What do you think of Continental's new tyres? Also, since making this quick video I've had another go at inflating with a regular track pump and had more success than in the original video ruclips.net/video/PLUlXmd5vJA/видео.html
I love the new tubeless GP5000 tyres but.......fitted to my Wheel Tech carbon rims was an absolute nightmare of sore hands and eventually tyre levers. Tight, tight, tight! The good thing was they inflated first go with a track pump. Such a comfortable tyre in 28.
If it's half that easy to mount these new Conti's on my ENVE 5.6's I'll be over the moon. I broke multiple levers trying to mount the existing 5000TL's (which I literally had to cut off to remove, they were so tight).
I think half of the problem are the 303S wheels which in my case have been the worst wheels to mount a tubeless tire. Other wheels I have are DT Swiss and almost any road tubeless tire can be mounted with regular track pump.
never had a problem inflating tubeless with a standard track pump. The problematic area is where the tubeless valve sits in the centre well blocking part of the tyre bead from going into the centre. What I do to prevent air leaking out whilst inflating is just squeeze the tyre bead around the tubeless valve and press down a bit on the tyre with one hand to maintain an airtight chamber whilst pumping with the other hand and it will inflate. Once the bead moves into place then pump with both hands. Works everytime for me with no need for manic, fast or vigerous pumping either.
Removing the valve core from my wheels enables me to inflate tubeless tyres with a standard floor pump. Perhaps a tip to share with those without a Lezyne air tank/air compressor. Thanks for the vid.
Dear Conti: just take my money already! I loved the old GP 5000 on my first entry-level alu Canyon bike. Looking forward to fitting these on my Zipp 303S and cruising around Lake Geneva on them. As the Swiss roads are generally extremely smooth, I expect them to be FAST!
I've really liked the GP5k in TL, and if they're easier to fit (which IMO fitting was one of the biggest drawbacks of the old GP5k) and are even more puncture resistant, then they're a year round winner! Nice to know they were used in PR as well; as this year would have been brutal on tyres... Great announcement 😀
Great stuff. Been using tubeless on my road bike for around 4years, originally Schwalbe and then onto the GP 5000. I have Reynolds rims, never had any issues mounting these tyres. Looking forward to the new tyres when these wear out. I also use Orange Seal Sealant - absolutely awesome! One thing David, when you tried using the track pump, you left the tyre on the ground which means the air was more likely to escape due to the tyre deformation. If you hook the tyre off the ground, you may have better luck.
Awww man, I am SOOOOO buying these as soon as they hit the shelves. The ones with transparent sidewall. Been on GP 5000 TL last two seasons and never a single problem. Ever.
Just bought these tires. Putting on some Reynolds AR 41x db wheels. 21mm internal rim width. My current Pirellei Pzero Race TLR 28mm were a breeze to install just the same. Thanks for the video. Hoping for the same results with the new Continentals in a 30mm size. I''ve heard a lot about how hard the tires can be to install, but my gut tells me that the previous versions legacy is just continuing on. With most manufacturers getting onboard with the new ETRTO I think there is now a standard that wheel and tire manufacturers have to aim for, which is good for everyone.
These new GP5000 tyres are MUCH easier to install as they comply with the latest ETRTO standards which the previous ones didn't so installation is a breeze
Seated a set earlier tonight on a set of DT Swiss r500 rims. Didn't have any issues. Pretty easy to get on with levers (save your hands and pry on bit by bit). Should seat with a track pump. Mine did and every tubeless set up ive had over the past 5 years has. Conti, Vittoria, Maxxis, all relatively easy to get on. Lovely ride quality.
Ive always used a Joe Blow track pump, Joe's rim tape, Rocket or DT valves, Joes sealant. Never had an issue on DT Swiss r500, E1800 and Mavic Open Pro rims. Pretty simple for me and never needed to waste my money on a compressor.
New tyres have already "won" high profile races. Conti GP will continue to dominate the market, head and shoulders above the competition. Demand for these will be through the roof.
I thought this video was fake by how easy you got the 2nd bead on, but tried putting it on the way you did and it was as easy as you showed it to be. Thanks for the vid!
I tried to fit the old ones and to say it was one of the most frustrating experiences you can have is an understatement. I had to resort to taking it to the local bike shop who had a equally frustrating time but got them on. I always take a tuibe out with me just in case but doubt if I would be able to get them back on in the event of a puncture. It seemed easy with the new ones. A big step forward by the looks of things
Second set of hands was the only way I got mine on. Skinned my knuckled in the process. My greatest anxiety after that was: how am I going to get a tube in them on the roadside if pumping air and hoping the liquid seals the puncture isn't enough?
They look good, for whatever that means. I like the aero chevron things. Im a bit of a pirelli fanboy though. Im not even in the tire market right now and keep looking up pirelli. I know they arent @ the top on rolling resistance, but im no racer. I just ordered a new BMC Roadmachine, my plan is to toss 40mm tires on it once i wear out the stock tires. Im coming from mountain biking and want to enjoy those stock road tires for every bit they are worth! Then i want to feel the difference of a 40mm pirelli gravel h. I just got word from my bike shop, the BMC might not be ready until February. Im keeping my fingers crossed and my hopes up that its not that long. I can wait a month or two, but 6 months has me looking @ the specialized Roubaix. Im seeking that road oriented bike capable of stretching its legs a little.
@@LTBlightthebeam Conti just launched the new tyres today so let's wait what would be giant's take for this one. I supposed because it's a hookless TL tyre it is ok to use in SLR1
@@LTBlightthebeam On Giant's page on hookless tyres, the following is mentioned: "Please note that if the maximum pressure indicated on the sidewall of a tire is below 72.5psi (5 bar), the tire is tubeless compatible, and is not indicated as being incompatible with hookless rims, it can be used with Giant hookless WheelSystems and does not have to appear on the chart below [...]" The max pressure with hookless rims for these new tyres is 73PSI (written on the sidewalls). So very very likely that they are compatible with SLR1 wheels.
