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Razer DeathAdder Elite VS Logitech G403 Prodigy
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2016
- Quick comparison between two great mice (and the wireless G403 as well). It really comes down to personal preference and shape... hand size is probably going to play a bigger part because the DeathAdder feels larger.
The good news is that they're so good, you can't go too wrong either way, so maybe check availability and price and let that influence your decision.
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your channel is super under-rated! my go to when looking for a new mouse!
Always good to hear, thanks! :)
I have the elite and love it! I was a claw gripper and now I have switched to fingertip and palm because of the elite and I know prefer it. the difference of using a gaming mouse and a regular $10 Amazon mouse is huge!
Yeah, i Palm and Fingertip too.
And its also a little hard to get a mouse that fits OK with both grip styles.
I switched to finger tip because logitech g pro but it doesnt fit me well. I want to use palm grip again is deathadder good for palm grip
For those of you who are deciding which one of these two you prefer, please read my comment.
After using the Razer Mamba (2012) for 4 years, now it has the double click problem. This frustrates me a lot because I strongly believe that I have not used the Mamba that heavily (not like 3 million click I guess). So, I decide to buy a new one today, Logitech G403, which is recommended by Zy on another video -- Top 40 mice of year 2016.
I always like the build quality and durability of Logitech mouse, but I find that the shape of Razer Mamba / Deathadder is more ergonomic, even for a small-handed person like me.
So, if you really have hard time deciding which one to buy. PLEASE make sure that you try both of them before buying. I did not do that and could not do that since the shop I bought Logitech G403 did not provide a sample to test. Now I am regretting a little because I really like a mouse that is more comfortable in my hand.
However, not everything is good about the Razer mouse also. Software is buggy. The button quality also does not live up to the price you pay.
In MY opinion, if you value the comfort of holding mouse more than the quality, choose Razer Deathadder. Otherwise, if you value the durability more, choose Logitech G403.
PS. Razer Mamba and Deathadder have similar shape.
I just bought G403...Damnnn this is the best shape ive ever met. Suits me PERFECTLY. Changed to it from G502 Proteus Spectrum. The latter is a veryyyy beautiful and powerful mouse , i loved it, but the shape didnt suit me. Its quite narrow and useful for Claw probably grip. I use Fingertrip. Im abbsolutely satisfied and pleased with my new mouse. Btw was choosing between Razer Deathadder , SteelSeries Rival 300/700, Logitech G900. Also bought new pad Logitech G240. Im absolutely in love with my new set up. (Playing CS GO)
what is your handsize?
@@zubairibnferdous1643 18.5cm but currently I use Logitech G305 wireless. Great mouse for competetive fps. Can't go wired again. If your budget allows I would suggest going for G Pro Wireless. But other than G Pro wireless I personally don't really see competitor to G305 wireless especially when it comes to pricing.
@@lex-fridman but which one has a better shape? g305 or g403?
@@zubairibnferdous1643 they are different and it comes to personal preference and hand size, g403 is taller and suits more for claw grip, g305 for fingertip. You cant really say without trying both what suits you. If you go for g305 you will be good any day because it is a great mouse and is symetric. G403 though is specific with shape and may suit you as well as not.
Dude i'm so sad... I bought a G302 2 weeks ago because my DA broke. Now the G403 released here in Brazil and it's like 10$ more than the G302 ;-;
Wow, I'm sad with you! Hope you can figure something out.
Kait0s! LOL Highlights g302 is better
try to sell it, you'll eventually save up later
AlanWMBT No it isn't... The G403 has a better sensor, it's RGB, customizable weight, better cable... And shape if u don't like the G302 one (which isn't my case)
Kait0s! LOL Highlights yeah the shape..... I love my g303's shape
Great video, got my G403 under your recommendation a while back after quality concerns with my last Razer mouse, as well as dealing with the gigantic, brick-tier weight that is the Corsair M65 Pro RGB. With the G403, I don't think I've ever been happier with a mouse, thing just feels godly in the hand and just feels so natural. I typically send people to your channel whenever they ask me for mouse advice, since I play all the precision characters in Overwatch pretty well I get asked about it a good bit. So thanks for putting all these videos out my dude, you help out a lot of people.
I've used both for about a month and would like to offer a few comments that were not discussed in the video:
1. Scroll wheel button on DA Elite is superior to G403. As a person that uses the wheel button for many non gaming tasks (opening new tabs, panning in Revit/Autocad, or other modelling programs), the super stiff click of G403 is even worse ergonomically than G302/303. Also, the bounce back and actuation force of the button is not consistent (cannot spam it). To actuate the click easier you literally have to TILT the wheel to the right instead of pushing straight down. Its impossible to actuate if you tilt the wheel left while pressing down. I understand the wheel button is on the right side, but they picked a terrible button. The DA also actuates wheel click easier if you tilt right, but it feels 2x lighter than G403. Scrolling feel is also lighter and tighter than G403 (even fixed versions of G403 have side to side wobble).
