I do agree that it is impossible to be a true theologian if we do not study the teachings of the Church Fathers. I will never forget how I felt the very first time I started to study the Church Fathers. I highly recommend their teachings. Origen is the number one theologian. Ignatius lures your soul into purity. You will develop a very strong desire to be holy once you start studying their writings.
@@cruzgomes5660she’s talking about either the name of one of the fathers or one of their writings. You can go to a website by searching up early church fathers writings, they write about many things
@@FourKidsNoMoney Origen Adamantius was NOT a heretic. The hierarchy did not understand his most profound interpretations of Scripture, additionally, they did not want his revelations to be known by the Laity. They wanted to be in control of all the writings and sermons to keep the sheep in ignorance of the Divine mysteries.
When I was considering Catholicism, someone suggested a book called Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn. He mentioned the church fathers as what converted him so I wanted to read them. I haven’t read all of them, but enough to know they were Catholic. They also converted me. I want to read more about them this year.
I was listening to the answer from the listeners questions: the difference between hope and faith. Bishop Barron your way of explaining so clearly all this questions it is truly a gift from God. All your videos I have listened to so far, have helped me grow in faith, and understand of the life of our Lord Jesus. I read the New Testament many times, but it didn’t help me much, or made sense. Now when I listen to your sermons, the Bible makes sense. Thank you for your spiritual guidance.
What I have experienced is that by knowing the founding fathers of the Church I’ve got to love even more our faith... their teachings, their life are really inspiring. Bishop Barron, you are doing an amazing work spreading the gospel and opening the eyes of those who wants to see... God bless you.
@@jlurodriguez8262 According to God and Jesus not me: Read the Bible only and not the doctrine and tradition of the Catholic church. The New Testament tells us how to live today.
@@scootergreen3 .. ‘Sola Scripture ’ I’ve heard that before.. sounds like Martin Luther ?? It’s not like that.. the scripture is like an ocean where you can get lost easily if there’s someone to explain it to you in the right way.. and that’s the roll that plays our priest, deacons and Bishops in the Catholic Church.. and the tradition we follow and believe in is the same one that followed and believed the first followers of Jesus Christ meaning the apostles then it was passed on for generations to the present day my friend. So I am convinced and I believe that the Catholic Church/faith is the one true and only that comes from Jesus himself. Blessings brother !
@@scootergreen3 You got that wrong my friend. Jesus did not hand out bibles to the Apostles. He established a church and sent out the Apostles to preach the Gospel. The teaching of the early Church Fathers is pristine, pure Cristian Teaching. Nothing can come closer to the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles than Patristic Teaching. Thousands of protestant pastors have turned Catholics by reading the Church Fathers
Enjoyed the conversation very moving emotionally and mentally stimulating, historic figures to church and practicing what they did and believe continues in the Catholic community.
Thank you Bishop Baron for this excellent fire you fuel in me for my studying of Theology. I am a first-year theological student at the Immaculate Conception Seminary School of Theology. Honestly, sitting in a long lecture about the Church Fathers has left me winded and disoriented. I didn't know why I was sitting there zipping through the years that were long past. What do these Church figures have to do with me and my goal of being a priest to follow Jesus, to serve the Church and her people? But from your video, I'm quickly resolved to find out the real reason. The examples left by the Church Father not only serve as a window into the early life of the Church, but also how Christians back then lived and their struggles of the Faith. More importantly, their examples aren't just mirrors that inspire but ones to imitate for theirs is the more pristine imitation of Christ himself. I am excited to have found a beacon of hope in my study of theology. I have no aspiration to become a great thinker or theologian for the Catholic Chruch because quite frankly, I don't have the gear. However, excelling at my study and winning over the struggle to stay alive in the classroom are my victories. Thank you again for the inspiring and call-to-action video.
I was greatly relieved to hear Brandon name ST. Justin Martyr in the end. Involved in the "Jesus People" movement in the early 70's, and majoring in History, my life has been impacted by what, as far as I know, are the first clear descriptions of the Eucharist as very recognizably the Mass, and "the memoirs of the Apostles", pretty unambiguously the Gospels. The quite certain date of Justin Martyr's writings shows that these elements were present in the apostolic Church, and disallow the late dates cited by militant atheists and other enemies of the Church. I hope that after these comments it doesn't disappoint you that I am an ACNA Anglican.
"that all may be one. As you Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me." - JESUS (John 17:21) Genuine Catholics all eagerly look toward and pray for the day and the moment when there will be only one Church of Jesus. Stay blessed☆
It is my hope that your Christianity is solidly based enough to turn away from any Anglican approval of perversion and sin. The Anglican lost it's tap root with the king who felt getting an heir was more important than serving the King who was denying him the same. Organizations founded by only men are inevitably primed to fall under the devils attack ... one way or another. Christ promised that HIS church would stand always ... and that even the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. Today it seems we have a poisoner of the church in the chair of Peter. Even that will not prevail against the Lord. Remember that ONLY HE is the HEAD of His church. The pope is NOT above Him. Love and prayers for you and yours.
@@JenMichel100 Probably because the catholic Church teaches salvation by grace through faith but not faith alone. BTW, the Church fathers were Catholic who recognized the papacy and celebrated Mass and taught Catholic theology.
"They were all going back... and finding something extraordinarily fresh. Almost like forgotten treasures." Your Eminence, you've summed up the Extraordinary form of the Mass for me.
@@marypinakat8594 Which the Novus Ordo is not; that is, a valid and legitimate Mass, but not the Last Supper. It unfortunately is a dated creation of the 60s, and I hope that people realize that the beauty and ritualism of the Latin Mass is far more timeless, with Trent only codifying what already existed for hundreds of years; and implement such timelessness into the Novus Ordo, if not scrap the Novus Ordo entirely and allow the Latin Mass, if not in the Latin Mass in the vernacular. The Apostles didn't sing "Lord of the Dance" at the Last Supper, nor did they dance around at the Last Supper being "moved by the Holy Spirit."
@@mattb9914 Jesus said that *if we love as he loved us, his life will be our very own.* Why is it that your argument is overly tainted with contemptuous sentiments?
@@marypinakat8594 What about my argument is "contemptuously sentimental?" Your argument is that the Novus Ordo is more like the Last Supper, and I'm saying that's a garbage argument. Mind you that the person posting wasn't even RAISING an argument; he feels that the Latin Mass is a lost treasure, and it is. And you attacked him. Despite it being nothing more than an ad-hominem fallacy, let's take your argument to the fullest extent possible. As you said, if you love one another as Jesus loved us, His life will be our own. So why are you attacking a man who said that the Latin Mass is a lost treasure, and accusing him of not following Jesus? (Which, by the way, necessarily means, according to your worldview, that the Catholic Church disappeared off the face of the Earth for 500 years, if not longer; because the Catholic Church was promoting a spiritually harmful Mass for 500 years, and ergo, the Catholic Church couldn't be the Catholic Church). The Novus Ordo has so much elements, not only which modern scholarship has shown to be not at all ancient (for example, facing the people, which no liturgical rite or rubric has had in the history of the Church except for ONE Malankara text of dubious origin and the Liturgy of James (the lattermost which has been identified as a nontypical Mass, as it calls for 12 Priests to be present); another example is the laity in the performance of clerical functions), but also which are clear innovations, such as the "contemptuously sentimental" hymnals that are dated and stuck in the 60s. Again, Lord of the Dance was not sung at the Last Supper. Neither were guitars used, neither were drums used, neither were pagan dancers with incense.
