The Future of Head and Eye Tracking for MSFS? Tobii Eye Tracker 5 with a Real Airbus Pilot

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024

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  • @4prawns
    @4prawns 2 года назад +5

    The eye tracking will be really interesting to see in failures/emergencies - controlling attention is such an important skill - thanks, as always, for thinking of new ways to let us share and understand some bits of your brilliant job !

  • @adjuaadama6623
    @adjuaadama6623 2 года назад +3

    Just came in today! Works like a charm especially for visual flying, and I like that you can turn it off easily when you need the camera to be stable. It certainly makes appreciating the artistry of these software programmers a lot more as well; everything looks a lot more real and immersive. But this is a must for maneuvering, even for simple things like traffic pattern; eliminates the need for three monitors. AND, it also makes right seat flying a lot more plausible in light aircraft that don't employ duplicate instruments on the right side of the cockpit, i.e. 172's, Archers, light twin trainers like the Seminole, etc.

  • @jasonbirnie977
    @jasonbirnie977 2 года назад +4

    I’ve had the Tobii for a few months and I love it!

  • @VonSpud
    @VonSpud Год назад +1

    After watching a couple of Eyetracker reviews...this one included...I ordered one...3 hrs ago actually.
    Thanks.

  • @Jake320
    @Jake320 2 года назад +3

    I already found this super educational just seeing where you are looking during takeoff and landing. very excited to see how you use this in the future.

  • @BlarryOfficial
    @BlarryOfficial 2 года назад +3

    Been using the Tobii for a couple of months now, mostly out of lack of a proper VR system.
    The one use case I bought it for was to add a bit of head movement and perspective change, to simulate stereoscopic vision. For that purpose, the Tobii is brilliant! I've always found it difficult to judge distance, speed and position in three-dimensional space while looking at a flat computer monitor. Even subtle movements, like moving my head for an inch or so, gives me enough camera translation to trick my brain into 'seeing' three-dimensionally now, which I struggled with during approaches and landings, most of the time.
    However, after a couple of weeks, I started to deactivate the eye tracking right until final approach, where it really is a game changer. Because for the rest of the flight, when reading instruments, programming the MCDU or pushing knobs and buttons, that whole eye tracking thing is a massive pain in the arse. It really needs a button to just pause head tracking for a while, until you're done interacting with the cockpit. However, when flying GA aircraft or helicopters in VFR, I'm running it full-time activated. That's where it really shines.
    Big caveat, though: you still might want to have one hell of a computer setup running the sim. Your mileage may vary, but eye tracking in a 30 frames per second (or less) environment may cause migraines and nausea.

    • @arithex
      @arithex 2 года назад

      Is the eye-tracking done in hardware, or does it add load to the CPU?

    • @morganbisley886
      @morganbisley886 2 года назад

      Couldn’t agree more

    • @BlarryOfficial
      @BlarryOfficial 2 года назад

      @@arithex CPU load is negligible for me. Still, your mileage may vary.

  • @Juzzy007
    @Juzzy007 Год назад +1

    Returning from a work trip today, having bought the Tobii Eye Tracker 5, which is waiting for me at home. Can't wait to set it up and jump on the sim! Great video, mate.

  • @chrissugg968
    @chrissugg968 2 года назад +7

    The thing I'm really waiting for is natural hand tracking for VR. Being able to press buttons and turn knobs in VR without needing to wear a bulky controller on each hand is going to feel like magic.

    • @jojomojo3847
      @jojomojo3847 2 года назад

      like the openxr toolkit already makes im msfs with a cheap leap motion module or just the quest2 headset directly?

    • @chrissugg968
      @chrissugg968 2 года назад

      @@jojomojo3847 I've seen it working in DCS, but not MSFS. Has anyone got it working yet?

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 2 года назад

      @@jojomojo3847 imo the leap motion was always too limited... It could work if there was one leap motion for each section of panel - overhead, ip, pedestal etc

    • @_Dibbler_
      @_Dibbler_ 2 года назад +1

      PointCTRL might be interesting for you which puts tiny controlers in your hands.. Actually, I tried hand tracking in DCS and to be honest: I sucks - because if your cockpit at home isnt exactly like the cockpit of the plane you constantly hit things with you hand and cant reach a lot of buttons.

  • @madsib5187
    @madsib5187 Год назад +3

    I see so many RUclipsrs advertise it. And then never use it again. Why actually?

  • @ADPeguero
    @ADPeguero 2 года назад

    I've had mine for a couple of months. It works as expected but one does have to customize the axis settings and sensitivities. It also unlocks your Windows computer, at least Windows 11 one, since Windows kind of recognizes it as a camera. I like it.

