Anchoring timbers to stone: ancient technique with modern twist for building codes/extreme winds.
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- After many hundreds of questions on how the ancient stone plinth foundation style can be done today to moderate extreme winds or satisfy building codes and other concerns, we decided to show a modern twist that can be used in this situation if you choose. If done right, the anchor is not even visible and goes a long way to add peace of mind.
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"Ancient technique *with modern twist*
After many *hundreds of questions* on how the ancient stone plinth foundation style *can be done today* to moderate extreme winds or *satisfy building codes and other concerns* , we decided to *show a modern twist* that can be used in this situation *if you choose.* If done right, the anchor is not even visible and *goes a long way to add peace of mind.*"
This guy made this additional video to satisfy people that were not satisfied with the ancient method and the comment section is full of people that are not satisfied with the modern technique.
Are you guys even going to try doing something like this or are you just posing questions just to annoy him ?
The wonderful world of opinions. Can you imagine what it would be like if God was real and had to listen to the nonstop opinions and complaints of people. I would have handed this place over to Satan centuries ago. 😂😂😂
@@richvail7551 🤔 seems like he did 🙄
my only question, when seeing first video, was if it holds itself on the rocks, but i just dont know
There's always gonna be some haters. It just means you've gained enough notoriety to be noticed. :)
Keep up the great work :)
A stonemason, but never asked to do this. Sadly, couldn't take the time to do it this way, Diamond saw, to help flatten area, grinder to finish that, drill, etc. Quick, but not a good a feeling as his solution.
Before there was a cordless drill, there was a cordless drill!
Have you noticed that all his tools cut through the wood like cutting butter. He must sharpen his tools vey thoroughly.
Even a cordless rotary hammer
Yes no need for cordless extension cable
where i can buy cordless power generator?
Called a "brace and bit" if your currious. And he definitely cares for his tools, those bits are a bit (pun intended) harder to come by these days, and te reason they cut the wood like butter is that those old bits are self tapping and the twist and thin shaft past the cutting head helps to pull up the chops and clear the hole as you drill.
Thanks. I’m the Facilities Engineer, for the Forest Service. I’ve been trying to figure out how rebuild the supports on a couple of historic lookouts, in the Frank Church Wilderness. SHPO will go for this, and I’m ok with it from an engineering standpoint.
awesome to hear it
Beautiful. But if I ever do it there will be a rotary hammer drill involved. Im not a beast like you sir.
He seems very strong.
Chickadee says- "CHIRP CHIRP-CHIRP !"
@@arnewirthgen3939 Tis not strength that does the job but guile - mind you strength has it's uses!
Alternative title: How to make a giant stone maul
That trick for transferring the rock's contours was both brilliant and a LOT more simple than I would have thought of. Gonna have to keep that one in the hip pocket.
Scribing...
Really cool, and looks like a great way to keep your house on its pillars. One thing I did notice though is that you stacked three washers, and one of them was the traditional spiral lock washer. You might want to consider leaving those out. Spiral lock washers actually substantially reduce nut retention forces. At the time they were developed, they seemed like a good idea, and they work in theory, but in practice a bolt without any lock washer at all has much higher retention forces. They DO reduce the extent that a loose nut rattles, by basically being a cushion, but since you sort of want to know right away when something's coming loose, that's of debatable utility. The fact that they're still used EVERYWHERE is mostly a case of engineering standards evolving at a much slower pace than engineering knowledge.
The lack of background music is fantastic - I find it helps me to focus on the content of the video. Keep up the great work.
I absolutely agree! When I encounter music on building technique vids, I rarely watch them unless the technique is absolutely new to me.
Josh, your videos are of the highest quality in so many ways. Can I ask you about sound. I play your videos on high volume and they are just exquisite. How do you record those natural sounds so clearly? The hand-drills, the saws, the paint brush, even placing the stone on the gravel. I felt like I was lying on the ground right next to you while you were working. Do you have a dedicated sound engineer for every video, or have you found a super-duper directional mic and just become a pro at using it? I’d love some tips, but mostly this is to say: THANK YOU. Your videos are a delight.
