Why U.S. is Pushing “Long War” Strategy in Ukraine War
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2024
- On the second anniversary of the Russian military intervention into Ukraine and the 10th anniversary of the U.S.-backed coup that created a pro-NATO puppet government in Ukraine, Brian and Vijay Prashad discuss U.S. long-term strategy toward Russia, Europe, and the Middle East.
Brian Becker is joined by Vijay Prashad, the Executive Director of the Tricontinental Institute for Social Research, Chief Editor of LeftWord Books, and a prolific author, most recently publishing a new book with Noam Chomsky called “The Withdrawal: Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and the Fragility of U.S. Power.”
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The West’s double standard is sickening
pure evil nothing else
If the west didn’t have double standards it wouldn’t have any standards.
Putins invasion of Ukraine is sickening !
@@icecoldyellowredbull Putin sending his tanks down city streets killing civilians is pure evil !
As an American and former military my stomach turns beyond belief at what the U.S has become.
"If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. - Nelson Mandela
“Operation Iraqi freedom” was the saintly title for the brutal invasion of Iraq. “Operation unified protector” was the angelic name for the destruction of Libya.
“Operation enduring freedom” was the virtuous name given to the unjust invasion of Afghanistan. All in the name of democracy
When Vijay Prasad mentioned the US' "provisional principles", it immediately reminded me of Condoleeza Rice's convenient justification when asked why the US didn't follow its stated principle. She said, "The equation has changed."
No wonder Lavrov said the US was agreement incapable, and there's a worldwide stampede to dedollarize.
I feel like operation "just cause" can be read as "just because."
Hypocrites and nothing else...
Oh...how the rest of world hated these neo-cons and yet tolerated them out of fear!
The American's "freedom" are very toxic and deadly, beware. 😁😁
I am not pro-Marxist or socialist, but I loved this assessment of this situation. Kudos. You speak truth.
Endless war = Endless Profits
Bullseye award!!!
Lockheed Martin 📈 +13% yearly
It's not about profits. Yes, the MIC has a powerful lobby, but this is about much more.
This has to do with American geopolitics. The US fears that when it and China get embroiled into security competition (and possibly war), Europe and/or Russia may become the laughing thirds. This is why it seeks to embroil Europe and Russia into a war with each other. Why else would the US seek to remove the key to eastern European stability: a neutral Ukraine, and do its utmost to boycot any chance of a peaceful or diplomatic solution?
It's cut in dry, folks. The US has been using these methods for decades, and they're described in detail in works by Mackinder, Wolfowitz, Brzezinski, etc. - divide et impera on the Eurasian continent is the key to US hegemony and with the US global position under pressure, this is what it will aim to do.
Blaming it on the MIC is easy, and basically turns you into a 'useful idiot' by not recognizing the very real geopolitical struggle that underlies it all.
You call Deaths "profits?"
Well, the forecast is looking like there IS going to be an end to this sooner or later, whether anyone likes it or not. This war has already taken too far a toll on Ukraine to keep this up for that much longer.
EXTREMELY SAD, TOOOO MANY Ukrainians HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES, WHILE TOOOO MANY U.S. TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID THE COST, To Keep Toooo MANY RUTHLESS U.S. POLITICIANS IN OFFICE!!! 😬😭🖤
America in its present form only exists as the nexus of the money laundering operation that is being run through NATO, Ukraine and Israel and AFRICOM. They are starting to run in to the limits of direct imperialism, so they're now draining our taxes and throwing them directly in to the hands of the worst people to ever walk this earth.
It still all comes down to Putin's invasion of Ukraine ! If you cowards find it so much easier to just blame everything on the US Go ahead ! Anyone with a brain in their head knows that this is Putlers war !
When a bully like Putin invaded a little country like Ukraine what do you expect ? It's funny how you people twist it around and blame everything on the US like cowards !
Are you forgetting that Putin attacked Ukraine ? This is Putin's war ! It's his doing !
Another coward channel that keeps removing comments to suit there propaganda !
This is an excellent and independent analyst, far smarter than those in western media, we need more such one and let the world hear this voice
All big media firms are controlled by a few.
Western media is a business, and their model for profit is sensationalism. What's more sensational than war?
