Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, by Tom O'Neill. It took him about 20 years to complete this book. published in 2019.
@@mikeFM76 YES! People always ignore "Manson- In His Own Words", but I think it is the most honest and realistic account of the murders straight from the source himself.
This was a fantastic documentary. Most other docs do not focus on the music and just focus on the cult and violence. This explains so well how the rejection from the music word totally drove him off a cliff. Really appreciate the way this story is told. All of the people interviewed here actually knew him and where there for all of this at the time. Loved all of the backstory to his time in LA and how he was desperately trying to make it as a rock star.
The LSD "mind control" experiments done on him, and all the get out of jail free cards are what allowed this to happen. He had been doing things for years and years, it was only a matter of time before it reached this point because he wasn't being punished for all of the crimes he was doing. In fact, he was being given some of the purest LSD to ever exist, for free. Massive amounts that you couldn't believe. I mean a single gram makes 100k REGULAR doses of LSD. In powder form that's like spilling a little salt, yet if a single human consumed it WHO KNOWS what would happen to them. It doesn't just kill you in massive doses, actually I don't know of too many overdoses from LSD. Maybe heart attacks and strokes, etc. My point being, without the authourities doing their "jobs", and him being given every upperhanded situation ever. I mean he was a terrible criminal, why was he not in prision LONG before this happened? Because they wanted him in "normal" society to see the effects and how he acted with other humans. They got their answer.
Spot on. I only knew Charlie as a diabolical maniac, who's only existence are known for being a carrier criminal, never know he was such a good musician who once get along and even collaborate a band like beach boys.
Ah, the days of taxation w/o representation ... I was only graduating from middle school. Our family recently moved from Mendocino County California to Clackamas county, Oregon. Where another Charley prowled... and a classmate's name is later listed as a possible victim of Ted Bundy in a bookby ann rule - the stranger beside me. The good old days.... we did get the voting age lowered to 18 in that time period, so some of the young men drafted for service got to vote before they got sent to kill for US and we had bodily autonomy (at least in theory) for a time w/ Roe v Wade. The good old days. . . weren't always.
Really fascinating stuff. I found the musical background stuff especially interesting. Definitely a different angle than most of the documentaries have done.
great documentary... and one thing I never considered is the impact that all this story had on Dennis Wilson, who was just an innocent witness of all this madness
Very sad end. I think he felt guilty for having taken the creation of Manson toi the Beach Boys, who had a chance to produce it-- but it still was Manson's creation and he should have been given more for it.
Very good documentary. I've seen them all and this one really spent time on the details of his attempted music career. A lot of it I knew already but a good bit of information I didn't know. It proved that Terry Melcher perjured himself in the trials claiming he only met Charles Manson twice.
I grew up down the hill from Spahn Ranch in Chatsworth in the late 60s early 70s. As a young kid hiking up in Chatsworth Park I never understood why older kids would say be careful or else Charlie will get you. Years later as I got older I understood why!!
Totally agree and as Jeff Guinn says in interviews and in his book on Manson which I highly recommend a must read! Manson was a problem as a child . He did have a no so great relationship with his mom but he had loving family that helped and even then he was always causing trouble and problems. He was passed around but it was Charlie who was the bad egg . He always caused trouble and always blames someone else never him and he was manipulative . He was a psychopath and Psychotic. Read the Guinn book and you will understand
@@mr.sherlockholmes6130 You really need to watch the interview of his cousin where he was sent to live with for a while as a child, your fiction is further from the truth than could possibly ever be.
As The Manson Family fades into history for greater killings, all has been said, speculated and done. He had a great run but the followers of this story are passing away and in 10 years will be a mere footnote in history.
@@jayjay-w2v i respect you answer but Leslie is still a convicted murderer and she originally got the death penalty. So that being said she and the rest of them should have never be allowed to have a parole hearing. Sharon Tate and her unborn son Cry from their grave for justice.
😂😂😂😂 they been talking bout murderers for hundreds of years hunter Holmes being one of them and still is talked bout to this day and hate to break it to you but in the true crime realm Manson is on the Mount Rushmore for true crime as long as their is violence/true crime In this world Manson will always be talked about
Automatically Muted for Copyright Issues (with certain songs). As this is a documentary, they should've got this taken care of but it's not a very easy process from what I hear.
I remember this! I had just graduated from high school in June 1969. I lived in Orange county, Ca. This was so shocking. 🤔, I am stunned that they recently let one of the murders out of prison. They all received the death penalty but Calif overturned death penalties. They should have gotten life without parole!
They let out probably the least “worse” of the bunch (Van Houten already stabbed the victims when they were already dead). The worse (Atkins, Watson, Krenwinkel, Mansion) will never leave prison or already passed (Atkins and Mansion).
If only RUclips existed back then. He could have become famous through his own channel. Instead, he was blocked by the criminal organization that has a monopoly on the entertainment industry.
Yeah, then he could have joined the legions of other grifters and groomers online. He wasn’t blocked. He just wasn’t sufficiently talented to warrant the investment. Fame isn’t a human right, and failing to become a successful recording artist is not an excuse to r*pe at least one underage girl, murder and incite to murder, and exploit a cult inspired by your own grandiose fantasies.
You’re right about RUclips because it allows people to bypass gatekeepers. As far as the rest is concerned… It’s not a “criminal organization.” It’s definitely a business based on predatory exploitation, extremely lopsided contractual legal obligations and it’s all driven by an amazing level of avarice. Just because something is demonstrably unfair that doesn’t mean that it’s a criminal organization. Nor was Charlie Manson blocked by the music industry. Terry Melcher didn’t want to deal with Manson’s behavior. Dennis Wilson and his people didn’t want to deal with Manson’s behavior. Charlie’s roadblock was Charlie. Back then there were so many record companies so it wasn’t a matter of a monopoly, either. There wasn’t a single entity that controlled all of the record companies that conspired to block Manson out of anything - that would’ve been a monopoly. In almost every endeavor in life, Charlie Manson was Charlie Manson’s worst enemy. That’s really a shame because when I listen to some of his songs, I hear some solid musical talent. Especially when you listen to “Look At Your Game Girl” and “Sick City,” both of those could’ve easily been Top Ten Hits in the late 1960s into the early 1970s.
Those murders probably wouldn't have happened if his connections to Terry Melcher and Brian Wilson had led to a music career. But yes, he had spent more years in jail than out when he was released and moved to California. In fact he had told them not to let him out, that he could not function in society.
@@iolitelight I don’t think Charlie ever had a stable life and given his record he done petty crimes constantly and was always doing things to ruin himself, The same would apply even if he did become a musician he would of self destructed once again
This is one of the best documentaries I've ever seen on the Manson Family. It makes Once Upon a Time in Holywood look like a joke. The joke was how many questions were left unanswered for people who didn't grow up in Holywood or even California.
Well its important to keep in mind that Tarantino’s film wasn’t meant to be a documentary or bio pic about the Manson Family. It wasn’t even meant to be the core focus. It was somewhat of a subplot that was meant to be interwoven into the main plot of Rick and Cliff and the changing landscape of Hollywood at the time, with the added feature of a plot twist with a wish fulfillment for an alternate ending to a real life historical event. You didn’t have to grow up in California to be familiar with the Manson stuff. It was an international media story. But younger viewers would be less apt to be aware of it. Possibly Tarantino assumes those who are interested would seek out the history which is all over the internet and countless books and other movies and tv shows.
