Agreed. Enjoyed this discussion. My only concern is Tommy’s choice of the Bronco. After you watch the safety videos of how they crush from a collision…. I don’t think many will buy them once they see that.
Thank you for you true expertise ! I look forward to your Off Road testing I consider you the absolute best at your job! Love the fact that you are a Father and Son team too!
Love my 2018 4runner TRD PRO but the new 4Runner has the space sneaker look versus the Land Cruiser has clean retro/modern looks. My next is the LC 1958 with a lift and 33"s for me.
Don’t buy a 4xe Grand Cherokee. My sisters has been in the shop in Oklahoma for 7 months with several others and the engineers can’t fire out how to get it to start. There is some kind of communication problem with the hybrid modules that won’t allow the engine to start. The scary part is that Jeep won’t buy it back. She bought a 70k suv that she can’t drive and jeeps answer was they would give her a small amount of money and tow it to her house. Still not running! All of this and the bank doesn’t care, they want the payments. The trade value has crashed because this is so common according to the service writer.
@@michaels7984 she has filed but Stellantis is doing everything they can to delay hoping she won’t be able to keep paying for a lemon and accept some reduced offer or just go away. The golden rule is the hallmark of American courts those with the gold make the rules.
@@overbuiltautomotive1299 they did lawyer up and met the requirements for OK lemon law. Even the lawyers are facing FCA dragging their feet and trying to wait her out.
Very interesting to listen Jeep fanboys bashing Toyota. Meanwhile, Jeep is about to go out of business and Toyota is number one manufacturer in the world, and here we are sitting and wondering if Toyota knows what they’re doing😊 Thanks for videos TFL team and keep them coming, I like most of them👍🏻
What’s this with reliability. People are allready saying how reliable these will be with no idea. Recent Toyotas have proven to be no more reliable than anyone else as they modernize. Also Toyotas owners tend to take way better care of their vehicles. People have been thoroughly brainwashed from the past.
Payloads are quite different with the Landcruiser 1958 having much more payload 1100 lbs and 4 runner TRD Pro having 895 lbs. If that’s worthy of a fair comparison.
Great chat. Still have a bit of a challenge with the Colorado rock crawling off road over indexing. Let’s face it, basically 100% of these vehicle will be used only as commuters. No one, really, goes off road any more than it takes to drive to the camp site or ski hill. Broncos and Wranglers shouldn’t even be in the same discussion with the Land Cruiser as they fit a completely different use case although pretty much all are bought as commuters. Where the LC and 4Runner have always been different from each other is in the areas you can’t see. Axle and differential robustness, plastic part quality under the hood, etc. I’ve owned Land Cruisers since 1987 and every one of them was built to a different standard than the similar pickup/Tacoma/4Runner. You only really notice the difference after a 100k miles of hard use. Short tests will never shine the right light on a Land Cruiser. And situations that may damage a 4Runner will most likely not even phase a Land Cruiser. To me those differences are worth paying the prices for. That 80 series you have? Even at its age you could drive that from Denver to Patagonia with no worries.
define off road. Fire roads loaded down with mountain bikes? Muddy trails loaded down with my offroad camper and fly fishing or hunting gear? Yep. Rock crawling? Nope. For new vehicles, that in my mind is for modified Wrangler and Broncos. Even when driving the backcountry in Utah, i want to get some where. And back. That is what the Land Cruiser line has always been built for. Over the last 45 years I’ve driven Land Cruisers from the Arctic to South America. Never once needed 35” tires or a front locker. Never needed doors or roof panels that come off. But i did need absolute reliability, roof capacity, dust sealing, payload, and comfort for the long drive. Land Cruiser fits that
Agree, though I appreciate the added discussion of off-road worthiness here compared to other channels hands down. Would love to see some breakdown on the parts comparison in suspension and drivetrain with the '25 4Runner. I -hope- that the LC is different but have a feeling it's the same.
This was a great breakdown of not only the impressions of the Landcruiser but all of the comparative options in its category. Excellent job!!! Thanks, guys. Have a good weekend. P.S. Every time I see a manufacturer's test course, I laugh. I think of where you guys put these vehicles compared to how they attempt to show them off. Then I think of my JKU w/ 3½" lift on 35s" rolling through it while I drink a cup of coffee. 😂😅😊
Regardless of what you buy, you’re always going to replace the tires, tune the suspension, and add sliders. For extra credit, you’re going to add metal bumpers, winch, and light kit.
The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392, Ford Bronco Raptor, Lexus GX 550 Overtrail, Toyota Landcruiser First Edition, and the new Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro are all awesome vehicles.
I’ve got an ‘84 Land Cruiser and a deposit on the ‘24 Land Cruiser. The color options and interior feel pushed me away from the 1958 and up to the Land Cruiser trim. Looking forward to mildly good fuel economy to justify it as a daily driver. I might even have a second set of wheels/33” tires for when I do go on more adventurous off road trips but having a more efficient set for my normal commuting.
I don't understand why all these people are saying the new Land Cruiser is smaller than the last 200 series. They are almost identical in their physical dimensions. It may drive "smaller" (that should be a good thing) but it isn't a smaller vehicle.
I think the actual body width is a good bit narrower than the 200 series. Looking at interior dimensions like shoulder room, hip room (and even head and leg room), and it's apparent this new US 250 is narrower in the cabin, though pushes out the fender arches for a wider track width.
