I have the 3861 Sapphire sandwich and didn't even realise the sharpness was suppose to be a problem until I saw some of these videoes - It really is a fantastic watch
Had my 3861 just over 1 week on the sailcloth and leather deployment strap. Agree with everything you’ve said for me the biggest improvement is the reintroduction of the ‘step dial’ it adds so much more than the older 1861 model which I owned previously. Like you no sharp edges or poorly machined just quality made . Great Vid 👌🤩
Have had this for a couple of months and it's just phenomenal - LOVE the bracelet and the fit on the wrist! I have the Sapphire so love the polished links in the bracelet catching the light and shining a bit. Regarding the sharpness - If people haden't been shouting about it, I would never have given it a thought
@@benm2370 I don’t like those either. I could have had one and I could’ve played the “investment” game. But a moon watch to me doesn’t have a glass top and bottom. And I don’t like those bands either.
@@vitaboost I don’t like the new dark dial with those steps and everything. I don’t want a modern movement in such a classic that has actually never been to space (and may never). I don’t like the new wristband for this watch (even though it’s essentially the same as the one that I have on my Speedmaster automatic). I don’t like the changes to the inscription; sounds like something written by the legal team since this new watch is likely not nasa certified and we have no information if it ever passed any of the tests. 861 and 1861 we know has been or is used in space at least.
Wow, just came across your channel and I really like your reviews. So refreshing compared to all the hype RUclips channels which do not put much thought or enthusiasm into the watches before them. Also like the background in this review.
Been showering/swimming with my 3861 Saphire and all is well, will do annual seal checks until the 5-year warranty runs out, and then I'll figure it out from there. I have been experiencing +3 seconds/month (not day or week but rather a month). Great review, thanks!
I sold my saphire 1861 for the new saphire 3861 simply because its the latest and greatest point blank period. Didn't even think twice or hesitant or question it one bit.
Thank you for the content and the effort and honest viewpoint, i too went and got the watch because i had to find out. and it was making me crazy the comments about razor blades.
omega absolutly hit it out of the park with this watch, every aspect they updated was perfectly done, they really gave the collectors the ultimate modern speedy, unlike rolex where they purposly never excecute to collectors wishes, Like who wants the sub to go to 41mm no1 so thats what rolex does
This is the most informative review I have seen. I bought the 3861sandwich one a few days ago. Great watch, and it compliments 3 Rolexes I have, rounding out my collection.
I imagine they will be finishing the edges off more since the TWC review. Why wouldn't you correct an issue in response to such honest feedback? Nice review though, subscribed.
I really prefer the 1861 to be honest. That dark grey dial really makes the hands pop, and feels less cluttered. Got mine for 2k less than the 3861. I wear mine on straps anyway, so the size is perfect. Totally love it
A real life review by a real owner! I own the same watch in the sapphire version and I couldn’t agree more on everything he pointed out about this watch, especially on the edge sharpness. Just a few more things. - The watch feels lighter than it looks thanks to the new tapered bracelet. - It has only one more micro adjustment, compared to typical two, but the links are relatively smaller than other watches’ so the fitting hasn’t been a problem for me. - The winding experience is a lot better than I expected. I rarely hear people complaining about the crown on my Navitimer. Good thing it’s an automatic piece or I would’ve lost my fingerprints over the years LOL.
Hey James - I just picked up a Speedmaster 105.012 reference 321 movement. It is a true beautiful well loved, well cared for piece of art. Beautiful case, crown, bezel, dot of 90, dial, creamy amazing markers. I’m so lucky to have been bestowed as a steward of this timepiece. Truly amazing. I love the horse on the back with no Omega Flight Qualified print - just - Speedmaster, and original bracelet too. This is Hodinikee grade; It is a piece of art no doubt. Thanks for sharing your review; keep up the great work.
Obviously theirs more polished reviews but this is one of the best ones of this watch. It’s a vintage watch with modern build quality and a beautiful one at that. The clasp and bracelet look really elegant and comfortable. I think I’m getting one. I’m glad someone has put the stupid sharp edges thing to bed. Funny how the guy who started it got the Rolex your watch is in call straight after 🤔 it’s almost like he planned it. Remember a Rolex might be a good investment if you get the right one at retail but good luck with that 🤦🏻♂️ on the whole watches are a bad investment unless you love watches and enjoy wearing them. I don’t think Omega will be doing any discount on theses for a long time if at all.
@@davidkaplan5517 dream on. Those days are gone I’m afraid. I know people who work in Omega AD’s and they are not giving away discount on the new Speedmaster.
I got me new moonwatch for $3,855 from the US Military Exchange...nylon strap and hesalite. I couldn't pass up the deal. My first omega speedmaster. So excited to get home and wear this iconic watch.
I would think that the previous 1861 rated for 50m water resistance will be at least pressure tested... I cannot imagine Omega would give a rating without at least pressure testing it. As for warranty, my understanding is that it will not cover water damage... they can blame it on operation of pushers when in contact with water or wear and tear of seals... I wind my 1861 almost everyday, I would imagine the crown stem rubbing against the gasket will accelerate the wear on it. Lets say even if I pressure test it every year and on the 4th year the test still came out fine but that doesn't mean it will not give way before the 5th year right? After all its a 4yr old rubber with constant abrasion with the crown stem.
James, a spot one video, you say it as you see it. That's what makes this a great video. If I was in the market for a new watch the 3861 could well end up on my list. Good to hear your real world views on the sharp edges that is allegedly is a huge issue with the Seamaster 300M as well, odd as I have no issues with a 2020 model.