I’m -American and I am eastern orthodox Christian and I don’t watch the media because it’s bullshit and it’s just a bunch of lies and propaganda! We have maybe one Christian news channel and Fox News is more moderate, but they’re not socialist neo-Nazis like CNN and MSNBC, who are just mouth pieces of President Biden and his political party who called them selves Democrats, but there’s socialist in a combination of some cultural Marxists. A bunch of them are neo-Nazis themselves and brainwashing university students so it’s a constant struggle here in America if you’re a Christian and conservative because probably 50 to 60% or moderate or conservative and then the other 40% or 50% all right washed by the media or universities.
Absolutely brilliant analysis of the facts on the ground and the constant hypocrisy and blatant disregard for those who are not puppets of the US in the media narrative. History and reality are being rewritten in front of our eyes, whitewashing doesn't even begin to describe it adequately. Thank you Brian and Vijay
Indeed you are trying to to rewrite the facts of ruSSias unprovoked invasion to suit your feelings
Great comment!!
Blinken's statements are illogical, crazy making and totally unprincipled.
Enslaving every country in Europe might be unprincipled but it isn't irrational.
Maybe you are irrational, if you can't understand what's happening in your own country.
Sorry to speak so bluntly. But if you trust capitalists with your country, you'll understand nothing and believe anything.
@@hankookh4750 Blame sexual deviants instead of your ruling class -- they'll love you for it.
Since when those US politicians have principle and moral?
yup,just like putin.kettle calleing pot...
Any country that cares about their own citizens is considered to be subhuman by the USA and England.
The crazy woke white-liberal thinks they are saviors. That's why they are called GLOBALISTS.
Don't forget that Victoria Newland handed out cookies during the Maidan Square protest.
You mean money?
@@AnaG-pd3ym
NO, cookies!
Cookies I believe is an American word, so it's cookies.
Young Nyland was HOT😘
The Real "Cookie Monster"
She hooked up with Hillary?
When you think about how far humanity has come, and then see the destruction of a pipeline that supports a fifth (?) of humanity blown up, that should tell you all you need to know about that small group of people.
Exactly they care only for there pockets, I still don’t understand how relaxed the Germans have been after loosing cheap gas.
@@user-lm9fe4uw3s I'm sure they are very unhappy about it, but no msmb news is going to share that with the world.
@@user-lm9fe4uw3s”Exactly…”simplistic slogan. Do you have an original thought ?
Do you?@@angusmckenzie9622
Go Trump Baby
I enjoyed listening to Vijay. Its encouraging to hear people like him soeak up and call out the blatant hypocrisy pushed on us by the MSM and our western governments, which we are supposed to swallow hook, line and sinker.
Ukraine’s top negotiator, Davyd Arakhamia: Russia was “prepared to end the war if we agreed to... neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO.”
But the US and UK stood in the way
مادا عن الإبادة الجماعية والتطهير العرقي الدي تموله وتدعمه امريكا في فلسطين المحتلة ؟؟؟؟ هل هده هي الديمقراطية
How can they stay in the way ? It’s a négociation between Ukraine and Russia
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The Americans don't care about Arab's lives, the Jews are more important, it's just a fact.
@@victorcelmare because they put a puppet regime in 2014. How can a puppet disobey his master?
@@victorcelmare same way as this, if you and someone came to a compromise on a problem, and then I show up and say to you "don't you dare follow through with this agreement, or I will break your legs!" Of course the Ukrainian government is controlled by the US, and the US and UK are allies, they simply sent the clown Boris Johnson to Ukraine to tell Zelensky not to accept the agreement! Now do you understand?
The bringer of death Anthony blinken
It's head to head race with cookie Nuland
His Grndpa was born in Russia ... specifically Kyiv.
Because the "long war strategy" will be the most profitable for the Military Industrial Complex.
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.
A messenger and ally of the US, recognizable by his unkept mop.
They were ALL Liars and Frauds and they call Putin "evil"? What a joke!
The Minsk Agreement ... that came after Russia had invaded Ukraine, occupied Crimea, and started supplying separatists with money, arms, and manpower? The same Russia that had been violently interfering in former SSR countries since 1991?