@@Dee-Ell What does this mean for riders over 80kg? Giant recommend 86psi for me with 25c tire. Does that mean i need t o change to 28c (68psi) to comply with the max psi value?
Hi David, thank you for this. I've had a mixed experience with the GP5000TL for the last two years, no roadside road repairs needed but they're a nightmare on 3 sets of rims that I have, this frustration around fitting and removal has me running clinchers on my summer bike but I persevere with tubeless on the winter one for puncture protection. The GP5000TL lose about 10psi over a week so I check pressures before each ride. Can you report back on their pressure retention over the few weeks?
Thanks and will update on pressure retention and over aspects. I wasn't that impressed with the older tyres and leaned more towards the latest Pirelli, Goodyear, Michelin tyres precisely because they were so much easier to fit and look after
@@TheOkinawaBoy Goodyears have been the easiest to mount and inflate out of every tubeless tire that I’ve tried. They’re not the fastest or toughest but if you’re looking for easiest to setup, Goodyear is the way to go.
@@85mackey1 thank you for the tip, I’m looking for my first experience with tubeless. It must be easiest and most reliable to convince me convert to tubeless.
Great first look. I have similar issues as some have posted already here. A pain to install the 5000TL on my Scope R5D and I have to add a bit of air every two days, i.e. before each ride. Looking forward to your review after one week. Thanks.
Just mounted some GP 5000 TL’s, they were the hardest tires I’ve ever mounted, if I would have known of these 5000 S TL’s I would have waited, I hope I don’t have a flat on the road, tubings the 5000 TL’s would be extremely hard and time consuming
I have two scars on my knuckles from mounting GP5000 TL's. I almost went to a tire shop to get them mounted in their machine. Hardest tire I've ever mounted. Watching David mount the TR's so easily, and effortlessly makes me tremendously angry.
As far as looks go: it’s an improvement from the last version. The “5000” on the opposite side of the “continental” logo were not symmetrical and that really bugs me…
Hi David ! I'm glad the hookless compatibility issues are a thing of the past! I own a pair of those 303s wheels and i was disappointed to learn that continental tyres weren't compatible with them So yeah, that's great news. Cheers from a french subscriber👍
Im stoked and i dont even have a road bike yet! Im a bit new still. I just ordered a BMC roadmachine (the new model). Im still a ways out from setting it up with some nice rims. The bike is still up in the air, it might not be ready until February and im not waiting 6 months. A specialized Roubaix is my second choice. Either way im glad to see tubeless coming to road bikes. Ive been running my mtb tubeless for 2 years and love it. My front tire is still using the original orange sealant from 2 years ago and handling 4 foot drops on a ride no problem. Im riding 120+ miles a week on it. I have told myself its time to change it out. I literally just decided its tomorrows task, after my morning ride of course!
Just picked up a pair of these. I can’t even get the first bead on my DT 62mm by hand. I would suggest these are not compatible with the 62 MM DT carbon tubeless that came on my BMC. While I’m sure I would eventually get them on in my workshop, I seriously doubt I could install them with a tube on a cold day in the field.
I was able to seat mine with a Topeak Mini pump on a hooked carbon fibre rim. I don't know if it is my weight, as I am a gravitationally challenged individual, but the rear tyre suffers, almost, daily punctures and I am constantly reinflating it and my seat stay is covered in sealant. No issues at all with the front though.
They went on the rim very easily. Now break the bead with your fingers to get the tire off the rim, as you would with a flat on the side of the road. Schwalbe Pro-One on Hunt wheel and I needed a c-clamp to remove. I'm sticking with tubes for the road.
Super impressed with how easy those went on! I'm on my second set of gp5ktl and went to the shop the second time they were such a pain. I purchased Schwalbe Pro Ones as my next set but this video makes me want to stick with the Conti!
The biggest battle in my head when choosing my new wheelset was if I get the 303S, I will have to give up my Contis... I did it anyway because after seeing how many wheel manufacturere were looking into hookless wheels, it would only be a matter of time before Conti came round. And I got to try a couple of different brands in the meantime. Can't wait to get the new Contis on my 303S wheels!
My old Conti's won't fit on my aero wheels. It looks like a big improvement. I have a brand new pair of Conti's setting in storage,that I can't even use! I look forward to getting my hands on a pair.
This tire takes away the biggest drawbacks of the old 5000 TL: the huge weight and the high rolling resistance compared to latex inner tubes. I’ll give tubeless another try I guess. But I’ll carry two spare tubes with me just to be on the safe side.
About time, I nearly sold my 303 fire crests for lack of decent rubber. Hated the Pro Ones. The Eagle F1s I now have are absolutely brilliant to the point I probably wouldn't buy the new GP5000s when they are finished.
Wasn’t impressed with the GP 5000s puncture resistance and found that they wore extremely quickly with the laser etched grips splitting after a few months riding. Also had 2 nasty slide outs on fresh tyres last winter and have only just recovered. Can’t say for sure if it was the tyres but it all happened after I moved from GP4000 2s which I never had issues with. I’ve never raced but always trained like I did so still like to have fast rolling tyres on my bike, hoping I can run these with the benefits and less of the issues I had with the previous model.
You said the carcass of the tire feels thinner. Do you think the center of the tread (where it's actually contacting the road) is thinner? If they made it thinner (than the old one, which was 2.8mm), that wouldn't be a very good thing for longevity...