@@EastSide-qc5oy I’m not old enough to be aware of Manson as anyone who professed to being a neo Nazi by carving it into his head in prison. What this documentary does well is normalises how Manson got to that point through mental defect and how if he were treated more kindly by the music industry (where he eventually lost the plot) he could have been a different person. There are three types in terms of policing this out… “mad, bad and sad.” Charles Manson didn’t start out as mad. He’s a case where the system took a sad person chewed them out (in this case in the Hollywood machine) and made him mad (insane). I don’t think after watching this documentary that anyone could say Manson was a mad man from the beginning… maybe a little eccentric and a tiny bit utopian but not a mad man. It took the machine to make Manson truely mad. I think we created the Manson family and with all created madness (in the nurturing department) society is at least a little responsible for the result. I'm not romanticising what he became (probably from one to many LSD trips actually). I think behind every villain there is a story. I feel sad for the facts that no one intervened or showed him enough love. He clearly found a passion in prison the first few times with music. If you listen to the whole song he wrote that is featured in this movie: "Look at ya game girl" (it's on Spotify) There is something raw there (he crosses over boundaries, into the areas of Bob Dylan, mixed with Frank Sinatra, and The Eagles, off the top of my head) I come from a musical family. He has a talent for music that could have saved his life. Instead as per usual. The producers in Holywood made fun of him and he lashed out in the only way he knew how, by picking public figures and getting his cult family to kill them. That in itself is a sad story of degenerate madness... Charles Manson had a rare kind of "mystique" about him and he ruined it in his madness... If we dug around in the closets of any rock star at the time including the most softly of spoken Eric Clapton there is a little Charles Manson in him also. At this time Clapton would have been knocking shoulders with Jimmy Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, and Jimmy Page. That's how easy it is. Eric Clapton would have been shooting up copious amounts of drugs with his band members from Cream. That's what the song "Sunshine of your life" is actually about... the acid houses, acid rock, which eventually would lead to an entire genre called "acid house." I'm not apologising, I'm just stating what the music industry, and stardom continues to do to people. I can see exactly why growing up in a musical family in Australia with my dad who has played with everyone from the whose who, including Billy Joel and the Aztecs of Australian notoriety, met the guitarist from Cold Chisel and so on, exactly how this madness develops. I know many people like this... unfortunately it's usually the ones the machine spits out, and where they can't handle the pain of being a "reject." If I dig deeply enough I am three steps away from introducing you to everyone in Hollywood like Manson. Through Richard Norton, I could probably get you an introduction through Richard Norton (Mad Max Fury Road) to Chuck Norris. But I don't need to.... I have my own ways and I am now interested in sociology not rehashing the 1960s or the 1970s when it comes to music. My dad was a security guard, a sessions artist (played backing guitar with some of the best), and knew of how to get me introduced to practically anyone. But I don't live in the lime light of that old news. My family could introduce me to the entirety of the music industry because Richard Norton who trained as a security guard in Australia was bodyguard to Linda Rondstat and at one point Abba also, that's how Richard Norton got his name in Holywood. The thing is... He had enough talent as a stunt man alongside Jackie Chan, and Chuck Norris to cut out some what of a name for himself to make money... If you go down to the main strip of Holywood all of these people bump shoulders with each other all the time. To me it's almost on the level of the incestuous cesspit that is the British Royal Family (Hollywood that is), I don't want to go there... I just want to understand why. I've seen people like Manson thousands of times before in the industry. It just makes me sad that the machine chews out people with some kind of talent... again and again and again... I KNOW personally many talented "Manson's" who blew their own head off (metaphorically) with drugs. It's unfortunate that's what stardom and it's attraction does in the face of "the machine." Where this story ends is where new sounds people like Eric Clapton and Cream were creating... "where the sun never shines" in the white (injecting room). "Such a sad time at the station." Where these people's lives eventually fell apart trying to be another Manson... The white lights and black lights near the station, tired starlings, met together to shoot up drugs, take acid tabs, and try to be famous. "No strings attached right?" Cream - White Room.
I really wish that they would have made it very clear that 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' was a work of fiction. Edit: I suppose enough time has passed to call 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' a historical fiction.
Yup!, all a person needs to do is listen to the interview of the people convicted of the murders to get the non BS truth about what really happened, it's mostly here on RUclips.
The alleged 'A&R' guy was US Intelligence. You'd be surprised how much of what you thought was authentic artistic entertainment was social grooming by total frauds.
Sharon Tate was a female rising 26 year old Hollywood star who was well known for her beauty. she is of English, Swiss, and French descent. She could be described by her friends and family as a gentle-hearted woman with her outside beauty equally matching her inside.
Very well produced and accurate. I was sleeping in my VW van in Topanga Canyon the night of the Tate murders. My parents had just kicked me out of the house for smoking weed. I was 18 and looking for a place to rent. Man was that a shocker.
@@MeeMee-gz5vp do you kids REALLY think nothing happened before you were born That things have always been as fucked up as they are now. I m GLAD to be going to die BEFORE there s no more food or clean water
This is a great, honest look at the murders. To fully understand WHY the Tate- LaBianca murders happened you must look at Bobby Beausoleil and the Hinman murder.
Phil Kaufman was the guy who stole Gram Parsons and cremated him in the desert. He went on to manage Emmylou Harris. Bobby Beausoleil took over the soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's "Lucifer Rising" when Jimmy Page got too whacked on heroin to complete the job. Manson and a couple of his cohorts tried to crash Frank Zappa's house, and he ran them off. Neil Young praised Charlie's music until the murders. Quite a curious little circle of characters. The Army's movie and media complex was located in Laurel Canyon, They had production facilities for movies, television, music and anything else you could want. It was used to make training films and other media during WW2. Right smack in the middle of the counterculture revolution.
Maybe this is why the entire Laurel Canyon crowd of musicians were sons & daughters of Army officers, Navy officers, CIA agents, Atomic Energy Commission officials & FBI members.
@@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul There's no doubt in my mind about that. Learning all this stuff was a hard pill to swallow. You find out that all these people whose music you love, and admire are the exact same thing that they're singing against. When the golden idols start to get a little tarnished, that's when you begin to understand why the Good Book forbids idolatry. Idols will let you down every time. Manson actually said one thing that I thought made some sense. Geraldo Rivera was interviewing him and he asked "What's it like to be crazy, Charlie"? Manson's reply was profound. He said: "It ain't what it used to be. Crazy used to mean somethin' but now, everybody's crazy. Hell, it's become just another normal condition!" Even a clock that's broken is right twice a day.
Charlie was a hack guitar player that knew 3 chords, his voice was decent. Melcher and others tried to steer him into saleable material but Charlie would not listen. Like most cons he thought he was smarter than the professionals. He brought women in who chanted, played tambourines, bells ect out of time. If he had real musicians doing the music he may have gotten a contract which did not take much in the 60s. Charlie always was his own worst enemy, usually by what came out of his mouth.
3 chores invented punk. Had Charlie waited a decade, he could've made a decent living. He would've been a little old to start, but I can see Johnny Rotten working with him. He was institutionalized. He couldn't go a decade without committing a crime.
Disagree here, without expertise. I heard him play diminished and augmented chords, and came by them in a way that links harmonically to the post war period jazz/pop like Woody Hermann and Bing Crosby. I suspect the girls narrowed his harmonic scope, and he abandoned previous structures. I'm gleaning from multiple documentaries and books that Charles Manson had written publishable music, lyrics and accompaniment in the late 50s/early 60s.
I remember hearing a story about him spitting on a guard and the guard opened his cell and worked him over with a billy club, the guard said he never spit on him again and acted really nice towards him LMFAO
I live in New Haven Connecticut and there used to be a record store called Rhyme's records and I remember when I was in my late teens in the late eighties going into that store and seeing a Manson album for sale who knows if it was a bootleg or an original or what have you but it was there and maybe I should have bought it for a collector's item.
I was born in 1967 and grew up with this whole thing and Im here to tell you no one I know I grew up with automatically associates Dennis Wilson with Manson it was very unfortunate that they met But I still revere and love the Beach Boys !!! !!!
When you think you Saw it all and know it all, there Will always be a new book, video or movie, details, theories, members speaking etc. There Will never be a Final word about the family and what happend...
Absolutely Brilliant After watching Charles Mason interviews . He slips up often in his own defence In many interviews and shows all, And is lucky he did not take the stand. So overlaying this will give any mind the insight of this Guy The times of his past His association's Then the 60's and all his moves, and thinking nails it all. It's absolutely brilliant. 🎯 This production 🎯
Had the sixtys not happen, Charlie Would had ended back in the can again He was born to, jail hop The free sex, music, free living as the 60's unfolded. He exploited a timeloop hole With his lifetime jail skills and need to survive 🎯
I almost skipped this thinking it would just be the same old stuff over and over but this has lots of new information for me! And I thought I’ve heard it all.