2. Overall build quality is worse on G403. If you open the G403, you will notice the two halves have very little material, and flex easily. This was to save weight. You don't notice this flex as much with the product assembled, but I fear for the long term durability. Squeezing the sides hard will flex this mouse much more than DA.
3. Side buttons on DA is superior both in tactility and quality. G403 side buttons protrude more, have a glossy finish which sticks to your thumb when you press, and because they protrude more, and stick to your thumb, you will often hear a "twang" sound on the bounce back which means the button is being flexed sideways due to sticking to your thumb. This does not give me confidence in the long term durability. DA side buttons are now textured plastic, don't stick to your thumb, protrude less, and actuate with sharp click similar to a Huano switch but with very little travel.
4. LED on the G403 becomes warm. This is further worsened by hump being closer to the rear of the mouse, so your palm to guaranteed to touch the LED. The LED on MAX brightness (default) warms up and causes sweaty palms and mine becomes uncomfortably warm. Setting brightness at 40% or lower helps. The DA hump is closer to middle of mouse so your palm doesn't contact the LED. It also doesn't heat up on max brightness.
5. Spring tension buttons on G403 is somewhat overrated. Razer's manufacturing tolerances on the mouse shell are good enough that they already offer no pre-travel on the primary buttons even without a spring tension. If grab the edges of the G403 primary buttons and move them left/right, they have a lot of play. This is likely due to the design of the shell, but IMO, I believe the spring tension system allows Logitech to get away with lower Quality Control on the mouse buttons as they can make the mouse usable even if the button mold is slightly off and causes pre-travel. My G403 buttons also don't line up perfectly with the base while the DA does.
6. Stock mouse feet on DA is superior. Logitech is using some cheaper PTFE on the G403 and this is immediately noticeable when you peel it and compare it to a quality PTFE feet. The G403 feet are harder, have a thick foam backing (save cost instead of all PTFE) and is more gray than the deep black colour and soft PTFE feet on their previous mice and other quality feet. This extra hard feet along with the foam backing is probably what allows Logitech to state the same 250km durability while saving money, but it feels terrible on any Control surfaces. The G403 feet are also not cut flat - they've got these ridges which will wear over time and change the friction. DA uses the typical high quality PTFE without a cheap foam backing, and cut perfectly flat as one would expect. For a $70-$100 mouse, it is unacceptable for Logitech to not provide the best quality mouse feet.
7. Warranty - Logitech now offers 2 yr warranty same as Razer mice BUT you need proof of purchase generally. Razer mice (once registered, easily done when you install Synapse) do not require receipt and are also 2 yr. To me, this is pretty generous on the part of Razer, as many people lose receipts.
I wanted to love the G403, but these issues really let me down. Hope they make revisions next year.
Sounds like you had a dud g403. Literally everything you said is the exact opposite of what most people who have both of these mice on the internet are saying. It's obvious you're a biased razor fanboy, but there's no point in trying to fish out issues which are 90% you're personal gripe about the mouse rather than it being a g403 specific issue.
If you actually read the problems other people have had with their G403 rather than assuming you know them, #1 (scroll wheel) is the biggest problem where the first batch had loose wheels. I went through 3 G403's before I found a non-dud, and still the MWheel button is too stiff to spam. #3(side buttons) is also a common complaint where reviewers have said it could be better. Conversely, these two points are exactly what most other reviewers say is best about the DA Elite. #2(build quality) if you've ever opened both mice like I have, you'll know how much material Logitech shaved off on this one. Can't flex the DA Elite shell like you can with the G403. #4 (LED) might be just me, and the rest most people won't care.
For the record I use a G502 for work and a G100s(moba) or DA Elite(fps) for gaming paired with a G910 keyboard. Build quality is insanely good on the G502 and the MWheel button on the G100s is so tactile and light because it actually uses a spring micro switch (same as main buttons) instead of the crappy button style on the G403. I I am in no way a "razer fan boy", I use what's good to me and the G403 is disappointing.
Just want to say to any of your viewers. I've used a Razer Deathadder almost exclusively since the very first edition and every new edition since that all the way up until the 2013 edition that I still used until maybe 7/8 months ago.
Since then I've been on a similar but much smaller scale journey as you Zy, I've been through most of the top marketed mice over the past 2 years.
