RV Slide Out Roller Supports | Schwintek Slide Issues | Slide Out Supports | Full Time Family
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2020
- 💥 Our Schwintek Bedroom slide has been a pain in our side almost the whole time we have had our rig. And we haven't even had it that long! If you search the internet, you will find the schwintek slide system is not the most popular system out there.
💥 In this video we address an issue with the rollers starting to crack or break through the bottom of the slide. The only place that we started to notice was at the far outside edge. This appears to be where the rollers sit on the slide when the slide is retracted in for transport or storage. We didn't want this to become a bigger issue down the road.
💥 We were able to find where people have used aluminum strips for the rollers to ride on but since we try to save as much money as possible and stay on budget, Jordan went to looking in his dad's scrap pile. He was able to find a partial sheet of 1/8" steel and there was just enough.
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⭐ How-To ⭐
1) Measure from the outside edge of your slide-out floor to the edge of your roller. You will want to add about 2" so that your support will go between your roller and the floor. Also, measure the width of your roller. Ours was 5" and we added 2" to each side for a total of 9".
2) We had 3 rollers so we cut out 3 supports that measured 35.5" x 9".
3) Grind all edges smooth with the grinder and flapper wheels and remove any surface rust from the metal.
4) Paint the supports to the color of your choosing.
5) Pre drill the holes in your supports. We choose to space our about every 6" on both side edges of the support.
6) Place the adhesive caulk to one side of the support.
7) Set one end against the slide roller and the floor. Use a rubber mallet to tap the support between the roller and floor until it will sit flush with the outside edge of the floor.
8) Press the support into place against the floor. (It helps to have an extra set of hands here.
9) With one person holding the support up, you can then screw the support into place. Be sure to start at the outside edge and work your way towards the roller.
10) Test the operation of the slide once all supports are in place to ensure nothing is binding.
💥 We have had nothing but issues with our Schwintek Slide system. In this video you see the slide doesn't come in all the way and pretty much stops working. We made an appointment with Cousins RV in Colorado Springs CO. www.cousinsrv.com/ This is the 2nd time we have had this slide into them for work. The first trip they replaced one of the motors. This time, the other motor had a short in the wiring harness. They replaced the harness and that was all this time. We have also had issues with leaking because of this system as well. If you do a search on the internet you will find this is a common issue.
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Have a 2015 Lance 1995. Dinette slide. Same issue as your bed slide - minor (at this point) rollers pressing in. Thanks for posting the fix and letting us know how it's been going years later!
As someone else commented I limit how much load I keep in the outside accessed hatch area and inside drawers beneath dinette seats. Just cords, hose, water and sewer accessories. Also place supports under inside of slide bottom when pulled in for travel. Suspect the supports are more important when on non-paved roads...and perhaps even more important on non-paved or bumpy roads given the flexibility of the Lance's component frame....
Awesome upgrade I need this for my big country!! You can definitely see where the rollers dig into the floor
Thank you! It has seemed to definitely help and has made the slide move a little easier
Love those roller supports!
Thanks for the tutorial!
Thanks for checking it out jim!
Looks good. Great job.
Thanks Bob!
Great video and now I will be going and looking at my slides.
Thank you. We've found through our research that this is common with these
@@HayesHumbleHomestead Would you put some kinda D seal to fill the gap?
@@wingede10 which gap are you referring to?
Thanks for tutorial
Thanks for checking it out chris!
Thank you.
Great video great learning experience a lot to learn here it's not always your fault you could have just ran to slide in and out without the installing the slide roller guides not could have been the same fail you prevailed we all learn great video appreciate it
Thanks for checking it out. It's all a learning experience and something new every time
I'm going to take a look at mine soon as I get a break in the weather which will be in a couple of days
Amazing video, I am having this issue, but its worse on my slide-out. Will be doing this Asap when I get to my final destination.
Thanks for the amazing video and a great fix to a serious problem. P.S.; these manufacturers are honestly pathetic.
Thanks for checking it out! Glad you found it useful! Good luck on your install and let me know if you have any questions
Great tips
Thanks for watching! Let us know if you have any questions!