He was the most scary man on earth I followed his story I grew up when all this happened scared alotta people then my prayers still go out to all the victims families
Sociopaths are all scary. They're master manipulators and every cult leader and totalitarian dictator is either a narcissist or sociopath. They can screw up one person in a relationship or at work or screw up a whole country, like Putin is doing now. Narcissist and sociopaths are 10% of the population. I was married to a covert narcissist and it took its toll on me.
There are farrrrrr scarier men than him! Throughout history??! Omg. Even Jeffrey Dahmer can easily take that podium! I think Charles was a disturbed/broken man... That low quality of life, the drugs, the mindset,.... I've seen manyyyyy people get lost in life due to LSD for example. Their brains fry and basically they turn into monkeys. It was just bad decision after bad decision... I dabbled in that Hippie lifestyle and omg... If you take too much LSD... Your brain (and life) is going bye bye for sure. And if you add the parties, the raves,... That just piles up and boosts to the disaster that's going to happen. And yeah, when people reach that point... There isn't much they can do except crime, violence and all that stuff. Charles was deep deep in it. It actually seemed that Charles was trying to get out of that path... Doing music and all the things, he was moving! But he should've cut drastically that drug part. Sadly he didn't know better... As many other people to this day actually!
They say Charlie was "the most dangerous killer in America." He was no one special, he wasn't any worse than any other killer from that era. Charles Manson really never killed anyone by his own hands but he did convince others to kill. He was only considered "the most dangerous man in America" because he killed a famous actress. If he didn't kill Sharon Tate we probably wouldn't even know who he is today.
@@wanderer299a no not really, I agree. But her husband was and I guarantee she was more famous then you and I would ever be. She was way above the average man and the media can make money off of that, in fact, they think "the more famous the better." And "she's as good as they can get" at the time.
People that say he was just evil, or just it for revenge, or just a killer... I'm sorry but there's so much more to it that I honestly can & can't understand. I think the part I can't is what draws me back to it
That's what Master manipulators do, basically he was trolling the establishment because of how they treated him as a youth, and early adult. He spent more time in jail than free
He was an alleged member of the Process Church. Which was an offshoot of the Church of scientology. Research the process church and align the doctrine with his philosophy. The parallels are crazy. He was under some sort of mind control. Just my opinion
He was secretly Roman Polanski's power bottom sidepiece. He grew more jealous of Sharon and exacted his revenge. It's nothing but a jilted lover story of revenge.
This was a great documentary, but I can't understand why when clips of his song's were played there was no audio. The sound went off on every audio clip that was played. Why?
Tex got word a drug shipment was being delivered to the Tate house from his mobbed up old pot suppliers at the vending machine company and he was going to steal the drugs, money or both so Charlie could get Bobby out of jail for the Hinman murder. Charlie was paranoid Bobby would rat him out.
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Look at your game girl IS a very good song. Gnr did a cover of it. I think Charlie had a good voice and he wrote good lyrics but his guitar playing sucked. But yeah i think he couldve made it as a famous musician.but then again we are all lucky that he wasnt more famous coz then his cult wouldve been wayyyyy bigger and they couldve killed more people.
Excellent honest documentary. Thank you. I was 15 when the massacres happened. At that young age I hated what Manson represented. Watching your and other documentaries over the last two days this self proclaimed guru/Jesus was just a criminal who thinks so highly of himself and continued to do so even from prison. There should have been a ban on all interviews. That would have hurt really his ego and maybe he would have died earlier from the disinterest. His "reign" was only about 2 years.
He was obviously a psychopath....with the satanists at his ranch....I'm sure he was demonic in the end. Funny...no one mentions that. It had NOTHING to do with the hippie movement....quite the opposite! These types of people prey on the innocent!!
Thanks for the video, it became possible only because of the leads discovered and investigated by Tom O''Neill in his 2019 book 'Chaos. Charlie Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties'.
Yèh ....."God's Own Country" two allowed political parties , both dancing to the pipes of the Pentagon , built on genocide of its original inhabitants , endless imperialist wars, propping up military regimes , serial killers galore.......Seems karma is about to present its ultimate bill. Dragging the rest of the world down with it.
Im with you 💯 on your sentiment. However that loop would not be that hard to remember LIKE AT ALL, if he was someone that is like your dad and this is nor al for him to do, as he had 3 ish months there. I honestly think anyone or a lit of people would know that horse shoe route just being there for a little bit. Because when you move to a new place you go explore it a bit, even and often especially post COVID. And im from the PNW and knownthe area. When your in Pullman, after driving around there for 20 minutes you would head to Moscow ID drive around there for 20 minutes and then you would want to go a different way back to Pullman where you live so you would go south and then take the exact route he took as the main most obvious one if you didnt want to go to crazy far and were just driving the main loop heading south and wanting to get back to Pullman. Yes I know there are a few ways to do a shorter loop. But its just the main way I woukd go if I was new to Pullman and wanted to go out for a drive.
My brother was much like him. It became terrifying by the end of his life. I lived 48 years of hell with him. I hear some of the words and thoughts of Charlie, I hear my brother. Some people are just born different.They are highly intelligent, but use it for wrong. I watch these documentaries and compare the two. It's terrifying.
I like his music and singing voice, and I think he said some insightful things about this country's inhumanity. Unfortunately, he was a misogynist, racist, wouldn't live a crime-free life, and believed people were free to commit murder.
@@jamesdeangelo8166 he was different there hasn’t been another him since he died & hopefully there will never be. Maybe you need to get yourself some help? You’re profile photo speaks volumes about you!
Tom O'Neill DID A very WELL researched book were he was able to get hold of a bunch of the declassified CIA files from MK-Ultras operation kaios and was able to PROVE that mansion was involved in the CIA and mk ultras mind control program which is also why mansion was able to stay out of jail after his last stint in and would always get released after he was in the program. He was taught how to control people like he did. and one really stunning thing Tom O'Neill was able to also find was a guy who was a CIA informant that was keeping an eye on the Manson family and hanging at the ranch who know about the state murder plot but had to stay silent and let it play out so he would not blow his cover as a CIA agent. The cia wanted Manson to get people to go on a murder spree so they could end the hippy and anti-war movement and it sure worked cause the Manson killings painted a bad picture to the public about all the "peace-loving hippies after the trials... if anyone is interested at all about the truth Tom O'Neill lays put a very well done case about all that was going on in the 60s "Tom O'Neill CHAOS: The Charles Manson, The CIA & The 60s" --->>> ruclips.net/video/WkTO3E89RHE/видео.html
If you dip toe in, might as well jump head first, because you're going to experience a bunch of nuts, but also legit rabbit holes, some you don't want to go down.
No, I'm sorry but you're mistaken no conspiracies. Charles was filled with a lifetime of pain, anger, loneliness growing up, abandonment and resentment all bottled up inside. He had the worst beginnings in life and endured extreme abuse both sexual and physical and he had to suffer this alone. His social skills were not as good as some might think but he was good at speaking due to all the books he read while in prison. He had a very short fuse and a deep need to be relevant as he felt he was unlovable due to his mother's abandonment of him. He didn't know how to resolve conflict because he was never shown and he didn't know how to handle anything negative . His reaction to anything that didn't go his way was to explode and not know how to channel his emotions. Things that most people can rationalize sent him over the top. It's no surprise he did the things he did growing up nor is it suprising he had such a deep anger/hate inside but he chose to fuel that anger and he chose to try and bring as many as he could into his world because he didn't want to be alone and he wanted to make sure it was known how much he had suffered unfairly and he also wanted others to feel pain as he did. No doubt he wasnt given a fair start in life but he still chose to do the things he did. He had no sympathy, empathy, or concern for anyone as he didn't know how and therefore he felt nothing for anything.. The story is tragic all the way around from beginning to end. He chose to facilitate and the others chose to follow. RIP victims.
Same as Leary - on the payroll. They were all on some kind of spook shit chemical weapons program first run out of Mkultra thru the universities and prisons in the 1950s. Then they rolled it out in San Francisco in the 1960s. Strange, but true. Ted Kaczinski aka "Unabomber" incidentally was another participant (or victim).