  • @jay-rus4437
    @jay-rus4437 Год назад

    Ive found that it needs eye reset quite often. Most often flying the fenix a320, and the side to side movement seems to cause it to go out of center calibration.

  • @peterdr7193
    @peterdr7193 2 года назад

    Just ordered mine, I hope to receive it at the end of this week. It’ll be funny flying with the tracking on 3 x 24” screens.

  • @micheleb9018
    @micheleb9018 2 года назад +1

    Just ordered mine. Can't wait for this to enjoy DCS and the Fenix!!!!

    • @phase1NE
      @phase1NE 2 года назад +1

      It’s amazing for dcs, and the Fenix too. you’ll love it!

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад +1

      Enjoy!

    • @phase1NE
      @phase1NE 2 года назад

      @@320SimPilot I’ve had mine for about a month now. IMO it’s on another level compared to track IR. The next best thing if you don’t have VR.
      Even been using it playing F1 22, but with eye tracking only and it’s incredible!

  • @xcaptz
    @xcaptz 2 года назад +1

    Nice to see you captain 👨‍✈️

  • @vasily2022
    @vasily2022 2 года назад

    I bought the Tobii 4C in early 2018 for xplane11... only to find out xplane wasn't supported and still isn't. I guess I have to figure out where I put it with my move last month to msfs 2020. It worked surprisingly well on Arma 3 and my racing sims, but I changed main monitors so many times since 2018 and due to time I was only running xplane, that I never installed it on the last new monitors. I have had trackir 5 for longer than that, and it's great too, but tobii doesn't require you to wear a hat or a headset. A must have. The way it locked in exactly on what my eyes were locked on never ceased to make me smile.

    • @Aleksandar6ix
      @Aleksandar6ix 2 года назад

      Not on xplane, eh? Well that locks me out of that purchase! Maybe 12 will change that. I too have TrackIR that I never use

  • @lucasmedon2095
    @lucasmedon2095 2 года назад

    So gunna be difficult to reconnect. But for some people saying it doesn't zoom. It most definetly does. Like. You move your head forward and down and it zoom into the fmc

    • @sascenturion
      @sascenturion 2 года назад

      Hi Lucas ..
      Just wondering how yours is set to zoom? 😬
      I can't seem to get mine to zoom or get my head to go from side to side ..
      Cheers

  • @NickF14
    @NickF14 10 месяцев назад

    Would you be able to share your settings? I simpy cannot find a combination which is smooth. My landings and takeoffs are not smooth as I simply cannot glance down as it throws me all off the runway etc!

  • @SunSkipper360
    @SunSkipper360 2 года назад

    Yep! Love track!

  • @MrScott_e
    @MrScott_e Год назад

    Great video. You convinced me to order it, and yes, a 15% discount. Thank you!

  • @davemusselwhite4240
    @davemusselwhite4240 2 года назад +1

    Great video, I ordered a Tobii right after watching it. Do you have any information as to what your latest settings are when using with the Fenix A320. You mentioned in your “ill fated” livestream yesterday that you have tweaked them a little bit. Thanks, and keep up the great videos.

  • @patches8291
    @patches8291 2 года назад +2

    I tried to use this with my 55” tv and I just couldn’t get it to track like Track IR does

    • @BlarryOfficial
      @BlarryOfficial 2 года назад +1

      Tobii are quite vocal and explicit about the eye tracker working best with displays up to 27" or so in diagonal.

  • @Systemlord963
    @Systemlord963 2 года назад +4

    What do you think is better - this or TrackIR?

    • @webcodr
      @webcodr 2 года назад +1

      I'm a TrackIR user for years and tried the Tobii a few months ago. The tracking speed is a bit slower than TrackIR, but the tracking worked well. Unfortunately the mounting was a big problem. My monitor (LG) is controlled by a stick in the bottom center, exactly where the Tobii has to be mounted. Also the bottom of the monitor is not flat, so it was not possible to mount the Tobii properly. Since it's not possible to mount it on the top, I had to send it back. I really wish Tobii would offer other mounting solutions, since I really liked the head tracking without wearing a head piece.

  • @robinenbernhard
    @robinenbernhard Год назад

    I have to but then for ETS2 and feels super. Even some games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided it feels super even move camera litte.

  • @mrespresso9182
    @mrespresso9182 2 года назад +1

    Impressive! Would be fun to try calibrate it on your cat 😃.

