I will love to try it if the problems of the previous GP5000 TL including sidewall thread coming off, harder to fit, worse grip, and suppleness compared to competitors have solved. I hope that GP5000 TL's low rolling resistance, high mileage, good protection continues on the new GP5000 S TR. Great to see decreased in weight to start with.
@@andrewbardwell4832 don’t get an ebike, ebikes make estrogen, road bikes make testosterone and HGH. Road bikes turn the clock backward. Just pedal harder, it never gets easier, you just go faster
You ll never see that because nothing claimed will happen in reality. If it was so all the watt savings I should have made so far would be 400 watts or so 😂
@@stephanschipper1144 their older paid promotions were about an actual cycling topic that simply used a product that was provided, not simply an advert for a product.
@@henkdevrjes9640 I was running Conti Ultra Sport with butyl tubes and my truly AWFUL Axis classic wheelset that came on my specialized. Seriously... I should have just changed my wheelset the instant I bought the bike. I have Vision team 35s on it now, and I'm ever so much happier.
@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 never had any issues with my Conti tires. I think I finally flatted once on my Ultra Sports this summer after about 2k miles on them.
Yes 100%. I used to run the gp4000's and would have a puncture every week or two... now gone 6 months with no punctures on the 5000's. Brilliant things
This is just way too much of a commercial for my taste. Didn't even want to finish watching, and what I had already heard I just could not take as real information.
Another infomercial ! To some extent , Its understandable and the nature of the behemoth that is GCN - that the slick presentations have to be paid for somehow, but versus non sponsored channels the sheer amount of this type of content means that compared to the early days of GCN and current, not so heavily sponsored cycling channels it is losing its appeal in terms of any honest appraisal of cycling products. The ‘how to’ / workshop guides are as ever, an excellent resource , but I feel the balance of the content is too heavily biased towards ‘paid content’, which makes the product features feel somewhat disingenuous.
Got 5000 TL as a road set for my gravel bike. They are super fast, but an absolute pain to mount. I was able to mount one with a friend. Another one I gave up and took it to a bike shop. Never seen entire staff sweat so much. Even with a special tool, it took a good 20 minutes to mount on carbon rim. That's just 1 tire.
… the easier to fit part was the only bit most people are interested in. Nice to see Continental admit that their current 5000TLs are an utter pain in the arse… I’ve been saying it for 2 years - there is always a steady stream of naysayers “fine we’re fine” despite them spending 3 hours fitting them…
You are 100% correct here. I was switching to the Specialized Turbo 2Bliss, but now I may give these a shot. I'll never buy another set of 5000 TL's. Waaay too much of a pain to install.
Are they really noticeably easier to put on? I've got a hole in the sidewall and am doubting to go to a GP5000 S TR or to look for something else. Regular and TL version were a PITA.
@@matiasa7301 - They are indeed. The new TR’s are also much better. I caved and got the new ones and was happy to find they are indeed a great improvement.
I always rode Conti's, until I went tubeless. The GP5000 TL's where impossible to mount on my HUNT wheels. And from what i've read online, im not alone in my experience. Will these be easier to mount?
This one is easier since it has the technology same as the Pirelli, Shwalbe etc (hookless compatible). Should check “David Arthur - Just Ride Bikes” he made a video and mounted the tyres at the end of it
Apparently so - due to having no ridge to worry about. I succeeded in fitting some Schwalbe 35c Allround tyres to my Hunt 30 Allroad wheels only after ditching a pair of tyre bead jacks & using my hands! The secret is to smooth the tape into the well, keep the valve loose then rolling the tyre on with both palms - maybe not so easy with 25c tyres though! Some use tyre bead lube to get on that last length of bead. Refitting a tubeless tyre is certainly easier than fitting a new one the 1st time which is just as well if you need to fit an innertube on a ride.
Who cares! a gp 5000 has a rolling resistance of about 12 watts at 28km/h (18 mph) the new tyre has a 20% saving at 45 km/h at 18mph the difference would be 4%, saving of less than 0.6watts. Another completely unmeasurable saving for the post 2012 rider to buy for yet more money.
I was quite happy with the GP 4000. Reliable solid and not too pricey! Old school winter tyres. Still had the same black chilli compound. Can’t find them any more.
The GP4000 clinchers lasted me 1000 km longer than the GP5000 equivalent. Lightness, ⇣ rolling resistance & speed come at the expense of D U R A B I L I T Y. Few of us need to save seconds in amateur racing. Bring back the GP4000's
The old tyre could be used without sealant. The new one is 50g lighter but requires 50g of sealant. The new tyre uses the same Vectran layer but has more puncture protection. "9 out of 10 dentists recommend...................". All these manufacturers claims are meaningless without standard test methodology and independent lab testing.