You tell me which one of these is farthest from the Last Supper, and which one is the farthest in time period and praxis to the Last Supper. ruclips.net/video/Jlj1NXiRx8I/видео.html Res Ipsa Loquitor.
My wife and I watched this as one of our 2-3 ongoing religious study home sessions. I was disappointed in that Bishop Barron appeared to be winging it instead of having a well prepared presentation. It is great to learn his personal experiences with the church fathers and his favorite one ... but as a student I was hoping for more. Still, thank you for the video. Something is better than nothing ... and from the comments a lot of folks liked it. Personally I like a different categorization of these gifted men. 1st 300 - 500 years = Fathers of the church; also Doctors of the church. After 500 years = Doctors of the church who were sunk deeply into the original Fathers of the Church data. The impact for a Protestant [of which I was around 50 years ago] is favorable to the 'Original Church'. The general orientation towards later churchmen did not hold that crown of authority so much. Just saying. Again, thank you for the video.
Thank you Bethany for the most pertinent Question (26:15 - 26:39) *The Theological Virtues* are GIFTS from God. One cannot act one's way toward them. While *Faith is the DOOR* that fundamentally opens us to the reality of God, *Hope COLOURS* the whole of our life." *(Bishop Barron* in answer to Bethany) 26:40 - 28:52
Great, except we never abandoned them. Holy Orthodoxy on the other hand, decided to throw out all the things that Clement said about the Primacy of Rome, I wonder why. To be fair, there are many Orthodox that are well aware of that fact, but they try to explain it away. If holy Orthodoxy was true, why do some Bishops say contraceptives aren't wrong? Why do others say that a Catholic who becomes Orthodox, must be re chrismated? Why do others say that he doesn't have to be? Why do some Bishops say contraceptives are wrong, but others don't? Orthodoxy is the beauty of Byzantine worship, with the doctrinal chaos of Anglicanism. Without a central voice, I fear that Holy Orthodoxy could lead someone very well into heresy, and I have seen some evidence of semi-pelagianism being taught in holy Orthodoxy, such as the denial of original sin. Do not misunderstand me, I am not saying someone who is Orthodox cannot be holy or good or even a saint, what I am saying, is that for Orthodoxy to be truly orthodox , it must be in communion with the pope of Rome. Also, Bishop amongst equals, besides being non-historic, is self-contradictory, take, for example the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. Sometime in the 1700s, I don't remember the exact year, a pro Catholic patriarch was elected as the patriarch of Antioch. Now, he was an Arab and wanted communion with Rome. So what did Constantinople do? Declare the election invalid and put a Greek in. This is why you have parallel Greek Orthodox and Catholic patriarchates of Antioch to this day. If it were truly Bishop amongst equals, Constantinople would have no authority over what happens in Antioch.
With all that, I hope you know, that I still have great respect for what holy Orthodoxy has right, like the seven holy Mysteries, a priesthood that can trace itself back to the apostles, and some very wonderfully holy people.
Adam Hovey It’s all politics and I really don’t care about that. I’m sure the orthodox don’t question the primacy of Rome, but its supremacy. But the important thing is I think, that it’s just not about that. As far as I know, Jesus came to unify mankind with God, not to decide who rules over what part of the church. If we, for a moment, not deal with worldly affairs (which the question of the pope is, honestly), we could be on a real way of church unity. The schism is a thousand year problem, but we need to be really careful in orchestrating the possible re-unification. It most probably will never happen, we have very old historical wounds, but what a dream it would be for us to be one again, as Christ prayed for us. And concerning the “who got it right” argument, I have one passive-agressive remark that I will surely regret and for which I am apologising in advance: It’s not the orthodox who produced the reformation, secularism and thus by extension the modernist anti-Christian philosophies and ideologies which now poison our modern times ;)
Pat Aherne yes I am very interested in the Catholic Church. The One Holy Orthodox Catholic Church 😊 Jokes aside, I, apart from most orthodox, really admire Aquinas and the scholastics. Though I am more fond of Meister Eckhart and Bonaventura, but they are more on the mystical platonic end of the scholastic spectrum
Bishop Barron, I recently listened to your conversation with Dr William Lane Craig (which I loved). In that discussion, you mentioned that the ontological argument was your favourite argument for God's existence. I was wondering whether you could make a video explaining the argument in detail and responding to common objections. God Bless!
@Mountaindew The ignorance and bitter hate you have is disheartening. Leave cool muso from your negligence. The deep and rich understanding us Catholics have of the Holy Bible is beyond what any other denomination has. Instead of just believing word for word like the Protestants, we find the true meaning and true faith to God, without having to sacrifice our intellect. Watch some of Bishop Barron's videos of genesis, creation, etc.
@Mountaindew so how does Moses refer to the Jews he is leading out of Egypt? Your comments reflect what Moses' calls the Jews in his conversation with God. Maybe take a listen to Dale Martin (from Yale) New testament History and Literature. Also please read Bishop Barron's brief book 'Letter to a Suffering Church'
Bishop Robert Barron Well as a formal alter server (I believe I’ve served beside once before my family left Los Angeles) and Catholic in general I’m not gonna refuse a Bishops orders. I’m on it. Pray it gains traction!
I am a returning catholic, grew up as, baptized, confirmation etc. After being blown up in Afghanistan and surgeries etc I am getting back into it. But still hesitant on some beliefs on catholics. Ill admit I might favor eastern orthodox more. But I could be wrong and maybe do not know enough.
@@shellieperreault6262 luther...the same guy who added by faith alone into the bible in romans where it never existed? Wanted to remove the book of James. Was morally a very questionable guy. No thanks.
Had that Lost In Space model myself, Bishop. Had a shelf my late father of fond memory made and put up in my room that held it and also all the Aurora monster model kits I bought with paper route money and assembled and painted; Dracula, Werewolf, Creature From The Black Lagoon, Frankenstein, The Mummy, The Hunchback, etc. Fun to recall them. I still have the shelf my dad built. Sadly, all the models eventually fell victim to the backyard activities that developed the year i got my first BB gun ;) Boys could very much be boys in those days... and we were!
I remember I had a “Say It-Play It” and I recorded the first landing on the moon with it. That may be the tape machine Bishop was speaking about that his father gave him.
I was given a book called "All roads lead to Rome"... but you have to go back further than that to as it was in the beginning , that is the beginning of the Church Age just after the resurrection and Ascension of Christ to the upper room
Wonder if you could do a discussion in either the next set or a separate video on the Catholic theology of deification. It's been my favorite topic that I've been researching so far.
@@carlitohanks5959 I was originally actually going to mention the fact the series omits anything too Catholic (i.e. Church Father ref. that are quite Marian or testify to the Magesterium etc.). However, the work compiles quotes from the Fathers, this is hardly a protestant work in that respect. It in no wise fits into Leo XIII's warning. Sure, they make some introductory comments in each volume, but it's the Fathers - Catholic Fathers. There may be a bias selection from the Fathers, but still, it's the Fathers writings. If only us Catholics would produce such works - there is nothing of this caliber available at all. A Catholic is not going to be led astray by the Fathers, only aided.
