Hey guys, just wanted to clear up the part where Annie showed me her friend’s photo. She FaceTimed him beforehand to ask if it was okay to show me while filming since I’d never seen a n00d and he was completely fine with it. His exact words were ‘looking forward to the feedback’. That response was also a culture shock for me😂Anyway consent is always important!!
Yeah sorry guys, I should’ve specified that part. He 100% knew about all of this and was okay. He’s one of my closest friends and we talk every day. The people I surround myself with are a lot more liberal than the norm it seems haha
Honestly I felt like Annie kinda spoke for herself because there’s a lot of people who feel uncomfortable even thinking about nudes, also sending a nude to a guy at work and if he thinks it’s not right, I don’t think he’s immature for it
Judging by what the English girl is sayng and dong I'd say I prefer the Korean dating culture even if t's a bit outdated. At least the Korean girl isn't a disgusting hypocrite who bodyshames and mocks men.
I agree, and I'm actually a little bit disgusted by her attitude because you can't mention the culture of sending nudes in the UK without acknowledging that the reason it became a "norm" is because many girls get coerced NOT because they love sending so much and it's so accepted here, because they still get shamed and socially ostracized for it. There's literally a whole scandal involving this rn. She can like what she likes, but the bit where she said she didn't care if someone shared her nudes as long as she looks "hot" in them made me feel quite angry for some reason. As if looking "hot" is the biggest concern when someone is sharing nudes without permission. Ffs.
Annie must have lived in a big liberal city, a lot of people forget that a lot of western countries are heavily influenced by christianity and are very conservative, specially in smaller cities, I relate more to the korean way of dating.
Small town America isn’t reflective of the west as a whole. Aside from big liberal cities in the US, what she’s describing is also the norm in most of Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. America =\= the west.
I feel like a lot of dating culture in Korea is centered around male emotional immaturity and male insecurity. I feel like the women have to work hard to look good enough for them and not piss them off at the same time. I think a lot of things like sexual experience or being too sexy is about the man, not the woman, too. He doesn't want you to know he's bad at sex. The only way you can tell is if you've had good sex. Male ego all day.
Judging by what the English girl is sayng and dong I'd say I prefer the Korean dating culture even if t's a bit outdated. At least the Korean girl isn't a disgusting hypocrite who bodyshames and mocks men.
That Annie girl definitely spoke for herself, because sending nudes is not that usual as she presents it to be. For me is a big NO, and from what I know it's the same case for a lot of my friends too. You never know what psychos there are out there or who could accidentally find those pictures.
I’m from the western dating culture and I literally disagree with most of what Annie said lol causally sending nudes is never ok. Unless we’re in a relationship and he’s my boyfriend I find it very disrespectful. Now I get why guys are surprised when they get blocked or cuss out for doing that
People should just be more aware of the consequences when sending explicit things to their partner..but sending them is their choice (it’s not my business lmao they’re adults)
Yeah….she kind of made western women look like hoes, or easy which is exactly what Korean men think, and no surprise why. This is why they don’t respect western women. You look in the comments, and basically all the western women are disagreeing with her, and correcting her of how western culture actually is, I genuinely feel bad for western women now. I know most western women aren’t at all like Annie, but not a lot of people in the east do, and that’s why they’re treated so bad.
When Annie said n00des are normal to receive and give I sat here like “WHAT?!” Maybe it’s different for some ppl but I know for a fact noodes are something I don’t like receiving or giving. Ig it depends on the person
Judging by what the English girl is sayng and dong I'd say I prefer the Korean dating culture even if t's a bit outdated. At least the Korean girl isn't a disgusting hypocrite who bodyshames and mocks men.
@@Onnarashi anyday. Have dated girls like the Briton in the past. When you break up (beleive me, you will), you’ll feel like getting out of prison. There’s no end to what all they’ll expect, due to them being more liberated and sophisticated than you. Despite being total bums in the head, they act like they’re so much better than you and deserve so much more sexual liberation than any reasonable boundary can permit. Korean girls, anyday.
I was raised in Italy, but in a really equal family. Maybe because I'm from a different generation (I'm 34), maybe because I'm from a different country, I did not fit in the UK dating culture (I lived there for 3 years) now I'm in Japan, it is similar to Korea regarding dating. I feel like in some ways Korean dating culture is similar to Italian. Assuming that all the Western culture is the same is wrong, there are uge differences in western society itself.
@@moriahsheltonfilms that's what I am trying to figure out, they must just say they've been brainwashed to think sex is something gross.🤣🤣🤣 They need to go flick their bean.
Same! I don’t like the toxicity but as a demisexual woman it makes me fool cared for if a guy asks for my lunch. I came to the UK to study and I’ve already promised myself not to date due to how sexual (?) everything and dating is; I rather it be a cute process with the cute butterflies. Also...I don’t like sex so a guy being sexy flirty (is that how you say it?) with me is a HUUUUUGE turn off (specially if I’ve told him I am demisexual)
Here in the US where Snapchat and stuff was popularized, we actually made it a thing where revenge porn is now illegal. So if someone shares your nudes or videos they can be sued and put in jail for exposing the person.
Yeah, but the pictures are already online. In Italy we have a law against revenge porn too, after a girl committed suicide because her video was everywhere and they used the audio to dance in clubs. Now we have the law, but the video? It's still on the internet somewhere.
Korean dating culture seems very toxic and unhealthy for my french eyes. Usually why korean love drama annoyed me. Especially the jealousy over having opposite sex friends. I was doing thesis about sex ed in middle school and we tried to teach teenagers that jealousy is not a proof of love. It's has nothing to do with that. It's a lack of confidence. So the jealous person need to work on herself. I'm 30 yo so if a guy is jealous it's his own problem not mine. Nudes should be send with consent. In both way.
Après il ne faut pas généraliser quand même ! Mon ex était coréen et il n'avait aucun problème avec mes amis masculins et il a même rencontré un de mes amis. J'ai jamais eu besoin de demander la permission pour quoique ce soit. Perso j'étais un peu choquée qu'elle décrive les coréens de cette manière parce que c'est vraiment une grosse grosse généralité puis c'était le cas avec les anciennes générations mais plus vraiment maintenant. Bien sûr, les cas comme elle décrit existent mais pas tous les coréens sont comme ça
@@olfam9382 oui c'est évident. Mais je trouve que ça transparaît dans beaucoup de kdrama et l'influence que ça peut avoir sur les jeunes générations m'inquiète assez. même là je regarde un kdrama vraiment moderne et la nana (de 38 ans) fait une scène parce que son mec va a une réunion d'anciens du collège où il y aura des filles. J'avais envie de la secouer 😅 Sinon j'ai eu un copain Coréen il y a 10 ans et il.etait assez pénible sur mon apparence -_- Est ce que ton copain a vécu a l'étranger ? Parce que ça peut pas mal changer de choses.
@olfa m Bah déjà si ton ex était coréen mais qu’il sortait avec toi (tu dois être française vu que tu parles français) c’est qu’il était assez ouvert d’esprit pour sortir avec une étrangère. Donc clairement pas représentatif de la plupart des coréens. Je suis interne de chirurgie à Séoul depuis 4 ans, et honnêtement 75-80% des mecs coréens sont plus ou moins comme elle l’a décrit. Elle parle des coréens « de Corée » y a vraiment une différence avec ceux qui ont voyagé. Perso, ce n’est pas ma tasse de thé je suis une fille avec du caractère et c’est vrai que le culte de la fille innocente est vraiment présent ici, mais bon autre pays, autre culture, je respecte leurs coutumes
I know righttt!? I am also from Eastern Europe and I can relate more to what Kelsey says, i mean, don't get me wrong, but we just find American style of dating a bit "too relaxed" if u know what i mean...
@@vlatkasimac5921 "non slavic western dating styles" maybe? American dating style wasn't even specifically discussed lol Every country has it's way of addressing dating, even in little Europe
Yes, the same in Central Europe. The ‘Western’ style of dating is kinda out of place to me. I think it is quite immature to send anyone nudes having in mind that Internet never forgets + you are not sure how the other person can use your photo. For example showing other people like the lady in the video did ;)
I KNOW, RIGHT? the fact that a woman has to hide how "good" she is in bed because if she does use her naturally good skills, she'll basically get dragged and will be seen as some kind of manwhore or someone who has no self-respect 💀💀💀 like??? my god bro just admit that you love to manipulate and control women and hate it when they aren't the "innocent and naive" kind. it's frustrating. then again, this also applies to almost every other country so 🤷♀️
@@maechi15 right...? This applies to almost every country and it’s dating culture which is really sad to realize lmao many ideal dating standards are always...shady..
