Shout outs to my inability to pronounce "C'baoth"! LOL Hey, when you read these things growing up with no pronunciation guide, you sort of have to make it up as you go. ;)
@@erikurizita6702 I'm literally just finding out by your comment lol read the books and the graphic novels multiple times, always thought it was how it's said in the video or similar, mind blown 🤷
I think the thing that made Thrawn so compelling is that he strays from the typical, mystical villain of the star wars stories. He is Moriatry with no Sherlock, so everyone has to pull all then know together to defeat him. It makes him far more of a threat than someone who has power that you know the hero will eventually be able to attain and counter.
he is not written smart, he is written all-knowing. thats why i think he is TOTALLY overrated! saying "Species X cannot counter Manuever Y" does not make a character smart, it's just writing lore the way it makes him LOOK smart. what smart tactics did he exactly use, thats not just lore thats written to his advantage? how can Thrawn guess that someones voice is not actually theirs, but a droid with modulated voice?? with NO hints at all?? never ever did someone assume a voice is actually just a droid, only this one time when it's right!
I haven't read the post-Crucible comics, but from bits and pieces I gather that Thrawn is what galactic society eventually evolves into: a non-force-sensitive meritocracy. Subtle hints are littered throughout Legends, like Daala's push for control over the order, the failure of High Republic pacifism (haven't read yet!), going so far back, as the anti-Force shadow group in SwtOR's imperial agent story, and even the impending everyone-vs-jedi war hinted at at the end of Dawn of the Jedi. The consumer-friendly level of depth characteristic to most Star Wars content leaves little doubt that this is a paraphrase for democracy over aristocracy. Always turns my stomach when someone in real life goes "unite behind me".
Seriously, most star wars villains end up ripping off Vader or Palpatine. I mean Malak, Kylo Ren, Grand Inquisitor are all clear do-overs of the fallen jedi story. Snoke, Tenebrae, all those Clone Palpatine stuff.
@@nocrtname What makes Thrawn so dangerous is that he looks for counters to his threats. He found a counter to protect himself and his troops from the force. Interestingly enough, it was not made clear if Thrawn knew about this counter before the books, or learned of it. He might have known for years, but did not act on it for concern that if Palpatine or Vader learned he had such resources, they would have destroyed him.
Thrawn was the best villain of the Star Wars mythos, IMHO. No supernatural powers, just his intelligence... Takes the New Republic to the very edge. Excellent trilogy that should have been the only sequel.
The 90s were a great decade for Star Wars literature and comics. Heir to the Empire followed by Dark Empire were what we should’ve gotten in the sequel trilogy.
Of course better not get into any of them while expect no plot holes concerning the time before the battle of yavin because obviously the prequels havent been made yet😅
Episode 7: Heir to the Empire Episode 8: Dark Forces rising Episode 9: The last command Episode 10: Dark Empire Episode 11: Dark Empire II Episode 12: Empire's End
Episode 7: Heir to the Empire Episode 8: Dark Forces rising Episode 9: The last command Episode 10: Spectre of the past Episode 11: Vision of the future
@@Padtedesco I prefer Dark Empire cause it is kind of more cooler. Maybe it's the art style that helps. I mean Luke turned to the Dark Side and the solo children are in danger!
R2-D2s parts in this would be so fun in a live action movie. Thrawn is such a interesting character. When he was in Rebels it was bittersweet , because he deserves a movie
They're on my to-do list! Trying to find an audiobook copy of the second book before I do an episode, just to make sure I remember it all right, but I'll get on it soon, promise!
When you mentioned the other two books it made me think of the duology also from Zahn called the hand of thrawn duology. Also a good couple of books if not a bit less than this trilogy
"Thus is the fate of the enemies of the Empire." - Grand Admiral Thrawn, right after Zaarin blew himself up in Thrawn's trap But seriously, love the avatar.
@@toddbarton1049 Zaarin gave Thrawn a real run for his money for several months with limited resources. He's one of the very few that can say they've bested Thrawn in battle not once, but twice and Thrawn couldn't keep Zaarin from crippling the Empire's advanced starfighter production. Zaarin even stole a scientist out from under Thrawn's nose. Thanks!
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 True. It was so infuriating losing the TIE Defenders and being forced to use gunboats. That game was big part of my childhood, good times.
Clearly remember walking into Walden Books at the mall and seeing Heir to the Empire and having a complete flabbergast moment. This was wonderful and I'm so glad Zahn was kept in the look with the whole Asoka and Rebels thing. Too bad this wasn't the source material for the Sequel Trilogy of movies, which fell far short of what makes Star Wars great.
Same here! It was a Waldenbooks at the Boulevard Mall in Amherst NY where I first saw “Heir To The Empire”. I was stunned, then overjoyed. I was 18 years old at the time. I bought it immediately. Now, at age 50, I love these books just as much as I did in 1991.
Thrawn is a classic character and while the 1st Trilogy is masterful Zahn's further development of Thrawn's character and history reflects a more mature and complex telling. It too bad Disney's having declared the first trilogy "legends." Had that not been done, there might have been a bridge between the earlier work and the latter 2 trilogies because they deserve to be acknowledged and taken into account. The more recent trilogies represent the author's intent just as much as the 1st and the disconnect between Rebels Thrawn and these newer novels just seems to show they mean them to now be "legends." I have found myself trying to make sense of the Thrawn of Rebels and the Thrawn of Zahn's more recent Trilogies. What would account for the "good twin"/ "evil twin" effect. "Good twin" must be from another dimension! It isn't a POV difference. "Evil twin" Thrawn is not as intelligent as "good twin," nor as complex. The later novel, THRAWN, is the result of a more seasoned author. I wish there was not the break in continuity of character between REBELS and the novels, ALLIANCE and TREASON, that might have helped. Nonetheless, brilliant 1st trilogy, and if you have not read it, you are missing out. The recent 2 trilogies are very good but are more grounded and personal, more spy thriller with battles, intrigue, and strategy. More grit and less mythos.
Ah, how I constantly lamented Thrawn's decision to keep C'baoth alive. That and several other mistakes he made. Still, fantastic books by my favorite sci-fi author.