My A.D said people are buying the 3861 bracelet and throwing it on their 1861. I might do the same down the track. At the moment im enjoying my 1861, i like the lineage of the line. I Will probably pick up a 3861 years down the track, for a discount. Very nice vid showcase. Subscribed.
Watch out. The lugs on the 3861 are 1mm shorter. I put an old bracelet on the new watch and they extended past the lugs. So flip that for the other way around. This might not bother everyone but it would me.
Very nice review - I own the 1861 hesalite and I like it better than the new Speedmaster (but hey that is just personal :-) ) I am always in the water with my 1861. If a 5000 euro Omega cannot handle a ittle water it is not worth the name Omega. But do not dive with a speedy. I had contact with an Omega spokesman and he guarateed that swimming and showering waas just fine, the only thing you have to do is service the watch in about 5 year. Omega would never spoil their reputation with a leak watch. So service once and a while and enjoy the watch on land and in water.
Great watch James. I think I’m going to stick with my 1861 simply because I prefer it on strap . I might look at purchasing the new black strap though if it available separately.
So what do you think about the bracelet aside from the looks? The more I have checked it out it seems like the bracelet is a bit on the light side. Is it hollow links or what? Looks good to me but almost seems cheap because of how light it is.
@@scott7841 yeah I have checked them out a few different times trying to decide on purchasing it and though the bracelet is much more attractive than it’s predecessor it does seem a bit flimsy.
I guess it's made out of different steel alloy, kinda like rolex with their steel bracelet. I guess it's an update as well as the old bracelet kinda have problems with rusty links due to contact with really sweaty users.
Absolutely love this watch my friend if I didn't have my Breitling Navitimer I would have definitely pick this up also love the location such a great idea keep up the awesome word kind regards Mr GMT
Great review! Thanks for helping me justify having a 57 Reissue, 1861 Hesalite and a 3861 one day. I so like the idea of going sapphire sandwich with the 3861.
I am doing some serious tyre-kicking of watches at the moment. I have whittled it down to an Rolex Oyster Perpetual or the new Omega Speedmaster ‘Moonwatch’. I have watched about a dozen online reviews of the Omega. There’s a really, really detailed review by an Austrian dude who really knows his watches. The rest of the reviews - no disrespect intended - are weak. I shuddered when I see ‘reviews’ consisting largely of ego-stroking face-to-face time with Big Shots from Omega HQ. You gotta have concerns about the objectivity of such reviews. Another concern I would have is about whether or not these ‘reviewers’ are actually buying the Omegas with their own cash? I accidentally stumbled across this review and - to my shame - I was just about to change channel (I was puzzled by the video being shot in an alpine pasture), until I heard that the reviewer had actually bought the Omega in his hand. Respect! Very honest and personal review. Upon finishing the review, I subscribed to the channel. Similar to your advice on having one example of both the Hesalite and the Sapphire Omegas, I know that I will only be content when I have bought both the Rolex and the Omega. Great review, sir. My compliments. Keep up the good work.
I never realized how sharp the edges are, but you'll only notice it if you run your finger along the edge (which normally you'd never do), otherwise it's unnoticeable on wrist.
The reason you shouldn't shower with you watch (personal preference but also recommended not to do so) is so the expansion and contraction of the gaskets due to heat and cooling of temperature can compromise the overall seal and potentially let in moisture. When watches are tested for water resistance it is rare that includes any sort of temperature gauging and as such that isn't something necessarily accounted for in the WR rating. I say this humbly as someone who had his luminox navy seal "dive" watch fill with steam in the shower some years back. xD
Nice review. With regards to water resistance on a watch - always divide it by 3 to be careful. General water tests are on a non moving watch head which is submerged at X metres of depth. If you move at that particular depth, you instantly increase the pressure by a factor of 1.5-2.
Just tried one on yesterday. To me the edge is sharp and as was the bracelet. Wasn’t enough for me to pass on it. But definitely felt it...just trying to decide if i want this or a seamaster for my first omega.
From a owner of a seamster 300m blue, get the moonwatch without any doubt !!! The bracelet of the seamaster is a pain in the a**e, the clasp is was to thick and it feel uncomfortable, I tried the 3861 and 1861 these days and I decided to get the 3861 sapphire version
Nice Review, well I had it on my wrist in the Boutique, clasp is small and no pusher microadjustment- why? Do you think going swimming with the 1863 is more dangerous ? Because it has no Metas ?? Thanks
Went to the watch boutique and compared the 1861 vs the new 3861. I walked out with the 1861. To me the bracelet for the 3861 is way to flimsy and delicate. IMHO it leans towards a woman's bracelet...style wise. Also I prefer the case and dial on the 1861. So it comes down to movements. Sure the 3861 movement is an upgrade but the 1861 is basically a 861 movement and both have been to space and are solid. So I decided to save $2k and buy the 1861. Just my 2 cents.... Cheers!
Congratulations again! Speedy is only my Omega and will be. So you have Apollo50th and professional which both made of 3861 movement. Will you still get Snoopy which make you have 3rd watch with the same movement but different outside?
Two small things I don’t like about the 3861 speedy is the big omega font they used and second the chronograph pushers are shorter than the 1861. Other than that it’s perfect.