@@MackJoseph nah, i don't think that putting women in this "innocent, pure, always pretty, kind, obedient" box and punishing them for being any other way than that by shaming them is "culture." this doesn't even just apply to korea, it's almost every country, including MY OWN. and even if it doesn't affect me (aka IF i was a man or smth), it's just kind of disgusting to treat women like some sort of object where you can control and spew sexist remarks to. so yeah, i'm not just gonna "rEsPecT" it when it affects the ways of how we, women, should be treated.
@@uuseer01 u are saying you wouldn’t date a bi or pan person, because they are attracted to both genders and you feel insecure from that. How else was I supposed to read that
i don’t know if it’s because i’m asian but...on the spectrum of extremes, i prefer something in the middle but definitely leaning towards the korean guy quite a bit more than the western guy. the important thing is the r/s needs to be realistic, healthy and balanced. it can’t be controlling, obsessive, or unrealistic that’s all.
I am relating so much to the Korean dating culture. It’s very similar in 🇮🇳. I think it’s a very common Asian culture thing and I do prefer it that way. The western dating culture is a little confusing and scary to me.
Western culture is so much better!Let's see the amount of divorce rates and men livin in their car for 3 years after discovering their wife was a bitch :-)
I'm from the UK but grew up in a traditional, Christian household so can relate to the Korean dating style way more but all my friends are more liberal, like Annie so I'm over here just looking like the weird sensible one. I'm not saying the traditional way is perfect but I defo think I'd find the dating style easier to cope with. The fact that it's more normal to sleep with a guy on the first date than hold hands here in the UK gives me so much anxiety
U r defo normal and one of the sane souls that left. I hate the trend that people who value their privacy get alienate by others easily by the excuse of "be more progressive"
I believe that both cultures have positive and negative points: 1) Being good/bad in bed doesn't necessarily imply previous experience. It is all about connection/chemistry. When you truly love someone, the chemistry is amazing with or without previous experiences; 2) Again, if you truly love someone you won't be jealous of their friends, you will support them having their own social circle; 3) Nudes are a fun way to spice up your relationship being it a serious one or not. It is up to you to know how reliable that person is in order to share something so private about yourself. Other than that, there's nothing better than knowing that your loved one is thinking about you during their day, and having fun with their body by making you smile with an intimacy playfulness. For me, relationship is all about love and showing your true self to your loved one. If a person truly loves you, he/she will find all of your actions on point. Just the way you are.
I think it's better to keep your nudes for yourself, you never know where this photo will go, even if it's your best friend from kindergarden. For me it's a red flag if someone sends me or asks me for nudes, so if someone wants to use this method to have fun or be closer to me, this person will get the opposite.
Both are very extreme, but if I had to choose I’d choose the western side, I feel like it’s easier to find balance in the western. My partner can never determine if I hang out with my friends or not, plus I really like it when my boyfriend meets my family and they get along, my family feels safer that I’m with a decent human being lmao
Western dating leaves alot of doors open for infidelity. Which is actually a huge problem now in the u.s. and contributing factor to rising cases for divorce in marital relationships. Not to mention multiple sexual partners create a problem especially for women to pair bond w/ their boyfriend or husband.
Though I lived in Canada my whole life but...I relate more to the Korean one...I just realized how conservative I am haha...The guy friend I relate to the west more though...
I was definitely born in the wrong country. I've never sent nudes nor would I want to receive them. The idea that first you are boyfriend and girlfriend and then the relationship develops sounds perfect to me. I should move to Korea.
This is not even korean vs western ...this is LITTERLLY eastern guy vs western.. No side is wrong here , its just different cultures snd mindsets and way of living..
@@wisemafalda it actuallt does apply to both sexes...the same things the guys require in their partner are also requierd by girls..at least where I live ..the standerd are applied to both male and female.
For the "being good at having sex", I am sorry to say that's important. I'm French and all people around me (girls or boys) will judge the partner if he/she is good at it and if no, sometimes, they are not going into the relationship (boyfriend/girlfriend), as Annie said : "sexually compatibility". Not just boys do it but also girls. That's why, we are not going to wait 1 or 2 months to test that in the potential relationship.
I feel i need to say as a European women that NO we are not all as carefree as the lovely Annie here, sending nudes is NOT as common as it comes across. loads of my friends would find that so cringy and hate to recieve a photo of a nude guy, Come on keep some mystery, talking about this so openly and making it seem like it's normal is just NOT true. There is definitely a lot of this going on especially on some dating sites, but really seriously come on once it's out there on social media who knows where that photo will end up. korean guys take note... keep it in the pants until its wanted, most European girls prefer a guy with brains, personality and sense of adventure and fun. For the few that like it a little more open like Annie well that's ok too, each to their own. Annie is just telling it from her own perspective but i did feel the need to say it is not what we all think though as some guys may get the wrong idea here.
Prefer it to some extent but coz I've guy frnds... I'd want my partner to meet em m if they get together woow we can have trips, drinks together... it'd be so fun..his n my frnds mingling together
I'm a woman a few years older than Anna here in England, and mine, and my friends, and people i know's situations and preferences/lives don't connect with Anna's at all. I think here in England it's more similar to as in Korea but just a little less strict, and a bit more serious in terms of breaking up, i think Anna's English crowd we're just like, a certain type of crowd here, not the majority by a long-shot. Seriously, lol, pay very little attention to what Anna's saying about 'the west', only certain types of people are like that out here, it's not normal or common to be loving sending and receiving nudes in place of a 'hello' lol, sleeping around with multiple people at the same time, same sex friends when in a relationship being totally drama-free, etc. How Anna's lived her life and insinuating that 'in the west' is the same as her personal life here, encourages people of other cultures to think that western women are easy, etc. And i've seen a lot of foreign women in Korea complaining that finding a boyfriend in Korea is so difficult, because Korean men think they're just sex object. What Anna has said here and in her video is helping their incorrect perceptions of western women, so yeah. it's not 'in the west', it's 'Anna's personal experience'. People like that in English culture are not respected, and that is for males and females.
Ikr! I think Annie is making the mistake of thinking her friend group is representative of western culture at large. I’m American and I don’t live in a small town but a lot of the stuff she says is normal would NOT be acceptable here. And if a boyfriend sent me nudes I would never casually show them to other people like Annie does in this video. And even though the law may side with victims who’s nudes are leaked, many people here still blame the victim for having taken the picture. The west is too broad and varied to stereotype like this.
May I send you virtual claps? Please. I am a Peruvian, (and yes, Latin America counts as west) and here in latam almost all countries have been influenced by christianity, therefore, many have developed traditions involving dating culture. I can't agree in what Anna said AT ALL, not in any single point for real. I dislike the fact that viewers will be seeing this as korea dating vs western dating. THIS IS NOT WESTERN DATING. This is a small percentage, according to age, etc, of dating system somewhere in the uk. I showed this to some english friends and they were almost as shocked as Kelsey. For whoever watching this, please don't take what anna said as a rule. Believe me, in my home country dating tradition looks way more similar to the korean one, with small differences (no reports, less jealousy, people take a looooong time to entitle the rel as bf-gf).
Same. I lived in England too and the crowd and circle of friends that I was with was definitely not the same as annie's. I dated a few british guys as well but it was more dinner date coffee like that. Even my british partner of 7 years would find what she is saying a bit offensive esp that he is more old school.
Totally agree with you. Annie appears to be a very shallow example of modern womanhood. Obsessed with her looks and sex appeal . Overly vainglorious. Constantly flicking her hair and being coy. Most intelligent men would bore of her very quickly.
Annie doesn’t have a place to speak for all westerners. Her experience is based dating and hookup culture in the UK. It’s not going to be exactly the same for other countries like Canada or America. Generalization is never correct, everyone is different.
As an (central) European guy that's kinda shocking to me how... in a way... insecure the Korean guys are. I mean if I don't trust that girl I won't make her my girlfriend. I'm more on the Korean side regarding nudes tho.
i think this is more of a general eastern vs western guy cause the things you stated about the way korean guys acted is similar to how guys in my country acts. I'm also a bit shocked at how sex, dating and whatnot works in the west like I knew they were really open but wow
I think its that people have expectations. Especially from what information about the topic they gain. Then when those expectations are broken, one is left shook or surprised. But I agree with you, this is very generalized. Also a way of how expectations are created.
