they'll give a link to a 5min tutorial on yt because 1. paper is expensive 2. plane on the ground means it doesnt make money oh and btw you have to pay for their wifi to watch the video
There's a couple of things left unmentioned: Ryanair profits from short flights. 6 to 8 short hops a day allow a few things. First, the aircraft maintenance and leasing costs are spread out between a larger number of seats. Eight one-hour flights per day allow grabbing four times more money towards that than two four-hour flights as these are paid by hours flying. Second, having shorter hops allows an aircraft to take less mandatory fuel, thus have smaller TOW and burn less fuel (and money). Third, short flights and almost empty tanks allow fuel trading. For example, Ryanair flights to nearby countries never fuel in Ukraine, because the fuel is more expensive. If you have burned through 6 hours of flight, you HAVE to fuel and spend lots of money. Four, 8 flights against 2 per day is 4 times more additional services sold. More luggage paid for, soups and colas bought, cologne testers sniffed aboard. Finally, short flights give the opportunity for the crew to arrive at the airport, do a turnaround or two, and go rest back at home, while long trips need more transfers, hotels to be booked, etc etc. Why does Ryanair fly longer routes then if they are obviously non-profitable? The answer is simple: damping. In most places, they already fly 70% of short connections of the local classic carriers and often make them drop the routes. If they cover the longer routes, classic carriers may die altogether, not being able to cope with 9,99 EUR seats for 3-hour flights, and then Ryanair will reign in full (in the said region of course). This model is possible within Europe cramped with tons of small airports that have or need direct connections, but would be impossible on large trunk connections across the pond.
Not to mention that on longer flights, people prefer paying more for a better onboard experience with more inclusions. It's why the major U.S. airlines operate like low-cost airlines for domestic segments (charging for baggage, food, alcohol, etc.) but as full-service carriers on longer international segments (all or most of the above included). It's one major reason why low-cost long-haul airlines mostly failed pre-pandemic. Also why such airlines prefer smaller planes, because they don't see enough demand to fill a 787 or A350
Thank you. Your reply is so concise. You should be making videos, yours would be best. Just don't waste more than 5 seconds of my life at the beginning of each video with your standard brand announcement.
It seems shortsighted that we are assuming that Ryannair would fly to a major international Airport. That goes far against their model. More likely, they would look at Provodence or Manchester for Boston and Islip or Long Island for New York. There is no way Ryannair would ever think about going into JFK or BOS.
They occasionally fly to major international airports in Europe, if those have some special program to attract new airlines. They are not opposed to it, they are just not going to pay any more than a more remote airport would charge. That being said Ryanair will never pay up for converting an airport to an international one, so Providence and Long Island aren't options. It either be upstate Stewart for New York or Atlantic City and i can imagine Atlantic City cutting some special deal with Ryanair to support their casinos.
@@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer For what it is worth, if they fly from Dublin, they don't need to go to an International Airport. Dublin has pre-clerance. Then again, it might still not work well with Ryannair's strict point to point model.
@Super Kawaii Kitty Airlines like Frontier and Spirit at least use wider Airbus A320 variants. You can cram the rows in and at least you have width. I choose to avoid 737s like the plague and have never flown Southwest for that reason. But a narrow 737 with maximum rows crammed? Nope. Nope. Nope.
After 9/11 several airlines were exercising cancellation options for 737 Orders. Boeing was considering closing/ mothballing the production line. Ryanair stepped in and placed a huge order at a good price and Boeing kept production continuous.
You forgot to mention that Michael O'Leary studied Southwest before taking over Ryanair. Also to note we can that the US Air Force for Ryanair's success as a lot of the old bases were closed down and they could fly into Frankfurt Hahn (about 2h away from Frankfurt by bus) for pennies in fees. Lastly most passengers on Ryanair see it as a bus service, you sit down, shutup and don't complain about it. I've flown may times and also know a lot of people who used it as a shuttle service between where they lived and worked in London. For the US-Europe market the customers will be more demanding and I don't think the cheapness of Ryanair will fly. O'Leary knows this.
Interestingly in a change of tack FR began operations to FRA (much to the annoyance of LH). But now FR will soon be axing operations from FRA owing to the latter's high fees.
Excellent point. For example I have thrown Lufthansa from US to major European cities like Germany and to Geneva, the service and the entire flight were very enjoyable. Flew from Germany to Russia on the same Lufthansa and it was disastrously unbearable, but the plane was full and no one complained.
