Zeus MK II CL Better Than Connie Taurus?
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The Taurus has 1x S3 shield. So ~100,000 shield hp vs the CL's ~30,000 shield HP.
ingame - yea. But according to RSI website she is supposed to have 2x size "M" shield generators, vs 3 size "M" for the CL.
The other ridiculous thing about the Taurus - According to Erkul, the C1 has 65 % increase in body HP to the Taurus. (16.5 k vs 10k)
@Doychin_Penev you're reading old, out of date trash man. It is not what WILL be. The website hasn't been updated in a good while. Neither have the Connies.
@@durtyred86 well - Star citizen is an Alpha :)
@@Doychin_Penev my point exactly. But people still compare old components to newer ships. If the new ships got a buff to their components, so much so that they are nearly comparable to their big brother variants, then it's pretty safe to say those larger variants will too see a buff.
I don't know, i prefer the tractor beam on the taurus to be on the front. That ship is going to face a lot of combat bounties and when you are going to retrieve the goods from the defeated ships it's better to face your ship towards the enemy ship and then start the "transfer", it's more confortable than having to go backwards.
"My opinions are not objective reality, these are subjective options."
Mad respect for having the humility to acknowledge that. 1:30 into the video and I am now a subscriber.
CIG really hit the right spot for me with the Zeus. I wanted something bigger than a Cutlass or Freelancer but smaller than a large ship. The 400i always felt too luxurious while the Corsair looks on the inside like a cargo ship from today. The C1 seemed to be the answer until I saw the Zeus Mk2.
Assuming the Constellation series doesn't get a much needed rework, the CL is sadly a more attractive option for pure cargo running. However, the Taurus is still more flexible allowing you to haul a larger variety of cargo.
with WAY bigger guns, and hull. but, i love both
Very true. It's just that the Connie series is so outdated at this point. It's supposed to be Chris Roberts' ship and it's the ship that got so many into the game back in 2013. Fingers crossed it'll get some much needed love... Freelancer series too. @@half-centurygaming5991
The Zeus ships are really showing how outdated most other ships are because they were designed and built after an overall reconcept of how ships work, which is why they have so many shields.
I think it really shows just how outdated the constellation series is. I don't think they'll get a gold pass, I think they'll get a rework and grow in size. Freelancers are the same, they almost need to start with the max as the base model.
The Taurus is almost like having a concept ship that is playable, since we all know it will have a considerable rework. The Freelancer/Starfarer are in the same situation. I will hold on to mine to see what happens, since RSI ships are getting a team to work on the line of ships from the Polaris on down. Just think, what if the Connies get a total rework as MKII's, with the now triangular shape design of the RSI brand. I hope so.
I respect that you just outright acknowledge that a smaller ship is most likely more fun because you don't have to get like 30 people together to play, good to hear the honesty around the project. I will try to get a smaller ship due to your advice as right now all I got is a Polaris lol.
I've said this before, the Taurus is the logical progression from the Cutty Black. Cost wise, in game and RL, and function wise. It's a great hauler, but it's also a Jack of All Trades.
Currently, when starting out with just a Taurus and 0 credits, you can start doing Delivery, Mercenary, or Bounty missions. Remove Illegal Monitors start out at 20k. And you can chain them. Those 4 size 4 laser repeaters shred those ships with easy. Or mostly. Get up some cash and do transport. 174 SCU can make a decent profit, but you need seed capitol.
I would love to have a Zeus ES for exploration when it comes in, but not sure that is ever making it in the game. I would probably jump on the CL if I didn't have a Taurus already, but I do, so I won't.
The Taurus rear shielded cargo hold is for those times you want to smuggle illegal things. It is not that big and later the doors will be able to stay open using door switches. I don't see this as a big deal as a hand held tractor will work for those smaller boxes. The Taurus is almost like having a concept ship that is playable, since we all know it will have a considerable rework. The Freelancer/Starfarer are in the same situation. I will hold on to mine to see what happens, since RSI ships are getting a team to work on the line of ships from the Polaris on down.
I've had to limp my Taurus back to Baijini missing an engine and fighting the torque when landing. Another ship may be able to evade easier but the Taurus seems to be able take more punishment.
