This is from the Lord. Honestly, every time I see a video about the IJ I dread. I really do. As a lifelong SDA, I could never accept this ugly, misguided and ungodly doctrine. I’ve learned much from Dr. Ford talks in this subject, and now, Dr. Jennings took it to even deeper meaning. Thank you Doc... May the Almighty bless you more and more
This is sooo wonderful to hear another minister with this same concept of God. I pray for Dr. Jennings for proclaiming the third angels message. Awesome message I will share this presentation with others.
Just go back to the original sin. God said eat this and you will die. The serpent said eat this and you will be like gods. Who’s telling the truth? Of course God is on trial. If we believe God is good, we will obey Him. If we don’t trust Him, we won’t do as he says.
"Investigative judgement"and is biblical. Before Adam was sentenced (Genesis 3:15-19). there was first an investigation made. Genesis 3:8-14. The same investigation was done with Caine after killing Abel (Genesis 4:9-10) and the sentencing in Genesis 4:11-13. The same investigation is made in Genesis 11:5-6 and the sentencing in Genesis 11:7-8. The fourth "investigative judgement" conducted is at Sodom( Genesis 18:20-21,22) the evidence is found in Genesis 19:4-9 and the sentencing is Genesis 19:13,24. This investigative judgement is biblical. Seventh day adventist got it right and I support this teaching 100%
@david Tito, so you confirm then than SDA is wrong to claim that investigstive judgment started in 1844, because as you say, it was done in Genesis? Yeah, that's right. However, you are still wrong in your understanding,because what happened in all those circumstances that you site is Investigation of the crime and then Judgment. This is the normal judicial process. Yet is has nothing to do with SDA erroneous and non Biblical doctrine of IJ.
”Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.“ Romans 11:20-22 NIV
“But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.” Hebrews 9:11-12 NKJV
The translation into the term “most holy place” is a bad one. When you go directly to the Greek, the interpretation should ready “holy place.” The blue letter bible is an amazing app/ tool that can easily be down loaded to dig deeper into scripture. ❤️🙏🏻
In Greek it's used both ways! And even if it's used as holy place it does not change the meaning of the text! He entered once for all, at his ascension and not in 1844
@@kevinbooth6293 there is a definate distinction in Hebrews between the Holy Place (hagia) and the Most Holy Place (hagia hagion). In Hebrews 10:7 we read that the entire book is about Jesus…that is the entire OT. Jesus also said that all scripture testifies of Him in John 5:39. In Psalms 77:13 we read that God’s way is in the sanctuary. So when we go to the sanctuary in the OT, we see that Jesus was the perfect spotless lamb that was sacrificed in the courtyard. Did the sanctuary service end there (did it end at the cross)? No. Daily the priest went into the holy place with the blood of all those sacrifices, and tended to the bread, the incense and the lamps. One day a year was the day of atonement when the high priest alone went with blood into the most holy place to cleanse the sanctuary from all the sin that had been transferred there. Anyone in the camp that was not fully surrendered to God through deep repentance and faith was to be cut off. This pointed to the antitypical final judgement and cleansing of sin. Jesus, we are told in Hebrews is our high priest. We are told in Hebrews 8 that there is a literal heavenly sanctuary. We are told that the earthly sanctuary was a pattern of the heavenly. All of the OT services pointed to Jesus and his ministry to save. He entered into the holy place when he ascended into Heaven with his own blood just as the priests entered into the holy place on a daily basis. Jesus is the bread, He is the intercessor of incense mixing with our prayers, He is the light. Just as the high priest did not enter daily into the most holy place, but only entered in on the day of judgement, so jesus did not enter into the most holy place of heaven until 1844 at the end of the 2300 Day prophecy. Jesus is the only one we can trust to get us through. Praise the Lord, He is our advocate and judge and savior. How can we be lost when he is for us. Surrender all to Him ❤️🙏🏻
This is in line with Dr Des Ford (Adventist pastor) sees it, as do I. What an awesome responsibility for the remnant church to have. The exposing of the truth for the last days. Why did the SDA Scribes and Pharisees give so much pain to those that discovered this thinking. For a group that believes in the truth, when are they going to change the 28 fundamentals. I am thinking to resign from the corporation
That's accurate. Praise God in heaven for giving this message to a man who could get it out to the people. Thank you, thank you. There is tons in Mrs Whites writings about defilement and cleansing. Please consider for a moment Brother the amount of "rain" that fell on this earth at the end of the twenty three hundred years to "cleanse" us in the preachings and teachings of Miller, White, Bates and countless others.
Along with the amount of deception that came with the preaching of those you listed. SDA preach the wrong gospel. Read the Bible for yourself and you'll understand it. Listen to preachers like this one or rely on the writings of your "prophetess" and you'll remain in fog.
@@July-A7 Something great big happened in this country in the eighteen hundreds, look at your hymnal and ask yourself if you can trace all the little points of light that came to a head...
@@presenttruthmessages 19th century is all about the industrial revolution and liberation of sociery in many aspects as well transferring of slavery from typical form to a dependance of the workers from their exploitators . Cosmetic change of slavery. With all the perceived freedom came false preachers and religious revival . Nothing prophetic happened in 1844.
The top leaders in Catholicism agree with me by their statement that if you would be a Bible Christian, you would necessarily be Adventist. Anybody that gets to a point where they refuse light... They're done.
God's wisdom, His justice, and His goodness stand fully vindicated. It is seen that all His dealings in the great controversy have been conducted with respect to the eternal good of His people and the good of all the worlds that He has created. "All Thy works shall praise Thee, O Lord; and Thy saints shall bless Thee." Psalm 145:10. GC 670.3
No where in the scripture does it say that jesus entered the most holy place in 1844. Hebrews 9:12 says Christ entered ONCE English Standard Version he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. This should raise a red flag immediately for anyone listening to this. If something contradicts the bible then that should be a red flag
@@caleschnell SIR ENGLISH IS NOT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF THE BIBLE HEBREW AND GREEK IS. WHERE IS THE PRESENCE OF GOD ? I WILL ANSWER FOR U. UPON CHRIST ASCENSION HE WENT TO SIT AT GODS RIGHT HAND
@@charnelallan7159 Where He's cleansing sinfulness for the righteous living. I don't see why geographic location is this much of an issue for you to understand if you clearly see that the Day of Atonement has nothing to do with erasure of records of sins but it's the erasure of the sinfulness of God's people. Again, this penal-legal lie has many focused about the deeds, the acts, the records of the deeds or acts that have violated God's holy law and now they're a criminal awaiting a heavenly tribunal where they will receive their proper sentencing before they're justly punished and executed. This is the penal-legal deception that has intoxicated the world-it's led Seventh-day Adventists to continually focus on the Sabbath; what is the right way to keep the right day. Then, this bleeds into having disdain towards Sunday-keeping churches that may be stuck in concrete ways of thinking God's law as well or they may also misunderstand sound biblical eschatology the Seventh-day Adventist Church has taught. Again, this pointing the finger that has happened from both camps has caused distortion and confusion as to the purpose of the Decalogue. Many Adventists believe the purpose of this law is strict adherence to it much like the Pharisees of Christ's day. It is a shame that many Adventists are falling into the bear trap of Pharisaism as it pertains to the fourth commandment and they tie up heavy burdens on that day for their fellow parishioners to carry. The Decalogue was added to diagnosis that we have a condition that we of ourselves cannot remedy but it is by partaking of the life and righteousness of Christ we are set right and renewed. We get new motives, desires, heart, mind, and a new spirit-the Spirit of truth and love itself.