Mate, great video! I have just got a 1861 - I guess it is one of the last of the old model. Sapphire sandwich, gorgeous box as you know - has WL. Date 09/20. Do you think that will go up in value?? I’m thinking to keep it boxed and maybe get the 3861 to wear!?!?! Or I could just wear the 1861?? Have big wrists so not worried about the bracelet... what are your thoughts????
Great in depth video James. Love these outdoor style reviews. I was worried the bracelet would be too jingly jangly and would take away from the wearing experience, but I do believe Omega has done very well. I was also worried about the size of the clasp, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you said Omega is aiming to create a vintage styling with high quality modern build with the new speedy. My only critique would be the lack of on the fly adjustment, but that's just my personal opinion. Much better than some 21 year old with no Rolex sitting in a chair talking watches... oh wait 😳
Not every person is going to understand you and that is Okej. They have a right to their opinion and you have every right to ignore it, opinions are like nose, everybody got one but it usually has a couple of holes in it. :)
I have an 1861 and recently bought this one. I like everything but the bracelet. The jury is still out for me on the bracelet. It is a bit dainty but may grow on me.
I bought the Ed White Cal 321.... it's the only Omega I own, and the one of the only ones I'd want to. If I wanted the best movement.. I'd get a Lange or even a Daytona .. The whole reason to own a Speedmaster is the history and that beautiful Lemania designed movement... and the vintage case and bracelet is also much nicer in the new modern manufacturing style.
Pls don't put Lange and Daytona in the same sentence when talking about best movement. They're in very different leagues.ALS movements are haute horologie... Rolex are mass produced by machines. Where Rolex wins over ALS is publicity marketing. Regards.
@@Mark..P well done you. My AD said no discount as it’s new. I have handled it and edges are sharp, not that it felt uncomfortable on the wrist. Whilst it may not be an issue they should have rounded slightly IMO. What’s your impression wearing daily? I’m still pondering. Thanks
What if it is my first speedy? Should i go for 3861 for hesalite? Or 1831? Tricky thing is my ad told me there is a undiscounted sapphire is ready for in a day or so
I'm in the same boat. Plus it will be my first mechanical chronograph. My experience with Co-Axial movements, is that they seem to hold up incredibly well in all conditions. So I am seriously leaning towards the 3861
When you check the bezel of the watch. This new one has the dot "above" the number 90. On the old one the dot was on the right side of the 90 and not "above"
Nice thoughts on the newer MW, I have the older Sapphire Sandwich got a good price from an AD and happy with it. If and WHEN I get another speedy, I'd probably go for one of their sports auto's, probably with a white dial.
Only just found your channel; enjoyed this video and have subscribed! Question: are you still enjoying the 3861? I'm planning to purchase (will be my first Omega) so am interested in your ownership experience. They're difficult to get at retail here in Singapore, so I'm researching availability in the UK (I'm back for Xmas); are they available? Cheers, Rich
Excellent real world review.. Pre-owned is still the way to go when purchasing an Omega. While it’s true that every collection needs a Speedy. I’m just not convinced that this is the best Speedy to own.
I think it depends if you’re a movement advancement guy or if you’re a history guy. Personally it would bother me to have the 1861 and not be COSC certified. I think the new model is perfect just too expensive.
It is a great Video Mate. I am ready to purchase my first Omega. I am debating between the Omega Seamaster 300M and the Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch 3861. What do you think that i should do? Much appreciated the help mate and keep the good work. Cheers
Micro adjustment only available with their dive watch I think. Thus why they got two couple holes in the clasp that you could readjust with a tooth pick.
I'm not sure that I like the changes to it, especially the bracelet but like anything that is changed and made newer it will take some getting used to and maybe I'll like it better than the old.
Has anyone else ever thought that the dial on the Speedmaster is difficult to read? I have a fairly new speedmaster and I've hardly worn it over the last 5 years. I think that's because it's a chore to read and it's frustrating. Lack of contrast in hand thickness to dial markings, a busy dial, and tachymeter that serves no purpose but just adds to the confusion. I've developed the opinion that I don't really think this is an awesome watch anymore, it's useless to me almost, and people just own it because they think they need to?
Interesting to read your comments but still have an itch I need to scratch! If you’re in the Uk maybe you would consider selling? Till I’ve owned one I won’t be able to get it out of my head 🤦🏻♂️
@@philnelson2607 In Canada! Personally, I choose my explorer over the Speedmaster every time. That wasn't my original intent either, it just doesn't really help me tell the time TBH. :(
First 1861 big box, then 861, then 1967-8 321, then 3861 and then one of the versions in sapphire, also one with brownish dial..That is how your collection should look like.🙂
This new 2021 c3861 Speedmaster Professional released on 5th Jan 2021 has a long waiting list as at 28 Feb 2021 in Singapore. Having owned a Sapphire since Jan 2021, this piece is definitely the best modern moonwatch that is worth every dollar even with the price increase. Some grey market dealers are asking slightly more than 10% above retail. Did you mention longer service interval on this new movement?
Yeah... Metas certified watches have longer service interval as its coaxial escapement has no need much lubrication, it only act as a bumper, but not for lessening the friction unlike the most of swiss lever escapement that widely used in modern watch.