Thanks David! A question: did the beads stay locked in place when you delated to put in the sealant? I also have a set of 303S and one of my favorite tires, the Schwalbe Pro One Evo Addix, will come unseated when deflated, which is a bummer.
I have the same issue. I could not get them inflated on my Zipp 303s and they never "popped". When deflated they popped into the wheel well. Had to use a high pressure tank to get them inflated and then seated. What was your strategy?
@@riyadmobeen I feel your pain. I had the identical issue with the same set of Schwalbe Pro One Evo Addix (700x28). I have to use an AirShot cannister at its maximum 160 psi pressure to get the Schwalbe beads to seat (presta valve core removed), and after the beads were seated, I left the cannister attached and did not release the connection until after the tire sat around for at _least_ 15 minutes. Then I'd slowly release the remaining air pressure via the tank cannister relief valve and the beads would remain seated. It sounds ridiculous, but it's been the most consistent method for keeping the tires from deflating. Also, half the time, I had sealant in the tire prior to inflating to seat the beads, and zero sealant added the other times. Either way, the 15 minute wait under pressure seemed to have the most success. Good luck!
@@riyadmobeen I never had that issue - they would seat pretty easily, with the witness line visible all the way around, but they would unseat once the pressure got down to 5-10psi, which made checking/adding sealant (through the valve stem) a pain in the butt. Eventually, I got some MilKit valves so that I could keep ~20 psi in the tires, keeping them seated, while doing sealant maintenance, but those valves weren't completely trouble-free, either (more prone to gumming up, etc).
Great video, looking forward to these being available soon, about due to change my current GP5000TL so good timing. My only point would be I suspect you would have had a better chance of seating with the valve core out on the normal track pump though (has to come out anyway for sealant...), which allows the air in faster. I've only once in 5 years of using tubeless for MTB and road had to revert to my compressor.
GP5000 S TR - I found them not very reliable .... maybe mine bad luck? GP5000 (standard) worked for me for 2y. but with S TR (tubeless) i had problems in last 3 months, and i had to pump them up every day. maybe they are too thin ???
You didn't make sure the brand logo was centered with the valve stem. 😳How dare you! I have been using the "old" 28mm version for about two years now on my 50mm deep, 27mm wide Yoeleo wheels without any major problems. I'll be riding the 30mm version on my newly ordered bike soon. Can't wait!
After a season of tubeless, getting punctured several times and calling my wife to pick me up I gave up. I’m going back to tubes at least I can pop a new tube CO2 and ready to go. Maybe I’ll try again down the road but not for me.
I find them really good tyres and I ave clocked some good KMs on the TL but fitting them on Bora wto is a major struggle. It would be interesting to see how this new version would fit easily with this hoops. My new tyre now is the Maxxis high road TL, fits easily and beads soon.
Good video David. I have a set of 303 firecrest with Michelin's which are way better then the Pirelli's having ridden a set for a year, maybe when I need new skins I'll check out the Conti's. Also David glad to see the race winner riding tubeless.
Loving your channel as I get back into cycling after a few years away from the sport. I’m a tubeless noob, and wondering if you have a video that discusses the pros/cons of tubeless. I hear about tubeless having much better flat protection but the thought of repairing tubeless on the side of the road makes me pretty hesitant. Are they actually good enough that riders aren’t carrying tubes anymore?
Thanks! I need to work on a tubeless pros and cons video soon. I still carry two spare tubes with me as a matter of course but touch wood I've only had to put a tube in a failed tubeless tyre once in say 5 years of road tubeless and riding my bike every day
The tubeless thing keeps pulling at me, until I realise you still need to carry a spare inner tube as you would with clinchers. So I just run clinchers with quality Schwalbe butyl tubes, but I run 30ml of sealant inside them as well as insurance. This has saved me twice from having to stop and change a flat…
Hey, I noticed that the tire you are installing is perfectly round which is not usual when buying a tire. With all the folds, it is much harder to install the tire on the rim. Have you inflated the tire on a rim with a tube first to give it it's perfect shape ?
Continental Tubless road tires were unobtanium in the US since April -- I ordered a pair, they never arrived. after 4 months of postponements by the vendor, I contacted the US distributor who told me they had no idea when they would arrive in the US. Continental Germany did not respond to queries. At this point I'm not holding my breath. Has anybody in the US besides race-pool riders purchase these retail? Can anybody confirm that Conti has shipped thesee in quantity since August?
Hi David, thanks for another brill video. RE: this new 5000 TR, do you reckon it is an easier fit on Mavic USTs or a darn nightmare like their previous TL release? It was impossible to fit those.
Yes, I want to know that too! Neither I nor my shop were able to fit the GP5000 TL on my Mavic Ksyrium Elite UST wheels - just impossible! You'd think that with the new ETRTO standard for road tubeless which follows UST (according to Mavic, anyway) the S TR would be doing fine? Not trusting it until I see it on video though
Hi David, thank you for this video on the new GP5000, I have runt the previous version which was the TL, on a set of Campagnolo bora wto hoops but really find it challenging and difficult to put on, though I haven’t broken a tyre lever just yet and my experience level on putting tyres on are very good. Have you had any experience in putting the new version on a set of BOra wto? I would love to hear your experience or from anyone one in the comments. I have to give it to these tyres, they roll fantastic and have good life on threadwear. Cheers.
I haven't tried these on the Boras but other wheels I've tried them on they have been just fine - they're so much better than the original TLs which were a bleeding' nightmare on most wheels
Unfortunately leaking 5000S TR's here !! Installed 5000S TR's in 30c, put 50ml sealant, rotated it every hour for past 2 days every hour - it leaks all 60psi within an hour. Today added 40ml more and rotating it often - the tire leaks air like crazy through it's sidewalls rubber.....I am almost sure that it's faulty batch. Because as a bike mechanic I know that sealant always stops the leaks after day or two, but here it's a different case :/ I'll run tubes inside this tubeless arghhh, not many options left. ANYONE HAD SAME ISSUE?
