Time stamp guy, thank you - I can tell you are a person with deep moral convictions, fortitude, strength, honor and duty in this virtuous service to your fellow man. You saved me twenty minutes so its worth 20 seconds of my time to thank you. 😅
I don’t know what he means by “embrace”. “Accept” I can interpret as acknowledge that it exists, but I’m not sure about “embrace”. Embrace, to me means to participate, be a part of. That, I cannot.
This makes be want to have him back on Grail Country because this is precisely the alarm I keep sounding and gets to the core of my Christian Anarchism.
Jordan Peterson has five series where he talks about judeochristian values as the basis of western civilization material success, never once did he mentions the gospels.
Good lecture, but I believe in Kingsnorth's earnest desire to do what Jesus did, he may need to hold other passages in tension. Sure, some are called to give up everything, but Jesus called His followers to different types of commitment. Luke 9:57-62 is a good example. Three people, but three different impediments to following Jesus. No one size fits all. So, I love the spirit of Kingsnorth's exhortation but it does not juggle other truths in the Bible that are crucial to remember.
If you don't want to read Dominion by Tom Holland because it's massive check out The Book That Made Your World by Vishal Mangalawadi. His is much the same thesis but told from a first-person perspective. Fun and inspiring but pointedly analytical regarding the western world view.
A clarion clear call, and the key to it all is metanoia - the inner turning in each one of us, that will make the outer right, and bring the kingdom down to earth.
A powerfully challenging and incredibly thought-provoking lecture. That's for sure. Thanks First Things and Dr. Kingsnorth. And yet I, like one of the questioners, wonder about aspects of Kingsnorth's literal interpretations. Can you really have hospitals and universities, for example, apart from a "civilizational" component? Would not every culture, by definition, be antithetical to the Word according to Kingsnorth? I respect his point that we are to reject the tempting vision of modern-day crusaders who will rise up and restore our once-glorious Christian civilization. But could the next culture that emerges, a culture closer to the City of God than our own, not make use of the embers of Western culture? I'd really like to hear Jordan Peterson and Patrick Deneen (for different reasons) respond to this lecture!
I was concerned that the right wing seemed to be claiming PK as one of their own lately and wondered if that might be influencing him. I was glad that this talk alleviated those fears.
Yes but the archbishop of England was denounced as a schismatic in 1052 by the Roman papacy. William invaded England with the Pope's blessing to bring the nation into the Roman Catholic church
@@Eilfylijokul They were already in the church, and had been for centuries. What Rome wanted was more centralisation, and more open papacy, and William was happy to oblige.
'Paul, you're so-so right, yes, Yes, YES! "Love your enemies!" Unless they're MAGA...then, well FUGGUM!!' (paraphrasing a certain vibe in the audience)...feels me?
This is a very conservative audience. The question about advice for people who might be working in a Trump administration seemed like a plausible situation for some in that audience.
@PhilTomson Well, I thought it was odd. Perhaps I misinterpreted. I suppose I'm so used to being abused, I assume everyone is in on it. Ironic that, a former union organizer and Democratic activist, I see enemies everywhere. People I admired now signaling a hysteria over the coming ORANGE HITLER! Not very bloody, Christian on my part, but whoop...der it is!!!!
My brother in Christ, I did not get that sense from this talk. MAGA wasn't mentioned. One question touched on it tangentially. Was it the talk about humility that upset you? The 7 deadly sins? Was the Holy Spirit convicting?
Sorry sir, I don’t buy it. I echo the concerns of Brian Anderson in the Q&A. Mr. Kingsnorth, for all his wisdom and eloquence conveyed through that brilliantly erudite accent, falls short in his positive vision for mankind. His criticism, like most criticism, flows effortlessly like his prose. His prescriptions for Christians in society, specifically our western society, are remarkably shy. It’s so easy to criticize the West. It’s so easy to straw man versions of the boogeyman. It’s difficult to offer up a vision for Christian living that doesn’t fall into one ditch or the other. Ascetic attempts have been made by naive Christians to live like the acts church after Pentecost and they have failed in outstanding fashion. The beatniks and the Jesus movements similarly tried to buck societal norms. Obviously, kings and governments have utilized Christianity pragmatically to build their civilizations, but to target these straw men as the root of our problems in the west is disingenuous, or misguided at best. Sin follows us wherever we go. You can try to sell your belongings and not resist evil. You can retreat into monastic living. You can try to build a Christian civilization with laws based on the Decalogue. All of these are motivated by a desire to live faithfully. But what is his standard for elevating some of Jesus’ teachings over others. Sounds like a romantic project to me. I’ll stick to men like Chesterton and Lewis who saw the need for Christian civilization alongside the mystics. Christianity is an embodied religion. Not simply a set of rational propositions, nor simply a shamanic initiation into we know not what. These simplistic reductions made by Mr. Kingsnorth do not answer the question of “How then should we live?” I’ll wait for more thought provoking answers to these perennial questions. Until then I’ll stick to what we have.
