Our gun club was closed because the city claimed pollution into the inlet. Initially, they were trying to close the gun club because of noise infractions - that failed. So next the city claimed lead pollution, we lost the case. Anti gunners will attack us from ALL angles, never surrender.
Sounds like the Barnett range near Vancouver, they turned it into a dirt bike track for awhile after the range closed! So much for the pollution angle?
I am still waiting for the legal challenge to the H&S executive statement way back at the start of all this, when it was said, "There is no safe level for lead in the environment". In which case, before we all have to stop using lead shot, I demand that ALL lead down pipes, roofing and lead in stained glass windows , is removed within the exact same time frame as shooters are expected to stop using it! If historic buildings and churches have significant quantities of lead exposed to the effects of the environment, with rainwater run off entering our water courses, then surely it all has to go!? Once that little issue is sorted out, shooters might think about following suit. Until that time, crack on!
You forget that we already stopped laying leaded pipes, roofing and glass windows. And that's why it's a well-grounded request from us to also stop shooting leadshot. Your claim is also dangerously stupid because the equivalent of your demand, to remove all leaded pipes, roofing and windows, is that YOU remove all of the leadshot you dispersed into the environment till now. That fires back tremendously. We are better off by just quiting leadshot.
No discussion of cost compared to lead shot? Currently in the US, I can buy 25# bags of lead shot for $50-60 and less for reclaimed shot. How will Hortonium compare? Any ballistic gel tests for expansion with these new alloy bullets?
We've been testing it for two years at least. The tests are extensive and I wouldn't be doing it unless it was financially viable for the end shooter. NOTHING is as cheap as lead, maybe broken glass. You have to think of lead wasn't even available, what have you got to choose from and at what overall cost. Remember include possible damage to your gun etc.
@@HORTONGUNS I have bought mild steel #7 shot for around $10 per box of 25 shells. It is buffered with protective wad and has been safe to shoot through my old thin barrel 20 gauge doubles. Edit) Just checked my dealer's website for inflation, and they have Winchester 12 gauge, #7 mild steel with full protective wad for $119 per case of 10 boxes of 25 ea -250 rounds. Safe for old shotguns with fixed chokes.
@@delles1548 you can't compare most things to lead and as lead is the thing being phased out, it is immaterial. It will be more than steel but far superior in terms of performance. It kills clean and will not damage any gun. Steel by it's very nature will always risk your gun .
It's all very well trying to find these alternatives, but what is the point when they are made prohibitively expensive? If they can make them as cheap as lead they'll have my attention but until then I will continue to ignore it.
@@RichardEnglander Fine by me. As others have said, the supposed downsides of lead appear to be massively over-stated but if an alternative was produced that performed the same at a competitive price I think you'd be ignorant to not show some interest.
@@mg80888 I never once didn't agree with your main point. I was merely pointing out that it won't happen, they can't create new elements. Don't be weird.
@@RichardEnglander once we have patent protection you will understand the science behind Hortonium and why we can get very very close to how Lead behaves. We have to work in an order to get to market. A lot of people seem to think you can have an idea one day and it's on the market the next.
if he can do it why dont the lleeches in the cartridge industry come up with it,providing its cheaper than the other rubbish of course ,he woud still make a fortune if it performs..
We find most are complacent at best, some arrogant. One of them even told me HP Steel is a gun killer in any gun. I always wondered we've had to do this, yet I have. Production machine in the making now. Give them one last chance to come to the table and then off to the US we go. I'm running out of patience with them.... As if they don't know how to do a deal or business. Offering it to them on a plate.
I'm curious from a business perspective how you protect the alloy on the market beyond say a trademark. It's interesting that technology has advanced to the point of near instant metal composition readings with XRF guns and supporting data from observing melting point and hardness. I bring this up from the point of view of a machinist who has a knowledge of reverse engineering technologies and the observation that many steels on the market are chemically and mechanically near identical but marketed under different names. What if a competitor needs only to change the composition by a few percent or find an existing alloy of the same composition already on the market? Lead shot is abundant and cheap in the US, but I do look forward to a future where an affordable alternative exists. It will be interesting to see if large ammunition manufacturers can make a replacement at a competitive price point to compel a transition.