Look nice; however, as a former regular user of Conti, they were always fast, but punctured regularly. I'm still not convinced, yet, even if they are tubeless. And I wish Conti would make a 'file tread type' road tyre.
I drive a wonderful tour, but 10 kilometers is forrest/stone road, so i drive Conti Prix 4season to be save ... is this new GP5000 S TR tubeless as save as the 4season?
Conti just dropped the 5000 AS. I've bought a pair already and love them. They're basically the new TL. Conti put that extra layer of protection under the thread again. The STR's are garbage. You can't ride 3km without puncturing.
Thanks David. In the video you mentioned you’ve included links in the description for the shops that sell the GP5000, but I can’t find anything. Do you have any idea how can we get our hands on a pair?
Is there a danger in them being so easy to fit on hookless rims? I thought in an emergency the tighter fit would help prevent the tire rolling off. My Enve hookless rims with Pirelli tlr race tires are not that easy to fit but not too terrible that I am frustrated. On a separate note is the 73psi max pressure for both hooked and hookless? On a hooked rim I run 72 on the rear tire with 28mm 5000 tl and I am not all that heavy.
73 psi is max for hookless, it's 93 psi for hooked - Even hooked rims have their limits but it's higher than hookless, but with wider tyres there's really no need to go that high. Provided rims and tyres are designed to the same standards there should be no concern on safety. The old idea of making a tyre tight on a rim was just a lazy workaround the lack of standards
Yes, very likely to work. From Giant's page: "Please note that if the maximum pressure indicated on the sidewall of a tire is below 72.5psi (5 bar), the tire is tubeless compatible, and is not indicated as being incompatible with hookless rims, it can be used with Giant hookless WheelSystems and does not have to appear on the chart below [...]" (Max pressure for these on hookless is 73PSI.)
Can you un bead these easily with you hands. I have another brand of wheel and tire that I cannot remove just using hands. I removed a piece of skin off my thumb trying!! Would be impossible to put tube in when on a ride.
You can't fit the old tyres to a hookless rim (I know some tried it) but Continental specifically advised against it. I had tried the previous tyres on many rims and there were mostly always a pain to fit. So on first impressions these are much easier to fit
@@amirulhidayatmd aha - for David Arthur, please can you try and compare fitting both tyres to the same wheel. I like the GP5000 but given how hard they are to fit I'm about to swap to Goodyear.
What do you think of Continental's new tyres? Also, since making this quick video I've had another go at inflating with a regular track pump and had more success than in the original video ruclips.net/video/PLUlXmd5vJA/видео.html
I love the new tubeless GP5000 tyres but.......fitted to my Wheel Tech carbon rims was an absolute nightmare of sore hands and eventually tyre levers. Tight, tight, tight! The good thing was they inflated first go with a track pump. Such a comfortable tyre in 28.
If it's half that easy to mount these new Conti's on my ENVE 5.6's I'll be over the moon. I broke multiple levers trying to mount the existing 5000TL's (which I literally had to cut off to remove, they were so tight).
Please test the sidewall protection. That was a huge problem with the old tyre.
I think half of the problem are the 303S wheels which in my case have been the worst wheels to mount a tubeless tire. Other wheels I have are DT Swiss and almost any road tubeless tire can be mounted with regular track pump.
@@raimo8882 I had issues mounting Schwalbe Pro Ones (I had to use a high pressure tank to get them to inflate) on the 303S and they still didn't "pop"
never had a problem inflating tubeless with a standard track pump. The problematic area is where the tubeless valve sits in the centre well blocking part of the tyre bead from going into the centre. What I do to prevent air leaking out whilst inflating is just squeeze the tyre bead around the tubeless valve and press down a bit on the tyre with one hand to maintain an airtight chamber whilst pumping with the other hand and it will inflate. Once the bead moves into place then pump with both hands. Works everytime for me with no need for manic, fast or vigerous pumping either.
I need a video of this as a tutorial!
I was able to do this with the older gp5000s tubeless but not this new model.
Removing the valve core from my wheels enables me to inflate tubeless tyres with a standard floor pump. Perhaps a tip to share with those without a Lezyne air tank/air compressor. Thanks for the vid.
Dear Conti: just take my money already!
I loved the old GP 5000 on my first entry-level alu Canyon bike. Looking forward to fitting these on my Zipp 303S and cruising around Lake Geneva on them. As the Swiss roads are generally extremely smooth, I expect them to be FAST!
Gotta to be better than the old. Fitting those was akin to self flagellation.
I sure hope so. It took me and two other people to get my 5000TL on 50mm rims.
@@EricWohnig tried to fit Conti 5000 with my Bontragers......I sold them......
A heat gun or hair dryer really helps
With a track pump it helps to lift one side onto the bead half way and turning it around and doing the other half to get a seal
I've really liked the GP5k in TL, and if they're easier to fit (which IMO fitting was one of the biggest drawbacks of the old GP5k) and are even more puncture resistant, then they're a year round winner! Nice to know they were used in PR as well; as this year would have been brutal on tyres... Great announcement 😀
I've been riding Contis since 1987. I do have Vitorria gum walls for my 1980s vintage, but for serious riding, I feel most confident with Conti tires.
That demo was very helpful - I'm skeptical of tubeless but watching you seat the tire with a canister pump gives me hope!
Glad it was helpful to you 👍
Thank you David, looking forward for your comments on it. Might give it a try after my Pirelli worn out in the near future.
