Also something to keep in mind: Hohenheim treated the souls in him like people, not as mere energy, and it allowed him to defeat Father. Caring for your fellow man isn't a weakness, it's the greatest strength a person can ever have
Some of you may know this, I just find this few years ago and wanna share this information just too make a good push that FMAB is a masterpiece and surely it is. It was the ironic death of the homunculus; Lust - killed by a man Gluttony - got eaten Envy - suicide Sloth - overwork Wrath - died in peace Pride - beg for his life Greed - self-sacrifice.
I'll do you one better for a few of these Lust - killed by a man whose motivation was to protect those he *loved* (Roy; I don't think being killed by the opposite sex was the point lol) Sloth - killed/defeated by a man (Major Armstrong) who was disgraced by his perceived "lack of action" (laziness or sloth) in Ishval Pride - killed by a boy who later acknowledges his own arrogance (Edward) Wrath - killed by a man who FOUND peace after initially being driven by his own wrath (Scar)
I can't _believe_ you didn't include Edward's amazing closing monologue, where he summarizes not just what he learned but what he learned _about learning..._ that growing beyond oneself in spite the obstacles leaves one with "a heart made *_fullmetal._* " (/"a fullmetal heart.") Just about the most perfect final line to any story I've ever experienced, with the thematic twist on the title and main character's epithet.
That is one of my favorite quotes you wouldn’t even have to see this to be touched by it.👍 At the end of this masterpiece I was blown away by that after what I had just witnessed.
I have the same feeling. Watching FMA/FMA Brotherhood was a bit of mistake. Nothing satisfies. The only show that came close was Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Keep in mind Einstein was referring to actual wrong doings, Taoism’s Yin and Yang are NOT good and evil, it refers to intertwining sides/forces (such as night and day, light and darkness, Masculinity and Femininity and etc.) that if not balanced and goes to the extreme of either side, LEADS to evil, what’s evil is imbalance and extremeism. This is what Buddhism and spirituality itself is all about.
Jason Sacuta. The golden mean of Aristotle. The extremes of a concept, rise and intertwine, becoming something not quite the ideal, but rather, a whole greater than the sum of it's parts.
No it's not. Because males can be feminine and females can be masculine. No matter what you indentify with, the energy you exude is either [predominantly] masculine or feminine. Don't believe everything your liberal arts professors tell you.
Izumi Curtis was my favorite character in this entire show. Admittedly, this is personal. However, I really appreciated how there was subtly and depth to her character. Part of the reason that Ed and Al bonded to her was because they saw her as a strong willed mother figure that provided discipline and strength. However, this worked both ways. Ed and Al gave Izumi comfort and faith, allowing her to take on the role of a mother figure that she couldn't experience before. She also provides the philosophy of "all is one and one is all" which ends up serving as the foundation for not only the brothers but also the audience. We end up realizing how this entire universe is tied together and how you can't find shortcuts to escape it. When we see her at first you might think "okay, she's an edgy loner" but no, that's not the case. That is completely intentional for the story. While General Armstrong is very militaristic and goal oriented, not willing to expose her real personality to others, Izumi has a gentle heart shielded by a rough exterior and she thinks about the big picture before anything else. She ends up embracing her identity as an alchemist because she sees how the Elric brothers learn to keep moving forward instead of hiding from the past. While she may seem to be a violent person she cares deeply about others and has an appreciation for life which is the foundation for the Elric Brother's journey. This arguably one of the most compelling characters in the entire series!
She really is! The only bad thing about her was that she wasn’t in more of the show. The Armstrong siblings are both fabulous tho-when the general joins the good guys it makes this shit *transcend*
Great analogy and I absolutely agree. I love the way the Elric brothers fill in the missing child(ren) aspect in Izumi's life, while she fills the caring mother one in theirs. Izumi and Edward's explosive yet wise personalities match very tightly too, which I love a lot.
Agreed! She essentially taught and prepared them for the basis of life which she herself has a unique understanding but mainly the equation of life=death.
@@thomster8639 I feel like she's more so on the cold side cause she knows what they have been through and understands that they need to and will grow up fast.
Deity Saturn i reall want a new series more since there is a story to be told since they do go traveling and such be cool to see al in his body be the main character and such but you know real life movie not ready for that scary part with nina saying brother and as a dog yeah its gonna happen i seen the pic of ed and al sitting out in the cold on the steps before the building its gonna happen
I actually love how FMAB’s creator (forgot her name) seemed to intentionally focus on the more philosophical ideas behind Alchemy. In the (old) basic scientific Alchemy practices, the goal and purpose of it was to be able to turn any metal to gold; in its more philosophical practices and understandings, this concept was essentially the same except with humans. To become the perfect being through transmutation. But not physical transmutation, instead transmutation of the soul, in a sense. In the anime, the idea/act of human transmutation was brought up A LOT, i mean it was one of the driving plot forces i guess. But even though they (Father mainly) were trying to become the perfect being aka god, they were going about in a much too physical, scientific way, ultimately failing. However by the end of the anime, you could possibly say there was a human transmutation, or maybe one in progress; Edward and all those around him. Through their experiences, learning, and growth, they’re working to be better - though maybe not perfect - human beings. This is essentially one way of defining the philosophical idea of human transmutation; that it is nothing more than the concept of the journey of learning, experiencing, and growing from mistakes and experiences. This is also why Father failed, because he didn’t/couldn’t learn anything from the whole ordeal. He was still asking why, not attempting to learn and figure it out for himself from what happened. This all just my take however
Personally I had a idea about Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood that I thought made a lot of sense you see Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood almost exactly follows the philosophy of Plato and his idea on gods. In Fullmetal Alchemist after the brothers try to bring back their mother they are greeted by the being known as truth which is essentially God. after meeting this being he punishes the boys by taking away Edwards leg and alphonse's body which there is symbolism there but I won't go into it. now this brings me to the philosophy of Plato, you see Plato believed that the only reason Gods existed was to give humans a goal to eventually surpass them or not need them. I'm paraphrasing but basically it follows as such anytime humans try to borrow the power of God or even try to become gods they were fiercely punished, because Gods wanted humans to not need them and use their own power. in the case of Fullmetal Alchemist Alchemists are essentially using God's power, truth in this case, so whenever they try to use alchemy to bring back the dead or do something that is in God's domain God punishes them to show them not to use his power instead do something greater. at the end of the series (Spoilers ahead obviously) when Edward decides to give up his Alchemy this is incredibly important because this is Edward rejecting the power of God and deciding to use his own power from now on which is the philosophy of Plato come true, and in the end Trurh congratulates Edward for finally realizing it. Edward doesn't need alchemy he doesn't need the power of Truth/God he will use his own power, his own two hands ,and his mind. Actually I really appreciate it how well done it is but this is just my idea and I probably didn't explain it very well but I love it. Also as a side note I do agree with your philosophy as well I was just trying to make the point that are also closely follows Plato's idea or at least Brotherhood does
Father explains the symbolism of God taking Ed's Arm and Leg, and Al's body. Hold on. "Their sin cost Ed the only leg he had to stand on, as well as the only family he had left. Al yearned for the warmth of his mother's touch, only to have his body replaced with a cold shell that couldn't feel anything. The Truth can be cruel indeed." ~Father, when explaining the sacrifices' follies. Obviously paraphrased but you get the idea. Also when you're going to write a big paragraph like that, pleeeeeeeease break up the lines. It's a pain to read a large, unbroken wall of text. And for me, at least, it's hard to not get lost trying to follow the lines. I like what you're saying, and I think it has merit. Just the formatting could be better, that's all. :D
Abit late, but also adding this: Not only that, the principle of equivalent exchange still hold true within the entire series, even at the very end: Only priceless thing can be exchange with priceless thing, possibility with possibility, and truth with truth. That's why they never get their mother back, as they never exchange the priceless thing that is their's soul, that's why Edward gained Alphonto back, as he trade the possibility of being an alchemist for the possibility of gaining a family back again, and in that, he trade his truth of an alchemist, of his old self, in exchange with his truth as a human being, as his new self. Equivalent exchange is never proven false, what's at fault is how we weight it value.
I'll never forget how soul crushing the reveal was that Tucker turned his own family into chimeras that slow yet sudden realization, that this unholy beast is his daughter was terrifying and her pleas for Ed to play with her made it so much worse T-T
You need need to watch the original. In that version he turns himself into a chimera and tries to make more Ninas, that shit is x100 more disturbing than Brotherhood. #TuckerIsAMotherFucker
I've watched (and read) everything with the FMA brand on it. Yes, the evolution of Tucker was more disturbing in the first Anime, but Nina's death was more tragic in the manga and Brotherhood, imho.
I definitely liked Greed the most, which can be odd to a bunch of people. I always thought that he had all his emotion and understanding compared to the others because the Father didn’t really completely cut him out- Father was still greedy enough to want god within himself. Thus Greed was the least Homonculi of them all. And Greed’s want for friends throughout his existence and eventually getting so many to remember and support him, it makes his death much more powerful. Sin is part of man, you cannot cut it out wholly.
Alright, so what's Father's driving motivation? Why does he do what he does? What's the reasoning? Nothing. So Here's our Cliché Villain. Do the Homunculus have any motivation? The only one who does have any motivation is Greed, but that's about it! Scar. Why did he make it his mission to kill all State Alchemists if he himself shed innocent blood in the same era. Answer "Hypocrisy". It's a completely Black and White series I don't consider it to be bad it's although pretty good. But it doesn't qualify as the greatest story ever told. I think the Original 2003 Adaptation had more meaning and weight to it.
^^^ lol get a load of this guy,folks. this what happens when people who don't know jackshit about critiquing story try to look smart and sophisticated. father's driving motivation is achieving perfection, he wanted to obtain infinite knowledge so he could understand what he truly wanted/ become perfect. He denied his human parts thinking that is what made him weak but just like his off springs he wanted to have a family. That is why he named them made them call him father and even made pride look like his original form. You must understand that while Father is from the other side of the gate, his motivation is still deeply human. He was born within the flask and was trapped in it up until he freed himself. But that is not enough, once he escapes the physical flask the world becomes his new flask. Even though he is no longer bound physically, he is still bound by the law of equivalent exchange. Father believes, by swallowing God, he can escape the flask which cages him psychologically. After all, if you can do it once then it is possible to replicate the same process infinite amount of times Father's journey from his birth to demise is less about pursuing something, and more about running away from something. He fears the void of freedom, and as long as he can run away from it he does not care where it takes him. >Do the Homunculus have any motivation? dude were you paying any attention when you watched the show? seriously do you want me to explain the nature of the homunculus too? honestly you should rewatch the series or read some articles about it because you clearly don't understand it. >Why did he make it his mission to kill all State Alchemists if he himself shed innocent blood scar's motivations were fully explained in the series and in this video too. seriously it is not too hard to understand. scar got a lot of development in the series, if you don't understand his character then you clearly were not paying any attention. >It's a completely Black and White series DUDE did you watch the freaking video?
Cyborg Icarus29 You're right! Cell from DBZ was also inside glass tube and he also wanted perfection. The thing is when Father and Cell swallowed their victims it made them tremendously strong but not perfect as they claimed that they were. Wait so doesn't DBZ already have this storyline. Being Power Hungry is not relatable, being free is. So the minute he becomes free, he no longer has any motivation. I get what you're saying though but his reasoning is not relatable enough in Brotherhood. It might be in the Manga but I haven't read it. And about Scar, he is a total hypocrite up until he admits that he was wrong so what was the purpose of his earlier character arc where he was being build up as this anti-hero that soon turned out to be Winry's Parents' killer. The whole storyline was so dumb. Why would an injured guy kill someone who saved his life for no reason and then blame all the State Alchemists for the tragedy, then suddenly become an ally. You know how stupid that sounds. Homunculus are brain-washed monsters created by the 7 seven deadly sins of Father. Having a dominant personality trait like Wrath or Pride doesn't count as being a motivation. Wrath is technically a human so he should have some reason to why he obeys Father. Sloth and Gluttony are too weird. Lust is too Bland and Generic, Envy is to pathetic and Pride is basically Wen from Cowboy Bebop's episode 6: Sympathy for the Devil. By Black and White I mean, there is a definite Good side "Hohenhiem, Edward and Mustang's side" and a defined Evil "Father's and Bradley's soldiers". In the Original Series series you had People manipulating people and a degree selfishness and selflessness. A clash of Ideology's and Beliefs and reality being unsatisfying and disturbing. Also Ed's Atheism makes no sense in Brotherhood since he met God.
FMA's version of Nina becoming the chimera is so much more heart wrenching than the Brotherhoods version. They really took you into depth on Nina and how important her relationship was with the brothers.
They took more time to care about the character and make us emotionally attached to them but other than that the writing of their characters is the same.
It sounds trival, but Nina was absolutely adoreable in the original anime. But it doesn't matter-my heart broke when I saw what happened to her in both the original and Brotherhood.
In FMAB they rushed through a lot of the initial story, I think exactly because it had already been told in the first anime. They wanted to get to the parts of the manga that the first series hadn't told.