The pellets did not look round in the cartridge. The same as my 'pearl shot' made with tin melted on a deep multy dimpled aluminum plate-like little flying saucers. What price is it!!!? Though.
@@HORTONGUNS I am a wildfowler of some 55 years and have been loading steel shot since before the ban, using 12bore and a 8bore. I have had no problems with ducks on the marshes. Using 3's and 2's. Shooting just as many as I did with lead. BUT geese we found needed a good load of No2's over decoys and BB's-B's or A's for flighting.
All very interesting, but ignoring the economic side was a huge blunder. How much is Hortonium in bulk? It clearly must be more expensive than lead but by how much?
Given it won’t be going to manufacture until the patents are confirmed - which takes AGES - there won’t be a predicted price for ages and ages. Plus, if it’s commercially viable, I suspect he’ll licence it to the manufacturers themselves. You’ll have to wait for them to decide now much to charge.
The shot content only in a 30gram load should work out at 45p to 55p. The more we make the cheaper we can make it. Remember we aren't a cartridge manufacturer. I don't particularly want to be but if we have to, we'll do it. Unfortunately if it got to that stage with no deal, I'd take to US first. The economy and licensing here is ridiculous.
@@guy1234484not at all. We are lining patents up as we speak. We have been working on it for two years. I wouldn't have done that not knowing the costings. See other reply.
@@HORTONGUNS if you’re managing to produce that for around £150 per slab then that’s a great achievement and comparable with top end HP steel cartridges.
@@guy1234484 Lead is Naturally occurring in soil, there are Thousands if not more lead water pipes in the British Isles, so tell me how many people Have DIED
@@stevehorner9004 lead occurs as an ore in the ground, yes. So does uranium. So does anthrax, as a spore. You wouldn’t want to sprinkle either of those on your cornflakes. There’s no peer reviewed data that will allow anyone to tell you how many people have died as a result of eating lead shot game.
Just thought - if this contains copper? Did you know that it is POISONOUS TO MALLARD! This from studies in America the 70's when looking for non toxic alternatives.
So judging by the close up views of the shot shells, it looks like the shot is not very spherical. If that is the case, you would have trouble keeping a tight pattern and would have many flyers. If that can be fixed, and the price is comparable I don't see any problems moving to this material.
@@D_Boone I know shot is never perfect, but most of what can be seen in these shells looks very oblong or teardrop shaped. Most lead shot I have used in reloading (#6 and #7 1/2) is nearly perfect.
This has all been done multiple times before. The real issue that has to be solved is cost. Produce it cheaper than lead, and you really will become a millionaire.
Wrong way of looking at it. Lead is cheaper than water, NOTHING else apart from maybe broken glass competes. Imagine no lead shot/bullets available. Yes cost comes into it but what of performance... How it kills, how it is kinder to your gun etc etc
@shorton6969 And there is the reason why lead is still king in the face of several other replacements that are on the market. Until the prices are at least close, lead will be the primary option.
@@Mr16Bore Not really. Tungsten is much more rare than lead and harder to make into shot. Over the many years, I've used tungsten powder in various products, and the price has always been very high. TSS shot shells can run anywhere from $10-$15 per shell.
Tungsten is hard as anything. It's not cheap at all and really really hard so not great for your gun. Tungsten carbide tips on CNC cut through steel remember.
I'm always full of cynicism, but then again, in my life time nothing in our milieu has ever gotten better. This is a wonderful step in the right direction towards a cheap and effective lead replacement but I can't help worry it'll be bought out by one international mega-corporation or another and be made prohibitively expensive or unavailable to the general body of shooters. The whole driving force behind this lead ban (aside from the creation of even more office jobs for university leavers with nothing constructive to add to the nation than officiantcy) is to make shooting even further niche and out of the reach of every day folk. If the the real environmental hazards at the moment and in the near future is the monumental volumes of mercury being allowed to escape in to the atmosphere and watercourses in developing nations and the Nickel, Cadmium & Lithium contained in basically all modern technology from toasters to cars, phones to vapes, toxic metals being sent to landfill, burned or otherwise allowed to shed contained toxic elements in to the land and waterways.