All these people who are lambasting Michael O’Leary seem to be missing the point. He’s a genius, he mastered one of the most successful aviation models in history. Sure the planes aren’t comfortable, but the impact and accessibility to flight it’s allowed is profound
Exactly!! Coming from an Irish person, Ryanair has saved me so much money over the years, they’re brilliant. People complain over legroom and other issues and what I say to that is if your buying an airline ticket at such a cheap price don’t expect a 5 star experience. I don’t care about luxury on a flight, I just wanna get to my destination as cheap and as safe as possible, and Ryanair are very good at doing that
@@seanmccormack3735 Thank you. Also irish I wonder are some people brain dead they don't understand simple business concepts. Your littereally flying to another country for cheaper than a train ticket most of the time
@@armymanal sure let them off, if they wanna spend more money on the transport they can, but I rather spent me money when I’m actually on holiday, not the plane
Something not mentioned is the cost of Extended-range Twin-engine Operations Performance Standards (“ETOPS”) for the crews (training), added weight of ETOPS compliant equipment, etc.* (*=I don’t know if any Ryanair aircraft are ETOPS certified/ETOPS compliant) EDIT: changed from “...is the coast of Extended-range...” changed to “...is the cost of Extended-range...”
This ^^. There are a dozen better reasons than the ones given in this video for why they don't do it but by far and away the largest is this. The cost of buying and then modifying a 737Max to fly any commercially viable route (ie not something as useless as ScotlandMaine) would be several times what they normally pay for an aircraft and maintaining and crewing it would cost a lot more than the rest of their fleet. Factor in the costs of landing slots, longer turn-arounds, etc. etc. and you just end up moving to wide-bodies which isn't a market they are structured to compete in.
Option #3 - refuelling stop in Gander Newfoundland. That's what WestJet did when they were doing their European trans-Atlantic flights from a number of locations across Canada. It also addressed the ETOPS issues with flying 737s trans-Atlantic.
Back in 99 I had a family emergency come up and I literally spent every penny I had on a Ryanair flight back to Ireland, from London (and in fairness to Ryanair, the train to Stansted cost nearly as much as the plane). Unfortunately the dreaded 'circumstances beyond my control' meant I just missed the plane. Not making it home wouldn't have been a matter of life and death, as such, but it would have ruined lives for certain; mine, and others! Unfortunately, then as now, Ryanair were notorious for an attitude to cancellations and the like which might have been summarized as "Having heard your story, my heart bleeds for your misfortune. Tough sh1+, not my problem. *Next!"* Nonetheless, stuck at the airport without so much as the price of a phonecall, and unable to go forward _or_ back, my only option was to wait for the morning and the Ryanair desk to open, and with hope greatly exceeding expectation, throw myself on the mercies of the fearsome looking matron and beg, and given the situation, I was not above using emotional blackmail! Well, did I say 'Fearsome looking matron'? What I meant of course was 'Motherly; resolute but wise', because God Bless that woman, after initial out - of - hand refusal, pursed lips, long sighs, put - upon looks and a great deal of 'diddling about' on the computer she came through for me! She will never know what that meant to me in either emotional or practical terms, but I owe that lady a _great_ deal of thanks. Needless to say, between company policy and the precept that 'No good deed goes unpunished' she was most likely out of work before the end of her shift!!
@@2adamast That's a weird way of looking at it. Have you shares in the company or something?! Apart from anything, I was just telling an anecdote; it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously - but since you're going there, well, I think it's pretty obvious that I was full of gratitude for the lady concerned. If you feel I was being unfair to the firm, ahh, _How?!_ I didn't *actually* get a free flight from _Anybody!_ I had actually paid for a ticket if you remember, and I can assure you, it wasn't one of those 19 quid jobs either! No passenger was discommoded for me, not a dribble of extra aviation fuel was burnt because of me. The only thing Ryanair might have been done out of was the chance to gouge me for the price of a second ticket... Oh, and if you think I'm libelling Michael O'Leary's baby, they have a demonstrable and well known history of poor industrial relations. Not to mention tight - fistedness. Maybe you're just the type of person that when someone commits a tiny infraction of the rules in order to do you a favour, like, say, holding a bathroom turnstile open to save you a quarter or whatever, you give them one of those filthy looks that says "Don't make _me_ a part of your sordid criminal low - life"! If so, well, look, I don't really know what to say to you. I'm not an Anarchist (actually in the above situation, I _certainly_ broke no rule, and I suspect the company would have had rather a hard time making the case that the lady on the desk did either); I sure have no doubt that society wouldn't take long breaking down when you take away the rules. cf. Katrina - but of course there was _a lot_ more there had broken down than *just* the rules. I also think it should be borne in mind that "Rules were made to be broken", as flippant as it sounds, is actually a rather wiser and more subtle saying than it may at first appear.
