This isn't meant to be a theory video, but it's one of those discussion/speculation hybrid videos I sometimes do. I still don't have any solid takes I'm fully convinced with about Luxord and Demyx, my suggestions in this video are purely speculation. But lately I've been thinking a good deal about Luxord. I have some new thoughts on him, so expect to see more on that soon. Initially, this video was going to be shorter, but right as I was about to render it, I got hit with the realisation about Player and Xehanort's connection, and from there I suddenly made a bunch of connections I'd never made before. Also, fun fact: I coincidentally released this video almost an exact year after the other "Key detail" video I did (it came out April 8th last year).
10:08 Nomura really got us there, didn’t he? We were so sure that xenanort was the player in a past life but now we know that the blue robed man was the player, and xehanort could just sense what was in his heart
I still put stock in the idea that Xemnas and Ansem (SoD), while certainly formed from Xehanort, are individuals beyond the boundaries of Xehanort. They may carry Xehanort's past and have knowledge of his 4D chess game, but they each also have their own desires and plans. Just look at the relationship between Sora and Roxas; the relationship between Xehanort and Xemnas would likely be similar. Both Nobodies were formed from a being that carried multiple hearts, and aspects of those hearts were all jumbled up so that someone new stepped out of the void. When Sora and Roxas rejoined, the two remained separate. Sora only received intangible imprints of Roxas' experiences. In this way, Xemnas would be free to believe that Xehanort's plan would fail, even if Xehanort himself did not expect or desire it.
Just found this. I have and will maintain, some of the organization members are using transformed keyblades. We have seen all the different ways we can transform a keyblade into different shapes. One of the things on my wishlist for KH3 that didn't get fulfilled was seeing Larxene and Marluxia transforming their weapons. I still believe Luxu was using a keyblade transformed the entire time. It could have been cut content or it was simply a set up for Missing Link. It's also possible that we will see them in Quadratum. But that is all assuming Master Xehanort wasn't playing everyone. I'm inclined to think it was cut since the only thing we really see with interactions between Chirathy is during the ending cutscene.
Elrena wishes she was my player's friend 💀 I kinda hope this is Xehanort trying to reunite cos its like all the people from union are trying to have a re:union! But Luxord and Demyx shouldn't be invited until we know they fully check out. No unreality people! 🚫 BTW I really hope you're right about young xehanort meeting them in dark road because I'm genuinely hyped to see that!
My best guess (and it's based on very little) is that Xehanort will find out in Dark Road about MoM's plan (or at least some of it, since it seems he needed more info from Subject X), and since he knew that MoM had everything essentially written out until the Keyblade War via the Book of Prophecies (Luxu's secret reports imply that that is as far as the prophecies go), Xehanort decided to take on the villain role to bring about the KW and have contingencies in place for what comes next. He was very insistent about wanting to see what lay beyond the war, after all. Which is how these four people are involved.
I also find particularly interesting is that one conversation between youngest xehanort and Xigbar in Hollow Bastion lab, where Young Xehanort reveals they have their own plan. If there's any version of Xehanort that is like to remember the events of Dark Road era, and before, it would be this version.
I think this has to do Xehanort knowing about Unreality. Xehanort knows Sora is to be send there, as the Darkness Memories of Xehanort's forms tells Kairi. This is why Master Xehanort struck her down. Demyx is likely a Prompto expy ( Noctis's friend) and Luxord is a Ignis exp (Noctis's driver). They are looking for a "Sora" to save their King, Yozora, who isn't who he is. Xemnas is setting up the next "Game" . ( the New Game Eraqus and Young Xehanort will play). Xigbar was probably whispering in Xemnas and Xehanort's ears so the Master of Masters can use the pieces he leaves behind. Also, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness admits in his death scene that he "knew they never stood a chance", as if at least he expected they were going to lose.
That point you made about every version of Xehanort having a relationship with an ancient wielder was crazy. If you're right about YX, then yeah it fits that he'd be up next to play into that pattern, because it's true, how does Xemnas know about Demyx and Luxord? And yes, dark road is part of phase 2.. Hmm. I thought you would mostly discuss just Demyx and Luxord, but you tied it into a lot of things I didn't really expect, like even Subject X. The other scala is very interesting, but I don't know what to really make of it until we know where it fits into the timeline. Overall a great video. I think it's one of your best, and I enjoyed the editing.
Amazing discussion. I do want to bring up that EVERYONE ignores the fact that Xion was one of the data battles. There was no reason to put include her in them, and I feel like there’s a lot more to her than what we think. I feel like there’s a connection between Xion and Scald. Just a fun thought!
Nomura was actually hesitant on adding her since she was good but by the time he decided not to include her the team had already made a lot of progress on her fight so he just let her be.
Wonder if namine has something to do with sterlizia or maybe even Ava! I mean it was never explained why she doesn’t look like kairi like the roxas sora situation.
@@wonderingobserver2231 I'm pretty sure the reasoning is that Naminé is not entirely Kairi's nobody. She was born out of her heart, and Sora's body. And I'm pretty sure that's also why she has the mysterious powers to tamper with his memories. I may be remembering wrong though
@@dipsfriesinchocolate5063 Well everyone’s nobody looks the same except roxas/sora and kairi/namine. The fact that one needed an explanation of having another heart makes it highly likely the other does too.
