I was expecting another run of the mill Manson doc. Pleasantly surprised at how well produced this is, and the number and quality of insightful interviews from people who were there.
This documentary sucks ass. Watch Helter Skelter and American Myth. It's definitely much more in depth and skips all the bullshit like Manson was raised in Cincinnati and didn't know his dad. That's bullshit. He was raised in Macon in Appalachia
Terry Melcher lied on the stand for the prosecution. He lied about not seeing CM for a month before the murders when in fact he was hanging at Spaun with them 3 weeks later.
I was lucky enough to play music with friends for over thirty years. We were a bar band that never made much money or sold records. It was the best times of my life.
@@SwordOfTheRaven I've been in a few bands over the past 45 years. And I can tell you that there is nothing wrong with playing by yourself. Music is powerful and I enjoy playing alone. To me, it's therapeutic.
@@homer5802 I agree with you but I really would like to develop faster and I feel like on my own I can only develop so much, I'm really a fine art painter click my icon I painted that, but music has always been important to me so over the last 3 years I decided to focus on it but it's just slow going and I need to play more Instruments it would just be faster with a partner
One of the Best documentary's Ive seen on Manson 👍, its focused more on the musical aspect than just on the murders themselves. Very Well Done and insightful!!!
- one thing to add that was missing from the documentary was the omission of The Beatles Revolution 9, that Manson was so fascinated with upon hearing it, -in his mind the abstract messages about "Rising" was what also triggered the murders.
@@erniericardo8140 a lot of that stuff about blaming beatles tunes for triggering manson's crimes was totally made up by the prosecutor bugliosi. i'd take it with a grain of salt, after reading Chaos by Tom O'neill
@@erniericardo8140 after hearing that Charlie heard 'Hello Charlie' spoken by Lennon on Revolution 9, I'm sure I heard it on a 8track version played in my car, but haven't heard it since. Also Blue Jay Way by Harrison on Magical Mystery Tour was an influence. I believe George was staying there, which isn't a million miles from Cielo Drive.
@@wanderer299a I remember one of the Manson Girls in an interview said that before The Beatles White Album, Magical Mystery Tour record was played in heavy rotation at Spahn Ranch.
The music of the song Manson sings/plays at 37:33 is from an old Spanish love song called "Sabor a Mi". The song would have been popular at that time in Spanish-speaking cultures in California.
Doris Day had a Dream prior to the time Before Sharon Tate had moved 8nto the house .She dreamed her son was in grave danger .She told her son Terry toovevout of that house. Doris was very close to her son and her son trusted her instincts.. Terry moved thus saving his life.❤
Us Mothers do have that special sense. I kept having flashes in my sleep (dream like) of my oldest Son being in distress / hurt. / danger. I'd wake up feeling horrible and call him to make sure he was ok. A few days later he was in a horrendous car accident. Was in ICU and in hospital for 10 days w femur break through his thigh, bruised spleen, on ventilator. I just wish my dream flashes had been more specific to know what to warn him of.
That scene , the Summer of Love bit , commune considerations and actual communes , micro-communes ,,, that sort of thing , were Far more sexist , misogynistic and in general more caveman-archaic than the middle-America household and classroom young people were trying to move away from. I’d venture to say , in pockets , it was just as racially messed up as well. The way I see it (saw it) just about the entire “movement” functioned as a way for 18-40 year old white dudes to get lots of sex. And if a woman didn’t want to , she was loudly deemed frigid and uptight. EDIT: And that’s why it bugs the hell out of me when it gets romanticized .
@@romck1 Indeed, it may have been smaller, but if you see any of the Loony Tunes cartoons for instance from the 1940s, the young women were all going "Frankieeeee" when Frank Sinatra was performing.
One thing that really stuck out to me was when playing Helter Skelter you had the part where they showed the amusement park ride and it made sense that’s what it was about but then it was being played during the riots and everything going on in the streets and it had a completely different feeling to it. Just goes to show you perspective is everything, know what you are seeing and know what you are believing.
I've watched a lot of documentaries on CM over the past decade or so, and i must say...this one is very good, excellent documentary. Thank you, if i could give 2thumbs up, i would, thanks!❤
What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore- And then run? Does it stink like rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over- like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. Or does it explode? Langston Hughes
Tex killed that young boy who was just leaving the Tate house in his car after visiting his friend who lived in the rear cottage. I'd give the death penalty for that alone.
They did but that same year CALIFORNIA withdrew the death penalty. Interesting. I guess California figured they'd rather make years and years of tourism reoorters money off this. Cuz I know damn well they don't care about oreserving life out there
Very good documentary. I have seen many in my life since this since those murders about what and why and not one explained it enough to really understand. I understand this is a persons summary but the documentation is there to back it and shown.
The Manson murders were a perfect storm and created by the times, much like Star 80. I think this piece is the most accurate depiction of what motivated Charles Manson. This story is so layered and all comes down to how fame and hubris can spawn disaster when the right circumstances arise. He was created by the system, he was dissed by the system, and innocent people that the system created paid with their lives when it all came home to roost.
@@wanderer299aright? Regardless of how anybody feels about him and or the case, and I say that because there's a lot of conflicting things, ideas, and actual truth in the story of Manson. Not even going to get into all that, my opinions on this whole case. However, I will say, Charles Manson is Infamous, and practically Immortal because even in death here we are still discussing him. We've been talkin about Charles Manson, making documentaries even if it is the same regurgitated crap over and over and over, he's in newspapers, magazines, he's everywhere and we are still talking about this 50-plus years later. Yeah he had a little bit more than 15 minutes of fame
Dennis Wilson made an incredible solo album right before his death. It even outsold The Beach Boys current album at the time. But it fell out of print and out of history.
I have that album and it is not very good in my opinion. Selling it off with my record collection soon. You can still buy the album and cd at Amazon and on Distogs.
You can still get it, its been re-issued. I got it on CD and vinyl, Pacific Ocean Blue. It really is one of the best albums ever made. I also got Bambu, a whole 2nd album of material, it's all great
@@robertbarnhart7791 I don't have those records, but I do own an original first pressing of Cheech & Chong's Big Bambu, with the original clear plastic on the cover, and unused giant rolling paper.
Tex Watson led the murder parties and killed those people. He knew Dennis Wilson independently of Manson and had been to Cielo Drive many times before he'd ever met Manson. There are some interesting views here but it's a shame it omits discussing the actual killer.
When I first saw this video pop up on my computer screen, I thought it would be just another poorly done shock doc. Glad I gave it a watch, as it's well-crafted, insightful, and fascinating!
When Manson died, it was slightly sad because another reminder of the 60s was gone. The 1960s was one hell of a decade. My favorite 5 years of music is from 1965-1969.
Nothing sad whatsoever about that asshole dying. He lived way too long. It would have been better for everyone, including him, if he was never born in the first place.
Very nicely done. If they had only signed him to a contract perhaps all the madness later could have been avoided, but then again perhaps not. The madman in him ran to the very depths of his soul.
No amount of fame or fortune was going to tame this psychopath. Just like Hitler who was a "frustrated and rejected" artist. The evil was still within.
I'm sorry but Manson's music sucked. You can find better players, singers in any small towns local bar band. And even the Beach Boys were replaced by the Wrecking Crew because they couldn't cut in in the studio.
