@craftcoffeespot Great vids! How close do you think the coffee quality (milk based) does the bambino plus get to the dual boiler? Say 98% or near enough, better than any high-street Cafe? Can light roast be made in the bambino Plus or dual boiler? Thanks
@@hash5191 depends on your skill level and desire for perfection. Once I got really into espresso, the dual boiler felt night and day to the Bambino. DB has bigger portafilter and more control. Bet lots of “espresso aficionados” would agree. That said, I moved back to a bambino to save space and am really happy with it! Bambino is still really good, and yes, I am able to dial in light roasts with it.
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@@coreykelly2523 Sure, some people might do that. But why do you think this would be the case here? I find his reviews well done, and love the way he presents info. I've been looking for this kind of info for about 3 days... glad I found it here.
Just picked up a barista touch at bed bath and beyond’s going out of business sale for 650. I’ve got to say, coming from having no background in espresso, it performs impeccably. The automation and intuitive ease of use make this machine something my family is happy to use first thing in the morning. The auto steamer is a game changer that I’m not sure I can ever backtrack from. We love it
make sure you do the descale often, i left mine until it told me to do it onscreen and it got clogged up and doesn't work now, has really fine tubes in the heater that clog easily
Thanks for the good briefing on various types of Breville models. Temperature control is also one of the critical feature which is good to have. I owned a Bambino Plus, I had assessed its brewing temperature which is relatively lower than i had anticipated. As a general practice, I need to flush out at least 1-2 times before starting the actual brewing. Because the 1st flush temp is about 82-85C, 2nd flush is about 88 to 90C, 3rd flush is about 90-95C. If you are very particular about the brewing temp, then you need to flush out 2 times first. However, these steps will reduce the thermojet lifespan. If you are not so particular about the temp, then Breville is just fine for you.
Mine is pretty consistent at around 82C once in the cup as porcelain (loveramic), do remember that the cup itself cools down the water pretty quick and it loses heat as it falls. So my general flow is insert portafilter, pull a double shot with nothing in it with cup under, it heats the cup, meanwhile measure beans into dosing cup and throw into hopper. Grind it into dosing cup, and start hot water on the side, once grind is finished, cup is mostly full, so stop the hot water. Take out portafilter, quick wipe so dry, flip dosing cup onto/into portafilter and pull the shot. If you'd like to get it hotter, use a glass instead, ups it by around 2-3C, and you can kind of skip the extra hot water, just heat up the portafilter.
I've had a Breville BES840XL for a decade and I've never had a lick of problems. Yes, I do regular maintenance. I can't say the same for my Breville Smart Grinder...it chokes easily on light and even some medium roasts.
Just subscribed to your channel. Thank you so much for this information! You get straight to the point without waffling on like others do! Awesome job!
Thanks for the unbiased review of each one of these machines. I was already thinking to go for the Batista Touch coming in to watching the video but now I am absolutely certain it is the best one for me. Just gotta save up first now because they aint cheap!
@@RickRobinsonDonnellan they go on sale periodically. One during May, Prime Day, and another in Sept/Oct. also check FB marketplace - you can find used ones of good quality. It’s how I bought several machines!
Great video. I have a barista express first generation machine with the square top integrated grinder which is about 15 years old. Im using it daily for several months making about 4 lattes each day. Finally got into freshly roasted expresso beans and keeping the machine clean in and out. Installed a new group head nylon gasket. I weigh the beans (15g) and have the grind size down. My yield in 30 seconds is approximately 28 g. Milk steam quickly and the drink is hot. Any suggestions for replacing things like shower screens or adding a bottomless porta filter would be appreciated. Thank you. Joseph.
The oracle touch has alot of problems with heating up after descaling. It is a very common issue. I have the oracle for 1,5 year. Descaled it every 6 weeks as recommended. After a year I had the first issue with heating and internal leakage. Send it for repair amd was fixed. Advice to descale more often. Ok every 4 weeks. Now 5 months later, after descaling again issue with heating. So it sucks. Because this big machine was expensive. I still have waranty for about 6 months but the fact it keeps hapening sucks because it will happen after warranty.
Hi, thanks for your comment. I hope you wouldn't mind if I asked you a little more about your Barista Touch experience. When did you buy it? How is the performance and your satisfaction with it? How good is the grinder?
Just got the express impress with the cyber week sale. The assisted tamping isn’t just about tamping, it’s about taking one big thing out of the “dial in” equation. The slower boiler is probably a good starting point for me even though it might not have the most robust temperature stability. I’ve heard you just heat up the portafilter first and that should go a long way.
I reviewed the Impress after this video. You can see several things that change my view here -> ruclips.net/video/ElpOx2aeWEc/видео.htmlsi=pyS0Xeuvdzpazd7b
Great information thank you. I have the Breville barista touch, which is fantastic for me as I have cerebral palsy so cannot do a lot of manual work one thing I can’t seem to get right is the grind size. My other complaint is that even on the hottest setting it does not seem to make an extremely hot coffee. I’m not sure if I’m doing something wrong.
Please watch our other video on Breville tips. This will answer some questions on grind size and heat: ruclips.net/video/A7_6QX4GD6E/видео.htmlsi=QXzHSrOtwfXZcD8a
*We have more Breville videos!* Bambino vs Bambino Plus: ruclips.net/video/Ik3ZgfGaKgM/видео.html Barista Pro vs Express: ruclips.net/video/qX-Pm3Ue92E/видео.html Barista Touch vs Pro: ruclips.net/video/xdyNHmhw_es/видео.html Breville Barista Pro (dialing in): ruclips.net/video/buiIX23KBvY/видео.html Breville Barista Touch (full review): ruclips.net/video/1usawKQXtkw/видео.html
@@sar7719 yes, they do. Plant based takes a little more learning. Also, the thermojet machines have better control of steam wand. So the Bambino’s, Pro, and Touch are better options there, especially the Barista Touch.
Yes, we have a whole video deep dive on the Express Impress - it’s a great model. You can watch it here: ruclips.net/video/ElpOx2aeWEc/видео.htmlsi=Fvl07iR8gV49lVm8
I’ve been using my bambino plus for three and half years and it’s working like the first day I got it. The drip tray has a crack on the plastic bottom part and I wasn’t able to replace it cause they stopped the royal champagne color…. Just don’t put it into the dishwasher even though it says on the instruction book that the drip tray is safe for top rack dishwashing… now I’m thinking of upgrading my machine to a barista touch/ touch impress. Really want the oracle but the price uhhh😢😢😢😢
The Touch Impress will get you really close to an Oracle. I was comparing the Bambino vs Dual Boiler head-to-head and the espresso is not that far off. Dual Boiler is better, but Thermojet is quite good. (Might be another video comparison 🙃). The Touch steam wand is def better than the Bambino Plus too. Also, underrated how long Brevilles can last if well maintained. My Bambino runs like a champ.
