When legends revives Palpatine it takes it's time with two whole books When Disney revives Palpatine they gloss over it with a short sentence and a fortnite crossover.
@@buki3009 legends had a plethora of new villains, whereas Disney consistently fails and falls back on re-using the same characters and cherry picks from Legends. Honestly, using episodes 1-6 alone is a really good substitute. It's a nice story with a solid ending. Although I personally use The Clone Wars and Rebublic Commando for extra prequel content, and then the Expanding Universe for everything after 6.
@@cybersilver5816 oh yeah i forgot the clone war it was pretty solide, i'll try to read legend , it has the potential to be good the only thing i won't like it surely palpatine coming back because even if it is well established at the end anakin died for nothing .
@@buki3009 Oh, I see the confusion! Legends isn't a book, it's the name for all Star Wars media (books, games, comics, etc) that came out in between episode 6 and when Disney bought Star Wars from George Lucas. It's an entire universe of original content approved by Lucas Films to some extent. I highly recommend you read the beginning of this Wookieepedia article to get a better understanding of what Legends (aka Expanding Universe or EU for short) is about and why it exist starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends Also, even though Palpatine coming back does undermine Anikan/Vader's sacrifice, it's still (spoiler) Luke who defeats him in the end.
The interview with George and Kennedy proved her a liar since George offered to help and had story treatments/outlines for 7, 8 & 9. He also told her that there were a lot of great stories in the Expanded Universe novels that they could draw from. Then she promised him that his characters would live on as he intended. Her first order of business: Turn Han Solo into a deadbeat dad and kill him off. Her second order of business: Turn Luke Skywalker into an abject failure and kill him off. Her last order of business: Bring back Palpatine in the most unbelievable way imaginable, with ZERO explanation, thereby negating Anakin's redemption and sacrifice at the end of RotJ. They made MaRey Sue a PALPATINE, killed off the last of the Skywalker bloodline (Kylo Ren) and had Rey hijack the Skywalker name. Instead, they could've made the Thrawn Trilogy and made every OG fan and all non-SJW fans happy. Those movies would've made billions more than this Disney crap.
You fool's they're always must be balance there's two ways for balance Sith and Jedi still exists and fight forever or how Rey did in Episode 9 all Jedi and Sith are dead and Rey becomes a grey Jedi.
Only thing i found unbelievable about it is where they got their food from (hydroponics is my guess, or horizontal farming or hell, just Food Paste Nr.17 now with 2000 kalories per gramm!) and how they did not mutiny after 10+ years without contact to anyone. Also sad that Daala the "Tactical genius" was twarted at nearly every step of her plans, i mean come on give that women at least one or two outsmarted enemies to show shes a real thread!
@@S2KEVIN Ye that one surprised me too, but I also laughed like J Jonah Jameson, considering I still have 3 comics from the late 90s I got in Germany one about Boba Fett, one about 2 bounty hunters stealing Jabba's treasure ship, and the last about Aurra Sing, still being a fallen force user.
Disney said they wanted to try and come up with everything on their own. Trying to ignore the legends, and start fresh. But they could've at least taken some inspiration from it. They don't have to copy/paste the whole thing, but take bits and pieces to make a good story.
Stop being like Fortnite players Mickey Mouse don't exist he is a animated character. Plus I am Half-life fan wich makes me smarter than you, because we fans of Half-Life at least respect what we have.
@@vernusred4757 First of all, Mickey Mouse is basically the mascot and total representation of disney...it means disney basically, how do you not know this? And, how does liking half-life make you smarter than the "rest" of us?
he sure did. Jeez TLJ screwed him up. Funny thing with legends Disney already had their strong female character ala lukes wife. That would've been more fun then mary su ray.
Indeed, I believe Mark Hamil said "I went from being married to a gorgeous redhead to having nothing" = Mara Jade, you know, red hair, black leather (ish)... attitude.
@@JustSumGuy01 Yup they were partners in another of Lando's many schemes. The complaints that there were no female characters that was any good in Star Wars is proven false time and again.
The Expanded Universe respected the movies that came before it and George Lucas's vision .It all came from a loving place , a care for the Star Wars universe . The Disney Canon comes from a jaded , spiteful feeling , spitting on all material that came before while simultaneously depending on it completely and copying it to create anything , be it movies or expanded content .All in a purely monetary pursuit and a lack of care for the property .
@@oolooo Lol yeah and Obi wan's direct speech in Attack of the Clones...'if droids could think then none of us would be here' indicates why ending Droid slavery would be an exceptionally bad move for organic life in the Galaxy
With the New Republic destroyed, the Sith gone, only one Jedi that is barely what you would consider “fully-trained”, and no promise of a united government in sight, the galaxy will be in complete chaos for the first time in over a thousand generations. Nice going, Abrams and Johnson.
@@joshg.5330 LOTR the BOOK had no flaws (except maybe being slightly overwritten, Tolkien had a tendency to drag on in his writing). The movies. Sure, there are flaws. But the sheer awesomeness totally overwhelms them. I've never read the book version of The Godfather, so I don't know how perfect it is. The movie, on the other hand, is absolute perfection. As is the first sequel (it might even be better than the original). The less said about Part 3 the better though.
It’s not “legends” - it’s the Expanded Universe. I don’t care what Disney says, this is the real continuation of the story and not whatever shit Disney threw together and called “Star Wars.”
What's funny to me is when the EU was canned, Disney believers shat on those who were upset, saying how the EU was full of superweapons and resurrected Palpatine, and Disney was smart to get away from that... What did Disney give us instead? Superweapons and resurrected Palpatines. Oh, and no new Jedi Order to fight them off.
The sequel and prequel trilogies would’ve ended up being so much better if Disney had decided against canning Legends. Sequel trilogy would’ve been so much better, prequel trilogy would’ve been a bit better.
A random HECU grunt. No it wasn’t? Legends content was still going strong after the prequels, Jacen Solo turning to the Darkside storyline was after the prequels, and even had books coming out during the Clone Wars 2008 cartoon.
Legends Luke: Bad ass jedi master that has a fully functioning jedi academy. Disney Luke: disgruntled senile old man incapable of training his nephew padawan.
I am counting the comics and tabletop game from the 70s/80s. If it came before 2014 and wasn’t a movie or the clone wars, then it’s legends. Also, that’s still plenty of time to create tons of continuity lockout. Certain franchises wrote themselves into a continuity corner in half that amount of time.
@@infamousempire8302 at least Legends had the tier system where you could just de-canonize something or not take it seriously because it's in the garbage bin tier. With Disney, everything is Canon.
That was the case. But an equally often occurrence was pulling on that older material in the newer ones (I.e. Timothy zahn using ships that originated in the 80s tabletop game). Additionally, Disney’s canon isn’t wildly contradictory and fits together relatively well from a broad viewpoint (legends does to, but Disney doesn’t have as much material as legends does). Case in point, Maul’s arc in clone wars ties in to the end of Solo, and the Battlefront game being directly tied to/based on the Post-Endor Novel series.
Fan fact: George Lucas worked on the story of the first Force Unleashed game and he had declared it an official part of the Star Wars mythos. The unofficial 4th prequel and the link between the two trilogies.
@Felix B Because it doesn't make sense for the Empire to divert attention and resources away from Starkiller Base to build the less capable Death Stars instead.
Starkiller Base eats a star every time it fires a shot. When the Empire controls all of explored space and owns all those stars, Death Stars are far more cost-efficient in terms of Imperial resources wasted.
Diana Vespid You don’t see the superiority of achieving the same goal (destruction of whichever planet you want) at far lower cost (not losing the resources of a star and any life on planets in that star’s system)? Death Star II is also infinitely more useful for fleet actions, once completed. It can methodically one-shot ships of any size over and over again, forcing the enemy fleet to retreat or surrender. SKB can’t even fire without melting any of your own ships that are anywhere in the vicinity of its beams. It also can’t fire multiple salvoes unless it jumps to a different system, drains that star, and jumps back to the battle.
Disney just wants to reset the StarWars originals in their own version with a new hero & their woke agendas... All the geopolitics of the star systems & struggles of the previous heros can be made non-existent with just a sentence in the starting screen roll... "Feel the power of the Disneyside"
@@edwardelric603 Don't say Tolkien now.....that's raising expectations way high. I have that book waiting on my shelf. As soon as Im done Last Command.
That’s because a lot of the books, games, etc. were outsourced to companies who were trying hard to stay reverent to the source material. In the case of Disney, they now own Star Wars, so they have the mentality that they can do what they want with it.
Legends: Thrawn is a complex villain who very nearly succeeded in defeating the Rebels, Han & Leia had a healthy marriage and had three kids, two becoming pivotal players, Luke was HAPPY, married and had a son, and Boba Fett was an indisputable badass who helped rebuild the Mandalorian race and even trained Han Solo's daughter! Disney: Thrawn gets defeated by a kid and sent into limbo, Han and Leia's marriage breaks apart and both have distasteful deaths, their only son is incoherently written as a character, Luke never married and lived a lonesome miserable life and even tried to kill his nephew for sensing a little conflict in him where he was convinced his father could be redeemed with the littlest light, and Boba Fett lost his armor and is moping around on Tatooine apparently incapable of reclaiming said armor and forgetting he's got Slave 1 parked somewhere.
The ideas presented in the Disney sequel trilogy are so simple and blatant. They're like the first drafts of fanfic ideas first time fans would come up with for the movies.
Yeah. Part 8 was the only one that tried to be original instead of just copying the original trilogy, but they basically ignored everything in that movie by the next movie
I've heard some people talking about how they want Disney to bring Mara Jade into the Disney Canon, but at this point I personally don't want Disney to ruin Mara Jade like they did with Luke and Leia.
Lmao and who they gonna hook up her with ? If they do that shit believe me they gonna create even more rift between the fans ... we're already in civil war with one another and that just adding fuel to the fire
Aye. Six years ago I would have given so much to have seen Mara Jade on screen. Now, though, I'm with you... please don't ruin any more of my beloved characters. It's so sad the difference a few years can make.
@@AzureKnight2 Yeah, sometimes I wish Lucas didn't give Star Wars to Disney, continued to just work on Clone Wars with Dave Filloni, expanding Prequels content. Sequels are just... yeah, well, you know.
Considering they didn't ruin either Luke or Leia I doubt they would ruin Mara Jade either. Particularly Luke was much better and more relatable a character in the Sequel Trilogy than the Old EU Luke ever was. Sequel Trilogy Luke was human and fallible, rather than the nearly invincible God mode Gary Sue Luke was in the Old EU. The Old EU Luke they had to either have out of the story, show up but do nothing, or get greatly weakened 99 times out of 100 just because he'd kill the plot if he both was there and was at 100%. Chances are they would've made Leia pretty damned awesome too had Carrie Fisher not died.
You know, if Lucasfilm had simply adapted the EU with slight changes here and there they would have had a massive cash cow on their hands. Everyone loved the EU, and while some people had disagreements, most loved the way the story followed Luke, Han, Leia, Jacen, etc. They didn't even have to write a story, just write an adaptation. Such a shame they decided to go a different direction.
All they needed to damn do was make theatrical remakes of major EU story arcs and give us a animated movies and series like how DC comics (fantastically) create for stories that aren't world ending important. Plus the EU could have just jumped to the future where the Legacy Era is and started doing new and original works since nothing from the past could really interfere with stories that far in the future. That's not saying to just forget past lore and make up new stuff that makes no sense but to make things that aren't just slightly better (or worse) rehashing of previous stories... Those greedy ignorant fools 🤦🏾♂️
Not everybody loved all the EU. Of course, the specific things they like the least were the specific things Disney robbed from it. The least controversial aspects of the EU (the slow breakdown of the Empire, its civil wars, the realistic and successful rise and perseverence of a New Repubic and New Jedi Order (as in, not "that happened but here's some handwavy explanation for how that was instantly undone as if it had never happened in the first place,") in the face of a series of new and varied challenges, changing balances of power and ideologies, realistic interpersonal conflicts) were abandoned. But clone Palpatine was retained. Also Sith Solo and somebody named Ben. But I say "robbed" because instead of taking specific EU ideas and incorporating them in ways that make less- or non-canon things (more) canon, with respect to their originators, Disney pilfers concepts from the Legends EU then dumbs them down in unnecessary ways so they merely resemble their original inspirations enough to let us know they're not original but are officially distinct enough for Disney to treat them as their own creations and not intellectually intimidating to theme park visitors. Things like Han & Leia have a kid who turns to the dark side, but they give him the name of Luke's EU kid (despite the fact it was, in fact, Luke who knew Obi-Wan on a close, personal level and called him Ben while Leia only vaguely knew of him until the last five minutes of his life, under his full name, and Han spent a full couple of days with this weird old wizard), and he turns to the dark side in a stupid way instead of an interesting way. Things like Palpatine is reborn, but in a stupider way. Things like Korriban exists, but is given a dumber name by switching the first letter to M and adding a D at the end so it has "Mor" in the name (get it??? Like death!!!) and "band" (get it??? like...bands...plus D is like a hard sound, like rock and there are a lot of rocks). Almost as a territory marker like they are really excited to correct fans of KotOR who refer to Korriban. Nothing from Star Wars can come in without them branding it (as in branding iron) as their property. "How do we brand Korriban, boss? We don't want people watching the show and forming an illegal headcanon that includes KotOR, the Sith species, Marka Ragnos, the Great Hyperspace War and all that..." "KotOR? What's KotOR? You're always going on about these things Johnson." "Knights of the Old Republic, boss." "Republic? What's that? You mean Empire?" "No, the thing from those other movies we own but pretend don't exist." "Ah, so you mean like the Jedis and the clones?" "Yes, but a video game set before that time. Thousands of years before." "There was a before? Before is bad; the prequels were bad enough. You mean like prequels to prequels? Like with even more talking and politics? More midichlorians? More screen time without the Millenium Falcon and shooting stormtroopers? Good God, Johnson. Never mind though. I won't even ask about the other hyperspace gobbledygook and Marco Ragu (I'm assuming our pasta sauce tie-in). What was the question?" "Korriban: how should we st---incorporate parts of the idea we think are cool looking?" "Depends. Did we create that KoTOR thing?" "No, Bioware, the same people we have running our online game. You know, the one like Fortnite and Runescape in space. They made it." "Them? They're not us! Take the thing but make sure to change some letters to make it sound cooler and pretend like we invented the idea. I hate Bioware. When we told them to reskin that Fortnite server so the Republic was the Resistance and the Sith Empire was the First Order and all the good Jedi were Rey and to have people attempting to play as Sith were given temp bans for hate speech, and to add Millenium Falcon DLC and replace the weird nerd planets with Porg Island they wouldn't do it."