@@bovellois BTW he wants $1M to be interviewed by Tucker Carlson...
@@captainyak3948
Who? Zelensky?
100%FACTS are being spoken!💜👏👏👍👍👍🙏
I pray that Vijay will be sustained and protected, in health and power, far into our children's future. Hear me God.
Right now, I couldn't pray a better prayer, after that, God help all of us.
As they said in The Prisoner: 'we're all pawns my dear.' like your title.
Who is as evil as Victoria Nuland on this planet, none.
Killery
Call her "Cookie" Dr Jones!
I hope the SVR pays her a visit.
The two brilliant legends together who have grip on current affairs.My respect salaam tribute Nameste to hosts guests and viewers and see the double standard ugly faces of Yankees.
When in an interview Mr. Zelensky was asked point-blank if here were neo-Nazis in his government he tried to evade the question. When the interviewer did not let him off he hook he finally said: "It is what it is". When asked about ultra-nationalists in his movement, Mr. Navalny said that he had to start somewhere, i.e., they were he first people he could get to build his base on.
is that why he called people "cockroaches". Sounds like he was fully on board with "ultra nationlists" views
@@acidthunder1 Not disagreeing with you, just reporting something I read he said that stuck for me. I may also have read what you write, but I didn't clearly remember that. Do you remember **who** was he talking about as "cockroaches"?
So how many were elected to the Verkhovna Rada in 2019.
Names and party affiliations please.
Ukraine is about the only country in Europe (and America) with *_no_* neo nazis in government.
This information is available in public statistics available on the internet for all governments
Zelensky generally freed criminals from prisons -murderers, rapists, and sent them to fight on the front line
"long war" is not even a strategy. Its more like "lack of strategy"
"The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous." George Orwell, _1984_
Assange said this too. Its a plan
The war was meant to be a Crimea repeat, quick and easy.
You do remember Putin's role in this?
@user-ul9dv2iv9s Not the way you do, obviously.
The Crimea referendum was a direct response to the coup. The US had no business there whatsoever. Crimea was Russian since 1783.
Excellent show! the discussion was very informative... I am speechless.
We need our 100 billion taxpayers money back.
Wishful thinking , possession is 9 10th of the law,
Ask Blackrock.
300 billion mate
Why a"corrupt government"? a corrupt state, a corrupted country, impoverished and sold out since 2004, that is 20 years ago in fact.... after the (unwanted) fracture in the 90s.
Corruption cannot be tackled before a normal satisfying socio-economic life is restored, which EU and IMF prevented and Nato undermined.
russia is member of imf and net creditor whcih takese itnerests rates.its far lower creditor than usa vbut particpatye in same evil organistion off course failign to mention its member and creditor with voting power.
joining eu demansds cerain standards about rule of law before membership and demand reforms.you are fre to to show me hw reforms of adminsitrion eu demands are pro corrution.
russia is also corrupt as ehll and like ukriane beign corrupt as it can influcne it.
idot in moscow just has to wait some more and ukrien wud collpase on its own but he gave ear to yes man who thgouh ukraine is corrupt to bone and woudl give up in week.
What I saw in videos of Gaza is the most atro cities by the IDF in this 20 century. 😢
21st century.
But you didn't see the barbaric acts of the Gazans against Israelis in October 2023?
@@allah_praysit wasn't "the Gazans" and such lies will be your demise.
@@allah_prays it was Hamas, not Gazans.
They tried to use hostages to negotiate for their freedom.
By bombing Gaza, Israel is actually killing its own people. There are still 130 hostages not yet released.
I don't know why you pretend to be pro-Israel when IDF are killing Israelis too.
It was Hamas.
Thank you
so much for this discussion. You filled in the blanks in so many areas that I had some historical knowledge of with highly articulate details. I am recommending that all my family and friends listen to this very, very important podcast.
BB and VP are always great to listen to. Thank you for keeping us sane and educated! :)
educate yourself
The biggest factor for the difference in intensity of civilian casualties and destruction between Ukrainian and Gaza wars is that while Russians will be happy to have the civilians become their citizens, Israeli don't want Palestinian civilians in any way around them.