@@chronicledaily9440 I like the designer God he portrays,but now I no longer believe in the I.J especially as posed in Great Controversy p425-on. first the year day principal is incorrect and is never used in the bible for prophecy,and so many of the texts he uses are out of context for the I.J. I believe that believers are Judged at the cross,and will be saved based on what Jesus did there.1Cor 3; 10 believers work will be judged,and rewarded accordingly,but there salvation is sure.Non believers will be eternally judged at the same time.if you can show me I'm incorrect..please do.
@@kenchrispens4023 I used to believe that way too, but an honest reading of the bible cant lead you to any other fact, that Jesus died to redeem us from sin not in our sin. Obedience is very important. So far as to bring every thought into obedience
@@mangchahaokip6648 -- You are correct. We as Adventists have the choice of on the one hand accepting Scriptural and Ellen White's version of truths such as the atonement, punishment of sinners, and the final destruction of the wicked, or on the other hand the theories of Dr. Jennings. The two are in no way compatible. Only those who are not thoroughly versed in Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy can be so easily fooled by Jennings.
I'll be so glad when Jesus returns. Sadly that's partly because I'll be glad that no longer do we have to listen to our pastors talk in circles to the admiration of many and the disgust of others. Its easy to sympathize with how heaven felt when they rejoiced that the accuser of the brethren who accused them day and night was cast out by the blood of the Lamb and the power of His Christ. Its sad that we feel their pain and disgust. Its even more sad that this church persecutes the body and does not understand that when they do it to the least of these they do it to Him.
You and I know that the Investigative Judgment is not biblical. Can you explain where Adventist went south and what exactly happened to the reformation? I can.
@@presenttruthmessages The Adventists "went south" right from the get go. The early Adventists merely came up with this concept because they were looking in their eschatological rearview mirror and wondering what in the world happened with all their unequivocal calculations. *The investigative judgement is merely a fill-in-the-gap theory for people who could never admit to possibly being mistaken* . (This is a trait of all narcissists.) It must be exhausting for SDAs to constantly keep defending the doctrine of the Investigative Judgement year after year.
@hainisajoke870 I've read the Great Controversy three times. I am aware of its clams. I notice that you recommend a book *outside of the Bible* to support your claim that the investigative judgement is in the Bible. Sola Scriptura please.
I attend an Adventist Church, mostly out of convenience, but most of their doctrines are directly opposite to what the Bible teaches, including this nonsense of investigative judgement. I guard my heart and mind every time I enter one of those churches. The Bible clearly states that Jesus died once for all and is seated at the right hand of God making intercession for us. His intercessions empower us in obedience to the law of love. Thank God for his "Sunday Christians" or else all this time I would still be in deep bondage to the law, sin, my flesh and performance based Christianity, codependency, low self esteem, fear of man, and mental and emotional turmoil.
So if the judgement is really the cleansing of the mind of Satan's lies, how is this different from plain old Sanctification? and if it's not different why is there a specific date for it beginning? Also there would be no judgment of the dead since the mind of the dead cannot be changed. And what about the Sealing? What is that?
Good points. Mr Jennings started with how many have studied IJ and still don't understand. In 20 yrs Ive heard it explained many ways which adds to the confusion. Somebody wise once said, My yes is yes and no is no, easily understood and changes not. What makes sense to me is that the 2300 yrs is the end time, the 2300th day is the last day when the Ancient of Days sits and judgement is set, Jesus returns, the words of the little horn come into remembrance and the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire, the sanctuary is cleansed as the sins of the forgiven are transferred to the scapegoat(satan) and satan is bound for a 1000 yrs, the wicked living are taken from the mill and the well to the marriage supper where their flesh is eaten by the fowls, the righteous dead are raised, the righteous living, not to preceed them are lastly caught up from the mill and the well unto the Lord, the books are opened and the resurrected give an account of themselves to their Judge and Savior, but they already know what their judgement is because His reward was with Him when He was seen coming in the clouds because the judgement was set.
Sanctification is like prep, its like when u prep yourself for your marriage ceremony. The marriage itself is the consolidation of that prep and a lifelong (with God, an age long/or eternal) consolidation of that sanctification and all it entails
@@stewiefy IJ is contrived coverup for the YUGE October 22, 1844 fiasco. We got the date right, but the wrong event.🐂💩 Lies. Deliberate Lies. Your church is based on lies…. Do you prefer your oysters breaded or brined in vinegar?
The 144kth. Very good points. What I have seen is that Jennings is not teaching the fullness of the biblical understanding of the investigative judgement. Praying he comes to a fullness of the understanding of God’s truth….as we all need. 🙏🏻❤️
A question for any Adventist bold enough to think. According to the absurd doctrine of the investigative judgement, ones name can come up in review anytime. What happens to those whose names have already come up in review whilst they are yet alive? Is it possible for these to loose their salvation? If No, is this not some form of predestination? And if yes, then how reliable is this investigative judgement if does not render a definite, conclusive account of character?
When the judgement is set, Jesus is coming. All of the moving targets of 1844 are settled if we understand this. The IJ, the 10 virgins, the shut door...
Former adventists...seems like a critical and judgmental statement to make...as well as a blanket statement to categorize sdas as unable to have a spirit led discussion. Granted there are and have been those in the church who are probably unable to have a spirit led discussion...i am sure every denomination woul be similar. But to make a blanket statement like reveals that you have a harsh, judgmental and critical spirit. May the gospel of Gods grace touch your heart so that fruit of the spirit may be revealed in your comments.
SDA people are absolutely right to remember the sabbath day to keep it holy as it is scriptural and there is no scripture to support the sunday worship (worshipping on the first day of the week is a false doctrine)....now SDA please apply this method to the investigative judgment as there is no scripture to support this false doctrine. God is not looking at my blood when he's looking at my name in the book of life, hopefully for me he's looking at the blood of Jeshua. I will listen, believe and obey God and keep all his commandments until the end of my life...but my blood is marked from the beginning and neither the circumcision nor the baptism can purify it, we all have to face the death and be resurrected with a new body ..new soul..new blood and this miracle will only be possible because of the blood of Jeshua.
No it is not ....God doesn't need to investigate anything....He knew Adam and Eve did something that would lead them to death and they both deserved the death penalty...I deserve the death penalty because I did transgress the law of God so many times in my life and there is no investigation that could save me from the right sentence of God...it's not because the law of God is wrong that i'm going to die it's because the law of God is right, perfect and holy....the law of God only put to death humans that choose to reject it... Jesus never transgress any law or commandment and you would probably agree that he doesn't need to be investigated. What you don't understand about grace is that God doesn't look at my blood which is marked by so many transgressions, he's looking at the blood of Jesus which is spotless and doesn't need any investigation. By accepting the grace I make the decision to obey to the law of God and if I disobey tomorrow and repent I can ask God for forgiveness and will be saved only because of the blood of Jesus (a blood of obedience ...a blood that doesn't need any investigation)
Rev. 14:6 see's an angel having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth and to every kindred nation tongue and people saying with a loud voice fear God and give glory to Him for the hour of His judgement is come and worship Him that made heaven and earth and the sea and the fountains of waters. The gospel went forth to the gentiles at the end of the 490 yrs. Peter saw the vision that gentiles are no longer unclean. We have been in the judgement hour since this time, since the gospel went forth to all nations to worship God. the judgement that is come upon us is that satan is cast down knowing his time is short. satan is already judged, as for us, worship God for if any man shall worship the beast and his image and receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand, the same shall drink the wine of the wrath of God which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation. Dan. 8:19, "...I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation, for at the time appointed the end shall be." We are in the judgement hour but it started long before 1844. 1844 was at best a revival.
@@stewiefy 1844 was a result of the sin of trying to determine when the 2nd coming will be, bad math, and many lies and spreading disinformation to try their pompous butts and bloomers…
@@cindiloowhoo1166 Lol, okay, Cindiloo! So many Christians are so ignorant and have a legal relationship with Christ yet do we practice His methods or principles? Are we servants of His yet will we not abide by His word?