Breville Barista Touch .. is something that I've highly recommended to all of our friends who have multiple coffee lovers in their home with various skill levels. Not everyone wants to make a hobby out of making espresso. My recommend add-ons: 1. $32 GeeAnkok's Premium 54mm Naked Bottomless Portafilter. 2. $43 Normcore V4 Coffee Tamper 53.3mm - Spring-loaded Tamper 3. $28 IMS Precision (1TH23) 18-22 g filter basket B62.52TH28E compatible with 54mm Breville 4. $59 TIMEMORE 2022 New Version Digital Espresso Coffee Scales (or a newer version) 5. $22 Crema Coffee Products | 54mm Espresso Dosing Funnel 6. $36 Normcore WDT Distribution Tool V2.1 with Stand - 0.23mm 8 Prong Espresso Distribution Tool (the holder makes it nice) _7. ($99) St. Anthony's .. The Bloc Espresso Knock Box + Tamp Station_ _The Saint Anthony's tamp station to me is a beautiful thing, but it depends upon your accessories. I have distribution tools that it didn't list that look nice in it along with that calibrated tamper. It also includes a stainless steel knock station, but if you're making a lot of espresso obviously it's going to be too small for that purpose._ Clearly if you're a hobbyist then the sky's the limit. I'd say for the hobbyist I would spend at least $300 on a grinder if not $500. And I probably would spend $2,000 on an espresso machine that has a 58 mm standard portafilter. A Decent espresso machine is a great thing for the techie. I like some of the commercial or quasi commercial grinders including those that can detect exact distances of their grinding platforms. Example Mahlkönig’s DDD technology.
.. a technique that I've learned and has served me well is using that funnel that I described above is to move the portafilter in a circular fashion making certain that the grounds are as evenly distributed as possible while grinding into the portafilter. Then WDT from the bottom up and optionally with a distributor to smooth out the surface and then finally with a calibrated tamper finish. It's served me well and it's super easy.
We updated our chart for the "Impress" models: craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/best-breville-espresso-machine/ The Jet is brand new, and I'd put it right between Touch Impress and Dual Boiler. Frankly, if you are consider Dual Boiler or Breville ORacle, just get the Jet. We also reviewed the Jet here: craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/breville-oracle-jet-review/
Update as of 2023: in 2020 Breville bought Baratza. From 2023 and on the barista pro, barista touch, barista touch impress, oracle, and oracle touch come with a baratza grinder integrated) Now, dieling new coffees is easier and faster without the grinder's gears stripping, not to mention better grinding consistency and uniformity. No, the new barista express impress does not come with this new grinder. Mayor deal breaker for me on the Barista express impress.
Thanks. This is excellent info. I just googled the same as well after reading your comment. Everywhere on reddit, I have heard poor/average reviews of Sage/Breville grinders. Knowing that Baratza grinders are integrated in Barista Touch is a relief. I am thinking of purchasing the Barista Touch and the quality of the integrated grinder was something that I was questioning.
I lost my faith after my barista pro broke down with just 3 years of use. I use to make 3 espressos per day average.The cost to fix it is half the price of the machine. The technicians told me it's not worth fixing it because they have seen many faults in this model and they cannot guarantee even one more year of good function.. I am very disappointed..
Thank you for your help. I have the express now so I think I will upgrade to the Bro or dual boiler. I love in Israel so the prices here are high. I already have a DF 64 Grinder. So I think dual boiler it might be best. Even though I may not use the grinder on the Bro version. I do like the look of the pro better than the dual boiler. But like you said it's a higher end machine
I would go with the dual boiler. You already have a proper espresso grinder and will notice a much bigger difference when upgrading to the dual boiler. Agree the Pro looks better.
Great comparison video! How about bambino plus with grinder comparing with barista pro? And for the grinder, which one do you think is better between breville grinder pro with baratza esp? Thank you!
Breville Touch Impress is excellent. You can watch our Barista Express Impress review and see how it makes better espresso and is much easier to use. The Touch Impress adds a better steam wand. You can find it here: amzn.to/4ekVCFC
@@KatieBates-SignatureHomes all of them have a stainless steel steam wand. Barista Pro, Bambino, and Touch have a more powerful wand. Touch has automatic frothing and cleaning and recommend that model if you like steaming milk - it’s discussed in the video.
A friend has told me to get a model with an automatic tamping system as they got sick of refinening the grind/settings every single time. Maybe they changed beans a lot. In this case, is the Barista Express Impress the go to if you dont have the budget for ORacle Touch? I was going to go the Barista Pro for the Thermojet, but now am scared after hearing people get sick or refining the settings all the time
@@DanOates1 auto tamping sure makes you’re life easier, and I like the Barista Express Impress. There’s also a Barista Touch Impress with tamping and a nice steam wand. Check those out first - Oracle Touch is becoming obsolete and too expensive…
We covered this in another video, and you can change the inner burr for all the Barista models. Even after adjusting it on the Barista Express, still get stuck on a few settings.
Yes! Same Thermojet heating system and vibratory pump. I recommend Bambino as no-frills and budget option, as it has the same internals as higher-end machines.
I saw and tried it at the SCA Expo before it was released. If you can afford it, go for it. The dual ThermoJet is better than the dual boiler (which I have tried). The grinder, interface, and steam wand are all improved. It's definitely an upgrade, and I'm so impressed with Breville for making it. I just want it to be cheaper...but I think the price makes sense and is better than a dual boiler, imo.
That is a brand new model this month - Barista Touch Impress. Takes the Barista Touch in this video and adds self-tamping and a new steam. Just released, and I need to check it out.
Just wrote about the Touch Impress vs the Touch in this video. In short, the Touch Impress is excellent if you have a $1500 budget. It has so many convenience features and makes some tweaks to espresso brewing and milk frothing. I really like it. Read more here -> craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/breville-barista-touch-impress-vs-touch/
@@craftcoffeespotThank you for the thorough comparison. Impress does sound like a great addition especially for homes with people who want a more foolproof and straightforward workflow. I think I also read somewhere that the grinder in impress is different -same grinder as the oracle. I wonder if that’s true.
Thanks. The hopper is bigger, so I thought grinder might be upgraded too. I bought the impress, does not disappoint at all. IMO in this comparison review Barista Touch Impress can replace the dual boiler as a high-end semi automatic choice. There are really minimum benefits for a home user to choose dual boiler over the touch impress. It just went from $CAD 2200 down to $CAD 1750 in Canada.
I hang onto most machines as they often get used in later testing (storage nightmare). You can always use the link in the description to purchase! Regardless, thank you for your support!!
