WTF Happened To The Indian Grand Prix?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- It should've worked. But it failed. Miserably. So, what the heck happened?
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Seb bowing down before his RB has got to be one of the most iconic images of the V8 era, if not F1 history as a whole.
True
Yeah
most iconic in all of f1 history, have it as poster in my room
I'd say F1 as a whole... F1 in general is a very photogenic sport tbf
Im not sure it will happen but i would love to see max do it when he wins his 4th world title in 2024
After seeing this..... I REALLY hope Josh would do a "What happened to the Malaysian GP?" in the future, and see how would he explain in his own way
After Josh would do for the Malaysian Grand Prix, who's next? South Africa? Turkey? Portugal? Korea? France? Or.....?
WTF happened of Malaysia would be a really short episode
Fans didn't turn up, the circuit owners lost money, Singapore got more popular, Malaysia lost more money and gave up.
The Malaysian crowd were bigger fans of Motorcycle racing
@@MrSniperfox29 still, it would be interesting.. i mean, who knows? Josh Revell would have to research on why MotoGP is more famous in Malaysia other than cheaper tickets
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 what about Hockenheim?
it literally hurts because i've recently gotten into formula 1 and i live like 10 mins away from the track
I live half an hour from the track
Galgotian student bro?
Mee too living in Greater Noida for 10 years now
It hurts that we don't have an Indian GP anymore just bcz of the govt. Greed
Half an hour. Noida
MotoGP this year actually had very similar issues around their event.
Unclear tax situation and many riders' visas only issued hours before their flights took off, so a return of F1 looks unlikely for the near future, imo at least
Yeah, they definitely need to fix their visa system. But a return of F1 is not unlikely. Rumour has it that India is in talks with F1 and even Bin Suleyam said that they would be interested in that if both parties come to an agreement.
@@f1alpaca makes total sense that they want to return to India. As Josh said, the people in charge hear "market of 1.4 billion people" and their pupils turn into dollar signs. Realistically, there is too much headache and paperwork involved for a long-term possibility, I'd say
@@DerGeraet205 That's true. Let's see how MotoGP and Formula E does in India, F1 is closely monitoring those events and I think the success of those events would be a crucial factor if F1 were to return to India in future.
Yup, this was exactly what I wanted to know, since I was not aware about issues with motogp bharat. Even though I live 2 hours away from the circuit.
They need to sort the tax situation with the authoritiesvbefore any contract will be signed by F1. Although if there is genuine interest from the right officials, there shouldn't be any political blockades because both state & union govt are from the same party since 2017.
@@f1alpaca F1 won't go back for the same reason Moto GP won't run out it's full contract. The amount of in-fighting and corruption in India is truly absurd.
I am just happy that Buddh has a permanent place in Seb's WDC history.
And hope it stays that way
Im an Indian and I have been watching F1 since the late 90s and the moment the Indian GP was announced, my thought was "this race won't last more than 4 years". Let's be real; (1) we are not a motorsport mad country let alone F1 (2) most F1 fans in India are casual fans (3) there's no infrastructure for motor racing barring some grade level circuits. The state Governments don't understand the concept of motor racing and will see this event as "rich people thing". Holding a race in India is bound to fail unless we see motor racing as a proper competitive sport.
Let's face it. It really is a rich people thing.
@@aniketprasad3128 yup, it's an expensive sport
Well, I and other of my mates aren't just casual watchers. The thing is, if something has 10k price tag, we'll be thinking it 10¹⁰ times. India has population but are we willing to pay that much when I can just get sub for 5 years for that amount? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
This isn't good logic, at least for now Today, a large section of the Indian population is aspiring and motivated, now an executive IPL ticket costs 25k approx which is a sell-out easily. Also, look at the success of Starbucks in India. I believe some persuasion would have helped, and this was also the pre-Jio era after when the real internet boom happened.
most people going to Miami gp or vegas arent motorsport fans either, I don't think that's the reason why it failed, if you were to hold that same race again, I bet it will be successful. Heck, most new f1 fans are DTS transplants who just show up for an hyped event. It's not about racing. The gov didn't really help much either and for India the tickets needed to be a lot cheaper than they were.
I think the FIA needs to stop being so short-sighted with their decisions. Returning to Buddh and Kyalami should be top priority, because both of those places are new markets with over a billion people who could become new fans of Formula 1. In the long run, that would make far more money than another Middle East or USA race, and F1 would be better off for it anyway. Buddh is an amazing circuit, great for both motorcycles and cars, and would make for some very good racing.