In regards to Luxord, the voice of the limousine driver in the LimitCut ending sounds and looks suspiciously like Luxord, so it's likely he's from Quadratum or wherever Yozora is from, or at least tied to Yozora in some way In regards to Demyx, if we follow from Luxord being linked to Yozora, and Yozora being a stand-in for Noctis (looking like him and having him and limo driver (Dolur?) recreate shot for shot a scene from one of the FFvs13 trailers (Noctis's original game concept)), then it's safe to assume Demyx (Myde? Dyme?) Is also linked to Yozora, probably as a stand-in for Noctis's Prompto (He even kind of resembles him tbh) Perhaps the gathering of Larx, Marly, Lux, and Demy was something Xemnas did behind Master Xehanort's back, or rather for his own purposes separate from Xehanort. It's somewhat implied that all the seekers of darkness, even to an extent Ansem and Xemnas, have distinct personalities, motivations, and sense of self
I wonder if xehanort learned about them from going through ventus/vanitus's memories or dreams. Maybe he is able to see marluxia and larxene's dormant memories because they hold a piece of his heart?
In regards to Xheanort knowing about their keyblade legacy , He might have chose them as a contingency plan In the event they couldn't find a modern keyblade wiedler(sora/roxas) in order to complete kingdom hearts. Nobodies can weild keyblades, I guess he would have gone about having them remember their past in order to conjur one
What if the Keyblade legacy involved Ephemer showing up? It’s possible Demyx and Luxord have a connection with Ephemer. They could have been the catalyst that awoke Ephemer
The only assumptions I could make is a family type of thing relating these four to more important characters, or past and future characters linked by association. Assumption 1 - Marluxia's parents may be associated with Luxord's parents while Larxene and Demyx have the same parents. Idk just a guess. Assumption 2 - Marluxia' sister is in the future beyond the ancient keyblade legacy scene + Luxord with Yozora in the future. Demyx questionable but may be from the past + the backstory of Larxene.
I know. I thought Elrena/Larxene is Demyx’s older sister based on their interactions (which feel a lot like an older sibling exasperated by their annoying younger sibling plus they have similar colored eyes when not possessed) but we never saw him at the end of Union Cross which has just left me confused. Nomura is clearly planning something with Demyx and Larxene’s relationship but what that is I’m stumped. I know Missing Link will focus on family and bloodlines so (hopefully) we’ll learn about Demyx’s history before he became a Nobody. Plus it would (hopefully) answer why they have similar if not the same eye color.
Because Xehanort remembers them from his childhood dreams. Xehanort wants them to reveal their legacy to him, because he's been obsessed with those memories from the KHUX players life.
I loved this! I just don't get how you only got 2k subscribers. You have some of the best insights. A bit unrelated but I hope to see more videos like your arcane and nier analysis ones. Whilst I enjoy your kh content, imho you have way more range than just kh and as a fellow writer I'd love to hear your views on other stories or even your own at some point
Wow I appreciate that. I'm definitely not going to only do KH, it's just at the moment there's a lot going on around it and I have my own input. It's hard to find the time to do these types of videos and also other non kh topics, but I do think I'm more in my element talking about storytelling stuff, it's just hard to find the time and place for it when I also want to be part of the kh conversation
@@NextGenNovelist I look forward to it. I found your channel from a nier video so I'm a bit of an outlier anyway. I'm biased I guess lol but I understand it's kh time with the anniversary and everything
I think Mr. Nort expected everybody, except himself, to lose. Then meet up with the four after he remakes the world. Or perhaps remaking the world is a long process, kingdom hearts was just the first step, and he needs the ancient key blade wielders to take down the remaining darkness's or even MoM.
Very good video!! One question we have to ask ourselves is why, when, and where did Xemnas recruit Demyx and Luxord? If Demyx and Luxord are not from the ancient past nor the world of reality, did they come from the fictional universe/world? If so, did Xemnas or Xehanort go to the fictional world and recruit them and why? Xemnas knows. I believe Xemnas and Xehanort know.
What we do know is that their knowledge was completely unnecessary for Xehanort's plan since he went through with it without Xemnas getting any information out of them. Interrogating 2, maybe 4, amnesiacs about their past lives isn't exactly a smart plan. 8:28 Same with Ansem's little fetch quest too
well Marluxia is a dandelion so the reason they were brought back into the organization is because they have to serve as vessels for the TRUE darknesses.
He needed them to be defeated, in order for them to properly regain their memories; seems Xemnas knows more about Xehanort's past and his legacy, than we're ever made privy too. Also, the 13 darknesses from KH3 knew from the beginning they were all expendable - just like the lights, It mattered not whom survived the clashes as long as at least one darkness did; as Xehanort is within each of them. This whole fight was merely to get Kingdom Hearts summoned, and for old man Xehanort to get the true keyblad, and see if he was truly worthy to change the world... just as the MoM encouraged him. I think there's a side/version of Xehanort (perhaps Xemnas) that was aware he was bound to fail - or that the cycle would inevitably perpetuate itself, and cares more about what comes after - which is related to this "keyblade legacy"; and likely related to the original 13 dark beings that are talked about in the mobile games.
First off great points. This was very thought provoking. I personally don't think Xehanort is going to come back. At most a data version of him exists somewhere and will interact with enough people to get it's own heart, which would make him his own person and not really Xehanort. (like Riku Replica is his own person and other copies that become their own people) As for why Lauriam, Elrena, Demyx, and Luxord didn't show their Legacy yet. As you said Xehanort wasn't really planing on losing as...finally...as he did. Lauriam and Elrena both show signs of regaining their memories in their final moments. Likely do to something Xehanort did. Because if it was simply getting defeated they would have shown signs in CoM. Something about being re completed in KH3 was different then the first time. If all four are characters that Xehanort knows about which I admit hadn't accord to me. Then that is kind of a point against my thoughts that Demyx might be the true Dandelion. Because the only way that Xehanort would know about the True Dandelion is if he found out through second hand information. That said Demyx is the only one of the four that Xehanort kept out of the battle and that might be seen as protective. After all Xemnas was unbelieving that the Guardians put someone as valuable as Kairi on the battle front. And if we look at the other benched member Even, he is the only one who can make new replicas(if given more time). So Demyx might have gotten benched because he was to important to put on the battle field.