Korean dating is somehow similar to dating in the Philippines. Including the constant texting and asking 'how's your day' and 'have you already eaten?'. Courtship is still highly being practiced here and most guys also don't like their girlfriends having very close guy friends unless the guy is gay or they are mutual friends. Sex is considered sacred in our country because of our religion so doing it while still gf/bf is considered a sin but, of course, people do it anyway since it's human nature and couples love each other. But sending nudes is frowned upon and considered taboo especially if you are not in a relationship with the person. In fact, if it gets leaked it brings shame and scandal not only to the person but also to the whole family. I think most Asian countries share similarities when it comes to dating. It's just how we are brought up and how our culture and society is. I love this video by the way. It's fun to watch at the same time informative. 😁👍
@@yourfavoritenetcitizen6525 _why would you say something so controversial yet so brave_ .Just wait and see how many comments you get from Indians defending their parent's behaviour.
Sending moods is such a person to person thing in the west some people are yeah let’s get naked and some people wouldn’t dare it’s kinda up to your own interpretation and how YOU feel but also it’s not like if you do send moods your life is over. And if a guy thinks your a hoe cause you send boss you just don’t date them that’s it. Everybody has their preferences
@@51844mj Who said that's what they wanted? They said the dating culture not "lack of freedom". Disrespectful that you sum up their culture to what you said.
8:56 watching you learn something new almost seems illegal But same, sending nude pics is a culture shock to me too. I know guys who pass around nude pics of girls within their cirlcle ://and their girlfriends' pics aren't even an exception :(( it's such a f'd up thing to do. Taking nude pics and sending them is defintiely a no-go for me and I also wouldn't advise any of my friends to do that. It's just such a huge risk.
Most Western women are in between these two examples. We aren't going to chase abusive behavior, but we also tend to question a guy who's too available. It's about balance for us. Too eager and we get scared away, too distant and we get mad or suspicious.
I enjoyed watching you two , And Korean dating experience is really conservative and quite toxic when it comes to cutting off friendships of the opposite gender or wanting them to be or “act” inexperienced , but the courtship between couples in Korea sounds cute. And sending nudes is normal but we have a term “no face no case” as a rule lol
Now that I’m older I think it’s weird when guys don’t have any female friends. It’s a huge turn off. Like, there’s probably a reason. Is something wrong with them? They tend to see the world in a skewed way, in my experience. Also I would think it’s a lot more suspicious if someone DIDN’T want me to meet they’re female friends.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, if you don’t have chick friends as a guy, I’d put 100 dollars on the table you don’t have a balanced enough worldview. However, I’ve also known guys that had chick friends that are all the same kind of woman, very traditional, white-picket fence type and when you act outside of that one role of women they know they can’t handle it. I feel the same way about people whose friend groups are made up of people who only look, think, talk, act like their cultural group or place they where born into. Basically, if there is a lack of diversity in your world I don’t trust it.
there's alot of reason why guys don't have female friends especially if he is unattractive. also its a form of manipulation where if the guy is not attractive and the girl is. so they become friends and there's always a barrier there between them
@@MackJosephyou mean physically attractive? What does being attractive have to do with having friends? I understand not dating someone you don’t find attractive but not being friends with someone because you’re not attracted to them doesn’t make any sense.
@@viannebelle ok you said it’s a turn off if guys don’t have friends that are girls. I’m here to tell you that most female and male friendship is never platonic anyway. Women always set the boundaries towards the guy and that’s how the “friendship” continues. So when you say that it’s a turn off because he doesn’t have female friends. Well maybe he’s really good at getting the girl without giving her any validation for like 10 years. Maybe he’s never been told “No but we can be friends” Like honestly ask yourself how can you call something a friendship if the guy who might even be your best friend is willing to sleep with you if he ever had the chance too. end a friendship by doing so and start a relationship or situationship with you. That means is was never platonic at all to begin with or never genuine. From the start there was a goal for the guy and it was to win you over.
@@MackJoseph Lol. Well i don't speak for all women, of course, but i guess we just have different kinds of friendships. Good luck with all that tho, it sounds exhausting.
So proud of you having this discussion. It’s important as women to know it’s ok to do what you are comfortable doing. Continue having the discussions and enjoy who you are as a person. Someday I hope there will be no labels on any human being!!! Take Care 😘
When I was 18, my boyfriend (American) did the same thing when I was good at sex. He got mad and accused me of watching porn 👀 AND this was after a YEAR of being in a relationship with him.
I don't think that guys from UK are the SAME as from other countries within Europe. The cultures are very different still. So within dating the term "Western guys" is a huge simplification.
I’m from the US and honestly there’s so much diversity in mindsets. Like obviously not every girl sends nudes and has a lot of guy friends and not every girl is so reserved or old fashioned. Regardless everything is good as long as you don’t shame anyone for the way they are or the way their mindset has been set lol.
No2 is in both sides. Korean girls do not accept it if a guy has a female friend. And also the thing is that in korean friend ship between a woman and a man they don’t really set boundaries, and that’s why the whole boyfriend situation begins. They’re not very clear with what they want from each other in friendship and they can easily cross the line.
American here. Do not like the nudes thing. It's really sad to me how rampant it is and so obvious how it's connected to so much toxicity in western dating.
To be honest I sort of like the Korean culture regarding relationships and dating more than I do western culture. I mean in western culture everything is too focused on sex which is an important part of a relationship, but not everything, while I feel like in Korea people are more focused on actually building a connection.
I feel like korean dating and dating in the Philippines have some sort of similarities. We're more conservative. But the friend thing is more extreme in korea. In Phil. it depends on the couple like a mix of west and korean culture when it comes to opposite gender friends.Tho I've been talking to this european dude and he likes me but we're not dating coz we love in diff continents and ldr is difficult but he's never sent or asked nudes from me. he's very much a gentleman, very polite and respectful and that's such a turn on✨ he's not from the UK tho. Central europe. Maybe there's quite a difference with some cultures?
Most of the stuff she said for the west is true but the culture is less homogeneous than Koreas so it really just depends on the person and the specific area you're in
i have a question: why korean guys flirt with you and give empty promises and suddenly " h sorry i am not interested in relationship right now" or they ghost you
NOT generalizing , but if a Korean guy did this to you as foreigner it's just because they find foreign girls easier to deal with , most likely they'll talk to you just to have sex , when they get what they want they'll most probably ghost you , and if they're not interested anymore they'll ghost you.
@@Mira-fe3wz OK but what if (sorry I'm moving to korea in a few months for my master degree ahah) in my culture dating is very similar to korea which means we're not going around to have sex etc and we don't go on dates with any guy. What if we make that clear since the very beginning
@@Mel-jl8dt I'm pretty sure if you made it clear from the beginning that you're not fooling around , they'll take you more seriously and won't approach you unless they're serious about you. But you know assholes exist everywhere just hope you want meet one there. Good luck with your masters degree you got it girl 💜😊
I am German, we Germans have a very open culture in dealing with our bodies. But I would never take nude pictures of guys I'm not with. I also don't know any woman around me who would do that.
The way Annie was describing the UK dating scene is actually so wrong. She was obviously describing her own dating life, which is okay and probably the point of the video. But to say “in the UK, we...” is wrong. Tbh it seemed like she was describing the hook-up culture more than real relationships 😂😂 I literally don’t know a man who would be ok with his girl sending nudes even before him. And the guys that do ask for it usually don’t have much respect for the girls they’re asking it from, not because he doesn’t think she’s immature 🙄 I’m 99.9% sure if a uk guy watched this he’d say “she belongs to the streets” 😂 Not saying it’s the right thing to say as it’s her own life, but yeah.
Totally. agree with you. Annie is just a very dull girl who plays off of her sex appeal to men. She is the antithesis of a feminist. She thinks that she’s empowered, but in reality the opposite is true. Kelsey is also way too obsessed with sex and sexual relationships in general. It’s really just a manifestation of her mini pseudo rebellion against conservative Korean society and culture.
“That sucks” omg they ended on that 💀💀💀...As a twenty three year old American woman I’d have to say I agree more so with the girl from Korea. I think there is a huge spectrum of different cultural & social norms, But also a large spectrum when it comes to having morals on a person by person basis
tbh i think its a huge red flag if my bf has no female friends at all. like he has to be able to see a woman as a friends to and not just a potential partner or sex object. its only healthy to have genuine friendships w the other gender
Even tho I am from Germany and was raised pretty open minded too. I was called old fashioned here cuz till now I only had one relationship (lasted 5 years). I am 23 now but I only date with marriage in mind and if I am 100% serious. But the guys here (at least like everyone I encountered) doesn’t even know what it means to go on a date and get to know another person first…..they think if you wanna meet up you are up to having sex with them already. I hate that…..either I was born into the wrong generation or simply wrong country (doesn’t mean I wish to be born in Korea but you know a country with a similar dating culture or just something you can call DATING CULTURE not NETFLIX & CHILL CULTURE). I want to find someone that takes the time to get to know me and is sincere about wanting a relationship with me first before he even considers having sex. I even texted that some guys that I only search for serious relationships and they were like yes and agreed but once meeting them they wanted to Netflix and chill lol. And even in my 5 year long relationship I would never send nudes….lol you’d think with marriage in mind I would have trusted him 100% too? No way….I hear too many guys that once you break up with them or things don’t turn out their way they go for revenge. So much happened to women that thought they could trust their partners but were proven wrong. It’s up to you guys if you wanna send nudes or not but really be careful you all.
