Ive watched about 10 full trials in my adulthood and I dont think Ive ever known someone was lying on the stand until I came to this trial. Not only did one person lie, every single witness has lied. They dont remember anything about anything, but somehow they ALL remember Miu saying "im looking for little girls" verbatim, to a T, without fail. Every single witness heard it somehow, yet nothing else this group of witnesses remembers was consistent. That one phrase that wasnt recorded on camera was remembered by all, and yet it doesnt make sense that he would say it and he did nothing to make you assume he would say it, and there were no little girls and he wasnt looking for any little girls. Furthermore, you can clearly see every witness on every day of this trial trying to figure out the angle of the question before answering it to the defense. Theres so much pushback, you can see the lying and manipulating going on and its disgusting. Self defense. Not guilty. Charge Jawahn for instigating and the two that assaulted him without having actually seen him punch the girl. They started everything and ensured he had to defend himself. He had no choice. He was simply looking for a phone, and as a result also his snorkel. He owed no explanation to anyone, those kids didnt own that part of the river, they could have simply kept floating down the river after the millisecond he touched their tube to see if the phone his friend lost was the one Jawahn was holding up to try and film some stupid Worldstar moment.
AMEN, I agree to Miu never having said a word about "lil girls" and it being the statement, agreed on by the lawyers, to be repeated by every young man. These Prosecution lawyers can't hold a candle to Miu's character. Their language is accusatory and disgusting, just like those remarks on the River.. I can understand why they, at least this one is defending bullies. Bullies and Narc's think their smarter than everyone else, and people don't see their lies and deceit. I agree with your assessment and glad you stood up for truth and Mr. Miu, Thank you!
If I am ever on trial, I want to be represented by this defense attorney. He is taking apart these witnesses one by one, and making them admit they had one account when the incident happened (truth), and another story when they are sitting in the witness box (tainted testimony).
Did anyone notice, Mui thought Anthony Carlson was going to help him up out of the water?? He reached out his hand and expected a human kindness?? Like someone should have?? But AC walked by him, then turned back and shouted at him. NO ONE helped or defended Mui, at all. I would have. Mui raised his arm 2 or 3 times for help. He was alone, and had every reason to fear and he was right, he was assaulted, first. Verbally then physically.
that guy AJ. was repeatedly pushing that guy back down into the water in the video. he was definately not just place his hand on the guys shoulder and missed.
@@crimetimefacts Over simplifying, they legitimately would not leave him the f*ck alone unless at their insistence he walk the opposite way down river away from his group.....who's doing that, simply because a bunch of entitled teens told you to? Yeah he lied to the police not a great look but you forget this man didn't set out that day to kill anyone, people panic and im fairly sure when the reality set in he didn't know what to do.
0:33 The guy is definitely innocent. At the bail hearing the state wanted a $500,000 bond. The defense asked for $50,000 with an ankle monitor and small boundary with weekly call in. So the judge ends up making it $1,000,000 cash bond. Wisconsin makes you pay 100% in cash btw. Now this guy has been sitting in prison for the lady 22 months. Just for protecting himself from a mob of drunken fools who believed they were beating a pedophile because drunk high schoolers decided to gas light an old man minding his own business. Discussing pieces of filth should be put away for years.
What would have happened if Mui didn’t defend himself? The kids surrounding him weren’t going to stop. They would have killed him if he didn’t defend himself. The crocodile tears from these kids aren’t working. I’m sorry they lost their friend and others were injured but what did they think was going to happen? “You play with fire you will get burned.”
(Zoë’s Mum) are you crazy- the kids were NOT hurting him and did NOT have weapons. He should have walked away, he kept approaching and hanging around them🤷🏼♀️You obviously have NOT watched the tape 🙄🤦🏼♀️😩🙇🏼♀️……..
Wait, Jawahn said Mui said “something about little girls” when They made 1st contact, (and then said none were in his group). Then his testimony changed to “he said he was looking for a little girls”. He calls Mui a rapist. Mui “looked really scary”, Jawahn, this big, strong football player, with all his friends, got scared by the dirty look the older man gave in response? Ok… While the mob continues to shout and taunt Mui, not leave, but follow him.
@@vladdestroyer5177they aren't lying. This happened 2 years ago when they were kids in highschool. It's a traumatic experience I'm sure they want to forget. Hell you weren't even there. How you know they're lying?
@@TheDkb427because none of their main claims ever end up on video but everything else does including them going Lord of the Flies on an older man who is clearly looking for a lost item in the water. Way too convenient.
@kellym4747 Never ever heard someone claiming self defense but lying about everything to the cops. Lied about having the knife, lied about taking the knife from the KIDS. No reason to tell so many lies if you’re claiming self defense. These kids never attacked him, they called him name (oh and they didn’t lie to police about calling him names) the were in there tubes going down river or by there tubs. This guy literally never left them alone. If he was scared all he had to do was keep going forward. Dude was being a creep and every drunk high school/college kid would have done the same. Stabbing 5 people, and killing one is not self defense. He was the only one who used weapons. With this logic if someone punches you at a bar, then you can just shoot them dead.
Is anyone going to address the provocative actions of the drunken, raging teens. The defendant had to be frightened as he was surrounded by them accusing him of being a sexual predator when all he was doing was looking for a phone & then his snorkel & goggles. Seems like the defendant was in defense mode?
He was being verbally bullied and responded by stabbing 5 teenagers and killing one. How is being a smart ass and yelling at people calling them a rapist justification for MURDER?
@@bre5112 Watch again. He did not respond to the verbal bullying. Being hit, pushed, shoved down into the water by several with many more verbal supporters behind them wouldn’t bother you or put you in fear? You can see that one who got stabbed was attacking him. How did he get the other four and 25 seconds. Maybe by swinging his knife around as they continued the attack on him.
@@debbievalentine6810 Is that really how you choose to excuse/explain his behavior? Yikes. And he was certainly *trying* to get away by leaving the scene, hiding the knife, and walking right past a LEO.
@@haydn-db8z You claimed he stabbed 5 people without need? These punks sucker-punched, slapped, pushed-down a man in ill-health (quadruple bypass heart issue), threatened him that he had 10 seconds (evidence of imminent threat), inciting others to violence against him for supposedly doing bad things to children. As evidence of incitement, the crowd grew from 6 people to 13 people. Violence from multiple people from a man in ill health and defaming him as a p*d* are the acts of VERY low class people that I think that most juries would find distasteful. And when you add the fact these young low class people lied on the stand even when the photos proved them wrong!!!??? These young people are NOT likeable....acquited.
@@josephk7530 how is looking for a phone then teenagers attacking you instigating? If u watch the phone video of the attack its obvious self-defense. You're some un-educated moron saying she when he hasn't watched it money down.
@@josephk7530 Find the 3 minute full flowing video and watch it at .25 speed. You will see him turn, walk away, still looking at the water for his phone, them follow him still shouting, others get into it approaching him from the far right (back) and right. He even turned his back on some verbally attacking him.
They weren't actively attacking him when he came back and pushed the tube with the kid videoing the whole ordeal. Mr Miu had an out and didn't take it. Kyle Rittenhouse was running away for like 200 yards before he shot that kid. You can't claim self defense if you have an out then come back to the confrontation but Mr Miu knew he had the knife and went back to teach these rowdy kids something. That's intent to be buddy. First degree all the way. Plus he pulled the knife out before hitting the blonde girl. Then stabbed the Rhyley girl before being punched. Words don't give anyone right to attack ppl.
Man this is really frightening... Thankfully there was a video cause all these witnesses seem to have different accounts of the same event. It definitely makes you worried about the people put away with eye witness testimony. Its scarey to see people testify different even with a video in this case...
this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason. God have mercy
@@theresonlyonegod769 prank was calling him a "raper" to another group to get them angry at Miu. Telling lies to get a crazy reaction is a prank Jawahn said "who is this guy right here" the Madison thought she was hawt shit rolling over there to tell this "raper" of an old lighter skinned gentleman to "GET YOUR FUCKING ASS" then she took a punch so good she didn't drop her belongings. A mediator named AJ held this man down after he was punched by Dante and then while holding him down from behind Dante smacked him in the face. Aj literally impaled himself on the knife watch it is slow mo ..... what an idiot. Prank gone very wrong ... self defense.
This judge is hard on the defense and prosecutor for small things, forcing them to apologize for stupid things and at one point said in an extremely rude and unprofessional way "do you want me to leave the courtroom" simply because they asked if court is still in session, but allows the witnesses to blatantly lie, grandstand, answer questions incorrectly and abuse the exam/cross exam process.
The defense had better destroy them; the killer is guilty as sin and needs all the help he can get. I'd say he needs to make a deal with the devil, but something tells me he already did that.
@@commiesnzombies this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason . man
They fkd around they found out. You have a group of drunk teens bullying and harassing an innocent man because of what? He was snorkeling close to them??? Start yelling names and lies about him in front of the entire crowd. Chase him down, push him in the water, circle him while continuing to taunt and yell at him. How was he to know if any had any weapons? Even with NO weapons you have an entire group of kids against 1 man. A man who was doing nothing but trying to find his friends cell phone that was dropped in the water. A man who has never once had any problems with the law or violence in his life. A man who previously had a bypass heart surgery and wasnt in the best of health. Was the knife overkill? Sure. But he was probably panicking wondering wtf to do to get this group of BULLIES away from him!!!! Even when he was pushed down in the water you see some guys hands going to push on his shoulder to force him to stay down in the water! What you DONT see anywhere is him actually supposedly "hitting" a female.
He took first swing, drew first blood. What a lot of you boomers seem to forget… in the US we have freedom of speech. Regardless what the kids said and even if they pushed him, he doesn’t have a right to use lethal force. He put himself in that situation willingly.
Actually your wrong, when your language is yelling fire in a theatre, or inciting a mob to violence while they encircle around a single person, you non boomers always think you have a better handle on what you're talking about then you do when quoting law.
@@johnbosack6772 It’s not about speech, maybe some news portrayed it that way. Some say he “took first swing” when the 2 women not initially involved came over, yelling and hitting/shoving him based on the pedophile accusations. Physical contact admitted by at least one woman in court, and you can see a little contact on the video. Did he swing back to block one? We don’t know because we can’t see it. He very well ignored their verbal mob attack, watch the 3 minute video of the whole thing in slow motion. The first knife action was as one of the boys was coming to shove him again, and had his hand on his throat. He reached out. With a knife in his hand. No lunge, no attack. I wonder how many of the others got hurt that same way, him swinging the knife around as they all got close enough to be in his range….. in the 25 seconds. Even if he took first swing, that doesn’t justify the mob doing what they did, which led to him getting up with a knife to protect himself, unfortunately.
@@johnbosack6772 What your saying doesnt matter though, they still fucked around with some man in the middle of nowhere and they found out why your words and actions have consequences.
This is why you don’t allow your minor child to go to the apple river drunk and high with no adult supervision. While it’s tragic a young man lost his life, Dante hitting, and knocking Miu down into the water was risk of serious bodily harm. Miu’s response and level of response is truly irrelevant, he could have been knocked unconscious, obviously those boys and people around him wouldn’t have pulled him from the water. Self defense, case closed!