I’ve got the Andromeda for combat cargo (less space but harder target), the Phoenix because it was my first love in the game, and going with the Zeus CL for actual cargo running. The Spirit C1 is essentially my daily driver right now, and will probably stay that way because it doesn’t lose much by being solo.
I picked up CL I love that delta wing style and it has the shields and weapons for helping out in a group fight while being fully operational with a crew of two
Loving the videos bro you strike up some good conversations!
great breakdown of the two ships. Keep the great videos coming.
It's too early to decide. There are still unknown variabilities with reworks, gameplay loops, professions ect ect.
1000% need to add the tractor to the back pod that is still there from the snub. just make it a remote tractor beam... the co pilot uses? seeing how you dont want the pilot to use it. then it makes since to load cargo into its bay.
The Taurus is due for a major rework. I like the idea of having two tractor beams. One in the front and one in the back. Imagine how fast you could load it up. Great video. Thanks.
The Taurus does not have four size five weapons.
it has two size five fixed and 2 size 2 gimbal 4 are 4 size 4 gimbal .
it has one size three shield not size 2.
and if you check the wingspan of the Zeus.
it will not be able to go into a medium hanger unless the tips of the wing can fold.
so that means it will have to go into a hangar one size bigger.
I got this information from the horses mouth.
and the shielded cargo is not really intended for for standard cargo units but the next size down.
and the tractor beam is in the front for a reason because of the structure of the ship.
and the Zeus will be faster in atmosphere because it will be lighter. and it can regen hydrogen and it will be more agile than any of the constellation.
Good info. Thanks!
One thing that i'm not entirely sure about, is the Zeus MK II CL's underside turret. One would think that the copilot uses that. However, one thing to note is that the C1 Spirit also has a turret, like right under the nose of the ship, it looks like a remote turret, it looks like it can swivel around 360 degrees, but the copilot can't use it and it slaved to the pilot.
So its making me think that the turret could also be like that, slaved to the pilot controls and actually have an adittional 2x S3 guns to bare, along with your 2x S4 guns. Then if the copilot wanted too, he can take control of it.
Idk, the fact that the C1 Spirit Turret is usable by the pilot made me think the CL might be the same case.
Based off the stats published so far, the Railen seems to be a big upgrade on both of these ships for a small bump in price.
I've bought a Zeus CL warbond along with a CCU from Taurus to Railen. That way I can melt the CL to get credit for the Taurus, then I can CCU to Railen straight away if it turns out to be as good as I anticipate.
Also think the Zeus' and the Railen will eventually go up in price so could be good to hold.
The Railen is almost twice the price of the Zeus CL...
oh wait its only 225@@Aethid
@@JwallzMTB And the Zeus CL is currently $135 wb.
i paid 150, pls help me understand the difference.@@Aethid
@@JwallzMTB If you buy with entirely new money (not using any store credit), you can buy the “warbond” version which is discounted to $135. If you paid $150 with new money, I would recommend contacting support to ask for a refund (you have 30 days to ask for a refund), and instead buy the warbond version while it is still available. Long term, you may be able to get the ship (or another ship) for less by chaining warbond CCUs to stack the discounts of multiple ships. That is a bit complicated for me to explain here, but search “star citizen ccu game” and you should find info on that. If you bought the Zeus CL as a CCU from another ship, there is currently no way to get it for less than $150 unless you are CCU’ing from another ship that you managed to get discounts on - again google “ccu game” for info on how to do that.
On paper and my gut reaction... I would choose the Taurus. Bigger shield, more firepower, more cargo and the turret based tractor beam seems very useful. Assuming the CL tractor beam acts like the C1's. I would of course have to re-evaluate once I get my hands on the Zeus.
I chose the Zeus CL because of the cargo running but I'm hoping it can hold it's own doing some bounty missions so I can scoop up some contraband with it as well. I'd like to earn enough UEC from the CL to buy the prospector as those are my two favorite game loops. Hopefully those two ships will help me grow my fleet.
One thing I don't see many people mention and I thought was a big deal and CIG made sure to point out was that the Zeus was one of the largest ships able to pass through a small jump point. That degree of freedom and ability to potentially take shortcuts was a big draw for me in addition to the 3 points of entry vs the C1's slow ramp at the far end of the ship.
zeus is an excellent choice especially the es probably going to be the best daily driver ship
That's what I'm hoping. Traded out my Cutlass Black which was my go-to.@@marcuswynn89
Luv the content MW, keep it going Brah.✅
Taurus has 2xS4 and 2xS5 guns, and not 4xS5.