I’ve never met anyone who runs the current GP5000 without sealant and the increased puncture resistance was explained in the video, there are three layers in the sidewall versus the previous 2
@@andrewbardwell4832- I don't know anyone running ANY tubeless tyre without sealant. I've has slow air loss but fixed by adding sealant that had run too low. The weirdest experience I've had with tubeless was constant air loss caused by the cavity under the spokes filling up with water & the tyre filled with sealant coral! Fixed by refitting rim tape after discarding the congealed sealant - yuck! Been fine since.
So, you said it was only" right to question continental" on their claims ? Why did you take absolute black and muckoff for their claims and swallow it with no questions????????GCN looks more like an advertisement more every day... Cycletips gets it right and says bs when they feel it........not here they dont .......
@@discbrakefan Covering racing or bike shows is one thing---exposing new tech with a payout loses all credibility. When a company wants $60 for 2 ounces of "the worlds fastest lube" then be the "experts" for the readers and dont bend over for a quid...
@@johnkasza2315 GCN clearly mark paid promotions. If you don’t like the way they present the products in these, don’t watch them. I only watch out of interest to see what the product is and what the claims are. Obviously a brand’s claims must be taken with a grain of salt, but that doesn’t mean they are always wrong. I think you’re very focussed on the wording in this clip and not seeing the bigger picture that this wasn’t a review, but a promotion.
My conti GP 5000s weigh 225g and I just need to add aerothan innertubes (41g). Just don‘t go tubeless with a road bike… too many downsides. Starting with the tire pressure (low = not helping with punctures) and ending at the higher weight.
Oh wow a tyre company actually recognises that 650b exists outside of mountain biking? I am legit surprised. I didn't realise that when I chose my correct size for me bike that my tyre choice would be basically zero. Now I have a great option!
GP5000 S TR - I found them not very reliable .... maybe mine bad luck? GP5000 (standard) worked for me for 2y. but with S TR (tubeless) i had problems in last 3 months, and i had to pump them up every day. maybe they are too thin ???
I'm a little skeptical here. Tires have come a long way, and improvements have been incremental at best. I don't believe the 20% reduction in rolling resistance under normal riding conditions. And the improved puncture resistance for a tire that 50g lighter is questionable. Is it better than the previous version? Probably yes. Would I buy it? Yes. I just don't believe in miracles.
Have you weighed the tyres yourselves, as 2 months ago I invested in a pair of GP5000 clinchers and I weighed them. They are 25mm tyres and they were 215g each, so at 250g that’s the opposite of a weight saving (unless hookless ready adds weight naturally in their design)
Clinchers are around 50g or more lighter than the equivalent TL tyres as they do not have the weight of the bead. In this ad they are comparing 2 version of the tubless tyres, the TL and the STR.
It will be interesting when the rolling resistance measurements come out from independent sources so we can see the real difference between this and the old gp5000.
I ride continental, but this whole video is ridiculous... and almost want to make me switch brand. CONTINENTAL please read the comments here! Your tires are good because they are reasonably lights, reasonably good at puncture resistance, reasonably good under the rain, and made in Germany. It is a no bullshit practical tire... don’t make it a bullshit one... I stop the video... useless
There’s nothing quite like that humming and vibration you get from a high quality high pressure road tire at speed…it usually emerges when you drift effortlessly into the zone One of those magical moments on the bike
Arrgh. I have relatively new GP5000TL's installed and a spare GP5000TL on the shelf. It'll be about 10k miles before they wear out and I can try the STR's.
good luck in getting 10k miles of use. Had the 28mm 5000TL throughout 2020 and got roughly 3500 miles before wear indicator disappeared and carcass started showing.
Okay, 1 question: do they actually fit on normal rims? I bought some of the old ones and they require so much effort to get on that there is no way to change one in the field. Are these better? Also, hookless rims are a stupid, stupid marketing gimmick.
They are such a pain to put on my Mavic cosmic that I switch to another brand of tire. I really love the performance of the 5000TL but it’s not worthy he frustration of trying tondit them on. Especially when I can get another brand on in about a minute.
@@richardperreault3313 I switched to Vittoria after 18 months of pain trying to get the 5000's on a Mavic rim. I'd need some convincing on the fit before switching back!!
I upgraded to gp5000 recently and the difference is massive. The grip is on a different level. That could just be due to age of the gp4000 tire though.
Is the general feel of these tires better when riding ?? I've just bought a basic bike - trek domane Al2. With basic stock tires. Will these tires feel better when riding compared to the stock factory ones??
Cannot agree with the math here. Previous Gp5000 rolling resistance is 10 Watt. 20% from it saves only 2 Watt. Let's say gp6000 will have again 25%, which sounds cool, but will again only mean 8*0,25 = 2 watt. Don't get me wrong, it's impressive and i'll take it, but that's a general problem with all the commercial these days from a new iPhone faster CPU to a mouthwash killing 98% of leftover germs.