Yes, again 100%. But this has never been about toxicity. It’s all about banning firearms from another angle, making it harder and harder to continue to enjoy our great sport, removing civilian held firearms so only the criminals have guns and allowing the university ‘educated?’ pillocks to make names for themselves.
I can see the basis in preventing ingestion by waterfowl and game in crop areas but a far as rifle rounds it's total hooey. Anti hunters here in the states push it saying it will protect Condors or predators that eat field dressings from taken large game.
@@billhuff131 Agreed mate. As far as I know, wildfoulling is effectively lead free already with local bylaws and syndicated grounds being steel/bismuth only. 👍
Alastair John ogle went to his gp surgery check up and we got onto lead free alternatives gp got up on the computer the perimotic table found all the powder and rods and shot all pH off zero. The gp rung a number off just cartridges I told them the name off the shot and bullets we can use
This channel won’t let this go, Same as Lead, 10% lighter, apart from being probably twice the price. Save our Lead. Would be nice if this channel would back real shooters. I shot with 60 shooters last weekend on a clay shoot, not one wants this.
Neither do I but writing is on the wall so I've come up with something that works better than anything else and spent two years doing it. You're welcome 👍
Really? I mean really? It goes bang - yes. It propels shot through the barrel - yes. After that the efficiency of steel, when compared to lead, well it cannot be compared. Did you ever study physics at school? 😂
This ammo is more aimed toward providing shot similar to lead, I think you are missing that point. You can’t fire steel through old side by side shotguns with fixed chokes tighter than 1/2
@@beeboop1726 Yes, and this will help those people with those guns. But I think most people use steel proof barrels and chokes nowadays. Hence, I did not miss the point I just think this will be a niche product, like tungsten etc
Thanks for this. We put our films into a weekly show called Fieldsports Britain, out on Wednesdays. Then we put them out as standalones a few days or weeks later. Sorry if it looks like we double post. We can't find a way around it on RUclips. / Charlie
So, Hortonium is an alloy but 10% lighter than lead. How about replacing that 10% weight difference with a further metal, something dense, you know, like lead for instance. As nobody has ever been proved to have died from lead ingestion, having a shot with a lead content of 10% that of pure lead, surely you would be 90% less likely to die from a lead ingestion rate of 0%. That makes it a probable death rate of MINUS 90%. With a figure like that it would practically be a “health food”. 🎉
@@jovi1078 112% of all the people I surveyed agreed with me. The only risk is what sits in front of the barrel on discharge. Still smart enough though to get an “academic”? to bite. 🥳 😜
@@Mr16Boreif you're such a believer, why don't you start eating with lead utensils? Lead cups, plates, forks, hell why not start eating lead? It can't possibly make you any MORE brain dead than you obviously already are...
Not about people dying because of lead poisoning 🤦🏼♂️ it causes congenital problems to humans and animals . gets in the water streams then it affects every living thing around who uses those water sources!! It’s time for people to stop being so self absorbed and work towards better solutions so we can keep enjoying our hunting ,shooting fishing in a responsible way for generations to come !!!
@@chriscox-q2w Wow! Another one who swallowed the narrative, hook line and sinker (lead of course). Please do research and come back to me with facts and statistics regarding the congenital problems. Proof please. Mixing in watercourses in a dangerous way. Proof please. Self absorbed and work towards better solutions. No solution required just keep on keeping on. The only solution to you would be a completely intolerable and inhumane way to me. Please consider this, others do have differing opinions to you. Yes, really. I know you cannot accept this but that is because you are woke. Time of course will tell so remember this conversation when you are 90 and either be smug because you were correct, or raise a glass to me and wish you had given me the time of day. I, of course will be long gone, but I will hear your answer. Guess you’ve been to “uni”, been indoctrinated and been set free in the world to educate old luddites like me. Thank you for your input. 😉
Thanks for this. We put our films into a weekly show called Fieldsports Britain, out on Wednesdays. Then we put them out as standalones a few days or weeks later. Sorry if it looks like we double post. We can't find a way around it on RUclips. / Charlie
Our gun club was closed because the city claimed pollution into the inlet. Initially, they were trying to close the gun club because of noise infractions - that failed. So next the city claimed lead pollution, we lost the case. Anti gunners will attack us from ALL angles, never surrender.