And I've found my perfect mouse in the G403, as someone who used the Deathadder for so long, as someone who felt like no mouse could compare with it in shape for my hand! I feel like the G403 shape is borderline perfect, the weight is amazing, the clicks aren't the most satisfying, but they work very well.
The only thing on this mouse that I would change? I would move the DPI button to the underside of the mouse and make the skates size more comparable to the Zowie EC series mice.
My hands are big too, and the mouse is still super comfortable. I did endup putting some Hotline Gamez Competition level (whatever that means) mouse skates on the mouse though, and they did feel better than stock.
I like having the DPI on top for other binds... I rarely use it for DPI (unless in testing).
Glad you like it though! Great mouse.
Rocket Jump Ninja In CSGO I used mouse scroll up/down for jump for easier Bhops. In COD I used mouse wheel up/down for weapon switch for faster switching and to exploit the reloading animation glitch.
I used it frequently and in a up/down fast flicking motion. It causes miss clicks every now and then of the DPI button or if I used it as a nade bind or something..
And for the sake of one extra button, compared to the functionality I get from using the mouse wheel in this way, to me it's not worth those misshaps.
Ah fair enough, guess it makes sense for different games.
Dude awesome video been waiting for this video like a week already :D
I just can't get over the DA shape. It's fucking perfect
@@novell80 the shape fit my hands i love it! (21cm x 11cm) hand size
After watching your G403 video I was wishing for this exact video! Thanks for reading my mind.
Just got the G403, and I'm very happy with it so far!
are you still using
@@Emre-ff4cc Yes. And I still love it
@@papaquonis What are the dimensions of your hand ? and how do you grip the mouse ?
I'm a 'fingertipper'... if you're a fingertipper too then the g403 is the better choice. The problem with being a fingertipper and using the Deathadder is that there's no real secure place to rest your ring finger in a relaxed position. I just started using the Deathadder in a palm grip and I'm actually practicing the palm grip JUST to use the deathadder (cause it's so comfortable).
Best Advice: Go to a best buy and hold these mice for your self.
Great little video to guide people making their own choices :)
Razer Deathadder Elite vs Razer Mamba Tournament Edition comparison?
Both great mice. I feel like if some one was considering a Razer Deathadder or a Logitech G403 that the Zowie EC1a and EC2a should be on their radar as well. All those mice have a somewhat similar shape and are all 3 well respected brands with decent QA, and good product support.
G403 Wireless is the best all-around mouse i've ever had. For me it's better than EC1/2, Deathadder, G900 and Finalmouse
The wireless is better than the wired
Im using G403 from 2 years now and im getting scroll wheel problem recently where it randomly scrolls up when u scroll down and vice versa, many of the game which rely on scroll jump movement like csgo are almost unplayable to me
Deathadder issue - Double Clicking
Logitech G403 issue - Loose Mouse Wheel and Random Opposite Scrolling of Mouse Wheel
Choose the least problem my gamer friends
Don Vinheisen rather have a weird scroll wheel then double clicking tho
I heard they fixed the g403 loose scroll wheel
g403 vs ec2a
I only can speak for the g403 but this is absolutly amazing. I heard that the zowie has issues with their buttons but it has a better shape instead.
Shape is relative to the person's hand
Pedro Simões i have both, both are great mice, i prefer the clicks of the logitech. Will come down to shape preference i guess
already bought logitech g403 its pretty good but a bit small for me
I have both and i cant get used to the G403 shape
Ominous timing. I sat around for 3 hours trying to make this very decision last night. For me it came down to a couple of things. Current discounts factored in, they are the same price (in the UK). But the Logitech had free express shipping at the moment. It's also lighter which I suppose helps with my fingertip grip style. I have thin, long hands that aren't all that wide (20/9.5) and have used a £10 ambidextrous mouse for years, so I have very little to go-off in terms of 'fit'. Ultimately I've heard good things about the Logitech's quality and it's more likely to be here by Christmas, so I went with that over the Deathadder. Also you personally preferred it. Now it's time to track down a cheap MM300 mat for myself so I can bin the free mouse mat that I've used forever...
What about the on board memory? Is it useful in G403? And Synapse? All the discussions on various websites are filled with bad things about the Razer software.
i like the on board memory of the 403 wireless. i switch from the deathadder a few days ago (because after 4 years of use my left click broke). from my personal experiences i have had zero issue with razer software but do not i never use any of the micros features nor did my 2012 version had on board memory at the time.
for now I really like the 403 and the wireless is simple great. there is no point for me to go wire anymore. my only issue is that its a tide smaller than the deathadder.