Kyalami is a good circuit, but until it's bought up to FIA Grade 1 certification level, there's no way there's a race happening there sadly.
It's not the FIA it's Liberty Media also F1 makes lots of money in the Middle East races and the Indian government isn't interested in bringing F1
Would it though, when in comes to entertainment spending America spends more than any other country. India might have more people but how many of them would be able afford going to a race.
That's the thing Places like the Middle East and the US have more people who can afford tickets to go to the race but India there are very few and the government is not interested in bringing F1 @@rexthewolf3149
For me, this is the circuit that should be returned first:
1. 🇩🇪 Nürburgring GP-Strecke*
2. 🇩🇪 Hockenheimring*
3. 🇲🇾 Sepang
4. 🇿🇦 Kyalami
5. 🇹🇷 InterCity Istanbul Park
6. 🇵🇹 Portimão/Algarve
7. 🇫🇷 Paul Ricard but with better layout
8. 🇮🇳 Buddh
9. 🇰🇷 Yeongam
* = Held in every two years.
Criminally underrated track.
Bad Politics, Bad Economics... but what a track - Tilke CAN make bloody good circuits.
Sometimes, but most of the time, he makes Untracks.
@@mariadefatimamacedosaez8327 usually the street tracks
@@mariadefatimamacedosaez8327kinda like Istanbul Park, Sepang and Bahrain. Horrible tracks
@@luttren Calling Bahrain horrible is clueless lmao, it's one of the only modern circuits that is technical to drive and actually good for racing.
@@ihavewaited90daystochangem51 think you missed the point. Answered a comment about Tilke designing bad tracks. That’s a thing that’s been blown out of proportion
As an Indian F1 fan, I really appreciate this video. It is just sad how badly the politics fucked it up.
Greetings from 🇮🇩 to 🇮🇳
I love Buddh, too. 🙌
14:10 'The Rupee plummeting faster than a DC-10 in the seventies' holy fuck that one caught me off guard well done to you sir👏
Brilliant line
Literally what I thought
Insane reference. Hahahah!
This is why he's earned the number of subscribers he has.
One point I want to bring since you spoke of MotoGP and passports: Some personnel from the MotoGP teams had same issues as F1, or weren’t even able to make it.
Everyone made it at the end
I am from India and live right next to this track and its my favorit. Hopefully f1 comes back
At least now you have MotoGP
Well yea 😂@@draganluzija3823
Greetings from 🇮🇩 to 🇮🇳
I love Buddh, too. 🙌
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001🇮🇳 🫂🇮🇩
@@arpanabinaswar1811 🇮🇩 🤗🫶 🇮🇳
fun fact the current chief minister was the one givin the first place trophy to the winner of this year's motogp race. times have changed and i think india does have a good chance for f1 gp
Yeah, but we as citizen of the country has to prove f1 that we have the money spending capacity to go to watch race live on track. Coz these big sport event organisers are very scared about less ticket sales and viewership. MotoGP 2024 in india, has to be successful by a big margin from last season
@@hexo1387 there should be a track in mumbai, im sure it will be sold out
My only regret as an F1 fan for over two decades has been not being able to attend an Indian GP. Maybe one day in the distant future.
That future might be near. I heard that India is in talks with F1 for hosting a GP again
Fingers crossed
we heard from some sources after hosting formula e and moto gp this year in 2024 we are gonna host f3 or f4 and in 25 26 hopefully f1 the new govt in up ( the state where bic is ) is good and they know the jobs these wdcs will bring
it's gonna be in gujarat
Mostly never gonna happen
The area in Hyderabad where it was supposed to be is one of the most impressive places I’ve ever seen now, compared to what the rest of the city is like it feels like entering a new country
but buddh is in between UP delhi yamuna expressway?
I literally live 15 mins away from the BIC and I wish that Indian GP returns soon as F1’s fan base has been growing in India exponentially 😭😭
I was at the 2013 GP, next to turn 2 on the grass...easily one of the best days of my life. I was only a measly little seven-year-old, but I remember we couldn't see much of the cars - only what was visible through the barriers. But the sounds, and the smell...it's still burned into my brain. Really hope that F1 returns to India somehow, even if it's an unrealistic dream.
Josh your videos get better and better every year. Please carry on into the new year!
Ngl the track itself was FIRE, it would be soo fun to watch the face
Yo didn’t know they had a moment of silence for Dan Weldon much respect. My first Indy 500 was the one right after his death and they also had a wonderful ceremony and flyover, perfect way to introduce me into the sport
Going back would be a carbon copy of what happened first time... Taxes and visa trouble.