I think it depends on your country and where you were raised cause I'm religious and African raised in the UK. So really can't relate to Annie on a lot of things. But to be fair I do have friends with her mindset, but also some not. Annie was definitely speaking a lot on her own experiences rather than western. I'd understand more if it was a Nordic country like Sweden or Switzerland or Denmark, where they are very liberal. Kelsey's made more sense since Korea is a mostly homogeneous country and people tend to have a similar mindset cause of customs and traditions
As an American Idk about the nude pics... It’s still something that is frowned upon and many people would be turned off especially if you are just getting to know the person.
So i feel like Koreans are so judgemental when it comes to dating, sorry to say, i think that's why people marry at their late ages, like 35 +, BUT koreans never age, I mean even if a girl or boy is 32, they still look so young 💕
I agree. And also koreans marrying at a late age has maybe got something to do that their corporate world is so uptight & koreans are so serious with their jobs that they don't think settling down immediately is a need. But yes they don't look like their age.
Not really, it's mostly because they focus on their careers and try to establish a stable lifestyle first which is not that easy there. Many Koreans cannot even afford a proper house for themselves because the rent/prices are so high and so, most of the time, marriage and kids are out of question especially when they are in their 20s. It's a different situation. It's not because they are "judgemental".
I totally agree with the Korean male way it's how men honestly feel because if the woman wants to have male friends I'm definitely gonna have female friends and she's not gonna like that so it's gotta be fair
I like how Kelsey makes the other girl look like she doesn’t know what she’s talking about or what she wants, but she still nice and respectful and saves face. I’m pretty sure this is why Korean women are awesome 🤤🤤🤤
I'm a Spanish girl and I can tell that not all western people are the same as Annie and her relationships obviously, we cannot put all the eggs in the same basket, but I believe she was just trying to say that in the western world is more common to have and do this kind of stuff, she was NOT referring to EVERYONE but I feel it should have been more clear to avoid misunderstandings. What's more, as I see it, having multiple sex relationships, sending nudes, and stuff DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE SEXUALISING YOURSELF OR YOU'RE EASY. I wish this gets finally stuck in everyone's head. I also find it quite immature not to accept your partner's opposite-sex friends. Overall, it all depends on your environment and mentality, but your country or surroundings don't necessarily define you.
i love this video idea, lookin forward for the next part!! so interesting to see both sides :) you're probably the only (english speaking) korean youtuber who talks so openly about relationship and sex!!! we need MORE of that
I won't be speaking for everyone else but being an Indian I can totally relate to the Korean dating culture. Most people in the comments have highlighted the toxic masculinity insecure Instinct of Korean men but let me put it this way I as a women myself have a choice of who I wanna date or marry and if I'm a person who prefer to be intimate (physically) with someone who I really love and wanna spend my whole life with it's my choice and I myself would want someone who would reciprocate these values which I hold around my Idea of being in a physical relationship with someone. So the over-all question of dating/wanting a virgin is someone's own personal choice and it's not like you'll just leave a person you truly love just because they're not a virgin(unless you never truly loved that person) but yeah this question can have diffrent answer for diffrent people you can't just go on labelling it as a Korean vs western thing! Peace ✌️
Hi. kslsey. it was a good video. I am a korean guy. and.. what you told are .. almost right. you are so thoughtful. I hope you will make more videos. It would be nice. Thanks. have good day !! ^^
If we are ever in Seoul at the same time, shenanigans, drinks (1st round is on me), and mischief must ensue! I bet you both are such a fun spirits to be around. Thanks for the insight again Chicas.
@@kiaevans7142 true but some people would take that information to the stomp and have their way of seeing "western ppl" or "korean ppl" in one way yet nobody is perfectly similar. The pronouns could've been changed to indicate not ALL of them instead I correctly hear the word "all" instead of "some".
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Hey guys, just wanted to clear up the part where Annie showed me her friend’s photo. She FaceTimed him beforehand to ask if it was okay to show me while filming since I’d never seen a n00d and he was completely fine with it. His exact words were ‘looking forward to the feedback’. That response was also a culture shock for me😂Anyway consent is always important!!
Yeah sorry guys, I should’ve specified that part. He 100% knew about all of this and was okay. He’s one of my closest friends and we talk every day. The people I surround myself with are a lot more liberal than the norm it seems haha
Korean dating culture actually sounds alot like American dating culture back in the 1950's.
@Alfène Ray Mishna Jean ikr it's cute. I love korean culture
American dating culture seems very animalistic for me (European)
@@elffyq too much freedom is not always good
@@elffyq ikr maybe 50/50 would be good
legit... I was thinking the same thing.
Honestly I felt like Annie kinda spoke for herself because there’s a lot of people who feel uncomfortable even thinking about nudes, also sending a nude to a guy at work and if he thinks it’s not right, I don’t think he’s immature for it
Yeah she definitely is very liberal and not representative or western normality.
@@EPICLYFATALERROR how does being liberal have to do with this she’s not even American..... werideo
@@johannam5184 being liberal doesn’t mean you’re American ...
Judging by what the English girl is sayng and dong I'd say I prefer the Korean dating culture even if t's a bit outdated. At least the Korean girl isn't a disgusting hypocrite who bodyshames and mocks men.
I agree, and I'm actually a little bit disgusted by her attitude because you can't mention the culture of sending nudes in the UK without acknowledging that the reason it became a "norm" is because many girls get coerced NOT because they love sending so much and it's so accepted here, because they still get shamed and socially ostracized for it. There's literally a whole scandal involving this rn. She can like what she likes, but the bit where she said she didn't care if someone shared her nudes as long as she looks "hot" in them made me feel quite angry for some reason. As if looking "hot" is the biggest concern when someone is sharing nudes without permission. Ffs.
Annie must have lived in a big liberal city, a lot of people forget that a lot of western countries are heavily influenced by christianity and are very conservative, specially in smaller cities, I relate more to the korean way of dating.
I think so too, a lot of guys here still acting like the korean ones I mean not in the same level but yes
In the US maybe, Christianity really doesn't influence culture that much in the UK where she's from.
Yeah exactly, like that’s definitely not all westerners or the western dating experience at all
agreed
Small town America isn’t reflective of the west as a whole. Aside from big liberal cities in the US, what she’s describing is also the norm in most of Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
America =\= the west.
Omg sending nudes is definitely a no no ,there r so many psychos out there,what if they show it go others or circulate it on internet
Yeah, like this girl...not cool.
Exactly not good
Thats why u dont show Ur face when taking them (if ever) for that reason.
In South Africa, law had to be enacted for Revenge Porn because of this exact thing
@@weeniehubjrs6301 so shame of you. you shouldn't send anything. what a hell?....
I feel like a lot of dating culture in Korea is centered around male emotional immaturity and male insecurity.
I feel like the women have to work hard to look good enough for them and not piss them off at the same time.
I think a lot of things like sexual experience or being too sexy is about the man, not the woman, too. He doesn't want you to know he's bad at sex. The only way you can tell is if you've had good sex.
Male ego all day.
Judging by what the English girl is sayng and dong I'd say I prefer the Korean dating culture even if t's a bit outdated. At least the Korean girl isn't a disgusting hypocrite who bodyshames and mocks men.
@Renice Eccles No.
@@Onnarashi you’re saying the same thing here. Seems personal. Maybe just don’t watch her videos?
Exactly! Well said
Totally agreed...male ego. I think girls must snap out of it asap.
That Annie girl definitely spoke for herself, because sending nudes is not that usual as she presents it to be. For me is a big NO, and from what I know it's the same case for a lot of my friends too. You never know what psychos there are out there or who could accidentally find those pictures.
I’m from the western dating culture and I literally disagree with most of what Annie said lol causally sending nudes is never ok. Unless we’re in a relationship and he’s my boyfriend I find it very disrespectful. Now I get why guys are surprised when they get blocked or cuss out for doing that
Sending nudes is a NO, NO. Anything sent on the internet is a permanent file.
She did say that unsolicited nudes were bad tho? And that you have the choice to send nudes if you want to or not depending on relationship.