Demyx is definitely a mystery. I was banking on him being Elrena/Larxene’s brother due to them sharing similar features and their bickering (which reminds me a lot of my brother and I) but after the finale without seeing any sign of Demyx or Elrena even mentioning Demyx’s somebody by name I felt like the sibling theory was debunked. They clearly knew each other even before joining Organization 13 based on their bickering and the fact they have the same eye color (when not possessed) is pretty creepy. And I’m not the first to notice it, a person on Tumblr actually noticed the shared features between Larxene and Demyx and posted about it. If Demyx turns out to be the master of masters then I don’t know how I’ll feel. Confused perhaps.
I really don't think Demyx is MoM, especially since if he was I don't see why he'd need Luxu to be watching over everything for him, as well as other reasons people have gotten into. At this point I'm leaning more towards Demyx and Luxord being from unreality, the other scala, or from the master of master's time from before Chi (I'm almost convinced Luxord is from that time now). With Luxord I was going to make a video on him and explain this, but I'm struggling to make that video comprehensive enough. But I think Luxord could be more ancient than even Luxu is. Demyx I really just have no real idea. Nomura seems to be making his origins extremely difficult to figure out, which is probably a large part of the reason people believe he's MoM
@@NextGenNovelist Same here. It just doesn’t fit Demyx. All his actions say he wouldn’t want to hurt anyone. I mean he even says he wants friends and the Master seems to want to hurt people in order to fulfill his goal (which is very twisted by the way). Then again Larxene’s personality when she was Elrena seems quite different but I’m chalking it up to her becoming jaded. Never thought of Luxord being from roughly the MoM’s childhood though. Maybe they knew each other. If so then I suspect Luxord will have some interesting words for the Master.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Luxu more considering we're to assume he's the one who took Subject X and also is the one who sent Luxord searching for the box.
I actually did forget to mention something to do with Luxu, but it's not about subject x or even the box exactly. He says he doesn't know who Luxord is which is very odd given the fact Xemnas seems to know, and my next video will be a bit shorter with me basically addressing how that links with Luxord and his legacy
@@NextGenNovelist That is a big problem. If Luxord actually knew the MoM as I currently suspect then shouldn’t Luxu have heard a mention of an old friend of his master with Luxord’s name as a somebody? I could chalk it up to so much time passing but Luxu/Xigbar seems to have a good memory so then why does he ask who Luxord is?
@@mirandagoldstine8548 Well there's a couple possible reasons Luxu wouldn't know. Firstly, he didn't even know about that old war until the master told him all about it. Second, he says he lost people close to him, and it's possible those people could have been Luxord & Demyx or just one of them since he never does mention who they are by name
I wonder if it's a connection with all of original xiii; roxas being connected to ven who was around in that same era, and xigbar being/sharing a body with luxu
Hm... what if the perspective here is flipped? What if its not them being part of a legacy they don't remember that's the plan, but instead for them to remember in the act of being defeated? They aren't exactly the strongest players on the board here and its not hard to see that, so realizing that they'd lose isn't a huge reach for the bad guys here. So in that case, what is the significance of remembering their past for so little time they barely have the a minute to say their farewell? Well, if time isn't a problem here, then what if time is the *goal*? Time travel as it stands in this series needs two things in order to work: A medium for your body when you arrive, and someone to be there that remembers you. What if the point of them fighting was a sort of suicide memory time bomb in order to bring someone in at just the right time in order to act as a fall back for later if they lose? A time-travel bomb if you will. The question then would just be who do they all know, that no one else including Xemnas doesn't, but he'd be told how relevant it would be anyway to go through with the plan. Who would be important enough to bring forward with them acting as tribute?
