Shadow Akihiko says “your destined to lose what you love yet again.” Thank u ac Mikey. Anyways, I rarely see anyone made a video about this. Sooooo I decided to make it myself 😊. I’ll make one for the original characters as well. Make sure to subscribe for more! 😁
there is also the arcade mode interactions, some of those are freakin hilarious S.Yukiko "ugh you reak of sweat that's it I am going to burn away the germs" Akhiko "you don't know the importance of sweat"
Shadow Akihiko says “Your destined to lose what you love yet again”. With all the noise it is extremely hard to hear but I’m pretty sure that’s the line.
Honestly I love kens the most, how he switches to his younger self and talks about how he’s too weak. It’s like taunting him saying he’s still as weak as he was when he was a kid
Honestly his is my favorite. That whole interaction was like he saw ken wounded himself and instead of putting a little salt, he just dosed the whole entire salt onto his wound. I’ve always love the whole concept of shadows. Bring up trauma, ur insecurities, or bring up actions or thoughts that are morally wrong. It’s not something u should never forget, but to grow and move on to become a better person.
Tbh i saw it someway else. Like he was taunting him saying that his younger self was stronger. The older ken hasnt had much combat practice since sees while kid ken was *spoiler warning* Prepared to actually kill a person and then sacrifice his own life to protect fuuka while having a gun aimed at him. His shadow is basically saying that physically and mentally his kid version was superior. But yours makes more sense
But he wasn’t weak as a kid he kept up just fine with the rest of the SEES members and saved the world. That’s just his own negative thoughts about him
I find it interesting how Yu questions why he has a shadow, and to be fair he has a reason to be confused. It’s made known Yu has nothing to hide from anyone and has no inner self doubt, except maybe he does. Maybe he thinks he’s not fit to be the leader of the investigation group. And to see them actually take that route with his shadow is super cool
They've explored it a bit more in the anime as well. Your correct on your theory, but there's one thing u left out. Which is he's also scared of losing his friends. That all his friends will go their separate ways and leave him.
@@jcplays5831 tbh pretty much none of that was in the original game, Yu in that is little more than a blank slate that the anime heavily expanded upon, and it ended up sticking for P4 content going forward
He can't have a shadow because he had his Persona unlocked by Izanami. Same for Adachi, which is why he doesn't have a doppelganger shadow (though also because he wasn't supposed to interfere)
If you really think about it, Adachi is kind of like Yu's shadow. He has a persona who is literally the evil version of Izanagi. His eyes turn yellow when you fight him in p4. His ideals are the opposite of Yu's.
Yup, that's what shadows are. Not onlyy they have shadows, we all have shadows as well when you think about it. We all have something we are not proud of or a shame of our self.
Although they are many different version of Shadows, and most of them are exagereted (Persona 4's Shadows were infact also influenced by the masses' view on the victim) But they are part of the self, repressed they revoulted so they could express their complete nature
@@timeless_act I don't know, Shadow selves that aren't in P4 acts more like evil copy rather than their suppress self. For example, Shadow Yu always looks down on people and their bond, a stark constrast on how Yu feels and cannot be his suppressed feeling. Though it may possible that it's canonically how Yu's Shadow would be if it manifested earlier in P4, where he isn't as experience in bonding and friendship as after P4..
@@MinhLe19303 I mean they act like an evil copy because in the arena games that's what they are. They're copies made to provoke their counterparts into fighting them. They also have all the memories of their counterparts, hence why they behave like the investigation team's real shadows and strike at the insecurities of the members of S.E.E.S (the now shadow operatives). Specifically for Yu's shadow it seems to just act that way to mock him. Also its TV entrance is a call back to "Persona 4: the Animation" where Yu's shadow appeared during his fight with Margaret. I imagine that interpretation of his shadow is how it would have actually behaved.
@@demonkiller479 Shadow Yu in Animation is his suppress desire to not be alone and leaving his friends. Shadow Yu in Arena is much more different. It's pretty clear that he's much more malicious and dismissive of friendship. Even if that's the same Shadow, I don't see the point of him acting overly evil like that.
Fun fact, Marie was supposed to have a Shadow Type in this game as well, but that ended up getting scrapped. You can even find a portrait of her Shadow Type form on the Wiki. As for what her personality would've been like, I have an idea. SPOILER WARNING FOR PERSONA 4 GOLDEN INCOMING: My guess would be overwhelming guilt for her existence. She probably still has a part of her that wishes that she should've disappeared with the Hollow Forest, and make the P4 cast forget about her instead of putting themselves through so much trouble to save her, someone she believes to be a horrible monster meant to cause suffering onto her friends.