@sidnill. “The biggest factor …”. Who could blame the Israelis if you are right. Israel did handed Gaza to the arabs in 2097. Whilst they continually attacked Israel for 15 years, Israel maintained its patience until 7 October. Enough is enough. However, it’s nonsense. If Hamas came out from behind the civilians, there would be no non-Hamas casualties.
The anti US, anti West apologists are clueless. Not a word justifying their ridiculous claim that the US wants a long war, absolute rubbish, mere parroting of Russian and CCP propaganda.
Very telling that the amount of civilians killed in Gaza has already eclipsed the amount that have died in several years of the Ukraine conflict within these short few months.
You two are Amazing❤ thank you for being so awesome 👏🏼
Is all about money 🤑
Vj you are really great. 👍👌👌
It will be great if vj can feature in Duran community. He. Is a man of yesterday today and tomorrow with what is going on in our world of today.
American schools won't include Kurt Vonnegut's books in their literature because Dresden was demolished by the USA. No one talks about it. Their are so many Americans of German ancestry.
One can read Vonnegut or any other author buying 2nd hand used books if the public school bans books in middle- or high school. Or borrow them from the Public Library, I did. When there's a will, there's a way around banned books by the school district or books your Dad bans due to Catholic censorship, I read them anyway.
Thought Control should be banned, Everyone has Freedom of Thought.
A book called "The Death of Science" by Paul Goddard & Angus Dangleish is not available in the US in print form but available in European countries it's about thel corruption of science & medicine by the evil-1's in order to deceive the general public esp. those non-science majors or non- medical field people.
barbarians hate history
Is Slaughterhouse-Five banned, then?
Yes, Slaughterhouse 5 is not available through US bookstores
Vj very knowledgeable, nice to listen to 👍👍👍👍
Good to listen mr.VJ again with new informations.
If the mob is behind you, you can do as you will
The reasons why it continues: Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed, BlackRock, Westinghouse, BP, Exxon Mobil, Haliburton, ... just to name a few.
spoken like true ignoramus.MiC serve emprie not vice versa-crumbling anglo saon emprie has itnerest in preventing resurgence of russia and to contian china and are working overnigh to foment ciris and coutner rising influnce.
Excellent exposé pour ceux qui ne sont pas déjà au courant.
Vous êtes en France ? Macron vient de déclarer la guerre.
Thanks for this conversation, I just hope that it reaches lots of people, it is refreshing to listen to two men having open conversations about very important issues that most of the media and governments would like to crush.
Remember Zelensky running around boasting prior to SMO threatening to get Nuclear weapons and joining NATO Russia was provoked
rember rusisa saying it wont attack and atrakcing.where are wmdms-they are existitnat as wmds in iraq.Corrupt president of urkaien caleld zelensky said it was mistake to give up nuclear wepaons conidering what russia was and is now doign to them as its only deterance from big bullies like for exampel why some peopel are symphetic to NK tryign to get atomic bomb agains USAl
Russia didnt cite thret of nuclear wepaon when invading -better inform them and nucelar wepaons cant be buil overnight.
joinign nato was goal of ukriane in 2003 sa well-kucma who even sent army to hslp mueifcnas in iraaq but still no invasion from russia.
moscow bots arent much beter than wesotid nad natobots.all lobotmised and decitfull..
Now they want to aid US to fight China in Taiwan. How ironic?! No mistake about the true color of this kiev regime.
Who Wants The WILLING SCAPEGOAT??
First, 2nd, 3rd.
Scapegoat/s Coup more Proxy wars
MORE SCAPEGOAT
Chalmers Johnson "Sorrow of Empire" a must read...
Fun fact: The Nazi who in the clip talks about their enormous influence on the Maidan coup ends by saying that without them (the neo-Nazis) the Maidan protests would turn into a Pride parade.
1. To sell weapons.
2. To keep food crisis over world.
3. To sink Ukraine in debt, by obstruction of sales of food products around world.
4. Continue sanctions on necessary items EU import from Russia using their emotional behavior, and sink all countries economy, to use them as slave when these countries turn poor.
US petro companies making a mint shipping NG to europe
Right. These are Putin’s goals.