Motogp fell into the same trap this year, with riders nearly not making the Friday practice sessions due to their visas not being ready in time.
Dorna was responsible for the visa issues though.
What tax trouble?
Also to add the current Uttar Pradesh govt now considers F1 and motosports in general as a legitimate sports so the future of f1 if it ever returns in India is bright
Great video, would be amazing to see the Indian GP come back, however, i suspect it may be a long wait sadly.
9:20 MotoGP is now doing the Grand Prix of India since Buddha International Circuit got cleaned up and upgraded
???? Why the timestamp
Excellent work as always.
Thank you so much for this Video!
While the argument that the USA deserves three races due to the size of the country, it is criminal that other countries that should be on the calendar are not.
India would be a great addition as would Malaysia (I really miss that track), and the fact that Africa is still not represented at all as a continent is just mind boggling.
We cannot push for more races than we already have as that is overkill, but we do need something other than multiple races in one country. That does not matter if it's USA, Italy, Spain or the UK, no country should have more than one race.
Malaysia isn't interested in a race because that race, however good you think it was, was a huge money sink that NEVER made a profit.
Kyalami isn't because the FIA don't want to go there (they do, oh they do) it's because the crook of an owner is trying to fleece everyone involved for as much money as possible and the South African government strangely has more important things to waste money on rather than cars go around.
@@MrSniperfox29 but kyalami is an fia grade 2 circuit
@@theneutralguy2317Yes, and to be in F1 they need to be grade 1. Unfortunately the owner will only make the necessary changes once he has conned enough money out of people
Absolutely brilliant video!
Been waiting for this 🥲
big fan here, keep up the good work mate. peace
F1 still might be able to bring back F1 to India, especially now that Formula E, MotoGP as well as many junior category open wheel championship races are being hosted all over India. However, F1 is hugely focused on having the entire calender of american races. With the new government in charge, they are pushing for reforms and better taxation system. RedBull also hosted their street run with David Coulthard on the streets of mumbai which was a blockbuster. Many and many F1 fans and motorsport fans are showing their interests of being able to host more and more races in India.
I severely doubt they are actually pushing for a 4th American race when viewership is just starting to drop even if just a little.
You’re the only “F1 RUclipsr” who makes good content in the off season. Also love your non-F1 content
F1 Unchained makes great honest content as well.
what a great research bro
Nice video Josh!
Thank u Josh! For making a video about my country.
We need a WTF happened to Heikki Kovalainen
For one thing, he went to Japan and competed in SUPER GT until 2021, and now competes part time in the WRC
Words cannot explain the happiness I felt at this video, I don't understand why F1 doesn't want to give us a 2nd chance but will go for more street circuits while we have a track comparable to Spa
Meh, I wouldn't go as far as it being comparable to Spa, it's more in Bahrain, Barcelona, Red Bull Ring, Imola and COTA category imo. I think main issues are more related to the track management and the politics, rather than F1.
I didn't say it's comparable to Spa
Lewis did check his interview@@f1alpaca
@@f1alpacaalso yes
I do agree with the mismanagement, and politics
Every big country should have f1 race
The track where Vettel 100% win record still stands
Went on a work trip last week. Stayed at the Jaypee hotel. Really nice place. Looked at going to the track. They seem to hold track days there now and tours but still state the f1 connection
I am from India I'm sad to see this track gone
Greetings from 🇮🇩 to 🇮🇳
I love Buddh, too. 🙌
Finally a video about this beauty of a track. If any track should make a return it's definitely Buddh international circuit
Merry xmas bud
As a resident of NOIDA, I SO WANT F1 BACK!!
It's quite simple really. Cricket has a lot of political and economical advantage (tickets/viewing is cheap/free) over literally every other sport in India. So it's either going to take a change in the political landscape (not happening anytime soon) or some miracle to make F1 possible in India again
Great video!!! Such events must be promoted rather than seeing them as a cash cow...It would really bring in real time inspiration when local talents get real time exposure of their F1 heroes!! Its a sad thing at the end of the day...But on the brighter side, I think Indian Grand Prix would be back soon..
hope you make another video about korean GP
One thing that wasn’t mentioned was the hotels.
Some MotoGP teams stayed in abysmal conditions and got sick. While others got 5 star hotels but they were like 3 hours away dude to traffic
NOW.. we’re getting somewhere 😂❤
Love your vids Josh! ^^
Buddh was the second phase of Tilke tracks, the first in a long time that was properly good. It had the first iteration of what finally became the COTA turn 1, wonderful solution to a common problem that should be standard on about every track..