Yeah, I wonder if any of their moms knew they would be drinking on the river?!? I mean, it’s usually a given going to Apple River.. I used to go down there and camp for the weekends and there was ALWAYS TONS of alcohol and drugs and this was back in the 90’s.. 🤣 I damn sure will not let my teenagers go there without me or their dad( not with them but close enough to see them) cuz I know exactly what goes on down that river! LOL
Why did Dante Mr Big Suit think it was his job and duty to get involved in the first place? If he thought a situation was happening, why didn’t he and his brother find security? He wanted to be superhero
I can see we’re all split just about 50/50 on this incident from these comments. There’s a chance the state may have overcharged this case, but here’s my take - These boys were underage drinking and drugging - terrible. They were creeped out by an old man they thought was high or trippin, and acted like a bunch of mean girls - terrible. Others came around to their defense and escalated things - terrible. That being said, this man acted like a total creep that day, and if you’ve ever had teen brothers, or raised teen boys, you know that they act like idiots a lot of the time, whether drunk or not. This man ran over to them, stuck his hands in their stuff, touched one of their legs, stayed there after being asked to leave, and refused to just walk away, which he EASILY could have done over and over again. He got physical first, and then it was on. No one pulled weapons, no one threatened to kill him, no one trapped him. He gutted and stabbed several people, and walked away like nothing happened. The most damning thing for me is that he took no action - he should have called 911 himself, should have looked for or approached police himself, tossed the knife, acted like he had no clue what happened, lied to detectives, and played dumb. That is total consciousness of guilt! And that’s why I believe they charged him the way they did. Personally I believe he’s guilty af, but we’ll see what the jury says.
Even if it were 50/50 in the comments, this is a FOX "News" channel, so there will be more conspiracy theorists, preppers, 2A fetishists, and right-wing nutters in here.
He didn't leave bacause he dropped his snorkel and their tubes went over the top of it. So he was waiting on them to move downstream so he could look for his snorkel
@@michellespeight5972 Michelle that just doesn't jive with the facts of this case. He could have SAID that. He didn't. He just kept feeling all around, in their tube, putting his hand on one of their legs...that is just creepsville! He easily could have stated his intentions, but he never once did. You can't look at this case though without looking at all of it. There is no defense for what he did to those boys - no defense for what he did after that - walking away, throwing the knife, lying to cops, playing dumb...he KNEW that what he did was wrong immediately. He had to go down for this.
The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so, In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part. In teens' brains, the connections between the emotional part of the brain and the decision-making center are still developing-and not always at the same rate. That’s why when teens have overwhelming emotional input, they can’t explain later what they were thinking. They weren’t thinking as much as they were feeling. Although the brain stops growing in size by early adolescence, the teen years are all about fine-tuning how the brain works. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions. Changes to the areas of the brain responsible for social processes can lead teens to focus more on peer relationships and social experiences. The emphasis on peer relationships, along with ongoing prefrontal cortex development, might lead teens to take more risks because the social benefits outweigh the possible consequences of a decision. These risks could be negative or dangerous. Because the teen brain is still developing, teens may respond to stress differently than adults. This could increase teens’ chances of developing stress-related mental illnesses such as anxiety and depression.
If I compare the brothers Dante and Tony, I can clearly relate to what you are saying. Tony, the big brother, is much more sensible in what he does. Dante is using the "stoneage" part of his brains.
Exactly. It's like if a bunch of 6 yr olds pushed or hit an 18 yr old. Would you excuse the 18 yr old for stabbing them? Absolutely not. You'd expect the older one to walk away.
thank you for taking the time to explain this. being a teen was tumultuous for most of us, but these kids had to deal with lockdowns and isolation on top of it. If miu, as a grown-ass adult, can’t disengage and ignore some obnoxious high schoolers and return to his wife and friend group to enjoy yalls outing he should have stayed home and watched espn or build a birdhouse. try being a young woman in public. we aren’t allowed to knife groups of friends who speak to us crudely or even threateningly. miu likely knew those boys were there and being raucous when he insisted on going back to look for the lost phone (miu was backtracking). all his behavior before and after and his demeanor and smirk during the attack come off as someone wanting to punish rather than someone wanting to survive. those young people deserved to live their lives and grow from their mistakes without the trauma miu inflicted on them.
@@jayemm7942 i absolutely agree with you 110% and that’s what I’m meaning he’s a grown man and his brain function is working fully so he should have known better etc
This is an excellent point that I assume most people keep in mind when dealing with teens, but lots of people here are so harsh judging the teens. I think the changes in hormones are also huge stressors for them, leading to challenges regarding emotion regulation and impulse control.
Some of y'all need your head checked. Miy was so terrified that he charged at these kids, stopped them from leaving, pulled out a knife, struck a woman, stabbed 5 others and then lied to the police...... hmm. Sure
Agreed. Miu supposedly made a weird comment, the boys reacted. They wouldn't have made that sh*t up as they were just out there having a good time. Miu was being weird and in their space. Miu had a chance to leave, but in fact, he returned. I wouldn't have done ANY of that. Then he lied about who had the knife. I feel like Miu was the instigator from the very beginning.
it looks like Miu wanted to go after these kids and was just staying there to wait for the “touch” his look and not saying anything - kind of says a lot instead of being the “adult” and just walk away from the boys laughing
Regardless of him acting weird, they put hands on him first. Plus who knows what he actually said, if anything. He was looking for a girls phone, he could have said he was looking for a girl or “little girl’s” phone and they misinterpreted that.
First of all this grown man ran up to, lunged at, and touched/assualted these teens first. He started the physical altercation. Yelling someone or even calling someone a name is not grounds for a massacre like this. I’m tired of people making excuses for murderers. You don’t get to start the fight then kill someone when you start loosing the fight.
You do know that not one person actually admits to swing that girl get hit, they either said they were told, saw her head move, someone was in their line of view, they came at him and they all admit he didn’t come at any of them, even stated he said nothing to them except he was looking for a phone, he was then told to get the f out of here, they don’t own the lake, you can tell ppl who defend these teens and adults only watch bits and pieces of this. Did you not hear the girl say I was scared he dint say anything, are you kidding me you’re scared bc a man who isn’t bothers you, and is being called names doesn’t say anything so your scared. Now they act like he has to talk to them, he has to answer questions to make them feel safe, he can’t be on the river without them knowing why, he can’t look for a phone without being called a pedo. Do you know how many ppl have been killed when mobs think they are pedos and attack them, that is one of the worst things you can say about someone. These kids all lied during police interviews,,then again right before trial when questioned again, then all lied in the stand. It’s obvious they were coached, using the same words to describe them, all saying they were afrofbone man who said nothing, and did nothing, the girl they said he hit(at trial) c Mgot in his face, she approached him, the B only ppl stabbed were the ones who touched him, isn’t that funny that other ppl standing in the group just yelling stuff didn’t get cut or stabbed, it was only Kobe’s who kept knocking him down and physically assaulting him. This is the lawyer that got Kyle rotten house off, he’s walking. It’s so great that teens record their crimes and hand the evidence in to police. Anything that the group did they don’t remember, they all watch him being struck, pushed, etc but they don’t see any of the friends doing it.
You idiot! They started by shouting at him! If all these teens & everyone else would have minded their own business, this innocent self defense man wouldn't be here in court with all the lying "witnesses". Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@@bambilackner let’s wind the clock all the way back. He was lurking around kids, they ask him to leave and start yelling at him, he says nothing and lunges at them and touches them and their tube. THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES RIGHT THEN BUT THEY DID NOT. So now what?? Time continues and then at some point the older girls come over and ask and yell for him to leave ( women who were smaller). Why did he not leave? People said they saw her being hit and came to her aid. I repeat 1) He just about attacked the first boys by running up to them and touching them so for him to be upset because a 5’5 women touched his shoulder while holding a cell phone and a beer is ridiculous. He is clearly English speaking when the cops show up so why is he acting as if he doesn’t understand when the kids ask him to leave them alone. We have to get to a point in the world where murder is not excusable. We have a so called Christian country we’re people keep defending murderers.
Oh, so lifting up your left arm and ‘pushing’ a man twice your size means it’s your fault you got stabbed. And because Maddy’s nose wasn’t broken or her teeth knocked out, he didn’t really slap her or punch her in the face. Defense lawyers are reprehensible.
@@cavandrayesss...the defense has nothing ..but a wonderfully incriminating video taking " for the CULTURE" 😅 by Mr CocKfield ! thanks Mr. CoCk field you exposed your own lies and all of your drunken asshat friends😂🫡🔥
You are so right. It’s like he hasn’t planned his questions and has no clue where his examination is going. He’s incompetent at best and a moron at worst. I vote moron.
this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason . the whole situation is dumb
LMAO at these witnesses. For me, it is the parents to blame. My wife and I would never let our teenagers going out alone with another group of teens. When the toughness didn't go your way, you're on TV trying to show that your kid was the next best thing even when he's caught getting drunk and smoking weeds. Also, What type of parent are you sending your drunk youngsters over to break up a fight?
Unfortunately I have a grandson with this type of behavior. I know the type. And they do get out of hand. He better watch out. One day he will f with the wrong bull.
@@zoeknap9777 I guess some people will never learn. There are certain events that kids can hang out by themselves. There are events that must have some adults supervision. No I’m not in a cult, I’m just a smart parent that refuses to put my kids in harm way. Your definition of normal parents is the reason we have kids behaving the way they are.
In his ex wife’s testimony, she saw the defendant at the 1st group of young tubers, he then walked some distance through the river to his tube and group of tubers, then returned to the 1st group of young tubers. He went back to the 1st group of young tubers that commenters are saying he was frightened of and was just defending himself against. If this was on dry land with cars we’d be saying the defendant had a road rage incident, went back to his car to get a weapon and returned with more rage and a weapon.
Some of my observations so far. - This has to be one of the most stale Prosecution attorneys I've ever seen. He has all the empathy of a loaf of bread. No stage presence whatsoever. - The Judge is an angry, impatient fellow. Doesn't seem to like the Defense. - The Defense is more compelling than the Prosecution - There are always technical issues. Pulling up slides/clips takes way longer than they should - I find myself rooting for the defense. We'll see if that changes as the trial goes.
The TEN Essentials (which includes a knife) is what anyone would and should have on an outdoor trip - whether that is hiking, camping, climbing...etc including rafting. Having a knife seems reasonable. It's unfortunate that more wasn't communicated and/or everyone had just parted ways immediately. Such a tragic event and condolences to Isaac's family and all those injured. The alcohol increased the likelihood that things would get out of control and things escalated so quickly. Prayers for all
This was non of their business yet they chose to be nosy. Ended up stabbed. fuck around, you just may find out. People have no respect. People have died from being jumped because bullies think they own the streets now, in this case a river. If they had stayed minding their own business, they would not have been stabbed. The audacity. I pray every day God keeps idiots like this away from me and mines. I also don't be sticking my nose in other people's business. The instigator needs to be charged; the black kid and also all the adults that let the underage teens drink.
Aj up there just making up stories...gang of lieing kids, laughing and beating up an older man. What was he going to do? He was defending himself..period.. the verdict is BS
Let's be honest, he was acting weird, and he didn't exactly need to be in those teens personal spaces. How hard was it for him to keep a distance. Not hard at all. Instead he chose to punch and stab with a knife indiscriminately, because he wasn't respected in the way he felt he deserved. This is not self defense, it is a mass stabbing done by a man who feels enraged and humiliated. He throws away the knife, in an attempt to get rid of the evidence, and he lies about everything that had just occurred. He tries to make his escape, when he is confronted with police, and detained. He acts like he doesn't know what is going on. Did he ever try to help the victims? who were fighting for their very lives at that moment? Did he try to explain to the police his "self defense" situation? Did he act like he had justly defended his life? No, not at all. He acted like a murderer who was trying to disappear.