Sigh. Tiresome opening. Those poor, sad, beleaguered, victim enjuns. Whatever. You lost me, I'm out. Soo tired of the guilt blanket narrative, and the "noble savage" fantasy nonsense. Try something else next time.
@martinbutler1075 I know, absolutely true. Christianity is about the hatred for your biological family, and only love for people who believe the same things as you, worshipping some foreign Jewish guy.
@@martinbutler1075 absolutely true, Christianity is fundamentally about hating your real family and having an imaginary family based on a belief in worshipping a foreign jewish man. Christianity invented the left wing and was the original "Wokeness." Tearing down statues and believing all your ancestors were evil...hmm sounds just like the Woke and the early Christians. Wokeness is Christianity 2.0
Intro starts at 21:40
Paul Kingsnorth starts at 28:10
Thank you
God bless you
Time stamp guy, thank you - I can tell you are a person with deep moral convictions, fortitude, strength, honor and duty in this virtuous service to your fellow man. You saved me twenty minutes so its worth 20 seconds of my time to thank you. 😅
Traditional, Biblical, Radical and Prophetic….like Jesus Christ. Thank you Mr. Kingsnorth.
I could listen to Paul Kingsnorth talk for hours. Such brilliant and thoughtful insights.Thank you for this ❤🌿
“We should accept it, we should even embrace it.” Thank you for the courage and humility.
The video for TGROG
@ I was thinking that too!
@@2stephenschwartzwhat’s TGROG?
I don’t know what he means by “embrace”. “Accept” I can interpret as acknowledge that it exists, but I’m not sure about “embrace”. Embrace, to me means to participate, be a part of. That, I cannot.
This makes be want to have him back on Grail Country because this is precisely the alarm I keep sounding and gets to the core of my Christian Anarchism.
Thank you for this spiritually provoking talk. ❤
Excellent lecture as always Mr. Paul Kingsnorth.
Thank you for publishing this lecture. Paul Kingsnorth is an authentic Christian.
Love ya Paul, you're a good lad
Absolutely brilliant and necessary
Jordan Peterson has five series where he talks about judeochristian values as the basis of western civilization material success, never once did he mentions the gospels.
Doesn't he have a new series coming out on the gospels?
Stunning, from beginning to end.
Good lecture, but I believe in Kingsnorth's earnest desire to do what Jesus did, he may need to hold other passages in tension. Sure, some are called to give up everything, but Jesus called His followers to different types of commitment. Luke 9:57-62 is a good example. Three people, but three different impediments to following Jesus. No one size fits all. So, I love the spirit of Kingsnorth's exhortation but it does not juggle other truths in the Bible that are crucial to remember.
Im a poor theology student, and I like your comment
wonderfull lecture - and important critique on Jordan Petersons shallow christian reading
Thank you. Much to contemplate. 🙏🌸
Excellent lecture
So blessed be be at this event 🙏😎
Fantastic talk. Whoever was the last person to stand up for the ovation at the end is going straight to hell..... I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
If only we could hear this, as a race upon Earth.
Brilliant lecture
Paul is amazing
What a legend
If you don't want to read Dominion by Tom Holland because it's massive check out The Book That Made Your World by Vishal Mangalawadi. His is much the same thesis but told from a first-person perspective. Fun and inspiring but pointedly analytical regarding the western world view.
YES !
Exactly right, and I'm not even a Christian. God help me.
A clarion clear call, and the key to it all is metanoia - the inner turning in each one of us, that will make the outer right, and bring the kingdom down to earth.
Beautiful talk, very much appreciated it.
But why is there 21 1/2 minutes of Nothing before the talk begins?
A powerfully challenging and incredibly thought-provoking lecture. That's for sure. Thanks First Things and Dr. Kingsnorth. And yet I, like one of the questioners, wonder about aspects of Kingsnorth's literal interpretations. Can you really have hospitals and universities, for example, apart from a "civilizational" component? Would not every culture, by definition, be antithetical to the Word according to Kingsnorth? I respect his point that we are to reject the tempting vision of modern-day crusaders who will rise up and restore our once-glorious Christian civilization. But could the next culture that emerges, a culture closer to the City of God than our own, not make use of the embers of Western culture? I'd really like to hear Jordan Peterson and Patrick Deneen (for different reasons) respond to this lecture!