Yea and if Hitler would have only been accepted to art school...... Manson might have actually made it but for the fact that his music sucked even by hippie folk music standards. The fact that he became a murderer instead of a famous musician is actually the lesser of two evils.
@@KrystyneYnonetheless, he had a fascinating life and to me his music remains some of the best I've heard. Also, being able to control a cult to the extent he did and convince them of all the things is impressive for a 3rd grade drop out imo.
Charles Manson was diagnosed in prison with schizotypal personality disorder with underlying paranoid and narcissistic features and antisocial personality disorder …
He definitely wasn’t wired right and I Believe he was also born with fetal Alcohol Syndrome he was difficult as a small child , probably drove his mother crazier than she already was no one could handle him
The Hippies movement was already in its death throws when Manson come along. Heroin had undermined it in SF and NYC, and it was starting to become more of a "Fashion Statement" then anything else. My mom(who was pregnant with me in 70' in San Diego) said she walked into Sears and saw women of her Parents' generation buying Flower dresses and short skirts and beaded jewelry she knew it was no longer counter culture, but had been turned it into a product of industry.(or something along those lines). She did say after the Tate murders and then a few years later Kemper murders that fear was the word of the day for young women in Southern California, and everyone started locking their doors at night and during the day, and putting bars of their windows(which you can still see today on SoCal houses newly built in the early 70s..we were in Santa Cruz or Fresno at that point).
He got the idea for Look At Yr Game Girl, from Games Ppl Play, book. The dude who engineered the first session said he wouldn't do it a 2nd time, because of Mansons body odor, alone.
Amazing documentary, excellently researched. I finally see how this all came together and the sequence of events makes sense - far more than those that just dramatize the horror and it appears that the murders just popped out of nowhere. One can see the build up of disappointments and even the twisted logic of diverting attention from Charlie's connection with the drug deal gone wrong.
He had no confidence and next to no self esteem he got his kicks and power from brainwashing rebellious unattractive desperate to fit in teenage girls and the rest is history
The pros were more talented but most all got screwed in the end by the music business. No one helps anyone, Everyone just looks out for themselves... The smart ones live there whole lives in peace and happiness without going crazy, dying young or killing people. Paul McCartney is smart.
Phil Kaufman was not just some 'bit actor' he was Gram Parsons roadie and became briefly famous himself for trying to burn Gram Parsons' body in Joshua Tree National Park as he said was part of their mutual pact of whoever died first. Kaufman received a fine for this and there was a benefit concert featuring many well known alternative country musicians organized to pay off the fine. Gram Parsons was also part of the later Byrds who renamed themselves The Flying Burrito Brothers after I believe Roger McGuinn left (not totally sure about that.). Gram Parsons was influential in getting the Byrds to switch to country rock as apparently they were all tired of their folk rock sound. Apparently before Gram Parsons came along the Byrds considered switching to freeform jazz which may be satirized in the mockumentary This is Spinal Tap.
UGH! Is there any Charles Manson documentary that Jeff Guinn hasn't taken part in? It gets irritating because he has nothing new to offer and just repeats the same information on every program with a weird, beaming smirk that seems to say "Hey, and here's something you're gonna get a kick out of" look upon his face! Seems his whole career is giving interviews for shows like these.
Charlie really liked techno towards the end. You had to remove any staples from the cd booklets you brought him. I always thought that was weird, like couldn't a broken in half cd do more damage than a staple? Idk. Rot In Piss Chuckles. Thanks for the memories.
Charlie is finally free. He didn’t deserve life in prison. Read more about the events and you’ll see he was completely railroaded. He didn’t kill anyone and he didn’t order any killings
As a self-taught guitarists I've been playing for 13 years I've always loved his rhythm, it's bouncy it bounces all over the place there's no structure. Like it
Alot if it's drug influenced. The beginning was not. It was excellent and super unique. If he had e gotten to focus on being an artist he would've killed it. Some of his lyrics were soul binding I believe
I went to Berkeley to visit with my boyfriend and his visiting twin sisters (from Detroit). I came from Santa Rosa and I lived there with my boyfriend. I thought nothing of visiting the Berkeley Campus. This was in about 1972. We all walked to the cafeteria. I noticed right away that the servers gave me hard looks. I am Hispanic, but what did it matter what my ethnicity was??? The looked at me like I was a trespasser. I was stunned. They saw me my boyfriend and his white bread white sisters, one whose husband came on the trip. I now think that the school was not intergrated. I had never been exposed to this attitude in my life. A few years later, Berkeley had changed completely. America is unique, ain't it?? I miss that Berkeley, because as you probably know, it is full of homeless people most businesses have shut down. Berkeley looks gritty and alien, dark and dangerous.
Manson's mind was not unsound. He was not crazy. On the contrary, Manson was very intelligent but a victim of circumstances which made him develop survival skills to fit the times. Listen closely to what he says and you'll find sanity. Scary but true.
People can be both intelligent and crazy. I’m not saying he was full on crazy, but I do believe he likely had some significant mental health issues going on. And the drugs didn’t help.
@@EastSide-qc5oy Charles Manson wasn’t intelligent nor was he crazy. He was a sadistic, vengeful and evil control freak who wanted revenge for being rejected. He was gonna get his fifteen minutes of fame no matter what he had to do to get it.
I've listened closely. He definitely had mental health issues, clearly exacerbated by the conditions under which he was raised. Apart from the obvious and much greater tragedies -- the pointless killing and ruining of lives -- there's the tragedy of Charlie Manson's wasted musical talent. He obviously had some, and if he had been better-adjusted and more tenacious, he could have continued to develop his talents and eventually maintain a successful musical career.
Manson was that "musician" who can't play the same song twice.He was a fraud as a musician and people think he was good because of his notoriety not talent because he had no talent.
My dad's a music major graduate from UCLA and has been a professional for 50 years, he loves the music I've showed him of Manson's. He's not extraordinary, but he's not nearly as bad as you're saying. Just basic and simple, but that doesn't mean untalented.
And who the hell are you. For you to just act like your opinion says all. Sounds like maybe like Charles you believe your more important then anyone else does.
He had a pretty good voice maybe not Elvis or the Beatles but he sang pretty good some nice songs played the guitar pretty good. It's very sad that he became a cult leader and the mass murders.
I LOVED Elvis! Especially his Blues album. I never liked the Beatles at all. My sweet Lord, when George Harrison went solo, was the best thing that ever came out of one of the Beatles, IMO. I liked Charlie voice. 🤷♀️ Too bad he was whacked.
Charles Manson wasn't at the crime scene of the Tate murders as far as investigator's know. The Tate residence did have a knife and a pair of reading glasses that were found during the investigation and the victims didn't own either one. The next night Charles Manson told: Charles Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houton, and Linda Kasabian(only driver that had a valid driver's license) to get into the car and instructed Linda which house to go to. Manson then got out of the car and broke into the LaBianca's house and tied them up with leather tongs (strap's). The couple were assured by Manson they wouldn't be harmed. Once outside he told his followers to go inside the house and do what needs to be done. Manson would have been charged with: Breaking in Entry and False Imprisonment if Rosemary and Leo hadn't been killed. Did Manson go to the Tate residence to see what his followers did and was false evidence planted by him ? The answer to these questions are unknown to this day. The investigator's had a hard time finding the suspects in the senseless murders. The Investigator's had their big break after the Manson family had been arrested once again for auto theft. The first time the family was arrested was about 2 wks after the murders (August 1969) but were let go by the police because the date on the arrest warrant was wrong. The family were then taken into custody in December of 1969 again for auto theft. Susan Atkins went went bat shit crazy and told her 2 roommate's what she did and how she loved killing Sharon Tate and the rest is history.