Cool. Thanks bro (no pun intended). btw how large are your hands? Mine are around 20.5 cm long and around 10cm wide with thumb included. Will the G403 be large enough?
my hands are around those sizes give and take a few cms(19/9). I'm someone who can adopt to any shape but i do like to palm and slitting have my fingers in arch. the death adder is a littler more comfortable to me because it's slighting bigger but its not enough for me to make me regret anything. the size of the 403 is good just slightly below the deathadder.
all in all it pretty much feels great and the only thing that i compare when buying each are little bit more Size or removal of the cable. i chose the removal of it. if i was going to choose the cable version i may have very well stayed with the death adder. if the future comes up and there a wireless razer (with the same zero difference like the 403) I would prefer the adder because of its slightly larger size/shape.
BrotherO4 Thanks again 😀😀.
i am using the razer software for 2 years now and its good ( at least in my opinion )
I've been using claw grip for 3 years but I recently bought the g403 and its soooo confortable and accurate. now I use hybrid grip , the best mouse I've ever had 10/10
may I know how's your g403 today? do you still recommend it?
@@asahisaiba1072 i have both these mice & g403 is very good if you hvae a smaller hand
@@DezR6 what is your handsize?
Well i used deathadder chroma for around 2 months but i returned it cuz my scroll wheel was pretty loose and was making noise while shaking mouse, since i play at low dpi i move my mouse very quickly and i can hear noise and feel it in hand. Now i got Deathadder elite and im really impressed with it scroll wheel is improved alot and i like shape of the mouse. Your review helped me to chose Deathadder elite over Steelseries 300 so you got a new sub :)
2minute video compare to f*cking 18mins on the other. Greatest reviewer ever!
21 cm hands, just ordered the g403. I'm used to palm but I can basically get away with any grip. Wondering how this will work out.
I disagree about the DA being better for palm grip. I've used both, and honestly the main problem for me is how it feels like the mouse is more of a claw or fingertip for the DA, the back of the DA just doesn't fill my hand right as a palm grip user to control and i found myself constantly adjusting. However the G403 does. Another problem I did have with DA is that I couldn't stay on the X-Axis right, where with the G Pro and G403, I could. And on a preferential note, I don't like the rubberized or textured sides of the DA, nor mice that tend to use those kinds of things. My hand is around 20.5-21cm. Though I forget how wide it is.
That rubberized texture peeled off my deathadder 2013 edition after about 6 months of use... no bueno!
wantafanta01 that's my reason for getting the g403, specifically because the sharp angle of the deathadder's back left me wanting more material to grip onto. I haven't gotten a good chance to test out gaming with the g403 yet but so far it feels much more whole in the hand than my deathadder
edit: the deathadder I'm talking about for comparison is the 2013 version. I'm not sure of the differences between the 2013 edition and the elite, so ignore me if they have different shapes.
oh sorry, I misread your question and thought you were comparing the g403 and deathadder.
yeah if you think the g pro is too small to palm you'll probably be a lot more comfortable with the g403
Exactly.. I should have seen this comment earlier.As a palm gripper, I bought the deathadder elite over g403, but due to the hump being in the middle,my palm does not feel full..Other than tht the mouse is fine!
same, 19 cm here and i can fingertip the da pretty well, g pro just doesnt work for me
I was quite in doubt between the G403 and the DA Elite. Got the G502 but yeah. It's an excellent mouse, but its weight turned out to be a problem. And now I'm about to get the G403. I discovered your channel like 1 week ago and I'm in love already. My way to go when I'm searching for a new mouse, and will recommend your channel to anyone in trouble as well!
How is the mouse, you like it, how is the weight?
@@JLPJLP-ue9nd well, it's been a long time already, and I'm still with the same G403 I spoke earlier. For me was the best choice I ever made for a gaming mouse, and once it breaks, I'm surely going to buy another one of the same. It fits my hand very well, it's pretty light, the buttons are confortable and very durable. I highly recommend it to anyone that's searching for a gaming mouse.
I went to the most popular computer store in my country and wanted to buy the razer mouse. The seller said, No, dont buy it. All of them last only a month. So he gave me the logitech g403 and i love it.
That's all i needed to know.
At 18cm palm size, i have trouble with the Deathadder. It's just too big, and the wider back cramps my hand after a while.
I don't have a defined grip style, it's neither palm or finger, but something in between, but definitely not claw, and i find wide back mice, and/or mice sloping heavy from the back to the forward aft, to be very uncomfortable.
The G403 seems to be a very happy medium.
Gotta try it out.
I agree. I think the 403 is much better. I would say I have average size hands and both mice fit my hand well with palm grip.