@@craftcoffeespot Okay just thought I would ask. Trying to save a few dollars. I bet it is a storage nightmare, hence why I was trying to help you out. LOLOLOL 😆 if you ever decide to sell, please pm me. I know you take care of your units!
Barista Touch is definitely easier to use. The Barista Touch has a nice automatic steam wand. It’s makes your life a lot easier, but the machines have the same heating system, so the espresso drinks are exactly the same. We compare the Barista Pro vs Touch here: ruclips.net/video/xdyNHmhw_es/видео.html
@@rosepop4016 the Touch screen works really well. Almost a year and no issues. Also, I’ve never heard of anyone having an issue with the screen either. I was skeptical but it’s high quality.
Which one would you suggest: the bambino plus with a baratza encore or a barista pro? I usually drink a lot of latte and think the bambino plus' frothing will really help - but, I'm torn
I’d still recommend Barista Pro for espresso and lattes. The Bambino Plus steam wand works, but it’s a little limited (I use only one setting). But, if you’re using the Baratza for other coffee, that combo can be valuable. Or, get Bambino Plus and a better grinder, like DF64 or Eureka Mignon - then you’ll be pulling much better espresso too.
@@craftcoffeespot thank you so much for the detailed response! is the steam wand on the Bambino plus the same as the one on pro? Except the auto portion? Or, is it manually more limited than the pro?
@@balar2411 yes, and yes. Same wand except auto function, and manual is limited to one position on the Plus (lifted up at an angle with no rotation). You can still figure out manual frothing on the Bambino Plus - it will take some trial and error, but I’ve worked with worse!
Yes, it is. Lot of control and better flavor. Really dry steam for a good milk. But, a better grinder will have more impact than the dual boiler. The ThermoJet is still really good, maybe 80% the quality of a dual boiler (and it’s a lot cheaper). So, look into a good espresso grinder first. We have options listed here: craftcoffeespot.com/grinder/best-coffee-grinder-for-espresso/
First buy a cheap/average price unit you can afford, learn as much as possible, save as much as you can at the same time once you learn enough, buy the most expensive + features that you afford. i own a Bambino, not that good, change to Sunbeam new model Origins Expresso, I love mine, wait for sale it can drop to less $650.
I appreciate the time you take on reviews. However, after thinking things through more I have to say that integrating a grinder into the coffee maker has more drawbacks then benefits. First the quality of the integrated grinders is lower than some reasonably priced grinders out there. In fact most reviewer mention that the grinder is the first thing you will upgrade, leaving you with an expresso maker with a very large footprint in your kitchen. Second, keeping them separate keeps future upgrade prices lower since you only need to upgrade one or them. Third if the grinder on the all in one unit breaks (not likely that you will get this repaired or at least good luck doing that) you are again stuck with buying another grinder and having a very big coffee maker. Fourth, it's hard to see how an integrated grinder makes things all that much simpler. I suppose that fact that you can plug the portafilter directly in is nice but it's not all that hard to take measured ground coffee out of a container and put it into a portafilter. It's maybe 10-30 seconds of time. So, while it's sounds nice to have it all in one, it just seems like they either need to put a grinder in there that is as good as any other expresso grinder or just keep them separate. I'd rather they stay separate and they spent more time making all the components and materials just slightly higher in quality so they last longer and are easier to maintain.
This is a great video but I’m still not sure!! My delonghi magnifica has just packed in and is going back to delonghi so I’m torn between a bambino plus with a separate grinder or the touch. I assume the touch is a big step up from my delonghi? I’d love to think I have time to create delicious coffee every morning but I just don’t which is why I’m taken towards the touch over the bambino plus. Thoughts?
I think you’ll really like the Touch - steam wand is excellent, you can really customize the milk. I’ve used a DeLonghi Magnifica and it makes nice espresso, and expect a short learning curve for either Breville, but you’ll be really happy with the Touch for lattes, and you won’t need to buy two appliances. If you’re just doing espresso/Americano, Bambino Plus and Encore ESP grinder is not that hard, but you will need a scale to weigh out your coffee dose though. Milk frothing on the Touch is 💯 imo.
That's a VERY new model. It's the Touch with the self-leveling tamper. They upgraded the steam wand as well and increased the price. Idk as this just came out, but I think the Touch is quite good as is and you can do good puck prep with a WDT and a self-leveling tamper.
Beware the Bambino plus. All the lights have a tendency to flash at the same time. It has nothing to do with descaling or cleaning. If this happens then the machine requires to be repaired by a specialist and this is expensive. I wish I had known about this before wasting my money.
Is your Plus under warranty? You should register it with Breville and send it in to get repaired. This can happen to any Breville machine (or any espresso machine) and registering your product under warranty will help a ton.
After watching this, the Oracle Touch seems like the logical choice, but MAN are the reviews bad. Lots of reports of inconsistency and worse yet, machines breaking. Sigh. Back to the drawing board of figuring out which machine to get. Ugh.
I would look into the Barista Touch Impress. It came out after this video and is a pleasure to use with a great steam wand, espresso is a tad worse than Oracle, and it’s wayyy cheaper. If I reshot this video today, I’d push the Impress models more. Read our article on the Touch Impress here: craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/breville-barista-touch-impress-vs-touch/
@@Yagizino idk, dual boiler is big and long heat up. Not for all start home baristas. Extra $500 for same temperature and nice frothing seems like a better bet. I’m still recommending basic Barista Touch or Pro, or barebones Bambino for value.
In a home I do not see any advantage whatsoever for a dual boiler espresso machine. Even in a house full party with 30 or 40 people. I've never had to worry about a line of people waiting for espresso or cappuccino or whatever. So that argument is totally BS. I'm not saying don't buy one. Not to mention having your espresso machine warm up for 20 minutes plus is simply for a home a little bit on the goofy side, but I get people including myself can be goofy about that. I'm just putting it out there that there's a reality and then there's what we want. If you're talking about speed .. the Barista Touch is ready in a matter of 3 seconds. As far as the head, portafilter and even your cup temperatures, I can run water through it and my portafilter for about 2-4 seconds .. BINGO, wipe dry, dose and grind and have your puck prep done in under 30 seconds. For the 30 seconds that your espresso is brewing .. go to the refrigerator and ready your milk and put it back in the refrigerator. I seriously doubt that you're wasting time at this point. Then you can finish and clean in another 20 seconds and turn off your Touch. What I also like about it is there's no way in hell that you're going to get the temperature as accurate as 'palming it' with your guesstimate hand 'feeling' temperatures, as it does this very consistently. The biggest thing that changes the taste more than anything, besides grinding, is puck prep. Those automatic prep only tamp and can detect ground levels on some models .. I always weigh out my coffee beans and WDT which is absolutely something none of these machines can do. Bottom line on the Barista Touch I can make better espresso because I care about my results then I get from going to even my best coffee shop. Beyond that, it's like an audiophile going down the rabbit hole and spending silly amounts of money with 1% or maybe a whole whopping 3% return for an additional $2,000. For some they couldn't care less, for 99% they do. Instead, spend your money on better coffee beans with a much higher ROI!!!