If they would have just shut up for three seconds and listened to what he was trying to say maybe it wouldn't seem so weird. But - they didn't want the fun to end. And so they persisted in the belligerent idiocy.
why dont they just admit it after the fact. they really trying to make the guiy go to jail for life because they started a fight drunk and got stabbed. just say like yeah we provoked him it was unfortunate situation, for everybody.
Why didn’t Nicholae call the cops? He was scared? Why didn’t he just admit right afterward that he stabbed 5+ people? I don’t understand that. BTW… teens lie. To try to stay out of trouble with mom and dad. You’ll learn that if you have kids.
(Zoë’s Mum) I just cannot handle the way he says to the cop “someone was stabbed??? Really??” Like it was a complete and utter shock and surprise to him- that is slightly MORE than lying that is downright deceitful!!!
Here we have six wiseass teenagers egging on a man looking for a phone and they are going to film it for laughs. The poor guy should have just not paid attention to them but for whatever reason he got involved with them. Now these morons act like they’re scared of him and call for help they didn’t need. The other group comes into it not knowing what is really going on and becomes aggressive with the man not knowing what these teenagers have dragged them into. They get in the man’s face and now this man has two groups of idiots ganging up on him. He feels hopeless and defends himself. He tries to walk away but can’t because they surround him. This is what happens when people drink and do drugs. Can’t convict this poor man for the stupiidity of the idiots that started this. If it wasn’t for the video we wouldn’t know the real truth. They would of killed this poor man.
@user-zr6wv4xu6e And I notice you saying it while being too chickenshit to put your name on your account. Jesus fuck I’m a Boomer and I haven’t used that word since the 70s.
Yes and no. I'm not him. Same age but I'm a runner. A puzzy. I would of ran. But I give him credit for having balls to show these liberal he don't play. This ain't some liberal movie.
I feel like if Miu had called the cops himself and cooperated with them 100% - if he had tried to play the victim while still in the moment, even just a little - the narrative would be very different. No way he’d be facing a murder charge - maybe negligent homicide or manslaughter. He might’ve even walked. Ditching the knife, attempting to evade LE and then lying to them makes him look guilty af imo.
Yep in a self defense scenario the first one to call 911 to tell their story wins!! If he said he was attacked by a group of people and defend himself and stayed for the police he would not be charged or would have a better defense.
Have you seen how cops are these days? They just put about 300 bullets in a 15 year old girl the other day for no reason. Arresting homeowners for trying to get squatters out of their home. How dumb can you be?
He was looking for his PHONE😂😂 how could he call the cops omg you people...he was literally trapped and surrounded. I guess he could have asked one of the teenagers for a phone....🤔..Nahhhhh....
@@ironmaven1760 He was looking for someone else’s phone, actually. Someone in his group of five or six people, most who had phones. They had ample opportunity to contact the cops after the incident, including in person on the river. Instead, if they could have they would have left and went home w/out talking to anyone. Which, like I said, doesn’t make him look good, imo.
3:16:03 super detailed answer .. hmmmm I hope they can show some evidence. “He had her by the head and then pulled her hair” so there’s no mentioned about the punch when he first said that to the police? The inconsistency is very uncanny.
The fact that he stabbed 5 people isn't the determining factor of his guilt though Self defence trials wouldn't be a thing if that was the case come on now
I love how the ex-wife is completely not caring about any of it at all. Should really should be considered a hostile witness. Now these kids and this blonde woman screaming at him were in the wrong, but they didn't deserve to be stabbed by someone not saying a word and literally just walking around stabbing everyone and then walking away.
Ive always taught our daughters if you have the balls to hit a man ya better have the balls to get hit back. No, a man should never lay his hands on a female but a woman shouldn't act like a man and get up in his face. This is coming from a mom of 2 boys and 3 girls.
Oh my heck what are these commenters thinking! This man needed to be a man and remove himself from the scene. He decided to stab everyone. He is guilty to serve life in prison. This lawyer for defence is an ass!
These kids were drinking and smoking, and making bullshit accusations about the guy and then continued to bully him and laugh at him. And surround him. Who wouldn't feel threatened for there safty
This is textbook self defense. Nothing Mr. Miu did was wrong. He was simply looking for a phone and 13 people crowded around, harassed him, assaulted him and created so much confusion that nobody in the area knew what was going on anymore. Miu did none of that. He only defended himself. Hes 50+, just had a heart attack and life is fragile and he has no responsibility to have another heart attack as he waits for these future school shooters' mental illnesses to calm down.
How on earth does the state think this is a winning case ??? Total self defense. And the amount of TIME wasted repeating the same thing over and over is annoying.
The videographer on this day is not great. So many times I wanted to see what was on the screen and the camera was focused on the whole group or on a witness. Super frustrating.
I felt bad for the teens now not so much 😮 this was tragic someone lost their lives to the parents of the boy that died I am sorry for you're loss 😢 To the teens that Alta made this happen hope you all have learned something. There is a reason it's 21 age to legally drink this is the biggest example of why ... Tragic all the way around 😮😢😮😢😮😢 💔💔💔💔💔💔😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
He has no case. He must have thought he had one when he brought it to trial, but by now after watching the first 3 days in full and half of today (the 6th day), I can tell you, this case is done. Its a joke. This is the worst trial Ive ever seen. Its clear all the witnesses have collaborated to lie about the phrase "I am looking for little girls" and the fake punch to the girls face with no evidence beyond a bunch of violent kids saying it happened. Its crazy. Ive watched many trials in full and never seen so many coordinated lies as I do here. They forget almost every detail that would help the defense and somehow they ALL remember with clarity when he said hes looking for a little girl. Same with the punch. They all somehow knew it happened though most of them admit they never even saw it. Some say they heard her get punched but never heard him get punched multiple times. Absolute joke. They should rename this river Amnesia River.
These are you people that haven't experienced much of life. What they have learnt is how to lie badly . What they need to understand is this court is not the one's that they need to make amends with. I'm very old have seen a lot of thing's . Not all good. But I do know for sure is karma is a absolute Bitch. And it catches you off guard. Believe me you will pay. For all ŵrongs in this lifetime.
Miu pulled the first punch at a girl no less. Sure the teens were being obnoxious but no one did anything to him b4 he slugged the girl. How would any guy Rx to seeing some creep hit a girl they know? Still, the jackass didn't leave even when they were telling him to. Then he decides to start knifing 4 people, killing one and seriously injuring 2 others? I hope he gets a long sentence b/c he has a screw loose. Self defense? I don't see it. Verbal jousting vs. a deadly weapon isn't justified.
Hmm.. I have yet to see a “slug” a “punch” any kind of contact with that girl. She’s seems like a drunk belligerent ass who only escalated the assault on the defendant.
That's what they said. At no point did anyone see it or record it that bit but we do he the girls come over to something that had nothing to do with them, because they werent even from the same group as as the guy that was yelling out just for the fun of it that Mr Nicholae Mui was a rapist and a pedo. Then they started getting in his face yelling and they were the ones that made the first contact with Mr Mui. So it's a stretch to believe that even happened. Probably an exaggeration of him swiping her hand away from his face so in all honesty she's probably the one that caused the chain of events to happen by getting involved because the guy that's when he started making the pedo and rapist remarks when he saw the girls.
The prosecutor is showing still frames instead of playing the video bc the video proves that those little bastards poked a bear, and well you seen what happened. It was self defense that man is innocent.
He went up to THEM. HE didn’t walk away towards his group of people. Even if he did it because he was scared/self defence what kind of person can stab and kill someone and continue on tubing down the river like nothing happened? Taking pics afterwards? Lying about it? He had zero remorse.
An adult man with hurt feelings over the rants of obnoxious teenaged boys. Just show your knife, don’t hide it, and walk away. Cry in your tube when you get back to your group over how a bunch of teenaged boys called you names and scared you so much…
First of all this grown man ran up to, lunged at, and touched/assualted these teens first. He started the physical altercation. Yelling someone or even calling someone a name is not grounds for a massacre like this. I’m tired of people making excuses for murderers. You don’t get to start the fight then kill someone when you start loosing the fight.
@@TRVBALI feel like his comment is aimed at people who see this situation and then hyper focus on their age "He murdered a child" Technically yes but let's be specific that child was one birthday away from being able to join the army That's a big damn child That's how I read his comment and I agree to be honest These were minors but these were teenagers In my mind that is not the same as a "child" which usually denotes a small kid Fucked up situation all round
They created a frenzy and incited a crowd. They labeled an innocent man a pedophile - he was subsequently judged and treated as though he was one. He was then attacked by a baying, laughing mob. This man was never given an opportunity to defend himself. The ‘adults’ are fully responsible for what happened next and they should be ashamed of themselves. They did not give him a chance to explain himself. They incited violence and triggered a tragedy and I hope remember that for the rest of their lives. Isaac Schuman and the other teens would never have escalated the situation without the boost they got from the adults. Every adult involved in that conflict should be charged. One of the brilliant defense lawyers is Corey Chirafisi who defended Kyle Rittenhouse. I am 100% convinced Mui will be found not guilty.
as an adult male these bold accusations would cause a reaction out of me on my worst days especially if i was drinking. Add the Mob like environment i can understand the high stress situation. The third party really failed these kids. At no point did they even try to deescalate the situation. Truly feel for this group friends nobody teaches how to lose a friend no matter the circumstances.
Making of a murderer is Wisconsin case too and the Kyle case? Yea never living in this woke state. This man should not be on trial. All 13 should be held accountable.
@dabsallday9938 yea I would assume that it should be more conservative politically, disturbing that this younger generation thinks it's appropriate to act in the manner they did with a tragic ending.
@@lynnetmb4706no you didn’t and you didn’t hear all the witnesses say he walked away, never said anything except he was looking for a phone , but bc he wouldn’t say anything that was scary to them, “that’s what they said” so bc he wouldn’t talk it also made them mad. He’s going home no jury’s going to convict him, he was defending himself against 13 ppl, including grown adults
You know ALCOHOL was triggering factor in all of the parties involved. I believe that none of this would have ended up with one dead and 4 others injured if not for ALCOHOL and DRUGS! The defendant SHOULD have walked away.He was the ADULT and should have acted as such! The teenagers should have kept their big mouths shut and left him alone. They just incited what happened! However this being said… pulling a knife SHOULD Have NEVER happened even if he was scared. I believe he was scared but I do not believe his life would have ended. WEAPONS SHOULD ALWAYS STAY OUT OF ANY DISCUSSION, that includes hands. Nothing good comes from WEAPONS!!! Ever!!!!!
Two wrongs dont make a right. I don't condole bullying and provocation how ever, a murder and physical harm by stabbing has been committed regardless! It baffles me some of these comments justifying Mui's crimes🤦🏼♀️
(Zoë’s Mum) These young people are so polite and patient , I would have told the defense lawyer to ferk off by now, seriously- he is so condescending!!
Miu put himself in a bad spot, especially by being drunk and initiating the altercation. Not saying the teens were innocent, but Miu certainly made bad decisions to provoke things. And people.......Miu never looked scared and had amble opportunity to get away and chose to play the role of Michael Myers instead.