This is such an interesting take and I would absolutely love if it turned out to be true. It's exactly the sort of mad twist I could see happening with this series. But yeah the only trouble is figuring out who they all know, especially since now it seems pretty certain Luxord and Demyx aren't from the Age of fairytales. So if they're in Missing Link and/or Quadratum, it'd have to be someone that all of them could have met, but Xemnas doesn't know himself, and right now the only option I'm seeing is Ava simply cos we have no idea where she is or where she's been (personally still think she's Kairi's grandma), but why would Xehanort/Xemnas care about her? For now I still think its some contingency plan that relies on something we haven't seen these 4 do yet, a bit like Luxord's wildcard, but I really do like this idea
@@NextGenNovelist Can't wait to see what's in store for 4. And hey, the cat's away and took the wildcard with him. Who knows what mice might show up to play now that Sora's out of the picture? Unless they plan on time traveling INTO where Sora is using the card as the medium??? Na that's a little much. lol
What if Xehanort was setting Sora to be the one to save the light from the beginning, like what if he made himself the bad guy to bring Sora and the others to get stronger so the can fight the "shapeless". I mean from the way Xehanort was speaking to Vanitas in the cutscene in Dark road, clearly Zehanort know about them and maybe he try to fine a way to help M,O,M on defeating the "shapeless". I know it not much to proof my point but i found the idea interesting
The "xehanort" that sent kiari to find a keyblade wielder was really Terra. So that scene with young braig(xigbar) he asks "you are him right?" Inferring to xehanort but nothing was said because terra is smarter than that and needed a way to get his friend back. Everybody knows it was supposed to be riku but why did sora get the keyblade? Ventus' heart. Everybody thinks its been xehanort the whole time but terra has some part in this. Where its also parallel to what Ava did with the dandelions. Which will bring me back to the master of masters is Riku definitely. I have no doubt. If not, its a future version of yozora. With the legacy, pretty sure the entire reason Destiny Islands are called Destiny, its because it was a planted idea. Like a virus maybe? Over the originated plans. Big feeling about sigurd being demyx. The color pallette is similar from his sitar and sigurds armor. Now also remember the armor came from somewhere. It wasnt robes. So in ephemers time, scala was a birthplace of a lot. In a way. I can help easily trace everybodys role in the upcoming arc
Guitar guy is the master of masters same movements and junk from union cross or whatever but also it's a keyblade war all the org can use keyblades. Luxord and eyepatch guy are the same person from different times
There are more details about kingdom key and their characters like where is Ava will marLucia find his sister will either sora or Luxu or skuld friend bring her back there questions that aren’t answered I hope they have a remake game about kingdom hearts key with details that connect to kingdom hearts
More then likely the book of prophecy. They all read it and xanort knows of it and repeats some lines from it. He obviously doesn't have the book luxu never received one all though he could have read it but I find it more believable xanort got a page or two from their memory's
If the Four of them are mean to reveal their big secret but they didn't makes me wonder, after watching your video, What if Xehanort isn't talking about the present selfs but rather their past selfs that time travel to the future and reveal their secret and then be sent back to where they came from. Him telling them this here could be taunting them for something they don't remember. Like they travel to the future and reveal it to Terra-Nort (not heartless yet) their secret then get sent back but they need a vessel to be there for them to travel to first!
i have a feeling those 4 are the fore tellers. luxu freed their hearts and kept something from them either their key blade or armor. so they can be brought back when the box comes back. if anything the masters eye could also be the medium to bringing them back plus the memory from luxu.
A good question, but the simple answer is that he didn't know him. He didn't know who MoM was, and he wouldn't know about the Foretellers either, at least not enough. Dark Road actually confirmed a part of this video which is that his desire to search for "his friends" is why he ended up finding Ventus, and I'm sure it's also how he found the others too, which of course implies there's some past relationship with Demyx and Luxord that either he or the Player (Missing Link) had with them
@@NextGenNovelist Yeah. There is something very mysterious about Demyx. We have no clue on how he and Larxene/Elrena know each other, we have no clue on his real name, where he came from or how he connects with the ancient keyblade legacy. Honestly if we don’t see Demyx’s somebody in Missing Link then I will be completely stumped. I mean like I said I was banking on him and Larxene being brother and sister based on their relationship but after Union Cross I’m hoping we’ll get an explanation on what Larxene’s relationship with Demyx is as well as his true name and where his connection with the keyblade legacy comes from. Luxord we think has some tie to Quadratum (there is the fact Yozora’s driver in English sounds a good deal like Luxord’s English voice actor) so I think he’ll make some appearance. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that we learn about Demyx’s past. As to how he found Larxene and Marluxia aka Elrena and Lauriam I thought it was implied Xigbar aka Braig aka Luxu brought them to Xenohart at one point. I would need to double check but I think a different RUclipsr mentioned that. Or maybe it was a person on Tumblr. Honestly I could be misremembering facts.
You're right about how they were recruited, but it's more how did he know to recruit them basically. Xemnas asks them why they think he picked them specifically to be 9 - 12, and it's because of their legacy. Dark Road confirms one of my thoughts from this video that Xehanort was looking for all of them specifically (except maybe Elrena, which I did even make a little joke about as well lol. But I guess he knew she was a Dandelion anyway), so that links with why they were picked because of their legacy. Still waiting on the two Missing Links in this whole equation Also, how would you feel if it turned out Sigurd becomes Demyx
@@NextGenNovelist I knew I wasn’t making stuff up. Hmm did Luxu know Lauriam and Elrena would be perfect for Xenohart’s plans? Ah so many unanswered questions so little time.
@@NextGenNovelist I honestly don’t know. I have never heard Demyx’s Japanese voice so I can’t compare his voice to Sigurd’s voice in the Kingdom Hearts 4 reveal trailer (yes a couple of people have determined the person speaking is Sigurd) so I have no freaking clue if this is the right theory. Sorry for getting back so late on this question. Mostly I have been watching various other RUclips channels to keep myself from getting bored both Kingdom Hearts related and non Kingdom Hearts related. That and I am finishing up school and will be working on my masters and I’m also volunteering at a local historic house as an archivist in training/trainee curator. So yeah I have been busy.
I just realized that Xehanort might be the only one to know that the player trapped a bunch of the darkness beings, unless Ephemer or Brain maybe figure it out later.
This isn't meant to be a theory video, but it's one of those discussion/speculation hybrid videos I sometimes do.
I still don't have any solid takes I'm fully convinced with about Luxord and Demyx, my suggestions in this video are purely speculation. But lately I've been thinking a good deal about Luxord. I have some new thoughts on him, so expect to see more on that soon.
Initially, this video was going to be shorter, but right as I was about to render it, I got hit with the realisation about Player and Xehanort's connection, and from there I suddenly made a bunch of connections I'd never made before.
Also, fun fact: I coincidentally released this video almost an exact year after the other "Key detail" video I did (it came out April 8th last year).
10:08 Nomura really got us there, didn’t he? We were so sure that xenanort was the player in a past life but now we know that the blue robed man was the player, and xehanort could just sense what was in his heart
I still put stock in the idea that Xemnas and Ansem (SoD), while certainly formed from Xehanort, are individuals beyond the boundaries of Xehanort. They may carry Xehanort's past and have knowledge of his 4D chess game, but they each also have their own desires and plans.