I really find it interesting how often the Shadows here are basically about regression. EX Shadow Ken turns into a kid and talks about being weak, referring to how weak Ken was when either his mother died or the Shinjiro stuff happened, Shadow Akihiko talks about hiding in training which is what Akihiko admits to just before getting Ceasar, or Shadow Mitsuru talking about how Mitsuru won't rely on anyone which was why she and Yukari didn't get along for so long. And yes I focused on the P3 characters, both because I like them more but also because it's a way to view them P3 itself didn't have. But I still really like it, these characters have grown past these issues mostly, the Shadows are only able to cling to them though.
fr, I’m on the copium train for when they’ll make a P5 arena. Still weird to think Ken is the same age as Haru, Makoto, and Akechi. Koro better still be alive, P3 already got enough dead characters 💀
4:20 - im a little sad aigis’ shadow never turns into, acts like, or even sounds like metis. i think its a really big missed opportunity. though, i suppose she’s grown since then, so maybe it make sense her shadow has grown too, and now represents her repressed robot side as opposed to her repressed human side..? i’m not sure
No it was definitely a missed opportunity. Shadows are suppose to represent ur deep darkest side of u. Her shadow in this game is kinda generic. Robot wanting to take kill all humans etc. it’s fine that it’s generic though but it would have been better if her shadow acts like Metis.
@@rayvenkman2087Adachi is true to himself and he doesnt have a Shadow because he has nothing to hide,his true nature is always visible even if he puts it away from time to time when needed
@@skell6134 Hence his initial Arcana is The Jester. What would a Shadow Adachi really reveal what we don’t already know from Adachi himself in Golden and Arena? That he secretly enjoys Godzilla GMK because it features a Godzilla who gives no shits about saving humanity and just wants to burn it to the ground or that he thinks the murder of Bruiser Brody is that of an idiot who pissed off the wrong people with his attitude and the hatred towards Gonzales is people trying to cope with the fact he got away with murder?
I could see Shadow Adachi’s attitude be practically based on the P4 Adachi boss, constantly having little to no self control over his anger, practically being a self absorbed manchild.
I think differently. Shadow kanji is very interesting. I think out of all the shadow characters in persona his is by far someone a lot of ppl can relate to more than any of the cast. He just wants to be accepted and be respected to on what he likes. And I’m sure a lot of ppl at one time were confused with their sexuality at one point as well.
I think all shadow characters are interesting btw. Yosuke shows his selfishness to achieve self satisfaction . I love that Chie shows she is envious and jealous of Yukiko. Yukiko creating a false imagery of her situation and wants to escape it. Shadow rise not knowing who she really is as a person. Teddie refusing to accept his true identity, and naoto creating a false imagery to gain respect from others. They are all well thought out.
No. Shadow kanji is depicted as a queer for a reason. Due to the fact he was bullied by females because he liked cute things, he became detest females. Which turn him more interested in guys. Since guys didn’t treat him that way the same way females did.
Also to new ppl joining in on this conversation, Ik it’s been a heated debate rather kanji is straight or bisexual so pleases keep it civil if ur gonna debate please. Let’s be nice 😅.
It *can* be seen as either, but the VA and the fans lean to him being gay. Or at the very least, a bicon. Shadows might be exaggerated overcompensations of a person's true insecurities at that time, but they are still a part of you. To claim homosexuality is a flaw that could be overcome is an inherently flawed viewpoint, and we should cheer Kanji on regardless.
@@BubbyBoy Yes! I heavily agree with this! I don't believe they were trying to make homosexuialty a flaw with him. He was just confuse. As I'm sure everyone has experience this before. Not sure who you are attracted to I mean. Kanji was just battling with his identity and all he wanted is to be accepted. I agree that we should cheer for him and be proud of him for standing up and being himself no matter what people think of him.
@@BubbyBoy Shadows are, as you said, an exaggeration, that's why he's not really gay, he's most likely bi or pan, otherwise, if you apply the logic that Kanji is gay because of his shadow, you can just say that Rise and Yukiko are massive sluts because of their shadows as well. Kanji's shadow was never about his sexuality, it's about the fact that because he likes cute/girly things, the girls around him called him gay or made fun of him for it, that's why he's got such a punk appearance, because he wants to be seen as manly. Him accepting his shadow is him accepting that doing cute/girly things doesn't make him less manly.