Agree. Skip the Vong war stuff and adapt the Legacy arc would be my recommendation. Peaceful galaxy still recovering from war threatened by political issues, Jacen Solo gets drawn into the political intrigue and is corrupted by a dark sider, eventually becoming Darth Caedus, forcing Luke to fight him, although Jacen’s torture of Luke’s son Ben causes Luke to realise he cannot kill Jacen. Jaina Solo visits the Mandalorians to request their assistance, and eventually battles Jacen, fighting him to a standstill, and Jacen redeems himself for a moment by saving his hidden wife and child, but is killed anyway by Jaina. Allana Solo is taken in by the Jedi undercover, Luke could resign from being Grand Master and go on a pilgrimage with his son Ben, and thus ends the sequels.
There were quite a few cringe things about the EU tbh. All the new Canon had to do was avoid those pitfalls and add in some of the best characters while having the perfect blueprints to do it. But, you know, the new Lucasfilms just needed to have their Rebels vs Empire story again, and that's where all the issues stemmed from. Can't have a New Jedi Order or even a successful New Republic if you want a Rebels vs Empire thing again.
It really is amazing how the old Lucas Arts managed to keep thousands of books, comics, and games consistent in one big beautiful continuity, and Disney can't even make 3 films without fucking it up.
Agreed they did remarkably well connecting the EU and making the galaxy feel like a truly interconnected vast expansive nuanced and living place. Disney meanwhile has dumbed down the galaxy and made it such a tiny narrow boring dull place
Ryan C damn The Disney trilogy is made by idiots who don’t know thing one about Star Wars, social skills, or testosterone, for idiotic losers who also don’t know thing one about Star Wars, social skills, or testosterone so that they can be cool by nature of resentment.
Disney's perception of Star Wars as a whole is based on what an 8-year-old takes away from watching the original trilogy for the first time in his life. No subtlety, no greater context, no rhyme or reason, certainly no making sense or any restraint from what is perceived the most "cool" aspects of the story; in other words: shallow and superficial. The new trilogy is basically like an army exclusively consisting of bad-ass fighter jets and their pilots, but completely devoid of supply transport vehicles and their drivers, supply shipments and cooks, paperwork and office workers. Without any supporting infra structure - and consequently, incapable of sustaining itself. Concerning Disney's complete and utter lack of perpective and believable power/size ratios, I'll say it again: Starkiller Base, Rey's out-of-the-box abilities and the very _existence_ of the "First Order" are fan fiction abominations on the level of an 8-year-old's imagination. They are so obscenely out of scale against everything in the established canon that I like to think of them like this: Starkiller Base blowing up _several_ Republic planets *_simultaneously_* is like ISIS landing a surprise attack on New York harbor with a 20-mile-long aircraft carrier that shoots 3m diameter lasers from turrets and lighting from its ass. Nobody saw them coming, nobody knew they had it, and nobody can explain where they were able to get the gigantonormous *resources* required to build it. It does not make a shred of sense, because it is _completely_ out of proportion within the well established Star Wars universe.
It was more thought through, actual plots, and it actually made sense (don't even get me started on the "duels"). For instance: Luke Skywalker. Legends: He continued to persist and grow in the face of adversity. He knew the pull of the Dark Side and chose not to give in to it. Seeing the darkness in one of his students he always tried to find ways to turn them back to the light, using death as the final resort when all else failed. Continued to develop and rediscover force and lightsaber techniques to the point of near god-hood. Was able to retain his individuality in the Force hundreds of years after his death to assist his descendant Cade Skywalker and keep him from falling to the Dark Side completely. "Canon": He gave up and cut himself off from the Force after one incident where he saw Ben Solo's "future" and decided rather than trying everything to bring him back, instead to kill him in his sleep, rather than face him in open combat. After failing to end his nephew he went into hiding instead of trying to fix his mistakes, essentially running away. In other words Disney, you dun fucked up. Should've used the "non-canon" material.
Yeah, the whole shnitick with Cade's Force Healing ability is that he pulled from the Dark Side of the Force to use it, and his whole story was him constantly skirting on the edge of it.
Why don't we all just say it like it is. Disney killed the original EU, because they wanted to A. Simplify/dumb down any expanded universe content for newer Star Wars fans and B. Sell more merchandise without having to worry about crediting original authors/developers/content creators. That's why the Battle of Jakku, which was apparently the final battle of the Galactic Civil War happened only a year after The Battle of Endor. SO Disney could wrap it up in a year with their own content, versus the original EU, which had the Galactic Civil War ending something like 15 years or so after the Battle of Endor. Disney is dumbing it down for the new Star Wars fans.
They shoulda smacked all these casuals and only movie going Star Wars fans with a glorious theatrical adaptation of The Thrawn Trilogy and raked in the money.
@@blackshogun272 Yep. Or better yet, they could create it now (without any changes to the original outside of necessary film adaptations. I mean, who would have thought that Disney would turn down a chance to make even more money.
Iirc, in the Disney books the Battle of Jakku happened like 9 years after Endor, until it was changed in Battlefront 2. They couldn’t even stay with their own source material
You know, I was actually on board at first with the decision to do away with the old EU, especially when I heard LucasFilm was setting up an official Story Group to ensure continuity. Starting over with a clean slate would allow them to make the best possible Star Wars stories without having to worry about excessive retcons or writing themselves into a corner. Instead we got a derivative and inferior retelling of the OT, with no regard for world building, internal consistency or even a clear vision for the trilogy. The crowning irony of it all is they STILL ended up writing themselves into a corner because they had no plan, culminating in the absolute mess that is TRoS. As for the vaunted Story Group, they have not delivered on their mission statement, with numerous inconsistencies already cropping up in the current official canon and some events (such as an infamous fart orgy scene at a wedding in one book...I wish I was making that up) being rewritten and retconned. The times the Story Group has spoken up are usually pathetic attempts at damage control, desperately trying to hold the creaking continuity together with bubble gum and spit as people like J.J. Abrams, Rian Johnson, Lawrence Kasdan (man, what happened to you? You wrote ESB and RotJ, for God's sake!) and Chris Terrio run roughshod over it with absolutely no regard for consistency. That said, there is still a chance to turn things around. Kevin Feige (the man responsible for successfully helming the MCU) is apparently coming on board, and people like Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni have been killing it with The Mandalorian. My hope is, with the so-called "Skywalker Saga" complete LucasFilm will get its act together with the help of these talented individuals and we can move on while pretending the sequel trilogy never happened. Until then, I'll be sticking to mostly Legends.
Yeah, at this point, all my hope for future GOOD Star Wars movies rests on people like Dave Filoni; who's basically the closest Lucas ever had to an apprentice or padawan.
Best most balanced explanation of this whole damn mess, even if I disagree with them ever doing away with the original eu, still, this makes alot of sense. Good job!
I'm not exactly thrilled about the people behind Marvel capeshit seeping their way into Star Wars. And while Filoni was able to do good with TCW, Rebels and Resistance are certainly stains on his resume. Is Filoni actually talented, held back by Disney, or good when he works with a great mind like Lucas? I have no idea; hopefully he can do something better than ruining Thrawn, inter-dimension time travel bullshit, bringing back Darth Maul for no reason, neutering the Mandalorians, ruining Order 66 by retconning the method behind having the clones follow orders, or making General Grievous a comic relief character instead of the intimidating villain that he was in the 2003 Clone Wars series.
@@comicsans1689 You bring up some good points. I got rather bored of the MCU's formulaic approach and stopped watching it around Civil War. I also don't regard Dave Filoni as the untouchable savior of the franchise that many fans seem to believe. I didn't care for Rebels and Resistance either, and some of Filoni's ideas about the Force rub me the wrong way, such as Mortis and the horribly contrived World Between Worlds (God forbid his precious OC Ahsoka actually died facing Vader, even if it would have been far more impactful thematically to reinforce just how far Anakin had fallen to the dark side). That said, I think the pros do outweigh the cons. Rebels and Resistance were clearly hampered by executive meddling from LucasFilm higher-ups who wanted "kid-friendly" Star Wars content, hence the stark contrast in more mature content when compared to Clone Wars. Filoni seems willing to put aside his ego when collaborating with others as well, as seen by Jon Favreau's soft reboot of Mandalorian culture to their more militant roots. I was okay with Order 66 being retconned, as it added an additional tragic element to the event with regards to the clones. While I much preferred 2003 Grievous as well, it doesn't really mesh with the character's depiction in other sources. As for the MCU approach, I can at least give the more recent films credit for exploring and adapting the more obscure aspects of the Marvel universe. I've long felt that Star Wars desperately needs to distance itself from Skywalkers and Palpatines along with its habit of trying to tie everything and everyone together somehow, which is one of the reasons why I love The Mandalorian so much. I'd like to see this taken even further and explore settings that have practically nothing to do with the main films, akin to The Alsakan Conflicts and the Legacy era from Legends.
I will never understand why you rubes like the Mandalorian but hate the rest of soy wars. It's drinking from exactly the same cup as the rest. Massive disappointment.
The Expanded Universe The Real Star Wars. 1. Heir To The Empire .2. Dark Empire Saga . 3. Jaina Solo. 4. Jacen Solo . 5. Anakin Solo. 5. Boba Fett is Alive. 6. Yuuzhan Vong 7. Mara Jade. 8. Ben Skywalker. 9. Ania Solo. 10. Alien Stormtroopers 11. Ailyn Vel 12. Mirta Gev. 13. Imperial Knights. 14. Shadows Of The Empire. 15. Lumiya. 16. The Jedi Order Rebuild. 17. The Past The First Sith And The First Jedi Dark Horse Comics.
I'm just Old School, but for me; I consider the Bantham books to be my core EU novels after Ep.6 For me Star Wars ends with Visions of the Future where Luke ask Mara to marry him.
That numbering list could go on forever if we started specifying key pieces. And that's a good thing. The list of these amazing ideas and concepts would wrap around Disney's NuCanon like a interstellar blanket. They ain't got shit on Legends...
Palpatine: "hey rey, please kill me so I can possess your body and be immortal" Rey: "No" Kylo: "Hey Rey here's a lightsaber" Rey: *Kills Palpatine* "I WIN!" Palpatine: *waits until the credits role, possesses rey* Palpatine: *Wins*
The EU will always be canon to me. edit: Jesus Christ, I was just stating my opinion, I didn't expect that my comment would blow up like this with so many likes and comments.
I would say my favorite Skywalker offspring is Jaina Solo. I was pissed when Disney ended the Legends/EU continuity as a "Sword of the Jedi" book trilogy was in the process of being written. For those not in the know "The Sword of the Jedi" was a title Jaina received from Luke via The Force during her Knighting ceremony. I would also have liked to have learned more about Jacen Solo's and Tenel Ka's daughter Allana Solo.
the two book series prior to the cancelled sword of the jedi was hot garbage. and the writer who was supposed to write sword of the jedi was awful. she was by far the worst star wars author to have her work published. Can't just blame her either. Whoever the editors were for these books were also terrible. I was pretty relieved at the time when Disney announced a new canon. Much of the stories in legends had been laughably bad. What makes it worse, is that these new movies literally cherrypicked some of the worst crap from the legends canon. It's actually worse.
@@shoopypit4884you think Legacy of the Force is bad? It's one of the most popular series. It's a very well written, tight and nuanced 9-part story. I can totally see why some didn't like Fate of the Jedi, but I personally liked it for the most part. It's very creative and ambitious. I assume you're referring to Christie Golden. If there was an author I can't stand from FotJ, it's Denning. Golden has written over 50 novels. Her Trek novels are very popular among Trek fans, and her Nucanon novels received pretty positive feedback. I would've gladly read a 3 part Jaina series by Golden.
When the movie was over I started to clap enthusiastically, acting as I was completely satisfied with the movie . Well... nobody joined me, even though the cinema was almost full. That must mean something...
@@eliaspeter7689 Rise of Skywalker is made to have a somewhat satisfying ending so by instinct you would want to clap because of how triumphant it is. Of course, lots of people were able to see past it.
@@They_are_Arthur I was NOT satisfied by the ending at all! You misunderstood me...! I did it on purpose just to check if others liked it. NOBODY did. Me neither.
Éliás Péter Was it really that bad? Because after the Last Jedi, I swore I wouldn’t go to a cinema to see a Star Wars film again. At least, not ones made by pretentious goofballs.
Actually, I think Rise of Skywalker was made for fans, but that's the problem. It was too focused on trying to win back fans it pissed off with Last Jedi while also keeping fans of Last Jedi instead of, you know, telling a good story that made sense and wasn't just high budget fan fiction.
@Mr skeleton There's a great Alan Moore quote that say something like "the readers don't know what they like. It's the writers job to give it to them." If only the studios would give creative freedom to those writers who care about telling great stories, rather than worrying about who's going to like it...
@Mr skeleton I think you hit on one of the main problems right there; Finn. Like you, I really liked Force Awakens, and I especially liked Finn and was hopeful to see where they were going to take his character. After Rogue One came out, I thought they might have Finn be like Chirrut (the blind guy), where he can kinda use the force, but not as much as jedi. That would have been a cool character arc and an interesting expansion of the mythos. But he had next to nothing to do in Last Jedi and was WASTED in Rise of Skywalker. If they'd kept focus on Finn AND Rey, I think the story could have felt a bit more balanced, but because it just focuses on Rey more and more as the films go on, not only do you waste a good character, but you turn your other good character into a Mary Sue (Which is NOT what she started out as, but it's what she became by the end of the trilogy)
These days I honestly struggle to even find Disney War fans. I don't consider people who just watch the movies to be "fans". I mean, people who genuinely like the Disney Wars comics, games and books. Outside of Fallen Order, The Mandalorian and Rogue One everything else is just so bad I've yet to find someone who is genuinely invested in it.