Man, one of the Best reasons to play F1 2013 again is this track. I do it 😂 now is hard to find good tracks in every kind of motorsport, i hope MotoGP opens Buddh to everyone.
LOL the DC-10 joke
I'm watching F1 2011 race of Indian GP ... I am watching almost every race since then!
Have to say it's good that India decided to focus on real issues and invest in something like a useless racetrack and cars running around in circles (as Seb would put it)
I was 5 when I attended this race and I wish I could’ve remembered it better
As a F1 indian fan
I really want a indian gp😢
Glad to see the little nod to Mahaveer the Great 😅
As an indian I feel as if the FIA is not concerned for tapping into the indian audience because of the economics. Revenue generated from EU/USA or Oil countries will outweigh what ever and Indian grandprix will produce. Plus the tickets are way to expensive for a huge majority of the existing indian fans. Tax exemptions from the govt can help this but that is highly unlikely. Furthermore the european and american diaspora which can actually afford the tickets wont be eager to travel half the world (spending more money and time ) to attend the grand prix. If FIA abandons its money hungry attitude and actually plays the long term game like IT companies did (atleast in India) there is some hope. But in the near future I dont think it will be happening.
I clearly remember my first f1 race when my dad took me during 2012 season
I really wish F1 would race in India again
To me, even if f1 never returns, I'd love india becoming a regular at the moto gp calendar and maybe holding asian le mans or other gt races
Motorsport popularity needs to be build from the ground up in this country, and regular events are a must for that
Adding in the issue, every state and central government in India have realised the value of sport and the income it generates for them in longer term so I guess tax problem shouldn't be an issue anymore. Other than that as others have rightly mentioned about visa issue faced by a lot of motogp teams as well, I think there's a simple solution to it that teams should apply for visa jointly by hiring a single agency to take care of clearance, though it might cost them a bit more but atleast they wouldn't be bothered by the hassles they faced previously.
they did exactly that, hence why they faced the issues. As far as I remember, they then directly contacted the government and only then could get visas issued.
I went to the 2011 race from Bangalore. It was a pain to get to and get out
This layout was fun to play ON the F1 2011－2013 games
The biggest mistake of the Indian grand prix was the location of the track and ironically it was built in the worst state in india lol 😅
Shoulve been in the south sonewhere
@@darkepic6829 absolutely! States like Tamilnadu has a lot of motorsport influence . The race would have been on the calendar still if it was somewhere in the south away from the money hungry politicians lol
1:12 Kumar Ram Narain Karthikeyan & Karun Chandhok .
3:05
I feel like this track would produce some great wheel to wheel racing so we need to return also there are plans to maybe bring it back for 2025 but I doubt it will happen
Good video 💯
I think there is an amount of corruption involved. I read that the Indian customs were demanding huge amounts for tourists (and I presume press photographers) to bring in photographic and/or video gear.
You got to understand that what’s acceptable in Western countries for years is very new to our shores. You’ve to explain to bureaucrats about the purpose of every single thing as many items have never been seen in India. There are issues which organisers have to sort out behind the scenes before the event goes live, it just wasn’t the right time. The economics argument is the other issue, whether they will have money to run it. Even historic circuits like Nurburgring and Hockenheim are gone, Spa is only renewing for a couple years at a time. The only thing keeping these races alive is the culture, otherwise all make losses.
Tilke borrowed the design of the circuit from the Kyalami grand prix circuit in South Africa
The stock picture at 4:10 has very weird selection of mics for a press conference.. Four dynamic mics, shure sm58 and sm57 (far right and left), the latter being mostly used for loud instruments like guitar cabinets and snare drums.... The second from right i don't recognize, could be sony, akg... anything really, and then what probably is sennheiser vocal mic, another shure but this time Beta87 (which i do like quite a bit...). None of those would be first choice in a press conference, the beta would probably work, the SM's would definitely not.
The selection is more like a "we need some mics" and then grabbing anything from audio department or some sound guys basic toolbox for micing live concert but since they can't all be the same, they took one of each..
14:11 underrated joke right there
FIA needs to scrap Miami and Las Vegas for India and South Africa. We need some actually good circuits with many people who are potential clients.
I honestly want to see this circuit host the FIA WEC.
The track looks so yellow, dusty and smoggy
My dad received free passes for the 2011 indian gp and asked me to go with my friends. But I was a fool and wasnt an f1 fan at that time so I didn't use those passes. Ohh my luck. Hoping for an Indian gp return. Please God. Make it happen.
