Suboxone Addiction - How To Taper Off
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I am not a doctor or professional in the field of addiction. This is just my experience and opinion. Always consult with your doctor before making changes to your medications.
I'm sharing with you my love/hate relationship with Suboxone and how it worked for me. There is a very specific mindset that must be cultivated to make this happen, but it most certainly can and does happen! If you're feeling stuck where you are at and feel like you'll never be able to make it happen, just know that if I'm able to do it, so are you!
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I finally got off after 10 plus years. And I’m happy to say it was a lot easier than I thought. But I prepared with an intense taper. But the biggest factor was I just finally decided I’m done. I worked 12 hour days during the withdrawals and it was rough, but I did it. If you have the right mindset and people supporting you, it’s much easier than you think ❤
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@@jennifercleland4852 people say it’s harder than heroin to get off of. It’s been 14 years since I kicked heroin but I still remember it. If you do suboxone properly it’s not that hard. Just a couple months of horrible insomnia, but could be worse lol.
Thanks . The more we make it a warrior event the more we build it up. I do it out of boredom
Hey Missy Lee I am Robert and I have been on it forever over more than 13 years I have been trying for years to get off suboxon from 321to 1/2then 1/4 plus doctor has me on Valium and Adderall I have stopped everything but the suboxon it's nearly impossible I have stopped many times then get sick can't work sleep function I give you all the credit in the world I feel like a shell of a person a ghost my doctor doesn't care I have asked him to help me get off it his answer was taper off I told him I have already done that his answer was prescribe another drug just what I need right I lost my wife and kids my first son 2005 second 2017 wife 2018 dad 2020other son disappeared after mother's death all are dead I have a daughter 14 that's what's keeping me alive but it's another messed up story one I won't mention life is a challenge and it seemed like I am always left out in the cold working myself to death or pushing to hard and getting injured or dead end job's that barley pay your bill's anyway happy for you good job
Glad to hear that. I'm down to 6mg a day after over ten years of daily use. It really hasn't been bad at all up until this point but I've heard several comments saying that getting down to this point is easy but then it gets REALLY hard. 😳
I hope they're all wrong🙏
I swear some doctors don't want you to get off suboxone. The money train
That's what it seems/feels like tbh!! Keyworker's reluctant to reduce, if so only by 2mg's! 3've said some stay on it until Death didn't help in hindsight.
@@bkid1776 get some CBG distillate it will ease the pain and release more opiates. I would also ask for them to prescribe a muscle relaxer to sleep, something like flexeril or gabapentin.
@@bkid1776 oxy isn't that hard. get some phenibut it will help you sleep and take some CBG along side with it. you can do it
@@bkid1776 i would recommend getting on flexeril for sleep but you said you are on lyrica and that is already a stronger drug than gabapentin. I recommend CBG because in theory cannibinoids help release more opiates and from what experience ive had with it does help but you must be in severe pain. i can only reommend maybe a few other medications other than buprenorphine and flexeril. maybe ms contin?
@@bkid1776 you need to tell them where the pain is coming from and that it's serious and that you can't function at all. theres always the street shit but its expensive and not worth throwing your money away on especially if you are a functioning pain patient
Well this Tuesday. I'm starting my tapering. It's a 45 day taper. I'm scared shitless. I was a junkie from 1989-2017. Please pray for me everyone..
How are you making out?
@@glowil7883 hey thanks for caring. It's actually going very well. I've stayed right on schedule... I deeply appreciate you asking,that keeps me focused...
And now? How are you doing? Hope all is well ❤
@@slister45 hey Susan thank you for checking in.. things couldn't be any better.. my tapering is going as planned.. im down to quarter..I've got plenty of subs stashed back if I have to strength out a little longer..I haven't really had any issues.. I stay busy I work Alot. The man thing is stay focused and get the bad stuff out of your life... I was a slave to Suboxone for years. At the same time it saved my life... Time to get my life back... Really appreciate you checking in with me. Nobody gives a crap about my success and I understand that. It makes me happy when people check in with me. Keep checking in on me. Soon I want to say I beat it. For good... There is absolutely no looking back...
@@slister45 hey thanks Susan. That inspires me to do good and stay on track... Really appreciate the encouragement 😊 yes I've heard of kratom. I haven't personally tried it but they say it helps. But they also say it's highly addictive. I'm not sure on that. Keep pushing girl.. I didn't realize you were going through the same thing as me.. we can encourage each other...
I took 2 MG per day for 4 years quit cold turkey no tapering just done with the shit. Its been 18 days and still having waves of pretty severe withdrawl. Insomnia, restless legs, no energy, mood swings, sweats, chills. Completely sober is the best life ive had and cant wait to get back to that and feeling better
Hope you’re doing well man. It is the best life to live and it’s worth the struggle to get back there
@@drugaddictsflyhi thanks man Im doing great. On 2 months plus now. Still.not sleeping well and restless legs but everything else is coming back. Thanks for sharing the video was really going through it pretty bad when I came across it and it helped.
@@markosborne2663 Great to hear and I'm glad the video helped! Once the restless legs and insomnia subside, you'll feel like a new human.
@Tom Powell I am doing great Havent taken any medication of any kind since July 31st and its now the end of February. You can do it. Its not easy but its worth it. Im so glad not to be relying on any kind of medication to get through day to day life
@@DownHom3 that’s were I jumped off at 4mg stopped the 28th so it’s been only 3 days hopefully all this withdrawal’s goes away soon.. but worth doing! I was never addicted to opioids.. I got on this crap after my motorcycle accident.. he sent me to a pain management clinic I was on per 10’s and told the clinic I was done with them.. but he said I just can’t quit! So he put me on this Suboxone and 4 1/2 years later past! It really has changed me! I was a happy love going places with the family to staying at home but really motivated to do anything! Just didn’t care! So I had to quit feel like life’s passing me by and my wife and kids are growing and getting older and I’m in this fog! But hopefully within 3-4 more days it starts slowing down on withdrawal’s but if I can do it anyone can!
I was on sub for 13 years. I was on 2 mg for a few years. My first taper I went from 2mg to 1 mg, I stayed on 1 mg for a month, then went to .5 for 3 weeks then jumped off. The first taper sucked a little, then to .5 wasn't too bad. I figured jumping off would be about the same. But the first 9 days were pretty rough, but still went to work everyday. I'm now on day 20, and I feel pretty damn good now. Still not 100% but definitely doing good. It's worth it to get off, and you can do it!
You can take half of one after that long and straighten right out. You're not going to get hooked on the half or even one. It's going to stop what you're going through right now and then no more. Talking from experience although every one is different.
God bless you 🙏🏼✝️
@@LIZZIE-lizzie 🤣 yeah I don't think so. That's the shittiest advice you could ever give someone.
I'm glad to hear that. I've been on for over 10 years. Started at 24 a day then 16mg for several years. Then 12mg for awhile. I'm down to 6mg a day and still feel fine but I've heard so many people say that getting to 2mg or less is when the hell starts but I've also heard so many people say they still went to work every day and made it through it so the withdrawals can't be that bad. Three withdrawals that I used to have made it impossible to do anything at all so if I'm still able to go to work then they must not be as bad.
I think the hardest thing for anyone is just going to ZERO. People think their withdrawals won't be the same as the next person if they were taking less but getting high is getting high regardless of how much your habit is you know? Going to zero is gonna be a challenge no matter what I think. But I'm strong and I've made it through many extremely hard times in my life. I'll make it through this as well. 🙏
@@DavidMccallister65 its not all that bad, and it's definitely not hell. It's going to be a few uncomfortable months depending on how fast you go. The jump off is the worst, but I jumped off at .5mg. I still went to work everyday, was just cold and low energy, and my sleep was a little off. I'm 64 days off, and feeling much much better. You can definitely do it!
@@mattbortz10that’s good to hear how long were you on subs I just started on them after being on methadone 60mg 1mg xan per day for over 15 years. The Er started me on 24mg for the 1st day and the withdrawal was the worst then i went back to the ER and they gave me 8mg per day? From 24 a day to 8mg a day I don’t get it? But the last 2 days I’ve actually had some good sleep the other 4 days I slept like 4-5 hours in 4 days it’s been a rougher week. Hope you’re doing great still. 🙏
3 weeks off Suboxone after 10+ years. Take your time tapering. Weed and Ibuprofen helped me enormously. So did starting to work out while still on Suboxone. Pump up your dopamine! Good luck to all those yet to start their journey to get off and get clean! Never give up giving up!