@@tedpeterson1156 Yeah...I did in fact hear that about Ted K. A bit scary when you think about it. I"m going to assume, all this is a bit off base, that you have seen the original "Manchurian Candidate" with Sinatra ...correct?
If Charles was so spiritual, he would known that if he wasn’t attached to the outcome of getting a recording contract, he most likely would have behaved in such a way that he would have gotten that contract.
As far as isolating people for whatever kind of business, this trick is also done by people who are a branch of the law, and not always for the most sincere or greatest purposes!
The Manson we know as the “Messianic manipulator” was created by LSD experimentation / sensory deprivation while incarcerated at McNeil Island penitentiary according to his cellmate there. It was before Manson ever got to San Francisco and the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic. This cellmate, who became a prominent prison reform advocate, wrote an article in 1972 about an MK-Ultra style program in the Federal prison system where “original personalities were annihilated and new artificial personalities were created.”
Beginning to believe "Charles Manson & The Family' was a CIA operation. But what was the purpose? To smear the Hippy peace love & spirituality thing. Make communes look evil and dangerous. Hippes = dangerous anti socials. End the 60s? I feel like a herded sheep sometimes
Songwriters don't necessarily have to perform their tunes to become successful. At that time Robert Hunter wrote a bunch for the Grateful Dead, and probably did more drugs than Charlie. Jimmy Webb wrote for Glenn Campbell, etc. If he could have got published that might have worked for him. But he was a total nutbar, even by LA standards. He thought they should have signed him on the spot, and it doesn't work that way. It can take months for a record deal. Personally I don't think he was too good, but there were plenty of shitty bands making records.
Robert Hunter was a lyricist, not a song writer. Manson was a below average singer, musician, and songwriter, so he never would have made it in the business. He couldn’t have been just a songwriter because his lyrics were abysmal and his songs were mostly atrocities. He had very little musical talent.
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Well there's no accounting for taste, as the saying goes. He had several opportunities to record and was recommended by a few heavyweights in the biz. The problem was, he was described as "unproduceable".
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Sounds like he had all the qualities it takes to be a stellar success in the music business today, he just missed the right time for below average singers, musicians and songwriters...he should have waited 20 more years.
@@chipmusick682 False. It’s even harder to make it in the music business now, even though the music is far worse. He would have had even less of a chance now because the scene is so over saturated with people.
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The best documentary on this topic I have viewed. Splendid program.
Finally, a documentary that covers some of nuances of the story.
Read MANSON IN HIS OWN WORDS by Nuell Emmons
Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, by Tom O'Neill. It took him about 20 years to complete this book. published in 2019.
@@mikeFM76 YES! People always ignore "Manson- In His Own Words", but I think it is the most honest and realistic account of the murders straight from the source himself.
This was a fantastic documentary. Most other docs do not focus on the music and just focus on the cult and violence. This explains so well how the rejection from the music word totally drove him off a cliff. Really appreciate the way this story is told. All of the people interviewed here actually knew him and where there for all of this at the time. Loved all of the backstory to his time in LA and how he was desperately trying to make it as a rock star.
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He could have sent all his family out for jobs, taken their paychecks and bought his own recording studio like Berry Gordy 😂
The LSD "mind control" experiments done on him, and all the get out of jail free cards are what allowed this to happen. He had been doing things for years and years, it was only a matter of time before it reached this point because he wasn't being punished for all of the crimes he was doing. In fact, he was being given some of the purest LSD to ever exist, for free. Massive amounts that you couldn't believe. I mean a single gram makes 100k REGULAR doses of LSD. In powder form that's like spilling a little salt, yet if a single human consumed it WHO KNOWS what would happen to them. It doesn't just kill you in massive doses, actually I don't know of too many overdoses from LSD. Maybe heart attacks and strokes, etc.
My point being, without the authourities doing their "jobs", and him being given every upperhanded situation ever. I mean he was a terrible criminal, why was he not in prision LONG before this happened? Because they wanted him in "normal" society to see the effects and how he acted with other humans.
They got their answer.
Spot on. I only knew Charlie as a diabolical maniac, who's only existence are known for being a carrier criminal, never know he was such a good musician who once get along and even collaborate a band like beach boys.
Great documentary. I remember the year 1969. My sister graduated and my brother got drafted. How time flies. Thanks for sharing.
Ah, the days of taxation w/o representation ... I was only graduating from middle school. Our family recently moved from Mendocino County California to Clackamas county, Oregon.
Where another Charley prowled... and a classmate's name is later listed as a possible victim of Ted Bundy in a bookby ann rule - the stranger beside me.
The good old days.... we did get the voting age lowered to 18 in that time period, so some of the young men drafted for service got to vote before they got sent to kill for US and we had bodily autonomy (at least in theory) for a time w/ Roe v Wade. The good old days. . . weren't always.
Really fascinating stuff. I found the musical background stuff especially interesting. Definitely a different angle than most of the documentaries have done.
Thank you very much for uploading!!👏🏻
No problem 😊
great documentary... and one thing I never considered is the impact that all this story had on Dennis Wilson, who was just an innocent witness of all this madness
Very sad end. I think he felt guilty for having taken the creation of Manson toi the Beach Boys, who had a chance to produce it-- but it still was Manson's creation and he should have been given more for it.
As the story reaches the summer and fall of 1969, Lake’s recollections are conspicuously absent from the film. 🎥
It shook Dennis Wilson to the core of his being. He never spoke of Charles Manson or the Manson Family again in public.
Really enjoyed this. Very well done. Thanks for sharing!
Very good documentary. I've seen them all and this one really spent time on the details of his attempted music career. A lot of it I knew already but a good bit of information I didn't know.
It proved that Terry Melcher perjured himself in the trials claiming he only met Charles Manson twice.
Best documentary I've seen. it explains a lot about what really was going on behind the scenes.
I grew up down the hill from Spahn Ranch in Chatsworth in the late 60s early 70s. As a young kid hiking up in Chatsworth Park I never understood why older kids would say be careful or else Charlie will get you. Years later as I got older I understood why!!
The boogieman!
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weow
You aren't Steve Wolf perchance; former DM at Maryatt Industries?
No shit, that's actually a little horrifying.
What an amazing piece of work. Bravo
I absolutely love the baby picture they show of Charles. Just the most nuts looking baby pic you could ever imagine lol
Totally agree and as Jeff Guinn says in interviews and in his book on Manson which I highly recommend a must read! Manson was a problem as a child . He did have a no so great relationship with his mom but he had loving family that helped and even then he was always causing trouble and problems. He was passed around but it was Charlie who was the bad egg . He always caused trouble and always blames someone else never him and he was manipulative . He was a psychopath and Psychotic. Read the Guinn book and you will understand
@@mr.sherlockholmes6130 You really need to watch the interview of his cousin where he was sent to live with for a while as a child, your fiction is further from the truth than could possibly ever be.
I like that description of the Beach Boy's music "a brochure of a lifestyle" I think the same can be said about Jimmy Buffett and Florida.
I have and you are correct.
The Beach boys were the first concert I ever saw early 1980s.
Kennedy Stadium Central High School Bridgeport Connecticut.
Thank you for documentation..
It's good to see the story from a different prospective. I enjoyed this very much.
it's sorta from a different perspective but layered with the myth of Helter Skelter
@Juxtaposition Stories huh?
@Juxtaposition Stories adult whom, plus you make so sense at all, to you I bid adieu.
Very different. Removed from reality.
Wonderful documentary 👏👏👏
As The Manson Family fades into history for greater killings, all has been said, speculated and done. He had a great run but the followers of this story are passing away and in 10 years will be a mere footnote in history.
RIP me and you. god bless.
Leslie Van Houten has been released , so justice has not been served .
....Aaaaaand????
@@jayjay-w2v i respect you answer but Leslie is still a convicted murderer and she originally got the death penalty. So that being said she and the rest of them should have never be allowed to have a parole hearing. Sharon Tate and her unborn son Cry from their grave for justice.
😂😂😂😂 they been talking bout murderers for hundreds of years hunter Holmes being one of them and still is talked bout to this day and hate to break it to you but in the true crime realm Manson is on the Mount Rushmore for true crime as long as their is violence/true crime In this world Manson will always be talked about
Great documentary but I hated that they muted out some music for some reason.