@@terjeoseberg990 🤡🤡
You talk about russian doctrine yes
lol,everythign you siad could be prevented by russia not attacking .you rember time when us epdo presidnet accused russia f planjing to invade and them vehemently denying it than invading.blood on hands is not limited to western ghousl.
What a great presentation by Brian & Vijay thank you .
Sovereignty and territorial integrity doesn't really matter when it comes to the collective west look in the case of Ukraine and so called kosovo very similar but a reverse scenario.
BIngo.BUt rusia is laos hiprciritacl here and support seperatitists in georgia na moldov.
If Israel can occupy in Golan for practical reasons, the same applies to Russia too,
Bad example but very true.
so by our acocutn both acions are wrong.
Keep in mind that the Eastern provinces all voted for Viktor Yanukovych before the coup
Syria and Egypt attacked Israel. Israel won that war and took over the Golan heights
But it is hypocritical to call Israel genocidal, what about the bombing of Dresden to rubble, which was not even necessary?
When you take a step back, it’s really interesting and incomprehensible. The fact that when the United States government speaks, they speak, as if people are absolutely ignorant of their own actions.
The entire world knows what the United States did in Iraq and Afghanistan. They don’t have any moral grounds to lecture anybody specially, not a country that is literally defending its sovereignty from NATO
Its their core business. No war. No dollars.
Well said! hello from Greece ! Γειά σας από Ελλάδα!!
Interesting discussion. Thanks for sharing this.
Money money money who makes the weapons the yanks the more Ukraine use the more take a guess.
TO EVERY ACTION THERE IS A REACTION WE CANNOT SOW CORN AND REAP PEAS
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
-Barack Obama, 2020
Vjay always impresses me with his comprehensive knowledge base.
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world....
Das ist einer der besten Beiträge. Ich kann nur zustimmen. Grüße aus Österreich 😊
A brilliant discussion. Thank you both.
Haven’t seen Brian for a while, great to see you again.
Twenty years of war in Afghanistan,the mighty armies of the west could defeat the Afgan on the camal.The mighty troops had to tip tow out of Afghanistan in the middle of the night so as to not to wake up the sleeping Taleban.
Afghans use horses not camels
The BEST information so far. Great job 👍🏻my dear friends.
Thank you Vijay! Much love for your work.
16:39 "The man (Navalny) was a fascist...they (the West) portray this man as a great hero...this really bothers me.."
Vijay, why should you be bothered? The entire Canadian parliament gave an actual Nahtzee a standing ovation! WW2 basically never ended for the West.
Thank you fellow screaming bleeding ❤s . Love and a Peaceful World 🌎.
War knows no bounds FYI. 2024
Thanks for such an informative video that counteracts the mind-numbing propaganda all around us.
VN tel call : 'F the EU' is a classic "girls" talk yet up to now the west is still sleeping lol PEACE
Nuland is a war criminal
They forgot to mention that the “security bill” that passed the senate and has been rejected in the house also included a clause to ban funding to UNRWA and to make aid to Israel unconditional without any approval from congress necessary. I’m sure the house will make a worse bill that includes no funding for Palestine as well as the unconditional aid to Israel, but it buys some time.
long war= more profits , if you think they give a damn about more than that (such as the human costs) you are delusional
Great book by Jacques Baude The Navalny Case, Conspiracy to Serve Foreign Policy
Thanks, I'll look it up.
Thanks for your diligence and honesty. I am so tired of explaining to people in the last 2 years many of these issues , now I can just share a link ! Hats off guys 🙏🏼
Never vote for a comedian to be "your leader"
"In the councils of government we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought or unsought by the military industrial complex.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Arrogance and ignorance
The collective west
So educational. Thank you Vijay and Brian
Thank you for true News ❤❤❤❤❤
Absolutely true. Rich mens wars. Along with the power politics of a somewhat dubious Ubernensch philosophy.
The Days of Zelensky-Nazinsky are over.
Beautiful discussion and analysis . 👍🌺✍️-bmd
Excellent program providing current and background information about the war in Ukraine. Thank you both!
Good analysis
ViJay I didn't know about Larry and Zelensky. thank you.
Black Rock, State Street & Vanguard are all one entity!
"Another A class presentation without prejudice". Thanku both,& development team.
Love your program
Longer than Afghanistan? How did that end???