I’m so proud of anyone who beats this
I was on it for 13 years and jumped off at .5mgs. I was pretty sick for about 9 days, then things slowly got better from there. Now being 3 months off, I feel so much better!
Thanks for sharing your experience. That gives me hope. I've been on for over 10 years now and I took 24-32mg everyday for the first year or two and would be running out early and all that crap but then I stopped abusing them and took 16mg for probably 5-6 years which was still too much. But then I went to 12mg for a year or so and then one 8mg strip for a year or two. Now I'm down to 6mg a day and it's starting to get harder to drop the dosage but I know that I can do it.
I was just afraid that like I literally couldn't do it physically because I've been on it so long and I was afraid that I've permanently altered my brain and I'd die without it or have to take it for the rest of my life but hearing that you quit after 13 years gives me more confidence and peace of mind.
Blessings to you my brother🙏
@@DavidMccallister65 If i ben using subs for a week and half 8mg will it be bad getting off it or since I haven’t ben on it long it shouldnt be a problem ? Plz some one respond
Ppl said that also about heroin, that it didn't matter how much orhow little you used regularly, you felt just as horrible weaning or quiting!😮
Ps you think your gonna feel bad for ever… but it’s ALL TEMPORARY ❤
I was on pain killers for a long time. Around 12 years. Vicodin, norcos, percs, oxy, pretty much anything I could get. I knew I had a problem and finally went to an addiction doctor and was prescribed suboxone. My doctor warned me that it’s highly addictive and many people take it the rest of their life, so my goal was to not let that happen. I started at 16 mgs a day and wanted to immediately begin to taper off. After a few months I dropped to 12 mgs. I was at that amount for a few months. Then 8 mgs for a few months. Then 6 mgs for a few months. When I got down to 2 mgs I started using the strips instead of the pill cuz they’re easier to cut in half without turning into powder like the pill. The last dose I was down to was 1/4 mg for a couple weeks before quitting. It took me 2 years but I’ve been off over a month and haven’t had horrible withdrawals. There were some but they were tolerable. I think if you choose to go the suboxone route you need to be determined to lean off and not get stuck on a high dosage for a long time.
I agree! I microdosed subs to help me get off the opiates and I didn’t have barely any wd! The first 3 I started with a quarter strip in the morning and a quarter in the evening. Then I went to just a 1/4 a day for 3 days then an 1/8 for like 2-3 days then nothing. I did have a super hard craving one day so I took another 1/8th but after that I never touched it again! I was so done with having to do a drug to function that I made damn sure I didn’t get addicted to the sub! But it’s all mindset and you gotta want to be sober more than you want to do drugs
That's awesome! I know you don't know me, but I'm proud of you.
I'm two years off subs this march 18th. Let me assure you, it still haunts me to this day what I went through. The addiction doesn't quit when you do. Get your vitamin C, Methyl B complex, trace minerals all of them in water and your fat Soluble vitamins EDK stay away from A unless it's cold liver oil without tocopherol in it and ride the lightning. Took me 6 months to get back to normal but that drug depletes every single thing you need to feel ok as a human. I lost my teeth and my sanity eventually from Suboxone. Then came the kratom and that wasn't too bad just hard to stay stopped. My heart goes out to anyone going through this.
i’m tapper if off the kratom now did the same thing for the subs and i know exactly what you mean, it pretty much ruined my life getting off subs , do to not only just feeling like death but the not sleeping was the worst torture in the world
I feel you man, i stopped taking suboxone 4 months aggo and still going trough hell at night. I can't wait for it to be over, i'm going crazy rn.@@nexus6163
Did the vitamins help at allllll??? I’m trying soo fucking hard, I’ve tapered down to a quarter a day and that was horrible but now I’ve cold turkey the last 3 days (ive been on subs for6 years) and this is the worst shit I’ve ever felt how long did it take body wise before you felt better? I can handle the anxiety and depression part it’s just my energy and everything my actual body is going through that is literally beyond miserable. At this point I need a list of vitamins or supplements or something to help this. My actual “addiction “ was short lived (less than a year) but the doctors pushed me to suboxone and it has literally ruined my life I just want to be off of this shit my doctor pretty much coned me into this shit never telling me I’d withdrawal worse from this and I was young and dumb and thought if the doctor said to than the doctor was right. Please any advice anyone can give I’m alllll ears 😩😭
So many ppl who have been on subs have lost their teeth! There's even been a few class action lawsuits, including one going on now, bit they require all your past dental records for past ten-twenty years! Good luck with that; they look for reasons to disqualify ppl
Yeah, I was a long term pain management patient after multiple back surgeries. When I finally went to treatment in 2011 they prescribed 24mg per/day of Suboxone as well to help “treat” my opioid dependence. It took approximately 2 years of slowly tapering on my own terms to finally jump off after reaching 0.5 mg/day.
I’m on day # 20 and finally clean from all prescription drugs, but it has been brutal. All I can say is cannabis has helped me tremendously throughout this whole ordeal despite what most people will think of me. Anyone struggling with opiate addiction, please know you can get off for good even though it might seem impossible today. Just take it one step & day at a time and remember to keep breathing.
Were you using the film? and if so, did you cut it half to reduce your dose?
Day 20 great effort keep it up you got this
Cannabis is always with me when I a going thru opiate wds.
If you smoke marijuana for the first 10 days of detox it's going to make the Suboxone stay in your system longer you have to wait out that 10 days only use blood pressure medication magnesium and calcium trust me instead of it being a couple weeks of true hell you will make that s*** stay in your system for a month or longer I love my weed but I did a lot of research just don't do it
Marijuana seems to amplify my wd's
Started taking Subs in January of 2011 at 16mg a day up till March of 2021. Tapered down to 2mg and that is definitely the sweet spot. 16mg down to 2mg is a cakewalk. 2mg to 0mg is absolute hell but is possible. You have to be mentally prepared to just do the damn thing! I was in withdrawals for months. The daytime is ok but when nighttime comes around that's the true test. The insomnia from all the restless legs and sheer "pain" is the worst but is doable. I'm just over 6 months clean after being onn 16mg a day for over 10yrs and I feel great now. Anyone can do it as long as you have the mental fortitude to get off those damn things.
Thanks for sharing I've been on Subs for over 3 years in been on 1mg for a while now and I hope to be done by January
Jeez this is what I’m goin thru. Thank you
Thank you I needed to hear this. Thank you
@@tinamears1613 you got this 👍
Couldn’t have said it better myself man
I've been on Subutex for over five years. I've been watching your videos to help me get through the past few days. I was on 2 mg a day for the past year before I quit all together on Halloween 🎃. It's now thanksgiving and my withdrawals are unbelievably tough. I'm a full time line cook, a single dad of a 4 year old girl,
trying to get through life pretending I'm okay when I've miserable on this medication. The buprenorphine has reduced me to feeling like a lifetime opioid casualty. The lack of support from my doctor and in general our current society, has made tapering and quitting buprenorphine nearly impossible. I thank you sincerely for your experience , and hope. I'm almost one month clean from buprenorphine and wanted to show my gratitude for your story. Thanks Austin.
Specifically, what kind of support would you like your doctor to provide? I’m a Suboxone prescriber and am interested in your reply.
@@tzipporahv3619 kick rocks doc. I'm free from your prison.......
@@tzipporahv3619 stop subscribing long-term Suboxone treatment. It should be a quick thing 5 days 7 days max start tapering after 2. More understanding and judging, more support in helping people come off of it instead of pushing more.
I’m 38. Been on for 7 years. I’m a single father of a 7 year old girl. I got diagnosed with atrial fibrillation of the heart. I think suboxone caused it. But now if I quit my heart will give out. I’m super scared to die and leave my daughter here alone. But I wonder if I quit if my heart would get better. 😢😢😢stuck between a rock and a hard place
You the man Henry
Great video! I went from 8 mg to zero in 9 days. I`m now off for almost 4 months. Physically it went fine, but mentally it is very tough still. I was on methadone for 10 years and Subutex for 10 years.