In terms of overall width then yes. The new LC250 has the same width as the LC300, but slightly shorter in overall length (25mm difference) and lower body (35mm difference)
It sounds like for off-road that the 2025 4Runner will be the choice for the higher ground clearance alone. I don’t like to monkey with a vehicle in stock form that costs north of 50k
Have been thinking about this - the difference is only a half inch? If you put the same tires on both vehicles, it'd be nearly the same. Though the approach/departure is better on the 4Runner slightly
Great episode and the comparisons are awesome. Way better than other channels that just say everything is 'great' 'good' 'nice!'. I'm going LC premium. Compared to GX - far better fuel economy, easier to lift/modify without E-KDSS, more physical controls vs touch screen based, better aftermarket support in the future, no need for bigger towing capacity. Compared to new 4Runner - has full time 4wd (this alone is the deal maker), more headroom, better exterior and interior styling, less off road goodies that can/could be added to the LC.
I think the Land Cruiser also gives you a more on road and more high tech power train in terms of the full time 4x4 system. In the 4Runner there are very few trims that can be configured to have the full time system and of them I don’t believe any of them also have the rear locker. It’s a big difference in a lot of ways because you kind of get the best of both worlds. I do think it was a massive mistake to not offer the third row however
I think the price structure makes sense if you look at 4R, LC and GX more like different trim levels of the same platform with prices ranging from $44-85+. The crossover is going to be the mid 60s where you can get max off road capability in the Trailhunter/TRD Pro 4R, Max on road luxury with a GX premium, and the LC LC as a middle ground between on and off road capability.
Toyota and Lexus should offer more off road options (lift kits, wheels, tires, steel bumpers, light bars, skid plates, etc.) from the factory and dealership installs.
Waiting for my GX 550 overtrail + to arrive in June . Looking forward to some beach camping, the ability to tow a decent size trailer for when I’m with my glamping style wife .
In my opinion this vehicle is the outcome of people that requested they bring back the FJ Cruiser. It has almost all the same features + more and added space. It was a way to bring back both vehicles. Their game plan hasn't changed much since the previous 4Runner, GX460/470, and FJ Cruiser were already sharing the platform with the previous Landcruiser Prado as well. I am definitely going to look into the landcruiser once my used WK2 ecodiesel gives out.
I'm taking the GX. On a long road trip I want comfort and the ability to pass slow traffic. I know my tundra I have no second thoughts about passing on a 2 lane. My canyon AT4X i need to make sure there is no on coming traffic at all. The difference between 2 cylinders and another turbo
@mnyhomie it's the high output but a 4 cylinder doesn't perform like a 6. Also because the bigger tires on the AT4X max speed is set at 99. Seems ever time I pass a Honda, they want to try and race instead of letting you pass.
For me, given that there will be no 6MT available in any of the 4Runners or LC250, I would have to go for the LC250. For me it comes down to seating position; having sat in the new Tacoma it is still a lowish seating position albeit much improved compared to the previous Tacoma generation. Same engine, so I forecast a comparable MPG on both 4Runner and LC250. Same towing. And since the 4Runner Trailhunter trim is the one I like on the 4Runner side, we are already in the pricing realm of the LC250 LandCruiser trim. BTW, I 100% agree with you on the poor color choices for the base LC250!
Roman, what happened to the long term review of the Grenadier? You all were so excited about it and made a small series about it. I am one of the Grenadier patreons that followed along. Now, it's just gone! Could you explain why you made or had to make the decision to let it go? I enjoy your content Roman - thank you...
We moved it on because we felt we had done everything we could with it. Unfortunately the views on the videos also tanked which means it’s hard to justify holding onto it. Perhaps we could feature you and your truck after you’ve had it a year😉
@@TFLtalk Makes total sense, perhaps viewer ship of such a new vehicle is a year early. It may be something to pick up again in a year or so. Yes, If I'm in your neck of the woods I would defiantly participate in a "Love or Hate my ride" episode. Thank you for the follow-up (I was one of those watching). Keep up the good work>
Having experienced this the 55,000 after the shipping fees and then random add-ons that every dealer is putting on them even if you get him an MSRP they're usually about 60
Lower demand, allows them to ramp up production and flush out initial manufacturing issues, and more attention will be given to these first models than the rest, so the higher price helps pay for that on the manufacturing side.
Roman and Tommy, The caption to introduce the video says "Land Cruiser vs The World." For decades the 'world' has been offered the Prado as their mid-size Land Cruiser while the USA and Canada have had the 4Runner fulfilling the same role. Finally seeing the two side by side has really underlined an anomaly, why have the people of Kuala Lumpur and Qatar been getting a 4X4 with far more generous headroom than the Plus-Sized people of Kansas and Calgary? The latest versions just continue this contradiction with the Land Cruiser 250 offering much more space for big-boned North Americans to 'park' their baseball caps than the 4Runner. At 6'2", I know which model is top of my wish/daydream list. The next shoe to drop in Toyota's 4X4 lineup is the compact Land Cruiser FJ. Its debut is expected within a few months. We just don't know if it is coming here or not. 🤔
@@adamweber1545 reason there is no 300 series here because the sequoia and LX600 already here. Stop blaming the Damm government and stop talking politics in a car video.🤫
@@adamweber1545 shut up complaining expert. 300 series is not here because the sequoia and LX600 are already here . people like you always complaining about blaming the government. how knowing basic commonsense
The only reason the Heritage Edition sold well and above MSRP was due to the spectre of discontinuation in 2021. 2020 HEs were easy and cheap to come by.. But when Toyota filled everyone but saying it was done... Demand went up as did prices.
LandCruiser equals road and overlanding, Bronco equals off road rock climbing. Two totally differnt vehicles. The upcoming 4Runner looks great as well as the Landcruiser/GX and if I was flush with money I would get the GX and have a Bronco for rock climbing. I have a RAV4 Limited Hybrid and it is the noiest vehicle I have ever owned so I hope the sound levels in the trucks discussd have better sound proofing.
100% agree with Tommy on the fact that for 57k I expect a nicer interior. I’ll be holding out for the new 4runner as will the majority of normal folks. I don’t even know who the 1958 appeals to tbh.