This “ modern upgrade” is a best practice when using monolithic stone as a foundation for a post. Here in the Pacific Northwest my structural engineer approved this method with a few changes to deal with those pesky earthquakes. Use 1” all thread rod embedded 10” deep in the stone and 10” deep in the post. Use structural epoxy in the rod holes. And the stone base must extend at least 18” below grade on top of 6” of gravel. Hand tools optional lol.
I used this method on both my front porch and my back porch. 8x8 posts on top of granite blocks. The granite blocks I used were roughly 2’ x 2’ x 5’. It helps when your neighbor owns the quarry. They look incredible! Thanks Mr. Chickadee for sharing this new twist on old methods.
Subtitles/CC may hold the answer to many questions in the comments section ...try turning your CC on .
Okay RUclips algorithm...you win, this time. ✅
I was hoping the final shot would pan back and show the post as nothing more than being for a sign that reads ‘please subscribe’ 😆 just for comedy value
I'm a carpenter. But this man is a master craftsman. A person can learn so much without an instruction or asking any questions by just watching someone of the caliber work.
How refreshing! Watching a master carpenter, doing things the old way, and NO music, just the sounds of nature. This has to be one of the most interesting videos I have seen in a long time. I can't wait to watch the others.
Tools and materials might change, techniques do not, it's always nice to pick up some "forgotten" tricks, ic case you can't use the modern way for some reason.
Very calming to watch an expert@work.
Being a telephone installer in Santa Barbara CA I have crawled under many Sears & Roebuck Catalog houses, era 1920s, that used this method. These homes have survived many earthquakes and have not been damaged by the ubiquitous subterranean termites. Thanks for showing that "newer" is not always better. I think that the only reason that this method is no longer used by contractors is that it requires skill and time.
Happy to find a channel honoring methods that are free from hurry and needlessly expensive tools.
Some captions would be epic....pine tar, creosote, what are you using, when and why?
at 14:13 it says "Pine tar/linseed oil mix"
only if you have CC turned on though!
There are captions. Click the CC button next to the gear on the bottom of the video.
There are captions, but you have to turn them on. It's the little "CC" button next to the settings cog.
Enable the captions.
Today almighty algorythm decided that I need some building tec in my life. Very cool.
This seems so simple once you've seen it.
I appreciate today's lesson. Thank you for your knowledge.
You are very welcome
im never going to build like this but its interesting to see the methods. its possible I might use something I see here but never going to be the way he does it. you never know when "something I saw somewhere" makes a difference on a job.
I know there so many 'old' and developed tips and tricks that you have but dude the trick with the hose to blow away debris or shavings! Wow - I can't understand why I have figured this out years ago. In the shop I use the compressed air but onsite, I just get that stuff in my mouth/eyes/ears! even if I wear a mask/goggles etc. Thanks for one of the many tips/techniques that you have come across and are now passing on. That's how we all learn and then teach to others.
We were Never elaborate about our sheds.My twin and I, under the direction of our grandfather, would dig a trench and load it with stone. Then we would search for stones with a flat surface. These stones would set on the trench stones. We would then drill a hole, like you did in the flat rock with a rose drill. We were not fussy about leveling the 6X8 beam which was connected to the rock. We would level the frames. Your foundation will last 300 years plus! my sheds are over 80 years old with no settling.! Great video. :-)
Ah, finally, a hammer for my pet giant
He must have a very understanding wife! Mine doesn't even like how long some projects take with power tool, let alone doing it this way.
She's fully in with him on living the simple life. They've been doing this together a long time.
She typically is running the camera. (She also appears in the occasional earlier video).
Just want to point out that this man just chiseled wood that' is now worth 100,000 USD.
That’s exactly how miners would “drill” pockets for sticks of dynamite… except it was 2 guys, a full size sledge hammer, a 3ft long drill… and in the dark… absolutely mental!!
I know right! You wouldn’t want to be the guy holding the drill and have the guy on the sledgehammer slip a little bit 😂😂😱
hundreds of questions and hundreds of hours without a chickadee video - doood..... we were getting withdrawal!
nothing extreme about that little rock !!! we used to use molten lead to fix iorn handrails into masonry, unfortunatly the government cut them all down in the 40's for the war.
I usually plant an acorn in a stone with a hole the size of the pole I want and wait for it to grow into it. Takes a few years. ;)
Can't rush a good job can 'e?
May as well have a 100,000 beers while ya wait
For each one carrying a torch there are ten thousand lost in the dark.