It pains me to see how the protestant clan turns their nose up at the early church fathers and the Didache as they continue to disassemble the Liturgy of the Word and the Sacraments (Mysteries) that "pattern" the worship that occurs on God's Holy Sabbath Mountain; And I'm not a Catholic, either. In fact, most of the protestant clan has also tossed the Old Testament to the wayside; which is an integral part of our faith that allows us to accurately discern the New Covenant with the echo, archetypes, and shadows of things to come in Christ. "Christians" are a very stubborn breed in that we are so very often the ones who reject God's Word with an intensity that rivals the godless.
Simply, it is in the LXX- the cannon used by Greek speaking Jews, and not in the Hebrew cannon. The argument for Catholics was that if the Greek translation of the OT was good enough for the Apostles, then it is good enough for us. The Protestant argument is that if the original priests and later rabbis of Judaism didn't think the books were worthy to be in the cannon, then they weren't. Protestants go further into studying the theological conflicts between the apocrypha vs the rest of the cannon. In general, the conclusion is that the apocrypha is inferior in its writing, literary quality, and theology. Martin Luther encouraged it to be read and included it in his German translation of the bible, but discouraged its use in theology and that is the official position of the Lutheran church. Other Protestants reject it completely. It should be know, that the Apocrypha was originally in the KJV bible and wasn't removed until printers in the New World realized it was more profitable to print bibles without it (figuring most Protestants wouldn't miss the extra 300 pages). The Eastern Orthodox have even more books in their cannon (as does the Ethiopian church). Studying why the Catholic church rejects those books will help you to understand the Protestant position better, since there is a role reversal in the case of the Apocrypha.
A Christian loves the Cross and carries it. He loves the Christ and he accepts that the world hates him. The Holy Spirit is on him and enlightens him (Cardinal Nguyen Van Thuan).
With integrity, one cannot return to the Church Fathers and act as if the Scholastics never existed, nor was there any valid development between the Church Fathers and now. What is the fruit of this "hopeful" approach? Is the Church thriving? Are souls being converted and the world submitting to Christ and His Holy Church or is the world converting the parts of the church to them?
Mary Pinakat you my dear sister. Every comment you replied with your advertisement. That’s a huge turn off. And it looks like your comments have been deleted anyway
The Church indubitably thrived for 2000 years. Only now are we seeing the situation which Jesus described as, "When the Son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" Apostasy, etc.
Hello - Theology in the Orthodox Church is the experience of God (that is of course healing ) and an empirical experience. Meaning that theology be just an elaborated commentary on the Bible, while the entire practice is there in order to experience God more and more until . In this case, why would we elaborate comments while the calling is for an actual exercise? I think this is a decision each of us has to make: to talk about it or to exercise it. :-)
You know, this may seem like a "duh" moment for many of you, but for myself, growing-up in the Protestant tradition of Christianity, specifically, on the non-calvanist side of it at that. The biggest difference between Protestanism vs Non-Protestanism is "church history" and "church fathers." The only people that matters are in the Bible pretty much, and I never knew about it growing-up. Strange, I'd also say within Protestanism itself, church history is more of a thing on the Calvaist side too, but why is it church history isn't that important for Protestants? I'm sure it is for Pastors and folks that have studied at Bible college, but walk into any pentecostal, baptist, methodists, christian church in America and ask a random person in the congregation about the history of the church, and I bet 98 percent of people will only mentioned things in the Bible and nothing else.
@@eternallight88 I'm sure your comment was in jest about how Joe always brings that up, but to give a serious response: bishop Barron was asked about psychedelic experiences recently on a men's health exercise podcast. He was skeptical of them qualifying as 'legitimate spiritual experiences', generally dismissive, & quickly brushed the question aside. Despite my own (emphsis on my own) interests about psychdelics, I appreciate what a priest said about them. They're primarily destructive (at least during consumption) and therefore should be avoided. Likewise there's a quote, something like, " beware of unearned wisdom" and from my field research there's truth in that. I did seem to be accessing something not intended, not deserved. Was it an artifice? Was there some of the true the good the beautiful in it? Idk? Regardless Joe recently had Dawkins on and the good bishop does a great job debunking his arguments. Unfortunately, doing so on the WOF podcast is almost literally preaching to the choir. I'm sure a ton of 'nones' & non practing Catholics (I was 1) listen to joe. So I think It'd be a heck of a conversation, and a great evangelical opportunity to really get out beyond the walls of the church.
@@Minutemanly I'm sure that's not a precursor to being on the show, given the variety of people he's talked too. I'm sure I've heard him say I'll talk to anyone."
Did Thomas Aquinas actually say after a profound spiritual experience (of the summa) that it is as much as straw compared to his experience of connection?
😇😇😇👼🔥 Bishop if i die someday my seraphine and my guard Angel and my martyr will be with me at Ends? There no way for stay separated? If the answer is yes, so understand why i'm try
Merry Christmas Novena d1: Pray End to Abortion O Lord, infant Jesus, fill us with Joy! The birth of any child is a cause for joy and so much more is the birth of You, our Savior. We pray in union with Mary, Your mother, for a greater joy this Christmas.... May Your Holy Will be done in my life and with these intentions. Hail Mary..Glory Be..Amen
Another sick trick by the Easter Bunny Church. Clement, Ignatius and Polycarb were not Catholics. They were Messianic and the Catholic Church was only invented in 325.
I'm also getting started with the Church Fathers, I chose to read them cronologically starting with the Apostolic Fathers. I'm going to buy Michael L. Holmes' translation because I heard good things about it
It is my understanding that Origen was an early Christian writer but never recognized as a “ Church Father “ although he contributed a great deal to early Christian understanding.
@@BishopBarron Thank you Bishop Barron, I have been unable to locate an official list of those considred to be " Church Fathers ", some include lists include Tertullian there is no question Oregin was a profound early Christian author, can you refer me to an authorized list of Church Fathers or defined characteristics. Merry Christmas and thanks for all you do do for the Church.
Didicae? Penguin? Pope Benedict 16 has homilies in books. The “ancient Christian commmentary series” has commentary excerpts of the early fathers on scripture
The only one we should refer to is our LORD JESUS …. The rituals that all denominations do are man made…the things Bishop Barron and any man of the cloth is to bring people to Jesus and He alone
I’d argue that the Great Fathers were those in the 2nd and early-mid 3rd century CE. After that you more have apologetics trying to harmonize issues within the Christian churches.
Im curious about this. I wonder if he'll talk about who wrote which books of the bible and how they decide which were real or not. Different denominations of christians have more or less books in their bibles and have completely different interpretations of them. Did the church fathers envision thousands of different christians when they started?
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@@willgreer4673 I don't know about the link, and I wouldn't care to know. Thanks for the *'scare alert'.* You shouldn't have given yourself away. *(Comment regretted. There was oversight on my part in not seeing that the reply is not from 'Ellie Sarke.')*
Why are some people so preoccupied wuth the 'church farhers'? Are they not satisfied with the words of Jesus & his apostles? Are they not aware of Paul's stark warnings about the "Men who wouls speak twisted things to draw the discples after themselves" ( Acts 20:28-30)? Surelt the Holy bible "fully equips us for EVERY good work"? ( 1 Tim 3:17). Lets just stick to the bible, its "inspired by God" and NOT by men!