Just look at the relationship between Sora and Roxas; the relationship between Xehanort and Xemnas would likely be similar. Both Nobodies were formed from a being that carried multiple hearts, and aspects of those hearts were all jumbled up so that someone new stepped out of the void. When Sora and Roxas rejoined, the two remained separate. Sora only received intangible imprints of Roxas' experiences.
In this way, Xemnas would be free to believe that Xehanort's plan would fail, even if Xehanort himself did not expect or desire it.
Just found this. I have and will maintain, some of the organization members are using transformed keyblades. We have seen all the different ways we can transform a keyblade into different shapes. One of the things on my wishlist for KH3 that didn't get fulfilled was seeing Larxene and Marluxia transforming their weapons. I still believe Luxu was using a keyblade transformed the entire time.
It could have been cut content or it was simply a set up for Missing Link. It's also possible that we will see them in Quadratum. But that is all assuming Master Xehanort wasn't playing everyone. I'm inclined to think it was cut since the only thing we really see with interactions between Chirathy is during the ending cutscene.
I'm almost done with this amazing video but dude... 10:21 - 11:16 🤯 Can't believe I've never noticed that before
5:21 no idea why they didn't remember after being killed the first time
Elrena wishes she was my player's friend 💀 I kinda hope this is Xehanort trying to reunite cos its like all the people from union are trying to have a re:union! But Luxord and Demyx shouldn't be invited until we know they fully check out. No unreality people! 🚫
BTW I really hope you're right about young xehanort meeting them in dark road because I'm genuinely hyped to see that!
My best guess (and it's based on very little) is that Xehanort will find out in Dark Road about MoM's plan (or at least some of it, since it seems he needed more info from Subject X), and since he knew that MoM had everything essentially written out until the Keyblade War via the Book of Prophecies (Luxu's secret reports imply that that is as far as the prophecies go), Xehanort decided to take on the villain role to bring about the KW and have contingencies in place for what comes next. He was very insistent about wanting to see what lay beyond the war, after all. Which is how these four people are involved.
I also find particularly interesting is that one conversation between youngest xehanort and Xigbar in Hollow Bastion lab, where Young Xehanort reveals they have their own plan. If there's any version of Xehanort that is like to remember the events of Dark Road era, and before, it would be this version.
I think this has to do Xehanort knowing about Unreality. Xehanort knows Sora is to be send there, as the Darkness Memories of Xehanort's forms tells Kairi. This is why Master Xehanort struck her down.
Demyx is likely a Prompto expy ( Noctis's friend) and Luxord is a Ignis exp (Noctis's driver). They are looking for a "Sora" to save their King, Yozora, who isn't who he is.
Xemnas is setting up the next "Game" . ( the New Game Eraqus and Young Xehanort will play).
Xigbar was probably whispering in Xemnas and Xehanort's ears so the Master of Masters can use the pieces he leaves behind.
Also, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness admits in his death scene that he "knew they never stood a chance", as if at least he expected they were going to lose.
That point you made about every version of Xehanort having a relationship with an ancient wielder was crazy. If you're right about YX, then yeah it fits that he'd be up next to play into that pattern, because it's true, how does Xemnas know about Demyx and Luxord? And yes, dark road is part of phase 2.. Hmm.
I thought you would mostly discuss just Demyx and Luxord, but you tied it into a lot of things I didn't really expect, like even Subject X. The other scala is very interesting, but I don't know what to really make of it until we know where it fits into the timeline. Overall a great video. I think it's one of your best, and I enjoyed the editing.
Amazing discussion. I do want to bring up that EVERYONE ignores the fact that Xion was one of the data battles. There was no reason to put include her in them, and I feel like there’s a lot more to her than what we think. I feel like there’s a connection between Xion and Scald. Just a fun thought!
Nomura was actually hesitant on adding her since she was good but by the time he decided not to include her the team had already made a lot of progress on her fight so he just let her be.
Numora admitted that she was only added because she was popular with fans. He said he had written a story route with out her or Roxas.
Wonder if namine has something to do with sterlizia or maybe even Ava! I mean it was never explained why she doesn’t look like kairi like the roxas sora situation.
@@wonderingobserver2231 I'm pretty sure the reasoning is that Naminé is not entirely Kairi's nobody. She was born out of her heart, and Sora's body. And I'm pretty sure that's also why she has the mysterious powers to tamper with his memories.
I may be remembering wrong though
@@dipsfriesinchocolate5063 Well everyone’s nobody looks the same except roxas/sora and kairi/namine. The fact that one needed an explanation of having another heart makes it highly likely the other does too.
In regards to Luxord, the voice of the limousine driver in the LimitCut ending sounds and looks suspiciously like Luxord, so it's likely he's from Quadratum or wherever Yozora is from, or at least tied to Yozora in some way
In regards to Demyx, if we follow from Luxord being linked to Yozora, and Yozora being a stand-in for Noctis (looking like him and having him and limo driver (Dolur?) recreate shot for shot a scene from one of the FFvs13 trailers (Noctis's original game concept)), then it's safe to assume Demyx (Myde? Dyme?) Is also linked to Yozora, probably as a stand-in for Noctis's Prompto (He even kind of resembles him tbh)
Perhaps the gathering of Larx, Marly, Lux, and Demy was something Xemnas did behind Master Xehanort's back, or rather for his own purposes separate from Xehanort. It's somewhat implied that all the seekers of darkness, even to an extent Ansem and Xemnas, have distinct personalities, motivations, and sense of self
I feel like we'll likely get more info on the ancient keyblade legacy in kh4. After seeing Strelitzia it just makes sense
I wonder if xehanort learned about them from going through ventus/vanitus's memories or dreams. Maybe he is able to see marluxia and larxene's dormant memories because they hold a piece of his heart?