People should just be more aware of the consequences when sending explicit things to their partner..but sending them is their choice (it’s not my business lmao they’re adults)
Yeah….she kind of made western women look like hoes, or easy which is exactly what Korean men think, and no surprise why. This is why they don’t respect western women. You look in the comments, and basically all the western women are disagreeing with her, and correcting her of how western culture actually is, I genuinely feel bad for western women now. I know most western women aren’t at all like Annie, but not a lot of people in the east do, and that’s why they’re treated so bad.
@@obvioustroll3736 well British girls are pretty loose tbh lol
When Annie said n00des are normal to receive and give I sat here like “WHAT?!” Maybe it’s different for some ppl but I know for a fact noodes are something I don’t like receiving or giving. Ig it depends on the person
Judging by what the English girl is sayng and dong I'd say I prefer the Korean dating culture even if t's a bit outdated. At least the Korean girl isn't a disgusting hypocrite who bodyshames and mocks men.
@@Onnarashi anyday. Have dated girls like the Briton in the past. When you break up (beleive me, you will), you’ll feel like getting out of prison. There’s no end to what all they’ll expect, due to them being more liberated and sophisticated than you. Despite being total bums in the head, they act like they’re so much better than you and deserve so much more sexual liberation than any reasonable boundary can permit. Korean girls, anyday.
I was raised in a very conservative and “classic” home. So korean dating is closer to what I would think is ideal for myself ahahah >.
Same. "Freedom" culture (being sexually active in a disgusting manner and pretending it's healthy) is disgusting to ME
I was raised in Italy, but in a really equal family. Maybe because I'm from a different generation (I'm 34), maybe because I'm from a different country, I did not fit in the UK dating culture (I lived there for 3 years) now I'm in Japan, it is similar to Korea regarding dating. I feel like in some ways Korean dating culture is similar to Italian. Assuming that all the Western culture is the same is wrong, there are uge differences in western society itself.
@@aya123444 a disgusting manner?
@@moriahsheltonfilms that's what I am trying to figure out, they must just say they've been brainwashed to think sex is something gross.🤣🤣🤣
They need to go flick their bean.
Same! I don’t like the toxicity but as a demisexual woman it makes me fool cared for if a guy asks for my lunch. I came to the UK to study and I’ve already promised myself not to date due to how sexual (?) everything and dating is; I rather it be a cute process with the cute butterflies. Also...I don’t like sex so a guy being sexy flirty (is that how you say it?) with me is a HUUUUUGE turn off (specially if I’ve told him I am demisexual)
Here in the US where Snapchat and stuff was popularized, we actually made it a thing where revenge porn is now illegal. So if someone shares your nudes or videos they can be sued and put in jail for exposing the person.
Yeah, but the pictures are already online. In Italy we have a law against revenge porn too, after a girl committed suicide because her video was everywhere and they used the audio to dance in clubs. Now we have the law, but the video? It's still on the internet somewhere.
@@SonjaPonjrev at least those who commit the crime face consequences. It’s send a message to others who think they can get away with it.
@@SonjaPonjrev omg that’s awful Rest In Peace 😔😔 thanks for sharing
Korean dating culture seems very toxic and unhealthy for my french eyes. Usually why korean love drama annoyed me. Especially the jealousy over having opposite sex friends. I was doing thesis about sex ed in middle school and we tried to teach teenagers that jealousy is not a proof of love. It's has nothing to do with that. It's a lack of confidence. So the jealous person need to work on herself.
I'm 30 yo so if a guy is jealous it's his own problem not mine.
Nudes should be send with consent. In both way.
What factors determine that its a lack of confidence and not out of love?
Après il ne faut pas généraliser quand même ! Mon ex était coréen et il n'avait aucun problème avec mes amis masculins et il a même rencontré un de mes amis. J'ai jamais eu besoin de demander la permission pour quoique ce soit. Perso j'étais un peu choquée qu'elle décrive les coréens de cette manière parce que c'est vraiment une grosse grosse généralité puis c'était le cas avec les anciennes générations mais plus vraiment maintenant. Bien sûr, les cas comme elle décrit existent mais pas tous les coréens sont comme ça
@@olfam9382 oui c'est évident. Mais je trouve que ça transparaît dans beaucoup de kdrama et l'influence que ça peut avoir sur les jeunes générations m'inquiète assez. même là je regarde un kdrama vraiment moderne et la nana (de 38 ans) fait une scène parce que son mec va a une réunion d'anciens du collège où il y aura des filles. J'avais envie de la secouer 😅
Sinon j'ai eu un copain Coréen il y a 10 ans et il.etait assez pénible sur mon apparence -_-
Est ce que ton copain a vécu a l'étranger ? Parce que ça peut pas mal changer de choses.
@olfa m Bah déjà si ton ex était coréen mais qu’il sortait avec toi (tu dois être française vu que tu parles français) c’est qu’il était assez ouvert d’esprit pour sortir avec une étrangère. Donc clairement pas représentatif de la plupart des coréens. Je suis interne de chirurgie à Séoul depuis 4 ans, et honnêtement 75-80% des mecs coréens sont plus ou moins comme elle l’a décrit.
Elle parle des coréens « de Corée » y a vraiment une différence avec ceux qui ont voyagé.
Perso, ce n’est pas ma tasse de thé je suis une fille avec du caractère et c’est vrai que le culte de la fille innocente est vraiment présent ici, mais bon autre pays, autre culture, je respecte leurs coutumes
Well said.....
It's actually the exact reason why kdramas and specific animes annoys me too
honestly korean dating culture sounds so sweet i would prefer that
Me toooo!
I’m from Eastern Europe and our dating culture is more similar to Korean, at least from my experience
Yeah i have the impression that's the general consensus and also how there's a lot of eastern European/korean couples that seem to work.
I know righttt!? I am also from Eastern Europe and I can relate more to what Kelsey says, i mean, don't get me wrong, but we just find American style of dating a bit "too relaxed" if u know what i mean...
@@vlatkasimac5921 "non slavic western dating styles" maybe? American dating style wasn't even specifically discussed lol
Every country has it's way of addressing dating, even in little Europe
Yes, the same in Central Europe. The ‘Western’ style of dating is kinda out of place to me. I think it is quite immature to send anyone nudes having in mind that Internet never forgets + you are not sure how the other person can use your photo. For example showing other people like the lady in the video did ;)
Yeah me too..
Kelsey is so honest. That's what i love about her.
“send me your lunch i wanna see your lunch” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤦♀️😂😂
Korean beauty and dating standards are very predatory...
I KNOW, RIGHT? the fact that a woman has to hide how "good" she is in bed because if she does use her naturally good skills, she'll basically get dragged and will be seen as some kind of manwhore or someone who has no self-respect 💀💀💀 like??? my god bro just admit that you love to manipulate and control women and hate it when they aren't the "innocent and naive" kind. it's frustrating.
then again, this also applies to almost every other country so 🤷♀️
@@maechi15 Right!
@@maechi15 right...? This applies to almost every country and it’s dating culture which is really sad to realize lmao many ideal dating standards are always...shady..
@@maechi15 dude its not your culture ... just respect it
@@MackJoseph nah, i don't think that putting women in this "innocent, pure, always pretty, kind, obedient" box and punishing them for being any other way than that by shaming them is "culture." this doesn't even just apply to korea, it's almost every country, including MY OWN. and even if it doesn't affect me (aka IF i was a man or smth), it's just kind of disgusting to treat women like some sort of object where you can control and spew sexist remarks to. so yeah, i'm not just gonna "rEsPecT" it when it affects the ways of how we, women, should be treated.
Now this is a duo I STAN. 🤗
"every guy friend is a potential affair"
me: *stares in pansexual*
Bruh I could never date a pansexual or a bisexual, not untio I get my stuff together. My insecure ass could never💀
🤣🤣🤣 my exact thought!
@@uuseer01 oof that is, high key ignorant and offensive 😐
@@lilytheflower-4004 Wait- learn how to read
@@uuseer01 u are saying you wouldn’t date a bi or pan person, because they are attracted to both genders and you feel insecure from that. How else was I supposed to read that
i don’t know if it’s because i’m asian but...on the spectrum of extremes, i prefer something in the middle but definitely leaning towards the korean guy quite a bit more than the western guy. the important thing is the r/s needs to be realistic, healthy and balanced. it can’t be controlling, obsessive, or unrealistic that’s all.
I am relating so much to the Korean dating culture. It’s very similar in 🇮🇳. I think it’s a very common Asian culture thing and I do prefer it that way. The western dating culture is a little confusing and scary to me.
There is no monolith to western dating culture. People are different based on countries and regions.
Sometimes I'm genuinely shocked of how traditional Korea is, like?!
As we should be?!
@@rinabae2640 I don't understand this comment but okay! I have nothing against traditional societies btw, the double standards/ hypocrisy, however...