Thanks
No problem
Amen!!!
If you pull the screw on the outside and lift up on the electric motors to disconnect them from the gear shaft you can push the room in freely typically. Make sure to drop the motors back down to secure the room in afterwards.
We have had to do that a time or two when one motor failed until we could get it replaced
@@HayesHumbleHomestead yes sir it's always something with these rigs just like you said.
As a aircraft structures guy, get a counter sink bit and counter sink the screw holes, cleaner install and stronger/looks cleaner. just an opinion is all....lol
good video.
Yes it would look a lot better. Just working with what I had at the time though. Since I didn't have one I made sure to make the supports wide enough that the rollers wouldn't have to roll over the screws. I will have to look into getting a counter sink bit and redoing it though so it looks better. Thanks for the tip!
The Camper House over sized drill bit works in a pinch, just Tuch it a small bit check the fit and do it a little at a time.... too much and it will blow a hole through it.....do what you have to in order to make it work!!!Self reliance is worth its weight in gold!!!
@@alaskamike1559 I have tried that method before but like you said a little too much and you blow right through it. I was nervous about that but I agree with you, it can look much better and cleaner with the counter sink bit! Ill add this back to the end of my honey-dos!
The Camper House there are washers you can get called Tinnerman’s, that are at almost every Home Depot/Lowe’s/ace hardware.....in a pinch it’s a quick way to get a smaller screw head to fit a blown out hole.....I’m all about whatever works!!
@@alaskamike1559 Never heard of them but I will check it out. I'm all about learning new things and ways to make something better.
I have a slide out that I need to add rollers to, I bought the rollers last year, I’m afraid that I don’t have the clearance between the floor and bottom slide, any insight?
Thanks for the video! Are you guys still full-timers?
We are! We're presently playing snowbird with a bunch of friends.
Smart...forestriver sent me the sheets u need as this is a common problem....for my slide!!!
The more I researched it the more I found a lot of people to have the same issue.
I wonder if Forest River is installing the sheets at the factory now?
@@szinski they should. It's definitely needed. I've noticed that some of the newer grand designs are coming with a full sheet of filon or something similar that completely covers the bottom and doesn't leave any wood exposed.
F.R. contact?
Good video. So to make sure I understand your process, you used 1" screws? Those didn't penetrate the floor at all? Also, I agree using thicker metal than thin aluminum is better but do you think that metal thickness caused the track to bind up because it did not take into account the slide is at a different level after the metal was installed? Schwintek is so picky. Thank you too for mentioning a good dealer in COS. That helps many other RVers.
The screws didn't penetrate through the floor. The thicker metal didn't seem to affect the slide track at all. There is quite a bit of slop in it.
I've seen a video explaining that the electrical part on the left side of the slide might be a little bit loose you just have to push it back in and your slide will go back in completely that device is located on the top of your slide on the left if you're facing away from the trailer
I'll have to keep that in mind if we have any issues. It seems it always something with these slides
I have a skid puck instead of a roller would this work for me
Drill, counter sink before paint… and heavy
About how long are the screws you used?
Is the metal strip between the roller and floor when completely extended? I wondered about needing to jack up the slide, but it appears you were able to get the sheet metal between the roller and floor with a couple of hammer taps
Yes the metal runs the full length of the slide and is still between the roller and the floor when fully expended. I thought I may have to jack it up but there is enough play on there to wiggle it in and tap it with the hammer
Oh one more question, on your solitude have you had any problems with the rubber under the slide deteriorating or breaking. We have been full time just over a year now. (Camper is a 2019 3340rl , so she sat on the lot for a bit new before we got her.) but since about 6 months on we noticed little bits of rubber. Now living room rubber is really deteriorating and kitchen is just starting. Just curious if you have had any issues. We Lube so not like it’s dry. Going to contact GD to see if they have suggestions for diy fix or worst case Mobil tech. Not bringing to a dealer. Shopped our dealer (3rd camper in 20
Years, learned lesson after first one!) 2nd dealer was our favorite but didn’t carry what we wanted for full time. Anyway, thanks for any advice. And definitely going to do what you did for the roller. Ours is happening under the fridge. Been a problem since day one, we noticed Roller issue. They fixed, seemed ok except noticeable dent in floor after they did. But all works ok so we left it. But now getting roller damage outside. Thanks again!!! Great video!!! Super well done also!!!