Would love to know how you did that …
@@ChristineCorey I prepared myself mentally for a long time. Subutex took a toll on my health and I was sick of it. It was do or die for me really. I just got to that point where I just couldn`t be on it anymore. I did check in to a detox facility for 3 weeks. They were great and I got some medications and vitamin protocol that helped me a lot. What is your situation?
How many Mg of methadone were you on ? I been on 60mg of methadone and 1mg of xan for over 15 years just curious on how much you were using before you went in subutex I just started on subs and I don’t want to be on these for years like others. This past 5 days have been the worst withdrawals ever insomnia etc I hope to hear from you
@@svtkilr I was on 110 mg methadone and 4 mg of xan. I quit the xans first though. Tough as hell. I actually went of methadone using amphetamine, pills and a little bit of alcohol. It actually went pretty smotth and I felt better after a week, and I should never have gotten on an opiate after that,. I was stupid though and started using Subutex after a few weeks. I regret that so much. The 10 years I was on that had such a big toll on my health and well being. I think I just got to that point where it all was enough and i just quit. I was clean on all other meds and drugs the last 6 years on subs so I didn`t have to worry about other addictions. Have you looked into Ibogain treatment? That was my plan B.
I commented before I was sober. Now I’m 4 weeks off strips. I’m tired! My body feels heavy! I’m sneezing like I’m dying and my nose runs and eyes water. But I did it! It was more awful than I could have imagined. Makes you wish you just got off opiates. But your video helped me get off and my mind is much more peaceful and my energy already at 4 weeks is fighting to come back. Thank you for your video.
Thank you so much .. I’m on 1/10 mg ,shave a little off stage... definitely feeling it hard. But I want my emotions back . Aside from never sneezing lol sneezing I haven’t had a real up or down the entire four years I’ve done sub. I’ve felt like a very dull old man . And I’m just turning 25. I want Michael back . Thank you for sharing your experience, it means a lot. And best of luck continuing you’re journey.
@@kimmysplayhouse how long were you on Suboxone?
@@kimmysplayhouse thank you for for letting me know. I was going to go down from .25 to .12 but just went off completely. 4-5 rough days but but day 6 physical symptoms were pretty much gone. They came back a little on day 9. Today is day 12 and just dealing with some depression not to bad. I went for walks during the real rough 4-5 days and continued to lift weights and eat healthy. Ive been taking Magnesium Glycinate for the last 3mos of tapering worked well. Thank you again.
They deffinately don't want you to stop ... I was addicted to suboxone for years .. they always said don't just stop so I never ! Was given the monthly injection after years of tablets after 6 months I never went back and felt better almost immediately as I was finding the side effects were worse after years of taking it than the withdrawls ... slept like a baby from day 1 I'm months clean and still dealing with problems caused by drugs but overall much better not taking it !! They don't make money if you stop !
It’s that the sublocade injection your talking about?
8 yrs . Ive managed myself from the largest dosing to now only a quarter piece once daily. Roughly 2mgs every 24 hrs. Ive taken myself off once before. Its a slow process but definitely can be done. People get too comfortable with this addiction. From pill mills to sub mills. Whos the biggest drug dealer in the world!!!!! This is a control method. Very important to find self and divorce the system.
Thank you. I have found the same. Extremely difficult to taper. After trying to taper numerous times with little success, I went cold turkey a few years ago and became hospitalized for a week. I made it 47 days Sub free but had to go back on the Subs on day 48. I could not believe how difficult it is to quit! Now no more cold turkey. It’s just so frustrating. Now I’m working the taper, daily and NIGHTLY!!! I was just so miserable. The misery of cold turkey is indescribable!!! I’ve been to hell and back trying to get off Subs and I’m STILL working on the taper, still…. I’d of given ANYTHING to have just gone to rehab for 30-60-90 days, six years ago. You’re a true inspiration!
You know be honest are you eating a s***** diet have you always had a shity diet and are you emotionally intelligent or not
Agreed brother! I hope you’re still doing well
@@drugaddictsflyhi going threw it now! I never had a addiction problem! I had a bad motorcycle accident and the surgeon but me on Perc’s after I was better from my leg surgery the doctor sent me to a pain management doctor he put me on the perc’s after about 8 moody told him I was done I wanted off well he was like you can’t just stop I’ll have yo put you on something else.. He told me subox had me on 16MG aday which I got up to after 3 years about 1 and a half well 2 weeks ago I just went from taking one in the morning and half in the evening to half in the morning and alittle strip off the other side in the evening it was rough on me mostly my stomach cramps! I’ve always had alittle digestive issues but nothing like I have now! After watching your video it may have something to do with mine I can’t wait to be completely off! It robs you of your life well it did for me I was in what my wife called it a hamster wheel I didn’t have any drive to do anything! Cut grass, just a small things are used to be a people person love going places but it isolates you! I can’t wait to get my life back!
@@cdpperformance2613 how are you now? Hope you are well.
@@cdpperformance2613how are doing now???
I was taking suboxone for about 7 years and I know the exact feeling you were talking about. I felt like a zombie like I wasn't able to be truly happy about anything. I didn't have emotions and I felt like numb. When I was tapering down a good trick I did was whatever dose I had I would rip it in half and take a dose in the morning and one in the afternoon. So instead of taking 2mg in the morning take 1mg and 1mg later. Do not jump off at anything over 1mg or you will suffer. I jumped off at 1mg and I didn't sleep for a week straight. I then drank a ton of kratom whenever needed and it got me through it. Kratom works for withdrawals 100%. My receptors were able to heal while drinking it too. After 2 weeks I slept all night and rls was so minimal
That’s awesome to hear man! The response I’m seeing to this single video shows me that I was never alone in my experience through it all. Did you get everything back you felt you were missing with emotions and drive? Those things all flooded in for me for the next couple years to follow and keep getting better
Thanks Mikey I am down to 0.5 day from 8. Been taking this over 10 yrs. The RLS is what kills me.
@@debwoods5834 keep at it Deb. You’ll get to zero and everything will get better
So you had one of the little pills and you broke it in half and did you take any supplements and are you a drive-thru eater or a good eater
@@jasonblack6142 no offense or anything, but it's impossible to tell what your trying to say or ask in any of your comments. I've seen 2-3 from you and none of them made any sense. Word your sentences better so people can actually understand and respond to what your trying to say.
This is the second time I've watched this video. It's very inspiring and motivational for someone like me who's trying to get off Suboxone. Thank you so much for posting this.
Absolutely. I’m glad you’ve found some value in it! I’ll still Sub and Opiate free. You can definitely make it happen! All the best to you
My second time too
@@drugaddictsflyhi May I ask if you have any tips for dealing for the body restlessness? It still prevents me from lowering my dose.
Also let’s remind people that 95% or more opiate addicts without suboxone/methadone-maintenance, will die from active addiction and relapsing when cold turkey. But I am proud of anyone who can get off everything and stay that way, for me I had up to 3 years twice “cold turkey sober” and was miserable the entire time and would relapse after years of sobriety and nearly die and lose my life. Now I’m on subs for over 2 years my life has never been better! Yes I sometimes feel a little zombie sometimes but for the most part I am the best I have been. I love the idea of being truly sober and able to feel but I have done that so many times and I always end up relapsing from the monkey on my back that never goes away. Subs take that monkey off my back. Idk I just hope everyone chooses the right path for them. Good luck to all.
Been on 20mg for the last 9 yrs. Thanks for the motivation bro, it’s time for me to make a change as well.
Michael Longo You bet man! If you want some help, let me know.
How's it going? Been on 6mg. 10 years now. Every morning I feel terrible and depressed from this stuff
Damn bro 20mg is allot! You didn't you don't needed that much even if you were doing allot of dope for years .I got off dope started using Suboxone. Less than 5 months I was clean and tapered off Suboxone. You got this bro just think about how much life is going to be better after. I started talking to girls again and taking them out. Smoking medical cannabis also helps. Good luck you got this!!!!! I wait most important part is praying I hope you believe in God because he's the only one that can help other than yourself
Wow that's a lot to be on for nine years I have been on it for around 10 or 11 years I'm supposed to take 16 mg a day but I take about a half a strip a day and can't seem to go any lower than that without feeling bad
@@trishahoward639 Most doctors have no idea how it works. And they dont want you to get off of it.