And then there is performances like jyp's elevator on mama lmao
@@ambermark9712 exactly my point, it's so strange
Western culture is so much better!Let's see the amount of divorce rates and men livin in their car for 3 years after discovering their wife was a bitch :-)
I'm from the UK but grew up in a traditional, Christian household so can relate to the Korean dating style way more but all my friends are more liberal, like Annie so I'm over here just looking like the weird sensible one. I'm not saying the traditional way is perfect but I defo think I'd find the dating style easier to cope with. The fact that it's more normal to sleep with a guy on the first date than hold hands here in the UK gives me so much anxiety
I'm shocked by western culture 😳😳and I'm not korean I'm Ethiopian
U r defo normal and one of the sane souls that left. I hate the trend that people who value their privacy get alienate by others easily by the excuse of "be more progressive"
@@eyerusalemzeleke2083 that's bo3t western culture. That's Annie's culture. It's her opinion.
@@dmr868 ohh thank God
I from Turkey and I am shocked
I believe that both cultures have positive and negative points:
1) Being good/bad in bed doesn't necessarily imply previous experience. It is all about connection/chemistry. When you truly love someone, the chemistry is amazing with or without previous experiences;
2) Again, if you truly love someone you won't be jealous of their friends, you will support them having their own social circle;
3) Nudes are a fun way to spice up your relationship being it a serious one or not. It is up to you to know how reliable that person is in order to share something so private about yourself. Other than that, there's nothing better than knowing that your loved one is thinking about you during their day, and having fun with their body by making you smile with an intimacy playfulness.
For me, relationship is all about love and showing your true self to your loved one. If a person truly loves you, he/she will find all of your actions on point. Just the way you are.
Also for sending nudes to your partner or hookup it's generally the rule to not show your face in the photo.
Until you have a serious argument and the nudes accidentally get out 🤔🤣🤫🙄
I think it's better to keep your nudes for yourself, you never know where this photo will go, even if it's your best friend from kindergarden. For me it's a red flag if someone sends me or asks me for nudes, so if someone wants to use this method to have fun or be closer to me, this person will get the opposite.
Both are very extreme, but if I had to choose I’d choose the western side, I feel like it’s easier to find balance in the western. My partner can never determine if I hang out with my friends or not, plus I really like it when my boyfriend meets my family and they get along, my family feels safer that I’m with a decent human being lmao
Western dating leaves alot of doors open for infidelity. Which is actually a huge problem now in the u.s. and contributing factor to rising cases for divorce in marital relationships. Not to mention multiple sexual partners create a problem especially for women to pair bond w/ their boyfriend or husband.
Though I lived in Canada my whole life but...I relate more to the Korean one...I just realized how conservative I am haha...The guy friend I relate to the west more though...
This needs Korean subtitles for cross-cultural education purposes.
I was definitely born in the wrong country. I've never sent nudes nor would I want to receive them. The idea that first you are boyfriend and girlfriend and then the relationship develops sounds perfect to me. I should move to Korea.
This is not even korean vs western ...this is LITTERLLY eastern guy vs western..
No side is wrong here , its just different cultures snd mindsets and way of living..
If the same conditions don't apply to both sexes, then yes, there is a bad side and a good side.
@@wisemafalda it actuallt does apply to both sexes...the same things the guys require in their partner are also requierd by girls..at least where I live ..the standerd are applied to both male and female.
For reference , I live in sudan which an african-arabic cultured country 😊👍
@@hindfathi4867 I don’t know ANY girl who’d be mad at a guy for being experienced lol that’s ridiculous
@@breanajohnson7311 so guys are mad at girls who are experienced?
For the "being good at having sex", I am sorry to say that's important. I'm French and all people around me (girls or boys) will judge the partner if he/she is good at it and if no, sometimes, they are not going into the relationship (boyfriend/girlfriend), as Annie said : "sexually compatibility". Not just boys do it but also girls. That's why, we are not going to wait 1 or 2 months to test that in the potential relationship.
@Green Vial LOL Talking based on facts, I don't think so : you are or not.
That’s so sad :(
I feel i need to say as a European women that NO we are not all as carefree as the lovely Annie here, sending nudes is NOT as common as it comes across. loads of my friends would find that so cringy and hate to recieve a photo of a nude guy, Come on keep some mystery, talking about this so openly and making it seem like it's normal is just NOT true.
There is definitely a lot of this going on especially on some dating sites, but really seriously come on once it's out there on social media who knows where that photo will end up.
korean guys take note... keep it in the pants until its wanted, most European girls prefer a guy with brains, personality and sense of adventure and fun.
For the few that like it a little more open like Annie well that's ok too, each to their own. Annie is just telling it from her own perspective but i did feel the need to say it is not what we all think though as some guys may get the wrong idea here.
correct, she's the classic girl with no direction and quite immature
Am I the only one who actually prefers the Korean dating/relationsship style? That's like my ideal partner description 😂😂😂
Ew
You're not the only one
I prefer it to some extent.
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Prefer it to some extent but coz I've guy frnds... I'd want my partner to meet em m if they get together woow we can have trips, drinks together... it'd be so fun..his n my frnds mingling together
I'm a woman a few years older than Anna here in England, and mine, and my friends, and people i know's situations and preferences/lives don't connect with Anna's at all. I think here in England it's more similar to as in Korea but just a little less strict, and a bit more serious in terms of breaking up, i think Anna's English crowd we're just like, a certain type of crowd here, not the majority by a long-shot. Seriously, lol, pay very little attention to what Anna's saying about 'the west', only certain types of people are like that out here, it's not normal or common to be loving sending and receiving nudes in place of a 'hello' lol, sleeping around with multiple people at the same time, same sex friends when in a relationship being totally drama-free, etc. How Anna's lived her life and insinuating that 'in the west' is the same as her personal life here, encourages people of other cultures to think that western women are easy, etc. And i've seen a lot of foreign women in Korea complaining that finding a boyfriend in Korea is so difficult, because Korean men think they're just sex object. What Anna has said here and in her video is helping their incorrect perceptions of western women, so yeah. it's not 'in the west', it's 'Anna's personal experience'. People like that in English culture are not respected, and that is for males and females.
Ikr! I think Annie is making the mistake of thinking her friend group is representative of western culture at large. I’m American and I don’t live in a small town but a lot of the stuff she says is normal would NOT be acceptable here. And if a boyfriend sent me nudes I would never casually show them to other people like Annie does in this video. And even though the law may side with victims who’s nudes are leaked, many people here still blame the victim for having taken the picture. The west is too broad and varied to stereotype like this.
May I send you virtual claps? Please. I am a Peruvian, (and yes, Latin America counts as west) and here in latam almost all countries have been influenced by christianity, therefore, many have developed traditions involving dating culture. I can't agree in what Anna said AT ALL, not in any single point for real. I dislike the fact that viewers will be seeing this as korea dating vs western dating. THIS IS NOT WESTERN DATING. This is a small percentage, according to age, etc, of dating system somewhere in the uk. I showed this to some english friends and they were almost as shocked as Kelsey.
For whoever watching this, please don't take what anna said as a rule. Believe me, in my home country dating tradition looks way more similar to the korean one, with small differences (no reports, less jealousy, people take a looooong time to entitle the rel as bf-gf).
Same. I lived in England too and the crowd and circle of friends that I was with was definitely not the same as annie's. I dated a few british guys as well but it was more dinner date coffee like that. Even my british partner of 7 years would find what she is saying a bit offensive esp that he is more old school.
Totally agree with you. Annie appears to be a very shallow example of modern womanhood. Obsessed with her looks and sex appeal . Overly vainglorious. Constantly flicking her hair and being coy. Most intelligent men would bore of her very quickly.
Kelsey is so entertaining, I love her videos
Best collab. It felt like girl talk.
guys understand that what they're saying its from their point of view, it doesn't mean that everyone is like what they said.
Yasss Kelsey👏👏giving us the content we love 💕💕 My fav girls doing a collab 🙏💞 so happy
I think korean style fits me better, except the toxic part where he doesn’t want me to be good in bed...
Annie doesn’t have a place to speak for all westerners. Her experience is based dating and hookup culture in the UK. It’s not going to be exactly the same for other countries like Canada or America. Generalization is never correct, everyone is different.
As an (central) European guy that's kinda shocking to me how... in a way... insecure the Korean guys are. I mean if I don't trust that girl I won't make her my girlfriend. I'm more on the Korean side regarding nudes tho.
favorite duo 💖 we want a video with you, annie and adrienne hill ☺️
It's so dangerous to send nudes. I'm so afraid with revenge porn
i think this is more of a general eastern vs western guy cause the things you stated about the way korean guys acted is similar to how guys in my country acts. I'm also a bit shocked at how sex, dating and whatnot works in the west like I knew they were really open but wow
I think its that people have expectations. Especially from what information about the topic they gain. Then when those expectations are broken, one is left shook or surprised. But I agree with you, this is very generalized. Also a way of how expectations are created.