@@charlieefreak1362 You've obviously never been to Reddit. There's a cult of sequel trilogy enthusiasts there who behave like the most obnoxious, whiny little fan boys that I've ever seen.
Luke was a little too powerful towards the end of legends canon. they had to think up ways to write him out of several stories because he was just in the way. Luke at the beginning of NJO, IMO, was the perfect old Luke
@@DarthVader-sp8fe no contest dude, seriously. Legends is a far better story, overall. I mean, i know there are some people who criticized the Vong, but for me, they were and still are better villains than the Dumb Order could ever be
@Wilfri Castillo Plus it wasn't all about being powerful he won by being smart too. Thrawn Trilogy had Luke pull a Magyver and escape from storehouse on a planet where he couldn't use the force with nothing but a jagged piece of metal, some wires and a his cybernetic hand. Dark Empire also had him help stop the World Devastators because he had R2-D2 download the codes that would cause them to target each other.
At least with Chewie's death from the old material regardless of how many may have felt about it, he at least went out in a blaze of glory and didn't die an empty, meaningless and emotionless death like many of the main characters in the Sequel movies.
Yes but it was also violent cuz so many beings died. One sacrifice tho stopped the invaders which was Borsk Feylya detonating a bomb in a Coruscant building, killing 25,000 Vong alongside himself
The Star Wars Legends are telling the story about a gigantic galaxy and well thought-out planetary systems.. The Star Wars Sequels are telling us the story about a few tiny natural planets in a lifeless and empty nothing..
Disney: Hey can i copy your homework?! Legends: ok?? Disney: let me just rewrite it, so it's not that not too obvious and make it diverse and meant for non-fans.
Its ironic too, because it's only the big star wars fans. People who really enjoy it, and understand legends for what it is, I've met so many people in comments that dont even touch legends because they dont like how it's different than disneys star wars...
The Expanded Universe is better than anything Disney's version of "Lucasfilm" has ever made, with the exception of The Mandalorian. I'm still not paying for Disney+ though. Disney even went so far as to nullify Kyle Katarn's major contributions with Rogue One, basically trying to say he never existed. When they destroyed 30+ years of Canon, what Star Wars fans knew to be true thanks to George's and Leland's Canon System, we all knew something was rotten with Disney's "Luasfilm" and the Disney Wars trilogy just confirmed it. TFA, TLJ and ROS were like really, REALLY bad fanfics.
+Olivia Williams With all due respect, no there isn't. I gave Disney the benefit of the doubt with TFA, and the nostalgia was the only thing that got me through that movie. Don't even get me started on TLJ. When Kathleen Kennedy flat out LIED to George Lucas's face... I watched that full interview where George handed over Star Wars to her. She handed him a heaping helping of BS about how his characters would live on as he intended. Han Solo: Disney turned him into a deadbeat dad and killed him off. Luke Skywalker: Disney turned him into a broken old man that let ONE mistake ruin his life... and then they killed him off. Yeah, I'm SURE that George wanted two of his three signature characters to be totally disrespected before being killed off. /endsarcasm So no. Nothing Disney Wars has done on the big screen is worth my money. Neither are the new Disney Wars novels or comics. At least the novelists in the Expanded Universe treated George's characters with respect.
@@MDMetal If you haven't read the novels or comics how can you say that they have disrespected the characters? You do realize that the people who are making and storyboarding the comics are completely different from those from the Sequel Trilogy. Darth Vader's comic runs have been terrific. Rise of Kylo Ren has been interesting so far as was Kanan series.
+Shadeius Disney doesn't get my money anymore. Simple as that. TLJ was the last Disney movie I took my family to, and I came damn close to actually demanding my money back for that one. For perspective, I've seen some VERY bad movies in theaters, and I'd never even considered demanding my money back for any of them, until TLJ. I'd rather watch "Starcrash" again than give Disney another penny. I saw that one when I was a little kid. It was cheap, and cheesier than all 3 Gloryhammer albums combined, but it sure was a helluva lot of fun!
It kinda becoming a tradition for the star wars fandom to be continuously in a state that resembles the Battle of Coruscant in Ep3, but death threats? That's out of line. Those fans took 'fan' to the extreme and entered 'fanatic' territory. Not cool.
I really hope that one day Disney will let writers go back to writing on the old legends timeline again.... hell even label it legends!! I mean the still sell the legends material so I don't see what the problem is!!
Hmm star wars legends Episode VII, Dark Force Rising ...text crawl; It has been five years since the emperor's death at the battle of Endor. Senator Leia Organa Solo is pregnant with twins....
That would be awesome too, but id be happy just to have them continue writing the books and marking them as legends and have it as a seperate timeline....
I got nothing against the EU. The only book I read in its entirety was Shadows of the Empire over twenty years ago, but I was glad Disney went a different direction. For better and worse it was the right decision I think. But what I would like to see (and would even encourage Disney to do if I had any pull) would be to adapt the EU stories into a Star Wars Legends animated series on Disney+. Marvel has the MCU which is one canon, and all the animated shit that is a different canon. Why not do the same with Star Wars? Clearly there’s a market for it.
I feel like the Disney defenders who use the “Legends was chaotic and full of plot holes” excuse never actually read any legends, like yeah there is some plot holes but they act like everything has a plot hole which is wrong
That's why I refuse to accept Disney's canon. They take away the realistic canon plus decanonize the EU canon. I'll reverse their decisions on them with the same disrespect that Disney dishes out to the hardcore Star Wars fans.
When Force awakens first came out, i kinda felt hopeful for the simple fact that it done away with to convoluted canon that was the expanded universe. It turned out to be just as messy, but with less lore to draw from.....alas.....
The reason why for me The Dark Empire works is because it happened 6 yrs after the Battle Of Endor so Luke, Leia and Han are all still alive and this fight with Palpatine was their fight as oppose to Palpatine in ROS sitting up over +40 yrs with a thumb up his arse as that perpetual time passes the torch is handed down to the next uninteresting failed next generation characters like Rey, Finn n Poe which can be blamed on bad writing and still fighting the same bloody threat since the Clone Wars is where I have a problem as well as the boring anti climatic finish, yeah everything is handed to Rey on a plate. When you look at Legends they had a tough hard battle with Palpatine you had Luke almost turn to the Dark Side with the help of Leia to for him to see that he would have failed going down this path something Anakin Skywalker failed at and Luke maimed and defeats the most powerful version of Palpatine only for him to be stubborn using clones bodies to keep surviving until Han destroys all his clone bodies since its Han’s youngest child’s body he is trying to possess and ultimately veteran Jedi Brant sacrifices himself to entrap Palpatine’s spirit ending Palpatine once and for all and saving Anakin Solo that is a whole lot more climatic than freakin Rey with 2 lightsabers blocking his force lighting and destroying him ohhhhh so lazily. The Dark Empire arc wins over ROS by a significant margin everything about it is superior and more effective, what lies ahead after ROS? Nothing cool or interesting like the Yuuzhan Vong, Darth Krayt, or Abeloth thats for sure.
Another thing about Dark Empire that is better than ROS: Brand, who holds Palpatine's spirit protecting Anakin Solo, was only there because of Darth Vader's actions. If Vader hadn't stranded him on a world that could heal him and where he would one day meet Leia and Han he never would've saved Anakin, vader's grandson and namesake. It all leads back to Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader! Th Chosen one, the Hero, the Villain; the main character that drove the story of Star Wars long after he died. In the whole sequel cacophony it comes down to Palpatine growing a dud clone, letting the clone live and have a super-duper perfect baby, killing his unaborted dud, and the freaking marey sue showing up later, overpowered as hell and evaporating him with two lightsaber. Vader is reduced to a mentioned side character at best, it really did just ruin what is the story of Anakin Skywalker. Also fuck gotcha moments they are lazy, and they weren't even trying in ROS.
I do remember Empatojayos Brand’s story about getting maimed badly the way he is by Darth Vader but I assumed Vader thought he killed Brand and went about it like that he more than likely was unaware that Brand landed on a planet where he could be healed since he was to purge and kill all Jedi at the time, so I figured initially Leia and Han were just lucky to meet Brand by chance but that is very interesting how Vader’s action impacted the fate of his grandchild of the same first name. Brand is VERY underrated with unique story and design very original easily one of my top 5 favorite Jedi in SWs and to me a real hero of the Dark Empire Arc with Luke since he is the one at the end whom nobly sacrifices himself granted he was mortally wounded by Palpatine’s Force Lightning as like Vader FL was very damaging and deadly to his cybernetics. Anyways just look at the difference you had 2 powerful Jedi Masters and one whom in the end sacrifices himself along with the spirits of other deceased Jedi to my understanding to seal Palpatine in the Nexus of the Force forever plus EU Palpatine during Dark Empire was absurdly OP with crazy mad feats. Then like you said a Mary Sue whom is seen to be an amateur and in the course of 3 movies is able to beat Palpatine with 2 lightsabers when you seen in Canon Jedi Masters like Yoda whom trained all his life and Mace Windu couldn’t stop him is where I have one of many problems as well as all the Legacy characters being dead too. When you look at 40 ABY in Canon their still fighting Palpatine all this time and the same Empire with a different brand name, +40 ABY in EU you had Luke Rebuild the New Jedi Order after brutal confrontation with Exar Kun’s spirit sealed at Yavin 4 for over 3 millennia to strike terror again, Yuuzhan Vong Wars where The New Republic and remains of the Empire team up to face this bigger threat, the brief Swarm War, Corruption of The New Republic led by Natasi Daala that led to GM Luke being banished, the forecoming Abeloth whom both Luke and Ben faced as father and son and even teaming up with The Lost Tribe of the Sith. Oh and Kylo Ren is a rip-off of Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus. It’s obvious which timeline has the better story and more depth to enjoy as well as consistency.
@@corpsedesecrator2612 Exactly! The original EU was very well done, with interesting stories, new characters, ideas, and the original characters it all started with grow and face incredible challenges. I must say that it was not perfect, there was bloat to some of the time period of stories told, like the Clone Wars and Vong story periods. Respectively the wars take 3 and 4 years to begin and conclude, and with all that goes on my head would spin trying to process what time had passed in-universe given all that occurs. Those two periods are crucial because we see what shaped the galaxy and what challenges it faced after that era. One of the best scenes in it is, I think, is where Luke and his son Ben journey Beyond Shadows drawn by Abeloh. Luke becomes so entrenched in their quest that he begins losing sight and his mind like all the others Abeloth ensnares. Ben comes after his father in this other realm and with help from Mara Jade, his mother who Darth Caedus murdered, Luke remembers his son and turns around choosing not to make the same mistake as his father. As they turn to leave their guides try to convince them, and block the way out, Luke force pushes him way ahead grabs his son's hand and they begin trudging out of that nightmare. Ben and Luke have a nice homage scene to ROTJ and we see Luke be badass not taking shit from a cultist and saving his life. And Vader was the catalyst for it all, Palpatine was the one in control but Vader at his side was an absolute necessity. for his plans to work. When Vader says "I must obey my Master", and given some knowledge of force powers, in Rotj I think Vader was really enslaved by Palpatine as a kind power source given his place in the force. I think what we see in Dark Empire is an ultra vital Palpatine at his most twistedly ingenious Sith sorcerer, bolstered by a lifetime of Skywalkers force essence. That's my theory anyway. And yes the Kylo Ren character became such a disappointment . .
@Victory Games@ Basically, in stark contrast to The Ruse Of Soywalker, Dark Empire means that the Chosen One got Sidious *_twice_* . @Corpse Desecrator@ Long live Brand's legacy.
@ Same (accept for being black). I loved the story arc with Kyle Katarn being a former Storm Trooper and while I was sad he (and many others) were not in the stories, I thought Finn would at least channel that. He was setting up to be my favorite character but turned into the bumbling fool. He is basically the Shaggy/Scooby of Star Wars.
What hurts for me is that character like finn and rose had a lot of potential. I mean, i'm from south east asia like Rose's actress, I would be glad to see an asian character IF it was written well. I just don't care for those who put a minority character for the sake of DIVERSITY. It is insulting and condescending. That is just something that those disney dumbasses don't get
For all their professed concern for minority representation in film and social justice issues, Disney not only wasted the potential for the character of Finn but also disrespected him by reducing his role in the story down to that of an ancillary buffoon. Watching him get the Stepin' Fetchet treatment in those opening scenes of Episode VIII caused even me as a white guy to cringe.
i will never understand this "Copyright holder decides whats canon" thing you're just setting yourself up for dissapointment with a mindset like that nowadays
You know what, I am just going to think of the Disney canon trilogy as a bad dream. One that should be lost to history. Ok scratch that it should be remember as a lesson of what NOT to do. It should be seen as a bad fan-fiction. Or if possible, a study of how this fuck up came to be.
This new star wars trilogy is nothing more but a fan fiction for me... I can only hope the other parallel universe is having a blast with a better Alternate New star wars trilogy not own by Disney and certainly not Directed by JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson.
The Star Wars darkhorse comics and novels literally got me through years of depression in highschool over ten years ago, Being an adult and seeing what has become of the Disney sequel trilogy...yikes. Really hoping 'The mandalorian' doesn't touch base with the First Order in season 2... The remnant Empire make such better adversaries.
Couldn't agree more about the Mandalorian. This new twisted canon doesn't deserve such a great series. They're too good for it. And the rumours about Lucas's return and Kennedy's resignation give us hope for that.