He also lied to police saying the teenagers had knives and he took it from them in self defense. He hid the weapon and attempted to blend in with the crowd meanwhile helicopters and police were surrounding the area. He knew he lost his temper and took things way too far. Just a typical drunken fight over a bunch of kids being smart asses and this man couldn’t control his anger. Period.
I totally disagree..if you recall the second group of young offenders ..thats what this had escalated into...they couldn't move forward because the first group where blockingbthem...had they moved on ..none of this would have occurred...loud mouth girls showing off in front of a group of louder mouth men...intoxicated, drugged..and totally ignorant...he had a good right to be scared being pushed down so many times...its the youth that escalated the violence not the defendant. ❤
I have heard nothing but lies and i can't remember with these young men and women...the all look like deer in headlights leaving the stand...not one even looked at the man...pure and utter shame on them.
I heard one man say, from a distance, he thought he was drunk. His ex said he was not. Even if Mui hit a woman who charged him yelling and hitting him, that would not justify the teens actions. He looked for a phone, he turned to walk away to continue to, the teens’ actions took it from there until he felt he had to defend himself. I would’ve felt the same.
@@kellym4747 What are talking about? He was the first to hit anyone. "the teens’ actions took it from there until he felt he had to defend himself." What actions did the teens make that required him to "defend himself"? Last I checked calling someone names and being obnoxious is not a justification to attack people. He charged the boys FIRST, he put his hands on the boys FIRST. Before the woman charged him, before being surrounded by everybody, before all of it. Nobody had touched him until AFTER he touched the boys first. Nobody hit him until AFTER he hit the girl FIRST. Why does he get to defend himself when someone charges him but the others are not allowed to defend against his initial charge and assaults?
As a retired police lieutenant, I can tell you for a fact that this prosecutor is incompetent at best. He’s not prepped and he can’t control his exams. Mostly they object to the defense only when it’s blatant that their witnesses are lying on the stand. Objection, your honor my witness is making me look like a fool and I object on grounds that my witness is a liar.
Wow, I can’t believe how much that guys wife lied. With her testimony, it’s obvious she’s trying to hide facts. How could she after a child was killed and others critically injured. Absolutely pathetic.
Ms. Ryhley M doesn't look 25. She looks to be 20 years older. Alcohol and drugs effects the way some people ages. She probably started drinking as a 14 year old along with friends in jr. high. 🤔 Glad she survived her stabbing. 🙏🕊️💟
She wouldnt have gotten stabbed if she didnt attack and harass the man along with everyone else. None of these kids had any business even talking to him. Hes allowed to go near them to look for a phone. This whole case is textbook self defense.
@@DrummerJacob this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason sad stuff
I dont get the significance of ," he hit a woman!" Statement? In today's age the sex does not matter. Why do people default to a woman needing some extra protection anymore? They are equal to men in every way(or so we are told). And according to every movie being made women now can beat up 5 or 6 guys at a time. It would be apparent to me it would be more serious if he had hit a man. These kids are acting like him hitting a women, who was acting like a man and right up in the middle of things, is wrong which does not jive with today's ideas.
You are correct, and in this case the woman was very aggressive. Still, it’s just a fact that most men are physically bigger and stronger than most women, and can inflict a lot more harm.
You know that saying..."with equal rights come equal lefts" But these females that wanna get loud and aggressive and get in peoples faces are always the first ones to cry out loud "he hit a girl" after they get punched in the mouth. And that was the excuse the others used to then assault him also when he was pushed down in the water. You can hear them saying "He hit a girl? He hit a girl?" repeatedly before punching him.
Many women can't imagine physical consequences for their actions because they're so protected from that in this country. Many women do understand this man had to defend himself but many don't get it because it would be so much less likely a situation for them to be in.
Even when the killer got out of their way, if the teenagers had kept floating downstream, they would have been abandoning the people who came to help them. That includes the two girls who got there first. I can't think of too many guys who would do that, if only because they'd be embarrassed.
Feared for his life? He was the one with the weapon. All they had was loud obnoxious mouths. If he didn’t hide his knife, show them he had one, they would have let him walk away…albeit probably laughing and yelling insults at him. But at his “old age” eventually he would have been far enough away he wouldn’t have heard them. He could have cried over his hurt feelings later. And no one would be seriously hurt or dead.
That lady that came over, put her hands on him and shoved her phone up in his face started the whole chain of events and then Cockfield started inciting a riot and filming it for his stupid internet clout so they could upload a tiktok video of the big young drunk and drugged thugs embarrassing and slapping around a older guy, holding him down in the water while jumping around like monkeys and shouting. It was obvious that Cockfield was causing the violence to escalate, I dont think the drunk thugs intended to kill Mui, but we will never know
Anybody with a brain would not stuck around there and argue with kids. He should have went back to his wife. Then the problem would have been solved he was the adult and should have acted like one. No one was keeping him from leaving....
Completely agree. He allowed a bunch of teenagers acting and yelling like the boisterous teens they were , hurt his feelings and he knifed them. Killing one. He’s a pathetic excuse for a “man”. An adult man at that. With presumably a well developed brain, who could have brandished the knife, told them to back off, and walked away. Instead he hid the knife.
The man was protecting himself against a bunch of young adults. Dude recording was the instigator. Dont be calling people pedophiles and rapers. He is the boy who cried wolf.
Where would they have got the idea of calling him a pedo if he didn’t say something about little girl ? I mean sure they could have just came out with it but what are the chances of coming out with that verses any other obnoxious stuff ?
It’s extremely likely they came up with it on their own. If you’re online enough you’ll notice how often people are called that these days on different social media platforms. There are RUclips channels that expose pedos and confront them to make a video. Every other week it seems lots of celebrities or content creators are “exposed” for talking to minors and being “cancelled”. It’s a very prevalent topic online lately, and this generation knows the dog pile that occurs as a result of an accusation like that, because they see it everyday online. The slightest odd behaviour turns into you being a creep, and probably a pedo.
By day 3, every prosecution witness sounds like they are in a mass hysteria event. Their memories of the day are completely obliterated by what they have heard others say and the videos they've seen. Why they would put Larrion Davis on the stand is beyond me.
They didn't let him walk away this is why I say don't inject themselfs into it. Now look what happened they should have let him walk away but they kept harassing him, poking the bear they call it.
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Ive watched about 10 full trials in my adulthood and I dont think Ive ever known someone was lying on the stand until I came to this trial. Not only did one person lie, every single witness has lied.
They dont remember anything about anything, but somehow they ALL remember Miu saying "im looking for little girls" verbatim, to a T, without fail. Every single witness heard it somehow, yet nothing else this group of witnesses remembers was consistent. That one phrase that wasnt recorded on camera was remembered by all, and yet it doesnt make sense that he would say it and he did nothing to make you assume he would say it, and there were no little girls and he wasnt looking for any little girls.
Furthermore, you can clearly see every witness on every day of this trial trying to figure out the angle of the question before answering it to the defense. Theres so much pushback, you can see the lying and manipulating going on and its disgusting.
Self defense. Not guilty. Charge Jawahn for instigating and the two that assaulted him without having actually seen him punch the girl. They started everything and ensured he had to defend himself. He had no choice. He was simply looking for a phone, and as a result also his snorkel.
He owed no explanation to anyone, those kids didnt own that part of the river, they could have simply kept floating down the river after the millisecond he touched their tube to see if the phone his friend lost was the one Jawahn was holding up to try and film some stupid Worldstar moment.
AMEN, I agree to Miu never having said a word about "lil girls" and it being the statement, agreed on by the lawyers, to be repeated by every young man. These Prosecution lawyers can't hold a candle to Miu's character. Their language is accusatory and disgusting, just like those remarks on the River.. I can understand why they, at least this one is defending bullies. Bullies and Narc's think their smarter than everyone else, and people don't see their lies and deceit. I agree with your assessment and glad you stood up for truth and Mr. Miu, Thank you!
I wish they hounded mr dreadlocks n said YOU STARTED THIS!!!!! YOU SCREAMED YOU YELLED YOU TAUNTED GETTIN YOUR FRIENDS GOIN
If I am ever on trial, I want to be represented by this defense attorney. He is taking apart these witnesses one by one, and making them admit they had one account when the incident happened (truth), and another story when they are sitting in the witness box (tainted testimony).
@@lydiaverosky6811 its kyle rittenhouses lawyer.
100 percent. They thought it was funny until it wasn’t
Did anyone notice, Mui thought Anthony Carlson was going to help him up out of the water?? He reached out his hand and expected a human kindness?? Like someone should have?? But AC walked by him, then turned back and shouted at him. NO ONE helped or defended Mui, at all. I would have. Mui raised his arm 2 or 3 times for help. He was alone, and had every reason to fear and he was right, he was assaulted, first. Verbally then physically.
that guy AJ. was repeatedly pushing that guy back down into the water in the video. he was definately not just place his hand on the guys shoulder and missed.
just imagine if the video wasnt there, that guy would have no chance, all these people mobbing and lying even with the video
Yet dude lied about everything when cops got there…dude could have just kept walking but watching this video you’d think he was hanging out with them😂
@@crimetimefacts Over simplifying, they legitimately would not leave him the f*ck alone unless at their insistence he walk the opposite way down river away from his group.....who's doing that, simply because a bunch of entitled teens told you to? Yeah he lied to the police not a great look but you forget this man didn't set out that day to kill anyone, people panic and im fairly sure when the reality set in he didn't know what to do.
@@crimetimefactsoh what?! He lied?! 🤥 I’m only on Day 3 so I know nothing of these lies! Does he take the stand in his defense?
0:33 The guy is definitely innocent. At the bail hearing the state wanted a $500,000 bond. The defense asked for $50,000 with an ankle monitor and small boundary with weekly call in. So the judge ends up making it $1,000,000 cash bond. Wisconsin makes you pay 100% in cash btw. Now this guy has been sitting in prison for the lady 22 months. Just for protecting himself from a mob of drunken fools who believed they were beating a pedophile because drunk high schoolers decided to gas light an old man minding his own business. Discussing pieces of filth should be put away for years.
What did you expect from Minnesota liberals?
Nope. He’s not. It’ll be a conviction or a hung jury course of a couple dummy jury members who refuse to enforce the laws.
What would have happened if Mui didn’t defend himself? The kids surrounding him weren’t going to stop. They would have killed him if he didn’t defend himself. The crocodile tears from these kids aren’t working. I’m sorry they lost their friend and others were injured but what did they think was going to happen? “You play with fire you will get burned.”
As if, dont be ridiculous
Thank god you aren't on the Jury 😂😂
@@cavandrayou sound like one of the punks that surrounded Miu. They got exactly what they asked for when ganging up on one man.
(Zoë’s Mum) are you crazy- the kids were NOT hurting him and did NOT have weapons. He should have walked away, he kept approaching and hanging around them🤷🏼♀️You obviously have NOT watched the tape 🙄🤦🏼♀️😩🙇🏼♀️……..
@@zoeknap9777reasonable threat of bodily harm or death. It’s clear he acted in self defense. And F your feelings
Wait, Jawahn said Mui said “something about little girls” when They made 1st contact, (and then said none were in his group). Then his testimony changed to “he said he was looking for a little girls”. He calls Mui a rapist. Mui “looked really scary”, Jawahn, this big, strong football player, with all his friends, got scared by the dirty look the older man gave in response? Ok…
While the mob continues to shout and taunt Mui, not leave, but follow him.