Great stuff. Been using tubeless on my road bike for around 4years, originally Schwalbe and then onto the GP 5000. I have Reynolds rims, never had any issues mounting these tyres. Looking forward to the new tyres when these wear out. I also use Orange Seal Sealant - absolutely awesome! One thing David, when you tried using the track pump, you left the tyre on the ground which means the air was more likely to escape due to the tyre deformation. If you hook the tyre off the ground, you may have better luck.
Please test the sidewall protection. That was a huge problem with the old tyre.
I have had poor sidewall experiences with all the Conti tyres I’ve had
Awww man, I am SOOOOO buying these as soon as they hit the shelves. The ones with transparent sidewall.
Been on GP 5000 TL last two seasons and never a single problem. Ever.
Just bought these tires. Putting on some Reynolds AR 41x db wheels. 21mm internal rim width. My current Pirellei Pzero Race TLR 28mm were a breeze to install just the same. Thanks for the video. Hoping for the same results with the new Continentals in a 30mm size. I''ve heard a lot about how hard the tires can be to install, but my gut tells me that the previous versions legacy is just continuing on. With most manufacturers getting onboard with the new ETRTO I think there is now a standard that wheel and tire manufacturers have to aim for, which is good for everyone.
These new GP5000 tyres are MUCH easier to install as they comply with the latest ETRTO standards which the previous ones didn't so installation is a breeze
I'm really torn on this, I very recently moved to latex tubes on GP5000 clinchers and they're superb but part of me still wants to try tubeless.
Nah, don't waste your time. You've got the premium setup.
Same. Palpably faster from the get go. PRs all over the place.
Latex + gp5000 = FAST
i cant find your ride review of these that u mentioned would come in future vid?
The real challenge would be to fit them into Mavic UST!
Seated a set earlier tonight on a set of DT Swiss r500 rims. Didn't have any issues. Pretty easy to get on with levers (save your hands and pry on bit by bit). Should seat with a track pump. Mine did and every tubeless set up ive had over the past 5 years has. Conti, Vittoria, Maxxis, all relatively easy to get on. Lovely ride quality.
Ive always used a Joe Blow track pump, Joe's rim tape, Rocket or DT valves, Joes sealant. Never had an issue on DT Swiss r500, E1800 and Mavic Open Pro rims. Pretty simple for me and never needed to waste my money on a compressor.
If you are struggling that much, save your money on an inflator and put it to a compressor, where you can use it for multiple house hold tasks.
New tyres have already "won" high profile races. Conti GP will continue to dominate the market, head and shoulders above the competition. Demand for these will be through the roof.
I thought this video was fake by how easy you got the 2nd bead on, but tried putting it on the way you did and it was as easy as you showed it to be. Thanks for the vid!
I tried to fit the old ones and to say it was one of the most frustrating experiences you can have is an understatement. I had to resort to taking it to the local bike shop who had a equally frustrating time but got them on. I always take a tuibe out with me just in case but doubt if I would be able to get them back on in the event of a puncture. It seemed easy with the new ones. A big step forward by the looks of things
Second set of hands was the only way I got mine on. Skinned my knuckled in the process. My greatest anxiety after that was: how am I going to get a tube in them on the roadside if pumping air and hoping the liquid seals the puncture isn't enough?
If you let the tire sit in the sun it makes it easier to put on
They look good, for whatever that means. I like the aero chevron things. Im a bit of a pirelli fanboy though. Im not even in the tire market right now and keep looking up pirelli. I know they arent @ the top on rolling resistance, but im no racer.
I just ordered a new BMC Roadmachine, my plan is to toss 40mm tires on it once i wear out the stock tires. Im coming from mountain biking and want to enjoy those stock road tires for every bit they are worth! Then i want to feel the difference of a 40mm pirelli gravel h.
I just got word from my bike shop, the BMC might not be ready until February. Im keeping my fingers crossed and my hopes up that its not that long. I can wait a month or two, but 6 months has me looking @ the specialized Roubaix. Im seeking that road oriented bike capable of stretching its legs a little.
At last from conti Hookless compatible tyre for my SLR1 wheelset :)
Yes.. going buy these for my Propel..
Has Giant approved these for their hookless rims?
@@LTBlightthebeam Conti just launched the new tyres today so let's wait what would be giant's take for this one. I supposed because it's a hookless TL tyre it is ok to use in SLR1
@@LTBlightthebeam On Giant's page on hookless tyres, the following is mentioned:
"Please note that if the maximum pressure indicated on the sidewall of a tire is below 72.5psi (5 bar), the tire is tubeless compatible, and is not indicated as being incompatible with hookless rims, it can be used with Giant hookless WheelSystems and does not have to appear on the chart below [...]"
The max pressure with hookless rims for these new tyres is 73PSI (written on the sidewalls). So very very likely that they are compatible with SLR1 wheels.
@@Dee-Ell What does this mean for riders over 80kg? Giant recommend 86psi for me with 25c tire. Does that mean i need t o change to 28c (68psi) to comply with the max psi value?
Using GP5000 TL in 25mm right now and very happy with them, so I trust Continental's new tubeless tires will also be top notch.
Hi David, thank you for this. I've had a mixed experience with the GP5000TL for the last two years, no roadside road repairs needed but they're a nightmare on 3 sets of rims that I have, this frustration around fitting and removal has me running clinchers on my summer bike but I persevere with tubeless on the winter one for puncture protection. The GP5000TL lose about 10psi over a week so I check pressures before each ride.
Can you report back on their pressure retention over the few weeks?
Thanks and will update on pressure retention and over aspects. I wasn't that impressed with the older tyres and leaned more towards the latest Pirelli, Goodyear, Michelin tyres precisely because they were so much easier to fit and look after
@@davidarthur Which one do you recommend to begin with?