In the old Thrawn trilogy, Palpatine's presence was clearly there although he wasn't going to get back to life, everything that he left behind was a threat to the New Republic. The Empire had access to cloning tech again and to CLOAKING shields tech too ! And most of all Palpatine's malice and cruelty was embedded in the Last Command he gave to Mara Jade: "You will kill Luke Skywalker!" Not to mention that the Empire now had a competent commander with Thrawn that didn't need uber superweapons to win. And a crazy dark Jedi addicted to manipulating people for his own pleasure and didn't even care for political power. Plus a mostly badass and sassy female character: Mara Jade.
@@blackshogun272 Kotor 2 is garbage and the plot is especially an abortion. Traya is a nonsense character that doesn't belong in star wars. THAT SAID: I'll still take Black Isle trash over disney soy wars.
In my opinion Rise of Skywalker felt like it could have been split into two or three different movies by itself. I got way to much plot whiplash from that movie, there was just too much going gnat once. Breaking it up would have made for much better story flow. On a completely unrelated note: Mara/Luke will forever be the best ship in the Star Wars saga. Hands down. Also, what's with Landowner's just kicking around a desert world for two decades, like what even? He's an entrepreneur a businessman. Sure I can see him working with Luke during his search for the Sith Wayfinder, but by the Force why didn't he leave with Luke when they didn't find any leads on Ochi? Edit: While I personally disagree with most of the creative decisions that went into the Sequel Trilogy, they did have some interesting concepts to play with. Especially in the Last Jedi. Now if only they hadn't butchered the execution so badly.
The sequel trilogy should have really been an asmanymoviesastheycouldgiveusogy. Why stop with just a trilogy? What does that accomplish? George made six episodes, at a minimum they should have matched that.
I do not acknowledge the Disney Empire parody movies as cannon either. There is no Sequel Trilogy (ST), only actual Star Wars and the Disney Trilogy (DT).
In Viscount, the "s" is silent. It's named after a French Medieval noble responsible for the defense of the boarder regions and is able to act autonomously in that regard, so it's a pretty cool name for that kind of ship.
Showing the Yuuzhan Vong invasion would have convinced audiences that Palpatine and Thrawn were right, and go against whatever "woke" narratives the sequel filmmakers have in mind.
@@emberfist8347 If you're talking about that creating the Death Star wouldn't be as effective as a big army of Imperial Destroyers, sure, it isn't as effective from a military point of view. But I heard that the Death Star wasn't intended to be an effective way of subjugating the Rebellion, but instead a way of demoralizing them, as well as encouraging their own troops. A float of Imperial Destroyers wouldn't be as menacing as a giant space station able to blow up an entire planet into dust.
@@EnrocaLaRoca Han''s ran was more about that Superweapons wouldn't work against the Vong because the every superweapon the Empire built had some sort of design flaw.
Blake Tyson but can you imagine the Empire pulling the improved Death Star on the Vong? Defended by the Imperial Fleet, led by Thrawn? A couple hours with the Death Star intact would be more than enough to take out like half the Vong worldships instantly, kinda like Centerpoint Station, except more reliable and easier to aim. And we don’t need to say too much about Thrawn. The fleet of the Empire of the Hand, the might of the Imperial Navy, the Chiss Ascendancy, Thrawn would’ve wiped the floor with the Vong, and you know if he had a Death Star in the mix he’d pull all sorts of tricky Chiss tactics.
Honestly, I'm kinda okay with Legends being "non-canon", or rather, its own canon. All canon is is arbitrarily deciding some fictional stories are more real than others. Legends was already more than 300 books as is. I'm okay with that universe getting to exist and untampered with by Disney.
In legends Luke and his family lived incredible lives and went on amazing and compelling adventures that filled several novels. Meanwhile in cannon after Endor Luke pretty much just cut up a couple dark troopers, started a Jedi school, lost the Jedi school, then gave up on everything to fuck off to a rock for the rest of his life and Han and Leia had one whiney, obnoxious son who ran away from home during an emo phase and then they separated. So much fun
Back when we first heard of the make of a sequel I was excited! But after hearing them saying some changes and thought “Alright, I shall tolerate it and see how it goes.” Then after seeing Force awakens... I knew I felt something bad was gonna happen and after TLJ.... I was right. Thank you Disney, JJ, and especially you KENNEDY for all you’ve done to make use hate this version!
The Expanded Universe (Legends) = A beautiful classic car that had some bumps and scrapes, but otherwise was meticulously well maintained over the years The Disney Trash = A once beautiful classic car they found sitting in a barn. They let the interior become infested with rats, then set it on fire to fix the problem and then just left it like that. They sold the entire engine and drive train on Craigslist for reasons, but spent millions giving the exterior the most epic makeover ever.
When legends revives Palpatine it takes it's time with two whole books
When Disney revives Palpatine they gloss over it with a short sentence and a fortnite crossover.
And when we called them out, they just made him a clone without any good explanation. lol
Why reviving palpatine at the first place ? Why not creat a new villain ? I think for me the only canon is episode 1-6
@@buki3009 legends had a plethora of new villains, whereas Disney consistently fails and falls back on re-using the same characters and cherry picks from Legends.
Honestly, using episodes 1-6 alone is a really good substitute. It's a nice story with a solid ending.
Although I personally use The Clone Wars and Rebublic Commando for extra prequel content, and then the Expanding Universe for everything after 6.
@@cybersilver5816 oh yeah i forgot the clone war it was pretty solide, i'll try to read legend , it has the potential to be good the only thing i won't like it surely palpatine coming back because even if it is well established at the end anakin died for nothing .
@@buki3009 Oh, I see the confusion!
Legends isn't a book, it's the name for all Star Wars media (books, games, comics, etc) that came out in between episode 6 and when Disney bought Star Wars from George Lucas. It's an entire universe of original content approved by Lucas Films to some extent.
I highly recommend you read the beginning of this Wookieepedia article to get a better understanding of what Legends (aka Expanding Universe or EU for short) is about and why it exist
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends
Also, even though Palpatine coming back does undermine Anikan/Vader's sacrifice, it's still (spoiler) Luke who defeats him in the end.
And they said no source to go off of.
While cherry picking from the EU XD
The interview with George and Kennedy proved her a liar since George offered to help and had story treatments/outlines for 7, 8 & 9. He also told her that there were a lot of great stories in the Expanded Universe novels that they could draw from. Then she promised him that his characters would live on as he intended.
Her first order of business: Turn Han Solo into a deadbeat dad and kill him off.
Her second order of business: Turn Luke Skywalker into an abject failure and kill him off.
Her last order of business: Bring back Palpatine in the most unbelievable way imaginable, with ZERO explanation, thereby negating Anakin's redemption and sacrifice at the end of RotJ. They made MaRey Sue a PALPATINE, killed off the last of the Skywalker bloodline (Kylo Ren) and had Rey hijack the Skywalker name.
Instead, they could've made the Thrawn Trilogy and made every OG fan and all non-SJW fans happy. Those movies would've made billions more than this Disney crap.
Total bullshit
They didn't have any source material that conformed with the social justice agenda they were trying to push
LIES!!! Ikr
I saw a comment saying Luke had a better life in legends. Yeah, heck Luke *HAD* a life in legends. Unlike the sequels
yes, it's just below this
He started his own academy and actually contributed something as opposed to sitting on an island feeling sorry for himself.
You fool's they're always must be balance there's two ways for balance Sith and Jedi still exists and fight forever or how Rey did in Episode 9 all Jedi and Sith are dead and Rey becomes a grey Jedi.
vernus red What?
I agree the whole Disney trilogy was just one bad dream Luke had and his wife comforted him.
The EU could get silly, but it was a fun kind of silly. I miss the Maw Installation and its high-tech innovations.
Only thing i found unbelievable about it is where they got their food from (hydroponics is my guess, or horizontal farming or hell, just Food Paste Nr.17 now with 2000 kalories per gramm!) and how they did not mutiny after 10+ years without contact to anyone.
Also sad that Daala the "Tactical genius" was twarted at nearly every step of her plans, i mean come on give that women at least one or two outsmarted enemies to show shes a real thread!
@@SturmgeschuetzIV Well, she did manage to create the Imperial Remnant all in all. But yeah, I agree. I love that trilogy all in all.
I miss Exar Kun, he's one of the more underrated Star Wars villains in my opinion.
@@johnnygyro2295 The Luke / Exar Kun situation on Yavin 4, in Jedi Academy series, was an awesome story.
Charles Urban At least it didn’t get Force Time travel silly.
"We had no source material" - Kathleen Kennedy
she really said that?
@@S2KEVIN boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/21/kathleen-kennedy-on-difficulty-of-making-star-wars-sequel-films-theres-no-source-material-we-dont-have-comic-books/
@@mizi3180 bruh
@@S2KEVIN Ye that one surprised me too, but I also laughed like J Jonah Jameson, considering I still have 3 comics from the late 90s I got in Germany one about Boba Fett, one about 2 bounty hunters stealing Jabba's treasure ship, and the last about Aurra Sing, still being a fallen force user.
Disney said they wanted to try and come up with everything on their own. Trying to ignore the legends, and start fresh.
But they could've at least taken some inspiration from it. They don't have to copy/paste the whole thing, but take bits and pieces to make a good story.
Palpatine: The EU is a path to many stories some would consider non cannon.
Anakin: Is it possible to learn this power?
Palpatine: Not from a mouse.
Ha
Should of been George Lucas instead of Palpatine.
Stop being like Fortnite players Mickey Mouse don't exist he is a animated character. Plus I am Half-life fan wich makes me smarter than you, because we fans of Half-Life at least respect what we have.
@@vernusred4757 What?
@@vernusred4757 First of all, Mickey Mouse is basically the mascot and total representation of disney...it means disney basically, how do you not know this? And, how does liking half-life make you smarter than the "rest" of us?
Luke had a better life in legends
he sure did. Jeez TLJ screwed him up. Funny thing with legends Disney already had their strong female character ala lukes wife. That would've been more fun then mary su ray.
Indeed, I believe Mark Hamil said "I went from being married to a gorgeous redhead to having nothing" = Mara Jade, you know, red hair, black leather (ish)... attitude.
@@saloz9483 Agreed, there were lots of strong female characters that was believable and not Mary Sue-ish.
@@Fenris77 and Mara was in a relationship with Lando before Luke won her over
@@JustSumGuy01 Yup they were partners in another of Lando's many schemes.
The complaints that there were no female characters that was any good in Star Wars is proven false time and again.
The Expanded Universe respected the movies that came before it and George Lucas's vision .It all came from a loving place , a care for the Star Wars universe .
The Disney Canon comes from a jaded , spiteful feeling , spitting on all material that came before while simultaneously depending on it completely and copying it to create anything , be it movies or expanded content .All in a purely monetary pursuit and a lack of care for the property .
Really Disney just damaged the legacy that it had already left
Dude , L3 was like the biggest Star Wars waifu ever , do not diss her .
Also , she was protesting actual slavery .
@buffalo wt L3 was the worst addition to Star Wars Disney made. She had no personality outside of droid rights, and that point went nowhere.
@@oolooo Lol yeah and Obi wan's direct speech in Attack of the Clones...'if droids could think then none of us would be here' indicates why ending Droid slavery would be an exceptionally bad move for organic life in the Galaxy
The sequels are just there to push a shitty agenda and steal money from children
"FeMaLeS aRe StRoNg, MeN sUcKs!"
The geopolitics of the EU differs from sequels in that the former actually has geopolitics and the latter does not.
And here I thought you weren't brave enough for politics.
@@ckai6409 General Kenobi
With the New Republic destroyed, the Sith gone, only one Jedi that is barely what you would consider “fully-trained”, and no promise of a united government in sight, the galaxy will be in complete chaos for the first time in over a thousand generations. Nice going, Abrams and Johnson.
@@emberfist8347 I guess it's like Grevious mad the blaster, he may not like it, but he understands how to do it.
hello there!
Virgin Canon vs Chad Legends
Yes
I pick Chad legends.
Virgin Disney Fanfic vs Chad Legends Canon
jim jack, that’s the most cringe comment I’ve read in my life there dude.
@@lewis821 yeah but still, Chad legends for the win.
Legends is flawed. But what masterpiece isn’t?
Disney isn’t flawed, it’s rotten at the core.
To answer your question: LOTR and Godfather
@@littlen8279 god father had sequels.
@@littlen8279 LOTR and Godfather definitely had flaws. Especially Godfather III.
@@joshg.5330 LOTR the BOOK had no flaws (except maybe being slightly overwritten, Tolkien had a tendency to drag on in his writing). The movies. Sure, there are flaws. But the sheer awesomeness totally overwhelms them.
I've never read the book version of The Godfather, so I don't know how perfect it is. The movie, on the other hand, is absolute perfection. As is the first sequel (it might even be better than the original). The less said about Part 3 the better though.
@@Thundarr100 why didn't they just fly to mordor on the eagles?
It’s not “legends” - it’s the Expanded Universe. I don’t care what Disney says, this is the real continuation of the story and not whatever shit Disney threw together and called “Star Wars.”
Damn Straight!
you are so right man
@@bussymaster13 I wholeheartedly approve of this course of action.
None is real
@@bussymaster13 The sequels were awesome, MUCH better than what disney has made. Everyone can admit the sequels also had the best soundtrack.
What's funny to me is when the EU was canned, Disney believers shat on those who were upset, saying how the EU was full of superweapons and resurrected Palpatine, and Disney was smart to get away from that...
What did Disney give us instead? Superweapons and resurrected Palpatines. Oh, and no new Jedi Order to fight them off.
Who needs jedi order when you have a Mary Sue on your side?
"Shit"
The sequel and prequel trilogies would’ve ended up being so much better if Disney had decided against canning Legends. Sequel trilogy would’ve been so much better, prequel trilogy would’ve been a bit better.
@@decimation9780 You do know that the EU was canned after the prequels right?
A random HECU grunt. No it wasn’t? Legends content was still going strong after the prequels, Jacen Solo turning to the Darkside storyline was after the prequels, and even had books coming out during the Clone Wars 2008 cartoon.
Legends Luke: Bad ass jedi master that has a fully functioning jedi academy.
Disney Luke: disgruntled senile old man incapable of training his nephew padawan.
You are right.
you are soo wrong. I hate sequels, but at least I can pay attention to context
Disney destroyed Luke! My hero, our hero!