Thank you for the feedback! We haven't had any issues with the seal under the slide deteriorating. We've had to replace all the exterior ones around the slides just because of age they were starting to warp and not form a right seal.
Great video, what size screw did you use? My slide is "hopping" when I slide it in and out, so I will be adding rollers and the plates as well. You did mention that you had no alignment issues after adding the plates correct?
I'm not sure of the screw length now. I'm guessing around 1/2-3/4 inch screws. We have not had any alignment issues and it seems to work more smoothly now
@@HayesHumbleHomestead awesome. Thank you for the info..
Great job.. steel is the best... weight of those things isn't enough to matter
I know the motor part was a bummer but any updates on the metal sliding pieces? Would you do anything different?
Everything has been working perfectly! Slide seems to operate more smoothly now. I would highly recommend to keep those rollers from cutting into the wood subfloor
Is this true?
The clearance between your slide T edge/fascia and the cut-out sidewall has grown to a point where making adjustments cannot overcome the excessive clearance. That is why we add an additional seal on the inside, in order to make up for the excessive gap. This happens sometimes after slides get old and maybe have had a lot of use, the structure of the slide frame work can get to a point that it is not plumb, or square, anymore. Consequently the geometry of the slide is no longer the way it was when it was first built.
I haven't heard that before but wouldn't be surprised if the structure of the slide can get out of square. These things aren't built to the highest standards or built to last.
Would a D seal weather strip help the gap?
Even though the plates are thin, would it not still add some height to the slide box hardware in relation to the schwintek gear. Do you think it would put a strain on the gearing and track?
No it does not make a difference. These things aren't precision engineered so there is plenty of play to add the plates.
@@HayesHumbleHomestead not, there is some clearance within the Gibb/guide wheel but need to be sure it does not jam it up too high. That was my question all the way through if 1/8 inch was too much and it should have been 1/16 inch.
hey guys-- i am having a similar issue with mine... curious as to how you finished the bottom of your slide. did you add any material? mine has a tarp like material over the wood.
Ours was bare wood under there. I thought of painting it or covering with a similar tarp but my fear was if water was to get into the wood there from a leak then I wouldn't catch it until the floor was falling out. We previously had a leak issue and I caught it early because I could see under the slide was wet. I see all of the newer trailers have that tarp material on there which makes it look nicer but I like the peace of mind seeing it.
Also, the addition of plate steel, any problem with alignment?
No issues so far and it's been a year and a half.
Did you have room for the plates with the swintech slide and have you had any more problems with them after the installation
There is some play with the schwintek slides so no issue there. We did this as a preventative measure and did not have any problems with the plates in the 2.5 years we traveled with this trailer.
@@HayesHumbleHomestead thank you
Steel plate but still this is how the mfg should build them. I have the same problem with my cable slide. Sadly I have some water damage too
Unfortunately they are building them just to get out the door and not building them to last
Did the metal plates help the Slide out move smoother? We have both on our 5th wheel, Schwintek and BAL Cable Slide. The problem is with the Cable Slide and I'm gonna try your fix on it. Our Schwintek works fine so far.
Yeah it seemed to make it roll a little smoother so I would give it a shot
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The problem with our Cable Slide is similar to yours. I have 5 Rollers under the slide, 2 of which on both ends are beginning to dig grooves in the underfloor Plastic. Funny how the slide comes in really good, but going out, very slow.
I will probably use Aluminum plate, cut to fit. I've measured it and a 6 inch wide piece will easily clear the rollers! I also have a Schwintek Slide directly above the Cable Slide, "It's called a SLIDE IN SLIDE" I am seeing similar problems with this one too. So will make the modification to that slide as well.