Your complaining the thermocoil is dated when the most common system the boiler as used on the most expensive coffee machines was on the patent for the improved espresso machine in 1901. 🤣🤣🤡🤡
the BDB came out before all of these machies so calling the heating system "entirely new" is patently false and straightup marketing hooey from Breville.
@@craftcoffeespot thermocoils and thermoblock heating systems are better choices for non enthusiasts. BDBs had its place in the espresso market but there are bar better machines I’m in the price range made it pretty much an obsolete choice for discriminating home enthusiasts. Better is a highly subjective term anyway. I’d be hard pressed to recommend the BDB for anyone who wants great espresso with little fuss. And don’t be so easy to rule out thermoblock and thermocoil-based heating systems. I owned a Welhome KD-310VPS that used a triple thermoblock heating system that offered the ability to brew and steam at the same time. And the steam performance was on par with prosumer boiler espresso machines.
@@craftcoffeespot well better is a subjective term. It might be better performing but not where it matters for the market they are targeting. Thermocoils and thermoblocks offer a far more efficient and less fussy home experience.
@@mohgujai I test that on this video: ruclips.net/video/8PdlSD9zMXM/видео.htmlsi=uHUfNKfxrHtdHLLi Personally, I use a Bambino regular and DF64 - killer combo for cheap.
Niestety nie polecam tego expresu. Po dwóch latach użytkowania pękła uszczelka grupy-czyli znajdująca się pod kolbą. Niestety element nie jest dostępny w sprzedaży w żadnym serwisie, kontaktowałem się również z breville polska i potwierdzili że nie ma tego elementu w sprzedaży. Zatem brak dostępności podstawowych części eksploatacyjnych. Jedyne rozwiązanie to ekspres za 2tys wyrzucić i kupić nowy - na pewno nie od tego producenta. Nie polecam.
I would never buy a Breville machine again...they have a repair and parts policy like John Deer. No independent coffee repair company will help with repairs either. I became so frustrated that I placed the machine on my garage floor and took a 5 lb. hammer to it. They are a ripoff company!!!
What went wrong? Couldn't you get it covered under warranty? Seems like there are people out there to repair these things. Not to mention YT repair videos.
@@anonymousonlineuser6543 released after the video…short answer: Touch Impress is great. Pressure is better which makes better espresso, heats faster, and great wand. Fixed all flaws of prior and add improvements. Excellent.
We reviewed the Barista Express Impress - worth watching if you're debating the Barista Pro: ruclips.net/video/ElpOx2aeWEc/видео.html
@craftcoffeespot Great vids! How close do you think the coffee quality (milk based) does the bambino plus get to the dual boiler? Say 98% or near enough, better than any high-street Cafe? Can light roast be made in the bambino Plus or dual boiler? Thanks
@@hash5191 depends on your skill level and desire for perfection. Once I got really into espresso, the dual boiler felt night and day to the Bambino. DB has bigger portafilter and more control. Bet lots of “espresso aficionados” would agree. That said, I moved back to a bambino to save space and am really happy with it! Bambino is still really good, and yes, I am able to dial in light roasts with it.
Finally a RUclips product reviewer that bought the products with his own money and didn't do the review to get free stuff. Thank you!
😂 calm down
Are you serious? Do you believe this information is accurate? He acquired it without cost. There's a growing concern about RUclips content creators engaging in deceptive practices for personal gain, suggesting a lack of moral compass in most RUclips content creators
@@coreykelly2523 Sure, some people might do that. But why do you think this would be the case here? I find his reviews well done, and love the way he presents info. I've been looking for this kind of info for about 3 days... glad I found it here.
admire the commitment you put to describe all those products for the viewers! defenetely helped me to choose which one i wanted! thank you
I feel like you were inspired to make this just for me. I have been researching for weeks trying to decide which Breville is best for me. Thank you!
Just picked up a barista touch at bed bath and beyond’s going out of business sale for 650. I’ve got to say, coming from having no background in espresso, it performs impeccably. The automation and intuitive ease of use make this machine something my family is happy to use first thing in the morning. The auto steamer is a game changer that I’m not sure I can ever backtrack from. We love it
Great feedback and agree. I’m going to my local Bed bath and Beyond to see if anything is left!
Oh plz send me the location I’ll go get me one which store ?
make sure you do the descale often, i left mine until it told me to do it onscreen and it got clogged up and doesn't work now, has really fine tubes in the heater that clog easily
This is probably the most helpful and instructional video I have watched on RUclips.
Thank you for that feedback. It is very motivating :).
Thank you for such a comprehensive comparison of some of the most popular Breville espresso machines. My paralysis by analysis is done!
Thanks for the good briefing on various types of Breville models. Temperature control is also one of the critical feature which is good to have. I owned a Bambino Plus, I had assessed its brewing temperature which is relatively lower than i had anticipated. As a general practice, I need to flush out at least 1-2 times before starting the actual brewing. Because the 1st flush temp is about 82-85C, 2nd flush is about 88 to 90C, 3rd flush is about 90-95C. If you are very particular about the brewing temp, then you need to flush out 2 times first. However, these steps will reduce the thermojet lifespan. If you are not so particular about the temp, then Breville is just fine for you.
What about the temperature control on breville batista pro?
Mine is pretty consistent at around 82C once in the cup as porcelain (loveramic), do remember that the cup itself cools down the water pretty quick and it loses heat as it falls.
So my general flow is insert portafilter, pull a double shot with nothing in it with cup under, it heats the cup, meanwhile measure beans into dosing cup and throw into hopper. Grind it into dosing cup, and start hot water on the side, once grind is finished, cup is mostly full, so stop the hot water. Take out portafilter, quick wipe so dry, flip dosing cup onto/into portafilter and pull the shot.
If you'd like to get it hotter, use a glass instead, ups it by around 2-3C, and you can kind of skip the extra hot water, just heat up the portafilter.
I've had a Breville BES840XL for a decade and I've never had a lick of problems. Yes, I do regular maintenance. I can't say the same for my Breville Smart Grinder...it chokes easily on light and even some medium roasts.
Good job.
you forgot however to mention that the grinder is better on the oracle.
Just got the touch and I’m so excited! Love your review!
@@haleybeuthel_lotr thanks! Glad it helped!
Just subscribed to your channel. Thank you so much for this information! You get straight to the point without waffling on like others do! Awesome job!
Very good description of the models without getting scientific
Thank you for the compliment! I keep these accessible while assuming our audience is quite smart ;)
This was incredibly helpful, thank you so much
amazing review! Exactly what I needed to pick my first coffee machine!