To anyone who hasn’t read/listened to these books they are FANTASTIC! They are everything the Disney sequels weren’t! There are so many great moments of our beloved main characters just being themselves together! I found myself smiling ear to ear so many times and they develop in ways that don’t betray their characters
Well obviously Dark Force Rising next. As to the characters this book introduced, I'd argue Mara Jade was far more important than Thrawn. She was vital to 40+ more novels. It's just that Disney's horrible Sequels threw Luke Skywalker under the bus so had no need for a character so important to his future journey. I was thrilled to see Thrawn teased in Rebels, I would have lost my mind if Mara Jade was with Luke on Ahch-To.
For sure, Dark Force Rising is on the list to cover! Mentioned this in another comment, but I want to give it a proper re-read before making a video about it to give it the proper coverage it deserves, so might be a minute before I can get to it. And fair point! I think I kind of consider Thrawn the bigger impact from this book simply because he is used in so much marketing. Which probably just comes from his super iconic look. (and same, I hope they incorporate Mara Jade into the new Canon in some way and give her the respect the character deserves)
This was one of those books you couldn't put down! It literally blew my mind. This book got me hooked on the Expanded Universe. Since then I've bought hundreds of Star Wars books. Both first edition Hardcover novels and the paperbacks. Prequel novels, up to the Return of the Jedi, and to this incredible story and beyond. Now the Disney books? CRAP!!!!! Just like their movies! Sorry but it's true.
Thrawn went from this truly menacing strategist that was seemingly unstoppable, and never left his chair. That is what made him so scary, his only weapon was his mind, and three star destroyers, and almost destroyed the Republic, something the Empire failed to do at it's height. Then disney took over and made him into some generic cartoon supervillan with the gravitas of a sunday morning cartoon (because he literally became one)
Disney became busy pushing woke agenda such as female & diversity representation instead of writing a coherent and good story that's accurate to the lore. That's why now, the least they can do is nitpick characters, ideas and plots from the expanded universe. Such a waste. I hate Disney's star wars !
Yes, me. I think they will just pick bits they want and leave the rest. Although, I did hear that Timothy Zahn was consulting on Ahsoka so as to get Thrawn right. We'll see I guess
(British) I'm dyslexic, I left school aged 15 in 1987, in 1995 I went to Create to work the summer season, I was renting a room with some Gordie Lads also working the season, one of the lads called Gary was reading this trilogy, being a first generation Star Wars fan I was frustrated at not being able to read the continuation of the sagas, But over the 8 months we lived in the villa Gary taught me how to read through these books, So aged 23 these 3 novels became the first books I read, Thank You Gary I'll always owe you a big debt of gratitude for helping me out, And That's Why I Love This Story, They Better Keep It To Cannon! Woking This Saga Up Will Earn The Director A Smack In The Mouth At Any London Red Carpet He Attends, Because I'll Be In The Crowd Waiting For My Opportunity To Land One On Him Or Her!
This is still the best trilogy post the original trilogy. I swear Grand Admiral Thrawn Is the best villain of the series after Darth Sidous / Palpatine .
this is great! id love it if you did the other books in the trilogy, especially now that they might be diving into a new cannon version of this story with the next starwars shows! i really hope that mara and tallon can make it into new cannon (even if mara wont be able to become lukes wife now that his end game story has already been told). these were easily my favorite starwars novels growing up, and i have always held them equal to the original trillogy and far superior to the prequils and sequels alike. i love that aspects of these stories have become so ingrained into the universe that they are getting pulled into new cannon anyway!
Zahn didn't create Coruscant, he just named it. The city-planet capital of the Empire was in early drafts of RotJ and was detailed in the WEG D6 Star Wars RPGs that Zahn was using as reference material where it was named 'Imperial Planet' with the implication that it obviously wasn't named that before the Empire took over.
Always did love this trilogy, will you be covering the other two books as well? Also for more Star Wars lore i think looking into Jaina and Jacen Solo would be great! Particularly Jacen because his history as a character is so interesting and is probably the inspiration for Kylo Ren’s path as a Sith Lord in a way
I'd argue Kylo Ren has far more in common with Kyp Durron than Jacen Solo. All he really shares with Jacen is his heritage and having a force bond (but used in the opposite way). Kyp and Kylo nearly had identical looks (the only difference was eye color), personalities, obsession with Vaders helmet, unique lightsaber, blowing up a star system, and having the hots for the Rey/Jaina Solo character whom he was a decade older than.
Yes, I'll get to the other two books in the Trilogy at some point! I want to give them both a proper re-read to be as thorough as possible, so it might be a minute though! Oh man, proper explorations of Jacen and Jaina would take some TIME! I'm super down to do it, but that might have to be multiple-video investments haha
Can’t wait for both! The books are so worth the reread anyways so it’s always a treat I’m sure for you! True about Jaina and Jacen though, they have one of the biggest appearances in the legends series, would be a massive look haha. If anyone can do it it’s definitely you and I look forward to those hopefully one day and everything else ahead!