You would think the RV Manufacturers would have thought about this when designing and building these RV's! I mean they could have easily put a full sheet of Aluminum under these slides, verses that cheap Plastic Garbage that obviously wears out!
Thanks for the reply.
Jeff
@@OnlyDrones Jeff I agree but we all know they try to build these a cheap as possible for maximum profit. Good luck with your install. If you have the capability I would countersink the screws. I didn't do that and wish I did
Question… always wondered how long are the fasteners???
They were only 1/2 or 3/4 inch
I hope those screws you put in there don’t scratch the floor as it goes in and out.
Plenty of clearance.
Has this metal ever bent or curved so that it scrapes your floor as it slides in? I’m nervous about what material we use to cover up the scrape marks because of the easily scratched linoleum on the floors.
We never had an issue. It was outside carpeted in the bedroom and we removed the carpet and put linoleum in. This area was under the bed, but it lifts up for storage and we never noticed anything with it scratching. I have seen people out the soft side of carpet under the edges of breeds where they slide to keep the contract smooth, but we never had an issue.
@@HayesHumbleHomestead ok thank you! We will give this a try!
We have a Reflection 290BH and have had nothing but issues with our Schwintek slide. Did you have vertical alignment issues after adding the sheet metal plates in? My concern would be with the tracks on the sides. They have no vertical play in them.
No we didn't have any issues with the vertical alignment. It was just coincidence that it didn't work after installing those supports but they had nothing to do with it. There was a pinch in the wiring harness causing a short. The guys at the shop check everything else when doing the harness and said that everything looked good after I added those supports. It's only an 1/8 inch so it's very minimal. The operation seems even smoother after adding them in.
@@HayesHumbleHomestead good to know. I might try this with mine to see if it improves its operation. Ours is a larger slid with the refrigerator and dinette and it sounds super slow and strained the whole time. Sometimes it won't close and stalls out partway.
@@arontoday8766 luckily ours is our bedroom slide with just the bed. With talking to the guys at the shop they said the ones on the bigger slides are even worse than the smaller slides. They said the small slides they do ok but any weight on them and they struggle. Even the king bed with the storage under them is a strain on them.
Did you have any luck with your fridge slide. Ours is also doing that as well under the fridge. Hoping that’s the only problem.
And thanks for the video! This is great, hopefully that’s our problem with the fridge slide in our solitude . Easy fix if it is! Let’s hope!! Thanks for making a great video!!
Question..when you put the plates on the bottom what did it do to the gears and slides that it rides on ? Does it put it out of specs or does it all move together? If I do this I dont want it to lift the slide out up and it not ride in the groves its design to.
Everything still works as it should. There is plenty of slop in the gears to allow for the little extra thickness of the plate
@@HayesHumbleHomestead ok thanks after I posted i went and read some of the other Q&A i seen you already answered my question..on another question I'm having issues with tje left side of my side out lagging when the slide starts to move and it pulls away from the camper like it not mounted solid to the wall what could that be caused by ?
@@nathanwhitaker3712 that I don't know what would cause it. If it is a schwintech it could just be that the motors are slightly out of time
@@HayesHumbleHomestead yea thats what I was thinking too .I even replaced the motors last yr .I bought is used and I think the previous owners was having the same issue cause they had new motors and the harnesses in the storage. Im think i have structure issues and its not solid .
@@nathanwhitaker3712 that's rough.
We recently discovered that our bedroom schwintek slide is very sensitive when the RV is not level.
It seems that everyone has some sort of issues with them. Ours use to make so much noise going in and out. Since we added those supports it isn't as noisy and seems to come in a little smoother.
My Owners Manual CLEARLY states NOT to open the slides unless the RV is level.
Have you had to replace the floor on that slide?
No we never did in the three years we ran it like this. We did tear out the carpet on the inside though and replaced it with vinyl but nothing structural.
Ok thanks, mine started that way, then eventually rotted.
I got to replace 😢
@@larry710 the schwintek slides are notorious for leaking in those rails
Got an update on this fix?