He's lying. They all are.
@@vladdestroyer5177they aren't lying. This happened 2 years ago when they were kids in highschool. It's a traumatic experience I'm sure they want to forget. Hell you weren't even there. How you know they're lying?
I’m so sure Jawahn who is a football player and twice Miu’s size was so scared of some rando older man heart patient.😂
@@TheDkb427because none of their main claims ever end up on video but everything else does including them going Lord of the Flies on an older man who is clearly looking for a lost item in the water. Way too convenient.
@kellym4747 Never ever heard someone claiming self defense but lying about everything to the cops. Lied about having the knife, lied about taking the knife from the KIDS. No reason to tell so many lies if you’re claiming self defense. These kids never attacked him, they called him name (oh and they didn’t lie to police about calling him names) the were in there tubes going down river or by there tubs. This guy literally never left them alone. If he was scared all he had to do was keep going forward. Dude was being a creep and every drunk high school/college kid would have done the same. Stabbing 5 people, and killing one is not self defense. He was the only one who used weapons. With this logic if someone punches you at a bar, then you can just shoot them dead.
They thought they were tough, they found out that guy wasn't one of their coddling parents.
Guess they learned that day the world according to TikTok isnt the real world after all 🤣
They found out it wasn’t high school. They can’t just bully and jump someone out in the real world.
@dodgecharger5040 This is such a juvenile comment. We clearly didn't because we are still alive replying to your stupid comments.
@dodgecharger5040 shouldn't have put his hands around his neck than.
@dodgecharger5040 omg I'm so sorry then. I've never made a spelling or a mistake in my life over here. 🤣🤣🤣
Is anyone going to address the provocative actions of the drunken, raging teens. The defendant had to be frightened as he was surrounded by them accusing him of being a sexual predator when all he was doing was looking for a phone & then his snorkel & goggles. Seems like the defendant was in defense mode?
He was being verbally bullied and responded by stabbing 5 teenagers and killing one. How is being a smart ass and yelling at people calling them a rapist justification for MURDER?
I know I would be indefence mode.....they were nothing but drunkun hooligans...
Look, they had no weapons in their hands. Just beer.
This guy had a knife.
Just mad at youth.
Sad
@@bre5112 Watch again. He did not respond to the verbal bullying. Being hit, pushed, shoved down into the water by several with many more verbal supporters behind them wouldn’t bother you or put you in fear? You can see that one who got stabbed was attacking him. How did he get the other four and 25 seconds. Maybe by swinging his knife around as they continued the attack on him.
So frightened instead of continuing to walk away he turned around and charged the group of "drunken, raging teens".
This witness lied and then tried to look pitiful, I'm glad he's ok now but at the hospital he lied to cover for his friend, then poof a video
Good thing the defendant didn't lie to the cops... or try to hide the knife... or stab five people without need. That would look awful for him. 🤦♂
@@haydn-db8z with out need....do you really think they were ever going to let him walk away?
@@debbievalentine6810 Is that really how you choose to excuse/explain his behavior? Yikes. And he was certainly *trying* to get away by leaving the scene, hiding the knife, and walking right past a LEO.
@@haydn-db8z You claimed he stabbed 5 people without need?
These punks sucker-punched, slapped, pushed-down a man in ill-health (quadruple bypass heart issue), threatened him that he had 10 seconds (evidence of imminent threat), inciting others to violence against him for supposedly doing bad things to children. As evidence of incitement, the crowd grew from 6 people to 13 people. Violence from multiple people from a man in ill health and defaming him as a p*d* are the acts of VERY low class people that I think that most juries would find distasteful. And when you add the fact these young low class people lied on the stand even when the photos proved them wrong!!!??? These young people are NOT likeable....acquited.
They attack people four on one and think they are bad. People feel sorry for them when they get hurt. That is what is wrong with this country.
The guy could have easily walked away. Old man went looking to instigate waterhead.
@@josephk7530 how is looking for a phone then teenagers attacking you instigating? If u watch the phone video of the attack its obvious self-defense. You're some un-educated moron saying she when he hasn't watched it money down.
@@josephk7530 Find the 3 minute full flowing video and watch it at .25 speed. You will see him turn, walk away, still looking at the water for his phone, them follow him still shouting, others get into it approaching him from the far right (back) and right. He even turned his back on some verbally attacking him.
Don't forget a 17 year old is DEAD.
They weren't actively attacking him when he came back and pushed the tube with the kid videoing the whole ordeal. Mr Miu had an out and didn't take it. Kyle Rittenhouse was running away for like 200 yards before he shot that kid. You can't claim self defense if you have an out then come back to the confrontation but Mr Miu knew he had the knife and went back to teach these rowdy kids something. That's intent to be buddy. First degree all the way. Plus he pulled the knife out before hitting the blonde girl. Then stabbed the Rhyley girl before being punched. Words don't give anyone right to attack ppl.
Man this is really frightening... Thankfully there was a video cause all these witnesses seem to have different accounts of the same event. It definitely makes you worried about the people put away with eye witness testimony. Its scarey to see people testify different even with a video in this case...
I thougt so too. Imagine there would be no video. The jury would get a totaly differend picture or would not know what to believe.
this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason. God have mercy
You f around, you find out.
Thank you. I’ve become unaccountably engaged with this whole tragedy and it all comes down to that
They did!!!!
And ...... Don't F with the boomers!!!
Unfortunately, they found out life is not a prank. OG was not for play play
So a kid is dead and you’re joking. Also where’s the prank?
That’s my point
@@theresonlyonegod769 prank was calling him a "raper" to another group to get them angry at Miu. Telling lies to get a crazy reaction is a prank Jawahn said "who is this guy right here" the Madison thought she was hawt shit rolling over there to tell this "raper" of an old lighter skinned gentleman to "GET YOUR FUCKING ASS" then she took a punch so good she didn't drop her belongings. A mediator named AJ held this man down after he was punched by Dante and then while holding him down from behind Dante smacked him in the face. Aj literally impaled himself on the knife watch it is slow mo ..... what an idiot. Prank gone very wrong ... self defense.
@@theresonlyonegod769 💤
Not for play play, but he was for fee-fees. (His feelings got hurt, along with the majority of commenters' here defending him.)
I hope Mr. Miu sues every kid that lies on that stand because every one of them lied.
😂😂😂😂
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This judge is hard on the defense and prosecutor for small things, forcing them to apologize for stupid things and at one point said in an extremely rude and unprofessional way "do you want me to leave the courtroom" simply because they asked if court is still in session, but allows the witnesses to blatantly lie, grandstand, answer questions incorrectly and abuse the exam/cross exam process.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of this Judge. He's too abrasive.
Defense is destroying these witnesses
The defense had better destroy them; the killer is guilty as sin and needs all the help he can get. I'd say he needs to make a deal with the devil, but something tells me he already did that.
It's not the defense. Tha D.A. put them out for slaughter.
Lord of the Flies is what we all witnessed.
Respect your elders.
THAT’s what movie flashed to my mind when I watched the scene in slow motion.
Love your response. Just like you said…poor Piggy
wolf pack mentality , sometimes even wolves get the pointy end of the antlers
@@commiesnzombies this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason
. man
They fkd around they found out. You have a group of drunk teens bullying and harassing an innocent man because of what? He was snorkeling close to them??? Start yelling names and lies about him in front of the entire crowd. Chase him down, push him in the water, circle him while continuing to taunt and yell at him. How was he to know if any had any weapons? Even with NO weapons you have an entire group of kids against 1 man. A man who was doing nothing but trying to find his friends cell phone that was dropped in the water. A man who has never once had any problems with the law or violence in his life. A man who previously had a bypass heart surgery and wasnt in the best of health. Was the knife overkill? Sure. But he was probably panicking wondering wtf to do to get this group of BULLIES away from him!!!! Even when he was pushed down in the water you see some guys hands going to push on his shoulder to force him to stay down in the water! What you DONT see anywhere is him actually supposedly "hitting" a female.
You can’t murder people because they bully you. You sound like a lunatic.
He took first swing, drew first blood. What a lot of you boomers seem to forget… in the US we have freedom of speech. Regardless what the kids said and even if they pushed him, he doesn’t have a right to use lethal force. He put himself in that situation willingly.
Actually your wrong, when your language is yelling fire in a theatre, or inciting a mob to violence while they encircle around a single person, you non boomers always think you have a better handle on what you're talking about then you do when quoting law.
@@johnbosack6772 It’s not about speech, maybe some news portrayed it that way.
Some say he “took first swing” when the 2 women not initially involved came over, yelling and hitting/shoving him based on the pedophile accusations. Physical contact admitted by at least one woman in court, and you can see a little contact on the video.
Did he swing back to block one? We don’t know because we can’t see it. He very well ignored their verbal mob attack, watch the 3 minute video of the whole thing in slow motion.
The first knife action was as one of the boys was coming to shove him again, and had his hand on his throat. He reached out. With a knife in his hand. No lunge, no attack. I wonder how many of the others got hurt that same way, him swinging the knife around as they all got close enough to be in his range….. in the 25 seconds. Even if he took first swing, that doesn’t justify the mob doing what they did, which led to him getting up with a knife to protect himself, unfortunately.
@@johnbosack6772 What your saying doesnt matter though, they still fucked around with some man in the middle of nowhere and they found out why your words and actions have consequences.
This is why you don’t allow your minor child to go to the apple river drunk and high with no adult supervision. While it’s tragic a young man lost his life, Dante hitting, and knocking Miu down into the water was risk of serious bodily harm. Miu’s response and level of response is truly irrelevant, he could have been knocked unconscious, obviously those boys and people around him wouldn’t have pulled him from the water. Self defense, case closed!
Yeah, I wonder if any of their moms knew they would be drinking on the river?!? I mean, it’s usually a given going to Apple River.. I used to go down there and camp for the weekends and there was ALWAYS TONS of alcohol and drugs and this was back in the 90’s.. 🤣 I damn sure will not let my teenagers go there without me or their dad( not with them but close enough to see them) cuz I know exactly what goes on down that river! LOL
Why did Dante Mr Big Suit think it was his job and duty to get involved in the first place? If he thought a situation was happening, why didn’t he and his brother find security? He wanted to be superhero
I can see we’re all split just about 50/50 on this incident from these comments. There’s a chance the state may have overcharged this case, but here’s my take -
These boys were underage drinking and drugging - terrible.
They were creeped out by an old man they thought was high or trippin, and acted like a bunch of mean girls - terrible.
Others came around to their defense and escalated things - terrible.
That being said, this man acted like a total creep that day, and if you’ve ever had teen brothers, or raised teen boys, you know that they act like idiots a lot of the time, whether drunk or not. This man ran over to them, stuck his hands in their stuff, touched one of their legs, stayed there after being asked to leave, and refused to just walk away, which he EASILY could have done over and over again. He got physical first, and then it was on. No one pulled weapons, no one threatened to kill him, no one trapped him. He gutted and stabbed several people, and walked away like nothing happened. The most damning thing for me is that he took no action - he should have called 911 himself, should have looked for or approached police himself, tossed the knife, acted like he had no clue what happened, lied to detectives, and played dumb. That is total consciousness of guilt! And that’s why I believe they charged him the way they did. Personally I believe he’s guilty af, but we’ll see what the jury says.
Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
Even if it were 50/50 in the comments, this is a FOX "News" channel, so there will be more conspiracy theorists, preppers, 2A fetishists, and right-wing nutters in here.
Perfectly stated..
He didn't leave bacause he dropped his snorkel and their tubes went over the top of it. So he was waiting on them to move downstream so he could look for his snorkel
@@michellespeight5972 Michelle that just doesn't jive with the facts of this case. He could have SAID that. He didn't. He just kept feeling all around, in their tube, putting his hand on one of their legs...that is just creepsville! He easily could have stated his intentions, but he never once did. You can't look at this case though without looking at all of it. There is no defense for what he did to those boys - no defense for what he did after that - walking away, throwing the knife, lying to cops, playing dumb...he KNEW that what he did was wrong immediately. He had to go down for this.
The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so,
In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences.
Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part. In teens' brains, the connections between the emotional part of the brain and the decision-making center are still developing-and not always at the same rate. That’s why when teens have overwhelming emotional input, they can’t explain later what they were thinking. They weren’t thinking as much as they were feeling.
Although the brain stops growing in size by early adolescence, the teen years are all about fine-tuning how the brain works. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions.
Changes to the areas of the brain responsible for social processes can lead teens to focus more on peer relationships and social experiences. The emphasis on peer relationships, along with ongoing prefrontal cortex development, might lead teens to take more risks because the social benefits outweigh the possible consequences of a decision. These risks could be negative or dangerous.
Because the teen brain is still developing, teens may respond to stress differently than adults. This could increase teens’ chances of developing stress-related mental illnesses such as anxiety and depression.
If I compare the brothers Dante and Tony, I can clearly relate to what you are saying. Tony, the big brother, is much more sensible in what he does. Dante is using the "stoneage" part of his brains.
Exactly. It's like if a bunch of 6 yr olds pushed or hit an 18 yr old. Would you excuse the 18 yr old for stabbing them? Absolutely not. You'd expect the older one to walk away.
thank you for taking the time to explain this. being a teen was tumultuous for most of us, but these kids had to deal with lockdowns and isolation on top of it.
If miu, as a grown-ass adult, can’t disengage and ignore some obnoxious high schoolers and return to his wife and friend group to enjoy yalls outing he should have stayed home and watched espn or build a birdhouse. try being a young woman in public. we aren’t allowed to knife groups of friends who speak to us crudely or even threateningly.
miu likely knew those boys were there and being raucous when he insisted on going back to look for the lost phone (miu was backtracking). all his behavior before and after and his demeanor and smirk during the attack come off as someone wanting to punish rather than someone wanting to survive. those young people deserved to live their lives and grow from their mistakes without the trauma miu inflicted on them.
@@jayemm7942 i absolutely agree with you 110% and that’s what I’m meaning he’s a grown man and his brain function is working fully so he should have known better etc
This is an excellent point that I assume most people keep in mind when dealing with teens, but lots of people here are so harsh judging the teens. I think the changes in hormones are also huge stressors for them, leading to challenges regarding emotion regulation and impulse control.
Some of y'all need your head checked. Miy was so terrified that he charged at these kids, stopped them from leaving, pulled out a knife, struck a woman, stabbed 5 others and then lied to the police...... hmm. Sure
dude needs to be set free and all charges dropped.
If Miu was so "frightened".......why didn't he walk away? It's common sense to RUN for your life if you feel "threatened" by a "mob" of people.
Agreed. Miu supposedly made a weird comment, the boys reacted. They wouldn't have made that sh*t up as they were just out there having a good time. Miu was being weird and in their space. Miu had a chance to leave, but in fact, he returned. I wouldn't have done ANY of that. Then he lied about who had the knife. I feel like Miu was the instigator from the very beginning.
it looks like Miu wanted to go after these kids and was just staying there to wait for the “touch” his look and not saying anything - kind of says a lot instead of being the “adult” and just walk away from the boys laughing
Regardless of him acting weird, they put hands on him first. Plus who knows what he actually said, if anything. He was looking for a girls phone, he could have said he was looking for a girl or “little girl’s” phone and they misinterpreted that.
@@TwoShoes-ji2wtyou don't know for sure if they would or wouldn't have made it up though
First of all this grown man ran up to, lunged at, and touched/assualted these teens first. He started the physical altercation. Yelling someone or even calling someone a name is not grounds for a massacre like this. I’m tired of people making excuses for murderers. You don’t get to start the fight then kill someone when you start loosing the fight.
What are you talking about? It has been proven the kids started this mess.
You do know that not one person actually admits to swing that girl get hit, they either said they were told, saw her head move, someone was in their line of view, they came at him and they all admit he didn’t come at any of them, even stated he said nothing to them except he was looking for a phone, he was then told to get the f out of here, they don’t own the lake, you can tell ppl who defend these teens and adults only watch bits and pieces of this. Did you not hear the girl say I was scared he dint say anything, are you kidding me you’re scared bc a man who isn’t bothers you, and is being called names doesn’t say anything so your scared. Now they act like he has to talk to them, he has to answer questions to make them feel safe, he can’t be on the river without them knowing why, he can’t look for a phone without being called a pedo. Do you know how many ppl have been killed when mobs think they are pedos and attack them, that is one of the worst things you can say about someone. These kids all lied during police interviews,,then again right before trial when questioned again, then all lied in the stand. It’s obvious they were coached, using the same words to describe them, all saying they were afrofbone man who said nothing, and did nothing, the girl they said he hit(at trial) c
Mgot in his face, she approached him, the B only ppl stabbed were the ones who touched him, isn’t that funny that other ppl standing in the group just yelling stuff didn’t get cut or stabbed, it was only Kobe’s who kept knocking him down and physically assaulting him. This is the lawyer that got Kyle rotten house off, he’s walking. It’s so great that teens record their crimes and hand the evidence in to police. Anything that the group did they don’t remember, they all watch him being struck, pushed, etc but they don’t see any of the friends doing it.
You idiot! They started by shouting at him! If all these teens & everyone else would have minded their own business, this innocent self defense man wouldn't be here in court with all the lying "witnesses". Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
You don't know why he was running toward them. Maybe he thought the guy had his phone?
@@bambilackner let’s wind the clock all the way back. He was lurking around kids, they ask him to leave and start yelling at him, he says nothing and lunges at them and touches them and their tube. THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES RIGHT THEN BUT THEY DID NOT. So now what?? Time continues and then at some point the older girls come over and ask and yell for him to leave ( women who were smaller). Why did he not leave? People said they saw her being hit and came to her aid. I repeat 1) He just about attacked the first boys by running up to them and touching them so for him to be upset because a 5’5 women touched his shoulder while holding a cell phone and a beer is ridiculous. He is clearly English speaking when the cops show up so why is he acting as if he doesn’t understand when the kids ask him to leave them alone. We have to get to a point in the world where murder is not excusable. We have a so called Christian country we’re people keep defending murderers.
Oh, so lifting up your left arm and ‘pushing’ a man twice your size means it’s your fault you got stabbed. And because Maddy’s nose wasn’t broken or her teeth knocked out, he didn’t really slap her or punch her in the face. Defense lawyers are reprehensible.
Yes the defence is so pathetic, but theyve got nothing so are desperate and bullying.
Yes. Kids fault
@@kilnmasterkids fault 😂 lady must live with cats bye weirdo
@@cavandrayesss...the defense has nothing ..but a wonderfully incriminating video taking " for the CULTURE" 😅 by Mr CocKfield ! thanks Mr. CoCk field you exposed your own lies and all of your drunken asshat friends😂🫡🔥
"Pushing" ??? Did you see the Video?
The Prosecution is SO bad! It's like he's prosecuting his first case.
AGREED he is horrible at asking questions!! Lacks confidence and conviction.
Yeah it’s really a miscarriage of justice saving that guy be on this case. An embarrassment to their DA’s office
You are so right. It’s like he hasn’t planned his questions and has no clue where his examination is going. He’s incompetent at best and a moron at worst. I vote moron.
I bet she wishes she had kept your mouth shut and minded her own business.
split tails always gettin in the middle and throwing gas on the inferno
this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason
. the whole situation is dumb
LMAO at these witnesses. For me, it is the parents to blame. My wife and I would never let our teenagers going out alone with another group of teens. When the toughness didn't go your way, you're on TV trying to show that your kid was the next best thing even when he's caught getting drunk and smoking weeds. Also, What type of parent are you sending your drunk youngsters over to break up a fight?
Unfortunately I have a grandson with this type of behavior. I know the type. And they do get out of hand. He better watch out. One day he will f with the wrong bull.
(Zoë’s Mum) your poor kids!! All normal and sane parents DO let their teenagers socialise with OTHER teenagers 🤷🏼♀️🙇🏼♀️Are you crazy or in a cult😩🙄🫣
@@zoeknap9777 I guess some people will never learn. There are certain events that kids can hang out by themselves. There are events that must have some adults supervision. No I’m not in a cult, I’m just a smart parent that refuses to put my kids in harm way. Your definition of normal parents is the reason we have kids behaving the way they are.
@@zoeknap9777 great parenting 😂😂😂
this is the dumbest comment ive ever heard
In his ex wife’s testimony, she saw the defendant at the 1st group of young tubers, he then walked some distance through the river to his tube and group of tubers, then returned to the 1st group of young tubers. He went back to the 1st group of young tubers that commenters are saying he was frightened of and was just defending himself against. If this was on dry land with cars we’d be saying the defendant had a road rage incident, went back to his car to get a weapon and returned with more rage and a weapon.
You win the worst take award out of every commenter on all 6 days of the trial so far.
Some of my observations so far.
- This has to be one of the most stale Prosecution attorneys I've ever seen. He has all the empathy of a loaf of bread. No stage presence whatsoever.
- The Judge is an angry, impatient fellow. Doesn't seem to like the Defense.
- The Defense is more compelling than the Prosecution
- There are always technical issues. Pulling up slides/clips takes way longer than they should
- I find myself rooting for the defense. We'll see if that changes as the trial goes.
Same!
The TEN Essentials (which includes a knife) is what anyone would and should have on an outdoor trip - whether that is hiking, camping, climbing...etc including rafting. Having a knife seems reasonable. It's unfortunate that more wasn't communicated and/or everyone had just parted ways immediately.
Such a tragic event and condolences to Isaac's family and all those injured. The alcohol increased the likelihood that things would get out of control and things escalated so quickly.
Prayers for all
totally normal
This was non of their business yet they chose to be nosy. Ended up stabbed. fuck around, you just may find out. People have no respect. People have died from being jumped because bullies think they own the streets now, in this case a river. If they had stayed minding their own business, they would not have been stabbed. The audacity. I pray every day God keeps idiots like this away from me and mines. I also don't be sticking my nose in other people's business. The instigator needs to be charged; the black kid and also all the adults that let the underage teens drink.
Aj up there just making up stories...gang of lieing kids, laughing and beating up an older man. What was he going to do? He was defending himself..period.. the verdict is BS
Let's be honest, he was acting weird, and he didn't exactly need to be in those teens personal spaces. How hard was it for him to keep a distance. Not hard at all. Instead he chose to punch and stab with a knife indiscriminately, because he wasn't respected in the way he felt he deserved.
This is not self defense, it is a mass stabbing done by a man who feels enraged and humiliated.