I want to know more in depth details. Like, how did he find and acquire Barker Ranch? So, what they just drove aimlessly into Death Valley and go, "Oh look, we'll settle there." It was'nt like one could go to Home Depot down the street and get things to "fix up the place." ---AND, most important, where is that "Capt. Quaalude" t-shirt now? Sad to think that "Milk and Cookies" started it all.
I believe Barker Ranch belonged to a grandmother of one of the girls who allowed them to live there. Barker turned out badly. It was too hot in the summer & too remote to acquire food & drugs easily & to conduct trade with bikers & drug dealers that they were used to at Spahn.
i dont think Manson could sing or play or write well enough to make it in music, but i'll continue watching and possibly amend my opinion -----seems like he didnt quite have the goods to me
Ahhhh when you don't have your parents...regardless if someone I there who claims too live you...your gonna be disagreeable....parenting who It is and how it's done is crucial....Father and a Mother
Someone left the cake out in the rain. Manson comes to the studio audition with an acoustic guitar and a bunch of girls. Whereas he required an accomplished band with him to perform his tunes, of which he would have required to have had about 30 of such, with the studio producers omitting about 17 as less viable and the viable 13 tracks are re-choreographed, re-worked, studio musicians subsequently used, if necessary, until a passable set is presented to Terry Melcher. None of this was done. Neither party, the studio or Manson, did their homework on it.
Most great music comes from the “Beyond Within”. Manson was indeed an Outlaw, Felon, however he did NOT murder anyone in the Tate-Labianca case. Get that straight. Reconcile that….
Extremely good. An outstanding work. Your home is where you're happy Ego Sick City Don't do anything illegal Look at your game girl Eyes of a dreamer and more are such great songs. It is definitely among the best 30 records I know. Especially when it comes to lyrics. They are liberating. And I think I don't have to publicly condemn anything just because I admit how good that album was. Separate the artist from the art. At least put everything into context.
actually, Alvin Karpis , formerly of the Barker/Karpis gang (who was said to give Manson guitar lessons in prison)said of him (paraphrasing), "If Charlie could stay out of trouble long enough, he may have done fairly well in music." the end there, 'Clang Bang Clang' was interesting. I think his suggestion to just " let tape roll, and cut out what'cha don't want" or something like that, was a good idea for his sometimes rough around the edges, style. 'Garbage Dump' was also good. at one time, I wouldn't praise his stuff in any way, but I recall that it was all recorded well before the murders. just a guy making music. I really thought there'd be more, but still more than I've heard before. I knew AMPLIFIED wouldn't let me down.
A lot of people are hesitant to acknowledge that Manson had some musical talent. Some of his stuff is pretty decent. Because of what he became the instinct is to not compliment him in any way. I get that. Objectively speaking I’ve heard plenty worse. All the acid and criminal tendencies made him creepy and uncomfortable to be around, for those with a keen enough radar. We know how he was able to manipulate younger, more naive folks, much to their detriment. Clearly he allowed himself to snap, and we all know the rest.
It's definitely worth listening to the LIE album, I have it myself, "Look at Your Game Girl" and "Cease to Exist" in particular are actually quite good songs on their own merits.
Conflicting stories about whether or not he was into speed. Some say he was, but others say he was not. Tex and Susan kept a hidden stash of the stuff for their own use and according to them, they had to keep it hidden because Charlie was against them taking it. I’ve also read that when it occasionally came time for the Family to clean up after themselves at Spahn Ranch in addition to chores related to the day to day operations of the ranch they helped with, they would take speed to get it all done faster and Charlie encouraged it. So who knows.
"Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon," Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream by David McGowan with a forward by Nick Bryant. This book comes away with a very different story than this documentary.
@@doodahdavesrecords4319 McGowan's book kind of verifys what I suspected all along. The whole Hippie thing is just a psychedelic version of the Military Industrial Complex. Look at how many of that old Laurel Canyon crowd are pro war now. Just take dictatorial concepts and inject it with a microdose of Utopianism. 60s separation altruism was a tabula rasa just waiting for the "right" impressions. Manson was one of the first experiments in this Brave New World.
I grew up in the 60s. Very different time. No cell phones, no internet, no cable 3 tv channels that went off at midnight, 45 records,and 8 track tape decks.the Beatles arriving, Shag carpet in every house, Kennedy and King assassinations, Nixon and Watertergate , Vietnam protests, moon landing ,Hippies, love beads, Twiggy, bell bottom pants, mini skirts and go go boots, tie dyed shirts, Orange sunshine LSD , Manson murders just a few things I remember
If manson would have kept pursuing his music career, his life would have taken a very different path. He was very talented, but his anger and need for vengeance on the world was what kept him from getting there. He was always crying victim. When he was the cause of his own victimhood.
Melcher dodged the bullet. So did Dennis Wilson in all probability. What The Beach Boys did with “Never Learn Not To Love” was brilliant psychedelia. Manson’s music was ok for singing around a campfire but if he’d accepted useful criticism & help he could of sold some stuff. But, that’s not how a deluded megalomaniac thinks.
Its obvious that Charlie's constant drug use played a vital role in his destruction. His mind was drifting away from reality more and more reading into things and hidden messages in music that weren't there, the paranoia about the state of society and The Black Panthers and the constructing of a homicidal plan that in no way would point towards the Black Panthers. But in his warped sense of reality due to his drug use and background... this made perfect sense to him
exaclty. lsd prompted me and 4 of my friends to rob a house one night a house we had never been in didnt know who lived there if theu had guns nothing just raided the shit out of it acid is powerful but can make u extremely vulnerable and gullible!!
You really think he was.afraid of the black panthers? He may have hated the. But fear, na u less it was the drugs. Because the white panthers def got more numbers
i was expecting an examination of charles manson's music. some of what was in the documentary was pretty good and he had a good voice. it's a shame there wasn't more included. the documentary was interesting, it puts a different spin on what ultimately happened.
Irresponsible, derelict parents who abandoned their young teenage children through divorce so they could fulfill their own selfish pursuits. Every one of the so called Manson family girls came from middle class families. Any slightly older man could have and would have exploited them. CM wasn’t particularly talented and he didn’t have the discipline to work on guitar or performance skills - he just kept working on the con. Collecting the souls of lost children who refused to grow up. The ones who committed murder weren’t kids. They were old enough to be out in the world. But their parents had allowed them an extended adolescence with access to money, but no direction. Manson used the lover boy method to attract the women and girls. The underage girls attracted the degenerate men. The music is just background noise and distraction.