Could someone, since the ascension of Christ and be eternally secure before the IJ commensed in Oct 1844 without the IJ being performed by Jesus? (Jesus wasn't performing the IJ from the time of his ascension to Oct 21st 1844). Could a believer from 33 A.D. to 22nd Oct 1844 be delcared saved, reconciled and justified without the commencement of the IJ? Remember, 22nd Oct1844, is the date that jesus apparently BEGAN his searching scrutiny work of the IJ beginning with the old testament believers then moving onto the new testament believers and those who come after. Any takers?
@E, the theory of Investigative Judgment is a fallacy. It's not Biblical. It is heretical. It's a blasphemy. All people of all ages are saved in one way only. Through Jesus Christ. That's all there is. Don't believe for a moment what SDA claims with their theory. 1844 has no prophetic significance. Nothing happened in heaven then. Prior to Christ, people were being saved on the promise that He will come and die for our sins. This was signified by the animal sacrifices and sprinkling of blood on the veil. After Christ, people are saved because He died for our sins and went in the Father's presence in fulfilllent of the Old Testament sanctuary services at Yom Kippur.
at 23 minutes he says sarcastically - if you forget one sin you will be punished by God...this not what the SDA church teaches nor EGWhite. So again, he has problems in his own mind with law and grace
That's how a lot of people think about God's judgement, though. He's not saying that what Church or Ellen White teaches. According to Jesus we are not judged by what we do but by how judge others (Matt 7:2), our own sins are already forgiven thanks to Jesus. So the investigative judgement is not about God judging us, it's about us learning to stop mis-judging God (and one another).
@@HawkofMae ..........Hi Michael, thanks for saying hello. I think I have to disagree with you at least on one point. We are judged on what we do for what we do tells who we are.and shows our faith according to James 2: 9-20 And Matthew 25. 31-45 says you need good works to be saved because works show your faith and love to God and man.....Jesus said, by their fruits you shall know them..Our own sins are forgiven but God wants us to seek a sinless experience which means we cannot condone willful sin for Hebrews says if you sin willfully and perpetually without repentance and sorrow after you receive Christ there is no forgiveness for you..HEBREWS 10:26... Be careful you don't philosophize the truth of God away, or His commandments, or His judgements and final punishment.....I am not stressing perfectionsim for we are saved by grace and not works but as Paul said in Romans 3.31...do we then make void the law through faith...God forbid! We are justified by faith but sanctified by works of the law....but always and only saved by grace
@@HawkofMae Michael....I don't see the I.J. as a judgement upon us, but a judgment for us, a judgement that declares us righteous in Christ by faith....so there is confusion in some Adventist minds as to the function or purpose of the investigative judgment....the I. J. shuts the mouth of Satan, for though we are sinners, we are save-able via faith in the atonement and repentance towards God
I think we are in agreement. I never meant to suggest that sin is okay, or that good works and repentance are not important. But I believe that repentance and good works are the result of our salvation not the cause of it ("if you love me keep my commandments" - John 14:15, Jesus said, and we love him "because he first loved us" - 1 John 4:19). Atonement is about bringing us into a right relationship with God, and that happens by changing our attitudes towards Him not changing His attitude towards us. The atonement reveals that God already loves us with an everlasting love no matter what we do, our sins are already forgiven. We only need to accept that forgiveness, to stop being judgmental towards ourselves, others, and even God. Following God's Law shouldn't be about knowledge of good and evil (judgement), it should be all about expressing the love that we have received.
@@HawkofMae ...I do think we agree but I will add this - atonement happens by accepting Christ as my substitute...God started the process of reconciliation through the death of Christ...or I could say it's all a matter of semantics....I am not reconciled to God by changing my attitude towards Him, I am reconciled to God as He is reconciled to me and that is via the cross...the cross came first , again it's all semantics
I get the feeling this man is taking things to an extreme...the temple being cleansed is the heavenly temple, I agree that we as a people are also being cleansed but the context refers not to us
The saints will execute the fair judgment of God under the leadership of Christ during this thousand years. That day or hour is described as a time of heat and drought and great harvest. At the same time, it is a day for the wicked to be revealed, to be killed by the word of truth and destroyed by the brightness of that day. But the people of the holy ones will stand and endure. They will recognize this day and they will be purified like silver and tested like gold.
@aurelio milaor cabal I can't begin to explain how the Sabbathwas fulfilled in Christ. Everything and I mean everything in old testament points to Christ. everything else was a shadow. All Gods lessons other than moral living pointed to Jesus and all that he fulfilled. Its like when you were a child and you learned cursive writing you wrote letters in exaggerated size to get the feel for writing which was foreign to you as a child. Now as a grown up you can see the whole picture. You folks that are obsessed with the Sabbath day are missing a great lesson but Ellen White and her cult have damaged you ability to even think. This video is a prime example. If you would be honest you would see how the investigative judgement has evolvved slowly over time. If you looked at origianl writings of EG White on the subject you would be embarrassed. Try it spometime and look with a fresh set of eyes and even read some articles about it and follow through. You would do yourself quite a favor.
@@reyr9571 lets see the statement "you don't know nothing really means I do know something. Learn english before commenting. SDA are the ones that know very little.
They came together on the first day of the week because they celebrated the Sabbath and did collections on the first day of the week, therefor keeping the 7th day holy, Many verses in Acts that Paul was 6 months, 18 months etc at this or that place and went EVERY, sabbath teaching, either in the Synagogues or at home churches
Seventh-day Adventists who are believers in Adventist doctrine are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community. Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@shawnahlfeld2887 Yes I should and I saved this suggestion and added it to my list of potential videos. I refreshed myself on this vidwo and watched segments again, and it is so full of error, but then again, we know the Investigative Judgemetn is heritical
Wake up! This man is good at twisting the scriptures and confusing the minds. "There are men who strive to be original, who are wise above what is written; therefore, their wisdom is foolishness. No man can improve the Bible by suggesting what the Lord meant to say or ought to have said. I take the Bible just as it is, as the Inspired Word." Selected Messages Vol. 1 page 15-17 written by Ellen G. White So this is a warning for your false preaching Tim Jennings....this is for your court case.
I have been wronged time and again by elders, been called into a room where 3 guys who agreed with themselves prior to calling the meeting basically had it all worked out how they were going to railroad me without allowing me a single word in defense. Ive been openly mocked in sabbath school, and still I go because God said, "Ezek. 2:6-8." My yes is yes and they have calmed down quite a bit, but they will never surrender. Even still they don't need to apologize because I do not hold it against them. Not because Jesus said to forgive that I may be forgiven, I just don't harbor ill will or hope they are destroyed in the judgement. I hope in Christ which means my hope must be for the covenant of life and peace for as many as have eyes to see and ears to hear. no matter what your yesterday was or today is, hope is always for a better tomorrow.
In the parable of Matthew 22 the same figure of the marriage is introduced, and the investigative judgment is clearly represented as taking place before the marriage. Previous to the wedding the king comes in to see the guests, to see if all are attired in the wedding garment, the spotless robe of character washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb. Matthew 22:11; Revelation 7:14. He who is found wanting is cast out, but all who upon examination are seen to have the wedding garment on are accepted of God and accounted worthy of a share in His kingdom and a seat upon His throne. This work of examination of character, of determining who are prepared for the kingdom of God, is that of the investigative judgment, the closing work in the sanctuary above.