If someone's gonna get the 403,get the wired version so you can use the extra weight to fix the balance issue, while keeping it around 100 grams while with the wireless version when you use the weight it becomes to heavy
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Hmm i've had a deathadder for the past 3-4 years but now the left click broke so i might get the Logitech G403 Prodigy
*Rocket Jump Ninja* This video was very helpful. I currently own the G502 and G403. I've been adding a few different mic to my collection and thought about the DeathAdder Elite, but noticed that they look very similar. After watching this video, I've decided not to pursue the Elite. Instead I may purchase the Naga next. Thank you.
Well I went and got a Deathadder Elite despite having pretty small hands.. Having used an old, outdated Logitech G300 for 4 years it definitely took some getting used to so much bigger mouse. Been using the Deathadder Elite for 2 days now and I'm starting to get used to it. I didn't even think of G403 when I was deciding on a mouse. Got confused on all the Logitech mouses and pretty much forgot about them. But I'm happy with the DA Elite :)
i have small and girly hands but i feel the most comfortable with the deathadder, you could say bcs i had the da 3,5 g almost 4 years and then i bought the g402, and now i went back to razer with the new elite.
Just got the G403 Wireless
I previously really liked the Roccat Kone pure for fps and the Mionix Castor for MOBA
Having the G403W I really don't need to pick one of those up again. Though being kinda big for my Taste I came to love the shape and size after some time. Can't compare it to other mice though (zowie, Deathadder ect..)
The wireless is a welcomed bonus but not really that much of a difference. I'd suggest you'd get the wired one unless you really like a clean desk setup
I have both. I personally feel more comfortable with the g403. I'd recommend the g403 if you feel the deathadder doesn't raise the palm enough
Your videos are awesome keep up the good work man oh and btw which country are you from
He is Canadian !!
Got the g403 and I must say the shape is very welcoming and very comfortable. The thumb groove is very nice as well as the bit of the mouse your pinky and ring finger goes to. Overall it's a superb noise device. Quick not mine came with a slight sensor rattle but it doesn't affect your aim at all unless it's really bad and actually moves your cursor. I can't feel or hear it when moving my mouse so It should be good.
Coming from a Razer mouse and switching to a Logitech was a great idea. Most comfortable mouse I've ever had, clicks feel great, scroll wheel feels really good (not too loose or too stiff), and c'mon, it's freaking wireless, that's a plus in my book.
Razer was pretty good too, but I can't go back now, I'm definitely on the Logitech side in the mouse market.
Hi Zy! Good quick comparison vid! I would just like to ask if the g403's shape can somewhat give support on the ring and pinky fingers? I have tried holding a deathadder and i find it comfortable but a bit big.. Just wondering if it has the similar feel with g403?
After using G502 for almost a year, I finally just bought G403 wireless. And it's truly worth it for my CSGO gameplay either used plugged in or not.
But since I'm already used to many buttons on G502, I decided to use the G403 only on CSGO and outside my home.
Thanks Zy, your G403 review helped me a lot.
Anyway are you still using the G403 wireless until now? Any problems you got so far?
I got a Deathadder elite when it came out. Kind of wish I did more research and got the G403 wireless. My hands are rather wide, but I think I've just gotten used to smaller mice over the years. It feels like I have to grip the DA rather far back to get a comfortable fingertip grip, which feels odd.
I would like to see a comparison video between the Logitech G403 Prodigy Wireless and the Razer Mamba Wireless mice
I wanted a g403 but saw the ss rival 300 available for half the price, so decided to give it a try. Delivery on Wednesday.!
My hands are 21x10.5cm and I'm a hybrid palm claw user ..
Arman Talwar I have similar sized hands and the rival is too small for me with that grip. Good luck :D
rival 300 is long but now wide , hope you like tho
yes youre right, its a little narrow but frankly i like it. It fits my play style fine. Maybe the G403 in a few years now ! :)
Best mouse review channel in youtube. Mouse specialist!
Logitech g 403 is better Mouse than Deathadder Elite? You are kiddin right?
No
@@m3rlaut Deathadder Elite ist the best Mouse on the Market at the Moment with the best Sensor. Pwm 3389 is better than pwm 3360.
@@strujalovecs the 403 actually has the 3366. No human can tell the difference between high end sensors anyway these days, the only thing you should look for is shape, size and weight, the 403 is better for most people's hand sizes and grip styles, not to mention it has superior build quality and comes with 2 year warranty. Don't fall for sensor marketing jargon just because it has a newer sensor doesn't automatically make the overall mouse better, if the Deathadder is better for your hand size then buy that, and vise versa.
Technically the G403 Wirless is the same weight in a way because the cable for the wired one is weighing it down.