You need to read the early fathers so as to gain a better understanding of original Christianity ie Catholicism The bible was not mass printed until the 16th century & even then, most people were illiterate so only in recent centuries have more people learnt to read, so for 90% of Christianity, people could not read the Bible, one proof that SS is both unworkable & unbiblical, pls don’t quote 2 Tim 3:16-17 is it does not prove that the bible is the only authority. To complement Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition has existed from the time of Christ.2 Thes 2:15 hold fast to the Traditions both written & oral. The early fathers either knew the apostles or knew people who knew the apostles & wrote about the Church for approx the first hundred years documenting her practices & teachings, most of which describe the CC of our time. There is no unanimity amount the early fathers on all topics, however, their uninspired writings have given the Church an invaluable insight into the Church before your bible was codified by the CC in 382 If you seriously want to find out how the early Church operated, read some of the early fathers like St Ignatius! However, a spoiler alert, many who read their writings become convinced by the Truth of His One True Church
@@geoffjs Having read 'Ignatius' its clear that he did not suggest or refer to the 'trinity'! or 'The immortal soul' or 'Mary, ever virgin' e.t.c. I do take exception with his insistance over and over again that those who he wrote to must be totally obedient to and subserviant to the 'bishops'. Jesus is our master! No men! Paul made this clear be saying "We arer not the Masters of your faith, but fellow servants" ( 2 Cor 1:254 ).
@@kiwihans100. Jesus, in His genius, gave us His One True Church with hierarchy & authority which is the pillar & salvation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 that codified your bible in 382. Without hierarchy & authority, no entity from family to corporates & govt can survive, thus Protestantism is unsustainable. Without SCOTUS to interpret the Constitution, citizens would crest chaos by making personal interpretation. Protestantism with unbiblical personal interpretation, has resulted in many “truths” the cause of the modern day scourge of relativism & wokeism, which, unfortunately, has rubbed of on the CC.
Blasphemy, Now of the things which we have spoken this is *the sum* We have such an high priest, (of the order of Melchizedek; chapter 7) who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty *in the heavens* A minister of *the sanctuary* and of the true tabernacle, *which the Lord pitched and not man* For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. (His life; "no greater love"...) For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests [Levitical] that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and *shadow* of *heavenly things* as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make *the tabernacle* for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to *the pattern* shewed to thee in the mount. *But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry* by how much also *he* is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. *For if that first covenant had been faultless then should no place have been sought for the second* For *finding fault with them* he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make *a new covenant* with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; *I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts* and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: {Hebrews 8:1-10} (Jer 31:31-33)
These "church fathers" expose the evolution of the apostasy, prophesied by the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians. 2 Thes. 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; And again: Acts 20:29-30 - For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. The Apostle John also predicted this apostasy: 1 John 2:18-19 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. The "church fathers" show us how this apostasy evolved (devolved?).
31 of the first 32 bishops of Rome (i.e. Popes) were slaughtered as martyrs. If being Pope was of no account and meaningless then why did these 31 Pope willingly to to the slaughter believing otherwise?
Even secular history disagrees with you! Jesus est His One True Church, Mt 16 18-19 with Peter as His first representative or Prime Minister Isa 22:22 which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 which Ignatius named as Katholikos or Universal in 107AD which codified your bible in 382AD which has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men & is the longest existing human institution. Eph 4:3-6 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism. Fact check if you don’t believe me.
I do agree that it is impossible to be a true theologian if we do not study the teachings of the Church Fathers. I will never forget how I felt the very first time I started to study the Church Fathers. I highly recommend their teachings. Origen is the number one theologian. Ignatius lures your soul into purity. You will develop a very strong desire to be holy once you start studying their writings.
Origen?
@@cruzgomes5660she’s talking about either the name of one of the fathers or one of their writings. You can go to a website by searching up early church fathers writings, they write about many things
Shame about what happened to Origen being a heretic because yes at one point he was a powerhouse
@@FourKidsNoMoney Origen Adamantius was NOT a heretic. The hierarchy did not understand his most profound interpretations of Scripture, additionally, they did not want his revelations to be known by the Laity. They wanted to be in control of all the writings and sermons to keep the sheep in ignorance of the Divine mysteries.
When I was considering Catholicism, someone suggested a book called Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn. He mentioned the church fathers as what converted him so I wanted to read them. I haven’t read all of them, but enough to know they were Catholic. They also converted me. I want to read more about them this year.
B/c this is catholic is exactly why I WON’T watch it. Don’t trust the RCC.
One of my local Fathers recommended that book, now I start RCIA on Thursday
@@bethelshiloh you should change your username then
Welcome home
@@bethelshiloh thats becasue you were brought up by protestants who greatly distort the catholic fatih!
It is so refreshing to hear a Bishop discuss the Word of God and apostolic writings. This is what Christians should do when we get together.
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I love history, especially Catholic history!
Have you ever heard Iraqi Christian Prayers (Chaldean / Assyrian)
I was listening to the answer from the listeners questions: the difference between hope and faith. Bishop Barron your way of explaining so clearly all this questions it is truly a gift from God. All your videos I have listened to so far, have helped me grow in faith, and understand of the life of our Lord Jesus. I read the New Testament many times, but it didn’t help me much, or made sense. Now when I listen to your sermons, the Bible makes sense. Thank you for your spiritual guidance.
What I have experienced is that by knowing the founding fathers of the Church I’ve got to love even more our faith... their teachings, their life are really inspiring.
Bishop Barron, you are doing an amazing work spreading the gospel and opening the eyes of those who wants to see... God bless you.
He's not spreading the Gospel he's spreading the Catholic churches false doctrine of the Devil.
@@scootergreen3 .. so tell us Mike.. which is the true gospel according to you ??
@@jlurodriguez8262 According to God and Jesus not me: Read the Bible only and not the doctrine and tradition of the Catholic church. The New Testament tells us how to live today.
@@scootergreen3 .. ‘Sola Scripture ’ I’ve heard that before.. sounds like Martin Luther ?? It’s not like that.. the scripture is like an ocean where you can get lost easily if there’s someone to explain it to you in the right way.. and that’s the roll that plays our priest, deacons and Bishops in the Catholic Church.. and the tradition we follow and believe in is the same one that followed and believed the first followers of Jesus Christ meaning the apostles then it was passed on for generations to the present day my friend.
So I am convinced and I believe that the Catholic Church/faith is the one true and only that comes from Jesus himself.
Blessings brother !
@@scootergreen3 You got that wrong my friend. Jesus did not hand out bibles to the Apostles. He established a church and sent out the Apostles to preach the Gospel. The teaching of the early Church Fathers is pristine, pure Cristian Teaching. Nothing can come closer to the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles than Patristic Teaching. Thousands of protestant pastors have turned Catholics by reading the Church Fathers
The gift of tears is the most beautiful gift. 💝🔥
*Which Type of Catholic Are You?*
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I love ❤️ your Series on the History of the Catholic Church ❤🙏🏻
Thank you for all your work and the work of Word on Fire, it is life giving and exactly what our age needs. Praise God!
The Catholic church serves the Devil.