The Great Controversy ??? FINISH Pauls lesson in: 2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (CJB) 3] Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until AFTER: The Apostasy has come and .. The man who separates himself from Torah .. has been: Revealed, (Uncovered) The one destined for doom. 4] He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; He will put himself above them all, so that he will “SIT IN THE TEMPLE of God and .. Proclaim that he Himself is God. 5] Don't you remember that when I was STILL with you, I USED TO TELL YOU .. these (Prophetic) things? I understand Dr. Jenkins is trying to get Saints SEE GOD, from a view point of LOVE 💕 🤗😘🥰😍 And I do.. his passion is INSPIRING.. But let’s note: Daniel 9:27 He (Satan the One who imposes (/ LIES about God) will make a strong Covenant with MANY (Earthly) leaders (10 ?Revelation 17:12) for one week [or 7 years]. But .. halfway of The week (3-1/2 Years) he (👿) will put a stop 🛑 to the (Imposed Zionist animal) Sacrifice and The (Zionist Religious) Grain offering. The desolator (Liar Satan will DO) MIND BOGGLING, detestable things and continue UNTIL.. the already decreed (Prophetic)!destruction is poured out 🍷 .. on the desolator.” 👿 I’m STILL trying to WRAP MY HEAD SOME THINGS.. I’m being made aware (by the Holy Ghost) that he is like an apologist .. trying to help his SDA, understand & mature .. ?
This guy is very confuse he sounds very convincing very seductive is twisting the message the little horn wage war against the saint literally and try to change the law of God I'm persecuted the saint the kept the commandments of God.
I can at least make up what Tim Jennings is saying and coming from. Your sentence structure is one run-on sentence and garbled punctuation. If you wish to refute what he has stated, do it in a cohesive, well-mannered way.
Have you ever looked at a Bible study on the subject? There is plenty of Biblical evidence to support this belief. It can be proved from many different angles in scripture. Linguistically Theologically Prophetically...just to name a few
Your analysis of Daniel 8 is flawed. the sanctuary was defiled by a pagan ruler not Jesus servants. Plus 2300 years(which is already wrong)starts in 457 bc and there was no one persecuting the Jews back then. So the premise is wrong.
@@blockchainisajoke870 Truth is unfolding. It's foolish to hold to previously held positions. This is why Seventh-day Adventism doesn't grow long-term because of people like you.
My discovery is the Judgment of the living has begun 2300 days before the Final Day of Atonement. The date Yom Kippur is 2025. This was calculated from the last blood moon on Yom Kippur 2015. that was the ten year count down. Count back 2300 days from Oct 1. 2025. From that , it comes to June 16, 2019. Presently we are therefore more than 100 days into the judgment of the living. Imminently soon, we should be going to Sinai for the Judgment Ezekiel 20:34-38 and this Gathering is Rev 12:14. I am like Moses. Randy Sloan, son of Walt Sloan. I will be selecting 70 Elders of Israel after we get there. Shalom everyone. See you there!!!
This whole entire thing is preaching law They will never show other scriptures That contain things that will totally dismantle this. There too much truth in the letters of paul Even paul calls the 10 commandments the ministry of death.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet." If I'm taken to a court room, and there is no law abiding,.. how can they sentence me?? No law, no sin, how death??
this man's theology is very dangerous...he is may have adopted Graham Maxwell's theology. Amazing, every wind of doctrine is blowing through the church and it is false doctrine that will cause the shaking among SDA's.
Shaking? Rev 14 illustrates those who serveth the Lord and those who serveth Him not. I would not marvel at anyone that quotes the Bible. I would be wary of anything they said beyond It.
Thanks, Dr. Timothy. You have a lot of light. I give you a new commandment that you love one another. Anyone who loves fulfills the law for all the law hangs on that commandment. The carnal mind cannot receive the things of God for they are spiritually discerned.
John Doe , if God is not on trial, why would revelation say , SALVATION TO OUR GOD WHY DOES GOD NEED SALVATION? You don't know GODS NAME NEED TO BE VINDICATED? You don't know your bible.
2/3 of the angels made their declaration when Jesus ascended into heaven and there was war in heaven because the prince of this world is judged(at the cross) satan and his angels did not deceive the rest who remain faithful to God insomuch as they rejoiced when satan and his angels were cast out. I assure you, there is no one in heaven to try God.
@@servantofjesus5669 God does not need to be vindicated. In my opinion, when you say that God needs to be vindicated you are saying that God may have done something wrong. To date I've yet to come across an SDA member who does not refrain from taking Scripture out of context. Just like other SDA members you have taken Scripture out of context. I honestly should not be surprised since Ellen G. White did the same thing. Now, without taking Scripture out of context or using Ellen G. White please explain to me the investigative judgment.
@@Frontrow-ll4inDaniel 7. There is a judgement scene with books opened. Many other verses reference books and whether we are blotted out or not. It all comes down to whom we choose to obey. The reason God has books is because He is so fair and just and transparent that He will allow all to review His decisions as to whether someone is lost or saved. Those that have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior are saved in spite of Satan’s accusations. Satan is called the accuser of the brethren Rev 12:10. Satan obviously wants everyone lost and makes the case that we don’t deserve eternal life. Jesus is our advocate 1 John 2:1. And of course wants all saved. But again, it all boils down to whether we love and accept Jesus and follow Him, or reject Him. So a believer in Jesus has faith that He will cover them with His righteousness unto salvation. When Jesus comes again in the clouds of glory, we are told He brings His reward with Him…meaning He has already decided who is saved or lost based on whether we have accepted His free gift of grace. I disagree with Tom Jennings teaching and cling to the biblical foundational teaching that the Seventh Day Adventist Church upholds.
Miller had the date absolutely correct but had a Misunderstanding of what the “sanctuary” represented in Daniel 8:14. As did all of Christianity at his time. By careful study and agonizing prayer, a small group came to the correct understanding that the sanctuary was in heaven just as Hebrews 8 explains. Very similar to the disciples believing Jesus was going to be their temporal king in Jerusalem. They were devastated when He was crucified because they completely misunderstood His mission.
This is from the Lord. Honestly, every time I see a video about the IJ I dread. I really do.
As a lifelong SDA, I could never accept this ugly, misguided and ungodly doctrine. I’ve learned much from Dr. Ford talks in this subject, and now, Dr. Jennings took it to even deeper meaning. Thank you Doc... May the Almighty bless you more and more
I agree... The judgment struck so much fear in me before I understood this
@@Moonisrealtho
How many people got their mental health totally screwed up by EGW and her delusional lies.
This is sooo wonderful to hear another minister with this same concept of God. I pray for Dr. Jennings for proclaiming the third angels message. Awesome message I will share this presentation with others.
God is not on trial. There are many voices from within undermining what God's people have believed for over a century. This man is just one of many.
Jesus Christ established his Church over 2000 years ago; not less than 200 years.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 -- God has has a true church in every age. So what's your point?
Romans 3:4 would like to have a word with you.
Just go back to the original sin. God said eat this and you will die. The serpent said eat this and you will be like gods. Who’s telling the truth? Of course God is on trial. If we believe God is good, we will obey Him. If we don’t trust Him, we won’t do as he says.
@@dok9024
Very well said. As the Psalmist says, “Taste and see that the Lord is good.”
"Investigative judgement"and is biblical. Before Adam was sentenced (Genesis 3:15-19). there was first an investigation made. Genesis 3:8-14. The same investigation was done with Caine after killing Abel (Genesis 4:9-10) and the sentencing in Genesis 4:11-13. The same investigation is made in Genesis 11:5-6 and the sentencing in Genesis 11:7-8. The fourth "investigative judgement" conducted is at Sodom( Genesis 18:20-21,22) the evidence is found in Genesis 19:4-9 and the sentencing is Genesis 19:13,24. This investigative judgement is biblical. Seventh day adventist got it right and I support this teaching 100%
@david Tito, so you confirm then than SDA is wrong to claim that investigstive judgment started in 1844, because as you say, it was done in Genesis?
Yeah, that's right.
However, you are still wrong in your understanding,because what happened in all those circumstances that you site is Investigation of the crime and then Judgment. This is the normal judicial process. Yet is has nothing to do with SDA erroneous and non Biblical doctrine of IJ.