Im at the 2 mg and researching point myself .. I noticed at 8 mg I could go like 3 days without one , at 2 mg with in 24 hrs my knees start bouncing .. Restless legs( kick'n drugs) is the worst hell one can go through for me . I can stand that feeling . I wish ya"all the best 💮
You are right that restless legs is terrible..it affects my hips too ,I have to keep moving constantly to stop it ,but as soon as you rest for 2 minutes it's back with a vengeance..
If restless legs didn't happen it would be so so much easier
that's the half life as you go down it'll be more immediate withdrawals. I don't get the leg thing, I get insane joint pain and back pain where my herniated disks are.
I stayed at 2 mg for about a year. I just started taking 1 mg on alternate days and it took a week to notice a difference. I may have to fight harder getting down to 1 mg. It seems the difference between 1 mg and 2 mg is noticeable af. When I went from 8 mg to 4 mg. I literally couldn't feel a difference
I can help u with with that because i was same like u i don't even have that guts to quit my father said u r not that guy who have guts to quit sub but one doctor he helps me and it is really helpful because i know the pain 😢 we are suffering together
This was 2 years ago.. what sux is at this point I'm working on around 4 mg .. I dnt feel like the place I go is going to be much help getting me off these things. Seems like I'm always going back and forth. This is the first time I've really tried to stay at a half of a strip and no more . , can't do it to fast yet I'm tired of dragging this shit out as you can see two years ago I was dealing with this exact thing... Ugh , is it even possible to ever uncuff from this stuff!???! Sometimes I wonder 😭
You rock brother. 😢wish you were a dr. Worked in addiction for years. Tried to speak this truth but was suppressed. You just made my day.
This is one of the best truthful and inspirational encouraging videos on coming off suboxone I've ever seen and heard. I'm starting my taper today and this really helped me man. Especially since you got those pills which are nearly impossible to taper well with along with what you did when suffering in bed face the debt and what it's taking from you. God lead and bless ya man this really helped me and I am certain countless others. Addiction. Is awful and there's no easy fix we must walk thru the hell of suffering and eventually there will be true light and not the false light of the bandaid that is suboxone.
Thank you, Psalms! Much appreciated! I absolutely agree with what you said. Stay strong.. there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel!! Let me know how you're doing
Am off them soon 1.2mg from 16mg ,and working stil
How’re you doing?
Sooner or later taper or no taper ur gonna have to bite the bullet. And don't look back.
No disrespect man, but why trashtalk suboxone? It is a step towards sobriety, one that helped countless ppl. I am at 2mg/day and would choose that anyday instead of the f***n heroin
Suboxone is a life saver if you use it correctly and you can literally wean yourself off like a baby. I didn’t have this guys experience at all!!!!
You should be beyond thankful that you are one of the rare kinds that doesn't feel the shit most do. Not everyone has that kind of luck and it's a serious mental raping like nothing I've experienced before personally. Any thing is possible if you want it bad enough tho
I’m glad you didn’t!! Hope all is well!
@@drugaddictsflyhi If i ben using subs for a week and half 8mg will it be bad getting off it or since I haven’t ben on it long it shouldnt be a problem ? Plz some one respond
Congrats brother. I tried quitting once before and the PAWS killed me. I'd like to give it another go.
Thank you Sean. Get yourself good and prepared to mentally combat the physical sickness we experience through that journey. Once you cross that elusive threshold, things will begin to get better and better. Wish you all the success brother.
Very good description of withdrawl from suboxone
I agree mostly.
I went from 16 to 1mg/day in a month or so with very minimal effects.
However now after months of 1 mg/day ive noticed withdrawal symptoms creep up quicker now.
Will post a video of my experiences with maintenance meds soon.
What are you going thru any advice?
i totally get that! its like a day with out dosing and you start getting sick huh! for me it starts with getting lose stools then those tingles and kicking in my arms and legs, then anxiety,
Great job! I had no problem getting down to 2 mg but I am struggling alternating 1 mg and 2 mg. My goal now is to be at 1 mg. Once I get there I will stay there until I feel ready to taper more. I started on methadone but have been on suboxone almost 3 years now. I do notice alot of things that were supressed are returning.
It’s crazy the huge doses that doctors put people on. 24-32 mgs a day is soooooo excessive and unnecessary and, in my opinion, setting you up for a very difficult road. Maybe 2 strips a day for the first few DAYS just to get comfortable and functional and then straight to one a day. It might be a little tough. It’s enough tho. I genuinely believe you should be at 4 mgs a day after a week or two. Might be a little uncomfortable but it is enough and it’s worth it later. I think it’s also a good idea to get in the habit early on of dosing once a day in the morning as opposed to morning and night. Get your body used to that longer stretch between doses. Likely has a positive impact on the mental side as well. But anyway. Enjoyed the video man. Glad you’re doing better!
Best comment on here, dude
Thank you making this video and being so honest. I’ve been on suboxone/subutex since I was 18, so 10 years now. Hearing you talk about you getting off is SO encouraging for me to hear. Congratulations!! I know how insanely difficult it can be. Thank you for sharing your experience and being a light for ppl like myself!!
Why tf were u
On subs at 18?
@@Heopful I was an IV opiate user from 16-18 and it was severe (hence IV use). The suboxone did save my life but I wish we could’ve afforded for me to go to an inpatient rehab of some sort instead of going the MAP route.
Hey man just checking up on you, I’ve been on Suboxone for about 5-6 years now and I just want to stop taking this stuff I’m on 8mg but I make that strip last 2-3 days I keep telling myself try a whole week but I can’t it’s the habit I’m tired of taking it.
@@biglou76 I feel you! I’ve been on the 100mg sublocade shot the past 3 months, trying to build it up in my system like they suggest and then just stop getting them. They say it should slowly exit your system with minimal WD. I expect it not to be easy but definitely better than cold turkey. You can do it man!! Just keep taking baby steps in the right direction.
@@jaynaysay1273 wow I was just thinking about that shot this morning, and then I read your comment. Thank you and other than the suboxone I’ve been clean now for 7 years the first two years were hard but I don’t think about getting high anymore. I want to get off the suboxone for good.
Suboxone literally changed my life, from similar what you said on the beginning, a human wreck to fully functional individual, father, with a good job, repaired most of the things I was destroying for years, and I was on 10mg max
This is similar to what I went through w doctors etc. doc didn’t care to take me off. Had to push myself. Finally I gave up on doc and tapered down. NEVER was a good time to stop sub. I’d have terror or depression, fog, inability to move arms and legs etc and could never just get fully off. I’m now just dragging through my week w work and kids etc w out it because I’ll never find a good time. It hurts! And it’s exhausting but I’m proud and sure it will be worth it.
2mg daily seems to be my sweet spot as well. Im finally down to 0.5mg daily. In 3 days I will stop dosing completely and fight through this. Im tired of being tired. Its now or never. 🙏
Thanks so much for sharing your story!
It is now 49 hrs. Since i was took my last dose legs are hurting back is hurting but one day we have do this why not now because how long u will take sub the long withdrawals we will get i started sub in 2020 but now enough now god will help us
I was on subs for 5 years after around 10 year opiate habit. I tapered down to about about 2mg, then started taking kratom. I had withdrawals everyday for 42 days straight but they were manageable. You probably won’t sleep for at least the first two nights maybe more. I got addicted to the kratom for about 2 years (doing about 50 capsules and an extract shot everyday). I was at my rock bottom so was talking to a friend and he gave me an 8mg sub pill broken into 10 pieces. And I took one of the pieces everyday( almost 1mg) with mega dosing lipinsomal vitamin c (3000-5000 mg) every couple hours on top. That’s how my 15 year addiction stopped. Got off pretty much pain free. My emotions are messed up sometimes and still have occasional muscle aches but it’s been over a year now and feel a lot better. There’s hope, just keep trying and figure a plan that will work for you.