@@scootergreen3 lol like you devil
Best interviewer I've ever heard, and of course Bishop Barron is great as usual. Thanks!
Look at the church father's who died for the faith God bless them all
They earned there place in heaven
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jetson jose Are you my brother in the catholic faith ?
Enjoyed the conversation very moving emotionally and mentally stimulating, historic figures to church and practicing what they did and believe continues in the Catholic community.
Protestant here, I agree with going back to the Fathers...just put a book on hold at the Library with that in mind.
Did you read the Church Fathers? They're great!
Yeah, where are you now?
You are all amazing. Thank you for this gift.
Prayer Intention…Theological Virtues; Faith, Hope….May God’s Will be Done🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾
Thank you again Word On Fire…Wow!
Thank you Bishop Baron for this excellent fire you fuel in me for my studying of Theology. I am a first-year theological student at the Immaculate Conception Seminary School of Theology. Honestly, sitting in a long lecture about the Church Fathers has left me winded and disoriented. I didn't know why I was sitting there zipping through the years that were long past. What do these Church figures have to do with me and my goal of being a priest to follow Jesus, to serve the Church and her people? But from your video, I'm quickly resolved to find out the real reason. The examples left by the Church Father not only serve as a window into the early life of the Church, but also how Christians back then lived and their struggles of the Faith. More importantly, their examples aren't just mirrors that inspire but ones to imitate for theirs is the more pristine imitation of Christ himself. I am excited to have found a beacon of hope in my study of theology. I have no aspiration to become a great thinker or theologian for the Catholic Chruch because quite frankly, I don't have the gear. However, excelling at my study and winning over the struggle to stay alive in the classroom are my victories. Thank you again for the inspiring and call-to-action video.
I was greatly relieved to hear Brandon name ST. Justin Martyr in the end. Involved in the "Jesus People" movement in the early 70's, and majoring in History, my life has been impacted by what, as far as I know, are the first clear descriptions of the Eucharist as very recognizably the Mass, and "the memoirs of the Apostles", pretty unambiguously the Gospels. The quite certain date of Justin Martyr's writings shows that these elements were present in the apostolic Church, and disallow the late dates cited by militant atheists and other enemies of the Church. I hope that after these comments it doesn't disappoint you that I am an ACNA Anglican.
"that all may be one. As you Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me." - JESUS (John 17:21)
Genuine Catholics all eagerly look toward and pray for the day and the moment when there will be only one Church of Jesus. Stay blessed☆
Ya glad to see more Anglicans here!
It is my hope that your Christianity is solidly based enough to turn away from any Anglican approval of perversion and sin. The Anglican lost it's tap root with the king who felt getting an heir was more important than serving the King who was denying him the same. Organizations founded by only men are inevitably primed to fall under the devils attack ... one way or another. Christ promised that HIS church would stand always ... and that even the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. Today it seems we have a poisoner of the church in the chair of Peter. Even that will not prevail against the Lord. Remember that ONLY HE is the HEAD of His church. The pope is NOT above Him. Love and prayers for you and yours.
Thank you so very much for these outstanding videos! May God bless you both!
Thank you Bishop Barron an d Word on Fire ... i look forward to the second part in. A week
I thank you for this wonderful and important subject. God bless all
I love the writings of the apostolic fathers.
The church fathers believe on salvation by grace not by works. So why are you a catholic?
@@JenMichel100 Probably because the catholic Church teaches salvation by grace through faith but not faith alone.
BTW, the Church fathers were Catholic who recognized the papacy and celebrated Mass and taught Catholic theology.
Recommended: The Sunday Sermons of the Great Church Fathers: A Manual of Preaching, Spiritual Reading, and Meditation. Ignatius Press 4 Volumes
*The Great Schism*
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Thank you for this reference.
Our Lord's peace and love to you.
Thank you Mommy Mary! Thank you God Father, Son and Holy Spirit! Thank you all Glory from God! Thank you blessed Souls of Purgatory!
I transitioned from Baptist to Lutheran, Catholic direction as mentioned in large part due to the church fathers.
Dell: Next step home to the Catholic Church.
@@Anon.5216look into orthodoxy aswell
Thank you Bishop and Brandon.
Thank You Bishop Barron
me encantan sus programas, saludos desde México
This is the stuff I subscribe for, thanks
"They were all going back... and finding something extraordinarily fresh. Almost like forgotten treasures."
Your Eminence, you've summed up the Extraordinary form of the Mass for me.
"They were all going back to the Church Fathers and *farther back ... to the Bible.*
*THE LAST SUPPER = Extraordinary form of the Mass*
@@marypinakat8594 Which the Novus Ordo is not; that is, a valid and legitimate Mass, but not the Last Supper. It unfortunately is a dated creation of the 60s, and I hope that people realize that the beauty and ritualism of the Latin Mass is far more timeless, with Trent only codifying what already existed for hundreds of years; and implement such timelessness into the Novus Ordo, if not scrap the Novus Ordo entirely and allow the Latin Mass, if not in the Latin Mass in the vernacular.
The Apostles didn't sing "Lord of the Dance" at the Last Supper, nor did they dance around at the Last Supper being "moved by the Holy Spirit."
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Jesus said that *if we love as he loved us, his life will be our very own.*
Why is it that your argument is overly tainted with contemptuous sentiments?
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What about my argument is "contemptuously sentimental?"
Your argument is that the Novus Ordo is more like the Last Supper, and I'm saying that's a garbage argument.
Mind you that the person posting wasn't even RAISING an argument; he feels that the Latin Mass is a lost treasure, and it is. And you attacked him.
Despite it being nothing more than an ad-hominem fallacy, let's take your argument to the fullest extent possible. As you said, if you love one another as Jesus loved us, His life will be our own. So why are you attacking a man who said that the Latin Mass is a lost treasure, and accusing him of not following Jesus? (Which, by the way, necessarily means, according to your worldview, that the Catholic Church disappeared off the face of the Earth for 500 years, if not longer; because the Catholic Church was promoting a spiritually harmful Mass for 500 years, and ergo, the Catholic Church couldn't be the Catholic Church).
The Novus Ordo has so much elements, not only which modern scholarship has shown to be not at all ancient (for example, facing the people, which no liturgical rite or rubric has had in the history of the Church except for ONE Malankara text of dubious origin and the Liturgy of James (the lattermost which has been identified as a nontypical Mass, as it calls for 12 Priests to be present); another example is the laity in the performance of clerical functions), but also which are clear innovations, such as the "contemptuously sentimental" hymnals that are dated and stuck in the 60s. Again, Lord of the Dance was not sung at the Last Supper. Neither were guitars used, neither were drums used, neither were pagan dancers with incense.
You tell me which one of these is farthest from the Last Supper, and which one is the farthest in time period and praxis to the Last Supper.
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Res Ipsa Loquitor.
Wow beloved Church Fathers! 😇😇😇 Thank to God, Thank you all Saints and Mommy Mary! 😂😁👼✌
My wife and I watched this as one of our 2-3 ongoing religious study home sessions. I was disappointed in that Bishop Barron appeared to be winging it instead of having a well prepared presentation. It is great to learn his personal experiences with the church fathers and his favorite one ... but as a student I was hoping for more. Still, thank you for the video. Something is better than nothing ... and from the comments a lot of folks liked it. Personally I like a different categorization of these gifted men. 1st 300 - 500 years = Fathers of the church; also Doctors of the church. After 500 years = Doctors of the church who were sunk deeply into the original Fathers of the Church data. The impact for a Protestant [of which I was around 50 years ago] is favorable to the 'Original Church'. The general orientation towards later churchmen did not hold that crown of authority so much. Just saying. Again, thank you for the video.