In regards to Xheanort knowing about their keyblade legacy , He might have chose them as a contingency plan In the event they couldn't find a modern keyblade wiedler(sora/roxas) in order to complete kingdom hearts. Nobodies can weild keyblades, I guess he would have gone about having them remember their past in order to conjur one
My dude...Your videos are crisp!!
What if the Keyblade legacy involved Ephemer showing up? It’s possible Demyx and Luxord have a connection with Ephemer. They could have been the catalyst that awoke Ephemer
The only assumptions I could make is a family type of thing relating these four to more important characters, or past and future characters linked by association.
Assumption 1 - Marluxia's parents may be associated with Luxord's parents while Larxene and Demyx have the same parents. Idk just a guess.
Assumption 2 - Marluxia' sister is in the future beyond the ancient keyblade legacy scene + Luxord with Yozora in the future. Demyx questionable but may be from the past + the backstory of Larxene.
I know. I thought Elrena/Larxene is Demyx’s older sister based on their interactions (which feel a lot like an older sibling exasperated by their annoying younger sibling plus they have similar colored eyes when not possessed) but we never saw him at the end of Union Cross which has just left me confused. Nomura is clearly planning something with Demyx and Larxene’s relationship but what that is I’m stumped. I know Missing Link will focus on family and bloodlines so (hopefully) we’ll learn about Demyx’s history before he became a Nobody. Plus it would (hopefully) answer why they have similar if not the same eye color.
Because Xehanort remembers them from his childhood dreams. Xehanort wants them to reveal their legacy to him, because he's been obsessed with those memories from the KHUX players life.
Have you heard of the A N C I E N T K E Y B L A D E L E G A C Y ?
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It’s entirely possible xemnas has his own plans
I loved this! I just don't get how you only got 2k subscribers. You have some of the best insights. A bit unrelated but I hope to see more videos like your arcane and nier analysis ones. Whilst I enjoy your kh content, imho you have way more range than just kh and as a fellow writer I'd love to hear your views on other stories or even your own at some point
Wow I appreciate that. I'm definitely not going to only do KH, it's just at the moment there's a lot going on around it and I have my own input. It's hard to find the time to do these types of videos and also other non kh topics, but I do think I'm more in my element talking about storytelling stuff, it's just hard to find the time and place for it when I also want to be part of the kh conversation
@@NextGenNovelist I look forward to it. I found your channel from a nier video so I'm a bit of an outlier anyway. I'm biased I guess lol but I understand it's kh time with the anniversary and everything
I agree. I like the Arcane analysis too.
@@NextGenNovelist You shouldn't limit yourself! 💯🔥
I think Mr. Nort expected everybody, except himself, to lose. Then meet up with the four after he remakes the world. Or perhaps remaking the world is a long process, kingdom hearts was just the first step, and he needs the ancient key blade wielders to take down the remaining darkness's or even MoM.
Very good video!! One question we have to ask ourselves is why, when, and where did Xemnas recruit Demyx and Luxord? If Demyx and Luxord are not from the ancient past nor the world of reality, did they come from the fictional universe/world? If so, did Xemnas or Xehanort go to the fictional world and recruit them and why? Xemnas knows. I believe Xemnas and Xehanort know.
What we do know is that their knowledge was completely unnecessary for Xehanort's plan since he went through with it without Xemnas getting any information out of them. Interrogating 2, maybe 4, amnesiacs about their past lives isn't exactly a smart plan.
8:28 Same with Ansem's little fetch quest too
well Marluxia is a dandelion so the reason they were brought back into the organization is because they have to serve as vessels for the TRUE darknesses.
He needed them to be defeated, in order for them to properly regain their memories; seems Xemnas knows more about Xehanort's past and his legacy, than we're ever made privy too.
Also, the 13 darknesses from KH3 knew from the beginning they were all expendable - just like the lights, It mattered not whom survived the clashes as long as at least one darkness did; as Xehanort is within each of them. This whole fight was merely to get Kingdom Hearts summoned, and for old man Xehanort to get the true keyblad, and see if he was truly worthy to change the world... just as the MoM encouraged him.
I think there's a side/version of Xehanort (perhaps Xemnas) that was aware he was bound to fail - or that the cycle would inevitably perpetuate itself, and cares more about what comes after - which is related to this "keyblade legacy"; and likely related to the original 13 dark beings that are talked about in the mobile games.
I really do somehow think that demyx is related to unreality similar to Luxord might possibly be. Just my theory anyway.
Such a great video. So excited to hear more of your theories!
First off great points. This was very thought provoking.
I personally don't think Xehanort is going to come back. At most a data version of him exists somewhere and will interact with enough people to get it's own heart, which would make him his own person and not really Xehanort. (like Riku Replica is his own person and other copies that become their own people)
As for why Lauriam, Elrena, Demyx, and Luxord didn't show their Legacy yet. As you said Xehanort wasn't really planing on losing as...finally...as he did. Lauriam and Elrena both show signs of regaining their memories in their final moments. Likely do to something Xehanort did. Because if it was simply getting defeated they would have shown signs in CoM. Something about being re completed in KH3 was different then the first time.