I wouldn't say "never." If Jetblue is really succesful with their trans-Atlantic flights, I wouldn't be surprized to see Ryanair airplanes at JFK in 15 years or so...
@@abhigyakhandelwal9215 Could be LGA or BOS. My point: if other low-cost airlines will be successful, Ryanair will also add flights. I don't think they will open a base in the US, but certainly introduce some flights. Also: Airbus shows how far modern airplanes can go (i.e. Breeze's A220-plans to Europe) and even if Boeing is currently behind Airbus, Boeing eventually has to upgrade their airplanes to compete better against Airbus.
I remember when the Ryan family sent O'Leary to spend time with the leaders of Southwest to learn the tricks of the trade. Since returning Ryanair has gone from a modest, struggling company to a major player that most others in the market detest. All because O'Leary has made big things happen from little budget, and now he's made this low cost giant, a lot of start up's are trying to replicate the Ryanair success story. As we have seen over the last 2 - 3 decades, not many have the luck of the Irish, and have fallen by the wayside. Even the mighty Air Berlin suffered and faded into the history books.
And if it wasn’t for Maersk Air forcing the Ryan family to take an old Embraer turboprop of their hands, there would not have been a Ryanair. The Ryans had to find use of that airplane and came up with flying some early cheap routes using that airplane.
Back in 2006 I was in the US Navy and the government chartered Ryan Airlines to fly what we called the rotator. It started in Diego Garcia and after abut 5 stops and 36 hours later ended in Norfolk Va - I was greatful for the free lift home but man what a tuff flight in a 737...
A third option would be to partner up with a low cost carrier in the U.S. to provide the necessary coverage. Many low costs airlines have tried to serve the transatlantic routes but failed partly due to having no in network connections. This would fix the logistical aspects of operating a low cost carrier transatlantic.
One big hurdle is that they don't even officially support transfers between their own airplanes, but instead treat each leg as a separate trip, that needs to be booked separately, with baggage retrieval in the middle. Even just to allow for transfer to the transatlantic flight would be a huge change of business.
In Asia, specifically Indonesia, we have a budget airline called Lion Air which is very similar to Ryanair. If I am not wrong, Lion Air is banned from flying into European airspace.
Big YES from my side for an O’Leary video with your favorite interview quotes. Another great vid btw, keep it up and you will surely crack 100K before summer.
02:03 Of course it does depend on what time of year you fly. Fares in summer are way more expensive than out of season, they can be as high as those of full-service carriers.
Speaking for my experience, they really aren't. Even in high season they're still waaay cheaper than other airlines. My 150€ round trip to Valencia would have cost well over 300 with another carrier.
@@steffen6987 of course I have! And from where I'm based tickets to certain summer resort destinations can be around 100-200 EUR one way. I wouldn't call that dirt cheap.
The tax system in the US is enough to prevent RyanAir from attempting to enter the market. Even if they could be competitive on pricing, they would have to use brute force with multiple destinations at once in order to have the efficiency of scale to handle disruptions without killing the brand. There are a lot of obstacles to RyanAir serving even the shortest routes like Boston. There also is no reasonable chance to grow transatlantic routes enough to be profitable enough to try. Remember, on the US, we pay excise taxes, airport passenger fees, security fees and state and local taxes that combine to be more than a round trip ticket in the EU.
@@davidjohn64 Plenty of people would fly over on a 737 if the price is right. Maybe you or I would prefer something more comfortable, but getting to the US for, say, €99 (+extras) would be very popular.
Yes, that isn't talked about enough. O Leary plays off secondary EU airports against one-another in order to get heavily subsidised landing rights. He can do this because when Ryanair flies to one of these secondary airports it becomes easily the biggest airline there and there are no players that could really replace it, so Ryanair's presence or absence leaves a lot of airport jobs (sometimes even the survival of the airport) hanging in the balance so regional and local politicians end up heavily subsidising their airports to get Ryanair to come there or stay there. This takes a huge chunk out of Ryanair's overhead. I'm not so sure they would be able to pull that crap in the US.
@@todoldtrafford Interesting, maybe we should do it that way. Just have one European agency that subsidises all those secondary airport at the same rate, and outlaw local and national subsidies. Then O'Leary won't be able to play his games anymore.
@@mariusdufour9186 best if Ryan air didn’t get subsides. I don’t think the us model is efficient though. That’s why airfare is higher here. Faa takes a lot.