@xInfoRaderx Actually, I believe the slow release times of the manga at the time of FMA forced production to lengthen the story greatly in hopes they wouldn't outpace the manga. In a positive manner this allowed us to connect more with certain characters (especially Nina and Hughes) which made their endings so much more impactful. But the negative point was that we often got a bit more filler content. In the end though the manga releases were simply too slow (thank goodness, the author took the time to create a masterpiece rather than just release weekly for the check) so FMA did its own ending. TBH I'm thankful for it. I got such a satisfying beginning to the series in the FMA anime, but later got to rejoice when Brotherhood released and witness the full story in all its glory. I still watch Brotherhood in full once a year.
I cried when the doctor who treated lan fan got visited by his family. Idk man, the way the guy just wanted to enjoy coffee with his family made me break
Hughes' death is one of the saddest in all the series. It hits you hard because he's an awesome guy and has a great family. When his daughter is crying at the funeral asking why they're putting dirt on him that he wont be able to finish work, killed me. especially since I lost my dad at young age .
Dear Wisecrack, this episode was terribly important to me, and you have teased for a while now. I watched FMA and FMA BH in school alone on my computer, and though I had no one to talk to or discuss the show with in my small Indian town, the show had it's effect. Now I am post graduate Sociologist who works on medical Anthropology and teaches science fiction on the side. So ya, FMA REALLY got things started for me. me. Now having finally watched the fabled episode, and all I can say is thank you! Thank you so very much for the care, the dedication, the rigor and most of all the joy that resonates through all your videos, and especially through this one. It's an indulgence, a pleasure and most of all an honor watching your channel. 🙏
What are you talking about? this video may be the worst in Wisecrack's history. They made mistakes, appealed to logical fallacies and based many premises on false statements.
I agree with Larry. This episode made the biggest mistake of reducing science as a mere belief. But I am sure as a sociologist you already know that. Either way, awesome that you got to follow your dreams and become who you are today. I am a journalism graduate and have been considering to go for Sociology myself. It's nice to see a fellow Indian doing great. Kudos to you bro.
Father's souls did not rebel to get out, it was Hohenhiem that reversed Father's circle, releasing their souls back to their owners. Father no longer had the souls to maintain the form of God. Father succeeded for a mere few seconds, in becoming god.
David Evans that's right bro! Hohenheim just used the souls inside him to draw the points of the reverse transmutation circle all around Amestris, which would activate just in time because of the artificial solar eclipse.
Giving credit where it is due. I think the video author implied his own beliefs to the anime, which is fine and all. But not for what the intended message or plot is....
well don't forget that hohenheim did state that he did talk to every soul that was trapped inside of him and him and those work together to stop father. If i am remebering correctly
David Evans I don't think the one point being wrong means he just put his own beliefs on the show. We don't even know if these are his beliefs he just makes the videos
He succeeded in becoming A god, (as in a being greater than humanity) but he didn't magically take the place of the truth or a creator... he was his own entity.
After my 4th rewatch, I now just picked up that Hohenheim brought alchemy to Xing which turned into Alkahestry and become a key counter to Father’s Alchemy... This show just keeps getting better the more you rewatch it 👌🏼
@@kaloca but on a serious note, I never sat down and digested the finer points of the story until the 4th rewatch. I come back to the story once a year to purely enjoy the show, not to necessarily hone in on the finer details and nuances. It’s just that I decided to turn on my brain on the 4th rewatch 🤷🏽♂️
@@kaloca fair play, my bad for being pretty combative earlier. I think the reason why I personally didn’t get it (although I do agree that it was somewhat clear from the scene) the first time is that I never binged watched the series until the 4th watch. I’d always watch it spontaneously so a lot of finer details didn’t really sink in during those rewatches 🤷🏽♂️
Ignore Melonmazing and watch which ever you want. Brotherhood is closer to the source material and has higher quality animation. Both are great though. They do have WILDLY different second halves so I suggest both.
I’m a strict Christian and I love fmab because it acknowledges the idea that humans are more than the sum of our parts and the soul is an infinitely valuable thing
As a Christian I love how this show demonstrates there needs to be a balance between science and God. Science helps us to understand His creation and even admire it, while God gives everything purpose and life. That is truth
Brotherhood 1. Cause it follows the manga 2. No Filler 3. Animation is crisp and very well done 4. The action scenes are brilliant 5. Brotherhood also explores other characters to great detail at the same time 6. The characters developed much better over the course of the anime, gaining much more depth and realism. They felt more alive to me. 7. Amazing Ending Brotherhood ❤️❤️❤️
THANK YOU for literally explaining exactly WHY FMA:B is the BEST SHOUNEN ANIME EVER MADE. It's not just the characters, the music, the animation that's top-notch, it's the AMAZING PLOT that speaks volumes about the human condition and important moral lessons that apply even today from a completely unbiased point of view of NEITHER science NOR religion. THANK YOU!
@Alone lover Truth is god, in fact its Everything. In the show Truth calls itself, “The world”, “The Universe”, “God.” Truth is all things in the universe and, therefore, the closest thing to the concept of "God" to appear in the series.
@@ditditlord5153 FAITH is belief in things you don't have good evidence for, things you can't prove. Theism is a belief in gods or some similar ultimate controlling/creating power. Atheism is lacking any positive beliefs in the existence of gods. If one comes to believe in the existence of gods, they would no longer be an atheist regardless of how they came to that belief.
I've been through watching this series 3 times in my life. Watching the original animation back when I was a budding teenager, around 12 - 13, and I had then thought it was one of the deepest, darkest and most compelling (in all ways) series that I've ever seen. Then I watched Brotherhood a few years after, actually having no idea what it is - just the excitement alone that there was something new FMA related. This then topped the original completely, and there has been little else that I've watched afterwards that have even come close to it afterwards. It was complete in a way that the first wasn't. It hit all the marks, and then those that I didn't even know could be hit for me. Then, just near the end of last year, I rewatched FMAB. And again, it reaffirmed for me how this is probably the best series I've ever watched, period. This series is a fucking trip, and if you let it, it will broaden your mind and expose you to things that will change life for you (as any good series / form of entertainment should). I've no doubt that I'll probably be watching this series again before I pass from this world.
The difference between ideology and philosophy is that the former is not self-critical and hence cannot enter into sympathetic relation with what seems to oppose its ideological fixation. The problem is acute in religion and politics, where people tend, by the very nature of their commitments, to become locked into their dogmatic certitudes, unable to appreciate other positions from within. The problem is ideology. One can make an ideology of science as well.
Dominique Martinez How so? Literally the methods of the destruction of society in order to reform a new Communist order has been implemented dozens of times according to Marx's teachings via the policy introduced in the Weimar Republik's Frankfurt School. The problem with "criticism" between the sects of Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Pol Pot...ism, Marxism and more are due to each form of the former and the to-be failing. It's the ultimate "No True Scotsman" fallacy that is employed by Marxists such as Castro and Maduro when they understand that their people are too stupid to understand that the failure of Marxism is not that people suck but rather that people want to accumulate wealth to protect their children. Marxism never cared about the person or proletariat. Marx never gave a shit about the little guy. Neo-Marxists and socialists and anarchists today don't give a shit about them either. Read Marx's Theses of Fuerbach. They all want to use you, dump you off into a ditch with a bullet in your skull and then NTS fallacy their way across the country.
Does this mean that all of religion deals with the problem of ideology, while science does not have this problem unless it becomes an ideology? I might agree with this, but is there a way for religious belief to be approached philosophically rather than ideologically? Or would that end in never ending questions similar to science? Which might defeat the purpose of religion. Though I suppose one could make a religion out of never ending questions.
But can society function without ideology? Even the pursuit of science is a result of ideology. Why should we as a society value science? The valuing aspect itself is part of ideology.
This is by far my favourite anime(obviously) and I was initially sceptical that this would be a accurate video but thanks Wisecrack for making such a insightful and accurate video on FMA. I Appreciate this a lot and it goes to show that Anime and Manga have truly flourished here in the West.
People also tend to forget that almost all examples of Bad Science, like Mengele experiments, come from places and times, that had very strong and morally questionable... ideology. Science is a tool. You of course can believe in it religiously, but that just means there's something wrong with _you,_ not the tool.
Hence the differentiation between "science" and "scientism". Science is a tool, scientism is an ideology . And it's often inmixed with other ideologies, such as social darwinism, fascism, utilitarianism and others. An interesting aspect of this is that you can often see the scientific worldview of a given time in the ideologies that spawned in that time. The problem is that people don't understand the limits of science, unless perhaps if they are scientists themselves. Nowhere in education (short of college-grade philosophy classes) are people taught that science is just a tool, and there are places where you'd better not use it.
No. Maybe you can say you prefer it, or even that it is better, but FMAB boasts one of the best, most beloved English dubs of all time. This is one time you can't just claim subs are better because subs. Personally I prefer dub because it the European-esque setting makes it feel more natural to hear it in English, but sometimes I read the subs because there is subtlety to the language sometimes missed by the dubs
Aldurnamiyanrandvora I prefer the sub because they’re voice actors put so much passion into them. They’re voices are perfect when comic relief scenes come on. When Ed first finds Alphonse’s body and the iconic scene is perfect. Compare them.
I would return that despite the generally higher calibre of Japanese seiyuu, I vastly prefer Travis Willingham's performance of Roy burning envy over Shinichiro Miki. I would argue the very fact we can compare them shows the superiority of dub and sub subjective.
I am a Christian and avid believer in scientific discovery as well and I have to say that this video is perfect. Those who believe in their science as perfect will fall just as hard as those who believe their ideals are perfect. As a certain woman from Star Wars KOTOR II would say "If you are not willing to betray your ideals, then you are only a blind fool who follows dogmatism." It is the understanding that no one path is perfect that allows us to change our ideas and grow in the process.
To be clear, the problem here isn't science, it is people taking science to an extreme without concern of the cost. The largest difference between science and religion (in terms of explaining the world) is science actually updates its explanations to better fit new findings and is testable and repeatable. Religion is faith based... and usually takes some major disaster to cause a change in their explanations. Alphonse and Edward are actually best described as true scientists instead of dogmatic followers. That they don't blindly accept alchemy as the only answer is akin to copernicus saying the sun is the center as opposed to the earth.
"true scientists" please do not use no-true scotsman, besides they are akin to philosophers that happen to adopt science as their preferred means of information gathering than just scientists.
Humans are always the problem, be it in science or religion. Humans interpret. If done poorly, results will be poor aswell. Religious scriptures can be confusing to navigate for instance with many seemingly contrary information. If you take from it that striving towards altruism is the purpose of life. Then most would probably agree a such viewpoint would be preferable. If you take from it that people must follow your religion and that this must be achieved in any way possible. You get holy wars and most people probably dont like wars. Likewise practioners of science often do so with a purpose. If you see science as an ultimate tool towards knowledge and that knowledge should be achieved through any price. You are... Mengele(not neccesarily, but still on a dangerous path). If you see science as a means to progress the wellbeing of humans, you might be more inclined towards having boundaries and realize not all prices are prices to be paid. Hence philosophy and wisdom. Science and religion in itself is a form of philosophy though, or atleast born through philosophy. Which is basically thought and reason. People trying to find answers to various questions, coming up with methods to do so, such as science. Or teachings about purpose and moralism. Which is more akin to religion, but there also exists philosophies which does not fall under religion.
I love the philosophy of FMAB & agree that we shouldn't blindly follow any methodology. Science has proven itself perhaps the most useful method of understanding reality, but that doesn't mean other methods should be rejected. If we as a species were more open minded, accepted the fact that we know barely enough about our own existence & reality itself to be so confident in our understanding of things, & were more willing to adapt our beliefs, we as a species would be so much more superior than what we are now.
scientist already acknowledge that the don't know everything. what methods are you talking about? what beliefs? Are you saying we should fill the gaps in our knowledge with 'beliefs'? can you elaborate?
And that's pretty much how scientists already think. They know they don't know everything and that's why they're always working to learn and discover new things. So it really sounds like you agree with the scientific method and want it to continue?
I don't think anyone in this comment section actually understands what they are saying. The concept of "Science can be applied to research and create stuff that I find morally wrong, so we shouldn't follow strictly science" is just laughably ignorant. Science is not a fucking religion, or philosophy, or mythology, or any of the shit people seem to be comparing it to in this comment section. Science by definition is the breaking down and understanding of the universes fundamentals. A 'science', when speaking of a perfect science, is a complete understanding of how a system works. For example, you could consider the following a science. If you cause the growth of movement of a particle, you are increasing what is deemed as 'heat' in that particle. That is something that simply works. We as a species have done it, and can measure and see it happen. I simply do not see why people in this comment section equate an understanding of that caliber to the laughable concept of a religion. A religion is blind no matter what you are told or taught. Believing in something you cannot know to be true is like flipping a coin, not looking at it, and being positive that it landed on heads. For no logical reason. If you were to instead actually look at that coin and know it landed on tails, that would be the equivalent of science in that metaphor.