At this point LC doesn’t need to do much because the competition is so lousy. If they can keep mark ups to a minimum they have a winner based off reliability alone even though it’s a brand new vehicle. The Wrangler especially is hot trash
Roman: I don’t care about the other world’s prado, the new Land Cruiser is the prado without the prado name😂😂😂 Don’t fool yourself, it’s a prado without diesel engine
no toyota prado anywhere in the world , there are toyota land cruiser prado which is originated from luxury version of toyota land cruiser 70 series wagon. There were many version of toyota land cruiser in the world, they were all called land cruiser.
Can't wait for TFL🤙🏽 guys do the drive on the 4runner especially the trailhunter for me 4runner the way to gooo💯... just feel like @Toyotausa didn't do enough for the LC like suspension and front locker😪 shoud of came with the Twin turbo V6🤤🤤😢... 4runner getting the legendary rear window and the side rear window take it back to the classic🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
Too many options and everything going “off road”. I’d love to take a poll of Jeep and Bronco owners and see how often or how many times they actually go off road. I went with the Pathfinder Rock Creek edition. I know it’s not in the same class but I’m also realistic with myself. Am I doing hardcore off-roading? No. Do I go camping and dirt roads, yes. Do I commute to work on a concrete jungle? Yes! And I got a regular V6 for $39,000. The SUV and Truck market is insane and has been since Covid and nothing had adjusted it’s just getting worse and my salary hasn’t gone up to match that market 😂
is there a reason you would want to have the 2 wheel drive of the 4-Runner vs. the full time 4 wheel drive of the Land Cruiser? I think the 4-Runner has more than enough off road capability but am thinking I might prefer to avoid the 2 wheel drive. (why: personal history, in a very very sudden bad weather situation in a prior 4-Runner - slid into some damage that I think would have been avoided if the vehicle was all time 4 wheel drive) Having an all time 4 wheel drive seems like a best option due to personal negative experience. Thinking the Land Cruiser is the choice other than of course the price difference and they hybrid power. *would prefer not to have the worry of hybrid battery future costs but seems like no choice there... Like the Land Rover Defender as well but quite concerned about the quality/dependability and costs with repairs long term. *occasional off road and some high altitude mountain roads, etc but primarily fair weather general road usage.
Love the channel. Can anyone and I mean anyone, please give me the boot dimensions for the iForce 2.4L hybrid, length, width and height? No where is that information available. You guys in States have the model, we have zero information here in Europe. Thank you.
The grand Cherokee trailhawk seems like a great option until you get inside. The interior looks like muppet fur…. Which leaves you wanting for the interior of the summit or summit reserve interior.. did not have the same experience with the plus in hybrid. Drives quite well on road, and the 30 mile real range with regen braking on battery is quite nice…. But having owned defender / wrangler 392 / summit 4xe and bronco w/ squatch…. Defender is BY FAR the best to daily and for normal non rock crawl off road…. New Defender SE with V8 is the king…
Hybrid model power: only exists while battery is full charged. After that you revert to gas engine power. That is what you need to test drive. That is the power level you will be at most of the time.
For the shopping mall factor, since the land cruiser doesn't have a third row now, would it be fair to say 4Runner and Pilot are the only real JDM options for "I have a mile long dirt road" and "I need to take four kids with me"?
Seems I'm in the minority but I'm my opinion the regular headlights and painted front end looks 100% better. The round headlights and black plastic front end stand econobox to me. And for that kind of money I shouldn't feel like that. And I'm glad to hear journalist saying that 50k is a lot of money. For Soo long I felt I was poverty strickin watching videos when it seemed no one batted an eye at these wallet scorching car prices
The hybrid drivetrain on the LC results in the bed being higher. Don’t like that or the cheap interior. Both the 4Runner and GX are more off road worthy. But I like the motor in the GX more, so for me GX Overtrail.
The idea of removable tops and doors is great until you realize you have to deal with noise and squeaks all year round whilst utilizing the actual features infrequently.
@@sunchaser999 Exactly. Ford compromised the whole vehicle just to please less than 10% of buyers. Yes, over 90% of Bronco buyers dont want a convertible top or even a removable top.
This is a horrible comment. There are tons of jeeps that are strictly mall crawlers. Bronco kills Jeep on and off road, and the tops have been reengineered and improved. What was your experience with your Bronco and what trim did you have?
America's "Land Cruiser" IS the Prado. It is the diet Coke of a sugar-free lemon LaCroix Fanta of a Land Cruiser. So talk all you want about the "Land Cruiser" 250 Prado because that's what we're getting in this "Land Cruiser". And for the record, it's no competitor to the Wrangler or the Bronco. Not even close.
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I agree iam waiting until the Toyota dealers have enough stock on hand to buy one..
GREAT show gentlemen In 2 yrs my plans: 2024-2025 Land Cruiser (should be proven by then LC200 if new ver isn’t proven out 2021-2024 4Runner TRD Pro cuz I know it’s proven One of these should take me into retirement
Sway bar disconnect doesn't come with the 1958 model. Does it have room for 33s or 35s without a lift? As a long term Element owner, I like the boxy design of the Land Cruiser over the curvy 4 Runner. Me, Land Rover lack of quality makes it a non-starter, ditto Jeep.Having a career in manufacturing (not cars), the accountants would cheap stuff out using the term "value engineering". The "perfect" choice for me is something that can tow my small camper to Alaska, set the trailer up in Fairbanks, then head up the Dawson to Deadhorse, and over to top of the world road. Definitely RIGHT on color choice. C'mon Toyota, put some fun colors! Styling wise, Toyota nailed it with the LC 1958. Lexus grills are hideous.
The off road top tier. The better the off road capability the worse the road handling; Jeep Bronco FJ 4Runner Land Cruiser Defender Luxury; all good on road Rivian G Wagon Lexus GX Grand Cherokee
I hate hearing journalists complain about soft material in anything that will be used off road or by a family. Heavy forbidden, we like something easy to maintain and keep clean. When they talk money, you're paying for the name? The hybrid system? The locker. Go get a Lexus if you're after that soft stuff.