Looking forward to Part II.
Thank you Bethany for the most pertinent Question (26:15 - 26:39)
*The Theological Virtues* are GIFTS from God. One cannot act one's way toward them. While *Faith is the DOOR* that fundamentally opens us to the reality of God, *Hope COLOURS* the whole of our life."
*(Bishop Barron* in answer to Bethany)
26:40 - 28:52
greetings from the exact location where Basil the great was born !!! and I work where Gregory of Nyssa lived.
Very inspiring.Thank you
I love your videos Bishop.
"Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.”
This was wonderful video.
As an orthodox, I very much appreciate catholics coming back to the holy fathers lately
Great, except we never abandoned them. Holy Orthodoxy on the other hand, decided to throw out all the things that Clement said about the Primacy of Rome, I wonder why. To be fair, there are many Orthodox that are well aware of that fact, but they try to explain it away. If holy Orthodoxy was true, why do some Bishops say contraceptives aren't wrong? Why do others say that a Catholic who becomes Orthodox, must be re chrismated? Why do others say that he doesn't have to be? Why do some Bishops say contraceptives are wrong, but others don't? Orthodoxy is the beauty of Byzantine worship, with the doctrinal chaos of Anglicanism. Without a central voice, I fear that Holy Orthodoxy could lead someone very well into heresy, and I have seen some evidence of semi-pelagianism being taught in holy Orthodoxy, such as the denial of original sin. Do not misunderstand me, I am not saying someone who is Orthodox cannot be holy or good or even a saint, what I am saying, is that for Orthodoxy to be truly orthodox , it must be in communion with the pope of Rome. Also, Bishop amongst equals, besides being non-historic, is self-contradictory, take, for example the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. Sometime in the 1700s, I don't remember the exact year, a pro Catholic patriarch was elected as the patriarch of Antioch. Now, he was an Arab and wanted communion with Rome. So what did Constantinople do? Declare the election invalid and put a Greek in. This is why you have parallel Greek Orthodox and Catholic patriarchates of Antioch to this day. If it were truly Bishop amongst equals, Constantinople would have no authority over what happens in Antioch.
With all that, I hope you know, that I still have great respect for what holy Orthodoxy has right, like the seven holy Mysteries, a priesthood that can trace itself back to the apostles, and some very wonderfully holy people.
Aquinas went deeply back to the church fathers also to develop Catholic theology.
Thanks for your interest in the Catholic Church.
Adam Hovey It’s all politics and I really don’t care about that. I’m sure the orthodox don’t question the primacy of Rome, but its supremacy. But the important thing is I think, that it’s just not about that. As far as I know, Jesus came to unify mankind with God, not to decide who rules over what part of the church. If we, for a moment, not deal with worldly affairs (which the question of the pope is, honestly), we could be on a real way of church unity. The schism is a thousand year problem, but we need to be really careful in orchestrating the possible re-unification. It most probably will never happen, we have very old historical wounds, but what a dream it would be for us to be one again, as Christ prayed for us.
And concerning the “who got it right” argument, I have one passive-agressive remark that I will surely regret and for which I am apologising in advance: It’s not the orthodox who produced the reformation, secularism and thus by extension the modernist anti-Christian philosophies and ideologies which now poison our modern times ;)
Pat Aherne yes I am very interested in the Catholic Church. The One Holy Orthodox Catholic Church 😊
Jokes aside, I, apart from most orthodox, really admire Aquinas and the scholastics. Though I am more fond of Meister Eckhart and Bonaventura, but they are more on the mystical platonic end of the scholastic spectrum
"Theology is an elaborated commentary on the bible." Simple truth, but a super fundamental one...
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Church fathers on eucharist
I'll definitely read the church fathers!
Thank you Bishop Barron! The watcher! 😇👼🍼☄️🔥🎄🎶🍝🍨🎼💗💗💗
Bishop Barron, I recently listened to your conversation with Dr William Lane Craig (which I loved). In that discussion, you mentioned that the ontological argument was your favourite argument for God's existence. I was wondering whether you could make a video explaining the argument in detail and responding to common objections. God Bless!
@Mountaindew The ignorance and bitter hate you have is disheartening. Leave cool muso from your negligence. The deep and rich understanding us Catholics have of the Holy Bible is beyond what any other denomination has. Instead of just believing word for word like the Protestants, we find the true meaning and true faith to God, without having to sacrifice our intellect. Watch some of Bishop Barron's videos of genesis, creation, etc.
@Mountaindew so how does Moses refer to the Jews he is leading out of Egypt? Your comments reflect what Moses' calls the Jews in his conversation with God.
Maybe take a listen to Dale Martin (from Yale) New testament History and Literature.
Also please read Bishop Barron's brief book 'Letter to a Suffering Church'
Brandon, I am like you were: New Testament writers, then basically fast forward 1,500 years or so. I’ve got a lot of catching up to do.
Really appreciate this video.
Thanks - go strong
Thanks Fr.
You really should go on Rogan. He’d be totally down for it. Plus, the world needs it. God bless you bishop Barron.
I'd go on in a heartbeat. But you and others have to encourage him to invite me.
Bishop Robert Barron Well as a formal alter server (I believe I’ve served beside once before my family left Los Angeles) and Catholic in general I’m not gonna refuse a Bishops orders. I’m on it. Pray it gains traction!
I am a returning catholic, grew up as, baptized, confirmation etc. After being blown up in Afghanistan and surgeries etc I am getting back into it. But still hesitant on some beliefs on catholics. Ill admit I might favor eastern orthodox more. But I could be wrong and maybe do not know enough.
Hold fast brother & trust the One True Church. Read more and pray to Our Lady for guidance
Consider confessional Lutheranism.
@@shellieperreault6262 luther...the same guy who added by faith alone into the bible in romans where it never existed? Wanted to remove the book of James. Was morally a very questionable guy. No thanks.
OMG Bishop Barron is all inclusive
Had that Lost In Space model myself, Bishop. Had a shelf my late father of fond memory made and put up in my room that held it and also all the Aurora monster model kits I bought with paper route money and assembled and painted; Dracula, Werewolf, Creature From The Black Lagoon, Frankenstein, The Mummy, The Hunchback, etc. Fun to recall them. I still have the shelf my dad built. Sadly, all the models eventually fell victim to the backyard activities that developed the year i got my first BB gun ;) Boys could very much be boys in those days... and we were!
Ken Vee I remember them all!
@Mountaindew This in response to my mention of liking model kits as a kid, like Bishop Barron...? Perhaps RUclips has mixed something up here?
I remember I had a “Say It-Play It” and I recorded the first landing on the moon with it.
That may be the tape machine Bishop was speaking about that his father gave him.
A rich treasure trove!
I was given a book called "All roads lead to Rome"... but you have to go back further than that to as it was in the beginning , that is the beginning of the Church Age just after the resurrection and Ascension of Christ to the upper room
The Father's lead me to Orthodoxy but I think the point is the same. Since at the time of the Father's... Catholic and Orthodox were the same thing.