Agreed. I thought it was an issue with my audio until I came to the comments
I didnt mind, because after i heard the first couple.....man were they horrible
Automatically Muted for Copyright Issues (with certain songs). As this is a documentary, they should've got this taken care of but it's not a very easy process from what I hear.
Trademark infringement bud.
@@waden404horrible??? Cmon man seriously? I think his music was actually pretty damn good.
I remember this! I had just graduated from high school in June 1969. I lived in Orange county, Ca. This was so shocking. 🤔, I am stunned that they recently let one of the murders out of prison. They all received the death penalty but Calif overturned death penalties. They should have gotten life without parole!
EXACTLY. How a person goes from death penalty to walking the streets really can only happen in California.
Itdoesnt just happen in California @WilliamSmith-ex9et
@@b.w.5003it was California and Newsom who let out van Houten.
They let out probably the least “worse” of the bunch (Van Houten already stabbed the victims when they were already dead).
The worse (Atkins, Watson, Krenwinkel, Mansion) will never leave prison or already passed (Atkins and Mansion).
@@Bloopergrandson1 none of them should have gotten out
Most pull back focus I’ve seen yet. Very well done.
If only RUclips existed back then. He could have become famous through his own channel. Instead, he was blocked by the criminal organization that has a monopoly on the entertainment industry.
Yeah, then he could have joined the legions of other grifters and groomers online. He wasn’t blocked. He just wasn’t sufficiently talented to warrant the investment. Fame isn’t a human right, and failing to become a successful recording artist is not an excuse to r*pe at least one underage girl, murder and incite to murder, and exploit a cult inspired by your own grandiose fantasies.
You’re right about RUclips because it allows people to bypass gatekeepers.
As far as the rest is concerned…
It’s not a “criminal organization.” It’s definitely a business based on predatory exploitation, extremely lopsided contractual legal obligations and it’s all driven by an amazing level of avarice. Just because something is demonstrably unfair that doesn’t mean that it’s a criminal organization.
Nor was Charlie Manson blocked by the music industry.
Terry Melcher didn’t want to deal with Manson’s behavior. Dennis Wilson and his people didn’t want to deal with Manson’s behavior. Charlie’s roadblock was Charlie.
Back then there were so many record companies so it wasn’t a matter of a monopoly, either. There wasn’t a single entity that controlled all of the record companies that conspired to block Manson out of anything - that would’ve been a monopoly.
In almost every endeavor in life, Charlie Manson was Charlie Manson’s worst enemy.
That’s really a shame because when I listen to some of his songs, I hear some solid musical talent.
Especially when you listen to “Look At Your Game Girl” and “Sick City,” both of those could’ve easily been Top Ten Hits in the late 1960s into the early 1970s.
Charlie was a career criminal way before he ever wound up in California, so to say it was all about his music dreams disintegrating isn't quite true.
Those murders probably wouldn't have happened if his connections to Terry Melcher and Brian Wilson had led to a music career. But yes, he had spent more years in jail than out when he was released and moved to California. In fact he had told them not to let him out, that he could not function in society.
That’s like saying, “if Hitler were allowed into art school he wouldn’t have caused the holocaust”
…and flat-out, his music sucked. Perhaps if he had talent, he wouldn’t have caused a murder spree? F&@$ that guy AND his failed dreams.
@@lesleyboulant4053 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Brilliant
@@iolitelight I don’t think Charlie ever had a stable life and given his record he done petty crimes constantly and was always doing things to ruin himself, The same would apply even if he did become a musician he would of self destructed once again
This is one of the best documentaries I've ever seen on the Manson Family. It makes Once Upon a Time in Holywood look like a joke. The joke was how many questions were left unanswered for people who didn't grow up in Holywood or even California.
Well its important to keep in mind that Tarantino’s film wasn’t meant to be a documentary or bio pic about the Manson Family. It wasn’t even meant to be the core focus. It was somewhat of a subplot that was meant to be interwoven into the main plot of Rick and Cliff and the changing landscape of Hollywood at the time, with the added feature of a plot twist with a wish fulfillment for an alternate ending to a real life historical event. You didn’t have to grow up in California to be familiar with the Manson stuff. It was an international media story. But younger viewers would be less apt to be aware of it. Possibly Tarantino assumes those who are interested
would seek out the history which is all over the internet and countless books and other movies and tv shows.
@@EastSide-qc5oy I’m not old enough to be aware of Manson as anyone who professed to being a neo Nazi by carving it into his head in prison.
What this documentary does well is normalises how Manson got to that point through mental defect and how if he were treated more kindly by the music industry (where he eventually lost the plot) he could have been a different person.
There are three types in terms of policing this out… “mad, bad and sad.”
Charles Manson didn’t start out as mad. He’s a case where the system took a sad person chewed them out (in this case in the Hollywood machine) and made him mad (insane).
I don’t think after watching this documentary that anyone could say Manson was a mad man from the beginning… maybe a little eccentric and a tiny bit utopian but not a mad man. It took the machine to make Manson truely mad.
I think we created the Manson family and with all created madness (in the nurturing department) society is at least a little responsible for the result.
I'm not romanticising what he became (probably from one to many LSD trips actually). I think behind every villain there is a story.
I feel sad for the facts that no one intervened or showed him enough love. He clearly found a passion in prison the first few times with music. If you listen to the whole song he wrote that is featured in this movie:
"Look at ya game girl" (it's on Spotify)
There is something raw there (he crosses over boundaries, into the areas of Bob Dylan, mixed with Frank Sinatra, and The Eagles, off the top of my head) I come from a musical family.
He has a talent for music that could have saved his life. Instead as per usual. The producers in Holywood made fun of him and he lashed out in the only way he knew how, by picking public figures and getting his cult family to kill them.
That in itself is a sad story of degenerate madness... Charles Manson had a rare kind of "mystique" about him and he ruined it in his madness... If we dug around in the closets of any rock star at the time including the most softly of spoken Eric Clapton there is a little Charles Manson in him also. At this time Clapton would have been knocking shoulders with Jimmy Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, and Jimmy Page. That's how easy it is. Eric Clapton would have been shooting up copious amounts of drugs with his band members from Cream. That's what the song "Sunshine of your life" is actually about... the acid houses, acid rock, which eventually would lead to an entire genre called "acid house."
I'm not apologising, I'm just stating what the music industry, and stardom continues to do to people. I can see exactly why growing up in a musical family in Australia with my dad who has played with everyone from the whose who, including Billy Joel and the Aztecs of Australian notoriety, met the guitarist from Cold Chisel and so on, exactly how this madness develops.
I know many people like this... unfortunately it's usually the ones the machine spits out, and where they can't handle the pain of being a "reject."
If I dig deeply enough I am three steps away from introducing you to everyone in Hollywood like Manson. Through Richard Norton, I could probably get you an introduction through Richard Norton (Mad Max Fury Road) to Chuck Norris. But I don't need to.... I have my own ways and I am now interested in sociology not rehashing the 1960s or the 1970s when it comes to music. My dad was a security guard, a sessions artist (played backing guitar with some of the best), and knew of how to get me introduced to practically anyone. But I don't live in the lime light of that old news.
My family could introduce me to the entirety of the music industry because Richard Norton who trained as a security guard in Australia was bodyguard to Linda Rondstat and at one point Abba also, that's how Richard Norton got his name in Holywood. The thing is... He had enough talent as a stunt man alongside Jackie Chan, and Chuck Norris to cut out some what of a name for himself to make money... If you go down to the main strip of Holywood all of these people bump shoulders with each other all the time. To me it's almost on the level of the incestuous cesspit that is the British Royal Family (Hollywood that is), I don't want to go there... I just want to understand why.
I've seen people like Manson thousands of times before in the industry. It just makes me sad that the machine chews out people with some kind of talent... again and again and again... I KNOW personally many talented "Manson's" who blew their own head off (metaphorically) with drugs. It's unfortunate that's what stardom and it's attraction does in the face of "the machine."