OH WOW ENCOURAGING. THANK YOU SWEETHEART
Do you know where I could get the sub pill. Please help THANK YOU
@@bkid1776 hey I’ve been trying to figure this out myself I just came off of Subutex seven days ago maybe six and I have been supplementing with hydrocodone/tramadol did it work for you? Where are you now I’m on day seven and I didn’t sleep last night for the first time. Any suggestions or advice
@@johndrax4174
Hey Bro , if you can get some Gabapentin it will help 100% with withdrawals. I hope you are still going strong !
Suboxone saved my sister’s life! Medication is different for everyone. It safe and legal and you can function as a human being.
This is true and I totally understand as someone who's been extremely successful on it for over 10 years
BUT
The point is, she's still getting high and if she was unable to get it anymore she'd be in alot of trouble and pain and that's why it's ultimately not a good thing for us. We shouldn't be physically or emotionally dependent on any substance in order to function. The goal is to be just as happy, healthy and successful completely sober. 🙏
I have tapered long and slow and now sit at teetering from .5mg to .25mg every other day.... It was easy until I got below 1mg... then I would notice my sleep was messed up and was waking sick. Im just dealing with it and plan on jumping end of the month. Gotta be headstrong and see Sub as the enemy to stay on schedule and keep at the low dose. Thanks for this vid🙂
Thanks for putting your current situation out there Sunny S. I hope you're well! Let me know if you want help getting through it. I'm here to tell you it's absolutely possible! I'm almost 8 years off the hard drugs and over 2 years off the subs. You got it man
@@drugaddictsflyhi I said I was gna do it and I did! Im over 50 days off that nasty poison. Thank u for all ur vids and inspiration. It wasnt easy but the power of the mind and determination is supernatural🙂👊
In reality jumping from 1mg or .25 really makes no difference. You are going to be sick no matter what accutely for about 8 days and you will suffer from some form of anxiety and sleeplessness for 6months to over a year. Most people who taper below 2mg do it for too long thinking suffering through the taper will make those 8 days easier.. It may but its not worth suffering for 2 months just to make those 8 days 10 percent better.
@@devinmichaelroberts9954 good to know. Jumping from .5 in 8 days
Gotta be hardcore to win this fight
@@kimmysplayhouse hey, how is it going. Did you jump off suboxone?
You’re definitely right about the sneezing .. before I wouldn’t sneeze now I have sneeze attacks like 4-5 times when I do
Yes it seems weird when you haven’t sneezed for so long
I'm 25 and I've been on suboxone for 6 years now.. was at 12mg most of the time, recently got down to 4mg but went back up to 6, now back to 5. Wish me luck, I need to get off this stuff, I'm way beyond ready
Right on my friend. You don’t need luck, you only need will and a desire to get off from it. Let that desire guide your way to a new life that you didn’t think was possible. May sound dramatic, but it’s not
You can do it. It’s hard, but so worth it.
@@paulaboynton8299 Thanks, really appreciate that. I'm at 2 mg right now, and have been for awhile, probably about a year, so I must've dropped about when I made this comment. Although, I have a ton of health issues going on right now, so I don't plan on tapering anymore at the moment, I have enough stuff on my plate right now trying to figure out my health issue. Hopefully, when we figure out what is wrong with me, I can start tapering again and officially get off. I appreciate the kind words and the motivation
@@drugaddictsflyhi Thanks a bunch. I'm at 2 mg right now, and have been for awhile now. If you saw my earlier comment, I have a ton of health issues going on, so I'm not tapering at the moment, as that'd only complicate things, but I plan to as soon as I get it figured out. Hopefully I can figure it out ASAP. Thanks for the push to get things moving and strive for the life I want
I think when you're talking about tapering off sub, it's not addiction, it's dependence. You aren't spending substantial money and hours trying to get an illegal substance in order to get the euphoria. You're just chemically dependent like anybody would be after taking something your body is used to. By the time you're talking tapering off suboxone, you're on the right path and it's just a matter of treating your body's symptoms.
I agree! Thanks for your input!
I think he said addiction specialist because if you get off too quickly it can cause relapse and that is what subs are for treatment of chronic opioid addiction
Yeah 18 yrs on 60mg daily of oxy. Gave me 16mg right off. After 10days I felt it was better for me to go down to half that 1 strip. After staying there for 9 months I started to want to stop. Felt confident that I wouldn't go back. I'm stuck @ my 1 yr mark @ 4mg daily. I found your channel the other day and makes sense now. Why I can go with the sliver method. I stocked up with 120 strips left, quit pain mgmt without telling them. This way I gotta get off. Forcing myself this way. I will use your chart to help. Thanks man! 😊 💞 😊
Good luck 🍀 keep me posted please!
@@sweetnsalty4602 keep me posted too
How you doing now?
I’ve many people say it was no problem but everyone’s different
I’m super sensitive but I’m now committed to getting off it
Thanks for your help here
It’s very much appreciated !!!
Same! Good luck 🍀
You are a HERO! Anyone who overcomes this ball and chain is a Fucking Rock Star in my eyes!
I got off in jail with no choice 65 days cold turkey 24mg to Nota . Then when I got out right back to the dr . Here I am 6 years later almost 13 years totally done man done . This video is helping luckily I’m only on 8mg atm . I am going to try cutting by 25% every 10-14 days even giving the pills to my trusted father to divvy out my dose every day to help me. I don’t feel I have the self control
Anything over 2 mg shouldn't even be prescribed.
I totally agree I feel that dose is more than sufficient
I was on 32 mg A-day 4 8 mg tablets a day definitely agree doctors get rich off of our Addiction they don't want you to come off Unless you have a really good doctor who's a really good person
That wont really work too good for a heavy addict. Not on day 1 anyways. But yes you're correct....my experience shows me that after you saturate it into your system, 2mg works. I've even had 1mg help alot!
Possibly 4. However you're pretty accurate with your assessment. Like dude said above though you need to start off higher. like 10 for the first 3 days.
You’re right
Been taking 6mg Buphenorphine a day for 6+ years (2mg three times a day)....Just started thinking about getting off....I never had any problems on the few rare times I had to go a day without taking any...as long as I would resume so I always thought "gee when the time comes I bet this will be alot easier than going through "Real" opiate withdrawal....and of coarse when My friend (who was trying to get off suboxone told me he was down to small pieces of a little 2mg paper...I would always tell him ..."Gee why don't you just "knock it off all together"...."it should be so easy at that low amount"....but now hearing what all you guys are saying...I'm starting to think I may have been sorely underestimating getting off the buphenorphine....Wow I had no Idea....I guess my big mistake was to equate it just like any other opiate habit...which I'm starting to think was very wrong
Yep
Thanx for this man, I’m in the middle of tapering off methadone and it’s so refreshing to hear some determination getting back to sober, congratulations buddy and scoot over in the sobriety zone cause here I come!
I love that you said it was a tough journey but it was worth it I needed to hear that. I am considering getting off soon and I am scared...
2.5 years later, I realize it was completely worth it! Life still throws curve balls but it’s awesome living healthy and with some control. Just jump in and get it done man!
Thank you so much for the hope, this has been making me suicidal I needed a success story. I have come down from 24 and now I am down to 12. I go down 2 mg at a time it is harder every time. I already suffer from severe mental health issues which I am medicated for but this stuff is no joke I’m scared I’m going to lose my life but this does give me hope
Yeah Suboxone will do that to ya. I'm In the same boat
All the best! Keep pushing forward
Hang in there Brother!🙏🏽
How are you now?
Just remind yourself that your brain is healing and rewiring and the depression and suicide thoughts and stuff aren't real. Time will pass and you WILL feel good again. I promise.
This is the most depressing video I’ve ever watched. I’m so glad that you got through everything.. some of the comments, below are fantastic!!! But my God, the way you tell the story It’s so very depressing. Try to inspire people tell them they can get their life back that they can do it. It’s hard, but it will be worth it.