I am looking at getting an Omega Speedmaster Professional and was leaning towards the sapphire model. My friend said I would regret not getting the hesalite model in the future if I get more interested in collecting and he claimed the hesalite was the better watch. Im not sure if that's just him being bias because he is a collector and might be loyal to the watches history but as someone who likes to see the movement and is going to wear the watch a lot I feel like the sapphire model would be better for everyday wear and tear. Could anyone clarify is one model better than the other and also is my friend just being bias towards the hesalite model due to its historical accuracy. Thanks in advance
I've been going back and forth between the hesalite and sapphire version, but ended up buying the sapphire. I was sold by the look of the hesalite - and was at some point contemplating on exchanging the sapphire for the hesalite after my purchase - but the sapphire really grew on me (also aesthetically). I looked at 100 videos on how to polish hesalite glass to convince myself I could live with the idea of having such an expensive watch that is relatively easy to watch. However, now owning the watch for 1 month, I would go crazy if I would scratch it already..it just wouldn't work for me, I would rather have some piece of mind as I wear it everyday. Furthermore, the display case is beautiful and the polished bracelet gives it a bit more definition in my opinion..But the choice is hard..If there was a domed sapphire version, it would make the life of many consumers a bit easier ;-)
@@Bartseli I ended up getting offered the Rolex DateJust from the boutique near me so I bought that. Will definetly get a speed master in future though
Yes I noticed the dial color in direct sunlight. The 1861 is more of a matte dark grey. The 3861 is a flat black dial. It's difficult to see the step dial at first. There really isn't much of a big difference between the 1861 vs 3861. Still both winners IMO. I am going to buy the 3861 brushed bracelet for my 1861. I love the matte grey tone in sunlight. It makes it stand out. The only con on the 1861, no hacking & no COSC. Other than that OMEGA did right by this new 3861. This is very encouraging and gives us fans some assurance these 3861 are the next option for Speedy owners, and these 3861 are here to stay for a long time. Great review James bravo sir. I am looking for an Explorer 39mm. If I can get one I want to bring my collection back down to 2 pieces Speedy & Explorer. Then focus on a Panerai 372, JLC Reverso duo face medium & in some years from now. My grail a JLC Ultra thin perpetual Dr. Strange or a Reserve De Marche for the time being....
Terrific unbiased and knowledgeable review - bought the sapphire sandwich and I'm uber impressed by the accuracy, style, and comfort. Omega and the 3861 is a major league timepiece!
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This is the best 3861 review by far. Finally someone giving a real review and not just parroting specs. Fantastic 👍🏻
@5:05 is what people need to be showing rather than specs and measuring the thing
Thank you for addressing the sharpness and for your thoughts in the 3861 movement.
I have the 3861 Sapphire sandwich and didn't even realise the sharpness was suppose to be a problem until I saw some of these videoes - It really is a fantastic watch
This is, hands down, one of the best reviews I've seen on the new speedy. Great review Showcase!
So we are in agreement. We are buying the new speedy....
@@livewithlolexx hell yes.. after the honeymoon period with the cermit is over
@@redrum_5.021 I’m calling my accountant right now. Gonna see if I can HELOC my Jordan’s
@@livewithlolexx do it!!!!! haaha
Had my 3861 just over 1 week on the sailcloth and leather deployment strap. Agree with everything you’ve said for me the biggest improvement is the reintroduction of the ‘step dial’ it adds so much more than the older 1861 model which I owned previously. Like you no sharp edges or poorly machined just quality made . Great Vid 👌🤩
Great video James, thanks for clearing up the sharp edge issue. Hope to add this one to the collection by the end of the year.
FMD showcase!!! I love this outdoors watch review!!
Makes sense
Have had this for a couple of months and it's just phenomenal - LOVE the bracelet and the fit on the wrist! I have the Sapphire so love the polished links in the bracelet catching the light and shining a bit. Regarding the sharpness - If people haden't been shouting about it, I would never have given it a thought
Thanks. This still makes me want an 1861 or a 861 instead.
Why not a 321?
@@benm2370 I don’t like those either. I could have had one and I could’ve played the “investment” game. But a moon watch to me doesn’t have a glass top and bottom. And I don’t like those bands either.
@@vitaboost I don’t like the new dark dial with those steps and everything. I don’t want a modern movement in such a classic that has actually never been to space (and may never). I don’t like the new wristband for this watch (even though it’s essentially the same as the one that I have on my Speedmaster automatic). I don’t like the changes to the inscription; sounds like something written by the legal team since this new watch is likely not nasa certified and we have no information if it ever passed any of the tests. 861 and 1861 we know has been or is used in space at least.
Fantastic revue. Will pick mine up next month.
Wow, just came across your channel and I really like your reviews. So refreshing compared to all the hype RUclips channels which do not put much thought or enthusiasm into the watches before them. Also like the background in this review.
Love how you focus on the detailed that others don't talk about. Not the same regurgitated info. This channel is legit.
I have both and love them the 3861 ids darker and has more contrast! Good review Ill be back for more!!!
I own the Snoopy dark side of the moon .... love it ! 👍
Just got one three days ago, love it bcz the shape of case, the bracelet design as well as the very shiny movement indeed.
i wear this watch day and night, and i dont feel the 'rough' edges, I FKING LOVE MY HESALITE 3861 WATCH.
I watched even though I have the sapphire version coming in a couple weeks ! Nice review, you checked all the boxes !
if you’re a purist the sapphire is a no no :)
If you're a purist you would get a 321, one that actually went to space...
@@crackhead187 a purist in some ways, I like the scratch resistance of the sapphire. :)
Been showering/swimming with my 3861 Saphire and all is well, will do annual seal checks until the 5-year warranty runs out, and then I'll figure it out from there.