@@TheOkinawaBoy Goodyears have been the easiest to mount and inflate out of every tubeless tire that I’ve tried. They’re not the fastest or toughest but if you’re looking for easiest to setup, Goodyear is the way to go.
@@85mackey1 thank you for the tip, I’m looking for my first experience with tubeless. It must be easiest and most reliable to convince me convert to tubeless.
Great first look. I have similar issues as some have posted already here. A pain to install the 5000TL on my Scope R5D and I have to add a bit of air every two days, i.e. before each ride. Looking forward to your review after one week. Thanks.
Just mounted some GP 5000 TL’s, they were the hardest tires I’ve ever mounted, if I would have known of these 5000 S TL’s I would have waited, I hope I don’t have a flat on the road, tubings the 5000 TL’s would be extremely hard and time consuming
I have two scars on my knuckles from mounting GP5000 TL's. I almost went to a tire shop to get them mounted in their machine. Hardest tire I've ever mounted. Watching David mount the TR's so easily, and effortlessly makes me tremendously angry.
As far as looks go: it’s an improvement from the last version. The “5000” on the opposite side of the “continental” logo were not symmetrical and that really bugs me…
Such a stupid thing to get wrong really
You don’t see any of that when you are riding the bike….
I always remove valve core and track pump does a job.
That ease of installation alone is worth the upgrade. The only reason I don’t already use GP5000
Will stick to inner tubes for training- if it does deflate on a ride you are stuck with a standard pump - will just use them for racing
So excited for the technology behind these new tires.
Hi David ! I'm glad the hookless compatibility issues are a thing of the past! I own a pair of those 303s wheels and i was disappointed to learn that continental tyres weren't compatible with them So yeah, that's great news. Cheers from a french subscriber👍
I bet there are a number of us who are happy Conti now have a hookless set up, so 303 and SLR1 owners.
Im stoked and i dont even have a road bike yet! Im a bit new still. I just ordered a BMC roadmachine (the new model). Im still a ways out from setting it up with some nice rims. The bike is still up in the air, it might not be ready until February and im not waiting 6 months. A specialized Roubaix is my second choice.
Either way im glad to see tubeless coming to road bikes. Ive been running my mtb tubeless for 2 years and love it. My front tire is still using the original orange sealant from 2 years ago and handling 4 foot drops on a ride no problem. Im riding 120+ miles a week on it. I have told myself its time to change it out. I literally just decided its tomorrows task, after my morning ride of course!
Just picked up a pair of these. I can’t even get the first bead on my DT 62mm by hand. I would suggest these are not compatible with the 62 MM DT carbon tubeless that came on my BMC. While I’m sure I would eventually get them on in my workshop, I seriously doubt I could install them with a tube on a cold day in the field.
I was able to seat mine with a Topeak Mini pump on a hooked carbon fibre rim. I don't know if it is my weight, as I am a gravitationally challenged individual, but the rear tyre suffers, almost, daily punctures and I am constantly reinflating it and my seat stay is covered in sealant. No issues at all with the front though.
Just replaced my old Conti TLs with these new ones and was amazed how easy they went on
They went on the rim very easily. Now break the bead with your fingers to get the tire off the rim, as you would with a flat on the side of the road. Schwalbe Pro-One on Hunt wheel and I needed a c-clamp to remove. I'm sticking with tubes for the road.
Super impressed with how easy those went on! I'm on my second set of gp5ktl and went to the shop the second time they were such a pain. I purchased Schwalbe Pro Ones as my next set but this video makes me want to stick with the Conti!
Finally hookless compatible 🥳
The biggest battle in my head when choosing my new wheelset was if I get the 303S, I will have to give up my Contis... I did it anyway because after seeing how many wheel manufacturere were looking into hookless wheels, it would only be a matter of time before Conti came round. And I got to try a couple of different brands in the meantime. Can't wait to get the new Contis on my 303S wheels!
My old Conti's won't fit on my aero wheels. It looks like a big improvement. I have a brand new pair of Conti's setting in storage,that I can't even use! I look forward to getting my hands on a pair.
This tire takes away the biggest drawbacks of the old 5000 TL: the huge weight and the high rolling resistance compared to latex inner tubes. I’ll give tubeless another try I guess. But I’ll carry two spare tubes with me just to be on the safe side.
About time, I nearly sold my 303 fire crests for lack of decent rubber. Hated the Pro Ones. The Eagle F1s I now have are absolutely brilliant to the point I probably wouldn't buy the new GP5000s when they are finished.
Wasn’t impressed with the GP 5000s puncture resistance and found that they wore extremely quickly with the laser etched grips splitting after a few months riding. Also had 2 nasty slide outs on fresh tyres last winter and have only just recovered. Can’t say for sure if it was the tyres but it all happened after I moved from GP4000 2s which I never had issues with. I’ve never raced but always trained like I did so still like to have fast rolling tyres on my bike, hoping I can run these with the benefits and less of the issues I had with the previous model.
I got these old Continental 5000 tl.
They will fit without ! milk !
Pressure 8,5 Bar .
Regards from Germany.
David, please tell me these are now compatible with the hookless rims on the Giant TCR.
I have Enve 45s and would like to know same.
I would assume so as they were made for hookless rims. Enve will likely update their tire compatibility chart soon.
Will these work with mavic cosmic UST? Easier to fit than the older versions?
You said the carcass of the tire feels thinner. Do you think the center of the tread (where it's actually contacting the road) is thinner? If they made it thinner (than the old one, which was 2.8mm), that wouldn't be a very good thing for longevity...
Thanks David! A question: did the beads stay locked in place when you delated to put in the sealant? I also have a set of 303S and one of my favorite tires, the Schwalbe Pro One Evo Addix, will come unseated when deflated, which is a bummer.