These were great books, great stories, the real sequel trilogy. Maybe a lot going on for film, but they should have tried to adapt them. But it was all about having to create new characters, so as to not have to pay licence fees for previous IP. Very short sighted really, as I imagine a successful sequel triogy would ultimately have netted them more $$$
Your video was awesome sir! You didn't need to ask for a like or a subscription. I was fully intending on doing it. These books, the lore and the history that Timothy Zahn created as I said below, got me so into the expanded universe. These books became my "films", and I have read them all, and re-read them all multiple times. I've needed to go to Barnes & Noble and reacquire many of my paperbacks due to them being read so many times...lol. Especially this series and all of the Timothy Zahn books. I'm well over 300+ books from this Franchise. The Original creator's vision of just Star Wars, then The Empire Strikes Back, to Return of the Jedi. Then any and all of the ones before, during, and after the Prequels. However, of all of the books, comics, and stories, the Timothy Zahn books are the, in my opinion the best of them all. His take on the Star Wars universe was spot on perfect. The creation of Grand Admiral Thrawn was the most creative, unique, innovative, brutal, yet extremely elegant and accurate with his tactics. He had no issues with sacrificing some ships and men just to get a glimpse of the Commander's tactics, and then knowing who he was and where he came from he was able to deduce exactly how to destroy him. This type of attack was one that was never seen before in any of the Star Wars movies and it honestly was a powerful and brutal way of fighting. I apologize for babbling on, but I truly LOVE the Star Wars Universe, especially the universe before Disney. My opinion is that ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES Disney MADE was to ERASE AND DELETE the Expanded Universe and ERASE EVERY PIECE OF DATA, EVERY BOOK, EVERY GRAPHIC NOVEL, AND EVERY SINGLE CREATION FROM THE STAR WARS FRANCHISE!! That not only angered me and quite a few of the fans, but they erased so many incredibly well written stories! Stories that they could have utilized, but Disney DIDN'T WANT TO PAY ANYONE ROYALTIES!!?!! WTH?!?!? Thankfully Dave Filoni, George Lucas' Heir to the Empire was still there. And THANKFULLY he was able to get them to ease up on their arrogance. OR Disney saw that Kathleen Kennedy's "vision" was pathetically inept, idiotic, and it completely tried to destroy everything that George Lucas created! Look at the FIRST LINE in the Disney trilogy. The Farce Awakens, "This will begin to make things RIGHT!" Who ever said it was wrong to begin with? It wasn't bad until Kathleen Kennedy took over and implemented her Farce is Female agenda. It wasn't just that. There have been MANY MANY DIFFERENT AMAZING FEMALE Characters in Star Wars. From Princess Leia, her "Mom" Queen Amidala, Senator Mon Mothma, Mara Jade, and many of the Jedi in the Prequels were women. Shaak-Ti, Luminara Unduli, Barriss Offee, and again many others I can't remember, but my point is George Lucas NEVER EVER thought Star Wars was a Boy's Club. And again one of the STRONGEST characters he created was Princess👸Leia Organa. George Lucas should have NEVER sold Star Wars to Disney! They have literally destroyed everything that George Lucas created. And that is the biggest problem with Disney. Their ARROGANCE. For Kathleen Kennedy to think that she knew better than the Man who CREATED this Universe? For the Disney executives to think that THEY could make better movies than the man who again CREATED THIS VAST AND EXPANSIVE UNIVERSE? Well? Toys and games are at an ALL-TIME LOW! There are more Action Figures in landfills than there are in kids houses. Disney ➕ is, well it stinks. If it wasn't for the series and shows that Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau created, I wouldn't careless about Disney ➕! They took one of the most expansive, incredible, beautifully designed and populated franchises and they said ERASE IT!! WE CAN DO BETTER!! Hang on, 😄😁😆😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭🤣😅🤣🙂🤣😅😂😅😂😆🤣😅😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😆😂😅😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂 Sorry I was laughing about that last part. I have kept my classic📚📚books📚📚, and as I said I still read them, I still cherish them and I still consider them CANON! NO matter what Disney says. Those 📚books📚 have better stories, better characters, and better locations than ANYTHING they've created, with the exception of what Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni have done!
It's been 2 years bud. This is gold! Where's the rest of the trilogy?! I came here for Duel of the Fates but this video got a sub. Need more of this please. Lol God I sound like a RUclips commenter. This is terrible. But your video are great. Great voice, great script and great visual aides.
George Lucas did sell to Disney but mess up. I just hope he shouldn't sell to no one but he did. There is must be something to redo since I really A Force Awakening, The Last Jedi, and the Rise of Skywalker. Those stories don't make any sense to me at all when there is no politics, diplomatic, and tactical warfare. These three episodes are a show for kids. Every star wars fan is no kid and they hated it especially A Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker from the last 3 years, This caused everybody to break hearts about star wars films. The Truth About Star Wars is for all ages, not for kids only. Every fans demanded Lucasfilm to redo the sequel trilogy back to the heir of the empire such as episode I or VI.
I think they've done some great things with the Disney films, but I agree, on the whole I think these books weren't given as much credence as they should have been when they soft-rebooted the universe :( And thank you!! :)
@@spaceghostcqc2137 Exactly, wasn't there an Ashoka trailer where she said "Thrawn's coming back ... as the HEIR TO THE EMPIRE!" Dave F knows exactly what he's doing, if you ask me.
Disney had countless movies, cartoons and comics laid out for them. Yes, some of the early books were a bit messy and contradictory, but they could pic what they wanted.
Just finished Rebels and I love that they build on everything that was awesome with the originals, expanded universe and prequels into something amazing for new generations. I really hope it works, got Disney+ just so can watch it HD without lag and I almost, almost want to install Old Republic again and just play it as a SP game, but so far i'm back to Kotor. Love Thrawn and that all the villains are competent and dangerous instead of jokes like in the sequels, the Rebels lose almost every battle but still win the war. Awesome writing and love Ahsoka so far too.
OH MY GOSH! I remember as a kid I had a Bioncle that came with a comic that had several different pages of this series and as soon as I saw one of those pages, I had a flashback to that time 🙃 goodness, what a trip. Sounds like a good story
Legends Extended Universe will always be canon to me. So much more compelling and exciting stores and characters for thirty years before the big mouse wipe all that away. the sequel pales in comparison to even the thrawn trilogy.
Would love for you to cover the next two books in the Zhan Trilogy. I read all three decades ago, and it'd be useful to have reviews available comparable to this one. Thanks!
I learned after I produced this that it's pronounced, "suh-bow-th". That was my mistake! I had only ever read the characters name in the books/comics :)
I never followed any of the legends content and although I’ve learned a bit about it second hand this is actually my first exposure to it. I saw the original movie in theaters when I was 9 and I’ve always loved the franchise and it’s sad what Disney is doing to it but my suspicions have always been that this was the plan really all along the more I go deep down the rabbit hole
Jor-us Sa-Bai-Oth good illistration of the book, i've listened to nearly all the thrawn books by timmothy zahn while i am at work to help kill time and the entire series by him is amazing. but, what many are talking about "Heir to the Empire" is Princess leia from the Nogri. i strongly urge everyone to read or listen to the books about thrawn. and now that all of what timmothy wrote will be cannon, we will have alot of great star wars content that is only about the skywalker family, its a entire universe!