@@adityabhalekar3506what context
Disney fans have no place to stand when they clame the EU was "too messy and inconsistent" while Rise of Skywalker exists.
Rise of Skywalker was 1 movie. Lucas arts had almost 40 years worth of material to sort out.
@@infamousempire8302 *_"40 years."_*
The EU started in 91 with Heir to the Empire.
I am counting the comics and tabletop game from the 70s/80s. If it came before 2014 and wasn’t a movie or the clone wars, then it’s legends. Also, that’s still plenty of time to create tons of continuity lockout. Certain franchises wrote themselves into a continuity corner in half that amount of time.
@@infamousempire8302 at least Legends had the tier system where you could just de-canonize something or not take it seriously because it's in the garbage bin tier. With Disney, everything is Canon.
That was the case. But an equally often occurrence was pulling on that older material in the newer ones (I.e. Timothy zahn using ships that originated in the 80s tabletop game). Additionally, Disney’s canon isn’t wildly contradictory and fits together relatively well from a broad viewpoint (legends does to, but Disney doesn’t have as much material as legends does). Case in point, Maul’s arc in clone wars ties in to the end of Solo, and the Battlefront game being directly tied to/based on the Post-Endor Novel series.
Fan fact: George Lucas worked on the story of the first Force Unleashed game and he had declared it an official part of the Star Wars mythos. The unofficial 4th prequel and the link between the two trilogies.
And Disney got rid of it
his mistake
Still has inconsistencies, though...
@@chrissonofpear1384 What inconsistencies? It fit pretty well.
George Lucas also approved the idea of Darth Sidious returning in Dark Empire.
Starkiller Base was already being constructed during Early Empire, you see that in Fallen Order
Which makes it even more dumb somehow lol
@Felix B Because it doesn't make sense for the Empire to divert attention and resources away from Starkiller Base to build the less capable Death Stars instead.
@@sentrysapper45 and then make Star destroyers do the same thing as starkiller base
Starkiller Base eats a star every time it fires a shot. When the Empire controls all of explored space and owns all those stars, Death Stars are far more cost-efficient in terms of Imperial resources wasted.
pitui1987 The Empire doesn’t control all the Stars and there is billions of stars in the Galaxy so it is irrelevant
Diana Vespid You don’t see the superiority of achieving the same goal (destruction of whichever planet you want) at far lower cost (not losing the resources of a star and any life on planets in that star’s system)?
Death Star II is also infinitely more useful for fleet actions, once completed. It can methodically one-shot ships of any size over and over again, forcing the enemy fleet to retreat or surrender.
SKB can’t even fire without melting any of your own ships that are anywhere in the vicinity of its beams. It also can’t fire multiple salvoes unless it jumps to a different system, drains that star, and jumps back to the battle.
Basically, legends evolves the story, canon makes the OT pointless as everything goes back to episode IV status.
Disney just wants to reset the StarWars originals in their own version with a new hero & their woke agendas... All the geopolitics of the star systems & struggles of the previous heros can be made non-existent with just a sentence in the starting screen roll... "Feel the power of the Disneyside"
Remember the battle of Jabiim? I love how they continued the story in Star Wars: Empire.
The only thing that i can say good about the sequels is the cgi and the amount of potential it have but not used
It's a trope called Happy Ending Override.
IMO, it's the #1 turnoff for a sequel. And sadly, it's become common over the last decade or so.
My disappointment with the sequel trilogy has actually gotten me interested in the expanded universe. It seems to have had more care put into it.
Read Darth Plagueis. Not just a good star wars book but a great book period. The language is exceptional like JRR Tolkien
@@edwardelric603 Don't say Tolkien now.....that's raising expectations way high. I have that book waiting on my shelf. As soon as Im done Last Command.
That’s because a lot of the books, games, etc. were outsourced to companies who were trying hard to stay reverent to the source material. In the case of Disney, they now own Star Wars, so they have the mentality that they can do what they want with it.
Legends: Thrawn is a complex villain who very nearly succeeded in defeating the Rebels, Han & Leia had a healthy marriage and had three kids, two becoming pivotal players, Luke was HAPPY, married and had a son, and Boba Fett was an indisputable badass who helped rebuild the Mandalorian race and even trained Han Solo's daughter!
Disney: Thrawn gets defeated by a kid and sent into limbo, Han and Leia's marriage breaks apart and both have distasteful deaths, their only son is incoherently written as a character, Luke never married and lived a lonesome miserable life and even tried to kill his nephew for sensing a little conflict in him where he was convinced his father could be redeemed with the littlest light, and Boba Fett lost his armor and is moping around on Tatooine apparently incapable of reclaiming said armor and forgetting he's got Slave 1 parked somewhere.
Disney is a terrible company with terrible QA
@@AnEruditeWolfAlways Has Been.
Hey now, you can't call it Slave 1 anymore! That's OFFENSIVE!
The ideas presented in the Disney sequel trilogy are so simple and blatant. They're like the first drafts of fanfic ideas first time fans would come up with for the movies.
Just trying so hard to force the story back into a good vs evil, david vs goliath dynamic despite the fact it makes no sense.
they are cool ideas but was miserably mishandled
Yeah. Part 8 was the only one that tried to be original instead of just copying the original trilogy, but they basically ignored everything in that movie by the next movie
Yeah very dumbed down good v bad stuff hell some fanfics are better written than the sequels
I just hope they made the legends a live action movie
I've heard some people talking about how they want Disney to bring Mara Jade into the Disney Canon, but at this point I personally don't want Disney to ruin Mara Jade like they did with Luke and Leia.
Lmao and who they gonna hook up her with ? If they do that shit believe me they gonna create even more rift between the fans ... we're already in civil war with one another and that just adding fuel to the fire
They didn't ruin Luke. Lucas would have done the death the same way to do the Whills horseshit
Aye. Six years ago I would have given so much to have seen Mara Jade on screen. Now, though, I'm with you... please don't ruin any more of my beloved characters. It's so sad the difference a few years can make.
@@AzureKnight2 Yeah, sometimes I wish Lucas didn't give Star Wars to Disney, continued to just work on Clone Wars with Dave Filloni, expanding Prequels content. Sequels are just... yeah, well, you know.
Considering they didn't ruin either Luke or Leia I doubt they would ruin Mara Jade either. Particularly Luke was much better and more relatable a character in the Sequel Trilogy than the Old EU Luke ever was.
Sequel Trilogy Luke was human and fallible, rather than the nearly invincible God mode Gary Sue Luke was in the Old EU. The Old EU Luke they had to either have out of the story, show up but do nothing, or get greatly weakened 99 times out of 100 just because he'd kill the plot if he both was there and was at 100%. Chances are they would've made Leia pretty damned awesome too had Carrie Fisher not died.
Legends stomps it just as a K-wing stomps a StarFortress SF-17
To me, Disney Star Wars is as worthless as the Q-wing!
Only REAL Star Wars fans would get that joke!
@@nicktechnubyte1184 I do. Robot Chicken.
K-Wing!!!
@@nicktechnubyte1184 😂😂I literally just laughed out loud😂😂
Nah
Luke was true to himself in legends.
Unlike the new cannon, where he's jake skywalker....
Canon is the timeline where Luuke won the clone duel, and no one can change my mind.
Let me sum it up
Disney: The shitty rehash of the original story.
EU: The compatent continuation of the original story.
Did you play Transformers Fall of Cybertron? Shockwave is badass!
@@funkyreapercat5280 I played that game to death. And I totally agree, he's actually my favorite transformer in all his versions.
Elijah Najera even THICCwave from Bumblebee ?
@TheGr8Banana It's a weird fanfiction written by people who didn't like Star Wars to begin with.
You know, if Lucasfilm had simply adapted the EU with slight changes here and there they would have had a massive cash cow on their hands. Everyone loved the EU, and while some people had disagreements, most loved the way the story followed Luke, Han, Leia, Jacen, etc. They didn't even have to write a story, just write an adaptation. Such a shame they decided to go a different direction.
All they needed to damn do was make theatrical remakes of major EU story arcs and give us a animated movies and series like how DC comics (fantastically) create for stories that aren't world ending important. Plus the EU could have just jumped to the future where the Legacy Era is and started doing new and original works since nothing from the past could really interfere with stories that far in the future. That's not saying to just forget past lore and make up new stuff that makes no sense but to make things that aren't just slightly better (or worse) rehashing of previous stories...
Those greedy ignorant fools 🤦🏾♂️
They could have easily even used Lars Mikkelsen for Thrawn in live action as well.
Not everybody loved all the EU. Of course, the specific things they like the least were the specific things Disney robbed from it. The least controversial aspects of the EU (the slow breakdown of the Empire, its civil wars, the realistic and successful rise and perseverence of a New Repubic and New Jedi Order (as in, not "that happened but here's some handwavy explanation for how that was instantly undone as if it had never happened in the first place,") in the face of a series of new and varied challenges, changing balances of power and ideologies, realistic interpersonal conflicts) were abandoned. But clone Palpatine was retained. Also Sith Solo and somebody named Ben.
But I say "robbed" because instead of taking specific EU ideas and incorporating them in ways that make less- or non-canon things (more) canon, with respect to their originators, Disney pilfers concepts from the Legends EU then dumbs them down in unnecessary ways so they merely resemble their original inspirations enough to let us know they're not original but are officially distinct enough for Disney to treat them as their own creations and not intellectually intimidating to theme park visitors. Things like Han & Leia have a kid who turns to the dark side, but they give him the name of Luke's EU kid (despite the fact it was, in fact, Luke who knew Obi-Wan on a close, personal level and called him Ben while Leia only vaguely knew of him until the last five minutes of his life, under his full name, and Han spent a full couple of days with this weird old wizard), and he turns to the dark side in a stupid way instead of an interesting way. Things like Palpatine is reborn, but in a stupider way. Things like Korriban exists, but is given a dumber name by switching the first letter to M and adding a D at the end so it has "Mor" in the name (get it??? Like death!!!) and "band" (get it??? like...bands...plus D is like a hard sound, like rock and there are a lot of rocks). Almost as a territory marker like they are really excited to correct fans of KotOR who refer to Korriban.
Nothing from Star Wars can come in without them branding it (as in branding iron) as their property. "How do we brand Korriban, boss? We don't want people watching the show and forming an illegal headcanon that includes KotOR, the Sith species, Marka Ragnos, the Great Hyperspace War and all that..." "KotOR? What's KotOR? You're always going on about these things Johnson." "Knights of the Old Republic, boss." "Republic? What's that? You mean Empire?" "No, the thing from those other movies we own but pretend don't exist." "Ah, so you mean like the Jedis and the clones?" "Yes, but a video game set before that time. Thousands of years before." "There was a before? Before is bad; the prequels were bad enough. You mean like prequels to prequels? Like with even more talking and politics? More midichlorians? More screen time without the Millenium Falcon and shooting stormtroopers? Good God, Johnson. Never mind though. I won't even ask about the other hyperspace gobbledygook and Marco Ragu (I'm assuming our pasta sauce tie-in). What was the question?" "Korriban: how should we st---incorporate parts of the idea we think are cool looking?" "Depends. Did we create that KoTOR thing?" "No, Bioware, the same people we have running our online game. You know, the one like Fortnite and Runescape in space. They made it." "Them? They're not us! Take the thing but make sure to change some letters to make it sound cooler and pretend like we invented the idea. I hate Bioware. When we told them to reskin that Fortnite server so the Republic was the Resistance and the Sith Empire was the First Order and all the good Jedi were Rey and to have people attempting to play as Sith were given temp bans for hate speech, and to add Millenium Falcon DLC and replace the weird nerd planets with Porg Island they wouldn't do it."
Agree. Skip the Vong war stuff and adapt the Legacy arc would be my recommendation. Peaceful galaxy still recovering from war threatened by political issues, Jacen Solo gets drawn into the political intrigue and is corrupted by a dark sider, eventually becoming Darth Caedus, forcing Luke to fight him, although Jacen’s torture of Luke’s son Ben causes Luke to realise he cannot kill Jacen. Jaina Solo visits the Mandalorians to request their assistance, and eventually battles Jacen, fighting him to a standstill, and Jacen redeems himself for a moment by saving his hidden wife and child, but is killed anyway by Jaina.
Allana Solo is taken in by the Jedi undercover, Luke could resign from being Grand Master and go on a pilgrimage with his son Ben, and thus ends the sequels.
There were quite a few cringe things about the EU tbh. All the new Canon had to do was avoid those pitfalls and add in some of the best characters while having the perfect blueprints to do it. But, you know, the new Lucasfilms just needed to have their Rebels vs Empire story again, and that's where all the issues stemmed from. Can't have a New Jedi Order or even a successful New Republic if you want a Rebels vs Empire thing again.
It really is amazing how the old Lucas Arts managed to keep thousands of books, comics, and games consistent in one big beautiful continuity, and Disney can't even make 3 films without fucking it up.
They can barely count to three, 😆
Agreed they did remarkably well connecting the EU and making the galaxy feel like a truly interconnected vast expansive nuanced and living place. Disney meanwhile has dumbed down the galaxy and made it such a tiny narrow boring dull place
The EU even has better games: Jedi Knight series, Thrawn’s Revenge, KOTOR, Republic Commando, etc.
Ah, KOTOR, so nostalgic. Played it during my junior high years, love it all the way
And don't forget Mara Jade Skywalker
Dont forget swtor
Empire at War....
you didnt tho
The EU is FAR superior in to the Disney Trilogy, it isn’t even close
It's actually worse
Ryan C damn The Disney trilogy is made by idiots who don’t know thing one about Star Wars, social skills, or testosterone, for idiotic losers who also don’t know thing one about Star Wars, social skills, or testosterone so that they can be cool by nature of resentment.
@@ryancols Elaborate
Ryan C I can tell you dont know jack shit about Star Wars. let me guess, you trend ride the MCU and listen to lil Nas X too huh
I just pretend Disney’s trilogy doesn’t exist.