Where this story ends is where new sounds people like Eric Clapton and Cream were creating... "where the sun never shines" in the white (injecting room). "Such a sad time at the station." Where these people's lives eventually fell apart trying to be another Manson... The white lights and black lights near the station, tired starlings, met together to shoot up drugs, take acid tabs, and try to be famous.
"No strings attached right?"
Cream - White Room.
Tarantino makes entertainment movies
I really wish that they would have made it very clear that 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' was a work of fiction.
Edit: I suppose enough time has passed to call 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' a historical fiction.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was not meant to be a documentary. It was fiction based on real events.
Every so often someone takes this story off the shelf, shines it up with brand new bs and puts it back out there for us to enjoy.
Good perspective
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Yup!, all a person needs to do is listen to the interview of the people convicted of the murders to get the non BS truth about what really happened, it's mostly here on RUclips.
@@davidgolden1776 CIA Poppycock is the Manson cover-up of a NATO Military bayonet attack. My Lai in Benedict Canyon on a Hollywood CIA porn set.
Very fascinating documentary.
Really good at explaining and connecting the dots of this madman....nice job
Thankyou. Very interesting.
He was like, “Record my songs, or I’ll cut
The alleged 'A&R' guy was US Intelligence. You'd be surprised how much of what you thought was authentic artistic entertainment was social grooming by total frauds.
My ex-husband's step dad (hells angel) was friends with Manson. He always referred to him as "Charming Charlie"
Manson was a sick demon
This was such a fascinating documentary thanks for sharing
Check out the vid Charles Manson Superstar. That is even more interesting.
Sharon Tate was a female rising 26 year old Hollywood star who was well known for her beauty. she is of English, Swiss, and French descent. She could be described by her friends and family as a gentle-hearted woman with her outside beauty equally matching her inside.
No kidding.lol only every single documentary about her says exact same thing..
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Very well produced and accurate. I was sleeping in my VW van in Topanga Canyon the night of the Tate murders. My parents had just kicked me out of the house for smoking weed. I was 18 and looking for a place to rent. Man was that a shocker.
YOU ARE A LIAR, THAT INVESTIGATION WENT NOWHERE FOR MONTHS
Kicked out for smoking weed? Sheesh sounds like your parents were overly strict.
@@MeeMee-gz5vp A different era.
I believe you,and you're story and I'm happy for you that you didn't get mixed up with that family of Killers
@@MeeMee-gz5vp do you kids REALLY think nothing happened before you were born
That things have always been as fucked up as they are now. I m GLAD to be going to die BEFORE there s no more food or clean water
Dope doc🗽💯
This is a great, honest look at the murders. To fully understand WHY the Tate- LaBianca murders happened you must look at Bobby Beausoleil and the Hinman murder.
Phil Kaufman was the guy who stole Gram Parsons and cremated him in the desert. He went on to manage Emmylou Harris.
Bobby Beausoleil took over the soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's "Lucifer Rising" when Jimmy Page got too whacked on heroin to complete the job.
Manson and a couple of his cohorts tried to crash Frank Zappa's house, and he ran them off.
Neil Young praised Charlie's music until the murders.
Quite a curious little circle of characters.
The Army's movie and media complex was located in Laurel Canyon, They had production facilities for movies, television, music and anything else you could want. It was used to make training films and other media during WW2.
Right smack in the middle of the counterculture revolution.
Maybe this is why the entire Laurel Canyon crowd of musicians were sons & daughters of Army officers, Navy officers, CIA agents, Atomic Energy Commission officials & FBI members.
@@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul There's no doubt in my mind about that. Learning all this stuff was a hard pill to swallow. You find out that all these people whose music you love, and admire are the exact same thing that they're singing against. When the golden idols start to get a little tarnished, that's when you begin to understand why the Good Book forbids idolatry. Idols will let you down every time.
Manson actually said one thing that I thought made some sense. Geraldo Rivera was interviewing him and he asked "What's it like to be crazy, Charlie"?
Manson's reply was profound. He said:
"It ain't what it used to be. Crazy used to mean somethin' but now, everybody's crazy. Hell, it's become just another normal condition!"
Even a clock that's broken is right twice a day.
Thanks for sharing that information
Charlie was a hack guitar player that knew 3 chords, his voice was decent. Melcher and others tried to steer him into saleable material but Charlie would not listen. Like most cons he thought he was smarter than the professionals. He brought women in who chanted, played tambourines, bells ect out of time. If he had real musicians doing the music he may have gotten a contract which did not take much in the 60s. Charlie always was his own worst enemy, usually by what came out of his mouth.
I have a CD of Charlies Music. He had SOME game, but yeah, he needed a producer.
3 chores invented punk. Had Charlie waited a decade, he could've made a decent living. He would've been a little old to start, but I can see Johnny Rotten working with him. He was institutionalized. He couldn't go a decade without committing a crime.
I guess you would know. You say a lot of stupid shit.
Disagree here, without expertise. I heard him play diminished and augmented chords, and came by them in a way that links harmonically to the post war period jazz/pop like Woody Hermann and Bing Crosby. I suspect the girls narrowed his harmonic scope, and he abandoned previous structures. I'm gleaning from multiple documentaries and books that Charles Manson had written publishable music, lyrics and accompaniment in the late 50s/early 60s.
Pfft
Charlie had a surprisingly good voice. I would never have guessed
Ironically, his music was actually kind of beautiful 🤷🏼🤷🏼
He had talent. I liked one of his songs Look at Your Game Girl.
@@mardrettekemp7182 Hell ya! Look at your game, girl and home is where you're happy. Those 2 are my favorite
@@mardrettekemp7182 that isnt him singing it on the uploads now
Yeah when George walked outta 69 sessions, Fabs shoulda got Chuck to come in and replace him
I remember hearing a story about him spitting on a guard and the guard opened his cell and worked him over with a billy club, the guard said he never spit on him again and acted really nice towards him LMFAO
That's because they were both criminals. I wish Charlie had gotten out and visited the man's family.
I live in New Haven Connecticut and there used to be a record store called Rhyme's records and I remember when I was in my late teens in the late eighties going into that store and seeing a Manson album for sale who knows if it was a bootleg or an original or what have you but it was there and maybe I should have bought it for a collector's item.
CDs are readily available.
I owned the same album. It was given to me. God 🤣 knows what happened to it
Record companies just trying to exploit the murders and fame of the weird ass cultists from 60s, it was a novelty recording
Absolutely f'n fascinating.
I was born in 1967 and grew up with this whole thing and Im here to tell you no one I know I grew up with automatically associates Dennis Wilson with Manson it was very unfortunate that they met
But I still revere and love the Beach Boys !!! !!!
They got busted in 1969, you 2 years old.
Very informative... Well done!
Great video.
When you think you Saw it all and know it all, there Will always be a new book, video or movie, details, theories, members speaking etc. There Will never be a Final word about the family and what happend...
Right
Your reply alone proved the point.
Wow. Thanks for telling this story. I've wondered what happened. I just didn't tie the cultural changes to the Manson murders.
Absolutely Brilliant
After watching Charles Mason interviews .
He slips up often in his own defence
In many interviews and shows all,
And is lucky he did not take the stand.
So overlaying this will give any mind the insight of this Guy
The times of his past
His association's
Then the 60's and all his moves, and thinking
nails it all.
It's absolutely brilliant. 🎯
This production 🎯
Had the sixtys not happen, Charlie
Would had ended back in the can again
He was born to, jail hop
The free sex, music, free living as the 60's unfolded.
He exploited a timeloop hole
With his lifetime jail skills and need to survive 🎯
You’re correct I don’t buy the conspiracy theories
I almost skipped this thinking it would just be the same old stuff over and over but this has lots of new information for me! And I thought I’ve heard it all.
@William Smith Lots of New Information ?? Like What ??
@@Hanzey1966 like I didn’t know, Manson was trying to put a group together and they actually played a gig with the one guitarist.
I think it is a new perspective dove deeper into the music aspect. I've never seen a lot of these interviews from those who were there
@@tommoyer4697 yes it delves much deeper into the Dennis Wilson aspect on a rewatch I’m noticing that.
I take it there are copyright issues with playing back a few of these music clips?
I'm curious, how do they know so much details about even what song choice he had as a kid when he was playing? It's really strange...
