The Feasibility of an EU Army - The Red Line Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 19 мар 2022
- With Washington and Beijing continuing to engage in a new competition for international influence, Europe stands in an odd place. Combined the EU is the largest GDP in the world, but from a military standpoint, the continent has become a patchwork of forces with wildly varied operability. To maintain its position as a world power should Europe double down on its continental experiment and form a united European army, or do the scars of history and millennium of violence still prevent Europe from standing defensively on its own?
Joining us this week.
- Phil Breedlove (Fmr Cmd NATO EUR)
- Sophia Besch (Cen. European Reform)
- George Friedman (Geopolitical Futures)
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"What about even small scale, one group of hand-selected 1500 men who can go out and be an expeditionary force on behalf of Europe and show a united European front? What's stopping that from going ahead?"
- Despite of commentator saying how it's impossible, basically the same thing was established 2 days ago in a form of a single brigade to serve as the EU Rapid Deployment Capacity. See the European Council's announcement titled "A Strategic Compass for a stronger EU security and defence in the next decade "
0:00 the 4 star former US general
24:34 European reform centre lady with a very good mic (so good I'm not able to confirm whether or not she is a robot)
47:00 Geopolitcs guy and author who the host Mike is a fan of
I do not get why Friedman believes an EU army is not feasible while NATO is. "If Italy is invaded, how eager are the Danes to defend it?". You could have the same question for NATO members. The answer is "Very". They do not have borders between them, a refugee wave would be catastrophic - even Ukraine is destabilizing, imagine 60 million Italians fleeing through the open borders and the Italian economy falling apart. Moreover, Italians do not hate French people (I would argue they like each other much more than English-speaking Canada likes Quebec).
I think he has a vision of Europe stuck at the second post-war period, a continent of war-thorn countries that dislike their neighbors due to the recently ended conflict. It is not 1949 anymore, European economies are too intertwined for Denmark to ignore an invasion of Italy, borders are too blurry for an Italian in Ventimiglia to hate a French from Menton.
The EU has shown recently with the COVID-19 pandemic that it can stand united. All it took was one country against the NextGeneration EU and it would have failed. North, South, East and West stood together to make the first European bonds, Covid was the EU's Hamilton.
It is a young union and as such even 10 years can completely change it, there are adults today who were born with the Euro and parents who never had to be checked when going to a neighboring country
Nice. Bless you and your family
phenomenal podcast, great information! thank you
Wish I could be on
I'd love an episode about the different perspectives of reforming the EU. Are there any major pushes for it? What's stopping it? What is done by member states to work around EU's own limitations?
George Fridman really overestimates the differences and historical grievances between current European countries and nations. I think the war in Ukraine is proof that we all just want to live in peace and freedom, and instead of cutting each other's throat we are very satisfied with making fun of each other. His mother in Hungary might have hated Romanians, and my grandmother does too, but most of my generation doesn't care anymore. The few that did before now will see what this kind of thinking has lead to in Russia.
It's also ridiculous to bring up the lack of military culture in Europe. We are lucky to not have that anymore, Ukraine didn't have it before 2014, but if there is immediate danger on the other side of your border people will learn to defend their country rather quickly. Just because we didn't wage wars non stop in the past 80 years doesn't mean we forgot everything. Most countries have a long history of military tradition.
All in all his opinion is extremely US-centric and lacks a deep understanding of contemporary Europe.
There are few countries in Europe with an enduring, institutional military and strategic culture. Most notably Britain and France. It's not a moot point, it reflects directly on the quality of officers, command as well as diplomacy.
"All in all his opinion is extremely US-centric and lacks a deep understanding of contemporary Europe." - came here to write just that. Happy to see it in the very first comment. This guy is so clueless about Europe that I was just saying "no, no, no. That's not how any of this works" every other major point he raised. Jesus... typical Americans telling us who we are and what should we do... Just GTFO. GTFO. The guy is blinded by his American exceptionalism, acting like an expert on Europe by the merits of the place he was born in, while in reality having no clue.
@@SkywalkerWroc Is baby boy upset? You can’t fault a man for analyzing things based on how they are and not how they can be. This is Europe’s opportunity to prove Friedman wrong. You can reply back in a few years if you wish, but we all know we won’t have an EU army. If not due to grievances, or a lack of will, it will be due to countries not agreeing on the leader.
@@mrniceguy7168 he's not analysing, he's projecting his biases.
@@mrniceguy7168 it seems like the "EU is going to die in a few years" talking point is slowly shifting to "EU army is not going to happen" and "a European Federation is not possible"
if they have a text message going off everY 2 min YOU NEED TO TELL THEM!
The former general was a bit of a let down, he dodged the questions and spoke like a politician, wasn't too interesting to hear.
Besides that, great podcast as always, keep it up, guys.
the last guy is talking out his azz quite a lot, but meh
Cause that's going to make things somehow less complicated. I think we should be extremely weary of massive centralized powers be it polticial or military. Throughout history it's never turned out well. It also raises the question of whether or not we're democracies or imperialists under a different name.
That's the thing though. European Army, in whichever form will be made, won't be ANYTHING like the armed forces of the United States or Russia, an armed forces created an maintained purely to shove the imperialism of their nations into the mouths of Iraqi or Georgian farmers.
George Friedman is wrong and bias about Romania and Hungary. Romania DID NOT take any land from Hungary! There is a minority of Hungarians in Romania...I repeat..a MINORITY...in Transilvania, but majority of Transilvania is populated by Romanians, not Hungarians...and has been like that for millennia. For couple of hundred years Transilvania was part of Austro-Hungarian empire in who lived many nations, and during that period, the empire moved to the edge of empire different minorities in the idea to mingle their people.That's why a minority of hungarians in Transilvania. And after that empire collapsed, the Hungarians feel that all that land from that empire, should belong to them..Well..it will never be. Learn your history mr cowboy George Friedman before you will make false statements