He throws away the knife, in an attempt to get rid of the evidence, and he lies about everything that had just occurred. He tries to make his escape, when he is confronted with police, and detained. He acts like he doesn't know what is going on. Did he ever try to help the victims? who were fighting for their very lives at that moment? Did he try to explain to the police his "self defense" situation? Did he act like he had justly defended his life? No, not at all. He acted like a murderer who was trying to disappear.
What do you think would have been the end result if Mr. Miu would not have defended himself? The kids were attacking him.
If they would have just shut up for three seconds and listened to what he was trying to say maybe it wouldn't seem so weird. But - they didn't want the fun to end. And so they persisted in the belligerent idiocy.
@@sargecomstat4755 What was he trying to say
‘Personal spaces”? They’re in a river.
@@joni3503most likely that he was enjoying the snorkeling or that he was looking for his friends possession
why dont they just admit it after the fact. they really trying to make the guiy go to jail for life because they started a fight drunk and got stabbed. just say like yeah we provoked him it was unfortunate situation, for everybody.
Why didn’t Nicholae call the cops? He was scared? Why didn’t he just admit right afterward that he stabbed 5+ people? I don’t understand that.
BTW… teens lie. To try to stay out of trouble with mom and dad. You’ll learn that if you have kids.
(Zoë’s Mum) I just cannot handle the way he says to the cop “someone was stabbed??? Really??” Like it was a complete and utter shock and surprise to him- that is slightly MORE than lying that is downright deceitful!!!
Here we have six wiseass teenagers egging on a man looking for a phone and they are going to film it for laughs. The poor guy should have just not paid attention to them but for whatever reason he got involved with them. Now these morons act like they’re scared of him and call for help they didn’t need. The other group comes into it not knowing what is really going on and becomes aggressive with the man not knowing what these teenagers have dragged them into. They get in the man’s face and now this man has two groups of idiots ganging up on him. He feels hopeless and defends himself. He tries to walk away but can’t because they surround him. This is what happens when people drink and do drugs. Can’t convict this poor man for the stupiidity of the idiots that started this.
If it wasn’t for the video we wouldn’t know the real truth. They would of killed this poor man.
Why 17 yr old drinking
Lack of parental supervision letting the little punks think they can do whatever they want.
It’s Wisconsin, the drinking age with an adult is 14 so by the age of 17 your seasoned veteran😮
@user-zr6wv4xu6e User without a name, nobody says that anymore.
@user-zr6wv4xu6e And I notice you saying it while being too chickenshit to put your name on your account. Jesus fuck I’m a Boomer and I haven’t used that word since the 70s.
@@RDFitzwaterGoogle translate seems to think he is calling them “Baptist” in another language.
The question is to any male on here same age as Miu, would you have reacted the same way under the same circumstances???
What’s your point??
Most likely. 1 vs 13 and being assaulted. Now what he did afterwards was panic, should of call 911 and wait for the police.
Yes and no. I'm not him. Same age but I'm a runner. A puzzy. I would of ran. But I give him credit for having balls to show these liberal he don't play. This ain't some liberal movie.
@@kilnmaster how do you run in waist deep water
@@commiesnzombies did I say that?
Who ever keeps clicking their pen is driving me crazy.
All they did is harrass this guy, where is all there fucking charges...huh?
this guys sat in jail for 2 years now I hope he sues them all including the state
He will be in jail for a lot longer too.
I feel like if Miu had called the cops himself and cooperated with them 100% - if he had tried to play the victim while still in the moment, even just a little - the narrative would be very different. No way he’d be facing a murder charge - maybe negligent homicide or manslaughter. He might’ve even walked.
Ditching the knife, attempting to evade LE and then lying to them makes him look guilty af imo.
Yep in a self defense scenario the first one to call 911 to tell their story wins!! If he said he was attacked by a group of people and defend himself and stayed for the police he would not be charged or would have a better defense.
Have you seen how cops are these days? They just put about 300 bullets in a 15 year old girl the other day for no reason. Arresting homeowners for trying to get squatters out of their home. How dumb can you be?
Not at all....
He was looking for his PHONE😂😂 how could he call the cops omg you people...he was literally trapped and surrounded. I guess he could have asked one of the teenagers for a phone....🤔..Nahhhhh....
@@ironmaven1760 He was looking for someone else’s phone, actually. Someone in his group of five or six people, most who had phones. They had ample opportunity to contact the cops after the incident, including in person on the river. Instead, if they could have they would have left and went home w/out talking to anyone. Which, like I said, doesn’t make him look good, imo.
3:16:03 super detailed answer .. hmmmm I hope they can show some evidence. “He had her by the head and then pulled her hair” so there’s no mentioned about the punch when he first said that to the police? The inconsistency is very uncanny.
All of these drunken, drug fueled kids are rotten to the core. They caused this to happen. They should be in jail.
Mister I wanna snitch but I don't wanna be on camera... you're full of ish! Such a load of bs. 💯
Bruh is guilty still stabbed 5 people at the end of the day 😅
The fact that he stabbed 5 people isn't the determining factor of his guilt though
Self defence trials wouldn't be a thing if that was the case come on now
I love how the ex-wife is completely not caring about any of it at all. Should really should be considered a hostile witness. Now these kids and this blonde woman screaming at him were in the wrong, but they didn't deserve to be stabbed by someone not saying a word and literally just walking around stabbing everyone and then walking away.
What a shallow take.
Ive always taught our daughters if you have the balls to hit a man ya better have the balls to get hit back. No, a man should never lay his hands on a female but a woman shouldn't act like a man and get up in his face. This is coming from a mom of 2 boys and 3 girls.
Great advice Mom.
I absolutely agree. As a female I would never hit a male or a female unless I expected to get hit back.
Run up and put your hands on a man , find out you’re a woman real quick!😀
Oh my heck what are these commenters thinking! This man needed to be a man and remove himself from the scene. He decided to stab everyone. He is guilty to serve life in prison. This lawyer for defence is an ass!
Self defense
@@jimhurst82you’re in for a shock
yes... people here r nuts
And whats going to happen to that intoxicated pack of hyenas?
I totally agree and the prosecutor is absolutely useless!!
These kids were drinking and smoking, and making bullshit accusations about the guy and then continued to bully him and laugh at him. And surround him. Who wouldn't feel threatened for there safty
Wasn’t mr mui drinking also ? , and we don’t even know what else .
This whole case is a real mess, i feel like everyone was at fault that day, im sorry for the kid that died.
Exactly. There are no winners here. Tragic.
This is textbook self defense. Nothing Mr. Miu did was wrong. He was simply looking for a phone and 13 people crowded around, harassed him, assaulted him and created so much confusion that nobody in the area knew what was going on anymore.
Miu did none of that. He only defended himself. Hes 50+, just had a heart attack and life is fragile and he has no responsibility to have another heart attack as he waits for these future school shooters' mental illnesses to calm down.
How on earth does the state think this is a winning case ??? Total self defense. And the amount of TIME wasted repeating the same thing over and over is annoying.
The videographer on this day is not great. So many times I wanted to see what was on the screen and the camera was focused on the whole group or on a witness. Super frustrating.
It's very clear that he started to walk away but there was some that kept on hurrassing him.
I felt bad for the teens now not so much 😮 this was tragic someone lost their lives to the parents of the boy that died I am sorry for you're loss 😢
To the teens that Alta made this happen hope you all have learned something.
There is a reason it's 21 age to legally drink this is the biggest example of why ...
Tragic all the way around 😮😢😮😢😮😢 💔💔💔💔💔💔😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Why is the prosecutor doodling during the trial?! 🤣 what was the point of that?!
All of that nonsense just to say “I’ll just move on” 🤣 this dude..
He has no case. He must have thought he had one when he brought it to trial, but by now after watching the first 3 days in full and half of today (the 6th day), I can tell you, this case is done. Its a joke. This is the worst trial Ive ever seen. Its clear all the witnesses have collaborated to lie about the phrase "I am looking for little girls" and the fake punch to the girls face with no evidence beyond a bunch of violent kids saying it happened.
Its crazy. Ive watched many trials in full and never seen so many coordinated lies as I do here. They forget almost every detail that would help the defense and somehow they ALL remember with clarity when he said hes looking for a little girl. Same with the punch. They all somehow knew it happened though most of them admit they never even saw it. Some say they heard her get punched but never heard him get punched multiple times. Absolute joke.
They should rename this river Amnesia River.
These are you people that haven't experienced much of life. What they have learnt is how to lie badly . What they need to understand is this court is not the one's that they need to make amends with. I'm very old have seen a lot of thing's . Not all good. But I do know for sure is karma is a absolute Bitch. And it catches you off guard. Believe me you will pay. For all ŵrongs in this lifetime.
Miu pulled the first punch at a girl no less. Sure the teens were being obnoxious but no one did anything to him b4 he slugged the girl. How would any guy Rx to seeing some creep hit a girl they know? Still, the jackass didn't leave even when they were telling him to. Then he decides to start knifing 4 people, killing one and seriously injuring 2 others? I hope he gets a long sentence b/c he has a screw loose. Self defense? I don't see it. Verbal jousting vs. a deadly weapon isn't justified.
Hmm.. I have yet to see a “slug” a “punch” any kind of contact with that girl. She’s seems like a drunk belligerent ass who only escalated the assault on the defendant.
That's what they said. At no point did anyone see it or record it that bit but we do he the girls come over to something that had nothing to do with them, because they werent even from the same group as as the guy that was yelling out just for the fun of it that Mr Nicholae Mui was a rapist and a pedo. Then they started getting in his face yelling and they were the ones that made the first contact with Mr Mui. So it's a stretch to believe that even happened. Probably an exaggeration of him swiping her hand away from his face so in all honesty she's probably the one that caused the chain of events to happen by getting involved because the guy that's when he started making the pedo and rapist remarks when he saw the girls.
The prosecutor is showing still frames instead of playing the video bc the video proves that those little bastards poked a bear, and well you seen what happened. It was self defense that man is innocent.
He went up to THEM. HE didn’t walk away towards his group of people. Even if he did it because he was scared/self defence what kind of person can stab and kill someone and continue on tubing down the river like nothing happened? Taking pics afterwards? Lying about it? He had zero remorse.
He walked up to then so they call him a pedophile and rapists?
Adrenaline
Shock?
An adult man with hurt feelings over the rants of obnoxious teenaged boys.
Just show your knife, don’t hide it, and walk away. Cry in your tube when you get back to your group over how a bunch of teenaged boys called you names and scared you so much…
Self-defense
First of all this grown man ran up to, lunged at, and touched/assualted these teens first. He started the physical altercation. Yelling someone or even calling someone a name is not grounds for a massacre like this. I’m tired of people making excuses for murderers. You don’t get to start the fight then kill someone when you start loosing the fight.
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You see what these kids do when not rioting, looting and burning police cars.
@@FlowerPow-tz1cnI agree with you sensible person
Kids even admit drinking under 21
Why not? were one of the only countries that prohibited nonsense like drinking at 21+ but willing to die in the military at 18.