This is the only video I've ever watched that you can watch regular and in 2x speed and things still look normal.
Always entertaining, love your content, and you can practice your birdsong I.D. too.
* Carolina chickadee
* rose-breasted grosbeak
* red-bellied woodpecker
* hooded warbler
* red-eyed vireo
* cardinal
* blue jay
* cowbird
* Carolina wren
might have heard ovenbird too.
I don't understand how a shallow layer of gravel doesn't shift and push around from the weight. It must settle and push outwards, surely, over time?
My understanding would be that, as the ground has been dug out to create a small pit, the walls of the pit create enough containment, like shuttering used for concrete and that, with a suitable grade of stone gravel, it is compacted and supported in a way that prevents the movement. Your theory is perfectly logical and a good question, so others may contradict me but i think, with the additional gravel poured around the sides, the shape and size of the large base stone and what i presume is solid and dry ground conditions, it wouldn’t be a problem but i’m interested in Mr. C’s response.
Nah, it'll be fine...know your soils, some will need more than this.
Those are the beefiest sawhorses I've ever seen.
Sawbovines?
I live in North Carolina and about two years ago I had the opportunity to dismantle a tobacco barn that was 150 years old. The entire barn was intact and even had a lean to on one side. I started from the top (of course) on the siding and saved EVERYTHING (including the wooden pegs and square nails. The metal roof was, as I understand it, the third roof that had been put on the barn. It was metal and had a lot of rust, but none of it had eaten through. Probably the most amazing part of the structure was the foundation. They were 30'x8"x8", hand hewn, and mitered at a perfect 45*. They sat upon what I think were sandstone boulders. I say that because I could rub the boulders and they would crumble to what looked like beach sand. It stood 30' tall and was completely level. I am still using the materials for several things. I reused the roof for the roof on my shed made from pallet wood. I am in the process of making a desk out of the weathered door. It was the most rewarding project I've done in my life! The owner bought the property from a family the was selling what was their ancestor's 40 acres and a mule. He was going to tear it down to make room for a swimming pool! The original farm house had already been torn down and I was too late to save it.
Sounds like a lovely barn. Glad you got to use it.
@@MrChickadee In my efforts to reclaim that barn I've repurposed a lot of it to make the following:
1. A steamer trunk from the floor and siding boards (sold it for $500.00)
2. An accent wall in my home from the weathered siding.
3. Ten fire place mantles from the floor joists (sold them for $250.00 ea)
4. A bunch of smaller items like picture frames from the tobacco sticks found in the barn
And the desk is taking a long time because I don't want to use any power tools or modern fasteners or hardware on it. By far it will be the most amazing thing to come out of this project!!! That item will have a minimum price of $1500.00! The only thing modern in that project will be the glass that will sit on top to provide a smooth surface (gotta have a smooth desktop LOL) I wonder if I can post a picture of it here? Can you tell that I'm immensely passionate about reclamation of what most see as not being worthy of our admiration?
You gotta have forearms like dadgum Popeye to hand drill granite like that. Mine would cramp up after about 3 whacks of the hammer.
Interesting, informative, and impressive -- as always. Thank you!
So nice to have a video without a lot of verbiage or music.
I had no intention of watching this whole video and was sort of sad when it ended.
You're now one of Us... a Mr. Chickadee Junky!
Once you've shared a link to his videos, you've graduated to being a Pusher! 🤣🤣😊👍
I wasn't aware how long these powdered marking strings have been around, the device in this video looks medieval.
Chalk line
We know chalk lines were used in the construction of the Great Pyramids, so that's 4,500 years right there, and they've probably been around quite a bit longer than that.
Line use to be wider, and chalk more expensive and made on site, but Yea, chalk likes are almost as old as plumbobs
Really makes you think, if it’s not broken don’t fix it 👍
Turn on Subtitles people. Very informative, old school craftsmanship.
I’ve been in Florida for 18 months now… thank the gods for you and your content to help me get back home. Semper Fi brother. Thank you.
My dad was a mason who sometimes had to "bolt" heavy machines to walls and floors in factories. He would put a nut on the end of the rod, drill a hole large enough for the nut to go all the way to the bottom, put the rod and nut in it, fill the hole with a bit of fairly dry concrete, then put a solid iron tube with a relatively flat end over the rod and hammer on it, fill again with some more concrete, hammer again, repeat until level. He claimed it instantly secured very heavy machines.
hey man no modern adhesives allowed! must use horse hooves and toad farts
How ancient is that, medieval? Is that period correct Sika flex?