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад

      I wonder where she looks! Mostly not at the screen I think!

  • @olebramsen9648
    @olebramsen9648 Год назад

    You Can have alle this with your iPhone camera and smooth track app… Costs 10 Euro :) works great.

  • @11clarkm
    @11clarkm 2 года назад

    That is next level!

  • @IBTypeR
    @IBTypeR 2 года назад

    I'm a casual simmer and have been using the head tracker 5 for about a year. Now it's supported in MSFS officially with 6 DOF it's pretty amazing. I don't want to keep adding intrusive peripherals to my set up so this solution is perfect. It'll take time to get the settings dialled in (i suppose it's the same for track IR), but when they are set right, it's a literal game changer.
    My only cons have been it disconnects A LOT sometimes crashing the sim and only a system reboot will get it going again (this only seems to happen in MSFS as it has NEVER done it with Star Citizen which is also natively supported). Tobii support is horrible. I've just spent 5 hours trying to get it working again after making the mistake of trying to update the software. And after running through everything on the troubleshooting pages, I got it working again ONLY by deleting the device in hardware manager and reconnecting it so it would automatically re-install the driver. This was a total hail mary as IT IS NOT LISTED ANYWHERE IN THE SUPPORT INFO AS AN OPTION TO RESTORE FUNCTION. slow clap Tobii.
    When it works it's amazing and 9 times out of 10 a quick reboot will get it working when it falls over, but remember you're rolling the dice on that one time it wont come back and you have to pour hours into figuring out what the problem is.

  • @Mr.Martini549
    @Mr.Martini549 2 года назад

    The biggest advantage of this eye tracker is being able to peer up to turn those pesky landing , taxi and strobe lights on and off. Always a bit cumbersome in the sim.

  • @phase1NE
    @phase1NE 2 года назад

    Any chance you could share your current Tobii settings for the Airbus that you've settled on now that you've spent some time fine tuning them?

  • @What_If_We_Tried
    @What_If_We_Tried Год назад +1

    Does this Tobii Eye tracker work with prescription lenses?

  • @snatr
    @snatr 2 года назад

    Cool. But expensive 😏
    Would be nice to be without a hat though (as is the case with Track IR). I was wondering how well it tracked the forward and back movements. I don't think you demoed that much 👍

  • @ricardograde5134
    @ricardograde5134 Год назад

    How will it work with a motion chair?

  • @Aleksandar6ix
    @Aleksandar6ix 2 года назад

    Two big questions.. Xcamera compatibility, and how does it handle head or monitor in different positions between flights. Eg, my monitor is not centered in front of me. I am hesitant because I have TrackIR but haven't used it in 5 years and only touched it a handful of times. This seems more convenient and precise.

  • @ITMann
    @ITMann 2 года назад

    Decided to purchase the Tobii EyeTracker 5 based on your well produced showcase of the device. Many thanks. To date still waiting on its arrival, been a week now. Very interesting technology. But there are a few questions that I have ?, do the sensors have an annoying flicker that’s noticeable ?, very difficult to make such a huge investment for it to just sit underneath my monitor and not use it because of a sensor flicker. I have watched many MSFS content creator videos showcasing this eye tracker but no one mentioned anything about flickering, hopefully it is indeed undetectable !. What are the best settings in the options in MSFS ?, will no doubt be different for each person I understand. Can I assign a function key to disable eye tracker ? also to reset it ? and can I zoom in and out ?. I am intrigued as to your settings, as you move around the cockpit seamlessly. Next, do I calibrate by removing my glasses first, ? or do a first calibration with them on ?. Apologies for so many questions. I know your time is valuable and I am aware you simply cannot answer everyone’s questions. Thank you for this insight to a truly innovative product.

  • @jimmy_roffa
    @jimmy_roffa 2 года назад +1

    Great video! How will it perform wearing glasses? 🤔

    • @SimDeck
      @SimDeck 2 года назад

      He says in the video that it works fine with glasses on. He has glasses on.

    • @jimmy_roffa
      @jimmy_roffa 2 года назад

      @@SimDeck thanks! Miss that one 🤓

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад +1

      It performs great! I wore them for this video.

  • @qfan8852
    @qfan8852 Год назад

    I used TrackIR5 for too many years. I just can't get used to Tobii. The tracking algorithm and behaviour have a lot of subtle differences that gave me airsickness when I tried to switch.

    • @mcwharam
      @mcwharam Год назад

      Same for me, really struggle with mine, clicking with the mouse is difficult, if you move your eyes slightly you then have to re-align the mouse again.