I have been experiencing +3 seconds/month (not day or week but rather a month).
Great review, thanks!
I sold my saphire 1861 for the new saphire 3861 simply because its the latest and greatest point blank period. Didn't even think twice or hesitant or question it one bit.
How have you found the switch between the two different models?
@@philnelson2607 Never looked back.
Congratulations on passing 3k subscribers Showcase!!
Thank you for the content and the effort and honest viewpoint, i too went and got the watch because i had to find out. and it was making me crazy the comments about razor blades.
It shows you that when one person says something hundreds of others will blindly repeat it. 🐑
Thanks for the review! Can’t wait to pick up my own sapphire sandwich!
omega absolutly hit it out of the park with this watch, every aspect they updated was perfectly done, they really gave the collectors the ultimate modern speedy, unlike rolex where they purposly never excecute to collectors wishes, Like who wants the sub to go to 41mm no1 so thats what rolex does
This is the most informative review I have seen. I bought the 3861sandwich one a few days ago. Great watch, and it compliments 3 Rolexes I have, rounding out my collection.
3861 haselite version is the version i prefer. I just love the haselite look :-)
Good review and observations on that watch, which pretty much mirror my own observations.
Great review but I'll never understand taking a shower with a watch on
I only go with my apple watch
Yea steam is no bueno
How do you time the 2 minutes necessary for the conditioner to remain in your hair?
How sharp is this watch - can you use it for shaving you might ask - the answare you are looking for starts at 3:00
I have an 1861 and was going to sell it to buy a new one. I instead decided to just buy the bracelet since the Omega boutique sells it for $680.
did u just ask the boutqiue if u can buy a bracelet
@@15v1c1 Yes, I did. They will even install and size it when it comes in.
@@xekret thanks mate I have a moon phase trying to get a metal bracelet
Showcase, another great review. I have said it many times before, it's the best Chrono on the market for the money.
Another greAt video James. Congrats my friend on the beautiful new Speedy!
I imagine they will be finishing the edges off more since the TWC review. Why wouldn't you correct an issue in response to such honest feedback? Nice review though, subscribed.
A different style of review and utterly enjoyed every minute. Well done sir.
I really prefer the 1861 to be honest. That dark grey dial really makes the hands pop, and feels less cluttered. Got mine for 2k less than the 3861. I wear mine on straps anyway, so the size is perfect. Totally love it
This was a great video to help with my purchase of a Speedmaster. Thanks,
A real life review by a real owner! I own the same watch in the sapphire version and I couldn’t agree more on everything he pointed out about this watch, especially on the edge sharpness.
Just a few more things.
- The watch feels lighter than it looks thanks to the new tapered bracelet.
- It has only one more micro adjustment, compared to typical two, but the links are relatively smaller than other watches’ so the fitting hasn’t been a problem for me.
- The winding experience is a lot better than I expected. I rarely hear people complaining about the crown on my Navitimer. Good thing it’s an automatic piece or I would’ve lost my fingerprints over the years LOL.
Hey James - I just picked up a Speedmaster 105.012 reference 321 movement. It is a true beautiful well loved, well cared for piece of art. Beautiful case, crown, bezel, dot of 90, dial, creamy amazing markers. I’m so lucky to have been bestowed as a steward of this timepiece. Truly amazing. I love the horse on the back with no Omega Flight Qualified print - just - Speedmaster, and original bracelet too. This is Hodinikee grade; It is a piece of art no doubt.
Thanks for sharing your review; keep up the great work.
Obviously theirs more polished reviews but this is one of the best ones of this watch. It’s a vintage watch with modern build quality and a beautiful one at that. The clasp and bracelet look really elegant and comfortable. I think I’m getting one. I’m glad someone has put the stupid sharp edges thing to bed. Funny how the guy who started it got the Rolex your watch is in call straight after 🤔 it’s almost like he planned it. Remember a Rolex might be a good investment if you get the right one at retail but good luck with that 🤦🏻♂️ on the whole watches are a bad investment unless you love watches and enjoy wearing them. I don’t think Omega will be doing any discount on theses for a long time if at all.
you’ll be able to get 20% off from AD.
@@davidkaplan5517 dream on. Those days are gone I’m afraid. I know people who work in Omega AD’s and they are not giving away discount on the new Speedmaster.
@@leeharding8306 BS. Give it 3 months they’ll be discounted everywhere but Omega.
I just bought a 1861 from a local AD. I got offered 10 percent off on the 3861.
@@apathyboy5306 lol and it’s only been out a couple months. These are mass produced. Anybody saying it’s not gonna get discounted is nuts.
Best and most enjoyable down to earth information. Thank you
I got me new moonwatch for $3,855 from the US Military Exchange...nylon strap and hesalite. I couldn't pass up the deal. My first omega speedmaster. So excited to get home and wear this iconic watch.
I would think that the previous 1861 rated for 50m water resistance will be at least pressure tested... I cannot imagine Omega would give a rating without at least pressure testing it. As for warranty, my understanding is that it will not cover water damage... they can blame it on operation of pushers when in contact with water or wear and tear of seals... I wind my 1861 almost everyday, I would imagine the crown stem rubbing against the gasket will accelerate the wear on it. Lets say even if I pressure test it every year and on the 4th year the test still came out fine but that doesn't mean it will not give way before the 5th year right? After all its a 4yr old rubber with constant abrasion with the crown stem.
Not true on the warranty statement.