Sounds like the Barnett range near Vancouver, they turned it into a dirt bike track for awhile after the range closed! So much for the pollution angle?
@@waynemanning3262 Yup, that's the range!
I know one thing that it won't beat lead at... the price.
I am still waiting for the legal challenge to the H&S executive statement way back at the start of all this, when it was said,
"There is no safe level for lead in the environment". In which case, before we all have to stop using lead shot, I demand that ALL lead down pipes, roofing and lead in stained glass windows , is removed within the exact same time frame as shooters are expected to stop using it! If historic buildings and churches have significant quantities of lead exposed to the effects of the environment, with rainwater run off entering our water courses, then surely it all has to go!? Once that little issue is sorted out, shooters might think about following suit. Until that time, crack on!
You forget that we already stopped laying leaded pipes, roofing and glass windows. And that's why it's a well-grounded request from us to also stop shooting leadshot.
Your claim is also dangerously stupid because the equivalent of your demand, to remove all leaded pipes, roofing and windows, is that YOU remove all of the leadshot you dispersed into the environment till now.
That fires back tremendously.
We are better off by just quiting leadshot.
@@jovi1078 😊
No discussion of cost compared to lead shot? Currently in the US, I can buy 25# bags of lead shot for $50-60 and less for reclaimed shot. How will Hortonium compare?
Any ballistic gel tests for expansion with these new alloy bullets?
We've been testing it for two years at least. The tests are extensive and I wouldn't be doing it unless it was financially viable for the end shooter.
NOTHING is as cheap as lead, maybe broken glass. You have to think of lead wasn't even available, what have you got to choose from and at what overall cost. Remember include possible damage to your gun etc.
@@HORTONGUNS You avoided the question of costs. Please tell us what is the cost of a 25# bag as compared to lead?
I'm sure it will not be more than $300 for that amount of hortonium.
@@HORTONGUNS I have bought mild steel #7 shot for around $10 per box of 25 shells. It is buffered with protective wad and has been safe to shoot through my old thin barrel 20 gauge doubles.
Edit) Just checked my dealer's website for inflation, and they have Winchester 12 gauge, #7 mild steel with full protective wad for $119 per case of 10 boxes of 25 ea -250 rounds. Safe for old shotguns with fixed chokes.
@@delles1548 you can't compare most things to lead and as lead is the thing being phased out, it is immaterial. It will be more than steel but far superior in terms of performance. It kills clean and will not damage any gun. Steel by it's very nature will always risk your gun .
Will be interested on how it performs in expanding ammunition against quarry.
I suggest we substitute uranium for lead....
It's all very well trying to find these alternatives, but what is the point when they are made prohibitively expensive? If they can make them as cheap as lead they'll have my attention but until then I will continue to ignore it.
Yeah, but it won't happen because lead is abundant with a very low melting point and is easy to extract and process.
@@RichardEnglander Fine by me. As others have said, the supposed downsides of lead appear to be massively over-stated but if an alternative was produced that performed the same at a competitive price I think you'd be ignorant to not show some interest.
@@mg80888 I never once didn't agree with your main point.
I was merely pointing out that it won't happen, they can't create new elements.
Don't be weird.
The points are:
1) sorta gun control
2) making money
@@RichardEnglander once we have patent protection you will understand the science behind Hortonium and why we can get very very close to how Lead behaves. We have to work in an order to get to market. A lot of people seem to think you can have an idea one day and it's on the market the next.
if he can do it why dont the lleeches in the cartridge industry come up with it,providing its cheaper than the other rubbish of course ,he woud still make a fortune if it performs..
We find most are complacent at best, some arrogant. One of them even told me HP Steel is a gun killer in any gun. I always wondered we've had to do this, yet I have. Production machine in the making now. Give them one last chance to come to the table and then off to the US we go. I'm running out of patience with them.... As if they don't know how to do a deal or business. Offering it to them on a plate.