Well the reason the new LC has not so premium materials, it’s bc it is what the new 4 Runner should have been. Same vehicle with a 4 Runner SR5, you would not find it odd. Since 2003 the 4 Runner was Prado based, what this vehicle is. The new 4 Runner is just a Tacoma with a cab. Just compare the weight of the doors and tell us. Toyota just took the Prado and slapped $15k and a LC badge
Not sure why you guys repeating that it is cheaper. Majority crowd looking for LC will go for mid trim which is going to cost 70K. Again comparing to previous gen does not make sense, as that one was larger with V8. This one runs on 4 cyclinder and cheaper NI battery. In terms of manufacturing cost, this is lot cheaper to make. Also LC with not so good offroad tire in this trim as well. So 70K for Toyota is not cheap.
Slapping a Land Cruiser badge on a vehicle doesn't make it any better or worse than any other Toyota model with the same parts that's built in Japan. As I understand it, both the LC and 4Runner are built in the same Tahara plant... by the same people... with the same key mechanical parts. From a reliability, durability, longevity point of view they should both last just as long as each other. I just can't see the LC being more reliable or tougher. For me I'm leaning toward the non-hybrid options so it would be between the 4Runner or GX550 and that comes down to use-case and price at the time I'll be in the market.
A few thoughts… First, Roman can be disappointed with Toyota’s promo course, but 90% of owners will NEVER come anywhere close to driving anything like that course, let’s be honest. Second, the pricing on these are insane, maybe one of the biggest examples of the current “scamflation” plaguing the US market. $55k for a 1958 which is essentially a 4Runner with a different exterior and the interior of a 1987 Corolla is just kinda ridiculous. A dealer here in the Twin Cities is listing a First Edition at $82k, so much for “cheaper” or “more affordable”.
I dont think theres any need to apologize for calling it like it is.... with Toyota picking ( and building ) courses that it KNOWS wont have any issues getting through. Its the cheap & easy way out... We all Know it.... as do many other manufacturers whom do the same. God forbid their products should Fail in front of the whole world.... Hats off to Jeep who puts their money where their mouth is.
Great episode guys, love your insights into these vehicles!!
Agreed. Enjoyed this discussion. My only concern is Tommy’s choice of the Bronco. After you watch the safety videos of how they crush from a collision…. I don’t think many will buy them once they see that.
Roman talks too much.
Thank you for you true expertise ! I look forward to your Off Road testing I consider you the absolute best at your job! Love the fact that you are a Father and Son team too!
Our pleasure!
Looks like Tommy just rolled out of bed.
Love my 2018 4runner TRD PRO but the new 4Runner has the space sneaker look versus the Land Cruiser has clean retro/modern looks. My next is the LC 1958 with a lift and 33"s for me.
Don’t buy a 4xe Grand Cherokee. My sisters has been in the shop in Oklahoma for 7 months with several others and the engineers can’t fire out how to get it to start. There is some kind of communication problem with the hybrid modules that won’t allow the engine to start.
The scary part is that Jeep won’t buy it back. She bought a 70k suv that she can’t drive and jeeps answer was they would give her a small amount of money and tow it to her house. Still not running! All of this and the bank doesn’t care, they want the payments. The trade value has crashed because this is so common according to the service writer.
If it was purchased new, she needs to check out the lemon laws for her state.
@@michaels7984 she has filed but Stellantis is doing everything they can to delay hoping she won’t be able to keep paying for a lemon and accept some reduced offer or just go away. The golden rule is the hallmark of American courts those with the gold make the rules.
yes bank needs payed layer up and make the m buy it back and then buy a good used older truck like a 4 runner or xterra
@@overbuiltautomotive1299 they did lawyer up and met the requirements for OK lemon law. Even the lawyers are facing FCA dragging their feet and trying to wait her out.
Let it get repo’d stop making the payments😂😂😂
Bronco Offrodeo in Texas course was pretty awesome, I was actually surprised they made it as tough as they did.
The LC’s fuel economy is a big reason to chose over the GX.
Also the 2400w onboard inverter.
Not sure about premium fuel requirements
@@marktanner9543 OM states 87+ for the LC and 91+ for the GX.
@marktanner9543 most ppl run 87 in them and its just fine.
I don't care about fuel economy, GX V6 twin turbo is unbeatable
Very interesting to listen Jeep fanboys bashing Toyota. Meanwhile, Jeep is about to go out of business and Toyota is number one manufacturer in the world, and here we are sitting and wondering if Toyota knows what they’re doing😊
Thanks for videos TFL team and keep them coming, I like most of them👍🏻
There’s a reason why Land Cruiser and 4Runner are 10% LOWER in resale value vs the Rubicons….it’s called off-road reliability. Google it!
Jeep won't go out of business. Stellantis will spin it off and sell it first. It's one of their most profitable brands...
Toyota/Lexus is killing it and running the game for off roading. Luxury, Reliability, Capability and Quality.
Agree. Get ready for the bronco/jeep guys to attack your comment.
How did you arrive at that?
What’s this with reliability. People are allready saying how reliable these will be with no idea. Recent Toyotas have proven to be no more reliable than anyone else as they modernize. Also Toyotas owners tend to take way better care of their vehicles. People have been thoroughly brainwashed from the past.
They certainly have provided lots of choices. The rest remain to be seen. It’s an exciting time for Toyota folks for sure.
lot of fun new cars
“You know how sometimes you have a car that just feels right?” Yes I do, my fifth gen 4runner.
Payloads are quite different with the Landcruiser 1958 having much more payload 1100 lbs and 4 runner TRD Pro having 895 lbs. If that’s worthy of a fair comparison.