Shadow Akihiko says “your destined to lose what you love yet again.” Thank u ac Mikey. Anyways, I rarely see anyone made a video about this. Sooooo I decided to make it myself 😊. I’ll make one for the original characters as well.
Make sure to subscribe for more! 😁
i think if you lower SFX sound in settings you can maybe hear just the voice line
there is also the arcade mode interactions, some of those are freakin hilarious
S.Yukiko "ugh you reak of sweat that's it I am going to burn away the germs"
Akhiko "you don't know the importance of sweat"
Shadow Akihiko says “Your destined to lose what you love yet again”. With all the noise it is extremely hard to hear but I’m pretty sure that’s the line.
*You’re*
@@nightwish1453 I might do that as well. Get quotes on what shadow characters say on arcade mode next.
6:04
Shadow Yu: "I can finally be my true self!"
Nav Yu: "No complaints here!"
Big brain Yu, agree with the Shadow's exaggerated desires and have them accept you instead
Sounded like Yu was becoming Lelouch.
Honestly I love kens the most, how he switches to his younger self and talks about how he’s too weak. It’s like taunting him saying he’s still as weak as he was when he was a kid
Honestly his is my favorite. That whole interaction was like he saw ken wounded himself and instead of putting a little salt, he just dosed the whole entire salt onto his wound. I’ve always love the whole concept of shadows. Bring up trauma, ur insecurities, or bring up actions or thoughts that are morally wrong. It’s not something u should never forget, but to grow and move on to become a better person.
Tbh i saw it someway else.
Like he was taunting him saying that his younger self was stronger. The older ken hasnt had much combat practice since sees while kid ken was *spoiler warning*
Prepared to actually kill a person and then sacrifice his own life to protect fuuka while having a gun aimed at him.
His shadow is basically saying that physically and mentally his kid version was superior.
But yours makes more sense
I love it as well!
But he wasn’t weak as a kid he kept up just fine with the rest of the SEES members and saved the world. That’s just his own negative thoughts about him
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I love how Naoto is just like "Not this bitch again"
Yukiko: let's fight fair
Shadow yukiko proceeds to refuse normal yukiko from having any breathing room or ground to touch
I find it interesting how Yu questions why he has a shadow, and to be fair he has a reason to be confused. It’s made known Yu has nothing to hide from anyone and has no inner self doubt, except maybe he does. Maybe he thinks he’s not fit to be the leader of the investigation group. And to see them actually take that route with his shadow is super cool
They've explored it a bit more in the anime as well. Your correct on your theory, but there's one thing u left out. Which is he's also scared of losing his friends. That all his friends will go their separate ways and leave him.
@@timeless_act yeah you’re right. It’s kinda crazy how much character we got out of a silent protagonist
@@jcplays5831 tbh pretty much none of that was in the original game, Yu in that is little more than a blank slate that the anime heavily expanded upon, and it ended up sticking for P4 content going forward
He can't have a shadow because he had his Persona unlocked by Izanami. Same for Adachi, which is why he doesn't have a doppelganger shadow (though also because he wasn't supposed to interfere)
If you really think about it, Adachi is kind of like Yu's shadow. He has a persona who is literally the evil version of Izanagi. His eyes turn yellow when you fight him in p4. His ideals are the opposite of Yu's.
Shadow Aigis really be trying to free Makoto, if there's no humanity there is no reason for the seal either
Damn, I didn't think of it like that
They took Makoto from her so she wants revenge the ultimate yandere
When you think about what shadows are. Everything they say is actually true about their counterparts. From their distain to their bloodlust
Yup, that's what shadows are. Not onlyy they have shadows, we all have shadows as well when you think about it. We all have something we are not proud of or a shame of our self.
Although they are many different version of Shadows, and most of them are exagereted (Persona 4's Shadows were infact also influenced by the masses' view on the victim)
But they are part of the self, repressed they revoulted so they could express their complete nature
@@timeless_act I don't know, Shadow selves that aren't in P4 acts more like evil copy rather than their suppress self. For example, Shadow Yu always looks down on people and their bond, a stark constrast on how Yu feels and cannot be his suppressed feeling. Though it may possible that it's canonically how Yu's Shadow would be if it manifested earlier in P4, where he isn't as experience in bonding and friendship as after P4..