James, a spot one video, you say it as you see it. That's what makes this a great video. If I was in the market for a new watch the 3861 could well end up on my list. Good to hear your real world views on the sharp edges that is allegedly is a huge issue with the Seamaster 300M as well, odd as I have no issues with a 2020 model.
My A.D said people are buying the 3861 bracelet and throwing it on their 1861. I might do the same down the track. At the moment im enjoying my 1861, i like the lineage of the line. I Will probably pick up a 3861 years down the track, for a discount.
Very nice vid showcase. Subscribed.
Watch out. The lugs on the 3861 are 1mm shorter. I put an old bracelet on the new watch and they extended past the lugs. So flip that for the other way around. This might not bother everyone but it would me.
Very nice review - I own the 1861 hesalite and I like it better than the new Speedmaster (but hey that is just personal :-) ) I am always in the water with my 1861. If a 5000 euro Omega cannot handle a ittle water it is not worth the name Omega. But do not dive with a speedy. I had contact with an Omega spokesman and he guarateed that swimming and showering waas just fine, the only thing you have to do is service the watch in about 5 year. Omega would never spoil their reputation with a leak watch. So service once and a while and enjoy the watch on land and in water.
I own a 1996 861 and I'm definitely buying the the new hesalite 3861.
Is that Bigfoot I can see in the background?: nicely paced review!
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Great watch James. I think I’m going to stick with my 1861 simply because I prefer it on strap . I might look at purchasing the new black strap though if it available separately.
So what do you think about the bracelet aside from the looks? The more I have checked it out it seems like the bracelet is a bit on the light side. Is it hollow links or what? Looks good to me but almost seems cheap because of how light it is.
I saw this watch in person yesterday; and was thinking the same thing. It is "so" lightweight that I wondered if it has hollow links?
@@scott7841 yeah I have checked them out a few different times trying to decide on purchasing it and though the bracelet is much more attractive than it’s predecessor it does seem a bit flimsy.
I guess it's made out of different steel alloy, kinda like rolex with their steel bracelet. I guess it's an update as well as the old bracelet kinda have problems with rusty links due to contact with really sweaty users.
Absolutely love this watch my friend if I didn't have my Breitling Navitimer I would have definitely pick this up also love the location such a great idea keep up the awesome word kind regards Mr GMT
Great review! Thanks for helping me justify having a 57 Reissue, 1861 Hesalite and a 3861 one day. I so like the idea of going sapphire sandwich with the 3861.
Don’t wear your watch in the shower hot tub or sauna it wrecks the seals.
depends what watch but there’s some risk
@Johhny Johnstone is yours the new one Johhny, or older model?
@@perardua1861 totally agree 👍 it makes no sense
I am doing some serious tyre-kicking of watches at the moment. I have whittled it down to an Rolex Oyster Perpetual or the new Omega Speedmaster ‘Moonwatch’.
I have watched about a dozen online reviews of the Omega. There’s a really, really detailed review by an Austrian dude who really knows his watches. The rest of the reviews - no disrespect intended - are weak.
I shuddered when I see ‘reviews’ consisting largely of ego-stroking face-to-face time with Big Shots from Omega HQ. You gotta have concerns about the objectivity of such reviews. Another concern I would have is about whether or not these ‘reviewers’ are actually buying the Omegas with their own cash?
I accidentally stumbled across this review and - to my shame - I was just about to change channel (I was puzzled by the video being shot in an alpine pasture), until I heard that the reviewer had actually bought the Omega in his hand. Respect!
Very honest and personal review. Upon finishing the review, I subscribed to the channel. Similar to your advice on having one example of both the Hesalite and the Sapphire Omegas, I know that I will only be content when I have bought both the Rolex and the Omega.
Great review, sir. My compliments. Keep up the good work.
Great review. Immediately subscribed.
Excellent video James.
I never realized how sharp the edges are, but you'll only notice it if you run your finger along the edge (which normally you'd never do), otherwise it's unnoticeable on wrist.
Great video. You mentioned checking the seals once a year. How do you get the seals checked? Can you describe that process?
i am a comletely Rolex addicted, however this is the first omega I desire! nice arguments my watch friend
Still,, it shouldn't have that edge. As a hobbyist machinist, you don't leave edges like that. On anything.
I agree, if it had nice smooth edges there would be nothing to debate. We could just be discussing it`s strong points which are many.
I'm wearing a 3861 right now and I agree with you. It shouldn't have that aggressive of an edge.
The reason you shouldn't shower with you watch (personal preference but also recommended not to do so) is so the expansion and contraction of the gaskets due to heat and cooling of temperature can compromise the overall seal and potentially let in moisture. When watches are tested for water resistance it is rare that includes any sort of temperature gauging and as such that isn't something necessarily accounted for in the WR rating.
I say this humbly as someone who had his luminox navy seal "dive" watch fill with steam in the shower some years back. xD
I don't see the reason to shower with a watch on, I even take my G shock off to shower after a days hard work.
Just found your channel. Thanks for the video. What do you think of the new 321 Ed White?
Nice review. With regards to water resistance on a watch - always divide it by 3 to be careful. General water tests are on a non moving watch head which is submerged at X metres of depth. If you move at that particular depth, you instantly increase the pressure by a factor of 1.5-2.
Great video. Thanks
Just tried one on yesterday. To me the edge is sharp and as was the bracelet. Wasn’t enough for me to pass on it. But definitely felt it...just trying to decide if i want this or a seamaster for my first omega.