Trying to find the perfect model for Christmas. Thanks
Thanks for the unbiased review of each one of these machines. I was already thinking to go for the Batista Touch coming in to watching the video but now I am absolutely certain it is the best one for me. Just gotta save up first now because they aint cheap!
@@RickRobinsonDonnellan they go on sale periodically. One during May, Prime Day, and another in Sept/Oct. also check FB marketplace - you can find used ones of good quality. It’s how I bought several machines!
Great video. I have a barista express first generation machine with the square top integrated grinder which is about 15 years old. Im using it daily for several months making about 4 lattes each day. Finally got into freshly roasted expresso beans and keeping the machine clean in and out. Installed a new group head nylon gasket. I weigh the beans (15g) and have the grind size down. My yield in 30 seconds is approximately 28 g. Milk steam quickly and the drink is hot. Any suggestions for replacing things like shower screens or adding a bottomless porta filter would be appreciated. Thank you. Joseph.
The oracle touch has alot of problems with heating up after descaling. It is a very common issue. I have the oracle for 1,5 year. Descaled it every 6 weeks as recommended. After a year I had the first issue with heating and internal leakage. Send it for repair amd was fixed. Advice to descale more often. Ok every 4 weeks. Now 5 months later, after descaling again issue with heating. So it sucks. Because this big machine was expensive. I still have waranty for about 6 months but the fact it keeps hapening sucks because it will happen after warranty.
Thanks for the feedback, although that sucks to hear. I hope Breville replaced that one promptly, especially for such an expensive model.
Thank you for the comparison vid!
Great video thanks for your time much appreciated.
Glad it helped :). Let me know if you need anything else.
Great review and tips to narrow down
Great video and love the thorough explanations and research!!
Thank you!
really excellent details and review! thank you! How does the Breville compare to an Italian built machine?
great video and infortmation buddy. thanks a lot!
Very good video! I wish I had watched your video before buying though. Well... at least I can watch now and be extra happy with my Touch XD.
Hi, thanks for your comment.
I hope you wouldn't mind if I asked you a little more about your Barista Touch experience.
When did you buy it? How is the performance and your satisfaction with it?
How good is the grinder?
Very, very intensive.
This is amazing!
Just got the express impress with the cyber week sale. The assisted tamping isn’t just about tamping, it’s about taking one big thing out of the “dial in” equation. The slower boiler is probably a good starting point for me even though it might not have the most robust temperature stability. I’ve heard you just heat up the portafilter first and that should go a long way.
I reviewed the Impress after this video. You can see several things that change my view here -> ruclips.net/video/ElpOx2aeWEc/видео.htmlsi=pyS0Xeuvdzpazd7b
Thank you so much for the stat chart. Very useful!!
Glad it helps! You can find it in our blog too, where we'll keep updating it.
Great information thank you. I have the Breville barista touch, which is fantastic for me as I have cerebral palsy so cannot do a lot of manual work one thing I can’t seem to get right is the grind size. My other complaint is that even on the hottest setting it does not seem to make an extremely hot coffee. I’m not sure if I’m doing something wrong.
Please watch our other video on Breville tips. This will answer some questions on grind size and heat: ruclips.net/video/A7_6QX4GD6E/видео.htmlsi=QXzHSrOtwfXZcD8a
excellent video mate. thank you
You're very welcome. Let me know if you have any other questions.
*We have more Breville videos!*
Bambino vs Bambino Plus: ruclips.net/video/Ik3ZgfGaKgM/видео.html
Barista Pro vs Express: ruclips.net/video/qX-Pm3Ue92E/видео.html
Barista Touch vs Pro: ruclips.net/video/xdyNHmhw_es/видео.html
Breville Barista Pro (dialing in): ruclips.net/video/buiIX23KBvY/видео.html
Breville Barista Touch (full review): ruclips.net/video/1usawKQXtkw/видео.html
Soooo helpful! thank you!
Thank you that was great and informative to me
Thank you so much! This helps!
Thank you for the very detailed comparison. Do these machines also do ok with plant based milks- like oat milk, etc?
@@sar7719 yes, they do. Plant based takes a little more learning. Also, the thermojet machines have better control of steam wand. So the Bambino’s, Pro, and Touch are better options there, especially the Barista Touch.
Terrific, Thank you!
Great vid, thank u
Great Video. Is there any information of an upcoming update regarding the Heating System of the Barista Express Impress ? Thanks.
Yes, we have a whole video deep dive on the Express Impress - it’s a great model. You can watch it here: ruclips.net/video/ElpOx2aeWEc/видео.htmlsi=Fvl07iR8gV49lVm8
WELL DONE👏
You are the man bro
You mentioned that the wand on the Bambino Plus isn’t your favorite. Is it because it’s automatic or does it not steam as fast as the Bambino? 2:09
Don’t think the automatic wand is worth the price. Watch my other video comparing Bambino vs Bambino Plus.
I’ve been using my bambino plus for three and half years and it’s working like the first day I got it. The drip tray has a crack on the plastic bottom part and I wasn’t able to replace it cause they stopped the royal champagne color…. Just don’t put it into the dishwasher even though it says on the instruction book that the drip tray is safe for top rack dishwashing… now I’m thinking of upgrading my machine to a barista touch/ touch impress. Really want the oracle but the price uhhh😢😢😢😢
The Touch Impress will get you really close to an Oracle. I was comparing the Bambino vs Dual Boiler head-to-head and the espresso is not that far off. Dual Boiler is better, but Thermojet is quite good. (Might be another video comparison 🙃). The Touch steam wand is def better than the Bambino Plus too.
Also, underrated how long Brevilles can last if well maintained. My Bambino runs like a champ.
One major upgrade to the dual boiler is the move from a small strange 54 mm portafilter to a full size 58 mm portafilter.
Breville Barista Touch .. is something that I've highly recommended to all of our friends who have multiple coffee lovers in their home with various skill levels. Not everyone wants to make a hobby out of making espresso.
My recommend add-ons:
1. $32 GeeAnkok's Premium 54mm Naked Bottomless Portafilter.
2. $43 Normcore V4 Coffee Tamper 53.3mm - Spring-loaded Tamper
3. $28 IMS Precision (1TH23) 18-22 g filter basket B62.52TH28E compatible with 54mm Breville
4. $59 TIMEMORE 2022 New Version Digital Espresso Coffee Scales (or a newer version)
5. $22 Crema Coffee Products | 54mm Espresso Dosing Funnel
6. $36 Normcore WDT Distribution Tool V2.1 with Stand - 0.23mm 8 Prong Espresso Distribution Tool (the holder makes it nice)
_7. ($99) St. Anthony's .. The Bloc Espresso Knock Box + Tamp Station_
_The Saint Anthony's tamp station to me is a beautiful thing, but it depends upon your accessories. I have distribution tools that it didn't list that look nice in it along with that calibrated tamper. It also includes a stainless steel knock station, but if you're making a lot of espresso obviously it's going to be too small for that purpose._
Clearly if you're a hobbyist then the sky's the limit. I'd say for the hobbyist I would spend at least $300 on a grinder if not $500. And I probably would spend $2,000 on an espresso machine that has a 58 mm standard portafilter. A Decent espresso machine is a great thing for the techie. I like some of the commercial or quasi commercial grinders including those that can detect exact distances of their grinding platforms. Example Mahlkönig’s DDD technology.