What is God? A divine being. Always been there and will always be there. The creator of all and the destroyer of all. Can not be created or destroyed. The source of all life and existence. What is Energy? An endless power. Always been there and will always be there. The creator of all and the destroyer of all. Can not be created or destroyed. The source of all life and existence. What is science with out doubt and what is religion with out faith? In my opinion, you can not have one with out the other. Religion can create radicals that kill their fellow man. It can also bring us together in peace. Science can create weapons to destroy ourselves. It can also find cures for diseases. I love both religion and science!
The way I see things is like this: - philosophy is what sparks my curiosity to question. - Science is what allows me to find the knowledge I seek. - Faith is what drives me through it all, let's me know every thing will be alright. Because I belive everything in this universe is possible, because I belive I haven't seen it all I keep an open mind.
When you mention faith, do you mean in a creator, or an afterlife? Or do you mean faith in something else that I'm not thinking of. I certainly hope you don't mean in a higher power of some form, because at that point you've lost me. Logically there is no reason to believe in a higher power. The possibility of one existing is exactly equivalent to that of one not existing, and thus is pointless to consider anything more than an interesting possibility. Going so far as to put your faith in it being the truth is about as illogical as you can be.
Golden Pants believing in a higher being and believing in a Big Bang are both questionable. Nobody has confirmed either, and probably never will, so stop saying it is illogical and let people believe what they want to believe. If faith helps them get through things you should not bash it(you didn't really "bash" it but you get the idea)
No I don't believe in a higher power. Faith is to belive, not necessarily in a higher power but you could have faith in some one. My parents have told me before " I have faith in you" meaning they belive in me, even though the future is uncertain. Even with all the scientific back up, there is no telling what radically freaky result might occur, so deep down we all hope everything will be alright. This is what I mean, might not make sense to some but that's because that's just my point of view.
Science is a tool. Like all tools, it can create wonders or incur horrors depending on who the wielder is and what his/her morals (i.e. ideological/existential/philosophical approach) are. We definitely need all approaches to the cosmos, just like we need our 5 physical senses and don't try to decide whether one is superior to the other.
Science provides knowledge. The wonders and horrors come from those who apply it, which usually isn't scientists. We need all sensory data and reason to make sense of them = science. (BTW for nitpickers, counting and classifying senses is a bit arbitrary and of course, vision is certainly the superior "sense";-))
Jeongheon Lee Lol, you actually first make a metaphysical claims or certain observation, and those that hold upto scrutiny and reality is then codified as scientific fact. If it aint true, then its not a scientific fact.
Yes science is indeed a tool not an ideology as the video tries to portray, and we should dismiss other ways to explain the natural world if they dont have prediction capabilites and dont align with reality because if thats the case they are useless in a pratical sense.I think the video makes very weak points and talk about full metal in a very biased way to try to force a false correlation "some fucked up people use science to do some fucked up shit and because of this the other perspectives of how the world works are automaticaly right"
I just finished watching this an hour ago......I’m lost for words and so glad I finally got around to watching it. That’s how you make a complete anime and work of art ~cough~ Promised Neverland ~cough~. If you’re on the fence, just watch it! You won’t regret it.
He was all-powerful (not omnipotent, only Truth is omnipotent) for a very short while when he just summoned a sun in his hand. But then he got screwed by the souls of Xerxes.
he assumed he was an actual god, when his power was still limited by the souls in the stone, just because he was the strongest it didn't mean he could defeat everybody alone because everybody working together were still more powerful, like dictators that assume they have all the power until the population gets angry enough to fight and then they remember they are just an avatar of the power of the people
I just finished watching this, (I cried a bit) but I highly doubt I will ever find any anime or series/movie in general better than this one, this is by far the best thing I have ever watched. Also, I watched the English dubbed version, I think the voices make more sense in the english version, they fit the people better
nah, its pretty bad it fundamentally misundertands science, the way he puts it is like saying that the knife causes the stab and not the person that uses the tool, cause that's everything both of them are.
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First off, this video was beautiful. FMAB has always been my favorite anime (and arguably my favorite show) and this video really hit the nail on many of the reasons why (and brought up some I hadn't thought of before either). Also, it reminded me of a couple quotes; the first is from Haim Ginott in a letter to a teacher: "Dear Teacher, I am a survivor of a concentration camp. My eyes saw what no man should witness: Gas chambers built by learned engineers. Children poisoned by educated physicians. Infants killed by trained nurses. Women and babies shot and burned by high school and college graduates. So I am suspicious of education. My request is: Help your students become human. Your efforts must never produce learned monsters, skilled psychopaths, educated Eichmanns. Reading, writing, arithmetic are important only if they serve to make our children more human." And, on on a similar note from C.S. Lewis,: "Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil." Knowledge and science are great, but unless you have some higher moral standard to appeal to, then sheer materialism can do little to preserve any sort of virtue.
ebimo indiamaowei I like dub better for this one. All the characters have European names and appearances so the names and voices don't sound out of place, and the performances are some of the best I've heard in both Japanese and English voice acting. edit: Most of the characters in Amestris, not all the characters
For me, FMAB was one of my favorite animes due to the relationship between Alfons and Edward, I always thought that was Edward did to retrieve his brother's body is the same of what I would do for my brother, I would give everything for him, that there are thing that can not be put in the balance of the science thought, that sometimes you do things that seems unreasonable for what your beliefs are. Now with this video I only reassure my feelings for this anime, as I think that science is great, but I hate when people think less of someone who also believe in religion as if it was something wrong to believe in something else and that it is like if you do, you automatically do not believe in science.
Correct me if I am wrong but I think the point alot of people are missing is that blind faith in anything can be dangerous. Equivalent Exchange is, in FMA, is a scientific principal but there are some who worship this principal to justify genocide. I don't think this was supposed to be anti-science or anti-religion. I think it is to bring up the similarities between the two. Science is looked not a fact (at least I'm America) but as opinion. Similar we have Christian sciences being seen as fact and being taught in our schools. Should we have a separation of science and state similarly as we have church and state? Personally I don't think so at least not entirely. We base our laws on reason and being fair and just to all. I think we should continue that but allow science to grow and be protected the same way we do with religion. I apologise if I ramble on a bit.
...no... This isn't some justification for creationism to be taught alongside the theory of evolution in public schools. It is the exact opposite. The whole point is to implore every individual to think for themselves using logic and critical thought. This is not some reductionist argument stating science as opinion. This is not an argument for moving the goalposts to justify another debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye, or a congressional ordered debate about the veracity of anthropogenic climate change. That's a logical fallacy. This argument clearly states that while Science and Religion have their places in society and can both be sources of knowledge, they are both different sources of knowledge and serve different functions in society. They are not one in the same to be compared like apples and oranges. Logic and critical thought are and always will be the baseline.
a lot of people cling onto something,and say "this is fact and there's no other way". the hypocritical part is both "parties" wear that hat,while claiming only the other does. meanwhile,things happen,and the people who do seek other perspective discover new things. so neither is better for the label they choose,as much as they like to think so, turns out the actual world doesn't care- there's so much to explore when people aren't bickering.(though that point inevitably brings up "but my foe started it! they won't just accept my point of view!" which is ironic)
If you don't want to believe something, even if you experienced it yourself, you'll usually find a way to explain it. Say, a convinced atheist sees an angel one day. You might assume that would change his mind into being a theist, but he'll probably assume he was hallucinating. The thing about science is that it doesn't make assumptions based on the unknown (see Occam's Razor), and hence has to exclude all unknowns from it's world view. And obviously, the existence of any supernatural entity is a giant unprovable and uncalcuatable assumption. Which is why science never makes that assumption. It wouldn't even do so in the face of a literal voice from heaven or anything of the sort. So someone who adapts science as a world view can't accept the supernatural as a part of it, even if confronted with it. That's where the "magic is science we just haven't understood yet" - mindset comes from. The assumption that the laws of nature are absolute, and that there is nothing that is above them. Now, science doesn't actually say that. Iit just doesn't ask that question, since it can only observe the natural world. But scientism does, assuming that anything science can't explain just can't be real.
Josh Trick the god in that universe is not a creator and not a wish-granter. He is just a perfect being; is it atheism to say that God is not all-powerful and has limitations? (in a sense the God is a manifestation of alchemy, right)
Daniel B I'd say atheism is the denial of the idea of an intelligent supernatural being. There are plenty of religions with gods that have limitations, but none that consider their gods to be without intelligence.
Rockyblack smith I meant within the given universe: Atheism is a weird term for FMA as there definitely exists some great being and calling ed atheist is even weirder.
"as there definitely exists some great being" That doesn't mean that people have to recognise it's existence. As soon as you recognise the existence of some higher being, even with limits to it's power, that has an effect on your view of the world and you have to factor it in to your decisions. If you don't do that, then your actions are the same as if you thought this god didn't exist, making you, in effect, an atheist. And it is in this sense that you could describe Ed as an atheist at the beginning of the story. And in a sense, Father (who doesn't want to see god as a superiour being, but wants to absorb him) is an atheist as well.
I never heard the ever-important sentence that is essential to explaining this series: "Science is an epistemic philosophy, not a moral one". Science is the only current system that uses data to create predictive models of the universe, AKA it is empiricist pragmatism. This means that science is only concerned with things that have measurable effects and that can thus be tested repeatedly. Many would question why science would leave out all other forms of knowledge, but the problem with that approach is that if a thing literally has no repeatable, measurable impact, why would we bother with it? What is the difference between it being real or not being real? In this light, to critique science itself is to propose that things that have no measurable properties exist and are in any way important or real. Science is the only truly relevant way to look at reality, but you shouldn't base your morality on it, since science isn't prescriptive, it's descriptive. I think this is the core message of the series. In this sense, the tree never made a sound if no one was there to hear it. We can cut down a million other trees to see if they make a sound and then make a model that suggests the tree made a sound... Or maybe our model says it didn't. Remains to be seen.
Speaking of empiricism: do movies like Matrix and Inception propose its opposite rationalism? And is rationalism just as valid in exploring the scientific realm? Or should rationalism be left to morality?
@@jlupus8804 I've not thought too much about representations of empiricism's "competition" in popular media. And I don't think rationalism should be left to morality, as it doesn't deal with moral questions. I think that if your system cannot be applied to getting over a road consistently without being hit by a truck, it is a worthless epistemic system, however. Not a lot of people out there using rationalism instead of looking both ways, which is science and could be called "a verificationist experiment using sensory information". Rationalists don't live up to their own system.
@@joalampela8612 You mean they use their senses more often than their rational thought? I can see that. I guess my question is, in a simulated world like the Matrix or Inception, can empiricism still be trusted?
@@jlupus8804 I fail to see the relevance in the whole "is this a simulation or reality" -debacle. If this is all that you will ever exist in, then what would make gathering information about any other potential reality useful at all? It's not like you can use that information for anything inside your own reality/simulation. In what sense is that data "true" if it doesn't correspond to anything and can't be used for anything? Once you got out of the Matrix or woke up in Inception, you would still use empiricism to determine reality. It's just that you'd have new data to add to the simulation or dream.
@@joalampela8612 yep, even if we are in fact living inside a simulation, as long the the laws of physic are consistent, it doesn't matter whether or not they are arbitrary, i am agnostic because i don't have enough faith to be an atheist, so i believe that even if God exist, be it an alien or a computer program, science is still worth it whether the laws of universe were created by a sentient entity or not
What an interesting video! You've just made the only allegoric connection about FMA and Nazism that I can accept (and believe, me, that's a lot!) Very interesting points indeed. Gonna save it for future references.
Awesome video with a lot of emotions attached to it. Memories from the series. Well done and well explained. This was the first time I enjoyed and was so thrilled to watch an entire RUclips video 22 minutes straight! I usually get bored at 5 or 7 minutes.
its simple, dont be a douche to everything and everyone, question and measure th results of your actions and beliefs and take responsability of them. use whatever means to stand and move forward, be it science, religion or ideology but be truth to yourself always, know that just beacause you "believe" in something or "know" something you could be wrong. learn to not be scared of being wrong and question the info you get. again, be truth to yourself, if you believe in god because faith makes you feel better. sometimes we tell bullshit to make us feel better, just dont forget is bullshit. since i watched this anime and the previous one i was having a hard time with my beliefs and my knowledge and everything was crumbling in my mind. so i decided i needed faith to make me feel my problems were small compared to what the idea of a god could solve. so i have faith that this god is by my side because i chose to take a path this god presented to me and i decided to take it, this path is not distant from science, but there are things in my mind and in my soul that cant be filled with science
I missed the anime, the scene where Edward et al in Briggs discovered the whole truth, so i rewached ep. 35. Then 36. Until the ending. Now I am at ep. 1. Reverse watching.
The original FMA is widely considered the poorer adaptation of a manga that many people like more. FMA:B follows that manga much closer making many, including myself, see it as superior. It's hard to even call them the same series after a certain episode for this reason.