Now dig in more between catholics and orthodox....you are almost there...hehe
Wonder if you could do a discussion in either the next set or a separate video on the Catholic theology of deification. It's been my favorite topic that I've been researching so far.
Oh yeah, the 'Ancient Christian Commentary" series is great. Expensive! But slowly building it up!
@@carlitohanks5959 I was originally actually going to mention the fact the series omits anything too Catholic (i.e. Church Father ref. that are quite Marian or testify to the Magesterium etc.). However, the work compiles quotes from the Fathers, this is hardly a protestant work in that respect. It in no wise fits into Leo XIII's warning. Sure, they make some introductory comments in each volume, but it's the Fathers - Catholic Fathers. There may be a bias selection from the Fathers, but still, it's the Fathers writings. If only us Catholics would produce such works - there is nothing of this caliber available at all. A Catholic is not going to be led astray by the Fathers, only aided.
Love seeing Catholic priests talking about Orthodox History 🥰
The Church fathers lives before the great schism
lol the church fathers of the east wrote about papal supremacy. And your ancestors submitted to Rome for nearly a thousand years.
Fantastic!!
It pains me to see how the protestant clan turns their nose up at the early church fathers and the Didache as they continue to disassemble the Liturgy of the Word and the Sacraments (Mysteries) that "pattern" the worship that occurs on God's Holy Sabbath Mountain; And I'm not a Catholic, either.
In fact, most of the protestant clan has also tossed the Old Testament to the wayside; which is an integral part of our faith that allows us to accurately discern the New Covenant with the echo, archetypes, and shadows of things to come in Christ.
"Christians" are a very stubborn breed in that we are so very often the ones who reject God's Word with an intensity that rivals the godless.
This Is The Sign You Are Waiting For 12:12
What is the best way to find out about the Apocrypha and why the Catholic Church has it and why other denominations are against it?
Simply, it is in the LXX- the cannon used by Greek speaking Jews, and not in the Hebrew cannon. The argument for Catholics was that if the Greek translation of the OT was good enough for the Apostles, then it is good enough for us. The Protestant argument is that if the original priests and later rabbis of Judaism didn't think the books were worthy to be in the cannon, then they weren't.
Protestants go further into studying the theological conflicts between the apocrypha vs the rest of the cannon. In general, the conclusion is that the apocrypha is inferior in its writing, literary quality, and theology. Martin Luther encouraged it to be read and included it in his German translation of the bible, but discouraged its use in theology and that is the official position of the Lutheran church. Other Protestants reject it completely. It should be know, that the Apocrypha was originally in the KJV bible and wasn't removed until printers in the New World realized it was more profitable to print bibles without it (figuring most Protestants wouldn't miss the extra 300 pages).
The Eastern Orthodox have even more books in their cannon (as does the Ethiopian church). Studying why the Catholic church rejects those books will help you to understand the Protestant position better, since there is a role reversal in the case of the Apocrypha.
Plenty of material on YT explaining the Catholic position
A Christian loves the Cross and carries it. He loves the Christ and he accepts that the world hates him. The Holy Spirit is on him and enlightens him (Cardinal Nguyen Van Thuan).
What would be good books to read on the teachings of the Church fathers?
With integrity, one cannot return to the Church Fathers and act as if the Scholastics never existed, nor was there any valid development between the Church Fathers and now. What is the fruit of this "hopeful" approach? Is the Church thriving? Are souls being converted and the world submitting to Christ and His Holy Church or is the world converting the parts of the church to them?
What is your own answer? Please elaborate. Thank you.
Mary Pinakat troll much?
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Who?
Mary Pinakat you my dear sister. Every comment you replied with your advertisement. That’s a huge turn off. And it looks like your comments have been deleted anyway
The Church indubitably thrived for 2000 years. Only now are we seeing the situation which Jesus described as, "When the Son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" Apostasy, etc.
Hello - Theology in the Orthodox Church is the experience of God (that is of course healing ) and an empirical experience. Meaning that theology be just an elaborated commentary on the Bible, while the entire practice is there in order to experience God more and more until . In this case, why would we elaborate comments while the calling is for an actual exercise? I think this is a decision each of us has to make: to talk about it or to exercise it. :-)
For a non-Catholic, what is an easy book to read on th Church Fathers?
You know, this may seem like a "duh" moment for many of you, but for myself, growing-up in the Protestant tradition of Christianity, specifically, on the non-calvanist side of it at that. The biggest difference between Protestanism vs Non-Protestanism is "church history" and "church fathers." The only people that matters are in the Bible pretty much, and I never knew about it growing-up. Strange, I'd also say within Protestanism itself, church history is more of a thing on the Calvaist side too, but why is it church history isn't that important for Protestants? I'm sure it is for Pastors and folks that have studied at Bible college, but walk into any pentecostal, baptist, methodists, christian church in America and ask a random person in the congregation about the history of the church, and I bet 98 percent of people will only mentioned things in the Bible and nothing else.
Go on the Joe Rogan Experience
*The Great Schism*
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I wonder what Bishop Barron would think about DMT
@@eternallight88 I'm sure your comment was in jest about how Joe always brings that up, but to give a serious response: bishop Barron was asked about psychedelic experiences recently on a men's health exercise podcast. He was skeptical of them qualifying as 'legitimate spiritual experiences', generally dismissive, & quickly brushed the question aside.
Despite my own (emphsis on my own) interests about psychdelics, I appreciate what a priest said about them. They're primarily destructive (at least during consumption) and therefore should be avoided. Likewise there's a quote, something like, " beware of unearned wisdom" and from my field research there's truth in that. I did seem to be accessing something not intended, not deserved. Was it an artifice? Was there some of the true the good the beautiful in it? Idk?
Regardless Joe recently had Dawkins on and the good bishop does a great job debunking his arguments. Unfortunately, doing so on the WOF podcast is almost literally preaching to the choir. I'm sure a ton of 'nones' & non practing Catholics (I was 1) listen to joe. So I think It'd be a heck of a conversation, and a great evangelical opportunity to really get out beyond the walls of the church.
Joe Rogan does not like the Catholic Church, or Catholicism
@@Minutemanly I'm sure that's not a precursor to being on the show, given the variety of people he's talked too. I'm sure I've heard him say I'll talk to anyone."
Did Thomas Aquinas actually say after a profound spiritual experience (of the summa) that it is as much as straw compared to his experience of connection?
Compared to what "had been revealed" to him.
😇😇😇👼🔥 Bishop if i die someday my seraphine and my guard Angel and my martyr will be with me at Ends? There no way for stay separated? If the answer is yes, so understand why i'm try
Merry Christmas Novena d1: Pray End to Abortion
O Lord, infant Jesus, fill us with Joy! The birth of any child is a cause for joy and so much more is the birth of You, our Savior. We pray in union with Mary, Your mother, for a greater joy this Christmas.... May Your Holy Will be done in my life and with these intentions. Hail Mary..Glory Be..Amen
Oh great, pro-life madness. Oh what joy.
Another sick trick by the Easter Bunny Church.
Clement, Ignatius and Polycarb were not Catholics. They were Messianic and the Catholic Church was only invented in 325.