From a owner of a seamster 300m blue, get the moonwatch without any doubt !!! The bracelet of the seamaster is a pain in the a**e, the clasp is was to thick and it feel uncomfortable, I tried the 3861 and 1861 these days and I decided to get the 3861 sapphire version
Nice Review, well I had it on my wrist in the Boutique, clasp is small and no pusher microadjustment- why? Do you think going swimming with the 1863 is more dangerous ? Because it has no Metas ?? Thanks
Does the new version bracelet fit the 1861? Great vid
Interested in this also
I’m pulling trigger on it for my 66 th birthday That’s next yr. Well better late than never
Great video! Thank you
Went to the watch boutique and compared the 1861 vs the new 3861. I walked out with the 1861. To me the bracelet for the 3861 is way to flimsy and delicate. IMHO it leans towards a woman's bracelet...style wise. Also I prefer the case and dial on the 1861. So it comes down to movements. Sure the 3861 movement is an upgrade but the 1861 is basically a 861 movement and both have been to space and are solid. So I decided to save $2k and buy the 1861. Just my 2 cents.... Cheers!
@@MT-kx2uc I didn't make a mistake. Plus it was cheaper because it was a holiday sale.
Congratulations again! Speedy is only my Omega and will be. So you have Apollo50th and professional which both made of 3861 movement. Will you still get Snoopy which make you have 3rd watch with the same movement but different outside?
Two small things I don’t like about the 3861 speedy is the big omega font they used and second the chronograph pushers are shorter than the 1861. Other than that it’s perfect.
Mate, great video! I have just got a 1861 - I guess it is one of the last of the old model. Sapphire sandwich, gorgeous box as you know - has WL. Date 09/20. Do you think that will go up in value?? I’m thinking to keep it boxed and maybe get the 3861 to wear!?!?! Or I could just wear the 1861?? Have big wrists so not worried about the bracelet... what are your thoughts????
This is my dream watch
Great in depth video James. Love these outdoor style reviews. I was worried the bracelet would be too jingly jangly and would take away from the wearing experience, but I do believe Omega has done very well. I was also worried about the size of the clasp, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you said Omega is aiming to create a vintage styling with high quality modern build with the new speedy. My only critique would be the lack of on the fly adjustment, but that's just my personal opinion.
Much better than some 21 year old with no Rolex sitting in a chair talking watches... oh wait 😳
Great review
Not every person is going to understand you and that is Okej. They have a right to their opinion and you have every right to ignore it, opinions are like nose, everybody got one but it usually has a couple of holes in it. :)
Good solid review, I wanted to see it with daylight.
I have an 1861 and recently bought this one. I like everything but the bracelet. The jury is still out for me on the bracelet. It is a bit dainty but may grow on me.
I bought the Ed White Cal 321.... it's the only Omega I own, and the one of the only ones I'd want to. If I wanted the best movement.. I'd get a Lange or even a Daytona .. The whole reason to own a Speedmaster is the history and that beautiful Lemania designed movement... and the vintage case and bracelet is also much nicer in the new modern manufacturing style.
Pls don't put Lange and Daytona in the same sentence when talking about best movement.
They're in very different leagues.ALS movements are haute horologie... Rolex are mass produced by machines. Where Rolex wins over ALS is publicity marketing.
Regards.
Hi James.
In the UK, which ADs do you think are likely to offer the best discount on this (even if waiting 6 months) and which the worst?
Cheers
Tough question hes cashed up and just buys
@@jarrodlee1506 Berrys are offering 10% on line - you just need to ask
@@Mark..P The 10% appears to be for the outgoing model if Im not mistaken.
@@marktime61 No. I got it for the 2021 model. The code I was given was THANKYOU10.
@@Mark..P well done you. My AD said no discount as it’s new. I have handled it and edges are sharp, not that it felt uncomfortable on the wrist. Whilst it may not be an issue they should have rounded slightly IMO. What’s your impression wearing daily? I’m still pondering. Thanks
What if it is my first speedy? Should i go for 3861 for hesalite? Or 1831? Tricky thing is my ad told me there is a undiscounted sapphire is ready for in a day or so
I'm in the same boat. Plus it will be my first mechanical chronograph. My experience with Co-Axial movements, is that they seem to hold up incredibly well in all conditions. So I am seriously leaning towards the 3861
For me i ll choice the 1861 .... she ' s like the 321 and 821 ...in the moon...not the coaxial.....
What do u think about ed white speedy, that new(old) caliber 321
What does the “dot” over 90 mean? Ive heard several reviews mention this.
When you check the bezel of the watch. This new one has the dot "above" the number 90. On the old one the dot was on the right side of the 90 and not "above"
@@nielsmensink509 But why a dot at 90 in the first place?
Nice thoughts on the newer MW, I have the older Sapphire Sandwich got a good price from an AD and happy with it. If and WHEN I get another speedy, I'd probably go for one of their sports auto's, probably with a white dial.
Only just found your channel; enjoyed this video and have subscribed! Question: are you still enjoying the 3861? I'm planning to purchase (will be my first Omega) so am interested in your ownership experience. They're difficult to get at retail here in Singapore, so I'm researching availability in the UK (I'm back for Xmas); are they available? Cheers, Rich
Hi mate, you’ll pick one up in the UK easily. Do they go for above retail in Singapore?
They're all sold out in many parts of the world. Long waiting lines at zero discounts.