.. a technique that I've learned and has served me well is using that funnel that I described above is to move the portafilter in a circular fashion making certain that the grounds are as evenly distributed as possible while grinding into the portafilter. Then WDT from the bottom up and optionally with a distributor to smooth out the surface and then finally with a calibrated tamper finish. It's served me well and it's super easy.
Great video. Do you have an updated comparison chart that includes the new models like the jet?
We updated our chart for the "Impress" models: craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/best-breville-espresso-machine/
The Jet is brand new, and I'd put it right between Touch Impress and Dual Boiler. Frankly, if you are consider Dual Boiler or Breville ORacle, just get the Jet. We also reviewed the Jet here: craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/breville-oracle-jet-review/
@@craftcoffeespot heads up regarding a typo in the oracle jet review: "heating system inside the machine and in the *gorup* head".
Interesting review.
@@Masterrunescapeer noted!
I'll save u all time here and just go with dual boiler and u won't be disappointed!
Thanks man!
Great video, no tengo varo pero quiero comprar una!
Update as of 2023: in 2020 Breville bought Baratza.
From 2023 and on the barista pro, barista touch, barista touch impress, oracle, and oracle touch come with a baratza grinder integrated)
Now, dieling new coffees is easier and faster without the grinder's gears stripping, not to mention better grinding consistency and uniformity.
No, the new barista express impress does not come with this new grinder. Mayor deal breaker for me on the Barista express impress.
@@zaqueodeleon good feedback!
Thanks. This is excellent info. I just googled the same as well after reading your comment.
Everywhere on reddit, I have heard poor/average reviews of Sage/Breville grinders. Knowing that Baratza grinders are integrated in Barista Touch is a relief.
I am thinking of purchasing the Barista Touch and the quality of the integrated grinder was something that I was questioning.
I lost my faith after my barista pro broke down with just 3 years of use. I use to make 3 espressos per day average.The cost to fix it is half the price of the machine. The technicians told me it's not worth fixing it because they have seen many faults in this model and they cannot guarantee even one more year of good function.. I am very disappointed..
That’s a bummer. I’d expect 5 years and have seen Brevilles last that long.
I've had the Cafe Roma for about 15 years. So it's not all models that have issues.
Thank you for your help. I have the express now so I think I will upgrade to the Bro or dual boiler. I love in Israel so the prices here are high.
I already have a DF 64 Grinder. So I think dual boiler it might be best.
Even though I may not use the grinder on the Bro version.
I do like the look of the pro better than the dual boiler. But like you said it's a higher end machine
I would go with the dual boiler. You already have a proper espresso grinder and will notice a much bigger difference when upgrading to the dual boiler. Agree the Pro looks better.
*Palestine
@yestoheaven Palestine eh? Should be renamed ruble or moonscape or something like that...
Thank you 😊
I like your analysis ,can you do analysis of Ultimacosa espresso machine?I 'm thinking to get one,but I don't know it's good or not.Thank you.
I’ll check it out.
Thank you@@craftcoffeespot
Thanks, man! Awesome work!
Great comparison video! How about bambino plus with grinder comparing with barista pro? And for the grinder, which one do you think is better between breville grinder pro with baratza esp? Thank you!
I have a whole video comparing this: ruclips.net/video/8PdlSD9zMXM/видео.htmlsi=xovjU3Ro6IrVIEkB (applies to Pro too)
I like Baratza Encore ESP more.
@@craftcoffeespot Yes, I watched that video also. I think I will choose bambino pro with grinder. Thank you!
What do you think of the Breville touch impresss. That’s the one I’m thinking of getting.
Breville Touch Impress is excellent. You can watch our Barista Express Impress review and see how it makes better espresso and is much easier to use. The Touch Impress adds a better steam wand. You can find it here: amzn.to/4ekVCFC
Please help! Which machines have an all stainless Steele water path and steam wand? Looking at barista pro
@@KatieBates-SignatureHomes all of them have a stainless steel steam wand. Barista Pro, Bambino, and Touch have a more powerful wand.
Touch has automatic frothing and cleaning and recommend that model if you like steaming milk - it’s discussed in the video.
Would like to see where the Barista Express Impress would fall into this review.
Thanks for the feedback and will work on that one.
Im going for the touch. Ease of use sealed the deal for me.
Good call for that reason. You’ll like the steam wand.
A friend has told me to get a model with an automatic tamping system as they got sick of refinening the grind/settings every single time. Maybe they changed beans a lot. In this case, is the Barista Express Impress the go to if you dont have the budget for ORacle Touch? I was going to go the Barista Pro for the Thermojet, but now am scared after hearing people get sick or refining the settings all the time
@@DanOates1 auto tamping sure makes you’re life easier, and I like the Barista Express Impress. There’s also a Barista Touch Impress with tamping and a nice steam wand. Check those out first - Oracle Touch is becoming obsolete and too expensive…
You should mention that besides the 16 grind size settings on barista express you can also adjust the burr settings giving many more than 16 settings.
We covered this in another video, and you can change the inner burr for all the Barista models. Even after adjusting it on the Barista Express, still get stuck on a few settings.
nice job.
Morning, Quick question. is the heating and pump\ guts of the bambino espresso part the same as in the Touch?
Yes! Same Thermojet heating system and vibratory pump. I recommend Bambino as no-frills and budget option, as it has the same internals as higher-end machines.
@@craftcoffeespot Thank you so much for the honesty and amazing reviews. I am subing your channel right now.
@@NWcpl thank you!
Marko, have you gotten to try the Oracle Jet? Curious if it's worth the splurge.
I saw and tried it at the SCA Expo before it was released. If you can afford it, go for it. The dual ThermoJet is better than the dual boiler (which I have tried). The grinder, interface, and steam wand are all improved. It's definitely an upgrade, and I'm so impressed with Breville for making it. I just want it to be cheaper...but I think the price makes sense and is better than a dual boiler, imo.
The impress has thermaljet heating and the micro foam steamer??This is also touch model.
That is a brand new model this month - Barista Touch Impress. Takes the Barista Touch in this video and adds self-tamping and a new steam. Just released, and I need to check it out.