Tractor beam i one of the best implementations in the game rn. The only issue is accessing the shielded area in the back, but you can get to it with a handheld tractor beam. It will get reworked, so that will get fixed (hopefully)
No is has 4S5 hard point just as of right now the lower 2S5 are locked to S4 weapons due to landing gear hopefully another rework will fix this actually to allow 4S5 fixed weapons
Yeah they still need to work on the Cargo Fields and putting the containers into the various vehicles, ships and ground vehicles.
whats up my brotha nice video.
thank you
Taurus should be a mini carrier. Add the ability to attach 2 auroras to either side at the hatches
I like that cig should do that and also be able to use there thrusters while attached for extra power and speed
Waaaay back in the day (like 8 or 9 years ago when all we had was the hangar module), CIG advertised that there would be some special advantage of owning both a Constellation and Aurora, but never specified exactly what they meant by it. It's been completely forgotten, but I wonder if you might be onto something.
@@caseytwill they definitely need to give both a upgrade especially the Connie. Have a six man crew two on turrets two in Aurora's and one in the snub it would be a force to recon with and everyone would have something to do in a battle
And there needs to be one version that has a med bed on it the constilation's are Chris Roberts babies he needs to treat them right and I would love if they implemented just half of these features to one it would be my main go to do it all daily ship
@@jasonmcclure5491the Aquila absolutely should have a med bed. Class 2 minimum. The Connie reworks can't happen soon enough in my opinion.
so i just made this decision after sitting all day on it, i almost bought the connie 4 times but bit the bullet and got the Zu CL. excited i did
Very insightful matchup. You make good points about the Connie and its weaknesses. The rework that is sure to come at some point is desperately needed now more than ever. The MK 2 is a great ship I believe and it will be an updated ship. Anyone still flying the Connie Taurus when the Zeus series is released to fly is only doing it out of loyalist sentiment. Good content in what your points are but I might think about some faint background music. Keep on keepin on.
No need to have a "loyalist sentiment". I just prefer 174 scu to 128.
Thanks to you I have downsize my fleet. But I still have my Hercules ships and I want know even though it’s bigger. Will it only need one guy run engineer? Because if you look at the layout it’s pretty easy to run around to fix things.
@@velocitymg thank you 🙏🏾
I'll admit to a little bias, the Taurus is one of my favorite ships. Imo, the CL is inferior in every way except 3.....looks, ease of landing and that it doesn't have to deal with janky lift mechanics when being manually loaded (ramps ftw). I prefer the tractor location on the taurus because I can drive right up to the thing I am looting and use it to fully load my cargo grid (other than the 6 or so SCU of shielded cargo). The Tractor turret has clear LoS all the way to the back of the lift. Based on the illustrations, not even sure the CL can tractor things fully to the back of its cargo bay. One last little bit, CIG said that a drawback of the CL would be if it was fully loaded it would block some component access. Connie doesn't have that issue.
That's not to mention the difference in HP and firepower. The CL is a more dedicated cargo ship specifically because it is a less capable ship overall. Then again, the Taurus should be more capable, its more expensive to get. Its not the Taurus the CL might replace in my fleet, but it might replace my MSR :)
iv been noticing that all the new designs of the ships are staying away from lift type cargo bays
I'm not too crazy about ship based tractor beams at the moment. I'd rather use the pistol or rifle versions.
I typically don't like but only 2 connies . The andromeda because with a crew it is S tier and one murderous monster for it's size . And the Phoenix because it is a cool luxury option as a race hauler .
Not that the other variants aren't viable but i would take other options over them for hauling or exploring. I would take the CL here personally because i want the smaller , faster option . If I'm gonna fly bad handling ship to haul with it will be one with at least more cargo scu than the taurus.
LOL we were just talking about the Connie vs the C1 vs the Zeus last night.