@@MinhLe19303 I mean they act like an evil copy because in the arena games that's what they are. They're copies made to provoke their counterparts into fighting them. They also have all the memories of their counterparts, hence why they behave like the investigation team's real shadows and strike at the insecurities of the members of S.E.E.S (the now shadow operatives).
Specifically for Yu's shadow it seems to just act that way to mock him. Also its TV entrance is a call back to "Persona 4: the Animation" where Yu's shadow appeared during his fight with Margaret. I imagine that interpretation of his shadow is how it would have actually behaved.
@@demonkiller479 Shadow Yu in Animation is his suppress desire to not be alone and leaving his friends. Shadow Yu in Arena is much more different. It's pretty clear that he's much more malicious and dismissive of friendship. Even if that's the same Shadow, I don't see the point of him acting overly evil like that.
Aigis: kills Aigis
Aigis: _that was the best way to end the match_
EVERYDAY IS GREAT AT YOUR JUNES
Honestly the shadow is better
5:02 Yukiko didn’t even have a chance
Fun fact, Marie was supposed to have a Shadow Type in this game as well, but that ended up getting scrapped. You can even find a portrait of her Shadow Type form on the Wiki. As for what her personality would've been like, I have an idea. SPOILER WARNING FOR PERSONA 4 GOLDEN INCOMING:
My guess would be overwhelming guilt for her existence. She probably still has a part of her that wishes that she should've disappeared with the Hollow Forest, and make the P4 cast forget about her instead of putting themselves through so much trouble to save her, someone she believes to be a horrible monster meant to cause suffering onto her friends.
Mitsuru's voice is just gold, for real imagine being born with that voice lmao xD
Be honest. You just wanted to show off your Shadow Mitsuru combo.
Yeah 😂. I do.
Ouch... i like how Shadow Chie just kicks normal chie extra time for victory animation,lol
wow shadows really do get the best intros and outros compared to the regulars
So cool that they all got unique entrance and winning animations. They could've just used the default animations, but they went above thaf
Just imagine the interactions if shinjiro was in this game too
I love how happy Teddie was to see his shadow 💀💀
I really find it interesting how often the Shadows here are basically about regression. EX Shadow Ken turns into a kid and talks about being weak, referring to how weak Ken was when either his mother died or the Shinjiro stuff happened, Shadow Akihiko talks about hiding in training which is what Akihiko admits to just before getting Ceasar, or Shadow Mitsuru talking about how Mitsuru won't rely on anyone which was why she and Yukari didn't get along for so long.
And yes I focused on the P3 characters, both because I like them more but also because it's a way to view them P3 itself didn't have. But I still really like it, these characters have grown past these issues mostly, the Shadows are only able to cling to them though.
this game either makes me go 'this is so fucking fire why is this so underrated' or 'what the fuck'
The (un)True Self
Dude. Shadow rise is straight up taunting her ((real)) counterpart at this point not only with the line but also the pose
Wouldn't be funny if aigis shadow was metis
That would be very interesting if metis was Aigis’ shadows
Akihiko changed teams
Shadow Junpei's portrait looks as if he's gonna murder your whole family...
Yeah. He does look like a psychopath. Honestly his and shadow rise portrait is my favorite.
i got to this comment exactly as that fight came up
i wish makoto was in this game. maybe as a ghost or something.
fr, I’m on the copium train for when they’ll make a P5 arena.
Still weird to think Ken is the same age as Haru, Makoto, and Akechi.
Koro better still be alive, P3 already got enough dead characters 💀
@@choking1668 Wasn’t Ken 9-10 in 2009-2010? That would make him the same age as Joker, Ryuji, Ann, Yusuke, and perhaps Futaba. Not the third years.
1:25 THE NAOTO BEHIND THE SLAUGHTER!? 😳
Naotom Afton
7:52 BLACKIHIKO!!! (I’m sorry)
😭
IN THE END, YOU'RE STILL EMPTY 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
7:24 brutal
She Probably kill her
I am a shadow the true self.