You could argue something like that, but I was watching my highlights... and I definitely had a lot more with the wired version, and they were overall better. So personally I'm sticking with wired, lighter mice.
yeah for sure I'd definitely go for the wired but I doubt people without mouse bungee would like wired because I've tried gaming without a mouse bungee and it feels like the cable is being weighed down, also the wires get a bit worn out because it's braided, not sure if they fixed the wires on the gaming mice for logitech.
Love your video's man, Can't wait to try out the Logitech G Pro it seems like the perfect mouse for me!!! Anyways keep up the good work if you ever need any help let me know.
Michael B how did you feel with the g pro?
Nice video, good job, man! I put a like on.
I am currently using logitech g402 hyperion fury and I love it!!!
You think reviewing a very classic mouse like the razer boomslang limited edition would be interesting? Would love to hear your thoughts on something really old-school.
I have both of these and It's pretty hard to recommend much else over the wired Prodigy, its like ~30% less expensive than the Deathadder Chroma and as Zy noted its really apparent that the build quality is much better. After owning numerous Razer products, those braided cables always end up fraying at the connector as they seem to use a large, loose weave. The Logitech one is really fat and it seems much more like the high quality braid you find in Sennheiser gaming headphones and Cablemod products, so I would wager it's likely to go the distance. The warranty is also twice as long. The Razer should be cheaper, everything about it is cheaper, but alas, its Razer.
Best mouse reviews on the internet... Thank you for sharing your videos...
The deathadder feels amazing for my hands with palm grip. Do you think the G403 would be a good replacement?
Maxerr MC damn what did logitech do to you
To Rocket Jump Ninja..
I have used the following mouse and haven´t found one i like, wtf do I do? :(
Logitech G303, G402, G502, Steelseries 100, 300, Zowie FK1, EC2-a, EC1-a, ZA11/ZA12/ZA13, Razer Deathadder, Razer Abyssus V2, Dream Machines DM1 and steelseries sensei.
My problem is that I used Steelseries Sensei for 4 years and decided to get a new mouse with optical sensor, but ever since i havent found one i liked... Even the DM1 is not as comfortable though it should be almost the same shape.
My hand size is about 17.5/18cm x 9cm
Grip style is a hybrid where i rest my palm but only my fingertips are touching the mouse.
Btw. I play FPS purely like CS GO
My questions to you:
- What mouse on earth would you recommend me?
- Could you perhabs compare Zowie EC2-A & Logitech G403 or just upload a picture of Zowie FK1/FK2, Logitech G403 and Zowie EC2-A as a size comparison between the 4?
- Thanks!
If at all possible, go to a big electronics store where you can test out a bunch of different mice.
Tiny Hands? Get yoself a Logitech G-Pro or Logitech G303, you will not regret it
g403 is too big for your hands
G403 is not too big for his hands . Same hand dimensions as mine and the G403 is not even close to being "too big". Pretty much as close to perfect as it can get with 17-18cm hands, depending on your preferred grip style.
I used to use a Sensei too (Ikari before that) and I never found a real replacement for the Sensei since I hated the feeling of the Deathadder I got after the Sensei, but I didn't want to throw it away. The ec2a has spin-out problems at random times on my clean logitech cloth pad, so I'm not a fan of 3310 sensors at all. Shape is great, but I like the feel of the G403 better (clicks, buttons, and surface texture fit me really well).
G403 is not the same as a Sensei, though. Until they update the Sensei and give it a top sensor, there won't really be a replacement for it. The Rivals are not at all proper replacements and DM1 doesn't actually feel like a Sensei. I totally agree with your points. But the G403 is great in many ways, the ec2a shape might be even better for you (given you don't have the same problems with 3310 sensors I do).
Unfortunately this is 3 months old, but I hope you find what you're looking for. Just my 2 cents.
I have similar hand as yours (0.5 cm shorter but 0.5cm wider) and cause my mouse is dying I tested mouse shapes today In the mall and I must say deathadder felt the best for me, not giving the impression of being too big. I think I'll be getting it. Seems it really depends what you like I also grip quasi palm quasi fingertip.
i recently bought the g403 and i have large hands, i use the mouse for csgo and in one month of playing i can say i went from gn2 to LE just from improving aim compared to a lazer mouse.
How big are you hands? and which grip style?
FalcoN Lolol i personally don't believe you my friend. 7 ranks in 4 weeks dont seem legit
L ikr
iSkyMaks i got this razer keyboard and its already breaking in a month lmao
Sound like u got nice no recoil macro uhh?? Lol
great comparison, can i ask one thing?
im thinking of getting the DA Elite mouse and im used to using claw grip on previous mice which were small, my hand dimensions are 18.5/9.5
would you recommend the DA Elite mouse for my hand size and still use claw grip?
or would you recommend the g403?
logitech dpi button is less likely to acceidently press and the switch covers are seperate from the rest of the body... might be a good thing
I might have to switch to the Logitech from my deathadder. Wrist surgery has made my deathadder painful to use. I've been using my Naga for quake due to the hump in the rear of the mouse, and the 403 is closer in shape to my Naga.