The Taurus has more of everything but at the cost of size and risk of engines been blown off andis able to be a combat ship IF needed why the Zeus is only a Cargo runner,
It’s kind of hard to compare a large to a medium ship. For purely cargo the CL edges but for overall the Taurus will be better
09:40 is the taurus considered to change? right now it has 1 size 3 shield...^^ not 2 S2
Taurus sits in a weird size category right now and lacks many direct competitors. With the Zeus being almost the same size and the Taurus being labeled "large", I think there's a good chance that the Connie will grow during a rework.
Almost? The taurus is like 25 meters longer, and 2 times taller.
The zeus is 45 meters long, 8 meters tall, 34 meters wide.
The taurus is 70 meters long, 15 meters tall, 27 meters wide.
To clarify, the zues is smaller than any spirit.
I don’t really get the problem with the shielded cargo (is that even implemented yet?) in the cargo size comparison. You compare the 174SCU of the Connie to the 128SCU of the CL, saying that sadly it’s not all available. YES it is, 174SCU is only the cargo grid of the cargo elevator. It doesn’t take the shielded cargo into account
first is first these 2 ships are in 2 different classes if i remember correctly connie is large and zeus is medium so they dont or shouldnt compare. the zeus is in same class as freelancer, 400, cutlass and spirit. these are ships that should head to head.
where its easy to make that mistake is the connie is the smallest large ship and the zeus is the largest medium.
next all connies have 2 S4 and 2 S5
well its to soon to compare a flyable with a non flyable but im not sure whats wrong with your connie experience but my connies never die loading or unloading. but i will say it takes more concentration to load gear into a connie than most other ships because the connie i sometimes toss a box at its cargo grid and it passes through as when i toss a box at most other ships when it crosses the door it enters a gravity well. so you can be a little less purposeful with most ship and just launch a box at the door and hope it flies in.
1 last fun fact in space power to weight ratio means nothing really because if i make a big engine where the plasma particals generate energy for example 5 miles per hour and i make a small engine that generate at 5 miles per hour and i put either engine on 1 million tons or on 500 pounds the hull will travel at 5 miles per hour in space regardless of size of hull or engine. where it does matter is generating momentum is the factor! as the more mass of hull you have the longer it takes to reach 5 miles per hour. also if the engine is larger it may be able to produce more propulsion surface area so this can also get you to 5 miles per hour faster. size of engine or hull has no impact on speed that is in the plasma particle speed generation.
Greetings from the Netherlands :) My opinion i never liked the constalation series, dont ask why its just a feeling when you enter and fly the ship.
I play games for what i like and the shape of the cl is more of a space feeling for me, not knowing offcourse what the inside will be like. So i upgraded the c1 to cl.
Loved the Connie but light fighter pirates nipping at those engines was a bummer. Zeus seems like a better buy for me. Thing like hull armor and a Connie update might change my mind in the future. But right now it’s Dorito Space ship time!
Out of atmo the Taurus should be faster and more maneuverable due to the vectoring thrust of the main engines, even in atmo it should have better pitch and yaw but maybe not roll since the cl probably has stronger control surfaces due to the wingspan, Zeus might be faster in atmo due to less drag the Connie is kind of fat.
ths spirit is more aerodynamic than the connie but its still faster in atmo
Connie has an insane level of firepower and a s3 shield, but it handles like a boat and the engine necells tend to explode off the ship in combat which is not great. The Zeus is a size down (more warp point access) has great cargo storage for a ship it's size, probably handles a lot better and all weapon sizes vs the Connie are reduced by one size / pilot only has access to 2 s4 hard points (turret separate). Honestly, I'm super excited for the Zeus variants.
With the development of new ships, the design flaws in earlier models are beginning to show and we'll likely see a reworked and certainly a rebalance once all the ship mechanics are finally completed. The mismatch on these two isn't too bad. The Connie still has some major benefits, the zeus CL certainly caters for a more elusive/defensive approach ... owners of each won't be disappointed. Good talking points!
I kinda want a ship around 250-300scu. ... Something between the giant C2 and the Taurus.
Railen, caterpillar
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Bought the CL: Better atmo. flight, lower profile, better visibility, better tractor placement.
I'm just going to say this.... The Zeus variants are, and will forever be under the Connies. In pretty much every way. They "the Connies" are literally the big brothers of the Zeus. Look at the pricing. Tractor beams, shields, weapons and everything else will be updated to show this.