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
What's the impact to a heavier (95Kg) rider? 72.5 psi seems awfully low. I run 84 psi on my front and 93 psi on my rear, and I currently use the GP5000 TLs and have them set up tubeless.
Why run hookless at max 73psi when rolling resistance at such pressures is way higher? I use regular GP5000s at around 100psi and I bet I am way faster (and they are lighter)
73 psi is a max tire pressure limit on hookless rims (regardless of manufacture), so from another hand tires manufactures are matching that max limit as well. What the point to run tire with more pressure that your rim support?
20% reduction based on their previous GP5000TL equals to not even 2 Watts saved. Switching from winter (4Season) to summer tires (GP5000) is about 40% but more importantly over 7 Watts saved (data from bicyclerollingresistance)!
I have a level of trust in Continental tires that can only come from almost 30 years of riding their products with a handful of punctures…5 or 6…most of which I only noticed when preparing to go out for a ride, which meant the failures were small slow leaks that allowed me to get home without noticing a significant loss in pressure …riding in Brooklyn isn’t as bad as Manhattan where you need to prioritize puncture resistance over all else, unless you’re riding strictly in Central Park….but you do need to be attentive to glass on recycling garbage pickup days…otherwise just potholes From the early 20mm Grand Sport, Grand Prix S, to the 4000 series and now I have a set of 5000’s to test this Spring
interesting how all the claims are about performance but none of them about grip or wear resistance. Are they good only on straights or this tyres can also turn?
Ive been using my gp 5000 TL for over a year and i notice the deference to my clincher and tubular wheelset 17 % lower rolling resistance on gp 5000 TL help me a lot saving my energy during riding...
I use the conti 5000s on my touring bike and the low rolling resistance makes a phenomenal difference, and these new ones are 20% better!!!! If all true that is staggering
The 25mm version of the STR model measures 24,9 mm on my rim ( inner width 18mm). The tube type GP 5000 (23mm) measures 24,6mm on the same rim. All STR tires are manufactured narrower than the previous models.
100% correct. I tried fitting the old 5000TL on Cosmics and Ksyriums. No chance. Tried everything- soapy water, warming the tyres in the oven, even tried a tyre jack. It was a no. Left me bleeding and frustrated. On Shimano WH-6800 wheels however- no problem at all.
I've put the 5000TL's on Reynolds Assaults' and Murcury S50's and I was able to wrestle them on(what a workout with some broken tire levers..) and then getting them to seat is another nightmare altogether....
@@ringolong122 maybe somewhere. I work at a shop on the east coast and we have been hearing about pre-orders shipping on the 17th. I have also heard of sponsored riders already with them out in the wild but I haven't seen em myself yet.
@@BadTanLines I purchased a set from Merlin Cycles from over in England on the 6th and they arrived yesterday on the 8th! Hopefully they will be local soon. I am in TN btw.
Competition grade tires cost that much, not only contis. Personally I ride grand prix tires without a number, this are training tires, but they are also made in Germany and they are 20 € per tire in EU
Fast tire, great in the dry on clean roads. Super sketchy in the wet and on dusted roads in the corners. They did seem to have good puncture resistance and lasted until they were worn out which was a first ever! However I'll stick to Vittoria, to unstable in dynamic conditions 👍
GP5000 I consider great performance training tires. Have them on older wheelset and turbo cottons on my higher end wheels. GP5000 are crazy durable and tough compared to real racing tires but gripper/faster than most training tires which makes them a dope middle ground choice for daily rides.
I look forward to these new GP5000’s! I use the TL’s right now on one bike and they are great! I also use Conti Tubulars on my other bike. Both types of tires have been fantastic! Thanks for the update.
What do you think of these new GP5000 S TR tyres?
I will love to try it if the problems of the previous GP5000 TL including sidewall thread coming off, harder to fit, worse grip, and suppleness compared to competitors have solved. I hope that GP5000 TL's low rolling resistance, high mileage, good protection continues on the new GP5000 S TR. Great to see decreased in weight to start with.
Max tyre pressure is too low for hookless rims
These must be named GP5000 EHL for "endlich hackenlos". And they finally weigh less than wired bead competitor tyres for half of Conti price!
@GCN Tech I would prefer a review over a lengthy ad written rather awkwardly by Continental themselves
@@tuckersbowtie GCN doesn't do reviews. How many times do we have to tell you? They're a paid ad channel. That's their thing
With these bold claims by tire manufacturers, we will soon have rolling assistance, not rolling resistance.
Two little hamsters running inside the tyres could work.
I would gladly sign up for rolling assistance!
@@andrewbardwell4832 get an e-bike😉
@@andrewbardwell4832 don’t get an ebike, ebikes make estrogen, road bikes make testosterone and HGH. Road bikes turn the clock backward. Just pedal harder, it never gets easier, you just go faster
Negative rolling resistance, those tires won't stop anymore.
