This and Ayala 16 are the best shows to exist. I wish more groups would challenge the norm and push the activity. You don’t see that anymore :( Function and what scores well is all that anyone cares about anymore, I miss being wowed
I like how even the chromatic mediant?-y chord stabs from the keyboards act as a sort of neutral content that pokes fun at how lots of drumline music is just hits and licks.
I've come to realize that the "Does that make it better?" with the red sleeve is poking at the fact that some groups will literally play the same exact show but only change the uniform or floor. The fact that the last movement was the same thing they played before would make it seem like a cop out, but then she stops the judges and changes the uniforms. Does that make it better?
@@slepthrumaythey were talking about artistic design and themes. But yes in 2016-2019 CH was not beat, but there have been times where Ayala does beat them, and I think Ayalas presence as a medalist might span longer than CH. ( I might be wrong)
@iainoam2565 It depends on how you cut it. Chino Hills first medaled in world class with a bronze in 2009 upsetting Ayala that was 3rd going into finals. Ayala won the first Gold the year after in 2010. However if you look at wgi medals in general Ayala won PSA class one year back in the 90s. If you talk about first to get a world class medal regardless of class Ayala got it's first medal in concert world class in 2006.
From what I understand, the whole show is meant as a critique of indoor percussion and the state of modern marching arts as a whole. That's the short answer, but keep reading if you want a more in depth explanation. The music and drill performed by the battery in the first and final movements are almost exactly the same, only with the battery facing away from the audience for most of the last movement. And the music played by the front ensemble in the last movement is the same as what they play in the interlude, but arranged to fit what the battery is playing. I think the musical aspects of the show are meant to be a slap in the face to judges and to subvert what the activity stands for as a whole. In my interpretation, a lot of what happens in the show is purposeful nonsense to poke fun at the same trends that most groups tend to follow. I think the opening statement says a lot about what the show means: "Although we are guided by what has come before us, we are also bound by the very same things." In other words, people are quick to draw inspiration from the past, sometimes to the point of blatant imitation. This show was meant to be something new and original while also drawing attention to the creative traps that a lot of groups fall into. And I believe that the spiteful delivery of the final statement "There. Does that make it better?" is criticizing the audience's tendency to obsess over relatively insignificant parts of performances, like the color of a sleeve. In a lot of cases, those kinds of things don't add much to the show and are just meant to be flashy. All that being said, I wasn't involved with this show at all so this is all just my interpretation. I hope it at least helps shine some light on what it means for you
@@JaketheLumberjack1 something that also just clicked is that there was a design motif of multiple vertical red lines in their previous show in 2016 (on the floor, monitors, and bass heads), and they ended this year's show with revealing that motif on with their uniform as evidence to "make it better"
And they really criticize the fact that while one thing is going on, other aspects aren’t being appreciated, so they isolate one part at a time. Also, the standing on one leg thing they keep doing seems to serve as a stock battery body movement motif that everyone uses
@@drumsnhands2212 I guess that's easy to say when your program is 20+ years in the game, and students coming in more or less know what to expect. But what about the programs with students that have never seen or done this before?
@@brothaNblue it's difficult but not impossible, i've taught a class groups way below this and you can do it but it must gradual and they obviously need to trust your information. Getting them to not be afraid to look different is the first step. Late response but hope it helps
The joke went over both of your heads. It's a trend for people to title show videos as "Definitely not *group actually performing and year*" in order to not get it taken down
This and Ayala 16 are the best shows to exist. I wish more groups would challenge the norm and push the activity. You don’t see that anymore :(
Function and what scores well is all that anyone cares about anymore, I miss being wowed
Agreed
@@chrisnott7686Agreed
@@chrisnott7686Agreed
@@kaleb8850 Yep, I still stand by my other comment on this vid
What a big middle finger at the judges lmao
The drum book from 0:37 is pretty much the same as 5:41 and the drill is the same except it’s turned to the back.
The whole show is meant to be a critique on certain tropes many groups fall into.
All these years later, after I've completely brain dumped this activity, I still come back to this show. Truly a work of art!
this is how performing arts should be. Art
I marched Ayala from 96-2000. We brought home the first gold in 99. It makes me proud to see how far the program has come along
I like how even the chromatic mediant?-y chord stabs from the keyboards act as a sort of neutral content that pokes fun at how lots of drumline music is just hits and licks.
i will never stop loving this show
0:37 we not gon talk about how clean that entrance was?
dut dut dut dut
I've come to realize that the "Does that make it better?" with the red sleeve is poking at the fact that some groups will literally play the same exact show but only change the uniform or floor. The fact that the last movement was the same thing they played before would make it seem like a cop out, but then she stops the judges and changes the uniforms. Does that make it better?