Coruscant was not a new idea. George Lucas already came up with this for Return of the Jedi, and it was called Had Abbadon. It just had to be scrapped because of financial restriction.
I never knew Thrawn from the old media. I only got into star wars when the new Clone Wars series came out. I liked it so much I went back and watched the original Clone Wars cartoon network series. Then Rebels. It was all so great.
God this would have been such a perfect compliment to the prequel trilogy too. It's all about how a democracy falls, this one would be how one comes together and protects itself. Would've been a great thematic bow. Instead? Palatine...again 🙄
In light of Thrawns return to the main galaxy per the end of Ahsoka, which is currently taking place around 9BBY, with a few tweaks in the story they could STILL make this trilogy into movies. Just a few details are required to be altered in order to fit into current canon.
Favorite Rebels episode was the one with the Trade Federation remnants, so much needed closure. It brings tears to my eyes like the guy who cried over the sequel trailer lol.
It is a shame that Lucas decided to do a prequel trilogy instead of continuing on where RotJ left off. He probably would've made a sequel trilogy had it not been for the negative reactions he received from the prequel films. Most of the people who dislike the Disney Star Wars content seem to have forgotten that the negativity he received by the fanbase in the wake of the prequels affected him on a personal level. It was partly the reason why he stopped making Star Wars movies and eventually approached Disney to sell the franchise.
He named the planet Coruscant , but it was already created by Lucas, it was just named with the placeholder “Imperial Planet “. He used a lot of info from the rpg source books, instead of meeting with Lucas constantly.
Currently re-reading Dark Force Rising so I can give it this treatment ;) Thrawn getting namedropped in the Mandalorian made me want to get back into these!
"Star Wars: Heir of the Empire" really should have become the first film of the sequel trilogy, but a certain executive at Disney/Lucasfilm refused to accept any of the Star Wars Legends aka Star Wars Expanded Universe. This is a great opportunity that simply wasn't taken yet it should have been after all.
I Read These Books On a 3 week Trip (on Night Shift) on A Supply Ship in the North Sea (ESV Iolair). I would Hide Away on top of a warm Transformer In the Engine Room and Read
Shout outs to my inability to pronounce "C'baoth"! LOL Hey, when you read these things growing up with no pronunciation guide, you sort of have to make it up as you go. ;)
You put out the good content so you get to set the pronunciation. Great vids! Thank you
I didn’t know it was pronounced Sah-By-Oth until I was about 30. I read the books at like 19. Multiple times. I personally said “See-Baoth”
@@erikurizita6702 I'm literally just finding out by your comment lol read the books and the graphic novels multiple times, always thought it was how it's said in the video or similar, mind blown 🤷
i always said sah-baoth
@@chrismanaloe3507 that's how I always thought it was pronounced
The Thrawn Trilogy and Legends will always be my "Canon Event"
I think the thing that made Thrawn so compelling is that he strays from the typical, mystical villain of the star wars stories. He is Moriatry with no Sherlock, so everyone has to pull all then know together to defeat him. It makes him far more of a threat than someone who has power that you know the hero will eventually be able to attain and counter.
he is not written smart, he is written all-knowing. thats why i think he is TOTALLY overrated! saying "Species X cannot counter Manuever Y" does not make a character smart, it's just writing lore the way it makes him LOOK smart. what smart tactics did he exactly use, thats not just lore thats written to his advantage? how can Thrawn guess that someones voice is not actually theirs, but a droid with modulated voice?? with NO hints at all?? never ever did someone assume a voice is actually just a droid, only this one time when it's right!
I haven't read the post-Crucible comics, but from bits and pieces I gather that Thrawn is what galactic society eventually evolves into: a non-force-sensitive meritocracy. Subtle hints are littered throughout Legends, like Daala's push for control over the order, the failure of High Republic pacifism (haven't read yet!), going so far back, as the anti-Force shadow group in SwtOR's imperial agent story, and even the impending everyone-vs-jedi war hinted at at the end of Dawn of the Jedi.
The consumer-friendly level of depth characteristic to most Star Wars content leaves little doubt that this is a paraphrase for democracy over aristocracy. Always turns my stomach when someone in real life goes "unite behind me".
Seriously, most star wars villains end up ripping off Vader or Palpatine. I mean Malak, Kylo Ren, Grand Inquisitor are all clear do-overs of the fallen jedi story. Snoke, Tenebrae, all those Clone Palpatine stuff.
The best thing about Thrawn is that he was not force sensitive. He was the mastermind, but he wasn’t all powerful.
@@nocrtname What makes Thrawn so dangerous is that he looks for counters to his threats. He found a counter to protect himself and his troops from the force.
Interestingly enough, it was not made clear if Thrawn knew about this counter before the books, or learned of it.
He might have known for years, but did not act on it for concern that if Palpatine or Vader learned he had such resources, they would have destroyed him.
I will never understand why this wasn't the source material for the movie sequel trilogy.
Because of gay Disney is why
They'd ruin it anyway
@@ЯАга-я4л absolutely they would
@@charlesbas9427 i can confirm every lgbt person ive talked to hates the sequels. Fuck disney.
It should have been, but they had to give us the sea cow breast milk...
Thrawn was the best villain of the Star Wars mythos, IMHO. No supernatural powers, just his intelligence... Takes the New Republic to the very edge. Excellent trilogy that should have been the only sequel.
The channel “Darth Angelus’ has made an animated fan film series adaptation of heir to the empire, up to chapter 29, check it out, it’s incredible!
Yuuzhan vong were interesting. An Alien race that could not be affected by the force at all.
Clearly, this deserves to be head canon.
The 90s were a great decade for Star Wars literature and comics. Heir to the Empire followed by Dark Empire were what we should’ve gotten in the sequel trilogy.
Of course better not get into any of them while expect no plot holes concerning the time before the battle of yavin because obviously the prequels havent been made yet😅
Absolutely agree with you. Though I fully trust Disney for butchering any good franchise…
The channel "Darth Angelus" has almost animated all of HTTE, check it out, it's incredible, one of the best star wars fan film projects ever.