Great chat. Still have a bit of a challenge with the Colorado rock crawling off road over indexing. Let’s face it, basically 100% of these vehicle will be used only as commuters. No one, really, goes off road any more than it takes to drive to the camp site or ski hill. Broncos and Wranglers shouldn’t even be in the same discussion with the Land Cruiser as they fit a completely different use case although pretty much all are bought as commuters.
Where the LC and 4Runner have always been different from each other is in the areas you can’t see. Axle and differential robustness, plastic part quality under the hood, etc. I’ve owned Land Cruisers since 1987 and every one of them was built to a different standard than the similar pickup/Tacoma/4Runner. You only really notice the difference after a 100k miles of hard use. Short tests will never shine the right light on a Land Cruiser. And situations that may damage a 4Runner will most likely not even phase a Land Cruiser. To me those differences are worth paying the prices for.
That 80 series you have? Even at its age you could drive that from Denver to Patagonia with no worries.
You don’t go off road?
define off road. Fire roads loaded down with mountain bikes? Muddy trails loaded down with my offroad camper and fly fishing or hunting gear? Yep.
Rock crawling? Nope. For new vehicles, that in my mind is for modified Wrangler and Broncos. Even when driving the backcountry in Utah, i want to get some where. And back. That is what the Land Cruiser line has always been built for.
Over the last 45 years I’ve driven Land Cruisers from the Arctic to South America. Never once needed 35” tires or a front locker. Never needed doors or roof panels that come off. But i did need absolute reliability, roof capacity, dust sealing, payload, and comfort for the long drive. Land Cruiser fits that
@@stonepa If basically 100% don’t go off road, you basically don’t go off road. You speak for basically 100% of people you’ll never know?
Huh?
Agree, though I appreciate the added discussion of off-road worthiness here compared to other channels hands down. Would love to see some breakdown on the parts comparison in suspension and drivetrain with the '25 4Runner. I -hope- that the LC is different but have a feeling it's the same.
This was a great breakdown of not only the impressions of the Landcruiser but all of the comparative options in its category. Excellent job!!!
Thanks, guys. Have a good weekend.
P.S. Every time I see a manufacturer's test course, I laugh. I think of where you guys put these vehicles compared to how they attempt to show them off. Then I think of my JKU w/ 3½" lift on 35s" rolling through it while I drink a cup of coffee. 😂😅😊
I want an on-road car that is capable off-road so this is perfect
That’s how 99% of people use them. I’d never daily drive a wrangler.
It won't off road though. Designed to break if you stress it.
Way to go Roman…keeping it real. I don’t always agree with you but kudos today for sure.
Great episode guys
You guys give the most candid reviews. Really like the channel. Great job
Regardless of what you buy, you’re always going to replace the tires, tune the suspension, and add sliders. For extra credit, you’re going to add metal bumpers, winch, and light kit.
The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392, Ford Bronco Raptor, Lexus GX 550 Overtrail, Toyota Landcruiser First Edition, and the new Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro are all awesome vehicles.
I’ve got an ‘84 Land Cruiser and a deposit on the ‘24 Land Cruiser. The color options and interior feel pushed me away from the 1958 and up to the Land Cruiser trim. Looking forward to mildly good fuel economy to justify it as a daily driver. I might even have a second set of wheels/33” tires for when I do go on more adventurous off road trips but having a more efficient set for my normal commuting.
I don't understand why all these people are saying the new Land Cruiser is smaller than the last 200 series. They are almost identical in their physical dimensions. It may drive "smaller" (that should be a good thing) but it isn't a smaller vehicle.
Agree.
I think the actual body width is a good bit narrower than the 200 series. Looking at interior dimensions like shoulder room, hip room (and even head and leg room), and it's apparent this new US 250 is narrower in the cabin, though pushes out the fender arches for a wider track width.
The new LC250 is much smaller then the 200 series inside and esp suspention componet sizes
In terms of overall width then yes.
The new LC250 has the same width as the LC300, but slightly shorter in overall length (25mm difference) and lower body (35mm difference)
The new LC is 1,000 pounds lighter and has more torque.
Jeep and Ford do an excellent job offering off road options and accessories.
It sounds like for off-road that the 2025 4Runner will be the choice for the higher ground clearance alone. I don’t like to monkey with a vehicle in stock form that costs north of 50k
Have been thinking about this - the difference is only a half inch? If you put the same tires on both vehicles, it'd be nearly the same. Though the approach/departure is better on the 4Runner slightly
4Runner will be in the 50ks too
Great episode and the comparisons are awesome. Way better than other channels that just say everything is 'great' 'good' 'nice!'. I'm going LC premium. Compared to GX - far better fuel economy, easier to lift/modify without E-KDSS, more physical controls vs touch screen based, better aftermarket support in the future, no need for bigger towing capacity. Compared to new 4Runner - has full time 4wd (this alone is the deal maker), more headroom, better exterior and interior styling, less off road goodies that can/could be added to the LC.
I think the Land Cruiser also gives you a more on road and more high tech power train in terms of the full time 4x4 system. In the 4Runner there are very few trims that can be configured to have the full time system and of them I don’t believe any of them also have the rear locker. It’s a big difference in a lot of ways because you kind of get the best of both worlds. I do think it was a massive mistake to not offer the third row however
Loved the GX over trail. And agree with your assessment
I think the price structure makes sense if you look at 4R, LC and GX more like different trim levels of the same platform with prices ranging from $44-85+.
The crossover is going to be the mid 60s where you can get max off road capability in the Trailhunter/TRD Pro 4R, Max on road luxury with a GX premium, and the LC LC as a middle ground between on and off road capability.
Toyota and Lexus should offer more off road options (lift kits, wheels, tires, steel bumpers, light bars, skid plates, etc.) from the factory and dealership installs.