I have the same issue. I could not get them inflated on my Zipp 303s and they never "popped". When deflated they popped into the wheel well. Had to use a high pressure tank to get them inflated and then seated. What was your strategy?
@@riyadmobeen I feel your pain. I had the identical issue with the same set of Schwalbe Pro One Evo Addix (700x28). I have to use an AirShot cannister at its maximum 160 psi pressure to get the Schwalbe beads to seat (presta valve core removed), and after the beads were seated, I left the cannister attached and did not release the connection until after the tire sat around for at _least_ 15 minutes. Then I'd slowly release the remaining air pressure via the tank cannister relief valve and the beads would remain seated. It sounds ridiculous, but it's been the most consistent method for keeping the tires from deflating. Also, half the time, I had sealant in the tire prior to inflating to seat the beads, and zero sealant added the other times. Either way, the 15 minute wait under pressure seemed to have the most success. Good luck!
@@riyadmobeen I never had that issue - they would seat pretty easily, with the witness line visible all the way around, but they would unseat once the pressure got down to 5-10psi, which made checking/adding sealant (through the valve stem) a pain in the butt. Eventually, I got some MilKit valves so that I could keep ~20 psi in the tires, keeping them seated, while doing sealant maintenance, but those valves weren't completely trouble-free, either (more prone to gumming up, etc).
Great video, looking forward to these being available soon, about due to change my current GP5000TL so good timing. My only point would be I suspect you would have had a better chance of seating with the valve core out on the normal track pump though (has to come out anyway for sealant...), which allows the air in faster. I've only once in 5 years of using tubeless for MTB and road had to revert to my compressor.
GP5000 S TR - I found them not very reliable .... maybe mine bad luck? GP5000 (standard) worked for me for 2y. but with S TR (tubeless) i had problems in last 3 months, and i had to pump them up every day.
maybe they are too thin ???
You didn't make sure the brand logo was centered with the valve stem. 😳How dare you! I have been using the "old" 28mm version for about two years now on my 50mm deep, 27mm wide Yoeleo wheels without any major problems. I'll be riding the 30mm version on my newly ordered bike soon. Can't wait!
I am curious will these fit the new giant slr 1 wheels
Me too. I reckon they should work just fine but would like to try them
@@davidarthur cant wait for your review of it. Love your vids!
After a season of tubeless, getting punctured several times and calling my wife to pick me up I gave up. I’m going back to tubes at least I can pop a new tube CO2 and ready to go. Maybe I’ll try again down the road but not for me.
I find them really good tyres and I ave clocked some good KMs on the TL but fitting them on Bora wto is a major struggle. It would be interesting to see how this new version would fit easily with this hoops. My new tyre now is the Maxxis high road TL, fits easily and beads soon.
How about non tubeless version?
Good video David. I have a set of 303 firecrest with Michelin's which are way better then the Pirelli's having ridden a set for a year, maybe when I need new skins I'll check out the Conti's. Also David glad to see the race winner riding tubeless.
Loving your channel as I get back into cycling after a few years away from the sport. I’m a tubeless noob, and wondering if you have a video that discusses the pros/cons of tubeless. I hear about tubeless having much better flat protection but the thought of repairing tubeless on the side of the road makes me pretty hesitant. Are they actually good enough that riders aren’t carrying tubes anymore?
Thanks! I need to work on a tubeless pros and cons video soon. I still carry two spare tubes with me as a matter of course but touch wood I've only had to put a tube in a failed tubeless tyre once in say 5 years of road tubeless and riding my bike every day
The tubeless thing keeps pulling at me, until I realise you still need to carry a spare inner tube as you would with clinchers.
So I just run clinchers with quality Schwalbe butyl tubes, but I run 30ml of sealant inside them as well as insurance. This has saved me twice from having to stop and change a flat…
Hey, I noticed that the tire you are installing is perfectly round which is not usual when buying a tire. With all the folds, it is much harder to install the tire on the rim. Have you inflated the tire on a rim with a tube first to give it it's perfect shape ?
Fitting any GP 5000 variant is a hassle in my experience, nice to see the improvements they made...
Hi David, do you think they will be compatible with the SLR1 wheels on my Giant tcr, my Gavia Course tyres will need changing soon! Thanks 😊
They should be because they're both designed to latest tubeless hookless standards, but I'll ask Giant for their thoughts on this
Thanks for that much appreciated 👍
David, did you ever publish a ride review video?
Nice video. I know what I want for Christmas. 👍🏻🇨🇦
Continental Tubless road tires were unobtanium in the US since April -- I ordered a pair, they never arrived. after 4 months of postponements by the vendor, I contacted the US distributor who told me they had no idea when they would arrive in the US. Continental Germany did not respond to queries. At this point I'm not holding my breath. Has anybody in the US besides race-pool riders purchase these retail? Can anybody confirm that Conti has shipped thesee in quantity since August?
Hi David, thanks for another brill video. RE: this new 5000 TR, do you reckon it is an easier fit on Mavic USTs or a darn nightmare like their previous TL release? It was impossible to fit those.
Yes, I want to know that too! Neither I nor my shop were able to fit the GP5000 TL on my Mavic Ksyrium Elite UST wheels - just impossible! You'd think that with the new ETRTO standard for road tubeless which follows UST (according to Mavic, anyway) the S TR would be doing fine? Not trusting it until I see it on video though
I'll see if I can get hold of some UST wheels to try
@@davidarthur Taa, David!
Hi David, thank you for this video on the new GP5000, I have runt the previous version which was the TL, on a set of Campagnolo bora wto hoops but really find it challenging and difficult to put on, though I haven’t broken a tyre lever just yet and my experience level on putting tyres on are very good. Have you had any experience in putting the new version on a set of BOra wto? I would love to hear your experience or from anyone one in the comments. I have to give it to these tyres, they roll fantastic and have good life on threadwear. Cheers.