Charlie was what he was and we all know what he was I think some of his music was okay but he was unproducedable and his music wasn't worth a s***without some professional help
Very well done. Provides the sociological and cultural background. Dennis Wilson truly and honesty thought Manson was talented enough for a recording contract. He would have never connected him to Terry Melcher if he did not think that. I do not think it was Manson's talent that kept Melcher from following through. I think Melcher did not like Manson's vibe and did not want to work with a person like that. Some people think that part of the motive for the Cielo murders was to terrify Terry Melcher. I think they succeeded. Up until his death in 2004 Terry probably slept with one eye open. All the main participants outlived him and what would stop Manson from ordering some nut to kill him?
Im a huge fan to this day of the Byrds, but even Mr Tambourine Man an perhaps that whole album was musicality performed by the wrecking crew. Most songs being done in 1 or 2 takes. When the Byrds recorded Turn Turn Turn playing the instruments themselves it took over 60 takes to get a good one!
Had one of those people or several of those people were legally armed, in the Tate house, some or possibly all of the people would have survived. People don't know how many lives have been saved by people that have legally owed and carried weapons.
All these could have beens Charles was familiar with some of the places the murders took place. He didn't want to kill children ,through drugs convinced these young persons to murder.
What also killed the summer of love were the lies our government was telling its people. The students of Kent state knew what was what, and they killed them. Sometimes, the heroes are the villains and the villains' heroes. Allegory of the cage. History is His Story, whomever is telling it.
I was in California (Berkeley) not long after the murders, in the fall of 69. At the time, no one had been charged with the murders, so there was no apparent connection to the counter culture, and no one on the street (Telegraph Ave. and the Berkeley campus), paid the murders any mind. I don't remember anyone ever speaking about it. I mean, it certainly wouldn't occur to any of us peace and love freaks that anyone connected to the culture would go out and kill a movie starlet and her friends. Little did we know. It wasn't long after I left California (I'd made my way as far south as Big Sur, and hung out there for awhile, before I was unceremoniously busted for hitch hiking on the coast highway), that it came to light who was involved with the murders. By then I was back in Toronto Canada. In retrospect, Charlie was certainly quite the character. Too bad he couldn't figure out a way to make a more serious go of it with his musical talent. Things would likely not have ended so tragically. Apropos, I've recently written and recorded a cheeky, country-style musical hommage to Charlie, titled, CHARLIE MANSON'S MANSION ("It's a little bit helter skelter, but I know he's gonna gimme shelter"). Lol. Featuring the voice of Willie Nelson (a bit of automated voice substitution there).
Charlie had musical talent, but not the discipline to be a professional songwriter. When record producer Terry Melcher decided the same thing, Manson was not pleased. The rest is history.
I was expecting another run of the mill Manson doc. Pleasantly surprised at how well produced this is, and the number and quality of insightful interviews from people who were there.
Insecure summer of love turned into a darken night of winter.
Manson: the most famous serial killer who never killed anyone...
The best documentary on Manson out there, with testimonies of his closest circle.
This documentary sucks ass. Watch Helter Skelter and American Myth. It's definitely much more in depth and skips all the bullshit like Manson was raised in Cincinnati and didn't know his dad. That's bullshit. He was raised in Macon in Appalachia
Top notch. Seen dozens of CM docs, this actually exposes the music connections that have been conveniently ignored in the past.
His music connections were never ignored
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Never learn not to love ...
Terry Melcher lied on the stand for the prosecution. He lied about not seeing CM for a month before the murders when in fact he was hanging at Spaun with them 3 weeks later.
Yes, never ignored. Just not as in-depth on his music connections as this one.
All docs mention Dennis Wilson, Melcher, but I never knew the Neil Young connection until this vid.
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I was lucky enough to play music with friends for over thirty years. We were a bar band that never made much money or sold records. It was the best times of my life.
You are lucky I only play music by my self
@@SwordOfTheRaven Haha!!! Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all start somewhere.
And I bet you are still all friends. You're blessed that you stayed in bars and other venues.
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I've been in a few bands over the past 45 years. And I can tell you that there is nothing wrong with playing by yourself. Music is powerful and I enjoy playing alone. To me, it's therapeutic.
@@homer5802 I agree with you but I really would like to develop faster and I feel like on my own I can only develop so much, I'm really a fine art painter click my icon I painted that, but music has always been important to me so over the last 3 years I decided to focus on it but it's just slow going and I need to play more Instruments it would just be faster with a partner
One of the Best documentary's Ive seen on Manson 👍, its focused more on the musical aspect than just on the murders themselves. Very Well Done and insightful!!!
- one thing to add that was missing from the documentary was the omission of The Beatles Revolution 9, that Manson was so fascinated with upon hearing it, -in his mind the abstract messages about "Rising" was what also triggered the murders.
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@@erniericardo8140 a lot of that stuff about blaming beatles tunes for triggering manson's crimes was totally made up by the prosecutor bugliosi. i'd take it with a grain of salt, after reading Chaos by Tom O'neill
@@erniericardo8140 after hearing that Charlie heard 'Hello Charlie' spoken by Lennon on Revolution 9, I'm sure I heard it on a 8track version played in my car, but haven't heard it since.
Also Blue Jay Way by Harrison on Magical Mystery Tour was an influence. I believe George was staying there, which isn't a million miles from Cielo Drive.
@@wanderer299a I remember one of the Manson Girls in an interview said that before The Beatles White Album, Magical Mystery Tour record was played in heavy rotation at Spahn Ranch.
The music of the song Manson sings/plays at 37:33 is from an old Spanish love song called "Sabor a Mi". The song would have been popular at that time in Spanish-speaking cultures in California.
Doris Day had a Dream prior to the time Before Sharon Tate had moved 8nto the house .She dreamed her son was in grave danger .She told her son Terry toovevout of that house. Doris was very close to her son and her son trusted her instincts.. Terry moved thus saving his life.❤
And Charlie still found out Melcher moved to Malibu I believe
Us Mothers do have that special sense. I kept having flashes in my sleep (dream like) of my oldest Son being in distress / hurt. / danger. I'd wake up feeling horrible and call him to make sure he was ok. A few days later he was in a horrendous car accident. Was in ICU and in hospital for 10 days w femur break through his thigh, bruised spleen, on ventilator. I just wish my dream flashes had been more specific to know what to warn him of.
That scene , the Summer of Love bit , commune considerations and actual communes , micro-communes ,,, that sort of thing , were Far more sexist , misogynistic and in general more caveman-archaic than the middle-America household and classroom young people were trying to move away from. I’d venture to say , in pockets , it was just as racially messed up as well. The way I see it (saw it) just about the entire “movement” functioned as a way for 18-40 year old white dudes to get lots of sex. And if a woman didn’t want to , she was loudly deemed frigid and uptight. EDIT: And that’s why it bugs the hell out of me when it gets romanticized .
How do you know this?
Elvis was the first person to get crowds going wild and have people go crazy not the Beatles.
Elvis wasn't the first either
I have heard that seeing newsreels of Elvis getting girls all excited inspired John Lennon to do the same.
Hitler.
@@romck1 Indeed, it may have been smaller, but if you see any of the Loony Tunes cartoons for instance from the 1940s, the young women were all going "Frankieeeee" when Frank Sinatra was performing.
Frank Sinatra
with manson it showed peace and love was over. charles was in his own world. my condolences to families.