Waiting for my GX 550 overtrail + to arrive in June . Looking forward to some beach camping, the ability to tow a decent size trailer for when I’m with my glamping style wife .
If money was no object, even if it cost millions(LOL) what would you pick Roman !?! Thank you!
He'd pick the G-Wagon
In my opinion this vehicle is the outcome of people that requested they bring back the FJ Cruiser. It has almost all the same features + more and added space. It was a way to bring back both vehicles. Their game plan hasn't changed much since the previous 4Runner, GX460/470, and FJ Cruiser were already sharing the platform with the previous Landcruiser Prado as well. I am definitely going to look into the landcruiser once my used WK2 ecodiesel gives out.
Said it before but I agree with Tommy. The 1958 should have some more nice features for 55+
I'm taking the GX. On a long road trip I want comfort and the ability to pass slow traffic. I know my tundra I have no second thoughts about passing on a 2 lane. My canyon AT4X i need to make sure there is no on coming traffic at all. The difference between 2 cylinders and another turbo
The At4x is the highest output tune of that engine too correct?
@mnyhomie it's the high output but a 4 cylinder doesn't perform like a 6. Also because the bigger tires on the AT4X max speed is set at 99. Seems ever time I pass a Honda, they want to try and race instead of letting you pass.
More expensive doesn’t mean more comfortable my junky beater Ridgeline is comfier than any Lexus
@@RN-fx3zl is it unibody "car" vs body on frame though? Or what type of Lexus
@RN-fx3zl I used to have an RX 450H. It was super comfy because it was unibody like your Ridgeline. Body on frame is never as comfy...
Loved your review. 100% agree about the color options. I like the blue a lot but we already have an Area 51 Bronco. No other good choices.
Love the crosseed arms. Relax. Good God.
GX 550 Overtrail all day every day over the LC and 4Runner
But then everyone thinks you’re a stuck up ass.
I think you need to compare the price to others in the same category with similar features.
They are, as the prices overlap each other.
It also bottomed out when throttle house hit that soft sand and bashed in the radiator.
For me, given that there will be no 6MT available in any of the 4Runners or LC250, I would have to go for the LC250. For me it comes down to seating position; having sat in the new Tacoma it is still a lowish seating position albeit much improved compared to the previous Tacoma generation. Same engine, so I forecast a comparable MPG on both 4Runner and LC250. Same towing. And since the 4Runner Trailhunter trim is the one I like on the 4Runner side, we are already in the pricing realm of the LC250 LandCruiser trim. BTW, I 100% agree with you on the poor color choices for the base LC250!
Roman, what happened to the long term review of the Grenadier? You all were so excited about it and made a small series about it. I am one of the Grenadier patreons that followed along. Now, it's just gone! Could you explain why you made or had to make the decision to let it go? I enjoy your content Roman - thank you...
We moved it on because we felt we had done everything we could with it. Unfortunately the views on the videos also tanked which means it’s hard to justify holding onto it. Perhaps we could feature you and your truck after you’ve had it a year😉
@@TFLtalk Makes total sense, perhaps viewer ship of such a new vehicle is a year early. It may be something to pick up again in a year or so. Yes, If I'm in your neck of the woods I would defiantly participate in a "Love or Hate my ride" episode. Thank you for the follow-up (I was one of those watching). Keep up the good work>
The 2024 wrangler 392 arguably has the best road manners of any wrangler ever. Easily a daily driver.
Having experienced this the 55,000 after the shipping fees and then random add-ons that every dealer is putting on them even if you get him an MSRP they're usually about 60
That is the point with the LC. Meant to be customized 👍
It will be cool in 15 years to see these out on the trail. Some current 3 year old kid will be out crushing it in moms old SUV.
I would love to have the Tundra orange offered for the Land Cruiser
You left off base GX. Also why not 2024 4runner trd offroad.
Because they both think the gx is too premium! 😂
Again why , why do they bring the most expensive one out first?! Dam! Let’s have the 1958 first and the Land Cruiser together .
Lower demand, allows them to ramp up production and flush out initial manufacturing issues, and more attention will be given to these first models than the rest, so the higher price helps pay for that on the manufacturing side.
Roman and Tommy, The caption to introduce the video says "Land Cruiser vs The World." For decades the 'world' has been offered the Prado as their mid-size Land Cruiser while the USA and Canada have had the 4Runner fulfilling the same role. Finally seeing the two side by side has really underlined an anomaly, why have the people of Kuala Lumpur and Qatar been getting a 4X4 with far more generous headroom than the Plus-Sized people of Kansas and Calgary? The latest versions just continue this contradiction with the Land Cruiser 250 offering much more space for big-boned North Americans to 'park' their baseball caps than the 4Runner. At 6'2", I know which model is top of my wish/daydream list. The next shoe to drop in Toyota's 4X4 lineup is the compact Land Cruiser FJ. Its debut is expected within a few months. We just don't know if it is coming here or not. 🤔
Asians are smaller and shorter on average than European-ancestry types.
U.S. Government regulations are the reason why you will not see the LC 300 series in the USA. Who you vote for matters.
@@adamweber1545 reason there is no 300 series here because the sequoia and LX600 already here. Stop blaming the Damm government and stop talking politics in a car video.🤫
@@adamweber1545 shut up complaining expert. 300 series is not here because the sequoia and LX600 are already here . people like you always complaining about blaming the government. how knowing basic commonsense
you had 13 years to buy an LC200 yet none of you did
The only reason the Heritage Edition sold well and above MSRP was due to the spectre of discontinuation in 2021. 2020 HEs were easy and cheap to come by.. But when Toyota filled everyone but saying it was done... Demand went up as did prices.
I think most people should wait and see how long these new Land Cruiser/gx 550’s last for. When they get to 200k without issues they will be vetted
I tow a boat all the time. The LC hitch cover is not elegant at all. Is there a trim set to make it look right?