Thank you Bishop Barron! Is there a link to Ancient fathers commentary on scripture, that is talked about at the end of the vidoes?
www.ivpress.com/ancient-christian-commentary-on-scripture
Amen 🙏🏻 ❤
For a newbie where would you recommend I start with regard to the Church Fathers? Who should I read first?
John Chrysostom is the most popular Church Father
I'm also getting started with the Church Fathers, I chose to read them cronologically starting with the Apostolic Fathers. I'm going to buy Michael L. Holmes' translation because I heard good things about it
It is my understanding that Origen was an early Christian writer but never recognized as a “ Church Father “ although he contributed a great deal to early Christian understanding.
He's not a canonized saint, but he's certainly recognized as a Church Father, indeed as one of the greatest.
@@BishopBarron Thank you Bishop Barron, I have been unable to locate an official list of those considred to be " Church Fathers ", some include lists include Tertullian there is no question Oregin was a profound early Christian author, can you refer me to an authorized list of Church Fathers or defined characteristics. Merry Christmas and thanks for all you do do for the Church.
Does the Church Fathers 'timeline' not extend right up to St Bernard of Clairvaux?
What websites did they say we can find these writings at ?
Didicae? Penguin? Pope Benedict 16 has homilies in books.
The “ancient Christian commmentary series” has commentary excerpts of the early fathers on scripture
"I was taught by polycarp, who was taught by John" , can someone point out to me where in Against Heresies i could find this?
The only one we should refer to is our LORD JESUS …. The rituals that all denominations do are man made…the things Bishop Barron and any man of the cloth is to bring people to Jesus and He alone
I’d argue that the Great Fathers were those in the 2nd and early-mid 3rd century CE. After that you more have apologetics trying to harmonize issues within the Christian churches.
Thank you Bishop. I would now like to read what Pope Benedict had to say on the Apostolic Fathers. What would the book title be?
Ok. Found it. Thanks.
Carefully compare the church fathers to the book of acts … big difference
10:39 Read the Church Fathers. Then read John Calvin
Only god is good, therefore mary is a sinner 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
04APR2024. Seen for the second time.
Im curious about this. I wonder if he'll talk about who wrote which books of the bible and how they decide which were real or not. Different denominations of christians have more or less books in their bibles and have completely different interpretations of them. Did the church fathers envision thousands of different christians when they started?
*Where Did the Bible Come From?*
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*Books That Were Left Out of the New Testament*
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*Five Models of the Church*
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*Why Do Christians Worship on Sunday and Not Saturday*
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This is a great little interview that starts to delve into that.
If your nervous about the link, its the pat Flynn show- episode "where did we get the Bible?"
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I don't know about the link, and I wouldn't care to know. Thanks for the *'scare alert'.*
You shouldn't have given yourself away.
*(Comment regretted. There was oversight on my part in not seeing that the reply is not from 'Ellie Sarke.')*
Why are some people so preoccupied wuth the 'church farhers'? Are they not satisfied with the words of Jesus & his apostles? Are they not aware of Paul's stark warnings about the "Men who wouls speak twisted things to draw the discples after themselves" ( Acts 20:28-30)? Surelt the Holy bible "fully equips us for EVERY good work"? ( 1 Tim 3:17). Lets just stick to the bible, its "inspired by God" and NOT by men!
You need to read the early fathers so as to gain a better understanding of original Christianity ie Catholicism
The bible was not mass printed until the 16th century & even then, most people were illiterate so only in recent centuries have more people learnt to read, so for 90% of Christianity, people could not read the Bible, one proof that SS is both unworkable & unbiblical, pls don’t quote 2 Tim 3:16-17 is it does not prove that the bible is the only authority.
To complement Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition has existed from the time of Christ.2 Thes 2:15 hold fast to the Traditions both written & oral.
The early fathers either knew the apostles or knew people who knew the apostles & wrote about the Church for approx the first hundred years documenting her practices & teachings, most of which describe the CC of our time. There is no unanimity amount the early fathers on all topics, however, their uninspired writings have given the Church an invaluable insight into the Church before your bible was codified by the CC in 382
If you seriously want to find out how the early Church operated, read some of the early fathers like St Ignatius! However, a spoiler alert, many who read their writings become convinced by the Truth of His One True Church
@@geoffjs Having read 'Ignatius' its clear that he did not suggest or refer to the 'trinity'! or 'The immortal soul' or 'Mary, ever virgin' e.t.c. I do take exception with his insistance over and over again that those who he wrote to must be totally obedient to and subserviant to the 'bishops'. Jesus is our master! No men! Paul made this clear be saying "We arer not the Masters of your faith, but fellow servants" ( 2 Cor 1:254 ).
@@kiwihans100. Jesus, in His genius, gave us His One True Church with hierarchy & authority which is the pillar & salvation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 that codified your bible in 382. Without hierarchy & authority, no entity from family to corporates & govt can survive, thus Protestantism is unsustainable. Without SCOTUS to interpret the Constitution, citizens would crest chaos by making personal interpretation.
Protestantism with unbiblical personal interpretation, has resulted in many “truths” the cause of the modern day scourge of relativism & wokeism, which, unfortunately, has rubbed of on the CC.
i wanted to learn about the church farthers, all i hear is... Catholics are the true christians
Tal tlk to Neal Donald Walch and Ravi Zachckraisis great guys!!!
Robby the robot from Forbidden Planet please
Please do a podcast on Don Scotus and William of Occum.
while church early "fathers" are important historically, they are not comparable, nor a substitute to scripture.
they were the first Christians, they're interpretation is better than yours, they were taught by the apostles
Did the Church Fathers taught about hell?
Blasphemy,
Now of the things which we have spoken this is *the sum* We have such an high priest, (of the order of Melchizedek; chapter 7) who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty *in the heavens*
A minister of *the sanctuary* and of the true tabernacle, *which the Lord pitched and not man*
For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
(His life; "no greater love"...)
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests [Levitical] that offer gifts according to the law:
Who serve unto the example and *shadow* of *heavenly things* as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make *the tabernacle* for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to *the pattern* shewed to thee in the mount.
*But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry* by how much also *he* is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
*For if that first covenant had been faultless then should no place have been sought for the second*
For *finding fault with them* he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make *a new covenant* with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; *I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts* and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
{Hebrews 8:1-10} (Jer 31:31-33)
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These "church fathers" expose the evolution of the apostasy, prophesied by the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians.
2 Thes. 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
And again:
Acts 20:29-30 - For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
The Apostle John also predicted this apostasy:
1 John 2:18-19 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
The "church fathers" show us how this apostasy evolved (devolved?).
31 of the first 32 bishops of Rome (i.e. Popes) were slaughtered as martyrs. If being Pope was of no account and meaningless then why did these 31 Pope willingly to to the slaughter believing otherwise?
Good point! They were prepared to die for the Truth.
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But there was no Catholic Church until about 490 years after The Apostles
Repent
Even secular history disagrees with you!
Jesus est His One True Church, Mt 16 18-19 with Peter as His first representative or Prime Minister Isa 22:22 which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 which Ignatius named as Katholikos or Universal in 107AD which codified your bible in 382AD which has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men & is the longest existing human institution. Eph 4:3-6 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism. Fact check if you don’t believe me.