Very useful details of recent history. Thanks.
Such great people and analysis ...Thank you!!!
Security of the so-called state of Jacob? What about us?
Damn, this was good. 🔥
Thank you, Vijay, for pointing out few important details that explain the current situation. Your examples shocked me, like that US build power plant in Indonesia. Some aid, indeed!
Google Earth actually has Hebrew place names for the Golan Heights. I’ve never seen it like that before they always have the actual country’s language still in contested zones.
Jueggle Earth
@@MV-bj1yk heh
Excellent eye opening discussion .
I've posted this elsewhere, but on the topic of Russia's "invasion":
Let's stop calling Russian movements into Ukraine an "invasion": it was the USA that invaded the Ukraine and violated its sovereignty (after several attempts, finally in 2014, with Victoria Nuland electing her own government for the whole of the country).
The actual people of Donetsk and Lugansk, after finally having declared sovereignty--and after having merely asked for autonomy--from the Ukrainian government, asked for Russian assistance.
What Russia is doing now is actual liberation, unlike what the Americans do, as in "Operation Iraqi Freedom."
Bingo!
What nonsense. 😂
The USSR ethnically cleansed Tartars from Crimea, and colonized it with Russians. The Holdomor hit the Donbas region hard, genociding much of the population, and they brought in Russians to colonize it. Both the Empire and the USSR also pushed Russification in Ukraine. Putin has just come back to finish the job, and you're supporting Russian Imperialism and colonialism.
Russia has been violently interfering in former SSR countries since 1991. Putin thinks all the former SSRs should belong to Russia. He has been trying to expand Russia's borders back to meet the NATO borders, so his claims about not wanting NATO on his border are ridiculous. He just doesn't want NATO in countries he wants back.
Ukraine's president had said he would support Ukraine joining the EU. Putin then blockaded trade to Ukraine, until he flipped his position. When he did, people protested. One American diplomat, with a plate of cookies, didn't cause what happened. Putin's blockade did.
You must have a good drug dealer !😂😂😂
Exactly. And similarly people continually call Gaza an "open air prison", which gives the implication that people in Gaza are criminals. However they SHOULD be calling Gaza a massive concentration camp.
@@Ultra1036speed Maybe you should try some, it'll open your eyes to some truth for a change 👍🏼
The TRUTH is slowly coming out. Thank you BT News and Vijay Prashad !!
"INTERNATIONAL DIVISION ➗ OF HUMANITY "😭
That's easy, If you could convince people to lend you money to pay them for their goods and services and someone who lives in the neighborhood provides them with a product, that you are not even competing with, but you get jealous anyway, and so you feel "compelled" to bomb their warehouse (oil pipeline) tell your friends to not buy from them (because it's making you look weak and insecure, you're not the center of attention any more...) then you decide that you want to supply your friends what they are selling but you can't do it as cheaply so you have to convince your friends they pay an extra 300-600% higher cost because you are secretly buying it from the very people who were selling it to them directly, but you still manage to convince them anyway... then you pay a local "tough" guy to try and beat up this very source of your product because you're now feeling humiliated and embarrassed (since you can't compete fairly) and if you could do all this by paying money that was loaned to you (treasury bills) the only question would be: Then why wouldn't you? especially if you're used to be the local "big shot" and can't stand to see anyone else get a great deal without your involvement... !!! '; D i.e. the US' personality can be described as sociopathic and criminal... in a nutshell...
US hipocrisy of the highest ORDER! 🎉
It's great that someone is bringing the truth out, many people, especially younger, have not even heard this side of the story.
Always great to hear Vijay.
If you're from European Union country, vote for pro NATOexit politicians for June 2024 EU campaigns. It's urgent !!! 🙌☮️
Zelensky promised peace with Russia and as soon as he got into power flipped 360 degrees and yet hes still there!!!
From the perspective of Baltics, we trust Russia less than US.
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he promsied peace and ruing his amdinsitrion nubmer of casutlies drastically fell.as per peace they were not happy with what russia was offering as russia wants urkiane in its spehre and to inflcune its foreign and internal politics.also radical nationalists were agaisn any negoations.
Brilliant discussion by Brian and Vijay Prashad! Kudos to both!