I'm curious from a business perspective how you protect the alloy on the market beyond say a trademark. It's interesting that technology has advanced to the point of near instant metal composition readings with XRF guns and supporting data from observing melting point and hardness. I bring this up from the point of view of a machinist who has a knowledge of reverse engineering technologies and the observation that many steels on the market are chemically and mechanically near identical but marketed under different names. What if a competitor needs only to change the composition by a few percent or find an existing alloy of the same composition already on the market?
Lead shot is abundant and cheap in the US, but I do look forward to a future where an affordable alternative exists. It will be interesting to see if large ammunition manufacturers can make a replacement at a competitive price point to compel a transition.
The pellets did not look round in the cartridge. The same as my 'pearl shot' made with tin melted on a deep multy dimpled aluminum plate-like little flying saucers. What price is it!!!? Though.
Prototype shot for tests. Production machine being built now
@@HORTONGUNS I am a wildfowler of some 55 years and have been loading steel shot since before the ban, using 12bore and a 8bore. I have had no problems with ducks on the marshes. Using 3's and 2's. Shooting just as many as I did with lead. BUT geese we found needed a good load of No2's over decoys and BB's-B's or A's for flighting.
Lead pellets were never round.
@@davidbilbrough3726 well done. Fact is steel is hard and can and does damage barrels. Hortonium, far less chance of that happening.
All very interesting, but ignoring the economic side was a huge blunder. How much is Hortonium in bulk? It clearly must be more expensive than lead but by how much?
Given it won’t be going to manufacture until the patents are confirmed - which takes AGES - there won’t be a predicted price for ages and ages. Plus, if it’s commercially viable, I suspect he’ll licence it to the manufacturers themselves. You’ll have to wait for them to decide now much to charge.
The shot content only in a 30gram load should work out at 45p to 55p. The more we make the cheaper we can make it. Remember we aren't a cartridge manufacturer. I don't particularly want to be but if we have to, we'll do it. Unfortunately if it got to that stage with no deal, I'd take to US first. The economy and licensing here is ridiculous.
@@guy1234484not at all. We are lining patents up as we speak. We have been working on it for two years. I wouldn't have done that not knowing the costings. See other reply.
@@HORTONGUNS if you’re managing to produce that for around £150 per slab then that’s a great achievement and comparable with top end HP steel cartridges.
@@HORTONGUNS we’ll welcome it in the US if pricing is competitive with Bismuth. Waterfowlers need nontox shot, and steel sucks
Please tell me how many people have died through lead poisoning after eating game which has been shot with lead
None
Do you think a substance is only toxic once it kills you?
@@guy1234484 Lead is Naturally occurring in soil, there are Thousands if not more lead water pipes in the British Isles, so tell me how many people Have DIED
@@stevehorner9004 lead occurs as an ore in the ground, yes. So does uranium. So does anthrax, as a spore. You wouldn’t want to sprinkle either of those on your cornflakes. There’s no peer reviewed data that will allow anyone to tell you how many people have died as a result of eating lead shot game.
@@guy1234484 What about a water report on Lead Pipes, Which have Been In Houses for ??????, Any Deaths ?
What’s the density?
This American got the "Only Fools and Horses" reference. 😉
The new shot should be a pH off zero and bullet chemistry
Just thought - if this contains copper? Did you know that it is POISONOUS TO MALLARD! This from studies in America the 70's when looking for non toxic alternatives.
No copper and we have another alloy that can also replace copper (also patent pending)
So judging by the close up views of the shot shells, it looks like the shot is not very spherical. If that is the case, you would have trouble keeping a tight pattern and would have many flyers. If that can be fixed, and the price is comparable I don't see any problems moving to this material.
That’s very common in lead and shot and other shells. It’s a shotgun.
@@D_Boone I know shot is never perfect, but most of what can be seen in these shells looks very oblong or teardrop shaped. Most lead shot I have used in reloading (#6 and #7 1/2) is nearly perfect.
seems a bit crazy we don't have lead free ammo, or maybe depleted uranium is seen as a viable solution.