These books got me into Star Wars back in 93 or 94.
Found these around that time too while chillin at the library @13/14 years old. After I read "I, Jedi" it was a wrap, I was hooked.
Episode 7: Heir to the Empire
Episode 8: Dark Forces rising
Episode 9: The last command
Episode 10: Dark Empire
Episode 11: Dark Empire II
Episode 12: Empire's End
Episode 7: Heir to the Empire
Episode 8: Dark Forces rising
Episode 9: The last command
Episode 10: Spectre of the past
Episode 11: Vision of the future
@@Padtedesco I prefer Dark Empire cause it is kind of more cooler. Maybe it's the art style that helps. I mean Luke turned to the Dark Side and the solo children are in danger!
If only…what a waste…
R2-D2s parts in this would be so fun in a live action movie. Thrawn is such a interesting character. When he was in Rebels it was bittersweet , because he deserves a movie
get lost, that fraud is NOT thrawn.
This is SOOO awesome! I’d love to see you do the other two books in the trilogy!!
They're on my to-do list! Trying to find an audiobook copy of the second book before I do an episode, just to make sure I remember it all right, but I'll get on it soon, promise!
@@FullMotionVideos definitely earned my subscription after this response and how great the vid was!
When you mentioned the other two books it made me think of the duology also from Zahn called the hand of thrawn duology. Also a good couple of books if not a bit less than this trilogy
@@FullMotionVideos Guess it never happened? I read these books 20 years ago and loved them, this video made me want to read them again ❤
The true sequel.
You say that because you lost to him
@@Padtedesco he got lucky
"Thus is the fate of the enemies of the Empire." - Grand Admiral Thrawn, right after Zaarin blew himself up in Thrawn's trap
But seriously, love the avatar.
@@toddbarton1049 Zaarin gave Thrawn a real run for his money for several months with limited resources. He's one of the very few that can say they've bested Thrawn in battle not once, but twice and Thrawn couldn't keep Zaarin from crippling the Empire's advanced starfighter production. Zaarin even stole a scientist out from under Thrawn's nose.
Thanks!
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 True. It was so infuriating losing the TIE Defenders and being forced to use gunboats. That game was big part of my childhood, good times.
Clearly remember walking into Walden Books at the mall and seeing Heir to the Empire and having a complete flabbergast moment. This was wonderful and I'm so glad Zahn was kept in the look with the whole Asoka and Rebels thing. Too bad this wasn't the source material for the Sequel Trilogy of movies, which fell far short of what makes Star Wars great.
Same here! It was a Waldenbooks at the Boulevard Mall in Amherst NY where I first saw “Heir To The Empire”. I was stunned, then overjoyed. I was 18 years old at the time. I bought it immediately. Now, at age 50, I love these books just as much as I did in 1991.
there a fan version of hier ot the empire that almost complete here on youtube, it good to see fans giving us the star wars Disney wont
I loved reading theses books 📚. They would’ve been Awesome as movies
Or shows...👀 *Mando Season 2*
They was really good
@@darthzoon26 Wouldn't that mess with their structure too much?
Legends is awesome
There is an animated version of it. Fans have animated the first 11 chapters so far.
Thrawn is the Sun Tzu of Stars Wars.
Tim created one of the best characters in all of Star Wars. Grand Admiral THRAWN deserves more.✌️🇺🇸
Thrawn is a classic character and while the 1st Trilogy is masterful Zahn's further development of Thrawn's character and history reflects a more mature and complex telling. It too bad Disney's having declared the first trilogy "legends." Had that not been done, there might have been a bridge between the earlier work and the latter 2 trilogies because they deserve to be acknowledged and taken into account. The more recent trilogies represent the author's intent just as much as the 1st and the disconnect between Rebels Thrawn and these newer novels just seems to show they mean them to now be "legends." I have found myself trying to make sense of the Thrawn of Rebels and the Thrawn of Zahn's more recent Trilogies. What would account for the "good twin"/ "evil twin" effect. "Good twin" must be from another dimension! It isn't a POV difference. "Evil twin" Thrawn is not as intelligent as "good twin," nor as complex. The later novel, THRAWN, is the result of a more seasoned author. I wish there was not the break in continuity of character between REBELS and the novels, ALLIANCE and TREASON, that might have helped. Nonetheless, brilliant 1st trilogy, and if you have not read it, you are missing out. The recent 2 trilogies are very good but are more grounded and personal, more spy thriller with battles, intrigue, and strategy. More grit and less mythos.
How did this never make it to the movie screen?! this is a great story! and I bet would have blown the box office out of the water
They don't want to pay royalties to the book authors.
Ah, how I constantly lamented Thrawn's decision to keep C'baoth alive. That and several other mistakes he made. Still, fantastic books by my favorite sci-fi author.
I like the fact that the main villain is not a force user
To anyone who hasn’t read/listened to these books they are FANTASTIC! They are everything the Disney sequels weren’t! There are so many great moments of our beloved main characters just being themselves together! I found myself smiling ear to ear so many times and they develop in ways that don’t betray their characters
Well obviously Dark Force Rising next.
As to the characters this book introduced, I'd argue Mara Jade was far more important than Thrawn. She was vital to 40+ more novels. It's just that Disney's horrible Sequels threw Luke Skywalker under the bus so had no need for a character so important to his future journey.
I was thrilled to see Thrawn teased in Rebels, I would have lost my mind if Mara Jade was with Luke on Ahch-To.
For sure, Dark Force Rising is on the list to cover! Mentioned this in another comment, but I want to give it a proper re-read before making a video about it to give it the proper coverage it deserves, so might be a minute before I can get to it.
And fair point! I think I kind of consider Thrawn the bigger impact from this book simply because he is used in so much marketing. Which probably just comes from his super iconic look. (and same, I hope they incorporate Mara Jade into the new Canon in some way and give her the respect the character deserves)
This was one of those books you couldn't put down! It literally blew my mind. This book got me hooked on the Expanded Universe. Since then I've bought hundreds of Star Wars books. Both first edition Hardcover novels and the paperbacks. Prequel novels, up to the Return of the Jedi, and to this incredible story and beyond. Now the Disney books? CRAP!!!!! Just like their movies! Sorry but it's true.