The correct answer is current 4Runner ORP with KDSS. Get it while you can.
Hey! Stop making fun of 'bougie'!!!! 😄
LandCruiser equals road and overlanding, Bronco equals off road rock climbing. Two totally differnt vehicles. The upcoming 4Runner looks great as well as the Landcruiser/GX and if I was flush with money I would get the GX and have a Bronco for rock climbing. I have a RAV4 Limited Hybrid and it is the noiest vehicle I have ever owned so I hope the sound levels in the trucks discussd have better sound proofing.
Too bad JD Powers rated Ford 28th for reliability…their data comes from Ford owners. Look it up.
100% agree with Tommy on the fact that for 57k I expect a nicer interior. I’ll be holding out for the new 4runner as will the majority of normal folks. I don’t even know who the 1958 appeals to tbh.
17:21 Dad has it right and. Speaks truth to reality.
At this point LC doesn’t need to do much because the competition is so lousy. If they can keep mark ups to a minimum they have a winner based off reliability alone even though it’s a brand new vehicle. The Wrangler especially is hot trash
I’d rather have hot trash on a serious trail than a 4runner on a dirt trail.
13:40 love the honesty of what OEM junkets are for. Say goodbye to Land Cruiser ethos…it is a mall crawler.
This land cruiser is a excellent off roader and full Majority of people never go off road Anyway.
They forgot to mention e-KDSS on the GX
Roman: I don’t care about the other world’s prado, the new Land Cruiser is the prado without the prado name😂😂😂 Don’t fool yourself, it’s a prado without diesel engine
no toyota prado anywhere in the world , there are toyota land cruiser prado which is originated from luxury version of toyota land cruiser 70 series wagon. There were many version of toyota land cruiser in the world, they were all called land cruiser.
I think that was toyota told roman , so dont blame him😂😂
Can't wait for TFL🤙🏽 guys do the drive on the 4runner especially the trailhunter for me 4runner the way to gooo💯... just feel like @Toyotausa didn't do enough for the LC like suspension and front locker😪 shoud of came with the Twin turbo V6🤤🤤😢... 4runner getting the legendary rear window and the side rear window take it back to the classic🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
Coming soon!
@@TFLtalk can't wait TFL got me excited with thise 4runner reviews💯💯🤙🏽
All the same vehicles different bodies the way I see it the 4Runner and Tacomas are also land cruisers
Too many options and everything going “off road”. I’d love to take a poll of Jeep and Bronco owners and see how often or how many times they actually go off road. I went with the Pathfinder Rock Creek edition. I know it’s not in the same class but I’m also realistic with myself. Am I doing hardcore off-roading? No. Do I go camping and dirt roads, yes. Do I commute to work on a concrete jungle? Yes! And I got a regular V6 for $39,000. The SUV and Truck market is insane and has been since Covid and nothing had adjusted it’s just getting worse and my salary hasn’t gone up to match that market 😂
My wife just got a 2024 4runner. I think I have to get a Land Cruiser just so we have two different cars in the driveway 😅
Hey guys the LC 250 has 33 inch tires. Not sure why you say it has 31 inch
I think it has sizes ranging from 31.5" to 32.5"
is there a reason you would want to have the 2 wheel drive of the 4-Runner vs. the full time 4 wheel drive of the Land Cruiser? I think the 4-Runner has more than enough off road capability but am thinking I might prefer to avoid the 2 wheel drive. (why: personal history, in a very very sudden bad weather situation in a prior 4-Runner - slid into some damage that I think would have been avoided if the vehicle was all time 4 wheel drive) Having an all time 4 wheel drive seems like a best option due to personal negative experience. Thinking the Land Cruiser is the choice other than of course the price difference and they hybrid power. *would prefer not to have the worry of hybrid battery future costs but seems like no choice there... Like the Land Rover Defender as well but quite concerned about the quality/dependability and costs with repairs long term. *occasional off road and some high altitude mountain roads, etc but primarily fair weather general road usage.
The dealer’s add on is outrageous $30k so it’s not cheap
Yeah, only really competes with bronco and wrangler just because it’s 4 x 4, but really competes with defender, forerunner internally, Gx and inos
In Spain you get the land cruiser with a 3rd row
How long is the battery going to last and how many features will you lose when the battery goes dead
Love the channel.
Can anyone and I mean anyone, please give me the boot dimensions for the iForce 2.4L hybrid, length, width and height? No where is that information available. You guys in States have the model, we have zero information here in Europe. Thank you.
I am praying that Toyota brings back the FJ name in a hardcore offroader that competes with the Wrangler Rubicon and Ford Bronco Raptor
Would have to drive for hours to take the Defender to a dealership..... The Toyota and Lexus can be serviced by the Toyota dealer down the street.
The grand Cherokee trailhawk seems like a great option until you get inside. The interior looks like muppet fur…. Which leaves you wanting for the interior of the summit or summit reserve interior.. did not have the same experience with the plus in hybrid. Drives quite well on road, and the 30 mile real range with regen braking on battery is quite nice…. But having owned defender / wrangler 392 / summit 4xe and bronco w/ squatch…. Defender is BY FAR the best to daily and for normal non rock crawl off road…. New Defender SE with V8 is the king…
they should have included 6 or 8 Aux switches and a rolling down rear window...then I would consider it
Look at the 6th gen 4Runner
Hybrid model power: only exists while battery is full charged. After that you revert to gas engine power. That is what you need to test drive. That is the power level you will be at most of the time.
For the shopping mall factor, since the land cruiser doesn't have a third row now, would it be fair to say 4Runner and Pilot are the only real JDM options for "I have a mile long dirt road" and "I need to take four kids with me"?
Seems like Toyota has made so many of them on the same platform that they're competing against themselves.
Thats because toyotards would never consider any other option.