It was a drug burn perpetrated by Watson & Kasabian. Whenever Tex says Charlie said to do something, he's referring to himself and not Manson
One thing that really stuck out to me was when playing Helter Skelter you had the part where they showed the amusement park ride and it made sense that’s what it was about but then it was being played during the riots and everything going on in the streets and it had a completely different feeling to it. Just goes to show you perspective is everything, know what you are seeing and know what you are believing.
I've watched a lot of documentaries on CM over the past decade or so, and i must say...this one is very good, excellent documentary. Thank you, if i could give 2thumbs up, i would, thanks!❤
Can't believe all this craziness was going on while I was in grade school! But the songs are pretty good.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore-
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over-
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
Langston Hughes
Tex killed that young boy who was just leaving the Tate house in his car after visiting his friend who lived in the rear cottage. I'd give the death penalty for that alone.
They did but that same year CALIFORNIA withdrew the death penalty. Interesting. I guess California figured they'd rather make years and years of tourism reoorters money off this. Cuz I know damn well they don't care about oreserving life out there
Well you didn’t pay attention to the case because they WERE given the death penalty. Until it was commuted to life in prison
@@swisscheeseplease97 Not good enough. Quit the lameness, the weakness. Already knew that, so you didn't pay attention in English 101 class.
Tex Watson didn't kill anyone and he was never called Tex
@@bluesky6985Yes he was called Tex. Lol.
The LAPD not linking the Tate and Labianca murders from the start is mind boggling.....
They did. Then they were told not to. The first three days of the LA papers had it right then all of a sudden it was hippies v Hollywood
"I know why he did what he did ... Someday I'll tell the world"
Dennis Wilson 1978
The 60's...Don McLean said it best, "A generation lost in space, with no time left to start again!"
Closed Borders Era was for then.. the genetic was Liberty
This is one of my favourite documentary’s of all time , watched this a couple of times 😌😁
That was really enjoyable to watch! Well done!
Very good documentary. I have seen many in my life since this since those murders about what and why and not one explained it enough to really understand. I understand this is a persons summary but the documentation is there to back it and shown.
The Manson murders were a perfect storm and created by the times, much like Star 80. I think this piece is the most accurate depiction of what motivated Charles Manson. This story is so layered and all comes down to how fame and hubris can spawn disaster when the right circumstances arise. He was created by the system, he was dissed by the system, and innocent people that the system created paid with their lives when it all came home to roost.
Manson had his 15 minutes of fame, fading away fast.
@@thebangkokconnection4080 you're still writing about him 53 years later. A long 15 minutes!
@@wanderer299aright? Regardless of how anybody feels about him and or the case, and I say that because there's a lot of conflicting things, ideas, and actual truth in the story of Manson. Not even going to get into all that, my opinions on this whole case. However, I will say, Charles Manson is Infamous, and practically Immortal because even in death here we are still discussing him. We've been talkin about Charles Manson, making documentaries even if it is the same regurgitated crap over and over and over, he's in newspapers, magazines, he's everywhere and we are still talking about this 50-plus years later. Yeah he had a little bit more than 15 minutes of fame
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The motive for the murders can be found in Langley, VA.
Timothy Leary was CIA and or FBI
Timothy Leary was a West Point graduate and military ⚔ intelligence
@@bluesky6985 he didn't graduate though
Going from crew cut military hard ass to a lose screw isn’t a far stretch. I’m living proof
Going from crew cut military hard ass to a lose screw isn’t a far stretch. I’m living proof
Dennis Wilson made an incredible solo album right before his death. It even outsold The Beach Boys current album at the time. But it fell out of print and out of history.
too bad. I'd like to hear it.
I have that album and it is not very good in my opinion. Selling it off with my record collection soon. You can still buy the album and cd at Amazon and on Distogs.
You can still get it, its been re-issued. I got it on CD and vinyl, Pacific Ocean Blue. It really is one of the best albums ever made. I also got Bambu, a whole 2nd album of material, it's all great
@@robertbarnhart7791 I don't have those records, but I do own an original first pressing of Cheech & Chong's Big Bambu, with the original clear plastic on the cover, and unused giant rolling paper.
Poor Dennis.
Quality documentary. Great job
Tex Watson led the murder parties and killed those people. He knew Dennis Wilson independently of Manson and had been to Cielo Drive many times before he'd ever met Manson. There are some interesting views here but it's a shame it omits discussing the actual killer.
I was hoping to hear a mention of Vito Paulikos and his Freaks contribution to the cultural milieu of this emergent scene.
My best friends grandmother played with Manson through the fence on the West Side Charleston WV.
Zappa didnt smoke weed and was opposed to drug use.
That's why Frank Zappa sucks
Someone who is against drug use dosent name their child "Moon Unit".
That would explain why I never cared for his peculiar artistic expression of 🎶 music. I do admire him for his political endeavors.
This guy still believes in Santa too🎅🤣🤣🤣 listen to Frank on acid and see if you still believe him😂😂😂
That's not true at all. He smoked weed and took LSD
When I first saw this video pop up on my computer screen, I thought it would be just another poorly done shock doc. Glad I gave it a watch, as it's well-crafted, insightful, and fascinating!
When Manson died, it was slightly sad because another reminder of the 60s was gone.
The 1960s was one hell of a decade. My favorite 5 years of music is from 1965-1969.
Music was good, the people were idiots.
Nothing sad whatsoever about that asshole dying. He lived way too long. It would have been better for everyone, including him, if he was never born in the first place.
@@IronmanKMSA I think you are in love with him
I had a go to hell charlie party.
@@indiandaeng I bet TONS of people came right?
Very nicely done. If they had only signed him to a contract perhaps all the madness later could have been avoided, but then again perhaps not. The madman in him ran to the very depths of his soul.
No amount of fame or fortune was going to tame this psychopath. Just like Hitler who was a "frustrated and rejected" artist. The evil was still within.
I'm sorry but Manson's music sucked. You can find better players, singers in any small towns local bar band. And even the Beach Boys were replaced by the Wrecking Crew because they couldn't cut in in the studio.
MK Ultra didn't help.@@lydialilli4351
Yea and if Hitler would have only been accepted to art school......
Manson might have actually made it but for the fact that his music sucked even by hippie folk music standards. The fact that he became a murderer instead of a famous musician is actually the lesser of two evils.
He had some raw talent that was never developed, plus he wouldn't take direction. However the commune band, they were quite good!
Charles Manson is quite a mystery, he is more mysterious than any other person in the world.
More than the international man of mystery Austin powers?
@@GeorgeZimmermenbehave
Mysterious? He was a two bit criminal manipulator
@@KrystyneYnonetheless, he had a fascinating life and to me his music remains some of the best I've heard. Also, being able to control a cult to the extent he did and convince them of all the things is impressive for a 3rd grade drop out imo.
@@KrystyneY I agree with you. Manson was very transparent in my opinion.
Charles Manson was diagnosed in prison with
schizotypal personality disorder with underlying paranoid and narcissistic features and antisocial personality disorder …
He definitely wasn’t wired right and I Believe he was also born with fetal Alcohol Syndrome he was difficult as a small child , probably drove his mother crazier than she already was no one could handle him
And your point?