Because its fabricated- Biggest public frame up I'm aware of. Look up Tom O'Neill.
@14:34 a face of an Angel. those eyes and that smile symbolizes humanity as a whole.
The kid never really had a fair shot either
He was the most scary man on earth I followed his story I grew up when all this happened scared alotta people then my prayers still go out to all the victims families
Sociopaths are all scary. They're master manipulators and every cult leader and totalitarian dictator is either a narcissist or sociopath. They can screw up one person in a relationship or at work or screw up a whole country, like Putin is doing now. Narcissist and sociopaths are 10% of the population. I was married to a covert narcissist and it took its toll on me.
Amazing use of run-on sentences. I also guarantee you dont know even half of what this guy was involved in
@@Dom_721 Amazing use of apostrophes and periods.🤣
There are farrrrrr scarier men than him! Throughout history??! Omg. Even Jeffrey Dahmer can easily take that podium! I think Charles was a disturbed/broken man... That low quality of life, the drugs, the mindset,.... I've seen manyyyyy people get lost in life due to LSD for example. Their brains fry and basically they turn into monkeys. It was just bad decision after bad decision... I dabbled in that Hippie lifestyle and omg... If you take too much LSD... Your brain (and life) is going bye bye for sure. And if you add the parties, the raves,... That just piles up and boosts to the disaster that's going to happen. And yeah, when people reach that point... There isn't much they can do except crime, violence and all that stuff. Charles was deep deep in it. It actually seemed that Charles was trying to get out of that path... Doing music and all the things, he was moving! But he should've cut drastically that drug part. Sadly he didn't know better... As many other people to this day actually!
He was scary because he was a genius on the bad side of life.
well done documentary Bravo
Why was "look at your game girl" muted out and other songs weren't? 45:23
Removed because renewed copyright likely
It's a hame this documentary doesn't mention Terry Melchers visit to the ranch post-Tate murders.
That is not proven. It was written about in one guy's book. No one has ever corraborated that info.
Why was some of the music muted tho? Copy right issues ?
They say Charlie was "the most dangerous killer in America." He was no one special, he wasn't any worse than any other killer from that era. Charles Manson really never killed anyone by his own hands but he did convince others to kill. He was only considered "the most dangerous man in America" because he killed a famous actress. If he didn't kill Sharon Tate we probably wouldn't even know who he is today.
She wasn't that famous at the time.
@@wanderer299a no not really, I agree. But her husband was and I guarantee she was more famous then you and I would ever be. She was way above the average man and the media can make money off of that, in fact, they think "the more famous the better." And "she's as good as they can get" at the time.
He did kill himself, maybe not the people he was tried for but he was a killer
He didn't kill Sharon Tate
Thanks for your participation in taking blame away from Tex Watson.
So so sad😢😢😢😢
People that say he was just evil, or just it for revenge, or just a killer... I'm sorry but there's so much more to it that I honestly can & can't understand. I think the part I can't is what draws me back to it
That's what Master manipulators do, basically he was trolling the establishment because of how they treated him as a youth, and early adult. He spent more time in jail than free
He was an alleged member of the Process Church. Which was an offshoot of the Church of scientology. Research the process church and align the doctrine with his philosophy. The parallels are crazy. He was under some sort of mind control. Just my opinion
He was secretly Roman Polanski's power bottom sidepiece. He grew more jealous of Sharon and exacted his revenge. It's nothing but a jilted lover story of revenge.
@@shable1436he deserved any year of that
This was a great documentary, but I can't understand why when clips of his song's were played there was no audio. The sound went off on every audio clip that was played. Why?
Copyright
Had no idea this was the real story WHY it happened. Thx
Tex got word a drug shipment was being delivered to the Tate house from his mobbed up old pot suppliers at the vending machine company and he was going to steal the drugs, money or both so Charlie could get Bobby out of jail for the Hinman murder. Charlie was paranoid Bobby would rat him out.
@@thebangkokconnection4080 amazing insigth, never knew these connections, thx
29:13 what song is playing in the background?
In August 1968 , ELVIS performs his comeback special on the NBC which really puts him back on the map . No bloody mention of that , just saying.
Elvis was a junkie a pedo and stole his whole gimmick from a certain blues player… gtfoh😂😂😂😂
You always bring the best everytime..
Thanks for the upload, D.C..💖
*every time
You have really nice...eyes!
Why are the songs muted out?
If you understand the trash cans in the alley, you understand Hollywood - Charles Manson
What does that mean? More of Manson's bullsh-t.
@@John-tj4up no, you have tons to learn from your privileged position about homeless people.
Great doc mixing it up. Are there any docs about Manson linked to mk ultra?
Charlie had a very good singing voice. Just need some songs to fit him and arranged by professionals . He was very handsome back in the day
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Look at your game girl IS a very good song. Gnr did a cover of it. I think Charlie had a good voice and he wrote good lyrics but his guitar playing sucked. But yeah i think he couldve made it as a famous musician.but then again we are all lucky that he wasnt more famous coz then his cult wouldve been wayyyyy bigger and they couldve killed more people.
Excellent honest documentary. Thank you. I was 15 when the massacres happened. At that young age I hated what Manson represented. Watching your and other documentaries over the last two days this self proclaimed guru/Jesus was just a criminal who thinks so highly of himself and continued to do so even from prison. There should have been a ban on all interviews. That would have hurt really his ego and maybe he would have died earlier from the disinterest. His "reign" was only about 2 years.
Love how they try to redeem his grotesque character at the end. This is where "peace and love" gets you.
*@Miss Scarlet* "try to redeem"...??......You forgot to put that in between brackets too ?
DNA PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN AN ENVIRONMENT. HEALTH MATTERS TOO, RAISE HEALTHY CHILDREN!
Then write something witchy, just like Charlie said😘😘😘
He was obviously a psychopath....with the satanists at his ranch....I'm sure he was demonic in the end. Funny...no one mentions that. It had NOTHING to do with the hippie movement....quite the opposite! These types of people prey on the innocent!!
The Untold Story Of Charles Manson ?? UNTOLD ?? Man I heard & Read this all a Million Times over . . .
That pic of a young Ernest Knapp looks so much like Heath Ledger, he could be his father...
Thanks for the video, it became possible only because of the leads discovered and investigated by Tom O''Neill in his 2019 book 'Chaos. Charlie Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties'.
The generation which brought you Charles Manson now walks the halls of our government.
And they've managed to poison the minds of a couple more generations.
You sound like Sandra good....
…and we’re your teachers, clergy, artists, writers and celebrities!😅
@DankBeans you’re an age bigot. And, we’re living longer than ever while your generation keeps finding new drugs to kill yourselves with! 🥱😊
....and they've destroyed American society
Music? Yea right 👍.... them girl need a head check permanently 😂 LMAO
Now we see or hear of crimes like this everyday..but back then, this was BIG NEWS..
Yèh ....."God's Own Country" two allowed political parties , both dancing to the pipes of the Pentagon , built on genocide of its original inhabitants , endless imperialist wars, propping up military regimes , serial killers galore.......Seems karma is about to present its ultimate bill. Dragging the rest of the world down with it.
Im with you 💯 on your sentiment.
However that loop would not be that hard to remember LIKE AT ALL, if he was someone that is like your dad and this is nor al for him to do, as he had 3 ish months there.
I honestly think anyone or a lit of people would know that horse shoe route just being there for a little bit.
Because when you move to a new place you go explore it a bit, even and often especially post COVID.
And im from the PNW and knownthe area.
When your in Pullman, after driving around there for 20 minutes you would head to Moscow ID drive around there for 20 minutes and then you would want to go a different way back to Pullman where you live so you would go south and then take the exact route he took as the main most obvious one if you didnt want to go to crazy far and were just driving the main loop heading south and wanting to get back to Pullman. Yes I know there are a few ways to do a shorter loop. But its just the main way I woukd go if I was new to Pullman and wanted to go out for a drive.
I knew a guy like him. Dangerous but cool most of the time. Turned into a nightmare when he took even one sip of whiskey or did drugs.
That's literally most of us....
@@kevinnix5495 BULLS***, KEVIN. Most of us aren’t raging f***ing lunatics, broseph.