If all four are characters that Xehanort knows about which I admit hadn't accord to me. Then that is kind of a point against my thoughts that Demyx might be the true Dandelion. Because the only way that Xehanort would know about the True Dandelion is if he found out through second hand information. That said Demyx is the only one of the four that Xehanort kept out of the battle and that might be seen as protective. After all Xemnas was unbelieving that the Guardians put someone as valuable as Kairi on the battle front. And if we look at the other benched member Even, he is the only one who can make new replicas(if given more time). So Demyx might have gotten benched because he was to important to put on the battle field.
Demyx is definitely a mystery. I was banking on him being Elrena/Larxene’s brother due to them sharing similar features and their bickering (which reminds me a lot of my brother and I) but after the finale without seeing any sign of Demyx or Elrena even mentioning Demyx’s somebody by name I felt like the sibling theory was debunked. They clearly knew each other even before joining Organization 13 based on their bickering and the fact they have the same eye color (when not possessed) is pretty creepy. And I’m not the first to notice it, a person on Tumblr actually noticed the shared features between Larxene and Demyx and posted about it. If Demyx turns out to be the master of masters then I don’t know how I’ll feel. Confused perhaps.
I really don't think Demyx is MoM, especially since if he was I don't see why he'd need Luxu to be watching over everything for him, as well as other reasons people have gotten into. At this point I'm leaning more towards Demyx and Luxord being from unreality, the other scala, or from the master of master's time from before Chi (I'm almost convinced Luxord is from that time now). With Luxord I was going to make a video on him and explain this, but I'm struggling to make that video comprehensive enough. But I think Luxord could be more ancient than even Luxu is. Demyx I really just have no real idea. Nomura seems to be making his origins extremely difficult to figure out, which is probably a large part of the reason people believe he's MoM
@@NextGenNovelist Same here. It just doesn’t fit Demyx. All his actions say he wouldn’t want to hurt anyone. I mean he even says he wants friends and the Master seems to want to hurt people in order to fulfill his goal (which is very twisted by the way). Then again Larxene’s personality when she was Elrena seems quite different but I’m chalking it up to her becoming jaded. Never thought of Luxord being from roughly the MoM’s childhood though. Maybe they knew each other. If so then I suspect Luxord will have some interesting words for the Master.
What if they were nobodies of the fire tellers . Because foretellers came back once sora beat the organization
Great breakdown! 💯
Interesting thought, for real 💙⚔️
I'm surprised you didn't mention Luxu more considering we're to assume he's the one who took Subject X and also is the one who sent Luxord searching for the box.
I actually did forget to mention something to do with Luxu, but it's not about subject x or even the box exactly. He says he doesn't know who Luxord is which is very odd given the fact Xemnas seems to know, and my next video will be a bit shorter with me basically addressing how that links with Luxord and his legacy
@@NextGenNovelist That is a big problem. If Luxord actually knew the MoM as I currently suspect then shouldn’t Luxu have heard a mention of an old friend of his master with Luxord’s name as a somebody? I could chalk it up to so much time passing but Luxu/Xigbar seems to have a good memory so then why does he ask who Luxord is?
@@mirandagoldstine8548 Well there's a couple possible reasons Luxu wouldn't know. Firstly, he didn't even know about that old war until the master told him all about it. Second, he says he lost people close to him, and it's possible those people could have been Luxord & Demyx or just one of them since he never does mention who they are by name
@@NextGenNovelist Good point.
I wonder if it's a connection with all of original xiii; roxas being connected to ven who was around in that same era, and xigbar being/sharing a body with luxu
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Hm... what if the perspective here is flipped? What if its not them being part of a legacy they don't remember that's the plan, but instead for them to remember in the act of being defeated? They aren't exactly the strongest players on the board here and its not hard to see that, so realizing that they'd lose isn't a huge reach for the bad guys here. So in that case, what is the significance of remembering their past for so little time they barely have the a minute to say their farewell? Well, if time isn't a problem here, then what if time is the *goal*? Time travel as it stands in this series needs two things in order to work: A medium for your body when you arrive, and someone to be there that remembers you. What if the point of them fighting was a sort of suicide memory time bomb in order to bring someone in at just the right time in order to act as a fall back for later if they lose? A time-travel bomb if you will. The question then would just be who do they all know, that no one else including Xemnas doesn't, but he'd be told how relevant it would be anyway to go through with the plan. Who would be important enough to bring forward with them acting as tribute?
This is such an interesting take and I would absolutely love if it turned out to be true. It's exactly the sort of mad twist I could see happening with this series.
But yeah the only trouble is figuring out who they all know, especially since now it seems pretty certain Luxord and Demyx aren't from the Age of fairytales. So if they're in Missing Link and/or Quadratum, it'd have to be someone that all of them could have met, but Xemnas doesn't know himself, and right now the only option I'm seeing is Ava simply cos we have no idea where she is or where she's been (personally still think she's Kairi's grandma), but why would Xehanort/Xemnas care about her?