Korean dating is somehow similar to dating in the Philippines. Including the constant texting and asking 'how's your day' and 'have you already eaten?'. Courtship is still highly being practiced here and most guys also don't like their girlfriends having very close guy friends unless the guy is gay or they are mutual friends. Sex is considered sacred in our country because of our religion so doing it while still gf/bf is considered a sin but, of course, people do it anyway since it's human nature and couples love each other. But sending nudes is frowned upon and considered taboo especially if you are not in a relationship with the person. In fact, if it gets leaked it brings shame and scandal not only to the person but also to the whole family.
I think most Asian countries share similarities when it comes to dating. It's just how we are brought up and how our culture and society is.
I love this video by the way. It's fun to watch at the same time informative. 😁👍
i love Annie's accent sooo bri-ishh i luv i-ght😂😂😂
Yup haha
Meanwhile Indian dating : Almost non-existent
Yea because they tend to have horrible narcissistic parents
@@yourfavoritenetcitizen6525 _why would you say something so controversial yet so brave_ .Just wait and see how many comments you get from Indians defending their parent's behaviour.
@@idunnomanseemskindagaytome1493 lmao so far none
5:29 “can i have dinner with jungkook” okay yeah i’d understand the concern if ur boyfriend was worried u’d leave him.
😂😂😂
Who cares about the boyfriend if you can have dinner with jungkook duh! 😂😂😂😂
Yeah, no totally we all would understand the stress he’d be under 😭
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I'm wheezing
Sending moods is such a person to person thing in the west some people are yeah let’s get naked and some people wouldn’t dare it’s kinda up to your own interpretation and how YOU feel but also it’s not like if you do send moods your life is over. And if a guy thinks your a hoe cause you send boss you just don’t date them that’s it. Everybody has their preferences
I definitely prefer the Korean dating culture, it sounds much better to me
It avoids a lot of drama yes
Ya you rather have a guy tell you what to do and have no freedom lol fuck that
@@51844mj Who said that's what they wanted? They said the dating culture not "lack of freedom". Disrespectful that you sum up their culture to what you said.
8:56 watching you learn something new almost seems illegal
But same, sending nude pics is a culture shock to me too.
I know guys who pass around nude pics of girls within their cirlcle ://and their girlfriends' pics aren't even an exception :(( it's such a f'd up thing to do. Taking nude pics and sending them is defintiely a no-go for me and I also wouldn't advise any of my friends to do that. It's just such a huge risk.
Kelsey's curiosity 😂😂😂😂😂.. very attentive....love her
me standing in front of the bighit building: 5:30 *CAN I HAVE DINNER WITH JUNGKOOK?*
I'm a Mexican and many things Annie said doesn't apply here, maybe it's a European thing idk
I am Italian and in Italy girls are more like korean. Lol
I'm Eastern European and we too are also more like Koreans
@@cookies5010 I know Italian girls who aren’t like the Korean
I feel like American dating culture is a mixture of Korean and Western culture. They’re extreme ends but it’s mixed in between
Most Western women are in between these two examples. We aren't going to chase abusive behavior, but we also tend to question a guy who's too available. It's about balance for us. Too eager and we get scared away, too distant and we get mad or suspicious.
I enjoyed watching you two , And Korean dating experience is really conservative and quite toxic when it comes to cutting off friendships of the opposite gender or wanting them to be or “act” inexperienced , but the courtship between couples in Korea sounds cute. And sending nudes is normal but we have a term “no face no case” as a rule lol
Now that I’m older I think it’s weird when guys don’t have any female friends. It’s a huge turn off. Like, there’s probably a reason. Is something wrong with them? They tend to see the world in a skewed way, in my experience. Also I would think it’s a lot more suspicious if someone DIDN’T want me to meet they’re female friends.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, if you don’t have chick friends as a guy, I’d put 100 dollars on the table you don’t have a balanced enough worldview. However, I’ve also known guys that had chick friends that are all the same kind of woman, very traditional, white-picket fence type and when you act outside of that one role of women they know they can’t handle it. I feel the same way about people whose friend groups are made up of people who only look, think, talk, act like their cultural group or place they where born into. Basically, if there is a lack of diversity in your world I don’t trust it.
there's alot of reason why guys don't have female friends especially if he is unattractive.
also its a form of manipulation where if the guy is not attractive and the girl is. so they become friends and there's always a barrier there between them
@@MackJosephyou mean physically attractive? What does being attractive have to do with having friends? I understand not dating someone you don’t find attractive but not being friends with someone because you’re not attracted to them doesn’t make any sense.
@@viannebelle ok you said it’s a turn off if guys don’t have friends that are girls. I’m here to tell you that most female and male friendship is never platonic anyway. Women always set the boundaries towards the guy and that’s how the “friendship” continues.
So when you say that it’s a turn off because he doesn’t have female friends. Well maybe he’s really good at getting the girl without giving her any validation for like 10 years. Maybe he’s never been told “No but we can be friends”
Like honestly ask yourself how can you call something a friendship if the guy who might even be your best friend is willing to sleep with you if he ever had the chance too. end a friendship by doing so and start a relationship or situationship with you. That means is was never platonic at all to begin with or never genuine. From the start there was a goal for the guy and it was to win you over.
@@MackJoseph Lol. Well i don't speak for all women, of course, but i guess we just have different kinds of friendships. Good luck with all that tho, it sounds exhausting.
So proud of you having this discussion. It’s important as women to know it’s ok to do what you are comfortable doing. Continue having the discussions and enjoy who you are as a person. Someday I hope there will be no labels on any human being!!! Take Care 😘
I’m westerner but this was shocking even to me
Agree. I was totally depressed listening to empty headed Annie.
Lmao « can I have dinner with jungkook » lol I wish
When I was 18, my boyfriend (American) did the same thing when I was good at sex. He got mad and accused me of watching porn 👀
AND this was after a YEAR of being in a relationship with him.
I don't think that guys from UK are the SAME as from other countries within Europe. The cultures are very different still. So within dating the term "Western guys" is a huge simplification.
lol and I'm also shocked abt casual nude pic sending! WTF??? really? sounds like the worst idea ever.
I’m from the US and honestly there’s so much diversity in mindsets. Like obviously not every girl sends nudes and has a lot of guy friends and not every girl is so reserved or old fashioned. Regardless everything is good as long as you don’t shame anyone for the way they are or the way their mindset has been set lol.
No2 is in both sides. Korean girls do not accept it if a guy has a female friend. And also the thing is that in korean friend ship between a woman and a man they don’t really set boundaries, and that’s why the whole boyfriend situation begins. They’re not very clear with what they want from each other in friendship and they can easily cross the line.
oooh that makes sense, so if people set boundaries it stops being a problem?
@@Lv-sg4zp yes, but it’s not very common(I see it on my friends too)
American here. Do not like the nudes thing. It's really sad to me how rampant it is and so obvious how it's connected to so much toxicity in western dating.
To be honest I sort of like the Korean culture regarding relationships and dating more than I do western culture. I mean in western culture everything is too focused on sex which is an important part of a relationship, but not everything, while I feel like in Korea people are more focused on actually building a connection.
아 이 채널 너무 좋은게 너무 솔직하게 한국사람시점으러 가식없이 말해서 개좋음ㅋㅋㅋ 그런시점을 나도 똑같이 느껴서 영어공부도 되니 개이득
감사합니당😍😍
I feel like korean dating and dating in the Philippines have some sort of similarities. We're more conservative. But the friend thing is more extreme in korea. In Phil. it depends on the couple like a mix of west and korean culture when it comes to opposite gender friends.Tho I've been talking to this european dude and he likes me but we're not dating coz we love in diff continents and ldr is difficult but he's never sent or asked nudes from me. he's very much a gentleman, very polite and respectful and that's such a turn on✨ he's not from the UK tho. Central europe. Maybe there's quite a difference with some cultures?
Most of the stuff she said for the west is true but the culture is less homogeneous than Koreas so it really just depends on the person and the specific area you're in
i have a question: why korean guys flirt with you and give empty promises and suddenly " h sorry i am not interested in relationship right now" or they ghost you
NOT generalizing , but if a Korean guy did this to you as foreigner it's just because they find foreign girls easier to deal with , most likely they'll talk to you just to have sex , when they get what they want they'll most probably ghost you , and if they're not interested anymore they'll ghost you.