Thrawn went from this truly menacing strategist that was seemingly unstoppable, and never left his chair. That is what made him so scary, his only weapon was his mind, and three star destroyers, and almost destroyed the Republic, something the Empire failed to do at it's height.
Then disney took over and made him into some generic cartoon supervillan with the gravitas of a sunday morning cartoon (because he literally became one)
The true Sequel Trilogy.
Make Dave Filoni President of LucasFilm #FireKathleenKennedy
@@Wedge-Antilles dave filoni is just as much of a hack as she is, even more so in most instances
The only one.
The disney trilogy is not a sequel as it fails to stay in the same universe.
@@jamestopoleski9255 It’s the grass-is-always-greener mentality.
@@takeshi2449 Thats just simply not true. Dave has his faults, but he is not even in the same league as KK.
Anyone else here after hearing “Heir to the Empire” and seeing Thrawn in the new Ashoka trailer?
I am 😂
me
Disney became busy pushing woke agenda such as female & diversity representation instead of writing a coherent and good story that's accurate to the lore. That's why now, the least they can do is nitpick characters, ideas and plots from the expanded universe. Such a waste.
I hate Disney's star wars !
Yes, me. I think they will just pick bits they want and leave the rest. Although, I did hear that Timothy Zahn was consulting on Ahsoka so as to get Thrawn right. We'll see I guess
@@patriciafenwick5846 The problem is that "all roads lead to the Sequels", which is a complete dead end.
(British) I'm dyslexic, I left school aged 15 in 1987, in 1995 I went to Create to work the summer season, I was renting a room with some Gordie Lads also working the season, one of the lads called Gary was reading this trilogy, being a first generation Star Wars fan I was frustrated at not being able to read the continuation of the sagas, But over the 8 months we lived in the villa Gary taught me how to read through these books, So aged 23 these 3 novels became the first books I read, Thank You Gary I'll always owe you a big debt of gratitude for helping me out,
And That's Why I Love This Story, They Better Keep It To Cannon! Woking This Saga Up Will Earn The Director A Smack In The Mouth At Any London Red Carpet He Attends, Because I'll Be In The Crowd Waiting For My Opportunity To Land One On Him Or Her!
So many amazing new characters in this trilogy. Thank you Disney for getting me to cut your stuff off and get into the vastly superior EU.
Moron.
It would have been so refreshing to see how this would’ve looked on the screen.
This should have been a film trilogy it was awesome I had the audiobooks.
These 3 books had much better storylines than the current direction.
This is still the best trilogy post the original trilogy. I swear Grand Admiral Thrawn Is the best villain of the series after Darth Sidous / Palpatine .
this is great! id love it if you did the other books in the trilogy, especially now that they might be diving into a new cannon version of this story with the next starwars shows! i really hope that mara and tallon can make it into new cannon (even if mara wont be able to become lukes wife now that his end game story has already been told). these were easily my favorite starwars novels growing up, and i have always held them equal to the original trillogy and far superior to the prequils and sequels alike. i love that aspects of these stories have become so ingrained into the universe that they are getting pulled into new cannon anyway!
Zahn didn't create Coruscant, he just named it. The city-planet capital of the Empire was in early drafts of RotJ and was detailed in the WEG D6 Star Wars RPGs that Zahn was using as reference material where it was named 'Imperial Planet' with the implication that it obviously wasn't named that before the Empire took over.
I will always follow the expanded universe as the true canon,
From a certain point of view
This is a really well-made video! Thanks for putting so much work into this!
The real ‘Episode VII’.
Always did love this trilogy, will you be covering the other two books as well? Also for more Star Wars lore i think looking into Jaina and Jacen Solo would be great! Particularly Jacen because his history as a character is so interesting and is probably the inspiration for Kylo Ren’s path as a Sith Lord in a way
I'd argue Kylo Ren has far more in common with Kyp Durron than Jacen Solo. All he really shares with Jacen is his heritage and having a force bond (but used in the opposite way). Kyp and Kylo nearly had identical looks (the only difference was eye color), personalities, obsession with Vaders helmet, unique lightsaber, blowing up a star system, and having the hots for the Rey/Jaina Solo character whom he was a decade older than.
Jonathan Ryan oh that’s true as well you’re right, Honestly a video on Kyp and that kind of similarities with kylo would be excellent
Yes, I'll get to the other two books in the Trilogy at some point! I want to give them both a proper re-read to be as thorough as possible, so it might be a minute though!
Oh man, proper explorations of Jacen and Jaina would take some TIME! I'm super down to do it, but that might have to be multiple-video investments haha
Can’t wait for both! The books are so worth the reread anyways so it’s always a treat I’m sure for you! True about Jaina and Jacen though, they have one of the biggest appearances in the legends series, would be a massive look haha. If anyone can do it it’s definitely you and I look forward to those hopefully one day and everything else ahead!
These were great books, great stories, the real sequel trilogy. Maybe a lot going on for film, but they should have tried to adapt them. But it was all about having to create new characters, so as to not have to pay licence fees for previous IP. Very short sighted really, as I imagine a successful sequel triogy would ultimately have netted them more $$$
It's looking like they're building up to some sort of adaptation of this Trilogy with the Disney+ shows, so I'm excited to see where that goes!
@@FullMotionVideos the ONLY way they can do the Thrawn Trilogy right is to make a series. Either live action or CGI. I season for each book.
Good stuff.. When will you do "Dark force rising" and "The last command"?
If the thrawn trilogy is the lost sequel trilogy we all really wanted, is there a lost episode 10.11&12
Fan craving more Star Wars legends
The Jedi Academy trilogy by Kevin J Anderson is well worth a read.