Schizo was invented by Doctors/ scientist who don’t believe in GOD
The Hippies movement was already in its death throws when Manson come along. Heroin had undermined it in SF and NYC, and it was starting to become more of a "Fashion Statement" then anything else. My mom(who was pregnant with me in 70' in San Diego) said she walked into Sears and saw women of her Parents' generation buying Flower dresses and short skirts and beaded jewelry she knew it was no longer counter culture, but had been turned it into a product of industry.(or something along those lines).
She did say after the Tate murders and then a few years later Kemper murders that fear was the word of the day for young women in Southern California, and everyone started locking their doors at night and during the day, and putting bars of their windows(which you can still see today on SoCal houses newly built in the early 70s..we were in Santa Cruz or Fresno at that point).
He got the idea for Look At Yr Game Girl, from Games Ppl Play, book. The dude who engineered the first session said he wouldn't do it a 2nd time, because of Mansons body odor, alone.
Amazing documentary, excellently researched. I finally see how this all came together and the sequence of events makes sense - far more than those that just dramatize the horror and it appears that the murders just popped out of nowhere. One can see the build up of disappointments and even the twisted logic of diverting attention from Charlie's connection with the drug deal gone wrong.
Poor guitar player who would not listen to professionals in the music industry who tried to help him. He thought he was smarter than the pros.
He had no confidence and next to no self esteem he got his kicks and power from brainwashing rebellious unattractive desperate to fit in teenage girls and the rest is history
The pros were more talented but most all got screwed in the end by the music business. No one helps anyone, Everyone just looks out for themselves... The smart ones live there whole lives in peace and happiness without going crazy, dying young or killing people. Paul McCartney is smart.
He was singing with BEACH BOYS, not the 1s You tried to kiss ass to... yet just showed your grandmother looks bad at Periodic Table using a computer
Charles Manson was okay as a guitarist. He could have improved, but I don't think he really loved the art of it; he just wanted the fame.
@@jessiehermit9503 I believe the complete opposite to be true.
Phil Kaufman was not just some 'bit actor' he was Gram Parsons roadie and became briefly famous himself for trying to burn Gram Parsons' body in Joshua Tree National Park as he said was part of their mutual pact of whoever died first. Kaufman received a fine for this and there was a benefit concert featuring many well known alternative country musicians organized to pay off the fine.
Gram Parsons was also part of the later Byrds who renamed themselves The Flying Burrito Brothers after I believe Roger McGuinn left (not totally sure about that.). Gram Parsons was influential in getting the Byrds to switch to country rock as apparently they were all tired of their folk rock sound. Apparently before Gram Parsons came along the Byrds considered switching to freeform jazz which may be satirized in the mockumentary This is Spinal Tap.
Now most of the older politicians are derived from this era. Give ya something to think about.
Boomers have caused more heartache, destruction and war than any other American generation
UGH! Is there any Charles Manson documentary that Jeff Guinn hasn't taken part in? It gets irritating because he has nothing new to offer and just repeats the same information on every program with a weird, beaming smirk that seems to say "Hey, and here's something you're gonna get a kick out of" look upon his face! Seems his whole career is giving interviews for shows like these.
Charlie really liked techno towards the end. You had to remove any staples from the cd booklets you brought him. I always thought that was weird, like couldn't a broken in half cd do more damage than a staple? Idk. Rot In Piss Chuckles. Thanks for the memories.
A staple can be used for alot of things. A half broken CD can cut. Look up how many things you could do with a single staple.
Charlie is finally free. He didn’t deserve life in prison. Read more about the events and you’ll see he was completely railroaded. He didn’t kill anyone and he didn’t order any killings
@@mhmorris2018 He did. He drove them personally to the LaBianca's house and tied them up himself.
As a self-taught guitarists I've been playing for 13 years I've always loved his rhythm, it's bouncy it bounces all over the place there's no structure. Like it
Alot if it's drug influenced. The beginning was not. It was excellent and super unique. If he had e gotten to focus on being an artist he would've killed it. Some of his lyrics were soul binding I believe
I went to Berkeley to visit with my boyfriend and his visiting twin sisters (from Detroit). I came from Santa Rosa and I lived there with my boyfriend. I thought nothing of visiting the Berkeley Campus. This was in about 1972. We all walked to the cafeteria. I noticed right away that the servers gave me hard looks. I am Hispanic, but what did it matter what my ethnicity was??? The looked at me like I was a trespasser. I was stunned. They saw me my boyfriend and his white bread white sisters, one whose husband came on the trip. I now think that the school was not intergrated. I had never been exposed to this attitude in my life. A few years later, Berkeley had changed completely. America is unique, ain't it?? I miss that Berkeley, because as you probably know, it is full of homeless people most businesses have shut down. Berkeley looks gritty and alien, dark and dangerous.
30 year old Con. With jailhouse games and LSD , can do wonders to teenagers
Guns n Roses covered Manson's song "Look at your game girl" on "the spaghetti incident?" album
Manson's mind was not unsound. He was not crazy. On the contrary, Manson was very intelligent but a victim of circumstances which made him develop survival skills to fit the times. Listen closely to what he says and you'll find sanity. Scary but true.
People can be both intelligent and crazy. I’m not saying he was full on crazy, but I do believe he likely had some significant mental health issues going on. And the drugs didn’t help.
@@EastSide-qc5oy Charles Manson wasn’t intelligent nor was he crazy. He was a sadistic, vengeful and evil control freak who wanted revenge for being rejected. He was gonna get his fifteen minutes of fame no matter what he had to do to get it.
I've listened closely. He definitely had mental health issues, clearly exacerbated by the conditions under which he was raised.
Apart from the obvious and much greater tragedies -- the pointless killing and ruining of lives -- there's the tragedy of Charlie Manson's wasted musical talent. He obviously had some, and if he had been better-adjusted and more tenacious, he could have continued to develop his talents and eventually maintain a successful musical career.
He really wasn't that bright. People like to think he was, but he was kind of a moron.
I could never make heads or tails out of anything he ever said
Manson was that "musician" who can't play the same song twice.He was a fraud as a musician and people think he was good because of his notoriety not talent because he had no talent.
My dad's a music major graduate from UCLA and has been a professional for 50 years, he loves the music I've showed him of Manson's. He's not extraordinary, but he's not nearly as bad as you're saying. Just basic and simple, but that doesn't mean untalented.
And who the hell are you. For you to just act like your opinion says all. Sounds like maybe like Charles you believe your more important then anyone else does.
Didn't sound like it
He had a pretty good voice maybe not Elvis or the Beatles but he sang pretty good some nice songs played the guitar pretty good. It's very sad that he became a cult leader and the mass murders.
I LOVED Elvis! Especially his Blues album.
I never liked the Beatles at all. My sweet Lord, when George Harrison went solo, was the best thing that ever came out of one of the Beatles, IMO.
I liked Charlie voice. 🤷♀️ Too bad he was whacked.
@@Patienthost IMO you be BS
Elvis was garbage
His guitar playing sucked but he had an okay voice and okay lyrics.
@@freebee8221 I guess you could say that about old delta blues musicians too
Rest in Peace Dennis
I have still one question! Was he at the crime scenes?