The real question is when they will actually be available...Supply chains are a mess right now...
Faster than other stuff, since they're made in Europe
@@serdiezv- unless you live here in Blighty!
Ordered on the 6th and arrived today!
The real question is will we ever be able to get our hands on a set. Might become available but sell out extremely fast
Ordered a set from Germany
I would love to see a side by side comparison. Same bike, same wheels, same rider, same route, same wattage and have the real time data shown.
Too many variables involved in that. It should be tested on a rolling resistance rig.
would rather watch that than a blatant ad thats for sure
You ll never see that because nothing claimed will happen in reality. If it was so all the watt savings I should have made so far would be 400 watts or so 😂
It will happen. Not here most likely.
@@gillesaarts- preferably one that doesn't have smooth SS rollers!
‘Includes paid promotion’ ….. translated as “exclusively an advertisement for this product”.
what is the difference and who cares?
@@stephanschipper1144 their older paid promotions were about an actual cycling topic that simply used a product that was provided, not simply an advert for a product.
@@thebelly925 they also still have those paid promotions. But still, who cares? It is a nice and informative video
So we're off of Pirelli tires? Be that as it may, I love my GP5000 tires. Well worth the hype. Especially paired with latex tubes and decent wheels.
Yes i did the same upgrades simultaneously, the difference was night and day with my old entry level schwalbe tires paired with patches butyl inners
@@henkdevrjes9640 I was running Conti Ultra Sport with butyl tubes and my truly AWFUL Axis classic wheelset that came on my specialized. Seriously... I should have just changed my wheelset the instant I bought the bike. I have Vision team 35s on it now, and I'm ever so much happier.
Bontrager R3 tires with latex tubes if you want to enjoy riding and not worry about flatting.
@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 never had any issues with my Conti tires. I think I finally flatted once on my Ultra Sports this summer after about 2k miles on them.
Yes 100%. I used to run the gp4000's and would have a puncture every week or two... now gone 6 months with no punctures on the 5000's. Brilliant things
Can't GCN just do a product review without it sounding like an ad.
It is an add
This is literally a paid advertisement
It was presented as a "paid advertisement"
Lol
GCN doesn't do reviews. In fact, they have stated as much. Nowhere in these videos do they ever claim to be doing reviews.
This is just way too much of a commercial for my taste. Didn't even want to finish watching, and what I had already heard I just could not take as real information.
well at the start of the clip they did inform the viewers it includes paid ad so there u go😁
Continental do sponsor GCN so I’m not surprised and it did say that it was paid ad
Another infomercial ! To some extent , Its understandable and the nature of the behemoth that is GCN - that the slick presentations have to be paid for somehow, but versus non sponsored channels the sheer amount of this type of content means that compared to the early days of GCN and current, not so heavily sponsored cycling channels it is losing its appeal in terms of any honest appraisal of cycling products. The ‘how to’ / workshop guides are as ever, an excellent resource , but I feel the balance of the content is too heavily biased towards ‘paid content’, which makes the product features feel somewhat disingenuous.
well said
👆+1
GCN is 71% owned by the Discovery Channel. It surely doesn't need to publish so many infomercials.
Got 5000 TL as a road set for my gravel bike. They are super fast, but an absolute pain to mount. I was able to mount one with a friend. Another one I gave up and took it to a bike shop. Never seen entire staff sweat so much. Even with a special tool, it took a good 20 minutes to mount on carbon rim. That's just 1 tire.
I mount Pirellis in 2 minutes on a Zipp rim and with just two thumbs and no tools.
Gladly I still use alloy wheel, so I just use full force on it :lol
… the easier to fit part was the only bit most people are interested in. Nice to see Continental admit that their current 5000TLs are an utter pain in the arse… I’ve been saying it for 2 years - there is always a steady stream of naysayers “fine we’re fine” despite them spending 3 hours fitting them…
You are 100% correct here. I was switching to the Specialized Turbo 2Bliss, but now I may give these a shot. I'll never buy another set of 5000 TL's. Waaay too much of a pain to install.
Are they really noticeably easier to put on? I've got a hole in the sidewall and am doubting to go to a GP5000 S TR or to look for something else. Regular and TL version were a PITA.
@@f1fnatik are clinchers easier to install?
@@matiasa7301 - They are indeed. The new TR’s are also much better. I caved and got the new ones and was happy to find they are indeed a great improvement.
TBH, I take my bike to a mechanic for everything, and easier to set up is actually the only bit I'm not interested in
I always rode Conti's, until I went tubeless. The GP5000 TL's where impossible to mount on my HUNT wheels. And from what i've read online, im not alone in my experience. Will these be easier to mount?
This one is easier since it has the technology same as the Pirelli, Shwalbe etc (hookless compatible).