Your video was awesome sir! You didn't need to ask for a like or a subscription. I was fully intending on doing it. These books, the lore and the history that Timothy Zahn created as I said below, got me so into the expanded universe. These books became my "films", and I have read them all, and re-read them all multiple times. I've needed to go to Barnes & Noble and reacquire many of my paperbacks due to them being read so many times...lol. Especially this series and all of the Timothy Zahn books. I'm well over 300+ books from this Franchise. The Original creator's vision of just Star Wars, then The Empire Strikes Back, to Return of the Jedi. Then any and all of the ones before, during, and after the Prequels. However, of all of the books, comics, and stories, the Timothy Zahn books are the, in my opinion the best of them all. His take on the Star Wars universe was spot on perfect. The creation of Grand Admiral Thrawn was the most creative, unique, innovative, brutal, yet extremely elegant and accurate with his tactics. He had no issues with sacrificing some ships and men just to get a glimpse of the Commander's tactics, and then knowing who he was and where he came from he was able to deduce exactly how to destroy him. This type of attack was one that was never seen before in any of the Star Wars movies and it honestly was a powerful and brutal way of fighting. I apologize for babbling on, but I truly LOVE the Star Wars Universe, especially the universe before Disney. My opinion is that ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES Disney MADE was to ERASE AND DELETE the Expanded Universe and ERASE EVERY PIECE OF DATA, EVERY BOOK, EVERY GRAPHIC NOVEL, AND EVERY SINGLE CREATION FROM THE STAR WARS FRANCHISE!! That not only angered me and quite a few of the fans, but they erased so many incredibly well written stories! Stories that they could have utilized, but Disney DIDN'T WANT TO PAY ANYONE ROYALTIES!!?!! WTH?!?!? Thankfully Dave Filoni, George Lucas' Heir to the Empire was still there. And THANKFULLY he was able to get them to ease up on their arrogance. OR Disney saw that Kathleen Kennedy's "vision" was pathetically inept, idiotic, and it completely tried to destroy everything that George Lucas created! Look at the FIRST LINE in the Disney trilogy. The Farce Awakens, "This will begin to make things RIGHT!" Who ever said it was wrong to begin with? It wasn't bad until Kathleen Kennedy took over and implemented her Farce is Female agenda. It wasn't just that. There have been MANY MANY DIFFERENT AMAZING FEMALE Characters in Star Wars. From Princess Leia, her "Mom" Queen Amidala, Senator Mon Mothma, Mara Jade, and many of the Jedi in the Prequels were women. Shaak-Ti, Luminara Unduli, Barriss Offee, and again many others I can't remember, but my point is George Lucas NEVER EVER thought Star Wars was a Boy's Club. And again one of the STRONGEST characters he created was Princess👸Leia Organa. George Lucas should have NEVER sold Star Wars to Disney! They have literally destroyed everything that George Lucas created. And that is the biggest problem with Disney. Their ARROGANCE. For Kathleen Kennedy to think that she knew better than the Man who CREATED this Universe? For the Disney executives to think that THEY could make better movies than the man who again CREATED THIS VAST AND EXPANSIVE UNIVERSE? Well? Toys and games are at an ALL-TIME LOW! There are more Action Figures in landfills than there are in kids houses. Disney ➕ is, well it stinks. If it wasn't for the series and shows that Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau created, I wouldn't careless about Disney ➕! They took one of the most expansive, incredible, beautifully designed and populated franchises and they said ERASE IT!! WE CAN DO BETTER!! Hang on, 😄😁😆😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭🤣😅🤣🙂🤣😅😂😅😂😆🤣😅😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😆😂😅😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂 Sorry I was laughing about that last part. I have kept my classic📚📚books📚📚, and as I said I still read them, I still cherish them and I still consider them CANON! NO matter what Disney says. Those 📚books📚 have better stories, better characters, and better locations than ANYTHING they've created, with the exception of what Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni have done!
I dig this art. Thank you for doing such a fine job reading it.
Amazing work! Small request, could we start referring to it as "original canon" and not "legends?"
It's legends original cannon is the movies
It's been 2 years bud. This is gold! Where's the rest of the trilogy?! I came here for Duel of the Fates but this video got a sub. Need more of this please. Lol
God I sound like a RUclips commenter. This is terrible. But your video are great. Great voice, great script and great visual aides.
George Lucas did sell to Disney but mess up. I just hope he shouldn't sell to no one but he did. There is must be something to redo since I really A Force Awakening, The Last Jedi, and the Rise of Skywalker. Those stories don't make any sense to me at all when there is no politics, diplomatic, and tactical warfare. These three episodes are a show for kids. Every star wars fan is no kid and they hated it especially A Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker from the last 3 years, This caused everybody to break hearts about star wars films. The Truth About Star Wars is for all ages, not for kids only. Every fans demanded Lucasfilm to redo the sequel trilogy back to the heir of the empire such as episode I or VI.
Happy RUclips suggested to me today! Fitting after watching the Ahsoka Trailer earlier this week. Cheers!
This video is so well done. Thank you. I'm using it as a refresher as I took a break to read another book but I'm jumping back in
I'm glad to have peeped this clip. It put the bits and pieces of heir to the empire together for me.
Such a shame this couldn't just get a film adaptation instead of the disney films we got
(Also hi Furst, love your new channel!)
I think they've done some great things with the Disney films, but I agree, on the whole I think these books weren't given as much credence as they should have been when they soft-rebooted the universe :(
And thank you!! :)
Tiny chance it's still coming?
@@todaythebirds Nope. Star Wars is a dead franchise.
Looks like they're doing an heir to the empire adaptation of sorts under Feloni.
@@spaceghostcqc2137 Exactly, wasn't there an Ashoka trailer where she said "Thrawn's coming back ... as the HEIR TO THE EMPIRE!" Dave F knows exactly what he's doing, if you ask me.
the sequel we all need...
Disney had countless movies, cartoons and comics laid out for them.
Yes, some of the early books were a bit messy and contradictory, but they could pic what they wanted.
Ah yes, the comic version of Mara - memorable design, but books keep referring to sleeves xD
I love this comic design though, its so memorable and so 90's haha
This would make an awesome trilogy of movies. Could you imagine seeing Thrawn, or “Nomad City” with today’s tech?
Well we're getting at least one of them soon 🎉☺️
@@sunshineonawinterday I’m sure they’ll find someway to ruin it😞
Zahn's original Heir to the Empire is the only cannon for me.