I love the plane reference
Josh, I know you wont see this but if you could make a vidio on the 2017 24h of Le Mans I whould be very happy atleast
Politics was the main reason... the track is beautiful and drivers loved it ! although we would love to have F1 back in India , will be extremely difficult with an already packed calendar & other countries especially America wanting more tracks. India definitely missed a golden opportunity, but if government can iron out their internal issues , maybe in another 10 years India can throw in their hat again !
Also anyone remember when Vietnam had a track for like a couple of months!!
I’ve got to admit… and your mileage may vary on this… but one of the things I noticed, and it struck me harder than I’d have really thought something like this would, is just how much I miss seeing the ‘old logo’ of the ‘FIA Formula 1 World Championship’. The newness and novelty of the re-design a few years ago quickly lost any appeal in my eyes, and seeing the older graphic design reopened the box of ‘things I really miss about F1’ that I thought I had safely stowed away in my brain. The logo graphic, leading to all of the on-screen graphics packages during free practices, quali, the GP itself, and so on.
Likely because the time period of the logo change also included a deluge of other changes which in retrospect I wish the Good Idea Fairy had just kept to her damned self if I’m honest. Size of the cars, weight of the cars, turbos that murdered the (I don’t know any other word to use than…) JOYOUS scream of the naturally aspirated engines.
Along this time period Formula 1 was transformed from a weirdly addictive ‘must-see’ motorsport event… into ‘something else on TV’ that somehow is loosely associated with the notion of motorsport.
Sorry to have gone on this boomer-ish tangentially related rant. But, man… I keep having fewer and fewer things about today’s F1 that make me even think about following. I’m down to pretty much just Josh Revell. 😉🤣
The Indian GP surely did seem to go ‘poof’ though didn’t it?!?
But which circuits do you drop, to fit it in? The only ones F1 seem to keep on short deals a d talk about dropping, are the classic European tracks - and no! To dropping any of them.
Another great episode, thank you!
I only knew of the Greater Noida track as we saw it 3 times. And it was shown in a local F1 magazine around that time, when there was a lot to do about it. Never knew of that other track. I liked the India track more then the China or Korea one tbh. Too bad we didn't had a Vietnam race, not even once !
I just saw yesterday that Chandhok is co-designer on a new Indian track. Don't know the details....
But Josh didn't you already mention the India GP enough times ? Or is that a miss remembrance on my side ?
It would be stupid seeing this never return in F1, when population wise it has so much potential even money-wise
Ah perfect content to watch while having rice and chicken curry.
great vid
As an Indian, I am actually proud of your pronounciations 👏👏👏
Greetings from 🇮🇩 to 🇮🇳
I love Buddh, too. 🙌
BIC and current F1 cars are a perfect match, it would be an instant classic!
Hi Josh,
I am an Indian who was obsessed with Formula 1 from 2008 to 2015 and that coincided with the Indian GP becoming a reality. It was a source of excitement and pride that the country and state I belonged to got to be part of F1 history. Sadly it was ruined by vendetta politics of Akhilesh Yadav and will always hate him and his party for robbing a generation of F1 fans from watching their favorite drivers in front of their eyes.
Hopefully the recent MotoGP held in Buddh Internation Circuit is a start of a potential return to F1. As you rightfully mentioned India is the biggest market in the world right now which cannot be ignored. Especially with the recent news that the state government of Gujarat is looking into the feasibility of building a Street Circuit in GIFT City(a special economic zone which lies between Gandhinagar and Ahmedabad). Though they are giving that responsibility to Hermann Tilke again, so hope its not a Tilkedrome as u call it
love this
they needed to give hanoi a second chance, so it could prove itself
Interesting how Hyderabad ended up getting their street circuit after all, with Formula E
I've said for years, this track, like the Istanbul Autodrome, in any other country would be on the calender for decades. But unfortunatly, two brillient tracks are situated in countries that dont care about F1
I hope F1 comes back here..... Specially I want they create a circuit here in Kolkata.....
At least the track is on the MotoGP calendar now.
I really love that straight
Another difference from 2013 and now is there have been a change of government in both Uttar Pradesh and centre
SEB's Indian RB bow>>>
F1 in india has come a long way since then. There are so much more f1 fans now (Partly thanks to DTS). If they build an F1 track again in india, I think it'll very well welcomed by the fans
The Indian GP circuit was great. Produced a lot of good racing. Very disappointing to lose it. If done right, cities makes billions from having a GP. São Paulo for examples makes huge amounts of money from the annual Interlagos GP.