Should check “David Arthur - Just Ride Bikes” he made a video and mounted the tyres at the end of it
Yes, 5000tls were tricky to mount on bontrager aeolus wheels, impossible on my hunt limitless 48s - you were certainly not alone...
Apparently so - due to having no ridge to worry about. I succeeded in fitting some Schwalbe 35c Allround tyres to my Hunt 30 Allroad wheels only after ditching a pair of tyre bead jacks & using my hands! The secret is to smooth the tape into the well, keep the valve loose then rolling the tyre on with both palms - maybe not so easy with 25c tyres though! Some use tyre bead lube to get on that last length of bead. Refitting a tubeless tyre is certainly easier than fitting a new one the 1st time which is just as well if you need to fit an innertube on a ride.
Same here, 5000TL was just impossible to fit on Mavic Ust Wheels. Lets hope the new ones are way easier, I'd love to try them.
28's were certainly snug on my Zipp 303s's. Quite a battle to mount, but these puppies aren't slipping off!
Hookless is so unnecessary 🙄 Wish the hookless craze would go away.
lighter and cheaper to manufacture, as someone who runs 25mm tyres near 100psi when I can, the 73psi limit on hookless bothers me
Who cares! a gp 5000 has a rolling resistance of about 12 watts at 28km/h (18 mph) the new tyre has a 20% saving at 45 km/h at 18mph the difference would be 4%, saving of less than 0.6watts. Another completely unmeasurable saving for the post 2012 rider to buy for yet more money.
Been a massive pain fitting the current TL version. Nearly binned them!
i borke a carbon rim trying to fit them
I was quite happy with the GP 4000. Reliable solid and not too pricey! Old school winter tyres. Still had the same black chilli compound. Can’t find them any more.
The GP4000 clinchers lasted me 1000 km longer than the GP5000 equivalent. Lightness, ⇣ rolling resistance & speed come at the expense of D U R A B I L I T Y.
Few of us need to save seconds in amateur racing. Bring back the GP4000's
The old tyre could be used without sealant. The new one is 50g lighter but requires 50g of sealant. The new tyre uses the same Vectran layer but has more puncture protection. "9 out of 10 dentists recommend...................". All these manufacturers claims are meaningless without standard test methodology and independent lab testing.
I’ve never met anyone who runs the current GP5000 without sealant and the increased puncture resistance was explained in the video, there are three layers in the sidewall versus the previous 2
@@andrewbardwell4832- I don't know anyone running ANY tubeless tyre without sealant. I've has slow air loss but fixed by adding sealant that had run too low. The weirdest experience I've had with tubeless was constant air loss caused by the cavity under the spokes filling up with water & the tyre filled with sealant coral! Fixed by refitting rim tape after discarding the congealed sealant - yuck! Been fine since.
4:28 'S TR requires a tubeless sealant'.. . 5:00 Then goes on to say you should buy them even if you dont want tubeless. Doesnt make any sense.
Will stick to the gp5000 tube version with Tubolito, no problems since installing these two years ago
More puncture resistance? not according to the bicycle tyre rolling resistance web site.
So, you said it was only" right to question continental" on their claims ? Why did you take absolute black and muckoff for their claims and swallow it with no questions????????GCN looks more like an advertisement more every day... Cycletips gets it right and says bs when they feel it........not here they dont .......
GCN is essentially an advertising platform. They can’t make content for free.
Then why are you griping here? Go to their channel
@@discbrakefan Covering racing or bike shows is one thing---exposing new tech with a payout loses all credibility. When a company wants $60 for 2 ounces of "the worlds fastest lube" then be the "experts" for the readers and dont bend over for a quid...
It's about finding a business mdel for the network. Since you probably don't want to pay for the content, there need to be a lot of adds.
@@johnkasza2315 GCN clearly mark paid promotions. If you don’t like the way they present the products in these, don’t watch them. I only watch out of interest to see what the product is and what the claims are. Obviously a brand’s claims must be taken with a grain of salt, but that doesn’t mean they are always wrong.
I think you’re very focussed on the wording in this clip and not seeing the bigger picture that this wasn’t a review, but a promotion.
Good to hear they sorted the fit issue!
Absolute advert. Come on GCN.
More puncture protection? From what I’ve read in every article online the puncture protection has dropped a lot since the tire now is more for racing.
at 3:07 you can already see cracks in the tire sidewall - nice job continental
Great tyre shame it's available nowhere 😂
bit like shimano 12 speed I guess
My conti GP 5000s weigh 225g and I just need to add aerothan innertubes (41g). Just don‘t go tubeless with a road bike… too many downsides. Starting with the tire pressure (low = not helping with punctures) and ending at the higher weight.