Groups like this make me realize half way through. Sh*t I’m watching a high school!
Shows like this are why I prefer Ayala over CH
?? Chino Hills so much better lmao especially 2016-2019 those shows were undefeated
@@slepthrumaythey were talking about artistic design and themes. But yes in 2016-2019 CH was not beat, but there have been times where Ayala does beat them, and I think Ayalas presence as a medalist might span longer than CH. ( I might be wrong)
@iainoam2565 It depends on how you cut it. Chino Hills first medaled in world class with a bronze in 2009 upsetting Ayala that was 3rd going into finals.
Ayala won the first Gold the year after in 2010. However if you look at wgi medals in general Ayala won PSA class one year back in the 90s.
If you talk about first to get a world class medal regardless of class Ayala got it's first medal in concert world class in 2006.
I would love to hear the judges tapes lol
these mfs said 👯♀️
Best timpanist ever.
These are high schoolers right?!
Thx for the post
bro it got took down and this is the video
Dang
Was Ike still running things at this time? What is the current state of things with Ayala and Ike in general?
Ike was there at the time
Ayala is currently under Darren Van Der Poel from dark sky
@@TsaiSigh Thanks for the info. I am sad to hear he is not at Ayala.
@@TsaiSigh Is Ike working anywhere right now
@@MoustacheCloud he’s running a studio I believe but not running any programs.
@@TsaiSigh thanks, but, what kind of studio
What’s the story behind this
From what I understand, the whole show is meant as a critique of indoor percussion and the state of modern marching arts as a whole. That's the short answer, but keep reading if you want a more in depth explanation.
The music and drill performed by the battery in the first and final movements are almost exactly the same, only with the battery facing away from the audience for most of the last movement. And the music played by the front ensemble in the last movement is the same as what they play in the interlude, but arranged to fit what the battery is playing. I think the musical aspects of the show are meant to be a slap in the face to judges and to subvert what the activity stands for as a whole.
In my interpretation, a lot of what happens in the show is purposeful nonsense to poke fun at the same trends that most groups tend to follow. I think the opening statement says a lot about what the show means: "Although we are guided by what has come before us, we are also bound by the very same things." In other words, people are quick to draw inspiration from the past, sometimes to the point of blatant imitation. This show was meant to be something new and original while also drawing attention to the creative traps that a lot of groups fall into.
And I believe that the spiteful delivery of the final statement "There. Does that make it better?" is criticizing the audience's tendency to obsess over relatively insignificant parts of performances, like the color of a sleeve. In a lot of cases, those kinds of things don't add much to the show and are just meant to be flashy.
All that being said, I wasn't involved with this show at all so this is all just my interpretation. I hope it at least helps shine some light on what it means for you
Damn, didn’t think it was THAT deep, appreciate the reply 🙏🏽
@@JaketheLumberjack1 something that also just clicked is that there was a design motif of multiple vertical red lines in their previous show in 2016 (on the floor, monitors, and bass heads), and they ended this year's show with revealing that motif on with their uniform as evidence to "make it better"
And they really criticize the fact that while one thing is going on, other aspects aren’t being appreciated, so they isolate one part at a time. Also, the standing on one leg thing they keep doing seems to serve as a stock battery body movement motif that everyone uses
3:30 crypt walk
HOLYYYY
How do you convince a bunch of drummers that probably don't want to dance to well...dance?
Teach them…..
@@drumsnhands2212 I guess that's easy to say when your program is 20+ years in the game, and students coming in more or less know what to expect. But what about the programs with students that have never seen or done this before?
@@brothaNblue it's difficult but not impossible, i've taught a class groups way below this and you can do it but it must gradual and they obviously need to trust your information. Getting them to not be afraid to look different is the first step. Late response but hope it helps
@@drumsnhands2212 How do you teach them if they don't wanna learn in the first place?
Definitely not Ayala 2017
Wrong
Spencer Mar it is wtf
The joke went over both of your heads. It's a trend for people to title show videos as "Definitely not *group actually performing and year*" in order to not get it taken down