Great video, but I always forget about the captions...
I’m about 90% sure I was in the Marine Corps with this fella.
Just watched his Q&A and he mentioned he did 5 years in the USMC as a dog handler (1512? I can’t remember), so maybe!
He did say once that he served - you may be right.
Nice peaceful project not even scaring the birds away with loud tools.
It was more informative when I got clued in that there were closed captions.
Mesmerising, patience, skill, perseverance, admiration and respect.
Not sure if it was in the video or I just missed it 2x. What was the oil used after burning the end of the timber?
Pine tar mixed with linseed oil.
Tar and linseed oil
i am guessing linseed oil...
"Pine tar, linseed oil mix" 👍
Pine tar and linseed oil
Some narration and/or notes outlining what is being done would be nice. For instance, what is the liquid that he's painting the charred wood with?
Try hitting the Cc button. You know Closed Captioning/Subtitles. He explains alot!
Liquid schwarts.
pine tar and linseed oil
That brace and bit is something to torque about!
I am never going to use this in my life... but I still watched it all lol
who knows, you might. now you know how to transcribe uneven surfaces. thats was really cool!
With the way shit in the world is going now we might not have a choice, lol.
I can not believe the amount of people who can’t figure out closed captioning. You are giving this guy a hard time out of your own ignorance. These videos are the most peaceful and informative traditional building videos that I have found, by far. This guy is doing you a favor. Just say thank you and you won’t sound so stupid.
My CC are turned on but still can't see anything. Can you post what is that stuff he put on the board
I want to build a fence on my rocky Maine soil. Cannot dig a hole and don't want to use a backhoe to dig a monster hole. Got plenty of stones to use a base for posts. Will use this video as my guide. Thanks much!!
408 people have an unreasonable hatred of nails :P
But, they grow from my fingertips; how can anyone hate a natural part of their own body?
Unless, that is, they suffer from some sort of psychological disfunction.
That Post deserves an award - it's outstanding in it's field.
haha!
I dunno mate, the scarecrow gonna be hard to beat.
Title and description:Modern Twist
Comments:cOnStRuCtiOn aDhEsiVe
you win sir!
Modern materials?? what's the world coming to that's it am un-subbing. Am very disappointed with You Joshua Chickadee..😂
Great vid yet again and I would NEVER! unsub, been a loyal fan for absolute years
Nice job, but I don't understand the point of using old tools and methods at the start, when you end up using modern anchoring chemicals, bolts/nuts and finally a ratchet i the end.
I think that was his point to reply to haters.. all his other videos are completely manual tools.
Normally, he doesn't. This was in response to specific questions and ideas people have have had about using mechanical fastener. If you watch some of his previous videos, you'll see his usual technique.
Building. Codes.
Maybe he likes using hand tools
Idiots complained it wasn't safe enough the old fashioned way so he put a modern twist on it, or did you not read the title?
The lack of power tools is nice for a change. Makes it seem much more peaceful and meditative
Totally agree. You may like Paul Sellers’ channel (here on RUclips) all about use of hand tools
I just wanted to comment to say how much I enjoy your videos! I’ve been a subscriber for a long while. Ignore the ignorant comments, your technique, patience and craftsmanship are superb!
Mr chickadee choppin lines of boric acid, bad bwoyyy
Hi, I'm Phil. Greetings from a retired (old) British citizen living for 8 years in rural coastal Portugal. We too decided to change our lives for a more simple life but later in life than you. Even though I trained and practiced as an electro-mechanical engineer for 40 years little of my work experience, except my apprenticeship training, has been useful. I too have had to learn new skills and in some ways step back those 40 years to more simple times and technology. It has been quite a journey that is still continuing. I do not have the access to good wood as you do because its mostly all imported in my area and like gold dust. Eucalyptus is most common but does not have a long life. Wood for recycling is difficult to find and even wooden pallets are difficult to come by and nobody throws any thing away that is repairable. Flea markets do not exist. You are currently my #1 channel to watch. Heart on sleeve, I've had some physical and mental health issues these past 2 years and you are helping me overcome these in many ways. Thank you and keep up the good works. I find them inspiring and motivating.