@@samueltukua3061 yet some people argue it is better in some parts, specially early in the story, ignoring the fact that brotherhood glassed over the early parts specifically because they assumed the viewer would have seen the original, and the early parts where still close enough to the manga
I watched this when I was 15, I have to rewatch it now that I'm actually having way more knowledge on philosophy (from personal reading and philosophy studies)
Thiest who see this video shouldn't use it to justify their beliefs. Science IS a more valid form of viewing the world, and I say that because of how many scientific theories have been proven true and have helped mankind go forward. Although I'm not outright rejecting religion, as religions were crucial in forming a one minded society in ancient times, and was used to form morality and deter primitive behaviour. But in this modern world, we need to look at science more so than religion, which has since become twisted and less essential for most.
Perhaps make a distinction between religion and spirituality. Science is more valid in terms of discovering how and why the universe operates, its purpose is separate from what religions purpose is. While many would use their religion as a poor man's science, in an attempt to explain aspects of the world or confirm ill held ideologies, religions true purpose is in seeking personal happiness and contentment (and honestly it becomes more spirituality at this point). Because these two hold ultimately different purposes, neither science nor religion can be considered more valid than the other because they can coexist harmoniously. Its like saying Chemistry IS more valid than Art! They serve different, very important functions in a persons life.
NGE doesn't *have* any "philosophy". The creators themselves admitted that. They just threw in a shit ton of christian symbolism because according to them it looked "cool".
Neon Genesis Evangelion doesn't have fundamental philosophy in the sense that FMAB does. It is more of an exploration of psychological consequences of running away from your problems and the inability to change oneself. Let me explain. In the anime, Shinji and Asuka are both very much rejected children from their individual families, both developing insecurities and coping differently. Whereas Shinji becomes introverted, detaching himself from social situations, Asuka lashes out. Asuka compensates for her insecurities by behaving narcissistically and relying on her piloting the eva skills as her importance and identity. This is further exemplified during their awkward kiss. Asuka held that kiss very long, desiring Shinji to do something-anything. She wanted reassurance in herself and for someone to value her. Shinji was passive because he was afraid of rejection and getting hurt. When he doesn't do this, Asuka retreats back to her abusive personality (trying hard to not show any signs that she is emotionally hurt). We see the tragedy of miscommunication. Both have similar problems yet neither are able to help eachother due to the fact that their unhealthy methods of coping ultimately stops them (Shinji detaching out of fear and Asuka creating an abusive facade). Watch Asuka's mental breakdown clip on youtube and you will see her dwell on that kiss asking "Why are you hear god damn it. You won't love me. You won't hold me. You don't do anything." When someone watches the kiss clip for the first time they lack the proper context of what Asuka was thinking. It is only through this clip that her introspection becomes clear. She is clearly hurt (you see her in the bathroom about the cry but later makes believe that she just needs to brush her teeth to maintain false appearances). Now it is intentional that the story becomes less about the Angels and more about the Instrumentality project. See, instrumentality would be a means to blur the lines of individuality, therefore removing all pain from oneself. Shinji's father makes the conclusion that pain is a consequence of autonomy. However this is simply running away from your problems. Shinji rejects instrumentality in end of evangelion (his thought process being shown in the anime ending ep 24 and 25 as him discovering value in his identity). The movie ends in a bitter way with Asuka saying "How disgusting." But what is more important is the damn cover of the movie. The cover of end of evangelion is a scene directly after the movie ends. You see Asuka and Shinji both looking, rather peacefully, in the distance. The quote is present "The fate of destruction is the joy of rebirth." This is important because it describes a kind of hope in that these two characters were finally able to come to terms with themselves and no longer run from their anxiety and problems. So I don't Evangelion is without philosophy. Quite the contrary. Yes it is infamous in its attempt to mindfuck and just blurt out symbolism for the sake of symbolism because the director thought it was cool. This is true. But observing that fact does not remove the perfectly well thought out ideas in the series. Hideaki Anno came up with this during a darker part of his life, to add some context. A lot of his feelings and emotions were projected onto the characters. And honestly a lot of people can and have related to the fears and weaknesses of these flawed characters. Whether its Misato's attempt to balance her emotional side and logical side. Shinji trying to develop interpersonal relations but stops out of fear of rejection. Asuka trying to affirm her self worth desperately but doesn't want to seem weak so she maintains an abusive and selfish personality. Etc Etc. You see a common psychological theme here. I could go on. There is so much more to talk about regarding Akagi, the duality of science and spirituality, the nature of escapism as a prevailing theme, etc. But I just want to offer this modest example of the complexity of this series. So please don't dismiss it due to its infamous appeal for mindfuck and intentional habit of obscuring the truth in its narrative.
Tucker wasn't seeking scientific progress, he wanted the financial security that comes with being a state alchemist. That's a pretty huge distinction to make here.
I have been searching for a video like this for so long because the philosophy and meaning of this anime has always been so important and interesting to me and this was here the whole time
I am a bit annoyed that you start out describing the difference between the process of science and the ideology of scientism and then just spend the rest of the episode using the terms as though they where interchangeable. Kinda goes against the point you seem to be trying to make.
Copernicus is a bad example beacuse his model of the solar system produced worse results than the model already existed (caused by the model being of circular motion and eliptical), and the model was excepted before Newton after the works of Kepler
Humanity will use any justification for whatever it wants to do. Faith and science in equal measure for war and racism, as well as charity and humanitarian actions
I think we can all agree the most baffling thing in the series is how the transmutation circles are always perfect.
Lue Jeniel Cruz I swear one third of state alchemist training has to do with drawing perfect circles.
With training snd drawing enough circles you too can draw a perfect circle. 😉
They just have a good art teacher. Training isn't really dealt with in this series. Read Amulet of Samarkand if you want that kind of thing.
First you draw a head, then erase some of the more detailed features and 1 2 3 a perfect circle.
If you're drawing circles a thousand times. You're bound to get it
The lesson here is simple.
Edwards Truth is this:
"A human should never aspire to be God, but to aspire to be himself."
That's actually a pretty comprehensive summary of the story's central theme. Nice.
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Thanks 😁👌
Isnt that Nietzsche in a nutshell ^^
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I suppose it is lol
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I haven't studied anything of his in over a decade at least, so i can't give a concrete yes without looking him up again. Lol
Also something to keep in mind: Hohenheim treated the souls in him like people, not as mere energy, and it allowed him to defeat Father. Caring for your fellow man isn't a weakness, it's the greatest strength a person can ever have
Some of you may know this, I just find this few years ago and wanna share this information just too make a good push that FMAB is a masterpiece and surely it is.
It was the ironic death of the homunculus;
Lust - killed by a man
Gluttony - got eaten
Envy - suicide
Sloth - overwork
Wrath - died in peace
Pride - beg for his life
Greed - self-sacrifice.
holy godayum
And after they all die the world becomes a better place a peaceful world
Also the all knowing father died not knowing what he did wrong
Our Father - got a timeout for misbehaving.
Balance of opposites
I'll do you one better for a few of these
Lust - killed by a man whose motivation was to protect those he *loved* (Roy; I don't think being killed by the opposite sex was the point lol)
Sloth - killed/defeated by a man (Major Armstrong) who was disgraced by his perceived "lack of action" (laziness or sloth) in Ishval
Pride - killed by a boy who later acknowledges his own arrogance (Edward)
Wrath - killed by a man who FOUND peace after initially being driven by his own wrath (Scar)
I can't _believe_ you didn't include Edward's amazing closing monologue, where he summarizes not just what he learned but what he learned _about learning..._ that growing beyond oneself in spite the obstacles leaves one with "a heart made *_fullmetal._* " (/"a fullmetal heart.") Just about the most perfect final line to any story I've ever experienced, with the thematic twist on the title and main character's epithet.
too young for this bruh
That is one of my favorite quotes you wouldn’t even have to see this to be touched by it.👍 At the end of this masterpiece I was blown away by that after what I had just witnessed.
One word my friend: copyright
main character's 💩
danial ong he is one of the best shonen protagonists what are you taking about lmao
I made the mistake of choosing this as my first anime to watch. So far nothing has come close
I have the same feeling. Watching FMA/FMA Brotherhood was a bit of mistake. Nothing satisfies. The only show that came close was Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Same
steins;gate it's really good too
Attack on titan?
@@allah9896 very good but definitely not better than fma:b
"Life cannot be balanced like an equation. Good deeds do not erase the evil ones."
~ Einstein in National Geographic's 'Genius'
Keep in mind Einstein was referring to actual wrong doings, Taoism’s Yin and Yang are NOT good and evil, it refers to intertwining sides/forces (such as night and day, light and darkness, Masculinity and Femininity and etc.) that if not balanced and goes to the extreme of either side, LEADS to evil, what’s evil is imbalance and extremeism. This is what Buddhism and spirituality itself is all about.
+Jason Sacula Who said anything about taoism or Yin & Yang??
oh nos. but masculinity and femninity are trans/agender/intersex phobic. there is no truth there because....sex is a social construct
Jason Sacuta. The golden mean of Aristotle. The extremes of a concept, rise and intertwine, becoming something not quite the ideal, but rather, a whole greater than the sum of it's parts.
No it's not. Because males can be feminine and females can be masculine. No matter what you indentify with, the energy you exude is either [predominantly] masculine or feminine.
Don't believe everything your liberal arts professors tell you.
Izumi Curtis was my favorite character in this entire show. Admittedly, this is personal. However, I really appreciated how there was subtly and depth to her character. Part of the reason that Ed and Al bonded to her was because they saw her as a strong willed mother figure that provided discipline and strength. However, this worked both ways. Ed and Al gave Izumi comfort and faith, allowing her to take on the role of a mother figure that she couldn't experience before. She also provides the philosophy of "all is one and one is all" which ends up serving as the foundation for not only the brothers but also the audience. We end up realizing how this entire universe is tied together and how you can't find shortcuts to escape it. When we see her at first you might think "okay, she's an edgy loner" but no, that's not the case. That is completely intentional for the story. While General Armstrong is very militaristic and goal oriented, not willing to expose her real personality to others, Izumi has a gentle heart shielded by a rough exterior and she thinks about the big picture before anything else. She ends up embracing her identity as an alchemist because she sees how the Elric brothers learn to keep moving forward instead of hiding from the past. While she may seem to be a violent person she cares deeply about others and has an appreciation for life which is the foundation for the Elric Brother's journey. This arguably one of the most compelling characters in the entire series!
She really is! The only bad thing about her was that she wasn’t in more of the show.
The Armstrong siblings are both fabulous tho-when the general joins the good guys it makes this shit *transcend*
Great analogy and I absolutely agree. I love the way the Elric brothers fill in the missing child(ren) aspect in Izumi's life, while she fills the caring mother one in theirs. Izumi and Edward's explosive yet wise personalities match very tightly too, which I love a lot.
Agreed! She essentially taught and prepared them for the basis of life which she herself has a unique understanding but mainly the equation of life=death.
@@thomster8639 I feel like she's more so on the cold side cause she knows what they have been through and understands that they need to and will grow up fast.
My favorite part was when the brothers were at Brigs, and it is mentioned that someone 20 years ago or something broke in, and we realize it was Izumi
This makes me want to watch the whole series again
Deity Saturn Same
Same dude
Deity Saturn i reall want a new series more since there is a story to be told since they do go traveling and such be cool to see al in his body be the main character and such but you know real life movie not ready for that scary part with nina saying brother and as a dog yeah its gonna happen i seen the pic of ed and al sitting out in the cold on the steps before the building its gonna happen
Everything about this series makes me want to watch it again. It's a great series.
Yup it does so I did
I'm still fucked up about the Chimera episode :(
Ique ed...ward brother ed
Erick Melecio God Damn It!!!!!! *Cries an ocean*
sorry you can't see Nina today. Shes feeling a bit ruff
Nina and her dog are practically inseparable
the pig goes oink
the cow goes MOOO
the dog goes ed...ward
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a piece of ART
I still consider it the best and most "whole" anime ever made.
As a scientist myself, I was taught by my teachers that science without heart isn't worth it.
i hope you become successful in your life!
so you got what your teacher mean ? it's simple mean btw
...or science without a conscience. Same goes for religion.
I think that science is just one piece of a complete person another is religion (spiritual well being) physical well being
No, you should be like shou tucker. Science with shackles is useless for the advancement of humanity.
anyone else cried when Winry said "how about I just give you my whole life?"
nope
No
I cried when Knox's family went to visit and he cried :(
heart, not life
Of course I cried
I actually love how FMAB’s creator (forgot her name) seemed to intentionally focus on the more philosophical ideas behind Alchemy. In the (old) basic scientific Alchemy practices, the goal and purpose of it was to be able to turn any metal to gold; in its more philosophical practices and understandings, this concept was essentially the same except with humans. To become the perfect being through transmutation. But not physical transmutation, instead transmutation of the soul, in a sense.