This has all been done multiple times before. The real issue that has to be solved is cost. Produce it cheaper than lead, and you really will become a millionaire.
Wrong way of looking at it. Lead is cheaper than water, NOTHING else apart from maybe broken glass competes. Imagine no lead shot/bullets available. Yes cost comes into it but what of performance... How it kills, how it is kinder to your gun etc etc
@shorton6969 And there is the reason why lead is still king in the face of several other replacements that are on the market. Until the prices are at least close, lead will be the primary option.
What about TSS shot? Double the density of lead! If it’s not as good as lead or better it’s not what I want
TSS is horribly expensive. Anywheree from $10-$15 per shell. Depending on gauge and load.
If we all demanded and used TSS surely the price would come down in the economy of scale? I hope so, I’m all for it.👍
@@Mr16Bore Not really. Tungsten is much more rare than lead and harder to make into shot. Over the many years, I've used tungsten powder in various products, and the price has always been very high.
TSS shot shells can run anywhere from $10-$15 per shell.
Tungsten is hard as anything. It's not cheap at all and really really hard so not great for your gun. Tungsten carbide tips on CNC cut through steel remember.
TSS is hugely expensive the turkey loads here in the USA run about $12 a round
What about center fire bullets
Hope its less expensive than bismuth.
I'm always full of cynicism, but then again, in my life time nothing in our milieu has ever gotten better. This is a wonderful step in the right direction towards a cheap and effective lead replacement but I can't help worry it'll be bought out by one international mega-corporation or another and be made prohibitively expensive or unavailable to the general body of shooters.
The whole driving force behind this lead ban (aside from the creation of even more office jobs for university leavers with nothing constructive to add to the nation than officiantcy) is to make shooting even further niche and out of the reach of every day folk.
If the the real environmental hazards at the moment and in the near future is the monumental volumes of mercury being allowed to escape in to the atmosphere and watercourses in developing nations and the Nickel, Cadmium & Lithium contained in basically all modern technology from toasters to cars, phones to vapes, toxic metals being sent to landfill, burned or otherwise allowed to shed contained toxic elements in to the land and waterways.
100 percent and very well put 👍👍🍻
Yes, again 100%. But this has never been about toxicity. It’s all about banning firearms from another angle, making it harder and harder to continue to enjoy our great sport, removing civilian held firearms so only the criminals have guns and allowing the university ‘educated?’ pillocks to make names for themselves.
I can see the basis in preventing ingestion by waterfowl and game in crop areas but a far as rifle rounds it's total hooey. Anti hunters here in the states push it saying it will protect Condors or predators that eat field dressings from taken large game.
@@billhuff131 Agreed mate. As far as I know, wildfoulling is effectively lead free already with local bylaws and syndicated grounds being steel/bismuth only. 👍
@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 Thanks pal. 👍
The only possible way it will catch on is if it can be produced way cheaper than lead.
Or if lead is widely banned
@@D_Boone Yes, but I am mostly thinking about in the United States where an outright ban on lead bullets or shot is highly unlikely.
@@corwinmullins7463you have 7 states already with the ban and 10 more on consultation. So not that unlikely.
Maybe the secret recipe is lead and possibly some toad slime. How knows.
Alastair John ogle went to his gp surgery check up and we got onto lead free alternatives gp got up on the computer the perimotic table found all the powder and rods and shot all pH off zero. The gp rung a number off just cartridges I told them the name off the shot and bullets we can use
Uhhhh ok? Anyone else got a translation?
Interesting.
How much $$$
Fudds are out in full force in the comment section today
WONT HAPPEN
Well it is Mr Negative 😂
@@HORTONGUNS I hope your right ,,,,,Mr positive 👍🍻 Fair play all the best 💥
Hardly an invention, and it is actually not brand new. But anything to make it news worthy.
It's not an invention? Oh and it's not new? What you got then Mr?
Lighter than lead= not as good…
10% lighter and the shot looks horribly inconsistent in size and shape...no thanks
It's a prototype shot. Production.machine being made now.
@@HORTONGUNS I'll be intrigued to see the production quality then!