I had to subscribe, this has a whole new layer of interest when the current price of lumber is considered
You should take that post and rock and put it somewhere deep in the woods for someone to come across years from now.
As a practical joke!
Ha ha ha!
Clever use of portable compressed air to blow the rock dust away. 👏
you are after all nothing more than a mobile air compressor, aren't you? lol...
Dad always said I was "Dead Weight", now I can add "Portable Hot Air Compressor" to my resume.🤣
Slightly disappointed
The pencil eraser didn’t look hand crafted 🤨
Great work 👍
Haha 😉
that is a thing of pure beauty, mr chickadee:). thank you!
Nice work, i love how you can still hear nature while working. It seems right, with time, energy, task, finished product, and leaving a decent place for the children.
I would have beat the crap out of my hands trying to hit the chisel into that rock
Well that was smart with the wooden dowel to not have the breakout inside the wooden posts.
How do you know how to carve the curvature on the inside of the post, once you know the curvature on the outside?
He probably did not and therefore chose put a mortar-like filler inside.
Just carve a bit extra, the grout will fill in.
he just made it to have bit more room so it can fit nicely when the mixture was added between the rock and timber. there is space filled with the sand mixture.
traditionally all over asia for over 1K years, the common practice is to just fit the edges and leave the inside hollow, sometimes people added some salt or grout with salt inside, but many are just hollow, and yes, they are find that way, many are hundreds of years old, some of the oldest temples are 1K+ years old just sitting like this. The forbidden city in China, those kinds of things, all have similar foundations.
🤭The number of commenters who did not read the title nor the notes...O my!
haha yep
I am still using my Grand fathers "cordless" drill, and I am closer to seventy. And the ratchet and brace is still a great tool. England made this stuff so well.
What is the liquid you are brushing on the bottoms?
I believe it's "pitch pine" I think he shared that in one of his q & a's in the past.
Mix of boiled linseed oil and pine tar
My guess would be wood tar. :)
I'm wondering if it's creosote?
Switch on the subtitles and all will be revealed! That’s how to watch Mr Chicadee if you have an inquisitive mind.
So elegant. This gave me an idea for a future project on our homestead. Thank you!
I have a general question regarding to the chisel, how often do you feel like you have to put a point back on it going through that granite? 2x per strone or more?
Edit; that beam of wood looks like it’s growing out of that stone so beautiful
I gave it a grind twice per hole. On the last hole I could tell it is ready to be reforged as I was starting to grind down past the hardened part. Granite is hard haha.
@@MrChickadee thanks for answering my question.
@@MrChickadee we have mostly basalt here in Oregon USA, granite is also MUCH more abrasive depending on what materials have been stuck in it.
This video showed me just how little patience I have, and why concrete is a thing....
Please put a note on the screen at the beginning, or in the title, to turn on CC. I never have it on, and I would not have known if I hadn't read comments first.
As a traditional woodworker, I love watching you work. Question...what do you apply to the bottom of the post after you hardened it with the torch?
Turn the captions on , he explains what you see.
turn on CC and he explains it. "pine tar and linseed oil mix"
Turn on closed captioning on all his videos for explanations. Pine tar, linseed oil mix.
Pine tar with Linn seed oil
There are some comments in subtitles. It is a pine tar and linseed oil mix.
That's just lovely. And you cheered me right up.
Nice contour following.
Nice work sir. Why the ant stuff in that mixure? (Presume it was clay, soill and water?)
It was for the boric acid. Salt would work as well. Josh normally puts explanations in the closed captions since his videos are as much about ASMR as they are about showing the techniques.
Pretty sure the purpose of the boric acid is to prevent mold or fungus from traveling up the anchor hole into the pier. Normally, burning the wood prevents that, but now there's a big hole in it. That's also why it was a fairly small heap centered on the anchor bolt. It's not intended to really be a mortar for the base of the pier. He wants it to act as a grout to seal up the bottom of the anchor hole against the anchor bolt and the stone.
Pretty sure it's to help prevent insects getting into the wood, such as termites.
If you turn captions on he writes "boric acid, salt will also work".
The ant mixture is to prevent ants, termites and other burrowing insects from digging through the mortar. Clay and Sand after all is basically just dirt, and ants or termites would have no trouble burrowing through it.