I mean you no insult when I say this, rather to possibly just enlighten you. That being said; your comment sounds like one that someone who has never experienced a dangerous, active addiction would make. I totally understand what you’re saying about his melancholy demeanor and tone; but I know for myself decades of seemingly hopeless bondage affected my emotions on a very real neurological level. I experience, feel, and respond to emotions differently now. Having experienced life in that bottomless pit, I find it inspiring when someone shares their experience of genuine triumph over something that kills most people who make it their companion. After using the way I did, if I don’t say another word for my entire life me just being alive is miraculous. Anyway, nothing but blessings to you and yours!
Iv just started on Buprenorphine ,and comfortable at 4mg a day
I was taking tramadol since 2014 ,and was taking 500 mg a day ...
Tramadol is an absolute nightmare to get off of .
Cold turkey was horrendous withdrawal,restless legs from hell , sneezing 10 times on the trot ,aching bones ,no energy ,no sleep ...I tapered down from 500 mg to 200 mg ,but couldn't get any lower ...so as I say ,iv just started on Espranor (Bupernorphine)4mg ..
It's been 1 week and I take
2mg twice a day ...I feel ok on that ,but different to the tramadol..I'm actually not as anxious and got a bit of enthusiasm to do more ..The tramadol changed me to someone I didn't recognize any more,I now feel like the old me is starting to come back pre tramadol..
It's early days yet ,so I won't be tapering for a few months yet
Thanks for sharing where you’re at. Hoping you’re still pushing forward. Give us an update here as to your progress. Wishing you the strength to get through it!
There is absolutely no difference in the way you feel on 2 mg or 16. The only issue is are you through induction which is the process of switching from a real opiate to Suboxone. I was on 5 years before I forced myself to do quit. The issue is tapering the right way. The half-life of Suboxone is 33 hours. That means 33 hours after you took a dose half of it has left your body. Whenever you cut down stay on the lower dose for 7 days. That means you'll totally stabilize and adjust to the lower dose within 2.5 days. And if you cut it in small increments, you can experience the lightest withdrawal ever for those 2.5 days. Let's use an example, say your stable at 2mg. For 7 days you take 1.85mg. The difference is 90% imperceptible. The next cut down 1.65 for 7 days. Then 1.45 for 7. For the last couple weeks you'll get up in the morning and it's hard to take a smaller amount. So what I did was get 10 Tylenol 3s from my dentist and used those for 4 days and just stopped. I'm not certain what I did with the Tylenol 3s is a good idea for everyone. But I was scared to not take that imperceptibly little piece and decided that a final taper with codeine was an acceptable method to mitigate my fears. If anyone ever reads this and has a question I'll answer it
Hey brother, I really appreciate this more than you can possibly know, this is my current experience, I went from 16mg a day down to literally .5 a day and honestly, it wasnt hard to drop down, but quitting from .5mg to nothing, which seems like nothing, sent me into full blown withdrawal like nothing Ive ever experienced with other drugs. Im not sure what to do because I cant just take a month off of work to get through this and Im not sure what to do. Hearing this has been extremely helpful bro, thank you man. My faith is what Im leaning on here and I want to get out of this cycle of abuse.
Hello there!
My advice would be this: Skip days as many as possible, then take the minimum amount of subs, rinse and repeat!
Try experimenting with lowering the dose when the day comes, as well as try to stretch the days between doses further.
I hope it will work. Good luck!
Can’t you cut to .25 then .13 then skip days? Slowly but surely is best.
Vitamin C really helps
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everything you've said is 100% accurate. many will appreciate your video. too many people are still quiet about this when it's gotten worse than ever with the fet. families are still afraid to admit someone has a problem. doctors don't understand this part of the medication nor does it help the addict who wants help but is being treated medically wrong. suboxone 7day taper in rehabs don't work, thats why people relapse when they get out. that's not what suboxone is used for. suboxone is long term maintenance combined with therapy to learn how to be normal again, then start tapering slowly soon after the first high dose. this is where it becomes a problem with the wrong doctor that isn't monitoring it and then this happens like what you went through. 5-10 years of use. god bless, well said.
Also i subscribed you should keep doing these videos your raw honesty is rare and genuine
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll do more vids
You’re a strong kid wow kickin all night looking at your mountain of debt staying focused 😮 good for you man I really look up to that. There were some hellish nights in there I know that much
Suboxone was my worst choice ever. I could have quit with will power but these shackles are horrible. I was on methadone for about 5 yrs before switching to suboxone. Ever since it's a burden, I only used percocet as an addict so it just seems like an even worse drug to me. Feels so impossible man, I started at 8mgs and now have made it down to 2mgs. Not sure how long this will hold out but it's been over a week and doing ok so far
How are you now? I also went from methadone to subs. Want to try tapering off this soon now as well
I want to hear from someone whos done it and is NOT a doctor. Im sick of their BS! Thank you. I wish i would have only been on for a month a 2 and i wouldnt be in this mess
I went COLD TURKEY off 165mg of Methadone, and that didn't end well. Now I'm on 6 to 8mg of Suboxone, and don't think I can ever be completely sober...
How many years were you on that dose of methadone? I was at 60mg and 1mg xan for 15 years just started on subs 5 days ago and it was all bad the first4 days with withdrawals no sleep man it’s tough day 6 and I’m still sluggish and weak but running at 65% energy. I hope I’m not on this stuff for years.
A few years ago I was on Suboxone. At some point I started abusing other opiates, amphetamines and benzos all while taking the Suboxone regularly. I totally went off the rails. I went cold turkey and something was wrong with me all the way up until I was approaching year number two sober. I had crippling anxiety the whole entire time I was sober and somehow managed to work full-time and fake that everything was great. I couldn't take it anymore and I relapsed. I went on a 2 and 1/2 month run and then hopped back on maintenance. I somehow managed to hold on to my job and my relationships during that short run. It's been about a year of taking my medicine as prescribed and not abusing or taking any other medication. I plan on initiating the slow taper the beginning of this upcoming year but I will never forget that cold turkey withdrawal off all that stuff.
24mg saturates the receptors so heavily that anything over 10-12mg wont make much difference as far as the effectiveness goes. I've been on subs for 5 years now, I feel like such a loser but you're exactly right, there is NEVER a good time to go through "getting off". I was at 4mg for quite awhile and now back to 8. I found a nice taper plan online and I started that a week ago.
Hell yeah! Good to hear that. Stick with it, you’ll be so glad you did. I guarantee your life will look much different when you get on the other side.
Don’t feel bad Shawn . A lot of people are going through what you are just stay strong. I been on prescription meds and methadone trying to taper on and off for the past 10-15 years . The longest I was clean for3 years and had a relapse a couple years ago and been on methadone for the past year. I have kicked methadone from 7mg in the past and it was extremely hard but I was smoking alot of marijuana to help . It does ease a lot of the withdrawal symptoms but makes you lazy. I just remember having trouble sleeping from insomnia, extreme anxiety, body was tired for about 2 months before my body got back to normal functioning. Currently im on 8mg of methadone . Almost at the finish line . Hoping to be off by January. Still have my occasional relapse about once or twice a month I just gotta have the will power to stop those cravings
@@Soleprofit559 prayers man!! Same here
Wow, that sneezing thing is true! When you say it I'm thinking about it, I rarely sneeze. Strange
By far the best vídeo I saw
... all the best
Thanks!
Thank you so much for this Im going thru detox right now off Percocet your words and everything you've been through helping me a lot
Thank you so much for this video. Very helpful!
Absolutely! Hope you're well!
I’m trying to get off them now after 8 years. It’s terrifying. I gotta do it though. I’ve tried to get off them before but it’s so hard. Thanks for the advice.. wish me luck.
I'm feeling your pain and anxiety as I type because I'm almost 48 hrs of feeling like crap but hang in there because we have to go through pain in order to get stronger
It sucks but know you are not alone
For anyone struggling. Remember while a lot of your symptoms are definitely real, dwelling on it all the time is what makes it worse. Psycho-somatic symptoms are so real and can make the experience much more difficult. If you have enough medicine to do a really slow taper below 2 mg you’ll be fine. If you go 2 for a minimum of two months, then 1.75 for a minimum of 2 months, then 1.5 for several months!
If you are in a good spot financially, relationally, emotionally it’s not that bad honestly!