I haven't tried these on the Boras but other wheels I've tried them on they have been just fine - they're so much better than the original TLs which were a bleeding' nightmare on most wheels
Unfortunately leaking 5000S TR's here !! Installed 5000S TR's in 30c, put 50ml sealant, rotated it every hour for past 2 days every hour - it leaks all 60psi within an hour. Today added 40ml more and rotating it often - the tire leaks air like crazy through it's sidewalls rubber.....I am almost sure that it's faulty batch. Because as a bike mechanic I know that sealant always stops the leaks after day or two, but here it's a different case :/ I'll run tubes inside this tubeless arghhh, not many options left. ANYONE HAD SAME ISSUE?
Look nice; however, as a former regular user of Conti, they were always fast, but punctured regularly. I'm still not convinced, yet, even if they are tubeless. And I wish Conti would make a 'file tread type' road tyre.
What are you using instead now?
Is it just my eyes or is the grip pattern asymmetrical, with the Right Hand Side being larger than the Left Hand Side?
I put these on my cadex 42 and they are a nightmare even with levers,,, so tight…. Yes they are a lot lighter , this means they wont last long
was fairly easy on my firecrest 303 hookless. but somehow the rear tire loosing pressure quite quickly (the front is fine?). any hints?
Do you seat them first then pull the valve core and add sealant then pump them up again?
Attention to detail with centering everything 'bar' the tire label and valve, ooooosh
I drive a wonderful tour, but 10 kilometers is forrest/stone road, so i drive Conti Prix 4season to be save ... is this new GP5000 S TR tubeless as save as the 4season?
Any idea when these will be available in the UK?
Noob question. Can I still use inner tubes on these and put it entry level wheels?
how does the tire feedback compare with the Schwalbe Pro One Addix?
Any feedback on fitting these on Bontrager Aeolus 5.0....on my Madone???
Great channel and content. About the conti, what is the measured width of the tyre?
Hi - where can we buy these? I haven’t found them in stock. Thanks
So I am debating between the clinchers and S TR. which one provides better puncture resistance? At the the sidewall and tread
They're about the same but tubeless with sealant is going to give you extra protection versus an inner tube
@@davidarthur thanks for your reply!
any recommendations for stem valves that don’t clog so easily?
I wished my GP5000 went on easily as your new ones!!!!.
If you can see how large they pump up vs advertised that would be great.
Conti just dropped the 5000 AS. I've bought a pair already and love them. They're basically the new TL. Conti put that extra layer of protection under the thread again. The STR's are garbage. You can't ride 3km without puncturing.
Are these available for sale in the US yet? Where?
Any chance you could link the store that has stock, you said in the video you'd leave it below?
Thanks David. In the video you mentioned you’ve included links in the description for the shops that sell the GP5000, but I can’t find anything. Do you have any idea how can we get our hands on a pair?
I couldn’t find any, it appears they aren’t available just yet but I will update as soon as they are
Sigma Sports have them now 🙂
@@floatingvoter8618 no they don’t! Just checked it.
Never had a problem with tubeless. Usually user error or not following instructions but it takes all sorts!
👆+1
Which online stores have these available? Does anyone know?
Does that combination only work with disc ?
Is there a danger in them being so easy to fit on hookless rims? I thought in an emergency the tighter fit would help prevent the tire rolling off. My Enve hookless rims with Pirelli tlr race tires are not that easy to fit but not too terrible that I am frustrated.
On a separate note is the 73psi max pressure for both hooked and hookless? On a hooked rim I run 72 on the rear tire with 28mm 5000 tl and I am not all that heavy.
73 psi is max for hookless, it's 93 psi for hooked - Even hooked rims have their limits but it's higher than hookless, but with wider tyres there's really no need to go that high. Provided rims and tyres are designed to the same standards there should be no concern on safety. The old idea of making a tyre tight on a rim was just a lazy workaround the lack of standards
Do you think these will work on the Giant branded hookless rims that come stock with the TCR range?
Yes, very likely to work. From Giant's page:
"Please note that if the maximum pressure indicated on the sidewall of a tire is below 72.5psi (5 bar), the tire is tubeless compatible, and is not indicated as being incompatible with hookless rims, it can be used with Giant hookless WheelSystems and does not have to appear on the chart below [...]"
(Max pressure for these on hookless is 73PSI.)
How hard are these to fit compared to the clincher version?
Gotta grab me a pair and review them.myself
Do you know when or where they are for sale. You mentioned about a link? That’s For the review👍🏻.
I can’t find them for sale yet but I’m told they will be very soon
Hi is the gp5000 s tr compaitble with the zipp 303s hookless
Can you run these on a Hooked rim while also being tubeless?
Can you un bead these easily with you hands. I have another brand of wheel and tire that I cannot remove just using hands. I removed a piece of skin off my thumb trying!! Would be impossible to put tube in when on a ride.
So how is the riding experience so far? Thx!
Keen to understand the difference between these and the old TL - did you try fitting the TL to the same wheels? Are these much easier?
the old GP5000 TL is not hookless compatible..zipp 303s rim is hookless type..
You can't fit the old tyres to a hookless rim (I know some tried it) but Continental specifically advised against it. I had tried the previous tyres on many rims and there were mostly always a pain to fit. So on first impressions these are much easier to fit
@@amirulhidayatmd aha - for David Arthur, please can you try and compare fitting both tyres to the same wheel. I like the GP5000 but given how hard they are to fit I'm about to swap to Goodyear.
I'm not sure how useful that really is because these new tyres replace the old TL tyres, and we all know how difficult those were on hooked rims