Tons of teenagers drink. You probably did.
big deal
That's the only thing they've been truthful about
@@TRVBALI feel like his comment is aimed at people who see this situation and then hyper focus on their age
"He murdered a child"
Technically yes but let's be specific that child was one birthday away from being able to join the army
That's a big damn child
That's how I read his comment and I agree to be honest
These were minors but these were teenagers
In my mind that is not the same as a "child" which usually denotes a small kid
Fucked up situation all round
They created a frenzy and incited a crowd. They labeled an innocent man a pedophile - he was subsequently judged and treated as though he was one. He was then attacked by a baying, laughing mob. This man was never given an opportunity to defend himself. The ‘adults’ are fully responsible for what happened next and they should be ashamed of themselves. They did not give him a chance to explain himself. They incited violence and triggered a tragedy and I hope remember that for the rest of their lives.
Isaac Schuman and the other teens would never have escalated the situation without the boost they got from the adults. Every adult involved in that conflict should be charged.
One of the brilliant defense lawyers is Corey Chirafisi who defended Kyle Rittenhouse. I am 100% convinced Mui will be found not guilty.
This kid pushed him he had NO intentions of breaking anything up.
as an adult male these bold accusations would cause a reaction out of me on my worst days especially if i was drinking. Add the Mob like environment i can understand the high stress situation. The third party really failed these kids. At no point did they even try to deescalate the situation. Truly feel for this group friends nobody teaches how to lose a friend no matter the circumstances.
He went to the young group , went back to his group then back to the group of teens ?????
Making of a murderer is Wisconsin case too and the Kyle case? Yea never living in this woke state. This man should not be on trial. All 13 should be held accountable.
Wisconsin is a “Woke” state?! Since when?! I visit there regularly and all I ever see are Trump signs 😂
But I do agree with those 13/14 kids being charged as well.. they bullied that man for no reason other than he was an easy target..
@dabsallday9938 it must have changed, seems like alit of trashy peeps who disregard the law
@@Wildirishmanbiker or maybe just certain areas are Woke and the areas I go to are conservative!!
@dabsallday9938 yea I would assume that it should be more conservative politically, disturbing that this younger generation thinks it's appropriate to act in the manner they did with a tragic ending.
Ooh gess this why drinking is illegal intil 21 we forget that how they get alcohol
All this bastard had to do is turn around and leave!
did you watch the video????? they chased him down and surrounded him then knocked him down.
@@isashishayou must not have seen the video.
He walked away, they followed him.
@@lynnetmb4706no you didn’t and you didn’t hear all the witnesses say he walked away, never said anything except he was looking for a phone , but bc he wouldn’t say anything that was scary to them, “that’s what they said” so bc he wouldn’t talk it also made them mad. He’s going home no jury’s going to convict him, he was defending himself against 13 ppl, including grown adults
@@bambilackner they are NOT going to let him off scott free.
He took a life.
Even he knows that. Look at him. He’s done.
6:52:17 this line of questions is pointless. Why are they putting this kid on trial...he just recorded the incident... pointless!!
It shows that he’s lying and his story has changed multiple times.
You know ALCOHOL was triggering factor in all of the parties involved.
I believe that none of this would have ended up with one dead and 4 others injured if not for ALCOHOL and DRUGS!
The defendant SHOULD have walked away.He was the ADULT and should have acted as such!
The teenagers should have kept their big mouths shut and left him alone. They just incited what happened!
However this being said… pulling a knife SHOULD Have NEVER happened even if he was scared. I believe he was scared but I do not believe his life would have ended. WEAPONS SHOULD ALWAYS STAY OUT OF ANY DISCUSSION, that includes hands. Nothing good comes from WEAPONS!!! Ever!!!!!
Isn’t there an age limit for jurors?
Nope
Never has been unfortunately First time jury duty for me was in my early twenties.
Jury duty for me age 20
Pretty sure it's 18.
After watching most of this trial. I’ve concluded that the witnesses might not be lying, instead just totally ignorant.
Two wrongs dont make a right. I don't condole bullying and provocation how ever, a murder and physical harm by stabbing has been committed regardless! It baffles me some of these comments justifying Mui's crimes🤦🏼♀️
(Zoë’s Mum) These young people are so polite and patient , I would have told the defense lawyer to ferk off by now, seriously- he is so condescending!!
Miu put himself in a bad spot, especially by being drunk and initiating the altercation. Not saying the teens were innocent, but Miu certainly made bad decisions to provoke things. And people.......Miu never looked scared and had amble opportunity to get away and chose to play the role of Michael Myers instead.
He also lied to police saying the teenagers had knives and he took it from them in self defense. He hid the weapon and attempted to blend in with the crowd meanwhile helicopters and police were surrounding the area. He knew he lost his temper and took things way too far. Just a typical drunken fight over a bunch of kids being smart asses and this man couldn’t control his anger. Period.
I totally disagree..if you recall the second group of young offenders ..thats what this had escalated into...they couldn't move forward because the first group where blockingbthem...had they moved on ..none of this would have occurred...loud mouth girls showing off in front of a group of louder mouth men...intoxicated, drugged..and totally ignorant...he had a good right to be scared being pushed down so many times...its the youth that escalated the violence not the defendant. ❤
I have heard nothing but lies and i can't remember with these young men and women...the all look like deer in headlights leaving the stand...not one even looked at the man...pure and utter shame on them.
I heard one man say, from a distance, he thought he was drunk. His ex said he was not. Even if Mui hit a woman who charged him yelling and hitting him, that would not justify the teens actions. He looked for a phone, he turned to walk away to continue to, the teens’ actions took it from there until he felt he had to defend himself. I would’ve felt the same.
@@kellym4747 What are talking about? He was the first to hit anyone.
"the teens’ actions took it from there until he felt he had to defend himself." What actions did the teens make that required him to "defend himself"? Last I checked calling someone names and being obnoxious is not a justification to attack people. He charged the boys FIRST, he put his hands on the boys FIRST. Before the woman charged him, before being surrounded by everybody, before all of it. Nobody had touched him until AFTER he touched the boys first. Nobody hit him until AFTER he hit the girl FIRST. Why does he get to defend himself when someone charges him but the others are not allowed to defend against his initial charge and assaults?
Prosecution is failing. I have numerous times thought of proper questions and needed questions to ask. Hmmm...
As a retired police lieutenant, I can tell you for a fact that this prosecutor is incompetent at best. He’s not prepped and he can’t control his exams. Mostly they object to the defense only when it’s blatant that their witnesses are lying on the stand. Objection, your honor my witness is making me look like a fool and I object on grounds that my witness is a liar.
Wow, I can’t believe how much that guys wife lied. With her testimony, it’s obvious she’s trying to hide facts. How could she after a child was killed and others critically injured. Absolutely pathetic.
Even on stand admit drinking that law breaker
Ms. Ryhley M doesn't look 25. She looks to be 20 years older. Alcohol and drugs effects the way some people ages. She probably started drinking as a 14 year old along with friends in jr. high. 🤔 Glad she survived her stabbing. 🙏🕊️💟
She wouldnt have gotten stabbed if she didnt attack and harass the man along with everyone else.
None of these kids had any business even talking to him. Hes allowed to go near them to look for a phone.
This whole case is textbook self defense.
@@DrummerJacob this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason
sad stuff
I dont get the significance of ," he hit a woman!" Statement? In today's age the sex does not matter. Why do people default to a woman needing some extra protection anymore? They are equal to men in every way(or so we are told). And according to every movie being made women now can beat up 5 or 6 guys at a time. It would be apparent to me it would be more serious if he had hit a man. These kids are acting like him hitting a women, who was acting like a man and right up in the middle of things, is wrong which does not jive with today's ideas.
Couldn’t agree more
You are correct, and in this case the woman was very aggressive. Still, it’s just a fact that most men are physically bigger and stronger than most women, and can inflict a lot more harm.
You know that saying..."with equal rights come equal lefts" But these females that wanna get loud and aggressive and get in peoples faces are always the first ones to cry out loud "he hit a girl" after they get punched in the mouth. And that was the excuse the others used to then assault him also when he was pushed down in the water. You can hear them saying "He hit a girl? He hit a girl?" repeatedly before punching him.
Many women can't imagine physical consequences for their actions because they're so protected from that in this country. Many women do understand this man had to defend himself but many don't get it because it would be so much less likely a situation for them to be in.
Dosent remember because drinking
With the tubes teathered together...they cannot float by him.
Even when the killer got out of their way, if the teenagers had kept floating downstream, they would have been abandoning the people who came to help them. That includes the two girls who got there first. I can't think of too many guys who would do that, if only because they'd be embarrassed.
The perfect storm, anger, hate, machismo, alcohol and the terrible catalyst that is the evil instigator!
They were taunting this man. Older gentlemen I believe it was self defense 13 people against 1 man he feared for his life.
Feared for his life? He was the one with the weapon. All they had was loud obnoxious mouths.
If he didn’t hide his knife, show them he had one, they would have let him walk away…albeit probably laughing and yelling insults at him. But at his “old age” eventually he would have been far enough away he wouldn’t have heard them. He could have cried over his hurt feelings later. And no one would be seriously hurt or dead.
Self defense !
Take care of your kids. Especially teenagers and young adults. Thats when they are at most emotional stage
I feel like Miu was on something. Maybe mushrooms? This is just WEIRD!
That lady that came over, put her hands on him and shoved her phone up in his face started the whole chain of events and then Cockfield started inciting a riot and filming it for his stupid internet clout so they could upload a tiktok video of the big young drunk and drugged thugs embarrassing and slapping around a older guy, holding him down in the water while jumping around like monkeys and shouting. It was obvious that Cockfield was causing the violence to escalate, I dont think the drunk thugs intended to kill Mui, but we will never know
Thank you
Self Defense by Nikolai.
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Anybody with a brain would not stuck around there and argue with kids. He should have went back to his wife. Then the problem would have been solved he was the adult and should have acted like one. No one was keeping him from leaving....
Completely agree. He allowed a bunch of teenagers acting and yelling like the boisterous teens they were , hurt his feelings and he knifed them. Killing one. He’s a pathetic excuse for a “man”. An adult man at that. With presumably a well developed brain, who could have brandished the knife, told them to back off, and walked away. Instead he hid the knife.
The man was protecting himself against a bunch of young adults.
Dude recording was the instigator. Dont be calling people pedophiles and rapers. He is the boy who cried wolf.
Where would they have got the idea of calling him a pedo if he didn’t say something about little girl ? I mean sure they could have just came out with it but what are the chances of coming out with that verses any other obnoxious stuff ?
It’s extremely likely they came up with it on their own. If you’re online enough you’ll notice how often people are called that these days on different social media platforms. There are RUclips channels that expose pedos and confront them to make a video. Every other week it seems lots of celebrities or content creators are “exposed” for talking to minors and being “cancelled”. It’s a very prevalent topic online lately, and this generation knows the dog pile that occurs as a result of an accusation like that, because they see it everyday online. The slightest odd behaviour turns into you being a creep, and probably a pedo.
Kids bit off more than they could chew
Glad he was found guilty. Justice was served here with this jury.
By day 3, every prosecution witness sounds like they are in a mass hysteria event. Their memories of the day are completely obliterated by what they have heard others say and the videos they've seen. Why they would put Larrion Davis on the stand is beyond me.
Man, I would never want Michael Bryant as a defense attorney. His insight is worse than the newscaster's.
They didn't let him walk away this is why I say don't inject themselfs into it. Now look what happened they should have let him walk away but they kept harassing him, poking the bear they call it.
Opp I never heard a Judge have too raise his voice at one of the Lawyers 😳