  • @jay-rus4437
    @jay-rus4437 Год назад

    A320 question. Why does the fenix a320 give me a very early warning that Im not in CLB Thrust? Ive barely taken off, verified positive climb, and as Im raising the gear it starts giving me an audible and visual warning. Is there a setting I might be missing that is causing this?

    • @timardaniel2304
      @timardaniel2304 11 месяцев назад

      Maybe your THR RED/ACC value on PERF/Take-off page left on default.
      Are you taking off with MAN/Flex? When you reach the pre-defined THR RED height, the A320 will require you to set the thrust to CLB detent where the A/THR start to operate.
      What's the message on the ECAM when you have this warning? It could help to determine your issue more precisely. :)

  • @leontgiscombe993
    @leontgiscombe993 2 года назад

    What is it like when looking up at the overhead panel?

  • @mikethompson2650
    @mikethompson2650 Год назад

    I am going to replace my old laptop in a few months with as powerful a desktop as I can afford, retired now so enough said there. I have looking a videos on the Tobii system before but I have a couple of questions. Is the game support part of the program or can it work with any game. I am thinking about the Reentry game which will allow me to fly the Mercury, Gemini or Apollo spacecraft. Can you use Tobii with any game or only for games the company has "drivers" for?

  • @loicrion2370
    @loicrion2370 Год назад

    Hi , do you know if it's compatible for the glider simulator condor2. thank you for your vidéos

  • @Lucca-An-Aspiring-Poet
    @Lucca-An-Aspiring-Poet 2 года назад

    Would you reccommend this for a hobby-simmer? I´ve got Honeycomb all set up, now want to move onto more gear -like a tracker- but don´t quite know whether it´s worth the hundreds or just luxury to flaunt. Any wise words? :P

  • @jmaviation01
    @jmaviation01 2 года назад

    Just a question, in the manual it says it only supports up to 30inch monitors. As you have a 32inch monitor have you had any issues with eye tracking or head movement?

  • @scodavis
    @scodavis 2 года назад

    I have a dumb question here - when you turn your head, the view changes, but your monitors obviously don't move around your desk. How do you avoid a situation where your head moves so much that you can't even look at the monitor anymore? (I hope this makes sense).

    • @afrendlysnek1728
      @afrendlysnek1728 2 года назад

      Generally on head tracking stuff (TrackIR, Tobii) head movement isn’t 1:1, you can adjust curves so that say you turn your head 30° left, in game it will go 120°, you can adjust the sensitivity with the respective software

  • @steveellis1001
    @steveellis1001 2 года назад

    just ordered this and didnt know about the import tax they want to charge me at £49.95 on top of it all...WOW

  • @RobertHopkinsArt
    @RobertHopkinsArt 2 года назад

    Question: Is the response time good enough that it can be used in racing sims (iRacing)? If it works great then there is no reason at all for me to use triples!

  • @udomonkos
    @udomonkos 2 года назад

    What is the size of your monitor? I have a 32" one, and I'm not sure if it's going to work or not

  • @dwporter345
    @dwporter345 2 года назад +1

    8.30. Are you an owl? How did you look back that quickly?

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад +1

      You could call it break neck speed!

  • @stefstaf
    @stefstaf 2 года назад +1

    Pls forgive my ignorance as I am a bit confused with the mechanics of this system.
    So if you turn your head to the right towards the F.O. (or even further back to the jump seat) the monitor shows the F.O. seat or the circuit breakers but how can you see the monitor when your head is looking away from it?

    • @nineteenzerothree9867
      @nineteenzerothree9867 2 года назад +2

      That’s the sensitivity settings. Small head movements are exaggerated in game, so you’re still look forward, just slightly to the left, but the camera is giving a view much further

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад +1

      Exactly as NineteenZeroThree says, you move your head a small amount and the camera moves more. You can adjust this as required until it feels natural!

    • @stefstaf
      @stefstaf 2 года назад +1

      Aha! So you keep your eyes fixed on the monitor and move your head slightly to change pov. Thank you both for your time to enlighten me.

    • @nineteenzerothree9867
      @nineteenzerothree9867 2 года назад +1

      @@stefstaf exactly that. It all feels really natural actually. Thought it would be awkward but it’s not.

    • @nineteenzerothree9867
      @nineteenzerothree9867 2 года назад

      @@stefstaf if you want to test out whether this is something you’d like… go give SmoothTrack a go

  • @Botzmanhh
    @Botzmanhh 2 года назад

    The 10% Discount isn´t working, when using the link! Is there any Coupon Code available, which i can use for checkout? Thanks

  • @davidbradbury1762
    @davidbradbury1762 2 года назад +4

    Interesting but a bit pricey, even with the discount. Sadly I'll be leaving on the shelf.