Oh wow a tyre company actually recognises that 650b exists outside of mountain biking? I am legit surprised. I didn't realise that when I chose my correct size for me bike that my tyre choice would be basically zero. Now I have a great option!
they do gp5000 650b too older gp5000
GP5000 S TR - I found them not very reliable .... maybe mine bad luck? GP5000 (standard) worked for me for 2y. but with S TR (tubeless) i had problems in last 3 months, and i had to pump them up every day.
maybe they are too thin ???
I'm a little skeptical here. Tires have come a long way, and improvements have been incremental at best. I don't believe the 20% reduction in rolling resistance under normal riding conditions. And the improved puncture resistance for a tire that 50g lighter is questionable. Is it better than the previous version? Probably yes. Would I buy it? Yes. I just don't believe in miracles.
It just means 2 watts. You can get that by not using a bike computer.
@@BFinesilver2 or lowering the handlebar 0.2 mm
Have you weighed the tyres yourselves, as 2 months ago I invested in a pair of GP5000 clinchers and I weighed them. They are 25mm tyres and they were 215g each, so at 250g that’s the opposite of a weight saving (unless hookless ready adds weight naturally in their design)
Weighed mine and both came in at 248 grams.
Clinchers are around 50g or more lighter than the equivalent TL tyres as they do not have the weight of the bead. In this ad they are comparing 2 version of the tubless tyres, the TL and the STR.
Mounted these on my hunt aero 50 carbon wheels, very easy to do, seated easily with a track pump 👍🏼
It will be interesting when the rolling resistance measurements come out from independent sources so we can see the real difference between this and the old gp5000.
I'll just stick with the GCN review thanks. They tell me what I want to hear. :)
I think one the main improvements is being easier to fit…the old GP5000 was so shit!
GP5000 black/black 25mm 225g. GP5000 S TR black 25mm 250g. Thats 25g more, not 50g less.
The 225g is for the clincher tyre. The tubeless ready GP5000 TL comes in at 300g at the moment.
@@mario81456 ah ok! Thank you. Now i understand..
I ride continental, but this whole video is ridiculous... and almost want to make me switch brand. CONTINENTAL please read the comments here! Your tires are good because they are reasonably lights, reasonably good at puncture resistance, reasonably good under the rain, and made in Germany. It is a no bullshit practical tire... don’t make it a bullshit one... I stop the video... useless
You forgot to add rolling resistance results from independent lab
There’s nothing quite like that humming and vibration you get from a high quality high pressure road tire at speed…it usually emerges when you drift effortlessly into the zone
One of those magical moments on the bike
Seems hard to believe they compare to Continental Gator Hardshells toughness. Rolling resistance definitely.
They are disappointment as all the claims are not as strong as they are stated and some of them are the opposite...
for me the main complaint from the previous gp5000 was installation, i'm glad they fix that
Arrgh. I have relatively new GP5000TL's installed and a spare GP5000TL on the shelf. It'll be about 10k miles before they wear out and I can try the STR's.
good luck in getting 10k miles of use. Had the 28mm 5000TL throughout 2020 and got roughly 3500 miles before wear indicator disappeared and carcass started showing.
Okay, 1 question: do they actually fit on normal rims? I bought some of the old ones and they require so much effort to get on that there is no way to change one in the field. Are these better?
Also, hookless rims are a stupid, stupid marketing gimmick.
That comes down to tire and rim combo. I could fit the older 5000's (non-tl and tl versions) with my bare hands without any struggles.
@@makkomise me too. Same rims with the TL required special tools and massive force.
I can confirm that they are "easier to mount than the previous generation", but I still needed to use a bead jack to get them mounted.
Faster, lighter, more puncture resistant, and more difficult to fit onto the rim?
David Arthur did a review fitting them on a zip303s hookless.
Went on easy
@@jlwong92 Don't watch his channel anymore. Just a paid promoter with no truth or loyalty to the cycling community.
@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 I noticed that too and don’t like it as well. What are your recommendations for cycling channels?
I didn't have any issues mounting any of the Conti tires I've used
@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 oh how wrong you are and the irony of that post here
At over 100kgs 5bar is very much on the limit
Glad I’m not using hookless as I’m 108kg.
But do they have a 20% increase in price?
Hopefully not 😏😏👍
70 and something euros 😃 for 1
@@StanislavGrabchev Euros? We can’t buy from Europe due to Brexit, no bike shops will sell to us 😰😰.
Can’t find any stores in U.K. as yet.
@@bikepackingadventure7913 not true, loads of EU companies sell to the UK.
@@SecwetGwiwer I’ve tried many, they have a £100 limit or you get a warning that you are from GB and you can’t buy.
@@bikepackingadventure7913 lucky for you bikes have two wheels
Will it fit on my Mavic wheels though? Trying to fit the old 5000TL made my thumbs bleed.
If they're following ETRTO standards, I'm hopeful. That being said, I'm still preparing to lose skin if I replace my 5000 TLs with the new set.