This channel won’t let this go, Same as Lead, 10% lighter, apart from being probably twice the price. Save our Lead. Would be nice if this channel would back real shooters. I shot with 60 shooters last weekend on a clay shoot, not one wants this.
Neither do I but writing is on the wall so I've come up with something that works better than anything else and spent two years doing it. You're welcome 👍
Two many
Keep it out of the US! I’m sure that would contaminate my lead casts. I pick up range scrap, and zinc is a problem
And only a £1 a bang 🤔
Nealy a year ago
So basically copper bullets but a little softer. Show me performance on game, accuracy, barrel fouling and cost.
Interesating stuff. But i´ve never had issues with quality steel ammo.
Really? I mean really? It goes bang - yes. It propels shot through the barrel - yes. After that the efficiency of steel, when compared to lead, well it cannot be compared. Did you ever study physics at school? 😂
@@Mr16Bore Bird doesn't care if it's shot with lead or steel. If pattern is good and shot fast enough it comes down just fine.
This ammo is more aimed toward providing shot similar to lead, I think you are missing that point. You can’t fire steel through old side by side shotguns with fixed chokes tighter than 1/2
@@beeboop1726 Yes, and this will help those people with those guns. But I think most people use steel proof barrels and chokes nowadays. Hence, I did not miss the point I just think this will be a niche product, like tungsten etc
Millions off people it's not good
Oh ya the brits are so smart they still bow down to a bloodline monarchy 😅😂
Yet another repeat.getting fed up.why nothing original
Thanks for this. We put our films into a weekly show called Fieldsports Britain, out on Wednesdays. Then we put them out as standalones a few days or weeks later. Sorry if it looks like we double post. We can't find a way around it on RUclips. / Charlie
So, Hortonium is an alloy but 10% lighter than lead. How about replacing that 10% weight difference with a further metal, something dense, you know, like lead for instance. As nobody has ever been proved to have died from lead ingestion, having a shot with a lead content of 10% that of pure lead, surely you would be 90% less likely to die from a lead ingestion rate of 0%. That makes it a probable death rate of MINUS 90%. With a figure like that it would practically be a “health food”. 🎉
You're not only bad at math, but also lack risk assessment abilities.
@@jovi1078 112% of all the people I surveyed agreed with me. The only risk is what sits in front of the barrel on discharge. Still smart enough though to get an “academic”? to bite. 🥳 😜
@@Mr16Boreif you're such a believer, why don't you start eating with lead utensils? Lead cups, plates, forks, hell why not start eating lead? It can't possibly make you any MORE brain dead than you obviously already are...
Not about people dying because of lead poisoning 🤦🏼♂️ it causes congenital problems to humans and animals . gets in the water streams then it affects every living thing around who uses those water sources!! It’s time for people to stop being so self absorbed and work towards better solutions so we can keep enjoying our hunting ,shooting fishing in a responsible way for generations to come !!!
@@chriscox-q2w Wow! Another one who swallowed the narrative, hook line and sinker (lead of course). Please do research and come back to me with facts and statistics regarding the congenital problems. Proof please. Mixing in watercourses in a dangerous way. Proof please. Self absorbed and work towards better solutions. No solution required just keep on keeping on. The only solution to you would be a completely intolerable and inhumane way to me. Please consider this, others do have differing opinions to you. Yes, really. I know you cannot accept this but that is because you are woke. Time of course will tell so remember this conversation when you are 90 and either be smug because you were correct, or raise a glass to me and wish you had given me the time of day. I, of course will be long gone, but I will hear your answer. Guess you’ve been to “uni”, been indoctrinated and been set free in the world to educate old luddites like me.
Thank you for your input. 😉
OK FINE, NOW WHAT'S THE PRICE?
Exactly!! If its cheaper than lead I am on board. If not, I will never touch it.
2nd posting, like dave channel
Thanks for this. We put our films into a weekly show called Fieldsports Britain, out on Wednesdays. Then we put them out as standalones a few days or weeks later. Sorry if it looks like we double post. We can't find a way around it on RUclips. / Charlie
@@fieldsportstv post everyday the channel is great and i for one have learned a lot from it, very informative with a good touch of banter thrown in.