God does not destroy ❤️🙏🏾 Sin does!
”Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.“
Romans 11:20-22 NIV
“But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.”
Hebrews 9:11-12 NKJV
@fourstring fretburner Amen! The verse in Hebrews 9 set me free from the bondage of the investigative judgement doctrine!!
The translation into the term “most holy place” is a bad one. When you go directly to the Greek, the interpretation should ready “holy place.” The blue letter bible is an amazing app/ tool that can easily be down loaded to dig deeper into scripture. ❤️🙏🏻
@@juligraham7319 I've checked dozens of translations and nowhere is it translated holy place
In Greek it's used both ways! And even if it's used as holy place it does not change the meaning of the text! He entered once for all, at his ascension and not in 1844
@@kevinbooth6293 there is a definate distinction in Hebrews between the Holy Place (hagia) and the Most Holy Place (hagia hagion). In Hebrews 10:7 we read that the entire book is about Jesus…that is the entire OT. Jesus also said that all scripture testifies of Him in John 5:39. In Psalms 77:13 we read that God’s way is in the sanctuary.
So when we go to the sanctuary in the OT, we see that Jesus was the perfect spotless lamb that was sacrificed in the courtyard.
Did the sanctuary service end there (did it end at the cross)? No. Daily the priest went into the holy place with the blood of all those sacrifices, and tended to the bread, the incense and the lamps.
One day a year was the day of atonement when the high priest alone went with blood into the most holy place to cleanse the sanctuary from all the sin that had been transferred there. Anyone in the camp that was not fully surrendered to God through deep repentance and faith was to be cut off. This pointed to the antitypical final judgement and cleansing of sin.
Jesus, we are told in Hebrews is our high priest. We are told in Hebrews 8 that there is a literal heavenly sanctuary. We are told that the earthly sanctuary was a pattern of the heavenly.
All of the OT services pointed to Jesus and his ministry to save.
He entered into the holy place when he ascended into Heaven with his own blood just as the priests entered into the holy place on a daily basis. Jesus is the bread, He is the intercessor of incense mixing with our prayers, He is the light.
Just as the high priest did not enter daily into the most holy place, but only entered in on the day of judgement, so jesus did not enter into the most holy place of heaven until 1844 at the end of the 2300
Day prophecy.
Jesus is the only one we can trust to get us through. Praise the Lord, He is our advocate and judge and savior. How can we be lost when he is for us. Surrender all to Him ❤️🙏🏻
This is in line with Dr Des Ford (Adventist pastor) sees it, as do I. What an awesome responsibility for the remnant church to have. The exposing of the truth for the last days. Why did the SDA Scribes and Pharisees give so much pain to those that discovered this thinking. For a group that believes in the truth, when are they going to change the 28 fundamentals. I am thinking to resign from the corporation
A comprehensive chapter on Investigative Judgment can be found in the Great Controversy.
That's accurate. Praise God in heaven for giving this message to a man who could get it out to the people. Thank you, thank you. There is tons in Mrs Whites writings about defilement and cleansing. Please consider for a moment Brother the amount of "rain" that fell on this earth at the end of the twenty three hundred years to "cleanse" us in the preachings and teachings of Miller, White, Bates and countless others.
Along with the amount of deception that came with the preaching of those you listed.
SDA preach the wrong gospel. Read the Bible for yourself and you'll understand it.
Listen to preachers like this one or rely on the writings of your "prophetess" and you'll remain in fog.
@@July-A7 You simply don't understand the reformation or where we're at in time.
@@July-A7 Something great big happened in this country in the eighteen hundreds, look at your hymnal and ask yourself if you can trace all the little points of light that came to a head...
@@presenttruthmessages 19th century is all about the industrial revolution and liberation of sociery in many aspects as well transferring of slavery from typical form to a dependance of the workers from their exploitators . Cosmetic change of slavery.
With all the perceived freedom came false preachers and religious revival .
Nothing prophetic happened in 1844.
The top leaders in Catholicism agree with me by their statement that if you would be a Bible Christian, you would necessarily be Adventist. Anybody that gets to a point where they refuse light... They're done.
God's wisdom, His justice, and His goodness stand fully vindicated. It is seen that all His dealings in the great controversy have been conducted with respect to the eternal good of His people and the good of all the worlds that He has created. "All Thy works shall praise Thee, O Lord; and Thy saints shall bless Thee." Psalm 145:10. GC 670.3
Awesome quote. Shared that with a few Christian brothers of mine.
No where in the scripture does it say that jesus entered the most holy place in 1844.
Hebrews 9:12 says Christ entered ONCE
English Standard Version
he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
This should raise a red flag immediately for anyone listening to this. If something contradicts the bible then that should be a red flag
It says the Holy Place in the original King James, so....
@@caleschnellLORD HAVE MERCY
@@charnelallan7159 What's with the overt pious posturing?
@@caleschnell SIR ENGLISH IS NOT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF THE BIBLE HEBREW AND GREEK IS.
WHERE IS THE PRESENCE OF GOD ? I WILL ANSWER FOR U.
UPON CHRIST ASCENSION HE WENT TO SIT AT GODS RIGHT HAND
@@charnelallan7159 Where He's cleansing sinfulness for the righteous living. I don't see why geographic location is this much of an issue for you to understand if you clearly see that the Day of Atonement has nothing to do with erasure of records of sins but it's the erasure of the sinfulness of God's people.
Again, this penal-legal lie has many focused about the deeds, the acts, the records of the deeds or acts that have violated God's holy law and now they're a criminal awaiting a heavenly tribunal where they will receive their proper sentencing before they're justly punished and executed.
This is the penal-legal deception that has intoxicated the world-it's led Seventh-day Adventists to continually focus on the Sabbath; what is the right way to keep the right day.
Then, this bleeds into having disdain towards Sunday-keeping churches that may be stuck in concrete ways of thinking God's law as well or they may also misunderstand sound biblical eschatology the Seventh-day Adventist Church has taught. Again, this pointing the finger that has happened from both camps has caused distortion and confusion as to the purpose of the Decalogue.
Many Adventists believe the purpose of this law is strict adherence to it much like the Pharisees of Christ's day. It is a shame that many Adventists are falling into the bear trap of Pharisaism as it pertains to the fourth commandment and they tie up heavy burdens on that day for their fellow parishioners to carry.
The Decalogue was added to diagnosis that we have a condition that we of ourselves cannot remedy but it is by partaking of the life and righteousness of Christ we are set right and renewed. We get new motives, desires, heart, mind, and a new spirit-the Spirit of truth and love itself.
I've never heard these idea's before,but they make sense,and I want to study them more.
This is the real truth about our heavenly Father and His only begotton Son, Jesus Christ. Please prayerfully study this out for yourself.
Its a cultic doctrine
@@chronicledaily9440 I like the designer God he portrays,but now I no longer believe in the I.J especially as posed in Great Controversy p425-on. first the year day principal is incorrect and is never used in the bible for prophecy,and so many of the texts he uses are out of context for the I.J. I believe that believers are Judged at the cross,and will be saved based on what Jesus did there.1Cor 3; 10 believers work will be judged,and rewarded accordingly,but there salvation is sure.Non believers will be eternally judged at the same time.if you can show me I'm incorrect..please do.
@@kenchrispens4023 I used to believe that way too, but an honest reading of the bible cant lead you to any other fact, that Jesus died to redeem us from sin not in our sin. Obedience is very important. So far as to bring every thought into obedience
@@mangchahaokip6648 -- You are correct. We as Adventists have the choice of on the one hand accepting Scriptural and Ellen White's version of truths such as the atonement, punishment of sinners, and the final destruction of the wicked, or on the other hand the theories of Dr. Jennings. The two are in no way compatible. Only those who are not thoroughly versed in Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy can be so easily fooled by Jennings.
a lot of information to unravel, but the process is solid.