Great video! Watched it twice. Just got a new sub. Keep up the good work. Now I'm off to watch the rest of your videos.
Just finished Rebels and I love that they build on everything that was awesome with the originals, expanded universe and prequels into something amazing for new generations. I really hope it works, got Disney+ just so can watch it HD without lag and I almost, almost want to install Old Republic again and just play it as a SP game, but so far i'm back to Kotor. Love Thrawn and that all the villains are competent and dangerous instead of jokes like in the sequels, the Rebels lose almost every battle but still win the war. Awesome writing and love Ahsoka so far too.
OH MY GOSH! I remember as a kid I had a Bioncle that came with a comic that had several different pages of this series and as soon as I saw one of those pages, I had a flashback to that time 🙃 goodness, what a trip. Sounds like a good story
Great video. Thank you so much.
The animated series of HEIR TO THE EMPIRE is still being written by a group of Star Wars and THRAWN TRILOGY enthusiasts call DarthAngelus on RUclips.
I’m going to get this on audio book. Actually interested in Star Wars again.
The books and comics ARE the canon, not what Disney has done, and you'll never talk me down from it.
this is about to go "mainstream" ☆ great video ☆
Legends Extended Universe will always be canon to me.
So much more compelling and exciting stores and characters for thirty years before the big mouse wipe all that away.
the sequel pales in comparison to even the thrawn trilogy.
This is the true ST. Disney’s ST is bad fan fiction.
This is an underrated channel
You got me,that was perfect so much better then what Disney is putting out ! Subbed ! Keep em coming !
this vid beeing sugested by RUclips after SW celebration & this story announcement beeing adapted in live action,well played ytube well played
Would love for you to cover the next two books in the Zhan Trilogy. I read all three decades ago, and it'd be useful to have reviews available comparable to this one. Thanks!
Thanks! I actually have book 2's script written, but it's 30 pages long and... that's a lot LOL This year hopefully!!
6:11 - You pronounce 'Kbaoth'. But the other guy that made this book into an animation series, say 'Sbaoth'. So which is right?
I learned after I produced this that it's pronounced, "suh-bow-th". That was my mistake! I had only ever read the characters name in the books/comics :)
@@FullMotionVideos my while life I've pronounced it see-bay-oath. It's gonna take a while to fix that hahaha
I never followed any of the legends content and although I’ve learned a bit about it second hand this is actually my first exposure to it.
I saw the original movie in theaters when I was 9 and I’ve always loved the franchise and it’s sad what Disney is doing to it but my suspicions have always been that this was the plan really all along the more I go deep down the rabbit hole
It's cultural subversion.
Great work. Thank you, I'm subscribed now
Jor-us Sa-Bai-Oth good illistration of the book, i've listened to nearly all the thrawn books by timmothy zahn while i am at work to help kill time and the entire series by him is amazing. but, what many are talking about "Heir to the Empire" is Princess leia from the Nogri. i strongly urge everyone to read or listen to the books about thrawn. and now that all of what timmothy wrote will be cannon, we will have alot of great star wars content that is only about the skywalker family, its a entire universe!
Coruscant was not a new idea. George Lucas already came up with this for Return of the Jedi, and it was called Had Abbadon. It just had to be scrapped because of financial restriction.
kinda wish these were adapted in the early nineties
That would have been impressive, since they were written in the Early 90s! But it would have been awesome either way
@@FullMotionVideos imagine if instead of an Original Trilogy, we had a Star Wars Original Saga (quentrilogy).
This is the best of Star Wars
The REAL canon
Making this tonight, thanks Boris.
In my opinion the only one that SHOULD be called the sequel trilogy
I never knew Thrawn from the old media. I only got into star wars when the new Clone Wars series came out. I liked it so much I went back and watched the original Clone Wars cartoon network series. Then Rebels. It was all so great.
Amazing set of Books!
A long time ago in a multiverse far far away…
God this would have been such a perfect compliment to the prequel trilogy too. It's all about how a democracy falls, this one would be how one comes together and protects itself. Would've been a great thematic bow. Instead? Palatine...again 🙄
In light of Thrawns return to the main galaxy per the end of Ahsoka, which is currently taking place around 9BBY, with a few tweaks in the story they could STILL make this trilogy into movies. Just a few details are required to be altered in order to fit into current canon.
Please give us a Mara Jade
incredible work
Thank you so much!
Favorite Rebels episode was the one with the Trade Federation remnants, so much needed closure. It brings tears to my eyes like the guy who cried over the sequel trailer lol.
It is a shame that Lucas decided to do a prequel trilogy instead of continuing on where RotJ left off. He probably would've made a sequel trilogy had it not been for the negative reactions he received from the prequel films. Most of the people who dislike the Disney Star Wars content seem to have forgotten that the negativity he received by the fanbase in the wake of the prequels affected him on a personal level. It was partly the reason why he stopped making Star Wars movies and eventually approached Disney to sell the franchise.
Fantastic work thanks very much
Great video!
He named the planet Coruscant , but it was already created by Lucas, it was just named with the placeholder “Imperial Planet “. He used a lot of info from the rpg source books, instead of meeting with Lucas constantly.
Wow dude great video. Hope you do the whole trilogy. 👍
Currently re-reading Dark Force Rising so I can give it this treatment ;) Thrawn getting namedropped in the Mandalorian made me want to get back into these!
Perfect analysis
Great stuff ty!
Remember when writers cared about coherent stories with a passion for Star Wars? Pepridge Farms remembers.
Thanks. Gr8 work.
THIS IS SO AMAZING
Thank you so much!! :)
Bout to finish up Heir to the Empire and it’s tragic that it didn’t get made into Episode 8
"Star Wars: Heir of the Empire" really should have become the first film of the sequel trilogy, but a certain executive at Disney/Lucasfilm refused to accept any of the Star Wars Legends aka Star Wars Expanded Universe. This is a great opportunity that simply wasn't taken yet it should have been after all.
Ideology over story, and common sense…
I Read These Books On a 3 week Trip (on Night Shift) on A Supply Ship in the North Sea (ESV Iolair). I would Hide Away on top of a warm Transformer In the Engine Room and Read
Are you going to do videos like this for Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command.