I was concerned that the right wing seemed to be claiming PK as one of their own lately and wondered if that might be influencing him. I was glad that this talk alleviated those fears.
31:20 The Anglo Saxons were Christian at the time of the Norman Conquest!
All of them except for Buccmaster of Holland ...
Yes but the archbishop of England was denounced as a schismatic in 1052 by the Roman papacy. William invaded England with the Pope's blessing to bring the nation into the Roman Catholic church
@@Eilfylijokul They were already in the church, and had been for centuries. What Rome wanted was more centralisation, and more open papacy, and William was happy to oblige.
Haven’t listened yet but, why wouldn’t you edit out the first 21 minutes before uploading?
sound is very low, hard to hear.
'Paul, you're so-so right, yes, Yes, YES! "Love your enemies!" Unless they're MAGA...then, well FUGGUM!!'
(paraphrasing a certain vibe in the audience)...feels me?
This is a very conservative audience. The question about advice for people who might be working in a Trump administration seemed like a plausible situation for some in that audience.
@PhilTomson Well, I thought it was odd. Perhaps I misinterpreted. I suppose I'm so used to being abused, I assume everyone is in on it. Ironic that, a former union organizer and Democratic activist, I see enemies everywhere. People I admired now signaling a hysteria over the coming ORANGE HITLER! Not very bloody, Christian on my part, but whoop...der
it is!!!!
My brother in Christ, I did not get that sense from this talk. MAGA wasn't mentioned. One question touched on it tangentially. Was it the talk about humility that upset you? The 7 deadly sins? Was the Holy Spirit convicting?
@thecatoli Whatever...thanks for the gum chew tutorial.
I thought the same thing. I did enjoy his lecture, just that second to last question.
Riveting.
Sorry sir, I don’t buy it. I echo the concerns of Brian Anderson in the Q&A.
Mr. Kingsnorth, for all his wisdom and eloquence conveyed through that brilliantly erudite accent, falls short in his positive vision for mankind. His criticism, like most criticism, flows effortlessly like his prose. His prescriptions for Christians in society, specifically our western society, are remarkably shy.
It’s so easy to criticize the West. It’s so easy to straw man versions of the boogeyman. It’s difficult to offer up a vision for Christian living that doesn’t fall into one ditch or the other.
Ascetic attempts have been made by naive Christians to live like the acts church after Pentecost and they have failed in outstanding fashion. The beatniks and the Jesus movements similarly tried to buck societal norms. Obviously, kings and governments have utilized Christianity pragmatically to build their civilizations, but to target these straw men as the root of our problems in the west is disingenuous, or misguided at best.
Sin follows us wherever we go. You can try to sell your belongings and not resist evil. You can retreat into monastic living. You can try to build a Christian civilization with laws based on the Decalogue. All of these are motivated by a desire to live faithfully. But what is his standard for elevating some of Jesus’ teachings over others. Sounds like a romantic project to me. I’ll stick to men like Chesterton and Lewis who saw the need for Christian civilization alongside the mystics. Christianity is an embodied religion. Not simply a set of rational propositions, nor simply a shamanic initiation into we know not what. These simplistic reductions made by Mr. Kingsnorth do not answer the question of “How then should we live?” I’ll wait for more thought provoking answers to these perennial questions. Until then I’ll stick to what we have.
A bit harsh on Jordan Peterson.... he is slowly coming to Christ... but perhaps I won't hear the rest of this talk as it has frozen at 51:10.
Pray it unfreezes - a must listen right to the end, including the q& a
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Sigh. Tiresome opening. Those poor, sad, beleaguered, victim enjuns. Whatever. You lost me, I'm out. Soo tired of the guilt blanket narrative, and the "noble savage" fantasy nonsense. Try something else next time.
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he is conducting with his hands the audience 😂
The basis of Western culture, is that Europeans are a biological family, we are genetically closely related.
Our identity is not Jew worshipping.
The idea of a ‘Biological family’ is certainly nothing to do with Christianity
@martinbutler1075 I know, absolutely true. Christianity is about the hatred for your biological family, and only love for people who believe the same things as you, worshipping some foreign Jewish guy.
@@martinbutler1075 absolutely true, Christianity is fundamentally about hating your real family and having an imaginary family based on a belief in worshipping a foreign jewish man.
Christianity invented the left wing and was the original "Wokeness."
Tearing down statues and believing all your ancestors were evil...hmm sounds just like the Woke and the early Christians. Wokeness is Christianity 2.0
@martinbutler1075
Funny, but that's not what St Paul thought in Romans
Balls.