I'll be so glad when Jesus returns. Sadly that's partly because I'll be glad that no longer do we have to listen to our pastors talk in circles to the admiration of many and the disgust of others. Its easy to sympathize with how heaven felt when they rejoiced that the accuser of the brethren who accused them day and night was cast out by the blood of the Lamb and the power of His Christ. Its sad that we feel their pain and disgust. Its even more sad that this church persecutes the body and does not understand that when they do it to the least of these they do it to Him.
*Happy Investigative Judgment Day!*
(Now going on for 179 years)
You and I know that the Investigative Judgment is not biblical. Can you explain where Adventist went south and what exactly happened to the reformation? I can.
@@presenttruthmessages The Adventists "went south" right from the get go. The early Adventists merely came up with this concept because they were looking in their eschatological rearview mirror and wondering what in the world happened with all their unequivocal calculations.
*The investigative judgement is merely a fill-in-the-gap theory for people who could never admit to possibly being mistaken* . (This is a trait of all narcissists.)
It must be exhausting for SDAs to constantly keep defending the doctrine of the Investigative Judgement year after year.
@@SundayKeeper A comprehensive chapter on Investigative Judgment can be found in the Great Controversy.
@hainisajoke870 I've read the Great Controversy three times. I am aware of its clams.
I notice that you recommend a book *outside of the Bible* to support your claim that the investigative judgement is in the Bible. Sola Scriptura please.
I attend an Adventist Church, mostly out of convenience, but most of their doctrines are directly opposite to what the Bible teaches, including this nonsense of investigative judgement. I guard my heart and mind every time I enter one of those churches. The Bible clearly states that Jesus died once for all and is seated at the right hand of God making intercession for us. His intercessions empower us in obedience to the law of love. Thank God for his "Sunday Christians" or else all this time I would still be in deep bondage to the law, sin, my flesh and performance based Christianity, codependency, low self esteem, fear of man, and mental and emotional turmoil.
So if the judgement is really the cleansing of the mind of Satan's lies, how is this different from plain old Sanctification? and if it's not different why is there a specific date for it beginning? Also there would be no judgment of the dead since the mind of the dead cannot be changed. And what about the Sealing? What is that?
Good points. Mr Jennings started with how many have studied IJ and still don't understand. In 20 yrs Ive heard it explained many ways which adds to the confusion. Somebody wise once said, My yes is yes and no is no, easily understood and changes not. What makes sense to me is that the 2300 yrs is the end time, the 2300th day is the last day when the Ancient of Days sits and judgement is set, Jesus returns, the words of the little horn come into remembrance and the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire, the sanctuary is cleansed as the sins of the forgiven are transferred to the scapegoat(satan) and satan is bound for a 1000 yrs, the wicked living are taken from the mill and the well to the marriage supper where their flesh is eaten by the fowls, the righteous dead are raised, the righteous living, not to preceed them are lastly caught up from the mill and the well unto the Lord, the books are opened and the resurrected give an account of themselves to their Judge and Savior, but they already know what their judgement is because His reward was with Him when He was seen coming in the clouds because the judgement was set.
Sanctification is like prep, its like when u prep yourself for your marriage ceremony. The marriage itself is the consolidation of that prep and a lifelong (with God, an age long/or eternal) consolidation of that sanctification and all it entails
@@stewiefy IJ is contrived coverup for the YUGE October 22, 1844 fiasco. We got the date right, but the wrong event.🐂💩
Lies. Deliberate Lies. Your church is based on lies….
Do you prefer your oysters breaded or brined in vinegar?
The 144kth. Very good points. What I have seen is that Jennings is not teaching the fullness of the biblical understanding of the investigative judgement. Praying he comes to a fullness of the understanding of God’s truth….as we all need. 🙏🏻❤️
Absolutely accurate and on time.
Praise the Lord ...🙏
A question for any Adventist bold enough to think. According to the absurd doctrine of the investigative judgement, ones name can come up in review anytime.
What happens to those whose names have already come up in review whilst they are yet alive? Is it possible for these to loose their salvation? If No, is this not some form of predestination?
And if yes, then how reliable is this investigative judgement if does not render a definite, conclusive account of character?
When the judgement is set, Jesus is coming. All of the moving targets of 1844 are settled if we understand this. The IJ, the 10 virgins, the shut door...
Former adventists...seems like a critical and judgmental statement to make...as well as a blanket statement to categorize sdas as unable to have a spirit led discussion.
Granted there are and have been those in the church who are probably unable to have a spirit led discussion...i am sure every denomination woul be similar.
But to make a blanket statement like reveals that you have a harsh, judgmental and critical spirit.
May the gospel of Gods grace touch your heart so that fruit of the spirit may be revealed in your comments.
Praise the Lord 🙏❤️👍
SDA people are absolutely right to remember the sabbath day to keep it holy as it is scriptural and there is no scripture to support the sunday worship (worshipping on the first day of the week is a false doctrine)....now SDA please apply this method to the investigative judgment as there is no scripture to support this false doctrine. God is not looking at my blood when he's looking at my name in the book of life, hopefully for me he's looking at the blood of Jeshua. I will listen, believe and obey God and keep all his commandments until the end of my life...but my blood is marked from the beginning and neither the circumcision nor the baptism can purify it, we all have to face the death and be resurrected with a new body ..new soul..new blood and this miracle will only be possible because of the blood of Jeshua.
What was God doing in Genesis 3:9-13, Is not that Investigation?
No it is not ....God doesn't need to investigate anything....He knew Adam and Eve did something that would lead them to death and they both deserved the death penalty...I deserve the death penalty because I did transgress the law of God so many times in my life and there is no investigation that could save me from the right sentence of God...it's not because the law of God is wrong that i'm going to die it's because the law of God is right, perfect and holy....the law of God only put to death humans that choose to reject it... Jesus never transgress any law or commandment and you would probably agree that he doesn't need to be investigated. What you don't understand about grace is that God doesn't look at my blood which is marked by so many transgressions, he's looking at the blood of Jesus which is spotless and doesn't need any investigation. By accepting the grace I make the decision to obey to the law of God and if I disobey tomorrow and repent I can ask God for forgiveness and will be saved only because of the blood of Jesus (a blood of obedience ...a blood that doesn't need any investigation)
Just start’ this. Wow! Important to know! Shared with Sunday Christians in Malaysia and out here.
If the investigative judgement is b.s. then by the authorities in SDA there is no need for the SDA church.
Fear God and give glory to Him. I do not care what man says.
BINGO!!!
@@stewiefy To which man are you referring?
Wow, right on
SDA theology is true. We are in the judgement hour.
Rev. 14:6 see's an angel having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth and to every kindred nation tongue and people saying with a loud voice fear God and give glory to Him for the hour of His judgement is come and worship Him that made heaven and earth and the sea and the fountains of waters. The gospel went forth to the gentiles at the end of the 490 yrs. Peter saw the vision that gentiles are no longer unclean. We have been in the judgement hour since this time, since the gospel went forth to all nations to worship God. the judgement that is come upon us is that satan is cast down knowing his time is short. satan is already judged, as for us, worship God for if any man shall worship the beast and his image and receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand, the same shall drink the wine of the wrath of God which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation. Dan. 8:19, "...I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation, for at the time appointed the end shall be." We are in the judgement hour but it started long before 1844. 1844 was at best a revival.
It is a cult doctrine
@@stewiefy 1844 was a result of the sin of trying to determine when the 2nd coming will be, bad math, and many lies and spreading disinformation to try their pompous butts and bloomers…
There is NOTHING wrong with Adventist seeking for present truth.
Evict EGW from your search party.