How about touch impress? Would be nice to see where it sits.
Just wrote about the Touch Impress vs the Touch in this video. In short, the Touch Impress is excellent if you have a $1500 budget. It has so many convenience features and makes some tweaks to espresso brewing and milk frothing. I really like it. Read more here -> craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/breville-barista-touch-impress-vs-touch/
@@craftcoffeespotThank you for the thorough comparison. Impress does sound like a great addition especially for homes with people who want a more foolproof and straightforward workflow. I think I also read somewhere that the grinder in impress is different -same grinder as the oracle. I wonder if that’s true.
@@ilkaythe pretty sure the grinders are the same, but Impress has small upgrades everywhere else.
Thanks. The hopper is bigger, so I thought grinder might be upgraded too. I bought the impress, does not disappoint at all. IMO in this comparison review Barista Touch Impress can replace the dual boiler as a high-end semi automatic choice. There are really minimum benefits for a home user to choose dual boiler over the touch impress. It just went from $CAD 2200 down to $CAD 1750 in Canada.
@@ilkaythe thanks for that feedback! I’ll have to follow-up on the Touch Impress.
Is there any difference in cleaning effort between the models?
No - it's the same for each.
I'm interested in buying one of these machines from you like the pro or touch. !!!!!!!! Figured it wouldn't hurt to ask 🙂
I hang onto most machines as they often get used in later testing (storage nightmare). You can always use the link in the description to purchase! Regardless, thank you for your support!!
@@craftcoffeespot Okay just thought I would ask. Trying to save a few dollars. I bet it is a storage nightmare, hence why I was trying to help you out. LOLOLOL 😆 if you ever decide to sell, please pm me. I know you take care of your units!
Which is the easiest to use - the Barista Pro or the Barista Touch? And which one is the best machine?
Barista Touch is definitely easier to use. The Barista Touch has a nice automatic steam wand. It’s makes your life a lot easier, but the machines have the same heating system, so the espresso drinks are exactly the same. We compare the Barista Pro vs Touch here: ruclips.net/video/xdyNHmhw_es/видео.html
@@craftcoffeespot Thank you!
@@craftcoffeespot they be saying that the touch in a few months won’t work anymore since it’s touch which makes me don’t want to buy it !
@@rosepop4016 the Touch screen works really well. Almost a year and no issues. Also, I’ve never heard of anyone having an issue with the screen either. I was skeptical but it’s high quality.
Thank you.
Which one would you suggest: the bambino plus with a baratza encore or a barista pro? I usually drink a lot of latte and think the bambino plus' frothing will really help - but, I'm torn
I’d still recommend Barista Pro for espresso and lattes. The Bambino Plus steam wand works, but it’s a little limited (I use only one setting).
But, if you’re using the Baratza for other coffee, that combo can be valuable. Or, get Bambino Plus and a better grinder, like DF64 or Eureka Mignon - then you’ll be pulling much better espresso too.
@@craftcoffeespot thank you so much for the detailed response! is the steam wand on the Bambino plus the same as the one on pro? Except the auto portion? Or, is it manually more limited than the pro?
@@balar2411 yes, and yes. Same wand except auto function, and manual is limited to one position on the Plus (lifted up at an angle with no rotation).
You can still figure out manual frothing on the Bambino Plus - it will take some trial and error, but I’ve worked with worse!
So is the double boiler a solid product?
Yes, it is. Lot of control and better flavor. Really dry steam for a good milk.
But, a better grinder will have more impact than the dual boiler. The ThermoJet is still really good, maybe 80% the quality of a dual boiler (and it’s a lot cheaper). So, look into a good espresso grinder first. We have options listed here: craftcoffeespot.com/grinder/best-coffee-grinder-for-espresso/
Touch does not have dual boiler ?
@@capgains no. Single thermojet
Which models have volumetric control?
All of them have preset volume controls. Only the Touch doses based on time.
First buy a cheap/average price unit you can afford, learn as much as possible, save as much as you can at the same time once you learn enough, buy the most expensive + features that you afford.
i own a Bambino, not that good, change to Sunbeam new model Origins Expresso, I love mine, wait for sale it can drop to less $650.
I appreciate the time you take on reviews. However, after thinking things through more I have to say that integrating a grinder into the coffee maker has more drawbacks then benefits. First the quality of the integrated grinders is lower than some reasonably priced grinders out there. In fact most reviewer mention that the grinder is the first thing you will upgrade, leaving you with an expresso maker with a very large footprint in your kitchen. Second, keeping them separate keeps future upgrade prices lower since you only need to upgrade one or them. Third if the grinder on the all in one unit breaks (not likely that you will get this repaired or at least good luck doing that) you are again stuck with buying another grinder and having a very big coffee maker. Fourth, it's hard to see how an integrated grinder makes things all that much simpler. I suppose that fact that you can plug the portafilter directly in is nice but it's not all that hard to take measured ground coffee out of a container and put it into a portafilter. It's maybe 10-30 seconds of time. So, while it's sounds nice to have it all in one, it just seems like they either need to put a grinder in there that is as good as any other expresso grinder or just keep them separate. I'd rather they stay separate and they spent more time making all the components and materials just slightly higher in quality so they last longer and are easier to maintain.
You should watch this video. It covers exactly this:
ruclips.net/video/8PdlSD9zMXM/видео.html
Do they have STAINLESS STEEL BOILERS?
Yes, they do.
If they do, why can't I find any information on it? Or a picture?@@craftcoffeespot
This is a great video but I’m still not sure!! My delonghi magnifica has just packed in and is going back to delonghi so I’m torn between a bambino plus with a separate grinder or the touch. I assume the touch is a big step up from my delonghi? I’d love to think I have time to create delicious coffee every morning but I just don’t which is why I’m taken towards the touch over the bambino plus. Thoughts?
I think you’ll really like the Touch - steam wand is excellent, you can really customize the milk. I’ve used a DeLonghi Magnifica and it makes nice espresso, and expect a short learning curve for either Breville, but you’ll be really happy with the Touch for lattes, and you won’t need to buy two appliances.
If you’re just doing espresso/Americano, Bambino Plus and Encore ESP grinder is not that hard, but you will need a scale to weigh out your coffee dose though. Milk frothing on the Touch is 💯 imo.
Impress touch?
That's a VERY new model. It's the Touch with the self-leveling tamper. They upgraded the steam wand as well and increased the price.
Idk as this just came out, but I think the Touch is quite good as is and you can do good puck prep with a WDT and a self-leveling tamper.
Beware the Bambino plus. All the lights have a tendency to flash at the same time. It has nothing to do with descaling or cleaning. If this happens then the machine requires to be repaired by a specialist and this is expensive. I wish I had known about this before wasting my money.