Not the Tate one. He was at LeBiancas, in fact tied them up, but left before Tex killed them. They are really the Tex Watson murders.
No
Yes, he was at LaBianca. Tied victims up, then split to let Tex and the girls to do the dirty work. Not at the Tate murders.
Charles Manson wasn't at the crime scene of the Tate murders as far as investigator's know.
The Tate residence did have a knife and a pair of reading glasses that were found during the investigation and the victims didn't own either one.
The next night Charles Manson told: Charles Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houton, and Linda Kasabian(only driver that had a valid driver's license) to get into the car and instructed Linda which house to go to.
Manson then got out of the car and broke into the LaBianca's house and tied them up with leather tongs (strap's). The couple were assured by Manson they wouldn't be harmed.
Once outside he told his followers to go inside the house and do what needs to be done.
Manson would have been charged with: Breaking in Entry and False Imprisonment if Rosemary and Leo hadn't been killed.
Did Manson go to the Tate residence to see what his followers did and was false evidence planted by him ?
The answer to these questions are unknown to this day.
The investigator's had a hard time finding the suspects in the senseless murders.
The Investigator's had their big break after the Manson family had been arrested once again for auto theft. The first time the family was arrested was about 2 wks after the murders (August 1969) but were let go by the police because the date on the arrest warrant was wrong.
The family were then taken into custody in December of 1969 again for auto theft.
Susan Atkins went went bat shit crazy and told her 2 roommate's what she did and how she loved killing Sharon Tate and the rest is history.
I want to know more in depth details. Like, how did he find and acquire Barker Ranch? So, what they just drove aimlessly into Death Valley and go, "Oh look, we'll settle there." It was'nt like one could go to Home Depot down the street and get things to "fix up the place." ---AND, most important, where is that "Capt. Quaalude" t-shirt now? Sad to think that "Milk and Cookies" started it all.
I believe Barker Ranch belonged to a grandmother of one of the girls who allowed them to live there. Barker turned out badly. It was too hot in the summer & too remote to acquire food & drugs easily & to conduct trade with bikers & drug dealers that they were used to at Spahn.
What’s weird is that Steve Grogan, the male voice and guitar player on The Manson Family Sings, did Charlie’s songs better than he did.
You really think so ? I hope one day those records that were recorded before he got locked up are released
i dont think Manson could sing or play or write well enough to make it in music, but i'll continue watching and possibly amend my opinion -----seems like he didnt quite have the goods to me
He would of made a good member of the wrecking crew though. Good lyrics.
This is fantastic…a psychological breakdown of ‘breaking bad’
That baby pic of CM he was born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome for sure hence the early behavioural problems and the rest is history
Ahhhh when you don't have your parents...regardless if someone I there who claims too live you...your gonna be disagreeable....parenting who It is and how it's done is crucial....Father and a Mother
Someone left the cake out in the rain. Manson comes to the studio audition with an acoustic guitar and a bunch of girls. Whereas he required an accomplished band with him to perform his tunes, of which he would have required to have had about 30 of such, with the studio producers omitting about 17 as less viable and the viable 13 tracks are re-choreographed, re-worked, studio musicians subsequently used, if necessary, until a passable set is presented to Terry Melcher. None of this was done. Neither party, the studio or Manson, did their homework on it.
"An accomplished band to perform his tunes"? Have you heard his tunes? Very basic. Any idiot could play his tunes.
If some needs that much help... maybe, just maybe, they're not that good
To be honest, his album „LIE: the Love and Terror Cult“ was a really good album. Sad he became a murder instead a good musician.
Most great music comes from the “Beyond Within”. Manson was indeed an Outlaw, Felon, however he did NOT murder anyone in the Tate-Labianca case. Get that straight. Reconcile that….
Extremely good. An outstanding work.
Your home is where you're happy
Ego
Sick City
Don't do anything illegal
Look at your game girl
Eyes of a dreamer and more are such great songs. It is definitely among the best 30 records I know. Especially when it comes to lyrics. They are liberating.
And I think I don't have to publicly condemn anything just because I admit how good that album was. Separate the artist from the art. At least put everything into context.
actually, Alvin Karpis , formerly of the Barker/Karpis gang (who was said to give Manson guitar lessons in prison)said of him (paraphrasing), "If Charlie could stay out of trouble long enough, he may have done fairly well in music." the end there, 'Clang Bang Clang' was interesting. I think his suggestion to just " let tape roll, and cut out what'cha don't want" or something like that, was a good idea for his sometimes rough around the edges, style. 'Garbage Dump' was also good. at one time, I wouldn't praise his stuff in any way, but I recall that it was all recorded well before the murders. just a guy making music. I really thought there'd be more, but still more than I've heard before. I knew AMPLIFIED wouldn't let me down.
Manson didn't kill anybody.....he may have master minded it or who knows maybe he didn't...but he didn't directly kill anybody.
He didn't physically kill anyone
My friend owned and ran the peppermint tea metaphysical library and Tea shop. During Hade Ashburys' hay day.
A lot of people are hesitant to acknowledge that Manson had some musical talent. Some of his stuff is pretty decent. Because of what he became the instinct is to not compliment him in any way. I get that. Objectively speaking I’ve heard plenty worse. All the acid and criminal tendencies made him creepy and uncomfortable to be around, for those with a keen enough radar. We know how he was able to manipulate younger, more naive folks, much to their detriment. Clearly he allowed himself to snap, and we all know the rest.
It's definitely worth listening to the LIE album, I have it myself, "Look at Your Game Girl" and "Cease to Exist" in particular are actually quite good songs on their own merits.
Invisible tears, infinite mind, I'm free now - listen to those
It seems to me when the flower power turned to paranoia that Charlie was on speed.
Sadie admitted to it. So yeah. He also was probably a paranoid schizophrenic.
Conflicting stories about whether or not he was into speed. Some say he was, but others say he was not. Tex and Susan kept a hidden stash of the stuff for their own use and according to them, they had to keep it hidden because Charlie was against them taking it. I’ve also read that when it occasionally came time for the Family to clean up after themselves at Spahn Ranch in addition to chores related to the day to day operations of the ranch they helped with, they would take speed to get it all done faster and Charlie encouraged it. So who knows.
It has the opposite effect on people who are baseline manic like charlie. When you are wired enough naturally , it makes you feel like crap
Really weird how the guys were able to leave the family, no problem but if the girls tried to leave ! I thought they were all equals ?
"Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon," Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream by David McGowan with a forward by Nick Bryant. This book comes away with a very different story than this documentary.
I think McGowan got it right! This doc does not mention MK Ultra which Manson was involved with
@@doodahdavesrecords4319 The Beach Boys stole his record. Compare the song.
@@doodahdavesrecords4319 McGowan's book kind of verifys what I suspected all along. The whole Hippie thing is just a psychedelic version of the Military Industrial Complex. Look at how many of that old Laurel Canyon crowd are pro war now. Just take dictatorial concepts and inject it with a microdose of Utopianism. 60s separation altruism was a tabula rasa just waiting for the "right" impressions. Manson was one of the first experiments in this Brave New World.
@@artsahobby123 Beach Boys also ripped off Chuck Berry.