Sit the tires in the sun for 10 minutes, that will help you get them on. Learned it from putting on my 23’s years ago, and made them easier to put on.
They are such a pain to put on my Mavic cosmic that I switch to another brand of tire. I really love the performance of the 5000TL but it’s not worthy he frustration of trying tondit them on. Especially when I can get another brand on in about a minute.
@@richardperreault3313 I switched to Vittoria after 18 months of pain trying to get the 5000's on a Mavic rim. I'd need some convincing on the fit before switching back!!
Agreed let’s see an unedited video of someone fitting the new GP5000 onto deep section Mavic rims 😀
I'm still on my GP 4000 II that seems to last forever.
I upgraded to gp5000 recently and the difference is massive. The grip is on a different level. That could just be due to age of the gp4000 tire though.
Ride more
Is the general feel of these tires better when riding ?? I've just bought a basic bike - trek domane Al2. With basic stock tires. Will these tires feel better when riding compared to the stock factory ones??
I guess we're not gonna do back to back runs and compare times anymore?
Cannot agree with the math here. Previous Gp5000 rolling resistance is 10 Watt. 20% from it saves only 2 Watt. Let's say gp6000 will have again 25%, which sounds cool, but will again only mean 8*0,25 = 2 watt. Don't get me wrong, it's impressive and i'll take it, but that's a general problem with all the commercial these days from a new iPhone faster CPU to a mouthwash killing 98% of leftover germs.
Is 10 W for one tire or two?
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
What's the impact to a heavier (95Kg) rider? 72.5 psi seems awfully low. I run 84 psi on my front and 93 psi on my rear, and I currently use the GP5000 TLs and have them set up tubeless.
Hookless Is cx or gravel tech only
I am 96kg , I have been using the 5000str with my hookless zipp running 60-65psi, I don’t find any issue, been riding it for over 2000km
I am 96kg , I have been using the 5000str with my hookless zipp running 60-65psi, I don’t find any issue, been riding it for over 2000km
I'll stick to Pirelli. They are a dream to fit.
Pirelli is the best tyre i have ever used so far
Why run hookless at max 73psi when rolling resistance at such pressures is way higher? I use regular GP5000s at around 100psi and I bet I am way faster (and they are lighter)
You will be slower on every surface apart from a velodrome at those pressures.
@@gavinheaton6087 truth 💣 people are realizing this at a really slow pace
@@gavinheaton6087 I agree that too much pressure is detrimental, but 5bars on 25mm is far from the optimum on tarmac
73 psi is a max tire pressure limit on hookless rims (regardless of manufacture), so from another hand tires manufactures are matching that max limit as well. What the point to run tire with more pressure that your rim support?
@@swe223 Have you ridden 73 psi on 25mm tubeless wheels?
20% reduction based on their previous GP5000TL equals to not even 2 Watts saved. Switching from winter (4Season) to summer tires (GP5000) is about 40% but more importantly over 7 Watts saved (data from bicyclerollingresistance)!
Let’s read below how many times ‘actually’ is overused. It’s the new ‘literally’
One thing hadn't change over the time is people moaning for everything, even words... 😂
I literally can’t work out if I actually believe any of the claims made in this advert
I have a level of trust in Continental tires that can only come from almost 30 years of riding their products with a handful of punctures…5 or 6…most of which I only noticed when preparing to go out for a ride, which meant the failures were small slow leaks that allowed me to get home without noticing a significant loss in pressure …riding in Brooklyn isn’t as bad as Manhattan where you need to prioritize puncture resistance over all else, unless you’re riding strictly in Central Park….but you do need to be attentive to glass on recycling garbage pickup days…otherwise just potholes
From the early 20mm Grand Sport, Grand Prix S, to the 4000 series and now I have a set of 5000’s to test this Spring
Punctured second time out. Need something with stronger puncture protection for british roads....
Bet the GP 4000s are still better.
Infomercial... Just throwing marketing content. As GCN, you should be better than that and perform at least some basic tests and give little nuance
My actual 28mm extra resistant cheap tyre is 270g... the normal GP 5000 i also had is never ever +300g!! Total Marketing blabla?
Make 23mm ffs. They're the right size for 80% of people because they inflate to 26 and natch rim dimensions. Say no to ballooning tires.
I have ask local bike shop continental distributor..they say it's the same rolling resistance as the gp5000 TL.these bold claim aren't true
Or, one could go with the GP5000 clincher, run some manner of TPU tube, and save weight over going tubeless, with lower rolling resistance.
Come on guys…..pretty blatant advertising here. I know you disclose it but this one is totally devoid of objectivity
interesting how all the claims are about performance but none of them about grip or wear resistance. Are they good only on straights or this tyres can also turn?
Groupama-FDJ and movistar were dumping their bikes left and right at the Paris-Roubaix yesterday
Grip on Conti 5000's with black chilli is noticeably better than all the other tyres I've tried, and that's quite a lot of tyres over 30 years.