It's all good, it's a cool comparison, but comparing the Zeus to the Connie is literally like comparing the the Freelancer base to the Freelancer MAX... Food for thought.
Again, cool comparison and tbh I'd like to see an Aquila vs the Zeus ES too. I just want watchers to know that the Connies are a tier over the Zeus variants. Not next to them and definitely not under.
What I'd love to see is the Freelancer Max being reworked to a point where it competes with the Taurus. That ship could earn at least another 25 scu if they rework it nice, and more if they give it a bit of a size increase but not too crazy. I'd love to see my big ugly bertha get back on the map along with the Taurus.
Cool vid but the showdown is connie vs corsair neither of which are getting though pyro portal at the moment Zeus really don't have any competitors
I went with the Taurus because of that shielded cargo bay, if the CL has one then I will melt for it.
i suspect the CL won't have a shielded cargo bay
all that cargo concearn with the shielded bay with 6 SCU..... you have all the elevator bay with the tractor beam, but the focus is on the 6 SCU you cant access. Also the Taurus have a S3 shield as other Constellations, idk what site youre getting that information, but its wrong.
Mk2 has 4 main thrusters. I think you said 2 main thrusters. I would assume the MK will be half the weight of the Connie, The arrow dynamic of the MK2 should make it more manurable in ATMO. but it is all speculations.
The Connie eventually will be the best ship after a rework. By then everyone would have sold one, then there will be a mass buy lol. Im a Zeus fan, even though it doesn't have the fire power.
Connie has better firepower and shields if you care about that. Zeus will fly better though. Connie could also use a rework at some point. We won't know how they stack up for a year or so at least. Plenty can happen till then!
I don't think there's much of a comparison, the Taurus is much larger, more cargo, much more firepower. If money is not the issue I'd just skip the Zeus CL altogether, and they are not that diferent in pricing - unless you want those sweet sweet looks. While the Zeus sound great, I feel at this moment when you can warbond the C1 for USD 110 (including CCP) it's kinda in a limbo of cost-benefit between it and the Taurus. If anything the Taurus is too much of a good deal to allow other USD 150+ general purpose/cargo ships to be enticing.
Where I think the cost benefit is in favor of the Zeus is the ES variant - a USD 150 ship x a USD 315 (connie Aquila) makes a LOT more sense even if the lower stats, and the fact that the Freelancer DUR is USD 135 makes it sound on the cheap side (yeah, ignoring how ridiculous saying that about over 2 AAA full game price for a digital ship).
Or course, in case interdiction becomes a great mechanic the MR may become a great option too, and it has the best looks of all 3 - but until it is correctly implemented cargo space is what matters, and that's why I upgraded my MR I got for impulse (with a LTI pack) into a Taurus some days ago.
got the zeus
The reason I don't fly the connies is that the interior sucks and needs an update badly. Also, the gun mounts are locked at size 4 due to the pucks.
Love my Taurus. So versitile.
Fleetyardsnet seems to be not up to date at all!
Connie has 1 size 3 shield and if that stays like that, there is no real competition between these two ships. The Zeus is more of a competitor to the Freelancer Max (poor Freelancer).
Please do some more research for these kind of videos, the difference between size 2 and 3 shields is so huge right now, it can easily change the whole conversation.
People need to be careful talking about 4 x size 5 mounts as the last time I checked, you can’t fit size 5’s to the bottom two mounts on the Constellations as it obstructs the landing gear, still having two is better than none, but two isn’t four. Can you also clarify where you believe the tractor beam is located on the Taurus? It looked like you were pointing to the wrong place
Why compare the Zeus mkii cl against the Constellation Taurus?
It should be compared to the freelancer max as an direct comparison.
The Zeus series compete with the Spirit, Freelancer and Cutlass.
The Constellation series competes with the 400i and the MSR.
Compare with like.
128 scu vs 172 the taurus wins, i do want another ship that can compete with the taurus in the 170-210 scu range
Railen concept is about 300 SCU according to existing stats. It's a $225 pledge, so its $35 more than the Taurus for about double the SCU.
@blindmown I wonder if the Connie will grow in size (and price) to be a more direct competitor to the Railen?
The Connie currently has 1 S3 shield because it is suppose to be heavily armored. When that system comes online it should switch to 2 x S2 shields but will have thick thick armor to get through before you damage anything so it should be a more durable ship in the future.