100000%. It is literally 98% your mind fuking with you when you’re down to .25 and less.
Congrats on getting free bud. You seem like a good guy. Sorry u had to go through that.
Methadone withdrawal only lasted me 4 days, idk why theyre using suboxone so much these day's. Seems very dangerous and addictive
I have learnt that 16mg and over of bupe saturates around %95 of mu receptors in the brain. And down to 2mg of Buprenorphine still saturates around %48 of mu opioid receptors.
So 2mg is still only about halfway of the taper, and still needs to be slowed down or withdrawals will come bad. I am down from 16mg to 4mg now, and in no hurry.
I went from 16 down to 8. Year later I started tapering again by subtracting 2mg and each time it was pure Hell. When that smaller dose seemed to satisfy I would wait a few days and cut it again. I got down to 1mg and then I cut up a15 day plan making them smaller and smaller down to nothing. It sucked. As the weeks went on, the symptoms just gradually got worse and worse. I eventually had a little relief from the symptoms and was able to sleep. But I was completely depressed and lethargic and exhausted all the time. Put tremendous strain on my relationship too. Eventually I went back to 1mg cuz I just couldn’t take it no more. And I’m staying at 1mg for a month. And I’m gonna try cutting it to 0.5mg for a month, and see where that takes me. This thing is like a curse. However I do believe if I hadn’t seeked out that doctor I’d probably be dead or in jail. Probably the worst mistake of my life
I've been on suboxone for 5yrs. I was opiate free for 6 months when i went to rehab. They told me i should take it. Im seeing a good doctor now. Gona start to get off.
Going thru the same thing. I’ve been on suboxone for about 5-6 years. I started going to the doctor almost 2 years ago. Started cutting slowly. Now I’m at 2mg and I feel it but it’s time. Sneezing yawning hot and cold.
Curious how you’re doing? I was on 8 mg a day for 12 years. Finally decided I can’t stand having this chain on me any more. I fairly quickly tapered down to 2mg a day. Leveled there for 2 months. Then continued slowly decreasing daily dose. The strips work really well for this because you can cut them up so small. I walked away on 1mg a day. It was absolutely horrendous. My withdrawals sucked just like you’d expect but worse I think. The physical part is the easy part BY FAR! What was hard was the prolonged insomnia anxiety & depression! Also, I developed almost immediately after quitting, premature ejac/(:&$! But all of those horrible battles were WORTH IT! You will get through it. Just tell yourself it’s going to be a hard couple months and the battle is not as bad as the chain currently around your ankle! Good luck! Life is waiting for you!
Just go to detox. If you don’t have insurance, do a tiny amount of research on local hospitals, find one that’s used medication, walk into the ER, say you are having thoughts of Suicide. It may be 3-7 days, but 100x easier than doing it at home. Sleeps meds, anxiety meds, meals, and therapy at a minimum. Sunrise detox in Florida was serving steak and shrimp, had massage, and a smoking area
my Dr prescribed 16mg a day 4days ago. I've literally just been taking 2mg 3times a day. I just got on the shit and already started tapering. a lot of restless nights and goosebumps but hell I'm committed to get off asap.
How are you doing now?
@@that_90s_chic21 gravy baby😃
Hopefully u got off. I wish I could go back in time and take subs no longer then like 4 or 5 days..
How are you doing now?
@@drugaddictsflyhi let me just say I still feel better then I used to.
There is a scientific explanation for that according to a doctor. He said 2mg can successful fill up your receptors, but anywhere from 2mg down is complete and utter hell.
I never sneeze either! I do hear everyone sneezes when coming off. I have to taper slow because of work. I sometimes feel maybe I would be better off on the subs until I hear videos like this one! Thank you!
Hi Laurie! What stage are you at now?
Recovery Accelerator Hi thank you for your reply, I am almost 3 weeks off subs. I’m kind of screwing up because I’ve been taking Kratom Two times a day, 2 teaspoons each. This morning I only took 2 teaspoons and that was it. My doctors gave me clonidine and gabapentin. Something made me feel dizzy and weird tonight. It might’ve been the clonidine. Because I only took gabapentin probably around 4 o’clock. And it’s now 921. What are your thoughts?
Laurie P just don’t go back on subs! I’m 40 days off and it’s finally starting to get better! Get outside and walk!
I never did either until I started not taking it. Sneeze like a mother
I would sneeze ALL the time. And the nasty part was it smelled metallic everytime
Dang, brother. What a nail-biter story. I was hoping you would make it and could feel the desperation and anxiety when you described your experience. What a hellish place to be. God protect you man.
It was a very hellish place to be. Thanks bro, I appreciate your words.
two tips to help anyone who finds this, 1. Use suboxone to taper only, use it for like 5 days at a time then deal with withdrawals for a few days then maybe take a small amount again for a day or 2 for a break, but do your best not to take it constantly. This is what I did and yeah it sucked, but it allowed me to partially withdrawal, and then drop into a second less intense withdrawal later instead of a super intense few weeks cold turkey.
2. A few months or half a year compared to still being on it 20 years from now is worth the trade. We all gotta pay for the sins we commit, this is just one of them. I had to, and what kept me going is thinking about how awesome christmas would be 2 or 3 years from now when I'm not having to get high to be present.
One last thing, this is likely the hardest thing you'll experience in your life. Take pride in that and remember it only gets better from here, a few months is all it takes. A few months of hardship, but in 5 years those few months will be a distant memory
How are you doing, now?
@@Killmaisy Hey! I'm doing pretty well honestly. I've been off of everything outside of the occasional (like once every other month) free stuff I may come across. I have been working out in the gym and have a kid now so I guess my life has shifted so far away from what I was going through then it feels like a distant memory. It's funny how fast that happens since I forgot I even posted this. but overall I have gotten to a point where I almost forget I ever lived like that. I feel well as if I had never done it now
That’s great to hear what were you on before you started subs and how long and how bad were the withdrawals ? I just stared subs after being on methadone 60mg and 1mg of xan for 15 years they gave me 24mg the first day in the ER and then 8mg per day when I had to go back again 2 days later because my Dr couldn’t get me in asap! I just don’t want to be on subs for years No Thanks!! I hope I hear from you 🙏
@@svtkilr Hey again, sorry for being slow to reply lol. I was on around 160 mg a day. I had been doing it for a little over a year at that level, but doing them for about 5 years at various lower levels than that. I think what worked for me was tapering slowly. Once a week I would drop down as much as I felt comfortable. The great thing about sub is you don't feel horrible instantly. You can kind of fine tune your dose and get to where you're just comfortable enough to be fine. To taper the fastest, you should get to where you're just barely comfortable enough to make it through each day, but not completely comfortable. That said, as long as you're reducing dosages each week by some amount, you're making progress. Everyone has a different timeline. My withdrawals without sub were horrible. Throwing up, constant sneezing, worst exhaustion and body aches. Worse than I can even describe. With the sub, I was able to maintain a slight body ache, sometimes random hot flashes of sweat (for the first week or 2 only), and slight tiredness and low mood as my wd symptoms. Those lasted for the majority of the taper because I was aggressive with it, but I did what I could stand to quit faster. As long as you're lowering your doses you'll eventually quit. You can have a "rest day" where you take a little more ONE DAY a week only if you need relief. I always saved that day as long as I could and used it as motivation to go a little longer, but only 1 day and then back to the lower dosage. If you genuinely can't stand the dosage you dropped to, then go up a little again, but always try to stay below your previous amount. Sub is meant to make it less painful to quit, not painless. Use it as you need to get to that goal.
Thank you for sharing your story. I believe this video will help so many people.
Thanks, I sure hope so!
god bless you my friend, you should be so proud of yourself ,youre alot more important than u may think.
I appreciate the kind words! We’re all a lot more important than we think 👍
Bro, that’s why he recommended taper. It’s a genuine concern to view a multi year taper as a long time, but the chance of beating it is much higher. The alternative is to risk going back to a high dose and lengthen the whole process regardless.
I relate to what you say when you say you would take a suboxone and feel good for a little while and then have to take another. Up and down , up and down all day long. It has killed my ambition. It's killed my life. I like your 60 day plan. I wrote it into my calendar.