In the anime, the idea/act of human transmutation was brought up A LOT, i mean it was one of the driving plot forces i guess. But even though they (Father mainly) were trying to become the perfect being aka god, they were going about in a much too physical, scientific way, ultimately failing. However by the end of the anime, you could possibly say there was a human transmutation, or maybe one in progress; Edward and all those around him. Through their experiences, learning, and growth, they’re working to be better - though maybe not perfect - human beings. This is essentially one way of defining the philosophical idea of human transmutation; that it is nothing more than the concept of the journey of learning, experiencing, and growing from mistakes and experiences. This is also why Father failed, because he didn’t/couldn’t learn anything from the whole ordeal. He was still asking why, not attempting to learn and figure it out for himself from what happened. This all just my take however
Hiromu Arakawa is the name you're looking for.
You should have a channel of your own
well said!
Thats very well put !! losing something to learn something . evolving, like when u cut ur arm it grows stronger/thicker.
I am not gonna read that 😑
Personally I had a idea about Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood that I thought made a lot of sense you see Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood almost exactly follows the philosophy of Plato and his idea on gods. In Fullmetal Alchemist after the brothers try to bring back their mother they are greeted by the being known as truth which is essentially God. after meeting this being he punishes the boys by taking away Edwards leg and alphonse's body which there is symbolism there but I won't go into it. now this brings me to the philosophy of Plato, you see Plato believed that the only reason Gods existed was to give humans a goal to eventually surpass them or not need them. I'm paraphrasing but basically it follows as such anytime humans try to borrow the power of God or even try to become gods they were fiercely punished, because Gods wanted humans to not need them and use their own power. in the case of Fullmetal Alchemist Alchemists are essentially using God's power, truth in this case, so whenever they try to use alchemy to bring back the dead or do something that is in God's domain God punishes them to show them not to use his power instead do something greater. at the end of the series (Spoilers ahead obviously) when Edward decides to give up his Alchemy this is incredibly important because this is Edward rejecting the power of God and deciding to use his own power from now on which is the philosophy of Plato come true, and in the end Trurh congratulates Edward for finally realizing it.
Edward doesn't need alchemy he doesn't need the power of Truth/God he will use his own power, his own two hands ,and his mind. Actually I really appreciate it how well done it is but this is just my idea and I probably didn't explain it very well but I love it. Also as a side note I do agree with your philosophy as well I was just trying to make the point that are also closely follows Plato's idea or at least Brotherhood does
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Father explains the symbolism of God taking Ed's Arm and Leg, and Al's body. Hold on.
"Their sin cost Ed the only leg he had to stand on, as well as the only family he had left. Al yearned for the warmth of his mother's touch, only to have his body replaced with a cold shell that couldn't feel anything. The Truth can be cruel indeed." ~Father, when explaining the sacrifices' follies. Obviously paraphrased but you get the idea. Also when you're going to write a big paragraph like that, pleeeeeeeease break up the lines. It's a pain to read a large, unbroken wall of text. And for me, at least, it's hard to not get lost trying to follow the lines.
I like what you're saying, and I think it has merit. Just the formatting could be better, that's all. :D
I would never call something I could surpass a "god".
@@luxj.9451 You missed one of the key points of the series: those who desire power are the most likely to be corrupted by it.
Abit late, but also adding this: Not only that, the principle of equivalent exchange still hold true within the entire series, even at the very end: Only priceless thing can be exchange with priceless thing, possibility with possibility, and truth with truth. That's why they never get their mother back, as they never exchange the priceless thing that is their's soul, that's why Edward gained Alphonto back, as he trade the possibility of being an alchemist for the possibility of gaining a family back again, and in that, he trade his truth of an alchemist, of his old self, in exchange with his truth as a human being, as his new self. Equivalent exchange is never proven false, what's at fault is how we weight it value.
Basically brotherhood is a masterpiece of an anime
tru
I just finished it now yes very late I know but wow it’s absolutely beautiful. Dunno what’s better this or AOT both are my favourites
@@mohammednabil5254 They both are masterpieces that’s all that really matters
@@mohammednabil5254 Both true greats for different reasons. Love both shows, I like the more philosophical and thought provoking nature of FMAB
Here’s your Tucker skip button: 2:50 - 4:00
Legend
Thank you so much bro
Didn’t find this comment early enough, had to endure the pain.
@@halihuang495 me too
Legendary
Me: (watches a video about FMAB's greatness)
Also Me: (Loads 1st episode of FMAB) ah shit, here we go again
Just why tho? I mean do you rewatch it for the emotional stuff or something? The show almost ended on the same note it started
Alex Rowe you rewatch because it was good nothing more nothing less
@@roz067 It was my most recently watched series, Hell no
@@alexrowe7063 awn
DUDE. I'm trying very hard not to get sucked down that rabbit hole again
I'm surprised that the mangka of FMA was only 28 years old when she started writing the story. She wrote one of the best stories ever told, IMHHO!
TIL! That's crazy. I thought she'd be in her 40s with how well-written it was
You know, it never occurred to me that the "clapping" Ed does to perform his alchemy mimics praying.
I think, it was mentioned in one episode.
@@tornad8063 Yup it was
@@tornad8063 lol, i'm pretty sure that is almost word for word what ling even says
it was mentioned by ling in an episode :>
symbolizes how alchemy/science is god to him
I'll never forget how soul crushing the reveal was that Tucker turned his own family into chimeras
that slow yet sudden realization, that this unholy beast is his daughter was terrifying
and her pleas for Ed to play with her made it so much worse T-T
And the fact that they one-upped the original anime by having Scar put her out of her misery (like in the manga) just made it more crushing.
You need need to watch the original. In that version he turns himself into a chimera and tries to make more Ninas, that shit is x100 more disturbing than Brotherhood. #TuckerIsAMotherFucker
Alex Player it's not the original, it's the first rendition of the anime
I've watched (and read) everything with the FMA brand on it. Yes, the evolution of Tucker was more disturbing in the first Anime, but Nina's death was more tragic in the manga and Brotherhood, imho.
Anyways, one thing is certain: FMA (all 115 episodes) are the best anime ever. Now let's hope that the live action movie will be at least decent.
I definitely liked Greed the most, which can be odd to a bunch of people. I always thought that he had all his emotion and understanding compared to the others because the Father didn’t really completely cut him out- Father was still greedy enough to want god within himself. Thus Greed was the least Homonculi of them all. And Greed’s want for friends throughout his existence and eventually getting so many to remember and support him, it makes his death much more powerful. Sin is part of man, you cannot cut it out wholly.
Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood is one of the greatest stories ever told
No it isn't! It's the same Cliché shounen that we've been getting since Dragon Ball.
Musab The Loser no it's not bitch
Alright, so what's Father's driving motivation? Why does he do what he does? What's the reasoning? Nothing. So Here's our Cliché Villain. Do the Homunculus have any motivation? The only one who does have any motivation is Greed, but that's about it! Scar. Why did he make it his mission to kill all State Alchemists if he himself shed innocent blood in the same era. Answer "Hypocrisy". It's a completely Black and White series I don't consider it to be bad it's although pretty good. But it doesn't qualify as the greatest story ever told. I think the Original 2003 Adaptation had more meaning and weight to it.
^^^ lol get a load of this guy,folks. this what happens when people who don't know jackshit about critiquing story try to look smart and sophisticated.
father's driving motivation is achieving perfection, he wanted to obtain infinite knowledge so he could understand what he truly wanted/ become perfect. He denied his human parts thinking that is what made him weak but just like his off springs he wanted to have a family. That is why he named them made them call him father and even made pride look like his original form.
You must understand that while Father is from the other side of the gate, his motivation is still deeply human. He was born within the flask and was trapped in it up until he freed himself.
But that is not enough, once he escapes the physical flask the world becomes his new flask. Even though he is no longer bound physically, he is still bound by the law of equivalent exchange.
Father believes, by swallowing God, he can escape the flask which cages him psychologically. After all, if you can do it once then it is possible to replicate the same process infinite amount of times
Father's journey from his birth to demise is less about pursuing something, and more about running away from something. He fears the void of freedom, and as long as he can run away from it he does not care where it takes him.
>Do the Homunculus have any motivation?
dude were you paying any attention when you watched the show? seriously do you want me to explain the nature of the homunculus too? honestly you should rewatch the series or read some articles about it because you clearly don't understand it.
>Why did he make it his mission to kill all State Alchemists if he himself shed innocent blood
scar's motivations were fully explained in the series and in this video too. seriously it is not too hard to understand. scar got a lot of development in the series, if you don't understand his character then you clearly were not paying any attention.
>It's a completely Black and White series
DUDE did you watch the freaking video?
Cyborg Icarus29 You're right! Cell from DBZ was also inside glass tube and he also wanted perfection. The thing is when Father and Cell swallowed their victims it made them tremendously strong but not perfect as they claimed that they were. Wait so doesn't DBZ already have this storyline. Being Power Hungry is not relatable, being free is. So the minute he becomes free, he no longer has any motivation. I get what you're saying though but his reasoning is not relatable enough in Brotherhood. It might be in the Manga but I haven't read it.
And about Scar, he is a total hypocrite up until he admits that he was wrong so what was the purpose of his earlier character arc where he was being build up as this anti-hero that soon turned out to be Winry's Parents' killer. The whole storyline was so dumb. Why would an injured guy kill someone who saved his life for no reason and then blame all the State Alchemists for the tragedy, then suddenly become an ally. You know how stupid that sounds.
Homunculus are brain-washed monsters created by the 7 seven deadly sins of Father. Having a dominant personality trait like Wrath or Pride doesn't count as being a motivation. Wrath is technically a human so he should have some reason to why he obeys Father. Sloth and Gluttony are too weird. Lust is too Bland and Generic, Envy is to pathetic and Pride is basically Wen from Cowboy Bebop's episode 6: Sympathy for the Devil.
By Black and White I mean, there is a definite Good side "Hohenhiem, Edward and Mustang's side" and a defined Evil "Father's and Bradley's soldiers". In the Original Series series you had People manipulating people and a degree selfishness and selflessness. A clash of Ideology's and Beliefs and reality being unsatisfying and disturbing.
Also Ed's Atheism makes no sense in Brotherhood since he met God.
FMA's version of Nina becoming the chimera is so much more heart wrenching than the Brotherhoods version. They really took you into depth on Nina and how important her relationship was with the brothers.
They took more time to care about the character and make us emotionally attached to them but other than that the writing of their characters is the same.
It sounds trival, but Nina was absolutely adoreable in the original anime. But it doesn't matter-my heart broke when I saw what happened to her in both the original and Brotherhood.
Her death in FMA was gruesome.
In FMAB they rushed through a lot of the initial story, I think exactly because it had already been told in the first anime. They wanted to get to the parts of the manga that the first series hadn't told.
@xInfoRaderx Actually, I believe the slow release times of the manga at the time of FMA forced production to lengthen the story greatly in hopes they wouldn't outpace the manga. In a positive manner this allowed us to connect more with certain characters (especially Nina and Hughes) which made their endings so much more impactful. But the negative point was that we often got a bit more filler content.
In the end though the manga releases were simply too slow (thank goodness, the author took the time to create a masterpiece rather than just release weekly for the check) so FMA did its own ending.
TBH I'm thankful for it. I got such a satisfying beginning to the series in the FMA anime, but later got to rejoice when Brotherhood released and witness the full story in all its glory. I still watch Brotherhood in full once a year.
The most saddest scene was when Edward closes the door and the lietenant daughter tells her mom not to cry it hit my heart
"It's a terrible day for rain"
I cried when the doctor who treated lan fan got visited by his family. Idk man, the way the guy just wanted to enjoy coffee with his family made me break
BRIGADIER GENERAL'S DAUGHTER 😤
Hughes' death is one of the saddest in all the series. It hits you hard because he's an awesome guy and has a great family. When his daughter is crying at the funeral asking why they're putting dirt on him that he wont be able to finish work, killed me. especially since I lost my dad at young age .
Dear Wisecrack, this episode was terribly important to me, and you have teased for a while now. I watched FMA and FMA BH in school alone on my computer, and though I had no one to talk to or discuss the show with in my small Indian town, the show had it's effect. Now I am post graduate Sociologist who works on medical Anthropology and teaches science fiction on the side. So ya, FMA REALLY got things started for me. me. Now having finally watched the fabled episode, and all I can say is thank you! Thank you so very much for the care, the dedication, the rigor and most of all the joy that resonates through all your videos, and especially through this one. It's an indulgence, a pleasure and most of all an honor watching your channel. 🙏
What are you talking about? this video may be the worst in Wisecrack's history. They made mistakes, appealed to logical fallacies and based many premises on false statements.
I agree with Larry. This episode made the biggest mistake of reducing science as a mere belief. But I am sure as a sociologist you already know that. Either way, awesome that you got to follow your dreams and become who you are today. I am a journalism graduate and have been considering to go for Sociology myself. It's nice to see a fellow Indian doing great. Kudos to you bro.
abhijeet bharguv Theories ._.
Larry Lewinsohn care to elaborate?
abhijeet bharguv care to elaborate your point of view?