Worked great with no issues for the two years we had it traveling the country. Countless times in and out.
Someone put plates on my long slide, now they dig into the ceramic tiles and leave a black mark when closed due to the slide bouncing relative to the RV.
Just like everything else, nothing is one size fits all, but this was a great fix for us. The slide rollers were starting to wear through the wood on the underside of the slide and holes in the slide wasn't a good option for us. Maybe it was something similar in your rig? This spot isn't an issue with tile or seeing the flooring at since it's under the bed in this rig.
Great video!
I assume that the 1/8” plate didn’t cause any misalignment with the gear rails on the sides of the slides.
I need to check my bedroom wardrobe schwintec slide and do this mod on my grand design reflection 28bh.
Those schwintek are nothing but problems. Between leaking and motors breaking down they are a pain. I have read nothing but issues with them and yet they are still putting them on rigs.
The Camper House where did yours develop leaks?
@@hardtruth2039 we started noticing water damage under the slide on the edge. Sealed everything I could find and still leaked. Did some research online and found that water gets behind the track of the slide and then makes it wah down to the floor. Seems like a very common issue with these and now the new rigs are coming with filon underneath so you won't be able to see the water damage
The Camper House it’s a shame that they use such garbage equipment on the expensive rigs. We’re you ever able to stop the leak?
@@hardtruth2039 knock on solid wood it seems fixed for now! I'm sure I'll have to keep checking it and freshening up the seal every so often. I've seen a better fix since I sealed mine where the guy takes a track off and puts sealant behind it in the void area. So next time it starts leaking again that is what I will do.
Looks like it could use a few more rollers too.
I actually held up really well for us after we installed these. We were just looking at some friend's rig with them and their slide has no rollers in the slide is not holding up at although 😭
@@HayesHumbleHomestead Thanks for the update.
Have a great night 🍻
My problem is I haven't found where they hid the control module lol lol not a 5th wheel
They get crafty with their hiding spots. I've seen a secondary breaker panel under a stair tread that you would only find if you removed the tread.
I currently not have issues that requires access just wanting to locate for future should need arise so far I have figured out its not if but when the more one uses increase the chances when have 3 slides so assuming there is atlest 3 modules
Curious - if this solution is still working for you well?
Worked for the 2.5 years we had it until we sold. Everything was still solid and working as it should when we sold it
It's coming up on a year since you installed the roller supports. Any hindsights or updates on them?
Hi Chris, so far everything is performing as expected and haven't ran into any issues with our install. We've been moving around the country and have ran the slide in and out dozens of times.
@@HayesHumbleHomestead Thanks for that. Our camper is still fairly new, but seems like there is no reason to let the damage start to occur before installing the supports. Appreciate the update!
@@chriskoran836 the key with campers is preventative maintenance! Good luck!
I wish you would’ve ran the slide in and out after you installed it
Probably ran it in and out a couple hundred times in the years after this install with no issues.
Sorry if I had just waited a couple of seconds you ended up showing that you did run it in and out and that’s when you found out that there was a problem thanks
if the factory knows this is a issue , why don't they fix the problem when there put together
Factory is aware of many issues that they don't rectify. These things aren't built to last. As long as they can hold together through the warranty period then that is good enough for them.
i have a Teflon supporting strip not metal
I know they started using a Teflon later on. I'm sure it holds up just as well and serves the same purpose
@@HayesHumbleHomestead these roller are adjustable you can crank them up an down with set screw
Schwintek are garbage 👎, spent 9 months at camping world , trying to get it fixed, it had to go. Would own another one again.
@ Carolina Four: I do not understand your comment. You say Schwintek are (sic) garbage but that you would own another one.
@@PeterTamblyn sorry, should have said would not own another.
i think to add more support on the topside of the slide because when slide is extended all weight pushing slide down and is only. support by little wheel inside the rack slide. pivot point is on the rollers that not good I see some rv factory they add two rack on upper side of the slide that is much stronger and and slide not tilt when is full extend
funny I new what he mint @@PeterTamblyn
@@bullbutter9699 me 2