That’s exactly my situation too. Ruined my life. I never felt this bad
Same here and I’m on 0.3 never took more than 1 or 2 ml
I'm starting to get worried. I've been on 8mg for about two years. My providers are always hesitant to start my taper, but I feel like I'm never going to fully realize my potential on suboxone. I got off a 2-year MAT treatment of methadone in 2017, and even after a very slow taper (with hardly any withdrawal, interestingly) the shift was so palpable. It was like remembering who I really was, and while life wasn't perfect, it felt like life. People really pushed suboxone after my relapse in 2020. I didn't want to do any MAT, no methadone, no suboxone. I didn't want to go through it again and potentially have a harder time getting off this time, but everyone told me suboxone withdrawals were way less severe than methadone. Now after being on suboxone for 2 years, I just feel that same neutered, wing-clipped version of being, and I'm hearing that it's actually really tough to come off of suboxone, maybe even worse than methadone because it's more drawn out.
How many years were you on methadone and what dose? I been on methadone 60mg and 1mg xan per day for 14-15 years just started on subs 5 days ago and it’s been a battle with the withdrawals still the ER gave me 24mg the first day and then 8mg per day when I had to go back because my Dr didn’t have any appointments available. I just don’t want to be on subs for years and years like a lot of People. The insomnia is the worst part I tell you. I hope you are doing great 🙏
@@svtkilr wait are you still on methadone and Xanax while being on suboxone too? I was on methadone for just under 2 years, highest dose I got up to was 150 or 160
Don't know about suboxone, but was on methadone for well over 10 years. The clinic i went to kept raising the prices. When i HAD to quit, it was 15 dollars a day, and we just couldn't afford it, so it was cold turkey off of 125mgs daily. It SUCKED! Kratom was and is my only savior. I know people say i traded one bad habit for another, but im alive and really don't think i would be if i had remained on methadone.
I started suboxone about 4 years ago, at 8mg/day. My phycologist 's suggestion was "when you wake up and forget to take it, that's a sign to taper down"
I followed that advice (normally it was the *first* thing i would do when i woke up in the morning) and for the past year i am down to 2mg/day.
To be honest, so far it was really easy for me but i heard so many horror stories about going less than 2mg that i am scared shitless to try. I think i will do exactly what I did so far. There are days i forget to take my 2, days that i even skip it on purpose but i fear the reduction from this point.
Good luck to all who struggle.
That is really good advice. I’ve noticed on vacation I will forget to dose and be fine for the day,
if your actually thinking about cutting it hits the mind differently.
Thanks, i'm on my way, i've cut off from 16mg to 8mg. Your testimony helped me. Stay strong
Oh man, an old addict told me to take as small a dose of subs as possible. Just to take the pain away. I was ok on 2 mil . Per day. For two years. I started tapering and went from 2 to 1/8 of a 2 as I would break the tablets. I could not get off 1/8 the withdrawals were so bad. After 3 days the withdrawals would kick in. Finally the day came . When I realized that all the pain was in my mind. After that no more withdrawal symptoms. Suboxone is the purest form of herion . It has to be , to overcome the junk. So tell everyone to tread lightly when they go in to rehab.
Hahah the sneezing thing is so true!! Its happening now for me.
Hi. I’m in the process of tapering. Been on for 18 years and I’ve been steady at 2-3 mg for a couple months. I think I’ll be able to taper down more successfully as well. My question to anyone reading this is will Ativan and stuff like that be much help after you jump off? I have scripts for those and am hoping they are going to help me. My so called doctor just up and bailed on all his patients with a two week warning. I thought he was one of the good guys and thought we’d actually become friends over all those years. Always know these doctors don’t care one bit about your interest. For years all he could say is what a miracle drug this is and on my last day he sure had some other things to say about it that I had kinda suspected but didn’t believe. He would chastise me for reading conspiracy theories about sub on the internet and assure me they weren’t true and not to worry. My last appointment with him as his office is being packed up he basically confirmed all those things and told me stuff I hadn’t even heard. Fuck that guy. The two women who work in his office are furious at him. They actually cared about the patients. This is what passes for medical care in the richest empire the world has ever known. Anyway if someone can tell me what kind of help benzo can be at the jump off I’d really appreciate it. Good luck everyone.
Hey there. All I can say is the right pattern of thoughts, a proper paradigm and healthy intake, as in nutritional foods and a lot of water with some added vitamins is your best shot. Unfortunately, there’s no magic bullet. But you got it! Follow advice from those who’ve successfully been off from it for 1 year or more and have improved their life. That’s what I did.. and it worked. Apply proper information, get serious about it and watch life take off no matter your age.
@@drugaddictsflyhi Hey man. I really appreciate your videos on here. I think they are some of the best ones on the internet. I appreciate your advice too. You’re definitely right about getting overall health improved. I think that’s going to have to be the first thing I do before anything else. Thanks buddy.
@@dwb131313 Hey thanks man! I appreciate the feedback. Glad you’re getting something from it.
Yes, maintaining overall health is a key contributor to overall success in recovery. It’s an easy one to overlook or ignore the importance of.
I'd recommend NEVER add the benzos. Coming off of them 4 years ago almost killed me.
@@chucktrivette5723 how much were u taking tho?
I have 30mg of lorazepam a month. And I’ve been tapering on the methadone, from 125mg a day to 87mg and it just hit me bad.
I’ve gotten down to 40mg and I’ve been on for like ten years now.
I had open heart surgery and the pain from that hikes really bad when I try and come
Off methadone.
The half life of suboxone is crazy.
And I couldn’t go four days without to get on it. I think I’m on for life .
But the benzos help a lot alot. For now .
Thankyou brother. Inspirational. Good idea is to push thru 48hrs with nothing and then come back in on a much lower dose. I went from 2mg 5 x a day to quarter mg twice a day this way with ease
That's what i did going up and down after the last milligram, finally down to .25 for a month and i have jumped off I am passed the 72 hrs mark so im looking forward to see what happens. I say that because of the half life but my Dr. Kicked me off from having nothing in my system they cldnt find it when i peed so i had to taper myself.
Hi Jackie! How are you doing now?
Recovery Accelerator I am awesome! It does take awhile to feel normal the energy was a big thing after I got thru the tough part. About a month and it started to get better. I only had 3 bad days I think. My withdrawal started the the second day. I still can’t believe I was able to get off it
Main thing is I’m myself again. Subs took my personality away and getting off it my personality came back
I cant believe it’s been 6 months already wow
Hunter cldnt be better! I dnt even think about that shit anymore!!
Damn my guy . Much respect..I can’t even imagine
Very good video my bother! Congratulations!
Thank you! Really appreciate it.. hope you're well!
I’m on day 6 & doing great! Don’t know why I waited so long.
Some additional advice, once you get to 2mg, stop the taper for a while, and just take 2mg for a few months, like really let yourself get used to it. I know it sounds crazy, but when I came off it in 2014, thats wat i had done and I barely felt it doing it that way.
Nice job my man!
I was on 8mg four times a day and this stuff is horrible to get off of. So instead of going through hell I went back to using fenty for maybe two weeks and then started a detox and the withdrawals only lasted maybe 4 days but was manageable with Subutex tapper for 5 days! Not the best advice but the best decision I made, something to think about.
You sound like me. At 2mg now from 22 2 months ago. I've been on it about a year. It was not too bad until 4mg. Fighting between 2 and 4 now but mainly 2mg. Hoping another couple months. Thanks for the video.
Hope you’re well my friend.
@@drugaddictsflyhi thanks brother. Yea I'm totally off all drugs except cannabis. Hope all is well with you too!
@@kolstee420 your fully off subs ?
What a kind man you are to share this.Thank you❤❤❤.Newly subscribed.
Thank you I appreciate it 🙏
Update … I’m off 3 weeks now and used Tramadol… I used 100-200 mg and it worked like a dream. You have to taper after the first week or you’ll be in the same boat. Trust me it works
YUP!!! tramadol would take my withdraw away when i didn’t have norco
Exactly! Works for me! Jumped off the very high wall...24 to 0 in 3 weeks...Tramal saved me!