Father's souls did not rebel to get out, it was Hohenhiem that reversed Father's circle, releasing their souls back to their owners. Father no longer had the souls to maintain the form of God. Father succeeded for a mere few seconds, in becoming god.
David Evans that's right bro! Hohenheim just used the souls inside him to draw the points of the reverse transmutation circle all around Amestris, which would activate just in time because of the artificial solar eclipse.
Giving credit where it is due. I think the video author implied his own beliefs to the anime, which is fine and all. But not for what the intended message or plot is....
well don't forget that hohenheim did state that he did talk to every soul that was trapped inside of him and him and those work together to stop father. If i am remebering correctly
David Evans I don't think the one point being wrong means he just put his own beliefs on the show. We don't even know if these are his beliefs he just makes the videos
He succeeded in becoming A god, (as in a being greater than humanity) but he didn't magically take the place of the truth or a creator... he was his own entity.
After my 4th rewatch, I now just picked up that Hohenheim brought alchemy to Xing which turned into Alkahestry and become a key counter to Father’s Alchemy...
This show just keeps getting better the more you rewatch it 👌🏼
You should have got that the first time...
@@kaloca Hahaha okay then Mr. Smartass 😂😂
@@kaloca but on a serious note, I never sat down and digested the finer points of the story until the 4th rewatch.
I come back to the story once a year to purely enjoy the show, not to necessarily hone in on the finer details and nuances. It’s just that I decided to turn on my brain on the 4th rewatch 🤷🏽♂️
@@frank1892 I understand that, and I wasn't trying to be a smartass. It's just that there was a scene explicitly showing this happening
@@kaloca fair play, my bad for being pretty combative earlier.
I think the reason why I personally didn’t get it (although I do agree that it was somewhat clear from the scene) the first time is that I never binged watched the series until the 4th watch. I’d always watch it spontaneously so a lot of finer details didn’t really sink in during those rewatches 🤷🏽♂️
Maes Hughes would be proud of you Wisecrack
UselessInTheRain Why do you make me cry!?!
Ah god, that hit me right in the feels.
*SALUTES*
YES I SAW YOUR CUTE DAUGHTER AND SHE IS ADORABLE GOD DAMN IT ='(
My feels already got beat up, now this damn man, right in the feels.
Defenitely
P. S. I miss him a lot
“Biggest gut punch in anime history.” Mild understatement.
So now I want to watch Fullmetal Alchemist
You should, subbed and dubbed on netflix
Not brotherhood though, check out the original all from about 2003
Ignore Melonmazing and watch which ever you want. Brotherhood is closer to the source material and has higher quality animation. Both are great though. They do have WILDLY different second halves so I suggest both.
Super Secret DO IT. FCKNG WATCH IT.
Melonmazing why tho,brotherhood is amazing
I’m a strict Christian and I love fmab because it acknowledges the idea that humans are more than the sum of our parts and the soul is an infinitely valuable thing
If there is a soul to begin with really
@@miguelatkinson science prooved it There is a Soul
As a Christian I love how this show demonstrates there needs to be a balance between science and God. Science helps us to understand His creation and even admire it, while God gives everything purpose and life. That is truth
@@AndreNitroX Read Aristotle, FMAB is mostly inspired by his thoughts not the bible. Or rather, the bible is surely also inspired by Aristotle
@@ganondorf457source?
Wisecrack keep up with these anime philsophy videos!
Artydomi agreed
I want WiseCrack to explain Evangelion ending yo
Philsophy of Gurren Lagan!
Artydomi FUCKING WEEBS GTFO DansGame
human being I think you should learn the definition of a word before using it, pal
Brotherhood
1. Cause it follows the manga
2. No Filler
3. Animation is crisp and very well done
4. The action scenes are brilliant
5. Brotherhood also explores other characters to great detail at the same time
6. The characters developed much better over the course of the anime, gaining much more depth and realism. They felt more alive to me.
7. Amazing Ending
Brotherhood ❤️❤️❤️
didnt this video just explain why adhering to 1 idea is a bad thing? how about find the positive ideas of fma2003?
And the ending
@@user-dk6cj6qs7x already added it
@@Amber_xo_133 🍪here's a cookie
Brotherhood > FMA
That girl and her dog are so adorable, they're inseparable!
Crimson Rule you know how cruel of a joke that is to fans of fullmetal alchemist
Crimson Rule hahahahahaha that is so funny and sad in the same time
too soon dude
Hahahaha...Fuck You
They truly are ONE of a kind :)
I watched chimera scene when i was 10, i actually felt so sad i was baffled for weeks, never watched FMA after that and I've watched around 200 anime.
THANK YOU for literally explaining exactly WHY FMA:B is the BEST SHOUNEN ANIME EVER MADE. It's not just the characters, the music, the animation that's top-notch, it's the AMAZING PLOT that speaks volumes about the human condition and important moral lessons that apply even today from a completely unbiased point of view of NEITHER science NOR religion. THANK YOU!
kaizersabre it really should be categorized as something beyond shounen trash
Bobby Nanashi Hunter x Hunter is an amazing shonen
"My favorite makes the rest bad" Gtfo and go enjoy life scrub.
i really liked the original too especially the two movies
aaron he never said that the rest were bad hes basically just saying what he personally thinks about fma. dont take it personally dude
FMAB is one of the best shows I've ever watched.
Yeahhhh
Edward, the most radical Athiest of all time: *meets God, saves brother from after life* still Athiest.
@Alone lover Truth is god, in fact its Everything. In the show Truth calls itself, “The world”, “The Universe”, “God.” Truth is all things in the universe and, therefore, the closest thing to the concept of "God" to appear in the series.
I think specifically ed is atheist towards the multiple religions in the anime, since none of them follow the truth, which ed knows is real
theism is belief without evidence. If a god is proven to exist, you can believe in its existence while being an atheist because you have evidence.
@@ditditlord5153
FAITH is belief in things you don't have good evidence for, things you can't prove. Theism is a belief in gods or some similar ultimate controlling/creating power. Atheism is lacking any positive beliefs in the existence of gods. If one comes to believe in the existence of gods, they would no longer be an atheist regardless of how they came to that belief.
@@mikean7074 ok you are right
I've been through watching this series 3 times in my life. Watching the original animation back when I was a budding teenager, around 12 - 13, and I had then thought it was one of the deepest, darkest and most compelling (in all ways) series that I've ever seen. Then I watched Brotherhood a few years after, actually having no idea what it is - just the excitement alone that there was something new FMA related. This then topped the original completely, and there has been little else that I've watched afterwards that have even come close to it afterwards. It was complete in a way that the first wasn't. It hit all the marks, and then those that I didn't even know could be hit for me. Then, just near the end of last year, I rewatched FMAB. And again, it reaffirmed for me how this is probably the best series I've ever watched, period.
This series is a fucking trip, and if you let it, it will broaden your mind and expose you to things that will change life for you (as any good series / form of entertainment should). I've no doubt that I'll probably be watching this series again before I pass from this world.
In addition, I also think that it's one of the few anime series in which the dub is actually better than the sub - it is by far one of the best dubs.
The difference between ideology and philosophy is that the former is not self-critical and hence cannot enter into sympathetic relation with what seems to oppose its ideological fixation. The problem is acute in religion and politics, where people tend, by the very nature of their commitments, to become locked into their dogmatic certitudes, unable to appreciate other positions from within.
The problem is ideology. One can make an ideology of science as well.
Omar kyon
That's not necessarily true, Anarchism criticizes itself and so do a few variants of Communism and Socialism
Dominique Martinez
How so? Literally the methods of the destruction of society in order to reform a new Communist order has been implemented dozens of times according to Marx's teachings via the policy introduced in the Weimar Republik's Frankfurt School. The problem with "criticism" between the sects of Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Pol Pot...ism, Marxism and more are due to each form of the former and the to-be failing. It's the ultimate "No True Scotsman" fallacy that is employed by Marxists such as Castro and Maduro when they understand that their people are too stupid to understand that the failure of Marxism is not that people suck but rather that people want to accumulate wealth to protect their children.
Marxism never cared about the person or proletariat. Marx never gave a shit about the little guy. Neo-Marxists and socialists and anarchists today don't give a shit about them either. Read Marx's Theses of Fuerbach. They all want to use you, dump you off into a ditch with a bullet in your skull and then NTS fallacy their way across the country.
Omar kyon Great comment, thank you.
Does this mean that all of religion deals with the problem of ideology, while science does not have this problem unless it becomes an ideology? I might agree with this, but is there a way for religious belief to be approached philosophically rather than ideologically? Or would that end in never ending questions similar to science? Which might defeat the purpose of religion. Though I suppose one could make a religion out of never ending questions.
But can society function without ideology? Even the pursuit of science is a result of ideology. Why should we as a society value science? The valuing aspect itself is part of ideology.
This is by far my favourite anime(obviously) and I was initially sceptical that this would be a accurate video but thanks Wisecrack for making such a insightful and accurate video on FMA. I Appreciate this a lot and it goes to show that Anime and Manga have truly flourished here in the West.
People also tend to forget that almost all examples of Bad Science, like Mengele experiments, come from places and times, that had very strong and morally questionable... ideology. Science is a tool. You of course can believe in it religiously, but that just means there's something wrong with _you,_ not the tool.
Hence the differentiation between "science" and "scientism". Science is a tool, scientism is an ideology . And it's often inmixed with other ideologies, such as social darwinism, fascism, utilitarianism and others. An interesting aspect of this is that you can often see the scientific worldview of a given time in the ideologies that spawned in that time.
The problem is that people don't understand the limits of science, unless perhaps if they are scientists themselves.
Nowhere in education (short of college-grade philosophy classes) are people taught that science is just a tool, and there are places where you'd better not use it.
I've watched the dub so often that hearing FMAB in Japanese seems odd.
The sub is so much better tho
No. Maybe you can say you prefer it, or even that it is better, but FMAB boasts one of the best, most beloved English dubs of all time. This is one time you can't just claim subs are better because subs.
Personally I prefer dub because it the European-esque setting makes it feel more natural to hear it in English, but sometimes I read the subs because there is subtlety to the language sometimes missed by the dubs
Aldurnamiyanrandvora I prefer the sub because they’re voice actors put so much passion into them. They’re voices are perfect when comic relief scenes come on. When Ed first finds Alphonse’s body and the iconic scene is perfect. Compare them.
I would return that despite the generally higher calibre of Japanese seiyuu, I vastly prefer Travis Willingham's performance of Roy burning envy over Shinichiro Miki. I would argue the very fact we can compare them shows the superiority of dub and sub subjective.
Aldurnamiyanrandvora Ye you right either way fmab is a top tier anime
I am a Christian and avid believer in scientific discovery as well and I have to say that this video is perfect. Those who believe in their science as perfect will fall just as hard as those who believe their ideals are perfect. As a certain woman from Star Wars KOTOR II would say "If you are not willing to betray your ideals, then you are only a blind fool who follows dogmatism." It is the understanding that no one path is perfect that allows us to change our ideas and grow in the process.
To be clear, the problem here isn't science, it is people taking science to an extreme without concern of the cost. The largest difference between science and religion (in terms of explaining the world) is science actually updates its explanations to better fit new findings and is testable and repeatable. Religion is faith based... and usually takes some major disaster to cause a change in their explanations.
Alphonse and Edward are actually best described as true scientists instead of dogmatic followers. That they don't blindly accept alchemy as the only answer is akin to copernicus saying the sun is the center as opposed to the earth.
No body said that it was science.
The problem is our human nature to stumble upon an idea that we like or associate with and take it to an extreme.
Science doesn't exists in a vacuum. No humans (intelligent life), no science.
"true scientists" please do not use no-true scotsman, besides they are akin to philosophers that happen to adopt science as their preferred means of information gathering than just scientists.
Humans are always the problem, be it in science or religion.
Humans interpret. If done poorly, results will be poor aswell. Religious scriptures can be confusing to navigate for instance with many seemingly contrary information. If you take from it that striving towards altruism is the purpose of life. Then most would probably agree a such viewpoint would be preferable. If you take from it that people must follow your religion and that this must be achieved in any way possible. You get holy wars and most people probably dont like wars.
Likewise practioners of science often do so with a purpose. If you see science as an ultimate tool towards knowledge and that knowledge should be achieved through any price. You are... Mengele(not neccesarily, but still on a dangerous path). If you see science as a means to progress the wellbeing of humans, you might be more inclined towards having boundaries and realize not all prices are prices to be paid.
Hence philosophy and wisdom. Science and religion in itself is a form of philosophy though, or atleast born through philosophy. Which is basically thought and reason. People trying to find answers to various questions, coming up with methods to do so, such as science. Or teachings about purpose and moralism. Which is more akin to religion, but there also exists philosophies which does not fall under religion.
I am a nuanced person; I see FMA: Brotherhood, I like.
the humankind is incredibly complicated and simple at once and this anime just showcased that perfectly, great video!
Balance, in all things.