@@Mira-fe3wz OK but what if (sorry I'm moving to korea in a few months for my master degree ahah) in my culture dating is very similar to korea which means we're not going around to have sex etc and we don't go on dates with any guy. What if we make that clear since the very beginning
@@Mel-jl8dt I'm pretty sure if you made it clear from the beginning that you're not fooling around , they'll take you more seriously and won't approach you unless they're serious about you. But you know assholes exist everywhere just hope you want meet one there.
Good luck with your masters degree you got it girl 💜😊
I don’t know bout the whole UK and US being one in the same 💀 things aren’t so clear cut over here in the states
Yeah it’s more of a mixed bag here.
I am German, we Germans have a very open culture in dealing with our bodies. But I would never take nude pictures of guys I'm not with. I also don't know any woman around me who would do that.
“Send me your lunch, I wanna see your lunch!!!!” Had me on the floor 🤣🤣🤣
The way Annie was describing the UK dating scene is actually so wrong. She was obviously describing her own dating life, which is okay and probably the point of the video. But to say “in the UK, we...” is wrong. Tbh it seemed like she was describing the hook-up culture more than real relationships 😂😂 I literally don’t know a man who would be ok with his girl sending nudes even before him. And the guys that do ask for it usually don’t have much respect for the girls they’re asking it from, not because he doesn’t think she’s immature 🙄
I’m 99.9% sure if a uk guy watched this he’d say “she belongs to the streets” 😂
Not saying it’s the right thing to say as it’s her own life, but yeah.
Totally. agree with you. Annie is just a very dull girl who plays off of her sex appeal to men. She is the antithesis of a feminist. She thinks that she’s empowered, but in reality the opposite is true. Kelsey is also way too obsessed with sex and sexual relationships in general. It’s really just a manifestation of her mini pseudo rebellion against conservative Korean society and culture.
Kelsey, thank you for these reality checks and info on the cultural differences! Bridging the gap! 🙏🏼😻
Yes I rather a kind caring relationship instead of nudes
You can have both if you want?
as an american i think i would enjoy korean dating culture more than what annie is describing hahah
Korean culture is cute and cool. I love it actually. And it's similar to Iranian culture. I LOVE IT.
“That sucks” omg they ended on that 💀💀💀...As a twenty three year old American woman I’d have to say I agree more so with the girl from Korea. I think there is a huge spectrum of different cultural & social norms, But also a large spectrum when it comes to having morals on a person by person basis
tbh i think its a huge red flag if my bf has no female friends at all. like he has to be able to see a woman as a friends to and not just a potential partner or sex object. its only healthy to have genuine friendships w the other gender
*too
Total nonsense. Of course not many men have female friends. Men are from Mars women are from Venus.
I'll be back for more comments 👀
I am like Annnie the entire I don’t get a thing
Even tho I am from Germany and was raised pretty open minded too. I was called old fashioned here cuz till now I only had one relationship (lasted 5 years). I am 23 now but I only date with marriage in mind and if I am 100% serious. But the guys here (at least like everyone I encountered) doesn’t even know what it means to go on a date and get to know another person first…..they think if you wanna meet up you are up to having sex with them already. I hate that…..either I was born into the wrong generation or simply wrong country (doesn’t mean I wish to be born in Korea but you know a country with a similar dating culture or just something you can call DATING CULTURE not NETFLIX & CHILL CULTURE). I want to find someone that takes the time to get to know me and is sincere about wanting a relationship with me first before he even considers having sex. I even texted that some guys that I only search for serious relationships and they were like yes and agreed but once meeting them they wanted to Netflix and chill lol. And even in my 5 year long relationship I would never send nudes….lol you’d think with marriage in mind I would have trusted him 100% too? No way….I hear too many guys that once you break up with them or things don’t turn out their way they go for revenge. So much happened to women that thought they could trust their partners but were proven wrong. It’s up to you guys if you wanna send nudes or not but really be careful you all.
I think it depends on your country and where you were raised cause I'm religious and African raised in the UK. So really can't relate to Annie on a lot of things. But to be fair I do have friends with her mindset, but also some not. Annie was definitely speaking a lot on her own experiences rather than western. I'd understand more if it was a Nordic country like Sweden or Switzerland or Denmark, where they are very liberal. Kelsey's made more sense since Korea is a mostly homogeneous country and people tend to have a similar mindset cause of customs and traditions
As an American Idk about the nude pics... It’s still something that is frowned upon and many people would be turned off especially if you are just getting to know the person.
GREAT VIBES KEEP THE CONTENT COMING
So i feel like Koreans are so judgemental when it comes to dating, sorry to say, i think that's why people marry at their late ages, like 35 +, BUT koreans never age, I mean even if a girl or boy is 32, they still look so young 💕
I agree. And also koreans marrying at a late age has maybe got something to do that their corporate world is so uptight & koreans are so serious with their jobs that they don't think settling down immediately is a need. But yes they don't look like their age.
@@lilmissynna9671 agree
Not really, it's mostly because they focus on their careers and try to establish a stable lifestyle first which is not that easy there. Many Koreans cannot even afford a proper house for themselves because the rent/prices are so high and so, most of the time, marriage and kids are out of question especially when they are in their 20s. It's a different situation. It's not because they are "judgemental".
@@jktm7785 okay no offense 💕
I totally agree with the Korean male way it's how men honestly feel because if the woman wants to have male friends I'm definitely gonna have female friends and she's not gonna like that so it's gotta be fair
I like how Kelsey makes the other girl look like she doesn’t know what she’s talking about or what she wants, but she still nice and respectful and saves face.
I’m pretty sure this is why Korean women are awesome 🤤🤤🤤
I'm a Spanish girl and I can tell that not all western people are the same as Annie and her relationships obviously, we cannot put all the eggs in the same basket, but I believe she was just trying to say that in the western world is more common to have and do this kind of stuff, she was NOT referring to EVERYONE but I feel it should have been more clear to avoid misunderstandings.
What's more, as I see it, having multiple sex relationships, sending nudes, and stuff DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE SEXUALISING YOURSELF OR YOU'RE EASY. I wish this gets finally stuck in everyone's head. I also find it quite immature not to accept your partner's opposite-sex friends.
Overall, it all depends on your environment and mentality, but your country or surroundings don't necessarily define you.
literally love your channel. Its nice seeing open minded people.
So Korean men don't acknowledge the possiblity that a guy could be gay.
This friendship collaboration is so wholesome. I love it ❤ 😆
i m shocked on how close to greek men attitude korean men are !! so identical hehehe
Yeah, lot's of patriarchy in the world lol
i love this video idea, lookin forward for the next part!! so interesting to see both sides :) you're probably the only (english speaking) korean youtuber who talks so openly about relationship and sex!!! we need MORE of that
I won't be speaking for everyone else but being an Indian I can totally relate to the Korean dating culture. Most people in the comments have highlighted the toxic masculinity insecure Instinct of Korean men but let me put it this way I as a women myself have a choice of who I wanna date or marry and if I'm a person who prefer to be intimate (physically) with someone who I really love and wanna spend my whole life with it's my choice and I myself would want someone who would reciprocate these values which I hold around my Idea of being in a physical relationship with someone. So the over-all question of dating/wanting a virgin is someone's own personal choice and it's not like you'll just leave a person you truly love just because they're not a virgin(unless you never truly loved that person) but yeah this question can have diffrent answer for diffrent people you can't just go on labelling it as a Korean vs western thing! Peace ✌️
I don't feel very comfortable with people who ask nudes. For me, it's something personal and I think it's dangerous.
Hi. kslsey. it was a good video. I am a korean guy. and.. what you told are .. almost right. you are so thoughtful. I hope you will make more videos. It would be nice.
Thanks. have good day !! ^^
감사합니다ㅎㅎ
If we are ever in Seoul at the same time, shenanigans, drinks (1st round is on me), and mischief must ensue! I bet you both are such a fun spirits to be around. Thanks for the insight again Chicas.
I am a western and don't agree at all with what this girl is saying
Its a shame and a shock to me to listen to this(West Side). I hope people realize its not like that for all westerns. Proprally in england tho.
I feel like its generalized to the whole of western ppl and koreans...
Where are you from? I pretty much agree with her. I wouldn't be so careless about nudes tho
@@uzimakionce8860 you feel that way cause it’s correct. They can’t speak for everywhere in the world, cause they’re not from everywhere in the world
@@kiaevans7142 true but some people would take that information to the stomp and have their way of seeing "western ppl" or "korean ppl" in one way yet nobody is perfectly similar. The pronouns could've been changed to indicate not ALL of them instead I correctly hear the word "all" instead of "some".