Excellent real world review.. Pre-owned is still the way to go when purchasing an Omega. While it’s true that every collection needs a Speedy. I’m just not convinced that this is the best Speedy to own.
I think it depends if you’re a movement advancement guy or if you’re a history guy. Personally it would bother me to have the 1861 and not be COSC certified. I think the new model is perfect just too expensive.
2 years is my guess
It is a great Video Mate. I am ready to purchase my first Omega. I am debating between the Omega Seamaster 300M and the Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch 3861. What do you think that i should do? Much appreciated the help mate and keep the good work. Cheers
I have both. If you Can you afford it you then go that Way. The Sea is sporty and the speed more classic.
Knocked it out of the park on this Showcase! My bank account hates you right now lol 😂
Does it have a micro adjustment clasp ?
No
@@Damo-gq6wl no good 2 me then got a 2017 planit ocean 8500 movement skyfall , had 2 buy 1 still fits terrible 2 be true can't get away with it
It has 2 points to micro adjust it but not on the fly, you would have to use tools etc
@@Damo-gq6wl ok thanks
Micro adjustment only available with their dive watch I think. Thus why they got two couple holes in the clasp that you could readjust with a tooth pick.
I'm not sure that I like the changes to it, especially the bracelet but like anything that is changed and made newer it will take some getting used to and maybe I'll like it better than the old.
Has anyone else ever thought that the dial on the Speedmaster is difficult to read? I have a fairly new speedmaster and I've hardly worn it over the last 5 years. I think that's because it's a chore to read and it's frustrating. Lack of contrast in hand thickness to dial markings, a busy dial, and tachymeter that serves no purpose but just adds to the confusion. I've developed the opinion that I don't really think this is an awesome watch anymore, it's useless to me almost, and people just own it because they think they need to?
Interesting to read your comments but still have an itch I need to scratch! If you’re in the Uk maybe you would consider selling? Till I’ve owned one I won’t be able to get it out of my head 🤦🏻♂️
@@philnelson2607 In Canada! Personally, I choose my explorer over the Speedmaster every time. That wasn't my original intent either, it just doesn't really help me tell the time TBH. :(
Anyone have experience with the Uncle Seiko 1479 compared to this new bracelet?
I am calling my ad trying to get this!
I have the watch simple words beauty , quality and functionality
First 1861 big box, then 861, then 1967-8 321, then 3861 and then one of the versions in sapphire, also one with brownish dial..That is how your collection should look like.🙂
This new 2021 c3861 Speedmaster Professional released on 5th Jan 2021 has a long waiting list as at 28 Feb 2021 in Singapore. Having owned a Sapphire since Jan 2021, this piece is definitely the best modern moonwatch that is worth every dollar even with the price increase. Some grey market dealers are asking slightly more than 10% above retail. Did you mention longer service interval on this new movement?
Yeah... Metas certified watches have longer service interval as its coaxial escapement has no need much lubrication, it only act as a bumper, but not for lessening the friction unlike the most of swiss lever escapement that widely used in modern watch.
I am looking at getting an Omega Speedmaster Professional and was leaning towards the sapphire model. My friend said I would regret not getting the hesalite model in the future if I get more interested in collecting and he claimed the hesalite was the better watch. Im not sure if that's just him being bias because he is a collector and might be loyal to the watches history but as someone who likes to see the movement and is going to wear the watch a lot I feel like the sapphire model would be better for everyday wear and tear. Could anyone clarify is one model better than the other and also is my friend just being bias towards the hesalite model due to its historical accuracy. Thanks in advance
I've been going back and forth between the hesalite and sapphire version, but ended up buying the sapphire. I was sold by the look of the hesalite - and was at some point contemplating on exchanging the sapphire for the hesalite after my purchase - but the sapphire really grew on me (also aesthetically). I looked at 100 videos on how to polish hesalite glass to convince myself I could live with the idea of having such an expensive watch that is relatively easy to watch. However, now owning the watch for 1 month, I would go crazy if I would scratch it already..it just wouldn't work for me, I would rather have some piece of mind as I wear it everyday. Furthermore, the display case is beautiful and the polished bracelet gives it a bit more definition in my opinion..But the choice is hard..If there was a domed sapphire version, it would make the life of many consumers a bit easier ;-)
@@Bartseli I ended up getting offered the Rolex DateJust from the boutique near me so I bought that. Will definetly get a speed master in future though
Yes I noticed the dial color in direct sunlight. The 1861 is more of a matte dark grey. The 3861 is a flat black dial. It's difficult to see the step dial at first. There really isn't much of a big difference between the 1861 vs 3861. Still both winners IMO. I am going to buy the 3861 brushed bracelet for my 1861. I love the matte grey tone in sunlight. It makes it stand out. The only con on the 1861, no hacking & no COSC. Other than that OMEGA did right by this new 3861. This is very encouraging and gives us fans some assurance these 3861 are the next option for Speedy owners, and these 3861 are here to stay for a long time. Great review James bravo sir. I am looking for an Explorer 39mm. If I can get one I want to bring my collection back down to 2 pieces Speedy & Explorer. Then focus on a Panerai 372, JLC Reverso duo face medium & in some years from now. My grail a JLC Ultra thin perpetual Dr. Strange or a Reserve De Marche for the time being....
Terrific unbiased and knowledgeable review - bought the sapphire sandwich and I'm uber impressed by the accuracy, style, and comfort. Omega and the 3861 is a major league timepiece!