Unfortunately peace and love must be balanced with war and hate. :(
Michael Linville trigun right there
FOX HOUND :) The Vash and Knives duality is fantastic
Michael Linville For some reason. I think that would be a good quote.
Imba Spirit
2:58 Ed...ward. Ed...ward. Ed...ward :((((( I never fully recovered from that revelation. So creepy and disheartening D:
To this day, it's one of the few things I've seen that every time I think about it's genuinely unnerving and down right heartbreaking
I love the philosophy of FMAB & agree that we shouldn't blindly follow any methodology. Science has proven itself perhaps the most useful method of understanding reality, but that doesn't mean other methods should be rejected. If we as a species were more open minded, accepted the fact that we know barely enough about our own existence & reality itself to be so confident in our understanding of things, & were more willing to adapt our beliefs, we as a species would be so much more superior than what we are now.
Is cybernetic augmentation the next step to advancing the superiority of the human race Mr. Jeremiah Gottwald, and should I call you "Orange"?
scientist already acknowledge that the don't know everything. what methods are you talking about? what beliefs? Are you saying we should fill the gaps in our knowledge with 'beliefs'? can you elaborate?
And that's pretty much how scientists already think. They know they don't know everything and that's why they're always working to learn and discover new things. So it really sounds like you agree with the scientific method and want it to continue?
I don't think anyone in this comment section actually understands what they are saying. The concept of "Science can be applied to research and create stuff that I find morally wrong, so we shouldn't follow strictly science" is just laughably ignorant.
Science is not a fucking religion, or philosophy, or mythology, or any of the shit people seem to be comparing it to in this comment section.
Science by definition is the breaking down and understanding of the universes fundamentals. A 'science', when speaking of a perfect science, is a complete understanding of how a system works.
For example, you could consider the following a science.
If you cause the growth of movement of a particle, you are increasing what is deemed as 'heat' in that particle.
That is something that simply works. We as a species have done it, and can measure and see it happen.
I simply do not see why people in this comment section equate an understanding of that caliber to the laughable concept of a religion. A religion is blind no matter what you are told or taught.
Believing in something you cannot know to be true is like flipping a coin, not looking at it, and being positive that it landed on heads. For no logical reason.
If you were to instead actually look at that coin and know it landed on tails, that would be the equivalent of science in that metaphor.
Golden Pants, I was just referencing Code Geass b/c Jeremiah's thumbnail is of a character from the show lol
What is God? A divine being. Always been there and will always be there. The creator of all and the destroyer of all. Can not be created or destroyed. The source of all life and existence.
What is Energy? An endless power. Always been there and will always be there. The creator of all and the destroyer of all. Can not be created or destroyed. The source of all life and existence.
What is science with out doubt and what is religion with out faith? In my opinion, you can not have one with out the other.
Religion can create radicals that kill their fellow man. It can also bring us together in peace.
Science can create weapons to destroy ourselves. It can also find cures for diseases.
I love both religion and science!
Equivalent exchange
"A human should never aspire to be God, but to aspire to be himself."
“Strong philosophical themes?
*violently screams while descending into a black void*
Well, that’s why we’re here!”
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@@erickamakeeaina1649 GOAT
The way I see things is like this:
- philosophy is what sparks my curiosity to question.
- Science is what allows me to find the knowledge I seek.
- Faith is what drives me through it all, let's me know every thing will be alright.
Because I belive everything in this universe is possible, because I belive I haven't seen it all I keep an open mind.
When you mention faith, do you mean in a creator, or an afterlife? Or do you mean faith in something else that I'm not thinking of.
I certainly hope you don't mean in a higher power of some form, because at that point you've lost me.
Logically there is no reason to believe in a higher power. The possibility of one existing is exactly equivalent to that of one not existing, and thus is pointless to consider anything more than an interesting possibility.
Going so far as to put your faith in it being the truth is about as illogical as you can be.
Golden Pants believing in a higher being and believing in a Big Bang are both questionable. Nobody has confirmed either, and probably never will, so stop saying it is illogical and let people believe what they want to believe. If faith helps them get through things you should not bash it(you didn't really "bash" it but you get the idea)
No I don't believe in a higher power. Faith is to belive, not necessarily in a higher power but you could have faith in some one. My parents have told me before " I have faith in you" meaning they belive in me, even though the future is uncertain. Even with all the scientific back up, there is no telling what radically freaky result might occur, so deep down we all hope everything will be alright. This is what I mean, might not make sense to some but that's because that's just my point of view.
Heh, well said.
But if you keep an open mind, won't your brain fall out?
Science is a tool. Like all tools, it can create wonders or incur horrors depending on who the wielder is and what his/her morals (i.e. ideological/existential/philosophical approach) are. We definitely need all approaches to the cosmos, just like we need our 5 physical senses and don't try to decide whether one is superior to the other.
Tantz Aerine There are a lot more than 5 senses
Science provides knowledge. The wonders and horrors come from those who apply it, which usually isn't scientists. We need all sensory data and reason to make sense of them = science. (BTW for nitpickers, counting and classifying senses is a bit arbitrary and of course, vision is certainly the superior "sense";-))
Yes We have other approaches(tool you say) but apparently science is the one that works
Jeongheon Lee Lol, you actually first make a metaphysical claims or certain observation, and those that hold upto scrutiny and reality is then codified as scientific fact. If it aint true, then its not a scientific fact.
Yes science is indeed a tool not an ideology as the video tries to portray, and we should dismiss other ways to explain the natural world if they dont have prediction capabilites and dont align with reality because if thats the case they are useless in a pratical sense.I think the video makes very weak points and talk about full metal in a very biased way to try to force a false correlation "some fucked up people use science to do some fucked up shit and because of this the other perspectives of how the world works are automaticaly right"
I just finished watching this an hour ago......I’m lost for words and so glad I finally got around to watching it. That’s how you make a complete anime and work of art ~cough~ Promised Neverland ~cough~.
If you’re on the fence, just watch it! You won’t regret it.
Fullmetal Alchemst: Brotherhood = Best Anime series ever! Fact!
hunter x hunter exists
When are they gonna do an analysis of Code Geass? 🤔
Only one I watched so far, and im gonna have to agree
Golden Boy
Broken Tooth
😳
I love how this show ended. You had this all powerful being just getting punched out by the main character. Awesome.
He was all-powerful (not omnipotent, only Truth is omnipotent) for a very short while when he just summoned a sun in his hand. But then he got screwed by the souls of Xerxes.
he assumed he was an actual god, when his power was still limited by the souls in the stone, just because he was the strongest it didn't mean he could defeat everybody alone because everybody working together were still more powerful, like dictators that assume they have all the power until the population gets angry enough to fight and then they remember they are just an avatar of the power of the people
I just finished watching this, (I cried a bit) but I highly doubt I will ever find any anime or series/movie in general better than this one, this is by far the best thing I have ever watched. Also, I watched the English dubbed version, I think the voices make more sense in the english version, they fit the people better
Attack on Titan?
Avatar The Last Airbender is also considered an anime...
Ao Li no it is not
Ok, as usual, watching Nina´s scene is going to make me lose sleep. Yay me.
Not only an episode on FMAB but it's also 23 FUCKING MINUTES LONG HECK ME UP ❤️❤️
Ique yeah it's so good
HECK ME UP
*heck me up inside*
I CAN'T HECK UP
*heck me up inside*
David Cook 😂🤣
David Cook
HHHEEECCCKKK MMMEEE.
just as long as an anime episode
This analysis is so freaking good. Love u Wisecrack
-from Hong Kong
nah, its pretty bad
it fundamentally misundertands science, the way he puts it is like saying that the knife causes the stab and not the person that uses the tool, cause that's everything both of them are.
Philosophy of JoJo's Bizzare Adventure.
RickitySplit poses
Yeah, Aesthetics!
Philosophy of JoJo's Bizzare Adventure. : Don't sacrifice your humanity to the Stone Mask
earthling cinema episode would be even more hilarious
Wisecrack is only going to cover:
Phantom Blood
Battle Tendency
Stardust Crusaders
Diamond is Unbreakable
and not:
Vento Aureo
Stone Ocean
Steel Ball Run
Jojolion
First off, this video was beautiful. FMAB has always been my favorite anime (and arguably my favorite show) and this video really hit the nail on many of the reasons why (and brought up some I hadn't thought of before either). Also, it reminded me of a couple quotes; the first is from Haim Ginott in a letter to a teacher:
"Dear Teacher,
I am a survivor of a concentration camp. My eyes saw what no man should witness:
Gas chambers built by learned engineers.
Children poisoned by educated physicians.
Infants killed by trained nurses.
Women and babies shot and burned by high school and college graduates.
So I am suspicious of education. My request is: Help your students become human. Your efforts must never produce learned monsters, skilled psychopaths, educated Eichmanns.
Reading, writing, arithmetic are important only if they serve to make our children more human."
And, on on a similar note from C.S. Lewis,: "Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil."
Knowledge and science are great, but unless you have some higher moral standard to appeal to, then sheer materialism can do little to preserve any sort of virtue.
never clicked a link so fast
Bro, this was like the one anime that no one would have lynched you for using the dub, it's not that bad
ebimo indiamaowei Envy's Japanese voice is pretty sick though
meh. the voice acting isn't bad but they use a different script. sometimes its kind of dumbed down (imo dkm)
hetalia, ghost stories, and cowboy bebop are also exceptions. Ghost stories only for the hilariousness of the dub
the dub is amazing
ebimo indiamaowei I like dub better for this one. All the characters have European names and appearances so the names and voices don't sound out of place, and the performances are some of the best I've heard in both Japanese and English voice acting.
edit: Most of the characters in Amestris, not all the characters
For me, FMAB was one of my favorite animes due to the relationship between Alfons and Edward, I always thought that was Edward did to retrieve his brother's body is the same of what I would do for my brother, I would give everything for him, that there are thing that can not be put in the balance of the science thought, that sometimes you do things that seems unreasonable for what your beliefs are.
Now with this video I only reassure my feelings for this anime, as I think that science is great, but I hate when people think less of someone who also believe in religion as if it was something wrong to believe in something else and that it is like if you do, you automatically do not believe in science.
Me too i love their relationship so much
I think science and religion are connected to earch other, i didnt understood why others tried to separate tgem
Respect for using the subs-even though this is one of the beat dub jobs ever.
Correct me if I am wrong but I think the point alot of people are missing is that blind faith in anything can be dangerous. Equivalent Exchange is, in FMA, is a scientific principal but there are some who worship this principal to justify genocide. I don't think this was supposed to be anti-science or anti-religion. I think it is to bring up the similarities between the two. Science is looked not a fact (at least I'm America) but as opinion. Similar we have Christian sciences being seen as fact and being taught in our schools. Should we have a separation of science and state similarly as we have church and state? Personally I don't think so at least not entirely. We base our laws on reason and being fair and just to all. I think we should continue that but allow science to grow and be protected the same way we do with religion.
I apologise if I ramble on a bit.
Theres no such thing as christian science. lol.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science
...no...
This isn't some justification for creationism to be taught alongside the theory of evolution in public schools. It is the exact opposite. The whole point is to implore every individual to think for themselves using logic and critical thought.
This is not some reductionist argument stating science as opinion. This is not an argument for moving the goalposts to justify another debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye, or a congressional ordered debate about the veracity of anthropogenic climate change. That's a logical fallacy.
This argument clearly states that while Science and Religion have their places in society and can both be sources of knowledge, they are both different sources of knowledge and serve different functions in society. They are not one in the same to be compared like apples and oranges.
Logic and critical thought are and always will be the baseline.
a lot of people cling onto something,and say "this is fact and there's no other way". the hypocritical part is both "parties" wear that hat,while claiming only the other does. meanwhile,things happen,and the people who do seek other perspective discover new things. so neither is better for the label they choose,as much as they like to think so, turns out the actual world doesn't care- there's so much to explore when people aren't bickering.(though that point inevitably brings up "but my foe started it! they won't just accept my point of view!" which is ironic)
Yea i think they missed the point on this one-to say that no mattee what, you need to hold on to a critical mind
I don't understand how Ed can be an atheist, he talked to God and God took his leg away.
If you don't want to believe something, even if you experienced it yourself, you'll usually find a way to explain it.
Say, a convinced atheist sees an angel one day. You might assume that would change his mind into being a theist, but he'll probably assume he was hallucinating.
The thing about science is that it doesn't make assumptions based on the unknown (see Occam's Razor), and hence has to exclude all unknowns from it's world view. And obviously, the existence of any supernatural entity is a giant unprovable and uncalcuatable assumption. Which is why science never makes that assumption. It wouldn't even do so in the face of a literal voice from heaven or anything of the sort.
So someone who adapts science as a world view can't accept the supernatural as a part of it, even if confronted with it. That's where the "magic is science we just haven't understood yet" - mindset comes from. The assumption that the laws of nature are absolute, and that there is nothing that is above them.
Now, science doesn't actually say that. Iit just doesn't ask that question, since it can only observe the natural world. But scientism does, assuming that anything science can't explain just can't be real.