I do agree that the shielded area should be easier to get to though. If they took the snub then that should be converted to a smaller drop down cargo floor so you can get to it from the outside.
Taurus and zeus cl are only somewhat similar in cargo space, everything else is very different. Thats because of their respective roles and thats fine. To me, the most important distinction/summary is:
taurus is buffer and more about cargo/combat, but ugly! and the cargolift is hmpf.
The zeus is beautiful and the ramp more convenient for vehicle gameplay and daily driver.
The CL is easier to load. That alone should save time and time is money.
The zeus is not intended to ve compared to the connie series;
The connie has way more health, is 50% bigger, large pilot guns, and much larger cargo when compared to the zeus contemporaries.
You SHOULD be comparing it to the freelancers, cutties, and spirit's, its intended competition.
Taurus is better in every way right now
The connie is pretty outdated and will obviously get a once over, but its got twice the shields more than double the dps, holds more cargo, and has the lill sneaky cargo. The tractor beam is probably one of the best placed in game and can function perfectly with the same crew as the CL.
Personally I think the Zeus is a cooler ship but on paper the Taurus takes almost every catagory.
Connie has 4 size 5 hardpoints but 2 of them are forced gimbal to size 4.
I think that was due to the landing struts
@@kon-lun-os-kuh-pee571 Yes, another example of the Connie being an old design with quick-fix compromises. Where to put the tractor beam? Meh, stick it in the manned turret (same with the scanner on the Aquila). Not enough ground clearance for the S5 guns it was originally intended to have? Force them to be a size smaller. The Connie has been the ship I've wanted to love since 2013 but it it's always had design issues because it was designed by a guy who does TV space ships before CIG had any real idea what they were doing in terms of ship metrics and practical in-game functionality.
Zeus all the way
Engines is reason I hate the MSR. I can't look at that backside with those small engines while Ares and Spirit have this amazing ratio between engines and ship size.
I also might say goodbye to connie. I dislike the min crew size of 3. If thats based on engineering it's a pain to solo fly it probably when engineering arrives.
The Zeus isn't a competitor to the Taurus right now because it's severely undergunned for the crew req, carries less/smaller, less durability, less utility. If the Zeus wasn't so severely undergunned for its size and crew and is never a "better" option than other ships + an escort. When the Connies get their full rework and improve even further, this gap will widen even further. The Zeus desperately needs a firepower jump up, right now it's toothless and will just be a very easy mark for pirates.
The Connie, and the Corsair fly like frozen turds shot out of a potato gun. It's why I went MSR. I bet the Zeus will fall somewhere between those ships in terms of handling which wouldn't be terrible. Keeping the MSR.
When has CIG let engines dictate logic? Not being mean, but as a cat owner I'm still salty over how slow it is with those massive 4 engines.
Tarus> Shields, firepower, cargo, utility, actually exists in game right now....
Zeus???
yeah fam ur right the zeus is totes better...
joking aside ill give u the door issue, yeah they should make it larger and have a "stay open" button for the door
Personally, the connies are all so old, such an early design that i dont think id fly them. CL all the way.
Bigger ships with more mass should be slower. Aero Dynamic smaller ships should be faster and more maneuverable. Just because a 16 wheeler has a bigger engine vs a Pickup Truck doesn't mean it will go faster. Sorry but the Zeus should be faster then the Taurus being the Taurus has way more guns then the Zeus. So it means a Taurus would just chase down and Kill Zeus all the time.
Taurus design for 2 people ,
Nope, not in the slightest. The Connie can have eight forward facing guns, the Zeus only has six. The Connie has 3x the EHP. The Zeus is the new, much better Cutty, its not a replacement for a Large ship when its only a medium.
Taurus only has 6 forward facing guns.
do you even know who connie is?
Not gonna lie, I straight up bought the ES and the CL right after the Con ended Sunday. Don't matter to me if CIG changes the stats on them or not. This ship just looks too damn good! Take my money CIG!!
first comment first like!
So you liked the video before watching it? lol
Nah the Taurus is much better....
man this you option not fact quit talking crap
it is an option as stated by the words "i think" and "i feel like" "think this this would be better" stop being a clown