Same compound as on the other GP5000s, so would assume that hasn’t changed.
Stopped buying Continental tyres because they are made too small and difficult to mount.
Sadly i find that i'm watching less of what this channel puts out, because so much of it are commercials. Please make more real content.
Ive been using my gp 5000 TL for over a year and i notice the deference to my clincher and tubular wheelset 17 % lower rolling resistance on gp 5000 TL help me a lot saving my energy during riding...
Hola tengo una pregunta se puede usar las llantas con gancho y con camara?
really? rolling resistance lab proved the as 30% less puncture resistance.. tubulars, hold on…
Is it physically possible to replace a tube by the roadside without phoning a lumberjack for assistance? that's what counts in January.
I'll stick with my corsa's.
A lot of claims being made here. What exactly is the evidence to back them up?
I just got the Gp5000 S TR and now they have a newer version...
Can you use the Continental gp 5000 s tr Winther inner tubes
Got a puncture first ride out, but using Mucoff sealant it did seal quick.
My friend's STR got puncture on his 1st ride as well.
I have read the the 5000's are horrible compared to the 4000's, is this true?
Enjoy the Continental commercial. Vittoria’s coming soon.
Guys just remember, it's paid promotion. These specific tires are all over RUclips bicycle 'influencers' these days.
GCN don't do reviews. it's all marketing bs.
I’m definitely getting this when the come available in my town, thank you for the awesome news
Too much glorified ads these days. Really GCN, you guys are slacking!
just bought 2 sets of the gp5000 for both my bikes lol
Happy to sing anyones song when you slip cash in my Pocket
show a video or how hard they are to mount on carbon rims
I weigh 83kg. 70psi ain't going to work.
Another Paid Promotion brought to you by GCN
I'm digging them 353NSW wheels Alex. You should do a quick video of mounting and pumping up the tyres on the 353NSW wheels.
I use the conti 5000s on my touring bike and the low rolling resistance makes a phenomenal difference, and these new ones are 20% better!!!! If all true that is staggering
20% less rolling resistance is 1.5-1.8 watts, so not much.
No 23mm ? my rims are narrow so 25mm will not help the aero benefit of my wheels.
The 25mm version of the STR model measures 24,9 mm on my rim ( inner width 18mm). The tube type GP 5000 (23mm) measures 24,6mm on the same rim.
All STR tires are manufactured narrower than the previous models.
Lest see ye do a series of tests putting these on different makes of wheels . Good luck with getting them on a set of Mavic UST
100% correct. I tried fitting the old 5000TL on Cosmics and Ksyriums. No chance. Tried everything- soapy water, warming the tyres in the oven, even tried a tyre jack. It was a no. Left me bleeding and frustrated. On Shimano WH-6800 wheels however- no problem at all.
I've put the 5000TL's on Reynolds Assaults' and Murcury S50's and I was able to wrestle them on(what a workout with some broken tire levers..) and then getting them to seat is another nightmare altogether....
Part of the sales pitch is they are easier to fit.
But WAIT! There's MORE!
I am betting that I won't see these in the flesh until Spring 2022.... sad times we're livin in.
They were actually available earlier this week, but now I think they are sold out. I feel lucky to have gotten a set.
@@ringolong122 maybe somewhere. I work at a shop on the east coast and we have been hearing about pre-orders shipping on the 17th. I have also heard of sponsored riders already with them out in the wild but I haven't seen em myself yet.
@@BadTanLines I purchased a set from Merlin Cycles from over in England on the 6th and they arrived yesterday on the 8th! Hopefully they will be local soon. I am in TN btw.
80€ for a single bike tire. Ok, if you have too much money.
Competition grade tires cost that much, not only contis.
Personally I ride grand prix tires without a number, this are training tires, but they are also made in Germany and they are 20 € per tire in EU
Fast tire, great in the dry on clean roads. Super sketchy in the wet and on dusted roads in the corners. They did seem to have good puncture resistance and lasted until they were worn out which was a first ever! However I'll stick to Vittoria, to unstable in dynamic conditions 👍
GP5000 I consider great performance training tires. Have them on older wheelset and turbo cottons on my higher end wheels. GP5000 are crazy durable and tough compared to real racing tires but gripper/faster than most training tires which makes them a dope middle ground choice for daily rides.
Did he say hookless compatible?
I look forward to these new GP5000’s! I use the TL’s right now on one bike and they are great! I also use Conti Tubulars on my other bike. Both types of tires have been fantastic! Thanks for the update.
Bit the old non TL GP5000 are lighter; why should I run these if I don’t want a tubeless setup?
These are tubeless tyres, you don't use these if you want tubes
They’re lighter until you put a tube in them. If you don’t want tubeless then you don’t need a tubeless tyre.