I think it's insane that in Legends, the authors could only kill Chewie. But, in the Disney trilogy, the writers kill everyone but Chewie.
I can't help but wonder if that was deliberate?
The EU killing off Chewie is one of, if not the biggest reasons Disney reset the canon.
Disney's perception of Star Wars as a whole is based on what an 8-year-old takes away from watching the original trilogy for the first time in his life. No subtlety, no greater context, no rhyme or reason, certainly no making sense or any restraint from what is perceived the most "cool" aspects of the story; in other words: shallow and superficial.
The new trilogy is basically like an army exclusively consisting of bad-ass fighter jets and their pilots, but completely devoid of supply transport vehicles and their drivers, supply shipments and cooks, paperwork and office workers. Without any supporting infra structure - and consequently, incapable of sustaining itself.
Concerning Disney's complete and utter lack of perpective and believable power/size ratios, I'll say it again: Starkiller Base, Rey's out-of-the-box abilities and the very _existence_ of the "First Order" are fan fiction abominations on the level of an 8-year-old's imagination. They are so obscenely out of scale against everything in the established canon that I like to think of them like this: Starkiller Base blowing up _several_ Republic planets *_simultaneously_* is like ISIS landing a surprise attack on New York harbor with a 20-mile-long aircraft carrier that shoots 3m diameter lasers from turrets and lighting from its ass. Nobody saw them coming, nobody knew they had it, and nobody can explain where they were able to get the gigantonormous *resources* required to build it. It does not make a shred of sense, because it is _completely_ out of proportion within the well established Star Wars universe.
One of the many reasons I hated TFA right after watching it.
Classic films that had a setting...
To the new ....that actually don’t have any...
This comment is great!
You have literally explained my beliefs of this new garbage. Thank you
You hit the nail right on its head.
Fuck Jar Jar Abrams.
It was more thought through, actual plots, and it actually made sense (don't even get me started on the "duels").
For instance: Luke Skywalker.
Legends: He continued to persist and grow in the face of adversity. He knew the pull of the Dark Side and chose not to give in to it. Seeing the darkness in one of his students he always tried to find ways to turn them back to the light, using death as the final resort when all else failed. Continued to develop and rediscover force and lightsaber techniques to the point of near god-hood. Was able to retain his individuality in the Force hundreds of years after his death to assist his descendant Cade Skywalker and keep him from falling to the Dark Side completely.
"Canon": He gave up and cut himself off from the Force after one incident where he saw Ben Solo's "future" and decided rather than trying everything to bring him back, instead to kill him in his sleep, rather than face him in open combat. After failing to end his nephew he went into hiding instead of trying to fix his mistakes, essentially running away.
In other words Disney, you dun fucked up. Should've used the "non-canon" material.
The Chad Legends Luke vs the Virgin Disney Luke
Disney Luke is literally a virgin.
You forgot the mega chad revenge of the sith luke
@@BumAssNigga408 he was only a day old in ROTS. He was still a chad.
Cade Skywalker also had a healing ability that he used after using Deathsticks
Yeah his healing ability I think he had to actually draw on the Dark Side to use it - it was odd. Cade Skywalker was a GREAT character BTW.
@@resurrectedstarships That was great Comic with great writing
@@robinvan1983 Dang where was Obi wan when you need him?
@@DjGrimmace
Not sure, but funny enough Luke's ghost told Cade those were bad for him.
Yeah, the whole shnitick with Cade's Force Healing ability is that he pulled from the Dark Side of the Force to use it, and his whole story was him constantly skirting on the edge of it.
This isnt even a discussion. Disney had 1000s of stories to go by and ignored all of them. Legends is still the true starwars canon to me
Same here!!
Why don't we all just say it like it is. Disney killed the original EU, because they wanted to A. Simplify/dumb down any expanded universe content for newer Star Wars fans and B. Sell more merchandise without having to worry about crediting original authors/developers/content creators.
That's why the Battle of Jakku, which was apparently the final battle of the Galactic Civil War happened only a year after The Battle of Endor. SO Disney could wrap it up in a year with their own content, versus the original EU, which had the Galactic Civil War ending something like 15 years or so after the Battle of Endor. Disney is dumbing it down for the new Star Wars fans.
They shoulda smacked all these casuals and only movie going Star Wars fans with a glorious theatrical adaptation of The Thrawn Trilogy and raked in the money.
@@blackshogun272 Yep. Or better yet, they could create it now (without any changes to the original outside of necessary film adaptations. I mean, who would have thought that Disney would turn down a chance to make even more money.
this 100%
Iirc, in the Disney books the Battle of Jakku happened like 9 years after Endor, until it was changed in Battlefront 2. They couldn’t even stay with their own source material
If legends was canon, what was the point of the OT if the war still went on for another 15 years?
You know, I was actually on board at first with the decision to do away with the old EU, especially when I heard LucasFilm was setting up an official Story Group to ensure continuity. Starting over with a clean slate would allow them to make the best possible Star Wars stories without having to worry about excessive retcons or writing themselves into a corner.
Instead we got a derivative and inferior retelling of the OT, with no regard for world building, internal consistency or even a clear vision for the trilogy. The crowning irony of it all is they STILL ended up writing themselves into a corner because they had no plan, culminating in the absolute mess that is TRoS. As for the vaunted Story Group, they have not delivered on their mission statement, with numerous inconsistencies already cropping up in the current official canon and some events (such as an infamous fart orgy scene at a wedding in one book...I wish I was making that up) being rewritten and retconned. The times the Story Group has spoken up are usually pathetic attempts at damage control, desperately trying to hold the creaking continuity together with bubble gum and spit as people like J.J. Abrams, Rian Johnson, Lawrence Kasdan (man, what happened to you? You wrote ESB and RotJ, for God's sake!) and Chris Terrio run roughshod over it with absolutely no regard for consistency.
That said, there is still a chance to turn things around. Kevin Feige (the man responsible for successfully helming the MCU) is apparently coming on board, and people like Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni have been killing it with The Mandalorian. My hope is, with the so-called "Skywalker Saga" complete LucasFilm will get its act together with the help of these talented individuals and we can move on while pretending the sequel trilogy never happened. Until then, I'll be sticking to mostly Legends.
Yeah, at this point, all my hope for future GOOD Star Wars movies rests on people like Dave Filoni; who's basically the closest Lucas ever had to an apprentice or padawan.
Best most balanced explanation of this whole damn mess, even if I disagree with them ever doing away with the original eu, still, this makes alot of sense. Good job!
I'm not exactly thrilled about the people behind Marvel capeshit seeping their way into Star Wars. And while Filoni was able to do good with TCW, Rebels and Resistance are certainly stains on his resume. Is Filoni actually talented, held back by Disney, or good when he works with a great mind like Lucas? I have no idea; hopefully he can do something better than ruining Thrawn, inter-dimension time travel bullshit, bringing back Darth Maul for no reason, neutering the Mandalorians, ruining Order 66 by retconning the method behind having the clones follow orders, or making General Grievous a comic relief character instead of the intimidating villain that he was in the 2003 Clone Wars series.
@@comicsans1689 You bring up some good points. I got rather bored of the MCU's formulaic approach and stopped watching it around Civil War. I also don't regard Dave Filoni as the untouchable savior of the franchise that many fans seem to believe. I didn't care for Rebels and Resistance either, and some of Filoni's ideas about the Force rub me the wrong way, such as Mortis and the horribly contrived World Between Worlds (God forbid his precious OC Ahsoka actually died facing Vader, even if it would have been far more impactful thematically to reinforce just how far Anakin had fallen to the dark side).
That said, I think the pros do outweigh the cons. Rebels and Resistance were clearly hampered by executive meddling from LucasFilm higher-ups who wanted "kid-friendly" Star Wars content, hence the stark contrast in more mature content when compared to Clone Wars. Filoni seems willing to put aside his ego when collaborating with others as well, as seen by Jon Favreau's soft reboot of Mandalorian culture to their more militant roots. I was okay with Order 66 being retconned, as it added an additional tragic element to the event with regards to the clones. While I much preferred 2003 Grievous as well, it doesn't really mesh with the character's depiction in other sources.
As for the MCU approach, I can at least give the more recent films credit for exploring and adapting the more obscure aspects of the Marvel universe. I've long felt that Star Wars desperately needs to distance itself from Skywalkers and Palpatines along with its habit of trying to tie everything and everyone together somehow, which is one of the reasons why I love The Mandalorian so much. I'd like to see this taken even further and explore settings that have practically nothing to do with the main films, akin to The Alsakan Conflicts and the Legacy era from Legends.
I will never understand why you rubes like the Mandalorian but hate the rest of soy wars. It's drinking from exactly the same cup as the rest. Massive disappointment.
The Expanded Universe The Real Star Wars. 1. Heir To The Empire .2. Dark Empire Saga . 3. Jaina Solo. 4. Jacen Solo . 5. Anakin Solo. 5. Boba Fett is Alive. 6. Yuuzhan Vong 7. Mara Jade. 8. Ben Skywalker. 9. Ania Solo. 10. Alien Stormtroopers 11. Ailyn Vel 12. Mirta Gev. 13. Imperial Knights. 14. Shadows Of The Empire. 15. Lumiya. 16. The Jedi Order Rebuild. 17. The Past The First Sith And The First Jedi Dark Horse Comics.
HELL YEAH
but Add KOTOR, Republic Commando and Jedi academy games
Also add, Starkiller/Galen Marek from the Force Unleashed. The TRUE Rebels origin story.
I'm just Old School, but for me; I consider the Bantham books to be my core EU novels after Ep.6 For me Star Wars ends with Visions of the Future where Luke ask Mara to marry him.
The Crimson Empire trilogy was great as well.
That numbering list could go on forever if we started specifying key pieces. And that's a good thing. The list of these amazing ideas and concepts would wrap around Disney's NuCanon like a interstellar blanket. They ain't got shit on Legends...
We're just legends, 99. Just legends.
Not to me.
To me, you've always been canon.
Lol
True, Man.
Palpatine: "hey rey, please kill me so I can possess your body and be immortal"
Rey: "No"
Kylo: "Hey Rey here's a lightsaber"
Rey: *Kills Palpatine* "I WIN!"
Palpatine: *waits until the credits role, possesses rey*
Palpatine: *Wins*
I was soooooo confused at that part. I was like wait... WHAT?
In the end they literally couldn’t keep up with the continuity they set up 20 minutes before.
Bane got a piece of zhanna so there is that
I like Rey coz some of her facial features are familiar, just the boobs to small
@@xenniealchayliss2489 so you only like Rey because she's hot? ....oof
@@aidand.7911 *pretty* much
A moment of silence for the loss of the second most badass female character in Star Wars, Mara Jade Skywalker
Who was the first?
@@ultra6671 Assuming ashoka tano
@@solar-e-clips9989 what about the Exlied One?
In Summary: Here's what Star Wars could have been if it wasn't handed over to soulless corporate money vampires.
Master, when you declared the Disney Wars non-canon, you got yourself a follower.
Thank you so much.
Legends is so much better. Even with some of the weak writing. The sequel trilogy is abysmal.
On this, we are in agreement, Disney star wars SUCKS....
The EU will always be canon to me.
edit: Jesus Christ, I was just stating my opinion, I didn't expect that my comment would blow up like this with so many likes and comments.
same here!
The EU deserves better.
Same, like most of it for me
Agreed
We need to sign a constitution to bring back Star Wars: EU.
I would say my favorite Skywalker offspring is Jaina Solo. I was pissed when Disney ended the Legends/EU continuity as a "Sword of the Jedi" book trilogy was in the process of being written. For those not in the know "The Sword of the Jedi" was a title Jaina received from Luke via The Force during her Knighting ceremony.
I would also have liked to have learned more about Jacen Solo's and Tenel Ka's daughter Allana Solo.
I remember Ben Skywalker had a vision of Allana potentially falling into darkness. We'll never know since The Mouse cancelled everything!
Just read fanfiction on them
MrGrimjaw Probably find more perverted stuff in that regard, instead of genuinely good stories.
the two book series prior to the cancelled sword of the jedi was hot garbage. and the writer who was supposed to write sword of the jedi was awful. she was by far the worst star wars author to have her work published. Can't just blame her either. Whoever the editors were for these books were also terrible. I was pretty relieved at the time when Disney announced a new canon. Much of the stories in legends had been laughably bad. What makes it worse, is that these new movies literally cherrypicked some of the worst crap from the legends canon. It's actually worse.
@@shoopypit4884you think Legacy of the Force is bad? It's one of the most popular series. It's a very well written, tight and nuanced 9-part story.
I can totally see why some didn't like Fate of the Jedi, but I personally liked it for the most part. It's very creative and ambitious.
I assume you're referring to Christie Golden. If there was an author I can't stand from FotJ, it's Denning. Golden has written over 50 novels. Her Trek novels are very popular among Trek fans, and her Nucanon novels received pretty positive feedback.
I would've gladly read a 3 part Jaina series by Golden.
The second i finished rise of skywalker i said "its like someone read dark empire, waited a year, and then made a movie on what the remember"
When the movie was over I started to clap enthusiastically, acting as I was completely satisfied with the movie . Well... nobody joined me, even though the cinema was almost full. That must mean something...
@@eliaspeter7689 Rise of Skywalker is made to have a somewhat satisfying ending so by instinct you would want to clap because of how triumphant it is.
Of course, lots of people were able to see past it.
@@They_are_Arthur I was NOT satisfied by the ending at all! You misunderstood me...! I did it on purpose just to check if others liked it. NOBODY did. Me neither.
Éliás Péter Was it really that bad? Because after the Last Jedi, I swore I wouldn’t go to a cinema to see a Star Wars film again. At least, not ones made by pretentious goofballs.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Yeah, Rise of Skywalker sucks.
"The sequel trilogy is NOT cannon" He is the messiah!
Let’s not go around calling people the Messiah
Nice Monty Python reference.
Sequel or squeal 😂
the fans get to decide what's canon!
yeah we have different opinions nad there is no need to be enemies because of it
NuCanon is not canon. But rather high budget fanon, that happens to be made by not-fans for not-fans.