For now I still think its some contingency plan that relies on something we haven't seen these 4 do yet, a bit like Luxord's wildcard, but I really do like this idea
@@NextGenNovelist Can't wait to see what's in store for 4. And hey, the cat's away and took the wildcard with him. Who knows what mice might show up to play now that Sora's out of the picture? Unless they plan on time traveling INTO where Sora is using the card as the medium??? Na that's a little much. lol
What if Xehanort was setting Sora to be the one to save the light from the beginning, like what if he made himself the bad guy to bring Sora and the others to get stronger so the can fight the "shapeless". I mean from the way Xehanort was speaking to Vanitas in the cutscene in Dark road, clearly Zehanort know about them and maybe he try to fine a way to help M,O,M on defeating the "shapeless". I know it not much to proof my point but i found the idea interesting
The "xehanort" that sent kiari to find a keyblade wielder was really Terra. So that scene with young braig(xigbar) he asks "you are him right?" Inferring to xehanort but nothing was said because terra is smarter than that and needed a way to get his friend back. Everybody knows it was supposed to be riku but why did sora get the keyblade? Ventus' heart. Everybody thinks its been xehanort the whole time but terra has some part in this. Where its also parallel to what Ava did with the dandelions. Which will bring me back to the master of masters is Riku definitely. I have no doubt. If not, its a future version of yozora. With the legacy, pretty sure the entire reason Destiny Islands are called Destiny, its because it was a planted idea. Like a virus maybe? Over the originated plans. Big feeling about sigurd being demyx. The color pallette is similar from his sitar and sigurds armor. Now also remember the armor came from somewhere. It wasnt robes. So in ephemers time, scala was a birthplace of a lot. In a way. I can help easily trace everybodys role in the upcoming arc
Guitar guy is the master of masters same movements and junk from union cross or whatever but also it's a keyblade war all the org can use keyblades. Luxord and eyepatch guy are the same person from different times
There are more details about kingdom key and their characters like where is Ava will marLucia find his sister will either sora or Luxu or skuld friend bring her back there questions that aren’t answered I hope they have a remake game about kingdom hearts key with details that connect to kingdom hearts
More then likely the book of prophecy. They all read it and xanort knows of it and repeats some lines from it. He obviously doesn't have the book luxu never received one all though he could have read it but I find it more believable xanort got a page or two from their memory's
If the Four of them are mean to reveal their big secret but they didn't makes me wonder, after watching your video, What if Xehanort isn't talking about the present selfs but rather their past selfs that time travel to the future and reveal their secret and then be sent back to where they came from. Him telling them this here could be taunting them for something they don't remember. Like they travel to the future and reveal it to Terra-Nort (not heartless yet) their secret then get sent back but they need a vessel to be there for them to travel to first!
i have a feeling those 4 are the fore tellers. luxu freed their hearts and kept something from them either their key blade or armor. so they can be brought back when the box comes back. if anything the masters eye could also be the medium to bringing them back plus the memory from luxu.
Xamnes doesn't think the same way xenhort does. Idk why no one will acknowledge that old man and nobody did not think the same ever.
I hope we get another dark road story part soon.
We need Mansex back for KH4, have him voice Young Xehanort or something Idc. Just don't leave us in a world where Xemnas VA leaves ths series.
You know what bothers me about Xemnas’s explanation? Xigbar/Luxu isn’t included in his list with the ancient keyblade legacy. Why is he excluded?
A good question, but the simple answer is that he didn't know him. He didn't know who MoM was, and he wouldn't know about the Foretellers either, at least not enough.
Dark Road actually confirmed a part of this video which is that his desire to search for "his friends" is why he ended up finding Ventus, and I'm sure it's also how he found the others too, which of course implies there's some past relationship with Demyx and Luxord that either he or the Player (Missing Link) had with them
@@NextGenNovelist Yeah. There is something very mysterious about Demyx. We have no clue on how he and Larxene/Elrena know each other, we have no clue on his real name, where he came from or how he connects with the ancient keyblade legacy. Honestly if we don’t see Demyx’s somebody in Missing Link then I will be completely stumped. I mean like I said I was banking on him and Larxene being brother and sister based on their relationship but after Union Cross I’m hoping we’ll get an explanation on what Larxene’s relationship with Demyx is as well as his true name and where his connection with the keyblade legacy comes from. Luxord we think has some tie to Quadratum (there is the fact Yozora’s driver in English sounds a good deal like Luxord’s English voice actor) so I think he’ll make some appearance. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that we learn about Demyx’s past.
As to how he found Larxene and Marluxia aka Elrena and Lauriam I thought it was implied Xigbar aka Braig aka Luxu brought them to Xenohart at one point. I would need to double check but I think a different RUclipsr mentioned that. Or maybe it was a person on Tumblr. Honestly I could be misremembering facts.
You're right about how they were recruited, but it's more how did he know to recruit them basically. Xemnas asks them why they think he picked them specifically to be 9 - 12, and it's because of their legacy. Dark Road confirms one of my thoughts from this video that Xehanort was looking for all of them specifically (except maybe Elrena, which I did even make a little joke about as well lol. But I guess he knew she was a Dandelion anyway), so that links with why they were picked because of their legacy.
Still waiting on the two Missing Links in this whole equation
Also, how would you feel if it turned out Sigurd becomes Demyx
@@NextGenNovelist I knew I wasn’t making stuff up. Hmm did Luxu know Lauriam and Elrena would be perfect for Xenohart’s plans? Ah so many unanswered questions so little time.
@@NextGenNovelist I honestly don’t know. I have never heard Demyx’s Japanese voice so I can’t compare his voice to Sigurd’s voice in the Kingdom Hearts 4 reveal trailer (yes a couple of people have determined the person speaking is Sigurd) so I have no freaking clue if this is the right theory. Sorry for getting back so late on this question. Mostly I have been watching various other RUclips channels to keep myself from getting bored both Kingdom Hearts related and non Kingdom Hearts related. That and I am finishing up school and will be working on my masters and I’m also volunteering at a local historic house as an archivist in training/trainee curator. So yeah I have been busy.
nothing about anything xemnas says is od
your forgetting hes reliving events hes already seen
I just realized that Xehanort might be the only one to know that the player trapped a bunch of the darkness beings, unless Ephemer or Brain maybe figure it out later.
I actually have a theory that addresses that. It's the one about Xehanort's classmates. I think you'll find it interesting
@@NextGenNovelist I just went and watched it. Brilliant! I'm so pumped for Dark Road to finally explain few things.