Which one do you think is better? the deathadder or the g403, I use palm footprint
Good stuff! Coming from a Rival 300, I've had a very long adjustment period to the G403 due to the tapered back you're talking about. The weight and the sensor have me nearly convinced though, but the Elite was on my short list to try out as well. I definitely enjoy the rearward hump on the Rival for comfort along with a narrow front end.
Is the DA Elite wider than the G403 up front on the sides? It's hard to tell with the comfort grooves.
So, my hands are about the same size as yours (17 and 8)
I hage been using the Razer Deathadder 2013 since it came out and i feel really comfortable with the grip and everything, but I feel like I''m ready for an update... I really like the design of the Rival 700 but according to your review it isn't the best FPS mouse, according to your measurement recomendations the best one for me could be the Zowie FK2 (as a CSGO player) and then we have the Deathadder Elite, which is technically the same as my old 2013 so it wouldn't be a change in grip and comfort but a hardware upgrade (sensor, weight and of course RGB lighting!) but then again according to your review this mouse is more suited for larger hands than ours
Talking about availability and price the best one for me to get would be the Deathadder Elite, followed by the Rival 700 and then the Zowie FK2
And my personal preference is Rival 700>Deathadder Elite> Zowie FK2
If you were in my position, which one would you get?
I switched from g 502 to g 403 and i am not sorry to buy :) it is a really good mice and it has awesom RGB lighting.
Maxerr MC stick with the deathadder for minecraft LMAO. are you 5
I have both and I have to say the g403 is *vastly superior* if you use a fingertip grip, there's no comparison. (I've used each one for more than a year)
The G403 still has build quality issues with the scroll wheel. The side buttons also make a awful noise if you press it a certain way, the same my G303 did which is quite frankly absurd for a company as large as Logitech.
I ended up going with the G Pro in the end which apart from the DPI button sounding like an out of tune instrument on my unit, everything else is good. If my hands were slightly bigger, I'd go for the DA: Elite because my Chroma in the two years I used it never had an issue.
What about the Deathadder Elite vs the Zowie EC1-A?
I have been thinking? How about a video about "Best mouse and mousepad combo"?
Hated the feel of G403. Kinda feel like it's floating whereas Deathadder is very stable with its bigger bottom on the pad,
and the center of weight seems to be low, which feels good.
For those of you who got early versions of the G403 and notice the mouse wheel rattle just get in touch with Logitech support and they'll send you a new G403. They don't ask you to ship back the defective one. So you end up with 2 G403s lol.
hey, i recendtly got a g403 but it seems to be an old version,hwo exactly can i replace it?the wheel is pretty unstable and unusable in gaming
Maxerr MC just plain untrue
I'm stuck between the DA, the g403 or the SteelSeries Rival, my hands are 18.5 by 9.5. I'm still young so I want one that I'll grow into, I'll take any other suggestions as well. Thanks.
Gage Brown which did you get?
Will you be doing a Logitech G102 Prodigy review?
AFAIK it's a much cheaper G Pro with the new PMW3330 (which gives similar performance as the 3310 and 3366).
(Marketing Technique:)
it's a defective G Pro product that resale as G102, trust me, it holds within 2 months.
fell for it twice, third time go G Pro.
Tenderloin Salmon I'm using g102 since 6 months. No issues:)
I have had a razer mamba elite for around a year now and have enjoyed it and now I have picked up a g403 because it was on sale and one question I have is how do your store mice when not in use
I'm definitely switching from Deathadder Elite to aeither a Sensei 310 or a Logitech G403. It's insane how amazing this mouse felt for about 7 months before the sensor felt inconsistent and terrible. Disappointed af with this mouse honestly.
Please do the ROCCAT mouse bungee, I'm interested in the g403 but I don't really know if it will fit in the thing, please have a look at it it seems very nice :)
I have got logitech g403 , i am buying mousepad , what should i buy ( i am playing 1600 dpi , game 2.4 sensivity )
Hey Zy, your videos help me finding right mouses for me. I just wanted to tell you something i noticed.
I feel like with your long experience and the fact that you can adapt very fast to any mouse/mousepad, can make you loose the track on sensor.
I personally am way less experienced and I play games like CS (Semi pro on rainbow six) and play with 400 dpi, 2.10 sens (fairly lower than you it seems). I can notice a huge difference between 3310 et logitech/razer DA sensors. With the 3310 i couldnt make very small adjustement like you amd I enjoy very much those last tech sensors.