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад

      It is a bit of an investment indeed! Thanks for watching.

  • @trip5003
    @trip5003 2 года назад

    Totally getting this because the VR headsets make me puke lol ;-)

  • @erydias8709
    @erydias8709 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this video !
    I have been using the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 for some time in another sim game, but I find it quite difficult to use in Flight Simulator: even after completely disabling the eye tracking (Eye/Head tracking ratio set to 100% head), I find it hard to keep a steady cam so I can click around in the cockpit to interact with things. I always find myself disabling the eye tracker when I need to tune something.
    You did not really cover this aspects in your video, how did you manage to have a comfortable tracking while clicking around in the cockpit?

    • @sparklab_za
      @sparklab_za 2 года назад +1

      same experience as you.... they should implement a 'freeze headracking' option whenever mousing over cockpit buttons and/or hotspots. i just mapped enable/disable headtracking to a yoke button to toggle quickly.

  • @eltesso4910
    @eltesso4910 2 года назад

    is it compatible with FsRealisticPro?

  • @Unwired9374
    @Unwired9374 2 года назад

    I currently have a TrackIR 5. Would it be worth the upgrade?

    • @perpetualomega
      @perpetualomega 2 года назад

      I doubt it, i have the TrackIR and did not get the Tobii as i was told you cannot move forwards and backwards like you can with the TrackIR

  • @ct9037
    @ct9037 2 года назад +1

    Compatible with Xbox?

  • @chrissugg968
    @chrissugg968 2 года назад

    Does the eye-tracking work with Depth Of Field? DOF is kind of silly under normal simming conditions as it only focuses on what's right in the centre of the monitor. But if it centres on the eyepoint instead, it could actually work.

  • @captain-olaf
    @captain-olaf 2 года назад

    Is it functional with X-plane?

  • @Disobedient_One
    @Disobedient_One 2 года назад +1

    Does the company by any chance give you any kind of info on the privacy of the camera? Do they collect data for "further improvements?" Everything about tracking the iris comes off as a bit Orwellian to me. Who knows what they are doing with the data especially when data is the new oil to big tech.

  • @ArnoldAaron
    @ArnoldAaron 2 года назад +2

    While this looks interesting, believe me once you do MSFS in VR, you never go back! If you ain't tried VR you donno what you are missing!

  • @andybrockbank3027
    @andybrockbank3027 2 года назад

    made a comment last evening and it has been removed. Must have something to do with my disappointment that this doesn't appear to support ultrawide monitor setups. I thought it was reasonable to provide this information but I guess if it stops one more sale then it has to go.

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад +1

      Hi Andy your comment wasn’t removed, this is a re upload hence the comment has gone. I had to change a detail in the video!

    • @320SimPilot
      @320SimPilot  2 года назад

      Out of interest what doesn’t work with regards to ultra wide? You can calibrate how much head movement it translates into the simulator and the sensor sticks under the screen.

    • @andybrockbank3027
      @andybrockbank3027 2 года назад

      @@320SimPilot Sorry my mistake.

    • @andybrockbank3027
      @andybrockbank3027 2 года назад

      @@320SimPilot I guess my comment was based on looking at various other reviews where I saw comments to that effect. I have an Oddysey G9 which is a 49inch monitor. Certainly can't afford to take a punt given the price.

  • @ShqipeInfo-bc3ss
    @ShqipeInfo-bc3ss 11 месяцев назад

    I used tobii 5 for 2 years and i never understood, why it tracks the eyes too. The software is bad and you need third party plugins for some games. What i noticed, its slow tracking and the eye tracking is something dumb, i was going crazy in DCS for example, this is not usefull at all.

  • @danielhatami
    @danielhatami 2 года назад

    Can you move the viewpoint in and out and up and down? It’s seemed like you only moved the viewpoint from one fixed position.

  • @CameTo
    @CameTo 2 года назад +1

    Very nauseating to watch, it's like trying to watch someone fly VR as they mirror their view. I'm glad I got to see it though

  • @ZeroGaming-ds7mb
    @ZeroGaming-ds7mb 2 года назад +1

    0/10 for that tree at the threshold of that last landing.

  • @P4ULR4M
    @P4ULR4M 2 года назад

    I bought one and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Waste of time and money IMHO

  • @monostripezebras
    @monostripezebras 2 года назад

    the racing is sadly still full of exploits..