Is your Plus under warranty? You should register it with Breville and send it in to get repaired. This can happen to any Breville machine (or any espresso machine) and registering your product under warranty will help a ton.
Sunbean Barista Max. To many issues with Brevelle and the jugs to prove it.
@@me-cq7wv that’s a pretty old model. Looks very different than any one I have used.
After watching this, the Oracle Touch seems like the logical choice, but MAN are the reviews bad. Lots of reports of inconsistency and worse yet, machines breaking. Sigh. Back to the drawing board of figuring out which machine to get. Ugh.
I would look into the Barista Touch Impress. It came out after this video and is a pleasure to use with a great steam wand, espresso is a tad worse than Oracle, and it’s wayyy cheaper. If I reshot this video today, I’d push the Impress models more. Read our article on the Touch Impress here: craftcoffeespot.com/espresso/breville-barista-touch-impress-vs-touch/
@@craftcoffeespot that's exactly where I've settled out. Thanks for the awesome content and response!
Both Oracle models have auto tamp
That’s correct and my mistake. Thank you for pointing that out.
just get the oracle touch and never have problems again. Thats my story,
@@Yagizino there’s an Oracle Jet coming to market later this year. That will be a great high end option.
@@craftcoffeespot oracle jet is too pricey for what it is. dual boiler is the way
@@Yagizino idk, dual boiler is big and long heat up. Not for all start home baristas. Extra $500 for same temperature and nice frothing seems like a better bet.
I’m still recommending basic Barista Touch or Pro, or barebones Bambino for value.
"rarely goes above 9" . gauge instantly goes to 10 lmao
You should see the Breville Barista Express! Big improvement. But yea, you got me on that one 😅 - more like “stays in a range of 8-10”
@@craftcoffeespot Hey, thanks for being a good sport. Great video and I appreciate you making it
@@surreptitiouswritings no worries - I can handle it. Thanks for compliment!
You don't want grinder made by breville anyway , it's junk , mine broke few times now , it does not like hard coffee beans
you are so adorable!!
In a home I do not see any advantage whatsoever for a dual boiler espresso machine. Even in a house full party with 30 or 40 people. I've never had to worry about a line of people waiting for espresso or cappuccino or whatever. So that argument is totally BS. I'm not saying don't buy one. Not to mention having your espresso machine warm up for 20 minutes plus is simply for a home a little bit on the goofy side, but I get people including myself can be goofy about that. I'm just putting it out there that there's a reality and then there's what we want.
If you're talking about speed .. the Barista Touch is ready in a matter of 3 seconds. As far as the head, portafilter and even your cup temperatures, I can run water through it and my portafilter for about 2-4 seconds .. BINGO, wipe dry, dose and grind and have your puck prep done in under 30 seconds. For the 30 seconds that your espresso is brewing .. go to the refrigerator and ready your milk and put it back in the refrigerator. I seriously doubt that you're wasting time at this point. Then you can finish and clean in another 20 seconds and turn off your Touch. What I also like about it is there's no way in hell that you're going to get the temperature as accurate as 'palming it' with your guesstimate hand 'feeling' temperatures, as it does this very consistently.
The biggest thing that changes the taste more than anything, besides grinding, is puck prep. Those automatic prep only tamp and can detect ground levels on some models .. I always weigh out my coffee beans and WDT which is absolutely something none of these machines can do.
Bottom line on the Barista Touch I can make better espresso because I care about my results then I get from going to even my best coffee shop. Beyond that, it's like an audiophile going down the rabbit hole and spending silly amounts of money with 1% or maybe a whole whopping 3% return for an additional $2,000. For some they couldn't care less, for 99% they do. Instead, spend your money on better coffee beans with a much higher ROI!!!
I advise not to buy the barista express, too expensive and not making great coffee
Agree - there are better options these days.
@@craftcoffeespot If I'm looking for an espresso machine in that price range (grinder included or not I do not care) what should I look for instead?
@@giovanniricupero654 Barista Pro for sure. It’s an upgrade all around at a modest premium. Or get the Bambino for value.
Your complaining the thermocoil is dated when the most common system the boiler as used on the most expensive coffee machines was on the patent for the improved espresso machine in 1901. 🤣🤣🤡🤡
Times have changed
Bro talks like he's skiing
@@stanleyclarke1264 I do ski.
the BDB came out before all of these machies so calling the heating system "entirely new" is patently false and straightup marketing hooey from Breville.
You got me on the syntax, but no doubt the dual boiler is a better heating system than thermocoils. They did refresh the BDB too.
@@craftcoffeespot thermocoils and thermoblock heating systems are better choices for non enthusiasts. BDBs had its place in the espresso market but there are bar better machines I’m in the price range made it pretty much an obsolete choice for discriminating home enthusiasts. Better is a highly subjective term anyway. I’d be hard pressed to recommend the BDB for anyone who wants great espresso with little fuss.
And don’t be so easy to rule out thermoblock and thermocoil-based heating systems. I owned a Welhome KD-310VPS that used a triple thermoblock heating system that offered the ability to brew and steam at the same time. And the steam performance was on par with prosumer boiler espresso machines.
@@craftcoffeespot well better is a subjective term. It might be better performing but not where it matters for the market they are targeting. Thermocoils and thermoblocks offer a far more efficient and less fussy home experience.
'Promo sm' 😬
Buy a Bambino (Plus) and get yourself a nice grinder, the Breville grinders are trash.
@@mohgujai I test that on this video: ruclips.net/video/8PdlSD9zMXM/видео.htmlsi=uHUfNKfxrHtdHLLi
Personally, I use a Bambino regular and DF64 - killer combo for cheap.
Niestety nie polecam tego expresu. Po dwóch latach użytkowania pękła uszczelka grupy-czyli znajdująca się pod kolbą. Niestety element nie jest dostępny w sprzedaży w żadnym serwisie, kontaktowałem się również z breville polska i potwierdzili że nie ma tego elementu w sprzedaży. Zatem brak dostępności podstawowych części eksploatacyjnych. Jedyne rozwiązanie to ekspres za 2tys wyrzucić i kupić nowy - na pewno nie od tego producenta. Nie polecam.
Agree - don't get the Express.
I would never buy a Breville machine again...they have a repair and parts policy like John Deer. No independent coffee repair company will help with repairs either. I became so frustrated that I placed the machine on my garage floor and took a 5 lb. hammer to it. They are a ripoff company!!!
What went wrong? Couldn't you get it covered under warranty? Seems like there are people out there to repair these things. Not to mention YT repair videos.
NONE. NOT REAL COFFEE MACHINES IF THEY ARE PRC. IN THE BIN.
Impress Touch i s missing.
@@anonymousonlineuser6543 released after the video…short answer: Touch Impress is great. Pressure is better which makes better espresso, heats faster, and great wand. Fixed all flaws of prior and add improvements. Excellent.