@@WattisWatts I heard Jerry Lee Lewis used to trash the club after he left before Chuck got there.
Damn the 60s looked fun compared to life now 😂
Yeah the Vietnam war was a real gas
Drugging civilians in bars and prisons and creating killers was so rad.
I grew up in the 60s. Very different time. No cell phones, no internet, no cable 3 tv channels that went off at midnight, 45 records,and 8 track tape decks.the Beatles arriving, Shag carpet in every house, Kennedy and King assassinations, Nixon and Watertergate , Vietnam protests, moon landing ,Hippies, love beads, Twiggy, bell bottom pants, mini skirts and go go boots, tie dyed shirts, Orange sunshine LSD , Manson murders just a few things I remember
Hey, at least we got the pandemic, large scale depression, shitty pop music and if we're lucky, WWIII
@@steeroth93Honestly though.
"garbage dump" was used in the serie Friends, the song "Smelly Cat" even the lyrics match
3:40 is there a bug on the lens?
Manson's music career started in the 1950s
Drug dealers burning
Other drug dealers.
🤺💐
If manson would have kept pursuing his music career, his life would have taken a very different path. He was very talented, but his anger and need for vengeance on the world was what kept him from getting there. He was always crying victim. When he was the cause of his own victimhood.
There's been like 8 ads 17 min into this documentary. Smh
Melcher dodged the bullet. So did Dennis Wilson in all probability. What The Beach Boys did with “Never Learn Not To Love” was brilliant psychedelia. Manson’s music was ok for singing around a campfire but if he’d accepted useful criticism & help he could of sold some stuff. But, that’s not how a deluded megalomaniac thinks.
I gotta make my mind up, The stones started in 62 , Didndt the stones have more hits?
Its obvious that Charlie's constant drug use played a vital role in his destruction. His mind was drifting away from reality more and more reading into things and hidden messages in music that weren't there, the paranoia about the state of society and The Black Panthers and the constructing of a homicidal plan that in no way would point towards the Black Panthers. But in his warped sense of reality due to his drug use and background... this made perfect sense to him
He could've been a paranoid schizophrenic
@undrwatropium3724 Concerning CM's upbringing and neglect, he didn't stand a chance.
exaclty. lsd prompted me and 4 of my friends to rob a house one night a house we had never been in didnt know who lived there if theu had guns nothing just raided the shit out of it acid is powerful but can make u extremely vulnerable and gullible!!
You really think he was.afraid of the black panthers? He may have hated the. But fear, na u less it was the drugs. Because the white panthers def got more numbers
i was expecting an examination of charles manson's music. some of what was in the documentary was pretty good and he had a good voice. it's a shame there wasn't more included. the documentary was interesting, it puts a different spin on what ultimately happened.
Irresponsible, derelict parents who abandoned their young teenage children through divorce so they could fulfill their own selfish pursuits.
Every one of the so called Manson family girls came from middle class families.
Any slightly older man could have and would have exploited them.
CM wasn’t particularly talented and he didn’t have the discipline to work on guitar or performance skills - he just kept working on the con.
Collecting the souls of lost children who refused to grow up.
The ones who committed murder weren’t kids. They were old enough to be out in the world.
But their parents had allowed them an extended adolescence with access to money, but no direction.
Manson used the lover boy method to attract the women and girls.
The underage girls attracted the degenerate men.
The music is just background noise and distraction.
...and then some.
Well said !! Totally agree
@@deedeewinchur
I think a pimp is definitely worse, but I mostly agree with you.
Yep. He was talented and expert at being a pimp.
@@davidb2206
Was he though?
7:25. 🔥☮🔥
I remember when all of this happened. I was about 6 or 7 and Charles Manson was the definition of the boogy man for me.
Dianne Lake has a new book called member of the family -2017
No mention of where all this LSD came from???
1960s California...shoot, you could pick up stuff like that literally anywhere.
still can
Charlie was what he was and we all know what he was I think some of his music was okay but he was unproducedable and his music wasn't worth a s***without some professional help
Very well done. Provides the sociological and cultural background.
Dennis Wilson truly and honesty thought Manson was talented enough for a recording contract. He would have never connected him to Terry Melcher if he did not think that.
I do not think it was Manson's talent that kept Melcher from following through. I think Melcher did not like Manson's vibe and did not want to work with a person like that.
Some people think that part of the motive for the Cielo murders was to terrify Terry Melcher. I think they succeeded. Up until his death in 2004 Terry probably slept with one eye open. All the main participants outlived him and what would stop Manson from ordering some nut to kill him?
Im a huge fan to this day of the Byrds, but even Mr Tambourine Man an perhaps that whole album was musicality performed by the wrecking crew. Most songs being done in 1 or 2 takes. When the Byrds recorded Turn Turn Turn playing the instruments themselves it took over 60 takes to get a good one!
leary and manson were later cellmates at fordsolm prison in 1973 i think.
Had one of those people or several of those people were legally armed, in the Tate house, some or possibly all of the people would have survived. People don't know how many lives have been saved by people that have legally owed and carried weapons.
I know over a million violent crimes a year are prevented by legal gun owners
yep
Oh SHUT UP
Amen.
Always. Especially at night in a rich person's house. They could afford a gate guard to check in visitors. Way too lax.
Wow look at this pic next to the mug shot of 45
Crazy similarities
Manson was a little scruffball.
😅😂 Yep he sure was
"Look at your game girl"
All these could have beens Charles was familiar with some of the places the murders took place. He didn't want to kill children ,through drugs convinced these young persons to murder.
Hard drugs like coke and heroin killed the summer of love hippie movement.
What also killed the summer of love were the lies our government was telling its people. The students of Kent state knew what was what, and they killed them. Sometimes, the heroes are the villains and the villains' heroes. Allegory of the cage. History is His Story, whomever is telling it.
METH!
@@MaureenDeVries-wd9mh That didn't help as well ...
Look at your Game Girl is timeless.
I was in California (Berkeley) not long after the murders, in the fall of 69. At the time, no one had been charged with the murders, so there was no apparent connection to the counter culture, and no one on the street (Telegraph Ave. and the Berkeley campus), paid the murders any mind. I don't remember anyone ever speaking about it. I mean, it certainly wouldn't occur to any of us peace and love freaks that anyone connected to the culture would go out and kill a movie starlet and her friends. Little did we know.
It wasn't long after I left California (I'd made my way as far south as Big Sur, and hung out there for awhile, before I was unceremoniously busted for hitch hiking on the coast highway), that it came to light who was involved with the murders. By then I was back in Toronto Canada.
In retrospect, Charlie was certainly quite the character. Too bad he couldn't figure out a way to make a more serious go of it with his musical talent. Things would likely not have ended so tragically.
Apropos, I've recently written and recorded a cheeky, country-style musical hommage to Charlie, titled, CHARLIE MANSON'S MANSION ("It's a little bit helter skelter, but I know he's gonna gimme shelter"). Lol. Featuring the voice of Willie Nelson (a bit of automated voice substitution there).
Why would you do anything in his name.
The end result of out of control brat teenagers gone wild
Violence begets violence 🥀
Charlie had musical talent, but not the discipline to be a professional songwriter. When record producer Terry Melcher decided the same thing, Manson was not pleased. The rest is history.