Actually, I think Rise of Skywalker was made for fans, but that's the problem. It was too focused on trying to win back fans it pissed off with Last Jedi while also keeping fans of Last Jedi instead of, you know, telling a good story that made sense and wasn't just high budget fan fiction.
@@artsman412 Or rather, what they THOUGHT fans wanted. There's a difference.
@Mr skeleton There's a great Alan Moore quote that say something like "the readers don't know what they like. It's the writers job to give it to them." If only the studios would give creative freedom to those writers who care about telling great stories, rather than worrying about who's going to like it...
Pretty much.
@Mr skeleton I think you hit on one of the main problems right there; Finn. Like you, I really liked Force Awakens, and I especially liked Finn and was hopeful to see where they were going to take his character. After Rogue One came out, I thought they might have Finn be like Chirrut (the blind guy), where he can kinda use the force, but not as much as jedi. That would have been a cool character arc and an interesting expansion of the mythos. But he had next to nothing to do in Last Jedi and was WASTED in Rise of Skywalker. If they'd kept focus on Finn AND Rey, I think the story could have felt a bit more balanced, but because it just focuses on Rey more and more as the films go on, not only do you waste a good character, but you turn your other good character into a Mary Sue (Which is NOT what she started out as, but it's what she became by the end of the trilogy)
I totally agree with your position on the Disney Trilogy and consider it non canon myself!! Great video!!
Same
Yep.
Losers
@@alexayala3405 bruh
They cant be canon they break the rules of the universe
Friendly reminder that if Disney can declare Legends noncanon, they can retcon the sequel trilogy. And you know they will when they want more green.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did that. Even they seem embarrassed about what they’ve done.
Or even any green at all lol. They broke even on the $4bn they gave George 😂😂😂
I would rather have legends stay non canon. It is quarantined from all the bad decisions disney makes
Well, this seems way more likely now
Once they feel enough time has passed, Disney will reboot the original trilogy, hiring three ditzy teens to replace Hamill, Fisher, and Ford.
LEGENDS WINS!!!!
NO CONTEST!!!!
FATALITY
@Felix Blegends is better than Disney even with the bad parts
@Felix B and now i will annihilate you in three words "The Thrawn Trilogy" sit down kid and what the fuck is "langey"
@Felix B you should probably stay in school kid!
Your spelling is terrible!
@Felix B Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command, are masterpieces. The Disney trilogy is trash.
Far as I'm concerned Disney's crap is non-canon. Legends is the true continuation of the story.
I really want to believe this but i can't forget the fact that the sequels are canon
I AGREE COMPLETELY
I agree
over 90% of fans of the Disney trilogy are fans of only the Disney trilogy
These days I honestly struggle to even find Disney War fans. I don't consider people who just watch the movies to be "fans". I mean, people who genuinely like the Disney Wars comics, games and books. Outside of Fallen Order, The Mandalorian and Rogue One everything else is just so bad I've yet to find someone who is genuinely invested in it.
Rhsims there are millions of sequel trilogy fans it’s just most of them doesn’t feel the need to shove their opinion down everyones throats.
They are a Cancer
@@charlieefreak1362 You've obviously never been to Reddit. There's a cult of sequel trilogy enthusiasts there who behave like the most obnoxious, whiny little fan boys that I've ever seen.
@@SuperTonyony Yeah i've seen a lot crazy staunch defenders of the disney star wars on the internet.
Ah, yes, the Legendary Luke Skywalker, now nothing more than a smelly space hobo getting drunk on fermented blue milk.
MisterIdjit Just what I imagined the young, hopeful and ambitious Jedi Knight to become. A rat on some backwards planet wishing for death.
And dies anticlimactically for no reason.
Legends > Disney
I miss the real Luke Skywalker
Luke was a little too powerful towards the end of legends canon. they had to think up ways to write him out of several stories because he was just in the way. Luke at the beginning of NJO, IMO, was the perfect old Luke
@@shoopypit4884 but lets just admit his story in legends was far better than jake skywalker
@@DarthVader-sp8fe no contest dude, seriously. Legends is a far better story, overall. I mean, i know there are some people who criticized the Vong, but for me, they were and still are better villains than the Dumb Order could ever be
@@barrannugrahakodri8695 i couldn't agree more
@Wilfri Castillo Plus it wasn't all about being powerful he won by being smart too. Thrawn Trilogy had Luke pull a Magyver and escape from storehouse on a planet where he couldn't use the force with nothing but a jagged piece of metal, some wires and a his cybernetic hand. Dark Empire also had him help stop the World Devastators because he had R2-D2 download the codes that would cause them to target each other.
At least with Chewie's death from the old material regardless of how many may have felt about it, he at least went out in a blaze of glory and didn't die an empty, meaningless and emotionless death like many of the main characters in the Sequel movies.
The Yuuhzang Vong war was one of the greatest SW story arcs ever.
Amen
Goddamn right...some of my favorite villains in Star Wars! You gotta love the Vong!
And obviously they had to screw it up and remove them
Yes but it was also violent cuz so many beings died. One sacrifice tho stopped the invaders which was Borsk Feylya detonating a bomb in a Coruscant building, killing 25,000 Vong alongside himself
@@ArnavKhode Isn't that his only redeeming feat? Dude was a prick throughout the story.
My apologies for language.
They say legends not canon , we say sequel trilogy NOT canon... LONG LIVE LEGENDS
Expanded universe.
#LongLiveTheExpandedUniverseTheTrueOfficialCanon
@@sergegordeev9426 the expanded universe is a part of legends
well yeah aren't canon but you can prefer them form canon it's ok
The Star Wars Legends are telling the story about a gigantic galaxy and well thought-out planetary systems.. The Star Wars Sequels are telling us the story about a few tiny natural planets in a lifeless and empty
nothing..
Yeah
Disney: Hey can i copy your homework?!
Legends: ok??
Disney: let me just rewrite it, so it's not that not too obvious and make it diverse and meant for non-fans.
Tropic Sciurus it’s just as diverse as the originals
In what way did Disney try to make it DIVERSE as they wanted?
Legends is superior in every which way, hands down
Ethr Sag they say legends never die
Amen to that.
I’m glad I’m not alone when I say Legends is superior. Also I think the Yuzzhan Vong war was a good addition to the story
They're far more original than the Grysk. Besides, they're from another galaxy. Why are people complaining?
Im very glad that there are other people other than me who dont consider the sequel trilogy canon and consider legends canon
Its ironic too, because it's only the big star wars fans. People who really enjoy it, and understand legends for what it is, I've met so many people in comments that dont even touch legends because they dont like how it's different than disneys star wars...
The Expanded Universe is better than anything Disney's version of "Lucasfilm" has ever made, with the exception of The Mandalorian. I'm still not paying for Disney+ though. Disney even went so far as to nullify Kyle Katarn's major contributions with Rogue One, basically trying to say he never existed.
When they destroyed 30+ years of Canon, what Star Wars fans knew to be true thanks to George's and Leland's Canon System, we all knew something was rotten with Disney's "Luasfilm" and the Disney Wars trilogy just confirmed it. TFA, TLJ and ROS were like really, REALLY bad fanfics.
...the first two episodes of the Mandalorian were good.
M.D.Metal did you read any of the Disney comics and novels?? Because there’s great stuff there. Doctor Aphra comics for example are awesome
+Olivia Williams With all due respect, no there isn't. I gave Disney the benefit of the doubt with TFA, and the nostalgia was the only thing that got me through that movie. Don't even get me started on TLJ. When Kathleen Kennedy flat out LIED to George Lucas's face... I watched that full interview where George handed over Star Wars to her. She handed him a heaping helping of BS about how his characters would live on as he intended.
Han Solo: Disney turned him into a deadbeat dad and killed him off.
Luke Skywalker: Disney turned him into a broken old man that let ONE mistake ruin his life... and then they killed him off.
Yeah, I'm SURE that George wanted two of his three signature characters to be totally disrespected before being killed off. /endsarcasm
So no. Nothing Disney Wars has done on the big screen is worth my money. Neither are the new Disney Wars novels or comics.
At least the novelists in the Expanded Universe treated George's characters with respect.
@@MDMetal If you haven't read the novels or comics how can you say that they have disrespected the characters? You do realize that the people who are making and storyboarding the comics are completely different from those from the Sequel Trilogy. Darth Vader's comic runs have been terrific. Rise of Kylo Ren has been interesting so far as was Kanan series.
+Shadeius Disney doesn't get my money anymore. Simple as that. TLJ was the last Disney movie I took my family to, and I came damn close to actually demanding my money back for that one. For perspective, I've seen some VERY bad movies in theaters, and I'd never even considered demanding my money back for any of them, until TLJ. I'd rather watch "Starcrash" again than give Disney another penny. I saw that one when I was a little kid. It was cheap, and cheesier than all 3 Gloryhammer albums combined, but it sure was a helluva lot of fun!
The sequels aren’t canon. The fans decide what is canon.
Preach.
And George Lucas, Lucas doesn't approve of the sequels making them non canon
@@CaptainWaldoe I thought he disapproved of mara jade as well?
w??? the fans decide???!!?
If so, I decide that EVERYONE in Star Wars is gay!
@@thecoolnerdcolress1738 J.K ROWLING?!?
“Of course there was some fan backlash.”
The author of the story literally got death threats.
That's not exactly unique on the internet. Have you ever visited tumblr? Well don't, but you get my drift haha.
@@Akalos1 he got death threats in the actual mail. its a bit different than a keyboard warrior on tumblr. tumblr wasnt even a thing at the time
It kinda becoming a tradition for the star wars fandom to be continuously in a state that resembles the Battle of Coruscant in Ep3, but death threats? That's out of line. Those fans took 'fan' to the extreme and entered 'fanatic' territory. Not cool.
The Star Wars Rabbid Fans are something to behold, makes me fuzzy and warm inside to see them writhe in the presence of the new Sequel Trilogy.
@@KhepriX
Cope.
I really hope that one day Disney will let writers go back to writing on the old legends timeline again.... hell even label it legends!! I mean the still sell the legends material so I don't see what the problem is!!
Hmm star wars legends Episode VII, Dark Force Rising ...text crawl; It has been five years since the emperor's death at the battle of Endor. Senator Leia Organa Solo is pregnant with twins....
That would be awesome too, but id be happy just to have them continue writing the books and marking them as legends and have it as a seperate timeline....
@@dwaldpilar9309 Indeed as the real timeline.
@@dwaldpilar9309 then no one would buy canon
I got nothing against the EU. The only book I read in its entirety was Shadows of the Empire over twenty years ago, but I was glad Disney went a different direction. For better and worse it was the right decision I think. But what I would like to see (and would even encourage Disney to do if I had any pull) would be to adapt the EU stories into a Star Wars Legends animated series on Disney+. Marvel has the MCU which is one canon, and all the animated shit that is a different canon. Why not do the same with Star Wars? Clearly there’s a market for it.
I feel like the Disney defenders who use the “Legends was chaotic and full of plot holes” excuse never actually read any legends, like yeah there is some plot holes but they act like everything has a plot hole which is wrong
To be fair, most of those people were born in the mid to late 90s. They missed a lot of the really good EU books/media.
Legends is way better than anything in the sequel trilogy
IMO
I agree!
Aye
On the left: *The chad EU.*
On the right: *The virgin Disney ST.*
That's why I refuse to accept Disney's canon. They take away the realistic canon plus decanonize the EU canon. I'll reverse their decisions on them with the same disrespect that Disney dishes out to the hardcore Star Wars fans.
When Force awakens first came out, i kinda felt hopeful for the simple fact that it done away with to convoluted canon that was the expanded universe. It turned out to be just as messy, but with less lore to draw from.....alas.....
Not to mention it made even LESS sense and was even more confusing somehow.
more people contributed to the legends(real-canon) and it was more organized than these 3 movies...
The reason why for me The Dark Empire works is because it happened 6 yrs after the Battle Of Endor so Luke, Leia and Han are all still alive and this fight with Palpatine was their fight as oppose to Palpatine in ROS sitting up over +40 yrs with a thumb up his arse as that perpetual time passes the torch is handed down to the next uninteresting failed next generation characters like Rey, Finn n Poe which can be blamed on bad writing and still fighting the same bloody threat since the Clone Wars is where I have a problem as well as the boring anti climatic finish, yeah everything is handed to Rey on a plate. When you look at Legends they had a tough hard battle with Palpatine you had Luke almost turn to the Dark Side with the help of Leia to for him to see that he would have failed going down this path something Anakin Skywalker failed at and Luke maimed and defeats the most powerful version of Palpatine only for him to be stubborn using clones bodies to keep surviving until Han destroys all his clone bodies since its Han’s youngest child’s body he is trying to possess and ultimately veteran Jedi Brant sacrifices himself to entrap Palpatine’s spirit ending Palpatine once and for all and saving Anakin Solo that is a whole lot more climatic than freakin Rey with 2 lightsabers blocking his force lighting and destroying him ohhhhh so lazily. The Dark Empire arc wins over ROS by a significant margin everything about it is superior and more effective, what lies ahead after ROS? Nothing cool or interesting like the Yuuzhan Vong, Darth Krayt, or Abeloth thats for sure.
Another thing about Dark Empire that is better than ROS: Brand, who holds Palpatine's spirit protecting Anakin Solo, was only there because of Darth Vader's actions. If Vader hadn't stranded him on a world that could heal him and where he would one day meet Leia and Han he never would've saved Anakin, vader's grandson and namesake. It all leads back to Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader! Th Chosen one, the Hero, the Villain; the main character that drove the story of Star Wars long after he died. In the whole sequel cacophony it comes down to Palpatine growing a dud clone, letting the clone live and have a super-duper perfect baby, killing his unaborted dud, and the freaking marey sue showing up later, overpowered as hell and evaporating him with two lightsaber. Vader is reduced to a mentioned side character at best, it really did just ruin what is the story of Anakin Skywalker. Also fuck gotcha moments they are lazy, and they weren't even trying in ROS.