@@cindiloowhoo1166
Lol, okay, Cindiloo! So many Christians are so ignorant and have a legal relationship with Christ yet do we practice His methods or principles? Are we servants of His yet will we not abide by His word?
Could someone, since the ascension of Christ and be eternally secure before the IJ commensed in Oct 1844 without the IJ being performed by Jesus?
(Jesus wasn't performing the IJ from the time of his ascension to Oct 21st 1844).
Could a believer from 33 A.D. to 22nd Oct 1844 be delcared saved, reconciled and justified without the commencement of the IJ?
Remember, 22nd Oct1844, is the date that jesus apparently BEGAN his searching scrutiny work of the IJ beginning with the old testament believers then moving onto the new testament believers and those who come after.
Any takers?
@E, the theory of Investigative Judgment is a fallacy. It's not Biblical. It is heretical. It's a blasphemy.
All people of all ages are saved in one way only. Through Jesus Christ. That's all there is.
Don't believe for a moment what SDA claims with their theory. 1844 has no prophetic significance. Nothing happened in heaven then.
Prior to Christ, people were being saved on the promise that He will come and die for our sins. This was signified by the animal sacrifices and sprinkling of blood on the veil.
After Christ, people are saved because He died for our sins and went in the Father's presence in fulfilllent of the Old Testament sanctuary services at Yom Kippur.
I hope you will present the Ezekiel 20:33-38 with the Investigative judgment.
at 23 minutes he says sarcastically - if you forget one sin you will be punished by God...this not what the SDA church teaches nor EGWhite. So again, he has problems in his own mind with law and grace
That's how a lot of people think about God's judgement, though. He's not saying that what Church or Ellen White teaches. According to Jesus we are not judged by what we do but by how judge others (Matt 7:2), our own sins are already forgiven thanks to Jesus. So the investigative judgement is not about God judging us, it's about us learning to stop mis-judging God (and one another).
@@HawkofMae ..........Hi Michael, thanks for saying hello. I think I have to disagree with you at least on one point. We are judged on what we do for what we do tells who we are.and shows our faith according to James 2: 9-20 And Matthew 25. 31-45 says you need good works to be saved because works show your faith and love to God and man.....Jesus said, by their fruits you shall know them..Our own sins are forgiven but God wants us to seek a sinless experience which means we cannot condone willful sin for Hebrews says if you sin willfully and perpetually without repentance and sorrow after you receive Christ there is no forgiveness for you..HEBREWS 10:26...
Be careful you don't philosophize the truth of God away, or His commandments, or His judgements and final punishment.....I am not stressing perfectionsim for we are saved by grace and not works but as Paul said in Romans 3.31...do we then make void the law through faith...God forbid!
We are justified by faith but sanctified by works of the law....but always and only saved by grace
@@HawkofMae Michael....I don't see the I.J. as a judgement upon us, but a judgment for us, a judgement that declares us righteous in Christ by faith....so there is confusion in some Adventist minds as to the function or purpose of the investigative judgment....the I. J. shuts the mouth of Satan, for though we are sinners, we are save-able via faith in the atonement and repentance towards God
I think we are in agreement. I never meant to suggest that sin is okay, or that good works and repentance are not important. But I believe that repentance and good works are the result of our salvation not the cause of it ("if you love me keep my commandments" - John 14:15, Jesus said, and we love him "because he first loved us" - 1 John 4:19). Atonement is about bringing us into a right relationship with God, and that happens by changing our attitudes towards Him not changing His attitude towards us. The atonement reveals that God already loves us with an everlasting love no matter what we do, our sins are already forgiven. We only need to accept that forgiveness, to stop being judgmental towards ourselves, others, and even God. Following God's Law shouldn't be about knowledge of good and evil (judgement), it should be all about expressing the love that we have received.
@@HawkofMae ...I do think we agree but I will add this - atonement happens by accepting Christ as my substitute...God started the process of reconciliation through the death of Christ...or I could say it's all a matter of semantics....I am not reconciled to God by changing my attitude towards Him, I am reconciled to God as He is reconciled to me and that is via the cross...the cross came first , again it's all semantics
I get the feeling this man is taking things to an extreme...the temple being cleansed is the heavenly temple, I agree that we as a people are also being cleansed but the context refers not to us
We are cleansed by the Word. I hope we are not reading it once at the end of days.
EGW is said extremist.
The saints will execute the fair judgment of God under the leadership of Christ during this thousand years. That day or hour is described as a time of heat and drought and great harvest. At the same time, it is a day for the wicked to be revealed, to be killed by the word of truth and destroyed by the brightness of that day. But the people of the holy ones will stand and endure. They will recognize this day and they will be purified like silver and tested like gold.
Catholic Church did not change the sabbath. Early church writings showed they came together on the first day of the week.
@aurelio milaor cabal I can't begin to explain how the Sabbathwas fulfilled in Christ. Everything and I mean everything in old testament points to Christ. everything else was a shadow. All
Gods lessons other than moral living pointed to Jesus and all that he fulfilled. Its like when you were a child and you learned cursive writing you wrote letters in exaggerated size to get the feel for writing which was foreign to you as a child. Now as a grown up you can see the whole picture. You folks that are obsessed with the Sabbath day are missing a great lesson but Ellen White and her cult have damaged you ability to even think. This video is a prime example. If you would be honest you would see how the investigative judgement has evolvved slowly over time. If you looked at origianl writings of EG White on the subject you would be embarrassed. Try it spometime and look with a fresh set of eyes and even read some articles about it and follow through. You would do yourself quite a favor.
All the statement you have made he proves that you don't know nothing
@@reyr9571 lets see the statement "you don't know nothing really means I do know something. Learn english before commenting. SDA are the ones that know very little.
Jesus kept the Sabbath so it’s not open to debate.
They came together on the first day of the week because they celebrated the Sabbath and did collections on the first day of the week, therefor keeping the 7th day holy, Many verses in Acts that Paul was 6 months, 18 months etc at this or that place and went EVERY, sabbath teaching, either in the Synagogues or at home churches
Seventh-day Adventists who are believers in Adventist doctrine are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
You should do a video review of this!!!
@@shawnahlfeld2887 Yes I should and I saved this suggestion and added it to my list of potential videos. I refreshed myself on this vidwo and watched segments again, and it is so full of error, but then again, we know the Investigative Judgemetn is heritical
Wake up! This man is good at twisting the scriptures and confusing the minds. "There are men who strive to be original, who are wise above what is written; therefore, their wisdom is foolishness. No man can improve the Bible by suggesting what the Lord meant to say or ought to have said. I take the Bible just as it is, as the Inspired Word." Selected Messages Vol. 1 page 15-17 written by Ellen G. White So this is a warning for your false preaching Tim Jennings....this is for your court case.
I have been wronged time and again by elders, been called into a room where 3 guys who agreed with themselves prior to calling the meeting basically had it all worked out how they were going to railroad me without allowing me a single word in defense. Ive been openly mocked in sabbath school, and still I go because God said, "Ezek. 2:6-8." My yes is yes and they have calmed down quite a bit, but they will never surrender. Even still they don't need to apologize because I do not hold it against them. Not because Jesus said to forgive that I may be forgiven, I just don't harbor ill will or hope they are destroyed in the judgement. I hope in Christ which means my hope must be for the covenant of life and peace for as many as have eyes to see and ears to hear. no matter what your yesterday was or today is, hope is always for a better tomorrow.
In the parable of Matthew 22 the same figure of the marriage is introduced, and the investigative judgment is clearly represented as taking place before the marriage. Previous to the wedding the king comes in to see the guests, to see if all are attired in the wedding garment, the spotless robe of character washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb. Matthew 22:11; Revelation 7:14. He who is found wanting is cast out, but all who upon examination are seen to have the wedding garment on are accepted of God and accounted worthy of a share in His kingdom and a seat upon His throne. This work of examination of character, of determining who are prepared for the kingdom of God, is that of the investigative judgment, the closing work in the sanctuary above.