How about a convertible FJ Cruiser? Come on Toyota! You would own the market!
I want one!
Seems I'm in the minority but I'm my opinion the regular headlights and painted front end looks 100% better. The round headlights and black plastic front end stand econobox to me. And for that kind of money I shouldn't feel like that. And I'm glad to hear journalist saying that 50k is a lot of money. For Soo long I felt I was poverty strickin watching videos when it seemed no one batted an eye at these wallet scorching car prices
The important question is whether or not you can get a widdle wadder as an option. Or widdle wights in your gwill so people think you're a waptor.
The hybrid drivetrain on the LC results in the bed being higher. Don’t like that or the cheap interior. Both the 4Runner and GX are more off road worthy. But I like the motor in the GX more, so for me GX Overtrail.
The Bronco is very loud and the tops are trash. Most people use the Bronco as a mallcrawler and daily driver and are quickly annoyed and disappointed.
Which means they will hopefully devalue quickly so we can buy them and properly wheel them :-)
The idea of removable tops and doors is great until you realize you have to deal with noise and squeaks all year round whilst utilizing the actual features infrequently.
@@sunchaser999 Exactly. Ford compromised the whole vehicle just to please less than 10% of buyers. Yes, over 90% of Bronco buyers dont want a convertible top or even a removable top.
Well if you get the bronco sport fully equipped it probably be under the starting price of the new Toyota 😮
This is a horrible comment. There are tons of jeeps that are strictly mall crawlers. Bronco kills Jeep on and off road, and the tops have been reengineered and improved. What was your experience with your Bronco and what trim did you have?
America's "Land Cruiser" IS the Prado. It is the diet Coke of a sugar-free lemon LaCroix Fanta of a Land Cruiser.
So talk all you want about the "Land Cruiser" 250 Prado because that's what we're getting in this "Land Cruiser".
And for the record, it's no competitor to the Wrangler or the Bronco. Not even close.
I agree iam waiting until the Toyota dealers have enough stock on hand to buy one..
Is a 200 Series Land Cruiser, last year made, a bad investment?
GREAT show gentlemen
In 2 yrs my plans:
2024-2025 Land Cruiser (should be proven by then
LC200 if new ver isn’t proven out
2021-2024 4Runner TRD Pro cuz I know it’s proven
One of these should take me into retirement
The "cheap" one... $70k us 😅
22:19 they will last longer after the dozen recalls that are gonna happen in the next five years for all of these new redesign vehicles.
Once you've seen the original "Gone with the Wind".......the redo just doesn't work.
Sway bar disconnect doesn't come with the 1958 model. Does it have room for 33s or 35s without a lift? As a long term Element owner, I like the boxy design of the Land Cruiser over the curvy 4 Runner. Me, Land Rover lack of quality makes it a non-starter, ditto Jeep.Having a career in manufacturing (not cars), the accountants would cheap stuff out using the term "value engineering". The "perfect" choice for me is something that can tow my small camper to Alaska, set the trailer up in Fairbanks, then head up the Dawson to Deadhorse, and over to top of the world road. Definitely RIGHT on color choice. C'mon Toyota, put some fun colors! Styling wise, Toyota nailed it with the LC 1958. Lexus grills are hideous.
The off road top tier. The better the off road capability the worse the road handling;
Jeep
Bronco
FJ
4Runner
Land Cruiser
Defender
Luxury; all good on road
Rivian
G Wagon
Lexus GX
Grand Cherokee
I hate hearing journalists complain about soft material in anything that will be used off road or by a family. Heavy forbidden, we like something easy to maintain and keep clean. When they talk money, you're paying for the name? The hybrid system? The locker. Go get a Lexus if you're after that soft stuff.
Well the reason the new LC has not so premium materials, it’s bc it is what the new 4 Runner should have been. Same vehicle with a 4 Runner SR5, you would not find it odd. Since 2003 the 4 Runner was Prado based, what this vehicle is. The new 4 Runner is just a Tacoma with a cab. Just compare the weight of the doors and tell us. Toyota just took the Prado and slapped $15k and a LC badge
So this (Land Cruiser lite) or the LC300 that the rest of the world can get? (Or a LX600).
Not sure why you guys repeating that it is cheaper. Majority crowd looking for LC will go for mid trim which is going to cost 70K. Again comparing to previous gen does not make sense, as that one was larger with V8. This one runs on 4 cyclinder and cheaper NI battery. In terms of manufacturing cost, this is lot cheaper to make. Also LC with not so good offroad tire in this trim as well. So 70K for Toyota is not cheap.
Slapping a Land Cruiser badge on a vehicle doesn't make it any better or worse than any other Toyota model with the same parts that's built in Japan. As I understand it, both the LC and 4Runner are built in the same Tahara plant... by the same people... with the same key mechanical parts. From a reliability, durability, longevity point of view they should both last just as long as each other. I just can't see the LC being more reliable or tougher. For me I'm leaning toward the non-hybrid options so it would be between the 4Runner or GX550 and that comes down to use-case and price at the time I'll be in the market.
A few thoughts…
First, Roman can be disappointed with Toyota’s promo course, but 90% of owners will NEVER come anywhere close to driving anything like that course, let’s be honest.
Second, the pricing on these are insane, maybe one of the biggest examples of the current “scamflation” plaguing the US market. $55k for a 1958 which is essentially a 4Runner with a different exterior and the interior of a 1987 Corolla is just kinda ridiculous. A dealer here in the Twin Cities is listing a First Edition at $82k, so much for “cheaper” or “more affordable”.
I dont think theres any need to apologize for calling it like it is.... with Toyota picking ( and building ) courses that it KNOWS wont have any issues getting through. Its the cheap & easy way out... We all Know it.... as do many other manufacturers whom do the same. God forbid their products should Fail in front of the whole world.... Hats off to Jeep who puts their money where their mouth is.