=Johnny Depp but the ignorant jury couldn't comprehend the reality of the scary effects of mixing drugs and alcohol.
@BAN EVERYTHING! How was his sexual prowess? Manson was said to lay that thang!
My brother was much like him. It became terrifying by the end of his life. I lived 48 years of hell with him. I hear some of the words and thoughts of Charlie, I hear my brother. Some people are just born different.They are highly intelligent, but use it for wrong. I watch these documentaries and compare the two. It's terrifying.
Good Morning Spike Wilner..Thanks NYPD
I like his music and singing voice, and I think he said some insightful things about this country's inhumanity. Unfortunately, he was a misogynist, racist, wouldn't live a crime-free life, and believed people were free to commit murder.
Charlie wasn't so different than any other homosapiens. It's a very, very fine line. Society and its humanity is a thin veneer. Trust that.
@@jamesdeangelo8166 he was different there hasn’t been another him since he died & hopefully there will never be. Maybe you need to get yourself some help? You’re profile photo speaks volumes about you!
Ya think?
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door Unlike you, Charlie was NO PRETENDER.
@@jamesdeangelo8166 wca
They got a lot of this wrong but I do appreciate some of the videos and some of the pictures and a few things they got right.
Biggest conspiracy, and im not a conspiracy theorist person, but this is more than what we were told. Totally worth the research
Be a conspiracy analyst.
Tom O'Neill DID A very WELL researched book were he was able to get hold of a bunch of the declassified CIA files from MK-Ultras operation kaios and was able to PROVE that mansion was involved in the CIA and mk ultras mind control program which is also why mansion was able to stay out of jail after his last stint in and would always get released after he was in the program. He was taught how to control people like he did. and one really stunning thing Tom O'Neill was able to also find was a guy who was a CIA informant that was keeping an eye on the Manson family and hanging at the ranch who know about the state murder plot but had to stay silent and let it play out so he would not blow his cover as a CIA agent. The cia wanted Manson to get people to go on a murder spree so they could end the hippy and anti-war movement and it sure worked cause the Manson killings painted a bad picture to the public about all the "peace-loving hippies after the trials... if anyone is interested at all about the truth Tom O'Neill lays put a very well done case about all that was going on in the 60s "Tom O'Neill CHAOS: The Charles Manson, The CIA & The 60s" --->>> ruclips.net/video/WkTO3E89RHE/видео.html
If you dip toe in, might as well jump head first, because you're going to experience a bunch of nuts, but also legit rabbit holes, some you don't want to go down.
No, I'm sorry but you're mistaken no conspiracies. Charles was filled with a lifetime of pain, anger, loneliness growing up, abandonment and resentment all bottled up inside. He had the worst beginnings in life and endured extreme abuse both sexual and physical and he had to suffer this alone. His social skills were not as good as some might think but he was good at speaking due to all the books he read while in prison. He had a very short fuse and a deep need to be relevant as he felt he was unlovable due to his mother's abandonment of him. He didn't know how to resolve conflict because he was never shown and he didn't know how to handle anything negative . His reaction to anything that didn't go his way was to explode and not know how to channel his emotions. Things that most people can rationalize sent him over the top. It's no surprise he did the things he did growing up nor is it suprising he had such a deep anger/hate inside but he chose to fuel that anger and he chose to try and bring as many as he could into his world because he didn't want to be alone and he wanted to make sure it was known how much he had suffered unfairly and he also wanted others to feel pain as he did. No doubt he wasnt given a fair start in life but he still chose to do the things he did. He had no sympathy, empathy, or concern for anyone as he didn't know how and therefore he felt nothing for anything.. The story is tragic all the way around from beginning to end. He chose to facilitate and the others chose to follow. RIP victims.
Awesome 😎 thanks brother!!🙏
29:36 Guy's got the dope ass moves!
Crafty, charismatic preacher......yup...same description as Jim Jones......and we all know who THAT was....
Same as Leary - on the payroll. They were all on some kind of spook shit chemical weapons program first run out of Mkultra thru the universities and prisons in the 1950s.
Then they rolled it out in San Francisco in the 1960s. Strange, but true. Ted Kaczinski aka "Unabomber" incidentally was another participant (or victim).
@@tedpeterson1156 Yeah...I did in fact hear that about Ted K. A bit scary when you think about it. I"m going to assume, all this is a bit off base, that you have seen the original "Manchurian Candidate" with Sinatra ...correct?
Ya pure EVIL
He makes terrible kool aid
Sounds like IQ45. And his orange minions
Insightful and FACTUAL docu. VERY GOOD results..
Need to fix the sound...
Why can't you play the "look at your game girl" song????? I thought my phone speaker went out...
Edit: and Clang Bang Clang towards the end
If Charles was so spiritual, he would known that if he wasn’t attached to the outcome of getting a recording contract, he most likely would have behaved in such a way that he would have gotten that contract.
They never address in here there were some links between Manson and the CIA behavioral drug experiments.
They never did it with blks n other races either. Why would they do tht when, they suppose to be the bad guys?
M k ultra
and the abject you tube copyright bs in the middle of the video.
Manson wasn’t anything more than a Ohio born pimp with a pretty singing voice😂
"Pretty singing voice"? What happened to you?
@@John-tj4up not what your trying to insinuate. Just because something may have happened to you don’t mean it goes for everyone else, stop mirroring
@@48141ATAMI mirroring? WTF are you talking about you assh-le? Keep your silly jargon to yourself.
@@48141ATAMI@Bully -- I'm not insinuating. I'm telling you, pantywaist.
Wheres the sound??
Excellent Documentary !! 👍👍
As far as isolating people for whatever kind of business, this trick is also done by people who are a branch of the law, and not always for the most sincere or greatest purposes!
The Manson we know as the “Messianic manipulator” was created by LSD experimentation / sensory deprivation while incarcerated at McNeil Island penitentiary according to his cellmate there. It was before Manson ever got to San Francisco and the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic. This cellmate, who became a prominent prison reform advocate, wrote an article in 1972 about an MK-Ultra style program in the Federal prison system where “original personalities were annihilated and new artificial personalities were created.”
You wouldn't know or remember this guys name would you, I would like to research this. Thanks in advance.
Is it Phil Phillips by chance.?
@@albertawheat6832 Joe Biden
@@royharper2003 Okay....sure,
Beginning to believe "Charles Manson & The Family' was a CIA operation. But what was the purpose? To smear the Hippy peace love & spirituality thing. Make communes look evil and dangerous. Hippes = dangerous anti socials. End the 60s?
I feel like a herded sheep sometimes
29:20 in this what song is playing?
Songwriters don't necessarily have to perform their tunes to become successful. At that time Robert Hunter wrote a bunch for the Grateful Dead, and probably did more drugs than Charlie. Jimmy Webb wrote for Glenn Campbell, etc. If he could have got published that might have worked for him. But he was a total nutbar, even by LA standards. He thought they should have signed him on the spot, and it doesn't work that way. It can take months for a record deal. Personally I don't think he was too good, but there were plenty of shitty bands making records.
Robert Hunter was a lyricist, not a song writer. Manson was a below average singer, musician, and songwriter, so he never would have made it in the business. He couldn’t have been just a songwriter because his lyrics were abysmal and his songs were mostly atrocities. He had very little musical talent.
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Well there's no accounting for taste, as the saying goes. He had several opportunities to record and was recommended by a few heavyweights in the biz. The problem was, he was described as "unproduceable".
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Sounds like he had all the qualities it takes to be a stellar success in the music business today, he just missed the right time for below average singers, musicians and songwriters...he should have waited 20 more years.
@@chipmusick682 False. It’s even harder to make it in the music business now, even though the music is far worse. He would have had even less of a chance now because the scene is so over saturated with people.
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Thank you for your 2 cents worth...your change is in the mail!
His song "Close to me" sounds an bit like a copy from another song, "Always on my mind" by Elvis
It was Music and Drugs that fueled this insanity!!
RIP all victims!! ❤️
Welp when British band put backmasking on songs, lunatics will hear phrases and such, a dangerous game
Kind of like the bloody, hip hop scene starting in the mid 1990s and continuing to the present day.