The judgement is for the fallen not God!!
The Great Controversy ???
FINISH Pauls lesson in:
2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (CJB)
3] Don't let anyone deceive you in any way.
For the Day will not come
until AFTER: The Apostasy has come
and ..
The man who separates himself from Torah ..
has been: Revealed, (Uncovered)
The one destined for doom.
4] He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship;
He will put himself above them all, so that he will “SIT IN THE TEMPLE of God
and .. Proclaim that he Himself is God.
5] Don't you remember that when I was STILL with you,
I USED TO TELL YOU .. these (Prophetic) things?
I understand Dr. Jenkins is trying to get Saints SEE GOD, from a view point of LOVE 💕 🤗😘🥰😍
And I do.. his passion is INSPIRING.. But let’s note:
Daniel 9:27
He (Satan the One who imposes (/ LIES about God) will make a strong Covenant with MANY (Earthly) leaders (10 ?Revelation 17:12) for one week [or 7 years].
But .. halfway of The week (3-1/2 Years) he (👿) will put a stop 🛑 to the (Imposed Zionist animal) Sacrifice and
The (Zionist Religious) Grain offering.
The desolator (Liar Satan will DO) MIND BOGGLING, detestable things and continue UNTIL.. the already decreed (Prophetic)!destruction is poured out 🍷 .. on the desolator.” 👿
I’m STILL trying to WRAP MY HEAD SOME THINGS.. I’m being made aware (by the Holy Ghost) that he is like an apologist .. trying to help his SDA, understand & mature .. ?
He is not teaching SDA doctrine.
RED FLAGS!!!
This guy is very confuse he sounds very convincing very seductive is twisting the message the little horn wage war against the saint literally and try to change the law of God I'm persecuted the saint the kept the commandments of God.
I can at least make up what Tim Jennings is saying and coming from. Your sentence structure is one run-on sentence and garbled punctuation.
If you wish to refute what he has stated, do it in a cohesive, well-mannered way.
The transition to the Judgement of the living is Next. The final 2300 days. In IJ.
In Shelley Quinns own words, when the judgement sits its in favor of the saints to receive the kingdom of God
IJ = 🐂💩
I certainly would like to know.... How you supporting investigator judgment... Only by using a Bible.... I don't believe you can...
Have you ever looked at a Bible study on the subject?
There is plenty of Biblical evidence to support this belief.
It can be proved from many different angles in scripture.
Linguistically
Theologically
Prophetically...just to name a few
The Torah is His law . He gave it to Israel.
Justified or proven correct. One cannot find Bible Sabbath's on an Egyptian Solar Calendar. shalom.
Are you telling me the Egyptians are not Gods chosen people?
Your analysis of Daniel 8 is flawed. the sanctuary was defiled by a pagan ruler not Jesus servants. Plus 2300 years(which is already wrong)starts in 457 bc and there was no one persecuting the Jews back then. So the premise is wrong.
The speaker needs to slow his speech down
Go to 0.75x speed.
That's on purpose. to confuse you with lies. A comprehensive chapter on Investigative Judgment can be found in the Great Controversy.
@@blockchainisajoke870 Truth is unfolding. It's foolish to hold to previously held positions. This is why Seventh-day Adventism doesn't grow long-term because of people like you.
@@blockchainisajoke870 Ignorance is not bliss.
What a stupid understanding
My discovery is the Judgment of the living has begun 2300 days before the Final Day of Atonement. The date Yom Kippur is 2025. This was calculated from the last blood moon on Yom Kippur 2015. that was the ten year count down. Count back 2300 days from Oct 1. 2025. From that , it comes to June 16, 2019. Presently we are therefore more than 100 days into the judgment of the living. Imminently soon, we should be going to Sinai for the Judgment Ezekiel 20:34-38 and this Gathering is Rev 12:14. I am like Moses. Randy Sloan, son of Walt Sloan. I will be selecting 70 Elders of Israel after we get there. Shalom everyone. See you there!!!
Too much talk just to explain the topic!!
Then succinctly tell us your version, please.
This whole entire thing is preaching law
They will never show other scriptures
That contain things that will totally dismantle this. There too much truth in the letters of paul
Even paul calls the 10 commandments the ministry of death.
Romans 7:7
What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."
If I'm taken to a court room, and there is no law abiding,.. how can they sentence me??
No law, no sin, how death??
@@pickupberries-ey3zj You can't use the human law model to describe what law, sin, and death is.
this man's theology is very dangerous...he is may have adopted Graham Maxwell's theology. Amazing, every wind of doctrine is blowing through the church and it is false doctrine that will cause the shaking among SDA's.
He is a false teacher, same as Graham Maxwell.
I pray that the HS will give Tim understanding to discover the falsity and great errors in his theology.
Shaking? Rev 14 illustrates those who serveth the Lord and those who serveth Him not. I would not marvel at anyone that quotes the Bible. I would be wary of anything they said beyond It.
Thanks, Dr. Timothy. You have a lot of light. I give you a new commandment that you love one another. Anyone who loves fulfills the law for all the law hangs on that commandment. The carnal mind cannot receive the things of God for they are spiritually discerned.
@@LG-br3fe I would not place too much confidence in him
Tim Jennings you have no proof that God is on trial except by extra biblical writings. Its all b.s.
John Doe , if God is not on trial, why would revelation say , SALVATION TO OUR GOD
WHY DOES GOD NEED SALVATION?
You don't know GODS NAME NEED TO BE VINDICATED?
You don't know your bible.
2/3 of the angels made their declaration when Jesus ascended into heaven and there was war in heaven because the prince of this world is judged(at the cross) satan and his angels did not deceive the rest who remain faithful to God insomuch as they rejoiced when satan and his angels were cast out. I assure you, there is no one in heaven to try God.
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God does not need to be vindicated. In my opinion, when you say that God needs to be vindicated you are saying that God may have done something wrong.
To date I've yet to come across an SDA member who does not refrain from taking Scripture out of context. Just like other SDA members you have taken Scripture out of context. I honestly should not be surprised since Ellen G. White did the same thing.
Now, without taking Scripture out of context or using Ellen G. White please explain to me the investigative judgment.
@@Frontrow-ll4inDaniel 7. There is a judgement scene with books opened. Many other verses reference books and whether we are blotted out or not. It all comes down to whom we choose to obey.
The reason God has books is because He is so fair and just and transparent that He will allow all to review His decisions as to whether someone is lost or saved. Those that have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior are saved in spite of Satan’s accusations. Satan is called the accuser of the brethren Rev 12:10. Satan obviously wants everyone lost and makes the case that we don’t deserve eternal life. Jesus is our advocate 1 John 2:1. And of course wants all saved. But again, it all boils down to whether we love and accept Jesus and follow Him, or reject Him.
So a believer in Jesus has faith that He will cover them with His righteousness unto salvation.
When Jesus comes again in the clouds of glory, we are told He brings His reward with Him…meaning He has already decided who is saved or lost based on whether we have accepted His free gift of grace.
I disagree with Tom Jennings teaching and cling to the biblical foundational teaching that the Seventh Day Adventist Church upholds.
William Miller was proved to be wrong each time. This is heresy
Miller had the date absolutely correct but had a Misunderstanding of what the “sanctuary” represented in Daniel 8:14. As did all of Christianity at his time. By careful study and agonizing prayer, a small group came to the correct understanding that the sanctuary was in heaven just as Hebrews 8 explains.
Very similar to the disciples believing Jesus was going to be their temporal king in Jerusalem. They were devastated when He was crucified because they completely misunderstood His mission.
@@juligraham7319 What?