4:20 - im a little sad aigis’ shadow never turns into, acts like, or even sounds like metis. i think its a really big missed opportunity. though, i suppose she’s grown since then, so maybe it make sense her shadow has grown too, and now represents her repressed robot side as opposed to her repressed human side..? i’m not sure
No it was definitely a missed opportunity. Shadows are suppose to represent ur deep darkest side of u. Her shadow in this game is kinda generic. Robot wanting to take kill all humans etc. it’s fine that it’s generic though but it would have been better if her shadow acts like Metis.
I hate that there is like....no shadow Adachi or at least make em have yellow shadow eyes and the aura
I think Adachi knew who he truly is deep down to not have one.
@@rayvenkman2087Adachi is true to himself and he doesnt have a Shadow because he has nothing to hide,his true nature is always visible even if he puts it away from time to time when needed
@@skell6134 Hence his initial Arcana is The Jester. What would a Shadow Adachi really reveal what we don’t already know from Adachi himself in Golden and Arena? That he secretly enjoys Godzilla GMK because it features a Godzilla who gives no shits about saving humanity and just wants to burn it to the ground or that he thinks the murder of Bruiser Brody is that of an idiot who pissed off the wrong people with his attitude and the hatred towards Gonzales is people trying to cope with the fact he got away with murder?
@@rayvenkman2087 Even if we dont know about something about Adachi,i would say that its nothing important enough to cause shadow to appear,lol
I could see Shadow Adachi’s attitude be practically based on the P4 Adachi boss, constantly having little to no self control over his anger, practically being a self absorbed manchild.
shadow yu youske and labirs are my favorits
now, hear me out
shadow yukari
8:21 ... Jenga?
Shadow kanji disturbs me
I think differently. Shadow kanji is very interesting. I think out of all the shadow characters in persona his is by far someone a lot of ppl can relate to more than any of the cast. He just wants to be accepted and be respected to on what he likes. And I’m sure a lot of ppl at one time were confused with their sexuality at one point as well.
I think all shadow characters are interesting btw. Yosuke shows his selfishness to achieve self satisfaction . I love that Chie shows she is envious and jealous of Yukiko. Yukiko creating a false imagery of her situation and wants to escape it. Shadow rise not knowing who she really is as a person. Teddie refusing to accept his true identity, and naoto creating a false imagery to gain respect from others. They are all well thought out.
Akehiko was my fav here it's such a good quote and yosuke is second than chie
Also a flex on combos
It feels like some people are missing...
Adachi, Margaret, Elizabeth and Marie don’t have shadow verison.
@@timeless_actwhat about Shadow Koromaru victory quote & victory screen?
@@user-ee6lk1pb6wKoromaru is only an assist for Ken
Does Ken not have a victory speech thing?
Come now you again
cant tell which akihiko is the shadow one
WHY IS AKIHIKO SHIROU EMIYA!??
I so hate how they depicted Shadow Kanji as a queer like that. He just likes cute thing, not being gay.
No. Shadow kanji is depicted as a queer for a reason. Due to the fact he was bullied by females because he liked cute things, he became detest females. Which turn him more interested in guys. Since guys didn’t treat him that way the same way females did.
Also to new ppl joining in on this conversation, Ik it’s been a heated debate rather kanji is straight or bisexual so pleases keep it civil if ur gonna debate please. Let’s be nice 😅.
It *can* be seen as either, but the VA and the fans lean to him being gay. Or at the very least, a bicon.
Shadows might be exaggerated overcompensations of a person's true insecurities at that time, but they are still a part of you. To claim homosexuality is a flaw that could be overcome is an inherently flawed viewpoint, and we should cheer Kanji on regardless.
@@BubbyBoy Yes! I heavily agree with this! I don't believe they were trying to make homosexuialty a flaw with him. He was just confuse. As I'm sure everyone has experience this before. Not sure who you are attracted to I mean. Kanji was just battling with his identity and all he wanted is to be accepted. I agree that we should cheer for him and be proud of him for standing up and being himself no matter what people think of him.
@@BubbyBoy Shadows are, as you said, an exaggeration, that's why he's not really gay, he's most likely bi or pan, otherwise, if you apply the logic that Kanji is gay because of his shadow, you can just say that Rise and Yukiko are massive sluts because of their shadows as well. Kanji's shadow was never about his sexuality, it's about the fact that because he likes cute/girly things, the girls around him called him gay or made fun of him for it, that's why he's got such a punk appearance, because he wants to be seen as manly. Him accepting his shadow is him accepting that doing cute/girly things doesn't make him less manly.