I like to build stuff, or try to, the old fashion way, but with power tools. In many aspects the way they used to build things was much stronger and durable. My grandparents home was built in the 70's and is crumbling down to the point that it's cheaper to raze it and build a new one, meanwhile my house is almost 200 years old and doesn't even have foundations...
Love to view your 200 years old house
the contrast of burnt wood and the boulder is very pleasing to my eyes 🤩
I like how you transferred the shape of the stone to the pole. Thanks for sharing
Always a pleasure to watch your craftsmanship.
ye olde jungle boots. Rah
Bill Haders weirdest role yet!
I just love those drill tools...wow
Looks like he is prepared for when the power is out. Next time the sun fries the grid.
That old chalk line is awesome 😎
It's perfect 👍
The chalk line box is a work of art itself.
Ink line.
Similar concept, but much more precise and leaves a more durable mark.
The Saskatchewan wind scoffs at your plinths; we'll need boulders. But otherwise, excellent as always. Thank you.
Sure, size the stone to your conditions.
I adore your work. Thank you so much for sharing. What a clever technology to satisfy some, or not. I don't care. It's brilliant and still doesn't require synthetic materials. The bolts are pretty fancy though.
Hi
I am currently working on a structure inspired by your video. Thank you very much for showing the whole process. Right now i am actually carving out my posts :)
I have a question though.
What is the boric salt for? Only bugs or fungi too? Living in Denmark and i wonder if the boric salt is necessary.
Once again thank you for the inspiration! I am only just now building a shed but i am considering to use the stone plinth foundation for the house i am going to build also :)
Hopefully we can stay in contact :) Maybe id send you a picture or two of the Mr chickadee inspired shed?
Cheers from Scandinavia
The burning and the salt based grout are just additional preservatives, not often used traditionally in all of asia, most often it was just wood on stone, and there are many existing examples hundreds of years old. I like to use belt + suspenders type approach when building, just in case. If you have a cooler/dryer climate or less insects, or rot resistant wood, you most likely could get away without all those things and be fine. The grout also serves as additional support for very heavy structures, like if we are talking multi stories or large temples. Thats a lot of weight, for my house, and other buildings here Ive never bothered. They are all fine.
Id love to see what you build, send me an email with any specific questions. Are you versed in Line Rule layout? Horizontal bracing methods? Ask me anything.
@@MrChickadee Hi and thank you for your answer :)
No i am not very well versed in neither Line rule layout nor in Horizontal bracing. Actually i never didn't any timberframing before. Now i have had a week of building with some friends - all new to timberframing. We made some mistakes and it would for sure have helped with some experience in lining up the timber, taking all the bends and twists into account. At last we got the whole thing assembled with each post on its respective boulder which is such a good feeling especially since i also fell and milled the wood myself knowing the amount of work is put into each piece.
I am thinking that horizontal bracing requires that your joinery is very precise and tight in order to keep the whole structure from racking. What i am currently building it more traditional european with 45 degree bracings. What i found is that as soon as the pegs are in all the pieces are locked reeaaally tight even if my joints aren't flawless. I would think i had to be much more on point with the joinery if i didn't have the 45 degree bracings.
I will send you an email with som pictures, and i also would be very interrested in discussing how to go about timberframing and insulating with strawbales and clayplaster for the house i am plaaning to build hopefully starting next spring.
I was waiting to see the air ratchet come out when I saw how narrow your hole was but 1 click is enough.
I would have lost my mind doing that one click at a time. That man has patients
@@mattthescreamer177 oh, is he also a doctor?
You know? There is a special threaded bar that is used with that epoxy as seismic restraint in various building practices and infrastructure applications . Which in conjunction with this would be incredibly easy to fit and would stand for possibly a century, since it has a flanged nut and a flat sided rebar type bolt in Galvanised steel finish.
I'm impressed with this and though it may be difficult to apply in the low floor setting am considering it for a repiling job on my list. The building is on a sand footing which has required resetting piles numerous times over the past century, wedges and wiring. Here we would multiply the area of that pile with the large stone, exponentially reducing movement over time.
You did an exemplary model of the technique in this example! Thank you. Impressed.
Love your videos. Wish there were more. How is the cellar doing?