Josh Trick the god in that universe is not a creator and not a wish-granter. He is just a perfect being; is it atheism to say that God is not all-powerful and has limitations? (in a sense the God is a manifestation of alchemy, right)
Daniel B
I'd say atheism is the denial of the idea of an intelligent supernatural being.
There are plenty of religions with gods that have limitations, but none that consider their gods to be without intelligence.
Rockyblack smith I meant within the given universe: Atheism is a weird term for FMA as there definitely exists some great being and calling ed atheist is even weirder.
"as there definitely exists some great being"
That doesn't mean that people have to recognise it's existence.
As soon as you recognise the existence of some higher being, even with limits to it's power, that has an effect on your view of the world and you have to factor it in to your decisions. If you don't do that, then your actions are the same as if you thought this god didn't exist, making you, in effect, an atheist.
And it is in this sense that you could describe Ed as an atheist at the beginning of the story.
And in a sense, Father (who doesn't want to see god as a superiour being, but wants to absorb him) is an atheist as well.
Do Philosophy of Shinsekai Yori (From the New World). Please
yonex310 yes yes yes, incoming 1 hour video, haha!
I never heard the ever-important sentence that is essential to explaining this series: "Science is an epistemic philosophy, not a moral one".
Science is the only current system that uses data to create predictive models of the universe, AKA it is empiricist pragmatism. This means that science is only concerned with things that have measurable effects and that can thus be tested repeatedly. Many would question why science would leave out all other forms of knowledge, but the problem with that approach is that if a thing literally has no repeatable, measurable impact, why would we bother with it? What is the difference between it being real or not being real? In this light, to critique science itself is to propose that things that have no measurable properties exist and are in any way important or real. Science is the only truly relevant way to look at reality, but you shouldn't base your morality on it, since science isn't prescriptive, it's descriptive. I think this is the core message of the series.
In this sense, the tree never made a sound if no one was there to hear it. We can cut down a million other trees to see if they make a sound and then make a model that suggests the tree made a sound... Or maybe our model says it didn't. Remains to be seen.
Speaking of empiricism: do movies like Matrix and Inception propose its opposite rationalism?
And is rationalism just as valid in exploring the scientific realm? Or should rationalism be left to morality?
@@jlupus8804 I've not thought too much about representations of empiricism's "competition" in popular media.
And I don't think rationalism should be left to morality, as it doesn't deal with moral questions. I think that if your system cannot be applied to getting over a road consistently without being hit by a truck, it is a worthless epistemic system, however.
Not a lot of people out there using rationalism instead of looking both ways, which is science and could be called "a verificationist experiment using sensory information". Rationalists don't live up to their own system.
@@joalampela8612 You mean they use their senses more often than their rational thought? I can see that.
I guess my question is, in a simulated world like the Matrix or Inception, can empiricism still be trusted?
@@jlupus8804 I fail to see the relevance in the whole "is this a simulation or reality" -debacle. If this is all that you will ever exist in, then what would make gathering information about any other potential reality useful at all? It's not like you can use that information for anything inside your own reality/simulation. In what sense is that data "true" if it doesn't correspond to anything and can't be used for anything?
Once you got out of the Matrix or woke up in Inception, you would still use empiricism to determine reality. It's just that you'd have new data to add to the simulation or dream.
@@joalampela8612 yep, even if we are in fact living inside a simulation, as long the the laws of physic are consistent, it doesn't matter whether or not they are arbitrary, i am agnostic because i don't have enough faith to be an atheist, so i believe that even if God exist, be it an alien or a computer program, science is still worth it whether the laws of universe were created by a sentient entity or not
What an interesting video! You've just made the only allegoric connection about FMA and Nazism that I can accept (and believe, me, that's a lot!) Very interesting points indeed. Gonna save it for future references.
The end of Full Metal Alchemist is amazing (his answer to God getting their body back. The best that I have seen in anime or manga!
Havent clicked so fast in my life
Same here! There wasn't a moment of delay lol
Awesome video with a lot of emotions attached to it. Memories from the series. Well done and well explained. This was the first time I enjoyed and was so thrilled to watch an entire RUclips video 22 minutes straight! I usually get bored at 5 or 7 minutes.
This is amazing!! Can we get CODE GEASS next??
Lelouch vi britannia commands you to make a video on code geass...................................Yes your highness!
YES, MY LORD!
The best approach to "science as a corporative interest" i've ever seren was in Harari's Sapiens
its simple, dont be a douche to everything and everyone, question and measure th results of your actions and beliefs and take responsability of them.
use whatever means to stand and move forward, be it science, religion or ideology but be truth to yourself always, know that just beacause you "believe" in something or "know" something you could be wrong.
learn to not be scared of being wrong and question the info you get.
again, be truth to yourself, if you believe in god because faith makes you feel better.
sometimes we tell bullshit to make us feel better, just dont forget is bullshit.
since i watched this anime and the previous one i was having a hard time with my beliefs and my knowledge and everything was crumbling in my mind.
so i decided i needed faith to make me feel my problems were small compared to what the idea of a god could solve.
so i have faith that this god is by my side because i chose to take a path this god presented to me and i decided to take it, this path is not distant from science, but there are things in my mind and in my soul that cant be filled with science
This...
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...is inspirational!
Like Jung stated:"Is no only the thirst and search of truth but make it part of yourself in narratively engaging way is what it makes your truth "
i really recommend watching this to anyone, even if you don't like anime.
I missed the anime, the scene where Edward et al in Briggs discovered the whole truth, so i rewached ep. 35. Then 36. Until the ending. Now I am at ep. 1. Reverse watching.
Original Anime:
FMA:B: Hippity Hoppity your fanbase is my property
sorry
The original FMA is widely considered the poorer adaptation of a manga that many people like more. FMA:B follows that manga much closer making many, including myself, see it as superior. It's hard to even call them the same series after a certain episode for this reason.
To be fair the original anime was made before the manga had reached its conclusion, though the direction it went was pretty poor.
@@samueltukua3061 yet some people argue it is better in some parts, specially early in the story, ignoring the fact that brotherhood glassed over the early parts specifically because they assumed the viewer would have seen the original, and the early parts where still close enough to the manga
At least the original anime did not have a “kill ‘em all” ending.
I watched this when I was 15, I have to rewatch it now that I'm actually having way more knowledge on philosophy (from personal reading and philosophy studies)
Don't mind but is that you in the profile pic? 😐
Just binged it, idk what to do with my life now that its over
Philosophy of Avatar, both The last airbender and the Legend of Korra. Would be good, especially with the antagonists in TLOK
AroyalMcWiener
Amon= Communism
Unalaq= theocracy
Zaheer= Arnarchy
Kuvira= Facism
Alessandro Gordillo Sounds about right, but can we go deeper?
+Alessandro Gordillo wow.great catch.
Alessandro Gordillo Pick up a history book and surf the web cause Amon sure as hell ain't communism.
Korra really sucked amd should be taken out of the canon
Thiest who see this video shouldn't use it to justify their beliefs. Science IS a more valid form of viewing the world, and I say that because of how many scientific theories have been proven true and have helped mankind go forward.
Although I'm not outright rejecting religion, as religions were crucial in forming a one minded society in ancient times, and was used to form morality and deter primitive behaviour. But in this modern world, we need to look at science more so than religion, which has since become twisted and less essential for most.
Perhaps make a distinction between religion and spirituality. Science is more valid in terms of discovering how and why the universe operates, its purpose is separate from what religions purpose is. While many would use their religion as a poor man's science, in an attempt to explain aspects of the world or confirm ill held ideologies, religions true purpose is in seeking personal happiness and contentment (and honestly it becomes more spirituality at this point). Because these two hold ultimately different purposes, neither science nor religion can be considered more valid than the other because they can coexist harmoniously. Its like saying Chemistry IS more valid than Art! They serve different, very important functions in a persons life.
I do love thst this video is about philosophy, and yet the conclusion was about the shipping of Ed and Winry
The Philosophy Of Code Geass?
Please make this happen.
ClipOnSunglasses that's a given
Soup.
DiZ WHY ARE YOU BUYING CLOTHES AT THE SOUP STORE????
Nice Guy F*CK YOU!!!
legit. I just took a philosophy of science course in my university and we studied Ian Hacking writings. You guys are on point!
This video made me realize that no matter how hard I try... I'll never create something as great as FMA.
Fma is so unique, will always remain top 10 of all time. Also love how it doesn’t have much fan service, basically only as jokes/serious.
Philosophy of NEON GENESIS EVANGELION!
Oh hi Mark That'll be a roller coaster
yea it would be at least a 30 min video haha
Kutlu Mızrak Nobody should have to endure that.
NGE doesn't *have* any "philosophy". The creators themselves admitted that. They just threw in a shit ton of christian symbolism because according to them it looked "cool".
Neon Genesis Evangelion doesn't have fundamental philosophy in the sense that FMAB does. It is more of an exploration of psychological consequences of running away from your problems and the inability to change oneself.
Let me explain.
In the anime, Shinji and Asuka are both very much rejected children from their individual families, both developing insecurities and coping differently. Whereas Shinji becomes introverted, detaching himself from social situations, Asuka lashes out. Asuka compensates for her insecurities by behaving narcissistically and relying on her piloting the eva skills as her importance and identity.
This is further exemplified during their awkward kiss. Asuka held that kiss very long, desiring Shinji to do something-anything. She wanted reassurance in herself and for someone to value her. Shinji was passive because he was afraid of rejection and getting hurt. When he doesn't do this, Asuka retreats back to her abusive personality (trying hard to not show any signs that she is emotionally hurt).
We see the tragedy of miscommunication. Both have similar problems yet neither are able to help eachother due to the fact that their unhealthy methods of coping ultimately stops them (Shinji detaching out of fear and Asuka creating an abusive facade).
Watch Asuka's mental breakdown clip on youtube and you will see her dwell on that kiss asking "Why are you hear god damn it. You won't love me. You won't hold me. You don't do anything." When someone watches the kiss clip for the first time they lack the proper context of what Asuka was thinking. It is only through this clip that her introspection becomes clear. She is clearly hurt (you see her in the bathroom about the cry but later makes believe that she just needs to brush her teeth to maintain false appearances).
Now it is intentional that the story becomes less about the Angels and more about the Instrumentality project. See, instrumentality would be a means to blur the lines of individuality, therefore removing all pain from oneself. Shinji's father makes the conclusion that pain is a consequence of autonomy. However this is simply running away from your problems.
Shinji rejects instrumentality in end of evangelion (his thought process being shown in the anime ending ep 24 and 25 as him discovering value in his identity). The movie ends in a bitter way with Asuka saying "How disgusting." But what is more important is the damn cover of the movie. The cover of end of evangelion is a scene directly after the movie ends. You see Asuka and Shinji both looking, rather peacefully, in the distance. The quote is present "The fate of destruction is the joy of rebirth." This is important because it describes a kind of hope in that these two characters were finally able to come to terms with themselves and no longer run from their anxiety and problems.
So I don't Evangelion is without philosophy. Quite the contrary. Yes it is infamous in its attempt to mindfuck and just blurt out symbolism for the sake of symbolism because the director thought it was cool. This is true.
But observing that fact does not remove the perfectly well thought out ideas in the series. Hideaki Anno came up with this during a darker part of his life, to add some context. A lot of his feelings and emotions were projected onto the characters. And honestly a lot of people can and have related to the fears and weaknesses of these flawed characters.
Whether its Misato's attempt to balance her emotional side and logical side. Shinji trying to develop interpersonal relations but stops out of fear of rejection. Asuka trying to affirm her self worth desperately but doesn't want to seem weak so she maintains an abusive and selfish personality. Etc Etc.
You see a common psychological theme here. I could go on. There is so much more to talk about regarding Akagi, the duality of science and spirituality, the nature of escapism as a prevailing theme, etc.
But I just want to offer this modest example of the complexity of this series. So please don't dismiss it due to its infamous appeal for mindfuck and intentional habit of obscuring the truth in its narrative.
That Japanese voice acting is the most beautiful thing....
Also, I still have a crush on Edward Elric
Tucker wasn't seeking scientific progress, he wanted the financial security that comes with being a state alchemist. That's a pretty huge distinction to make here.
I have been searching for a video like this for so long because the philosophy and meaning of this anime has always been so important and interesting to me and this was here the whole time
I'm happy that you found this video. ^_^ ♡
I am a bit annoyed that you start out describing the difference between the process of science and the ideology of scientism and then just spend the rest of the episode using the terms as though they where interchangeable. Kinda goes against the point you seem to be trying to make.
You know, this is the case where they are allowed to have dub clips, this happens to be one of the classic ones.
Copernicus is a bad example beacuse his model of the solar system produced worse results than the model already existed (caused by the model being of circular motion and eliptical), and the model was excepted before Newton after the works of Kepler
Humanity will use any justification for whatever it wants to do. Faith and science in equal measure for war and racism, as well as charity and humanitarian actions