I do remember Empatojayos Brand’s story about getting maimed badly the way he is by Darth Vader but I assumed Vader thought he killed Brand and went about it like that he more than likely was unaware that Brand landed on a planet where he could be healed since he was to purge
and kill all Jedi at the time, so I figured initially Leia and Han were just lucky to meet Brand by chance but that is very interesting how Vader’s action impacted the fate of his grandchild of the same first name. Brand is VERY underrated with unique story and design very original easily one of my top 5 favorite Jedi in SWs and to me a real hero of the Dark Empire Arc with Luke since he is the one at the end whom nobly sacrifices himself granted he was mortally wounded by Palpatine’s Force Lightning as like Vader FL was very damaging and deadly to his cybernetics. Anyways just look at the difference you had 2 powerful Jedi Masters and one whom in the end sacrifices himself along with the spirits of other deceased Jedi to my understanding to seal Palpatine in the Nexus of the Force forever plus EU Palpatine during Dark Empire was absurdly OP with crazy mad feats. Then like you said a Mary Sue whom is seen to be an amateur and in the course of 3 movies is able to beat Palpatine with 2 lightsabers when you seen in Canon Jedi Masters like Yoda whom trained all his life and Mace Windu couldn’t stop him is where I have one of many problems as well as all the Legacy characters being dead too. When you look at 40 ABY in Canon their still fighting Palpatine all this time and the same Empire with a different brand name, +40 ABY in EU you had Luke Rebuild the New Jedi Order after brutal confrontation with Exar Kun’s spirit sealed at Yavin 4 for over 3 millennia to strike terror again, Yuuzhan Vong Wars where The New Republic and remains of the Empire team up to face this bigger threat, the brief Swarm War, Corruption of The New Republic led by Natasi Daala that led to GM Luke being banished, the forecoming Abeloth whom both Luke and Ben faced as father and son and even teaming up with The Lost Tribe of the Sith. Oh and Kylo Ren is a rip-off of Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus. It’s obvious which timeline has the better story and more depth to enjoy as well as consistency.
@@corpsedesecrator2612 Exactly! The original EU was very well done, with interesting stories, new characters, ideas, and the original characters it all started with grow and face incredible challenges. I must say that it was not perfect, there was bloat to some of the time period of stories told, like the Clone Wars and Vong story periods. Respectively the wars take 3 and 4 years to begin and conclude, and with all that goes on my head would spin trying to process what time had passed in-universe given all that occurs. Those two periods are crucial because we see what shaped the galaxy and what challenges it faced after that era. One of the best scenes in it is, I think, is where Luke and his son Ben journey Beyond Shadows drawn by Abeloh. Luke becomes so entrenched in their quest that he begins losing sight and his mind like all the others Abeloth ensnares. Ben comes after his father in this other realm and with help from Mara Jade, his mother who Darth Caedus murdered, Luke remembers his son and turns around choosing not to make the same mistake as his father. As they turn to leave their guides try to convince them, and block the way out, Luke force pushes him way ahead grabs his son's hand and they begin trudging out of that nightmare. Ben and Luke have a nice homage scene to ROTJ and we see Luke be badass not taking shit from a cultist and saving his life. And Vader was the catalyst for it all, Palpatine was the one in control but Vader at his side was an absolute necessity. for his plans to work. When Vader says "I must obey my Master", and given some knowledge of force powers, in Rotj I think Vader was really enslaved by Palpatine as a kind power source given his place in the force. I think what we see in Dark Empire is an ultra vital Palpatine at his most twistedly ingenious Sith sorcerer, bolstered by a lifetime of Skywalkers force essence. That's my theory anyway. And yes the Kylo Ren character became such a disappointment .
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@Victory Games@
Basically, in stark contrast to The Ruse Of Soywalker, Dark Empire means that the Chosen One got Sidious *_twice_* .
@Corpse Desecrator@
Long live Brand's legacy.
i will NEVER accept disney star wars as canon.
the skywalker saga was over with return of the jedi.
true! They destroyed the Skywalkers as characters! They made the whole 6 episodes seem pointless!
The medical scene with Finn was probably one of the dumbest movie scenes I've ever seen.
The EU series will always be Star Wars.
@ Same (accept for being black). I loved the story arc with Kyle Katarn being a former Storm Trooper and while I was sad he (and many others) were not in the stories, I thought Finn would at least channel that. He was setting up to be my favorite character but turned into the bumbling fool. He is basically the Shaggy/Scooby of Star Wars.
@ Ah, good point. Shaggy and Scooby actually filled their roles as characters. That's too much credit to be given to what they did to Finn.
What hurts for me is that character like finn and rose had a lot of potential. I mean, i'm from south east asia like Rose's actress, I would be glad to see an asian character IF it was written well. I just don't care for those who put a minority character for the sake of DIVERSITY. It is insulting and condescending. That is just something that those disney dumbasses don't get
For all their professed concern for minority representation in film and social justice issues, Disney not only wasted the potential for the character of Finn but also disrespected him by reducing his role in the story down to that of an ancillary buffoon. Watching him get the Stepin' Fetchet treatment in those opening scenes of Episode VIII caused even me as a white guy to cringe.
Wait his name is finn? I thought it was
RRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY
i will never understand this "Copyright holder decides whats canon" thing
you're just setting yourself up for dissapointment with a mindset like that nowadays
It’s utterly stupid. What’s the point of anything if it can be changed with whoever has the money to buy it.
This is true. Just because they have money, they get to decide what something is and isn't? It doesn't work that way.
It’s like if someone bought the Mona Lisa and smeared ketchup on it.
@@gabethebabe3337 Accurate.
You know what, I am just going to think of the Disney canon trilogy as a bad dream. One that should be lost to history. Ok scratch that it should be remember as a lesson of what NOT to do. It should be seen as a bad fan-fiction. Or if possible, a study of how this fuck up came to be.
I want to see the real Star Wars.
*Legends*
I said the REAL Star Wars.
*Expanded Universe*
Perfection.
The Disney Trilogy has never been canon for me, no matter what anyone says, Disney screwed up big time.
This new star wars trilogy is nothing more but a fan fiction for me... I can only hope the other parallel universe is having a blast with a better Alternate New star wars trilogy not own by Disney and certainly not Directed by JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson.
Agreed.
@@DreamerFromBeyond Indeed.
Anything George didn’t over see isn’t cannon
Like I said it's dbgt to me
Just to let everyone know, someone has been making a computer animation adaptation of the thrawn trilogy, releasing it chapter by chapter on RUclips.
His user account is darth angelus. Not the best direction, but pretty true to the novel.
@@Akalos1 The animation isn't bad either.
@@jayburn00
A link please
@@thealexgundam5006 ruclips.net/video/MN8oCvpyQjQ/видео.html Will get you the scroll intro. There are three chapters released after that I think.
pre-disney EU books are CANON disney IS NOT !!!!
Only very little of the Disney Era stuff I accept.
The power of imagination
Yo chill dude it's just a silly space series
@@amymcfadden2272 no
And this new trilogy is not my cannon either.... amen!!
Seylah.
#NotMyStarWars
The disney trilogy was rather painful to get through
The Star Wars darkhorse comics and novels literally got me through years of depression in highschool over ten years ago, Being an adult and seeing what has become of the Disney sequel trilogy...yikes. Really hoping 'The mandalorian' doesn't touch base with the First Order in season 2... The remnant Empire make such better adversaries.
Couldn't agree more about the Mandalorian. This new twisted canon doesn't deserve such a great series. They're too good for it. And the rumours about Lucas's return and Kennedy's resignation give us hope for that.
It would be cool if Mandalorian connected to the EU.
@@stranger__4956 I would love it the disney trilogy would be nor canon anymore, but The Mandalorian could stay
The real Luke would of never became a hermit or try to kill his sister's son
In the old Thrawn trilogy, Palpatine's presence was clearly there although he wasn't going to get back to life, everything that he left behind was a threat to the New Republic. The Empire had access to cloning tech again and to CLOAKING shields tech too ! And most of all Palpatine's malice and cruelty was embedded in the Last Command he gave to Mara Jade: "You will kill Luke Skywalker!"
Not to mention that the Empire now had a competent commander with Thrawn that didn't need uber superweapons to win. And a crazy dark Jedi addicted to manipulating people for his own pleasure and didn't even care for political power.
Plus a mostly badass and sassy female character: Mara Jade.
Quo Niam the character designs and concepts of Revan, Traya, Valkorion and Jacen Solo destroys the Disney NuCanon into oblivion...
Altough I've never read Star Wars books, I think even I could have come up with something that makes 10000 times more sence than this "trilogy".
@@blackshogun272 Kotor 2 is garbage and the plot is especially an abortion. Traya is a nonsense character that doesn't belong in star wars. THAT SAID: I'll still take Black Isle trash over disney soy wars.
I know i'm late, "Snoke created with no real plan" That's the entire set of sequels. Step one. Make starwars movies. Step two. ?. Step three. Profit.
In my opinion Rise of Skywalker felt like it could have been split into two or three different movies by itself. I got way to much plot whiplash from that movie, there was just too much going gnat once. Breaking it up would have made for much better story flow.
On a completely unrelated note: Mara/Luke will forever be the best ship in the Star Wars saga. Hands down.
Also, what's with Landowner's just kicking around a desert world for two decades, like what even? He's an entrepreneur a businessman. Sure I can see him working with Luke during his search for the Sith Wayfinder, but by the Force why didn't he leave with Luke when they didn't find any leads on Ochi?
Edit: While I personally disagree with most of the creative decisions that went into the Sequel Trilogy, they did have some interesting concepts to play with. Especially in the Last Jedi. Now if only they hadn't butchered the execution so badly.
Yes when I first heard of this Disney trilogy I was just hoping Mara jade would finally be used. 😣
The sequel trilogy should have really been an asmanymoviesastheycouldgiveusogy. Why stop with just a trilogy? What does that accomplish? George made six episodes, at a minimum they should have matched that.
William Trotman wtf bro I’m just glad that shitty trilogy is over.
Nah I’m just glad we are done with the garbage sequel trilogy and can move onto better things now.
I do not acknowledge the Disney Empire parody movies as cannon either. There is no Sequel Trilogy (ST), only actual Star Wars and the Disney Trilogy (DT).
Wait... What's the difference between the Sequel Trilogy and the Disney Trilogy?
@@artsman412 The difference is that the Disney Trilogy is NOT a sequel to the OT. It is a piss poor copy, a bad parody of the galaxy far, far away.
I agree with you. I personally do not acknowledge Disney’s Star Wars as canon.
@@bopthelop Me neither. That ting is a joke. It feels like it just wants to discredit the previous 6 films.
The first order wouldve been a slow wendsday for EU luke.
In Viscount, the "s" is silent. It's named after a French Medieval noble responsible for the defense of the boarder regions and is able to act autonomously in that regard, so it's a pretty cool name for that kind of ship.
Showing the Yuuzhan Vong invasion would have convinced audiences that Palpatine and Thrawn were right, and go against whatever "woke" narratives the sequel filmmakers have in mind.
Well that was something the series brought up Han shot it down. l loved his rant about how stupid the Empire's policy of making superweapons was.
@@emberfist8347 If you're talking about that creating the Death Star wouldn't be as effective as a big army of Imperial Destroyers, sure, it isn't as effective from a military point of view. But I heard that the Death Star wasn't intended to be an effective way of subjugating the Rebellion, but instead a way of demoralizing them, as well as encouraging their own troops. A float of Imperial Destroyers wouldn't be as menacing as a giant space station able to blow up an entire planet into dust.
@@EnrocaLaRoca Han''s ran was more about that Superweapons wouldn't work against the Vong because the every superweapon the Empire built had some sort of design flaw.
Blake Tyson but can you imagine the Empire pulling the improved Death Star on the Vong? Defended by the Imperial Fleet, led by Thrawn?
A couple hours with the Death Star intact would be more than enough to take out like half the Vong worldships instantly, kinda like Centerpoint Station, except more reliable and easier to aim.
And we don’t need to say too much about Thrawn. The fleet of the Empire of the Hand, the might of the Imperial Navy, the Chiss Ascendancy, Thrawn would’ve wiped the floor with the Vong, and you know if he had a Death Star in the mix he’d pull all sorts of tricky Chiss tactics.
Oh yes we can't have star wars related content without Empire apologists *rolls eyes*
Legends: dozens of passionate and dedicated writers.
'Canon': ''I have no idea what the hell I'm doing!''
Honestly, I'm kinda okay with Legends being "non-canon", or rather, its own canon. All canon is is arbitrarily deciding some fictional stories are more real than others. Legends was already more than 300 books as is. I'm okay with that universe getting to exist and untampered with by Disney.
In legends Luke and his family lived incredible lives and went on amazing and compelling adventures that filled several novels. Meanwhile in cannon after Endor Luke pretty much just cut up a couple dark troopers, started a Jedi school, lost the Jedi school, then gave up on everything to fuck off to a rock for the rest of his life and Han and Leia had one whiney, obnoxious son who ran away from home during an emo phase and then they separated. So much fun
Back when we first heard of the make of a sequel I was excited! But after hearing them saying some changes and thought “Alright, I shall tolerate it and see how it goes.” Then after seeing Force awakens... I knew I felt something bad was gonna happen and after TLJ.... I was right. Thank you Disney, JJ, and especially you KENNEDY for all you’ve done to make use hate this version!
Same :(
The new sequel trilogy is "Not Cannon" Yesssss!!
Disney star wars doesn’t deserve our recognition
And ESPECIALLY our money!
Disney’s version is purely propaganda and a monopoly.
The Expanded Universe (Legends) = A beautiful classic car that had some bumps and scrapes, but otherwise was meticulously well maintained over the years
The Disney Trash = A once beautiful classic car they found sitting in a barn. They let the interior become infested with rats, then set it on fire to fix the problem and then just left it like that. They sold the entire engine and drive train on Craigslist for reasons, but spent millions giving the exterior the most epic makeover ever.
Disney Star Wars is more like a Ford Pinto.
@@KM-dk5gn Nah the Pinto is surprisingly safe I would it is a FIAT.