Between the DA and the g403, I like much better thr DA sensor, it feels more snappy, more responsive and fast. I can make quick flick just based on feeling better with it. G403 is a great mouse aswell, but I choosed the elite juste for the sensor and the mouse feet + too thick cable on the logitech (19cm claw grip here).
I just wanted to let you know about the feeling of someone that can still feel the difference, I dont know if you could agree with me.
Thanks a lot for your videos. Good competitive lessons and as a peripherals addict, I really like to watch your reviews :)
Well, as you mentioned CS... The 3310 sensor is still good enough for a majority of the pro players. So while it might be true that you can notice a difference, it doesn't mean that it really matters in game. And I think that is what Zy is basically saying, too. These sensors are all "good enough" not to hinder your game or skill.
My G403 wireless weighs 97g without the extra weight which is the same as my G400 it replaced.
Which of them should I get? I use palm grip and my hand size is 19.5 cm long and 10.5 cm wide.
i got the g403 and at first enjoyed it you know its nothing special and feels really accurate but it just doesn't fit my hand at all and i use palm grip the mouse just feels tiny my fingers hang over the entire mouse and its hard to reach the left side button some times if you play palm def go with the deathadder it fits amazing like a glove g403 is cool but not for my needs
What mouse should I get, I have 16.5cm long 9 cm wide hands and have been looking at much since the start of the year. I prefer claw but am fine with palm. Also the Logitech Pro is not available in Australasia. any suggestions?
Destiny Waits Wtf why are your hands so small? Mine were 18cm long and 9cm wide when I was 12. Ok but I recommend the g pro or the g300 razer mice are all quite big so you are out of hope there. The g300s sensor is a bit outdated but it's really comfortable. The gpro is like on of those microsoft mice vut for gaming. Since gpro isn't available go for 300s but be wary I ain't a mouse expert so try for your own.
the question is does that 3366 in the G403 track perfectly on the razer goliathus since it's colored? I've been using a DA and want to make the switch to the G403 but not if it has tracking issues on that pad (I know almost all top sensors these days don't have issues with colored pads but I just want to be sure)
would you ever do a big mouse pad video? hard type pads and so on?
G403 scroll issue is extremely annoying, there is a big gap between button so dust gets in very easily, after couple of months when i scroll wheel up page goes down a little bit, it happens randomly, very annoying... trying to return it or get a new one
I went from an abyssus to a deathadder elite LOL
can't even use the deathadder at all. ring finger cramps up with how wide it is and how i need to hold it every time i pick it up.
@Rocket Jump Ninja
Hi, got a quick question for ya: so i got the g403 wired, and i cant really rest my fingers on it becouse it accidently clicks it, now the clicks feel too "easy to click in" its like i have to keep my fingers/hand stressed so it doesnt rest at all if it does it clicks sometimes.
You think i should exchange it for the DeathAdder Elite, are the clicks on the razer more "resistant" ?
10.5/19 cm hands.
I am staying around for the long hall Zy! See you when we make it! Make it where? Who knows, especially when there is no limit.
Nice, let's get some popcorn and see how far Zy goes!
20cm x 11cm hands here, and the G403 is just a little too small for me. Palm grip.
Im using a palm grip all the way in FPS. In office and internet Iam using some kind of finger tips grip, but never a claw grip. Would you say the G403 is too small for 18.5cm/9,3 cm hands?
how can u be so emotionless talking about mouse while you keep frag those buns?
It's called a voice-over
hes a killa, cold
How would you say the size difference is? I find the deathadder just a tiny bit too big and am considering the G403 or the EC2a
My over 1 year old deathadder elites back lifts up as I click near the bump on the mouse and I use claw/fingertip
I think Im gonna change my Zowie EC2-A. Its now my 3rd Zowie EC2-A (BenQ Version) and all 3 of them are really poor quality, scrollwheel bug on all 3 of them and the clicks were getting worse and worse. Some recommendations?
The DeathAdder Elite fits my hand really well, but I don't like that the software requires me to make an account. What mice are similar to the DeathAdder shape?
hey o/
i'm currently using a cooler master inferno for over 4 years now, and I want to buy a new mouse.
from what ive seen these 2 are the most compatible with me.
my hand is 19CM and 10CM.
personally, I really like the shape of the inferno.
I use palm grip.
what would you guys reccomend me?
Can you put the mouse your using atm in the description? great review as always.
He has been using the Zowie FK2 for a while, but I assume he is using the G403 now.
Thanks for the response
i was using g400s and i want to buy a new mouse same as before, i was really good with g400s so amazing shots in CSGO what will you recommend me if similar mice for g400s? reply me pLS