An alternate timeline where Ryanair enters the American market... Spirit and Frontier: *Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary* Living in the NY Tri-State Area and knowing just how many Irish-Americans there are here (I am one of them; part Irish because of my dad), I could definitely see flights to/from NY and Boston working in their favor. You also have to consider that both Dublin and Shannon has US customs and immigration pre-clearance as well. Also as someone whose great grandma was from the Canary Islands...what you showed at 0:08 definitely wasn't Tenerife South. That's Corfu. And 0:10 looks like Phuket
Yeah, I completely agree...I could see them flying to Providence TF Green, Tweed New Haven, Westchester County, or Bradley International from the NY/Boston areas. They also don't have to worry about selecting International airports because people can just preclear in Dublin.
Why did you only see two options in the end how Ryanair could fly to the US? They have a history of flying to relatively unexplored destinations, creating passenger numbers ‘just because they fly there cheap’ and it works. If they start flights from the US, Canada and more destinations in continental Europe to the Azores or even Saint-Pierre and Miquelon they could partially just bring tourists to these beautiful destinations while also creating a connection between the two continents. Maybe just put up a cheap ‘Ryanair Hotel to spend a night or two. This format already works well for decades for Icelandair, why couldn’t Ryanair try it elsewhere? €40 per flight (€80 single trip EU-US vv) and offer an optional overnight at the Azores for another €40…..it would sure attract some traffic would be my expectation.
@@Expa. nope. The 737max already has the range to do that. In fact SEVERAL US, Canadian and European Airlines are already doing it. Icelandair is using it's 737max for nonstop flights from Keflavik/Reykjavik to: Boston, Newark, Chicago, Baltimore, Washington, Minneapolis, Relaigh Durham, Orlando and Seattle. Some flights are not operated right now after Covid, but they will be operated again once the damand is back up. WestJet Is operating the 737max from Halifax to Paris and Dublin And from Toronto to Edinburgh, Dublin and Glasgow Depending on the season. United Airlines is planing on using the 737max for flight from Newark to Ponta Delgada/Azores Islands Air Canada is operating the 737 from Toronto to Shannon Montreal to Dublin Halifax to London Heathrow The Orlando flight with Icelandair is the longest 737 route at the moment. And it's 8 hours and 20 minutes. Yes. 8 (EIGHT !!!) hours in a 737 across the pond and down the east cost... Just Google it. It's Icelandair flights 688/689 (or FI688/FI689) So i wouldn't be surprised if Ryanair would start flying their 737max across the Atlantic in the near future. If they see an opportunity to make money with such flights you can be assured that CEO Micheal O'Leary will not let such a chance slip away unused 😉 Or he will use it to just P*ss off the major carriers like Lufthansa, American and Delta and take passengers away from them.
Buzz used to be AirUK’s “low cost” operation, split from the KLM feeding operation when AirUK was sold to the latter. You also didn’t mention the non-flying revenue squeezed out of Airports by Ryanair. They insist small airports pay them to go there rather than pay landing and handling fees. They also take a cut from taxis, airport concession holders, hotels, regional governments etc. They’ll also screw over handling companies when they do pay, their staff (who pay for their applications, interview and uniforms), fuel companies and Boeing themselves (de-icing guarantees vs return fuel) etc. They are not nice people. The main reason they won’t go across the pond is that they can’t fill the planes, won’t be able to screw over the Americans and they won’t do connecting flights on one ticket.
Flew this airline once in Italy. It was like a cattle car. Crew was awesome. Got where we were going safe. Was a company trip and we got what we paid for. No complaints.
If you consider the Ryanair prices, they are not cheap. If you have a bit of luggage, Ryanair has _very_ often more expensive tickets than e.g. Eurowings or TuiFly in Germany. They use without-anything-else prices for the first seats as baits which will rise fast with _any_ option or a bit later. Further, they often use cheap airports, quite often long away from the actual destination. So, you don`t only loose time but you have to pay extra for e.g. bus to get to your real destination. Their seatings are _narrow_ to pack passengers like sardines. If your luggage is some grams overweight, bingo, damned expensive extra costs where serious airlines just wave you through. On top, they exploit their staff by avoiding social costs. Considering US: They keep their planes as long in the air per day as possible. You can do that within Europe by making 6, 7, 8 flights a day selling overpriced snacks or drinks each time plus of course enormous fees for any extra ;-). Transatlantic you have much more turnover time, you would need more planes. And operating two 737 isn`t cheaper in comparison to one A330 that carries about the same number on the racetracks between big cities or hubs.
Ryanair seats in the newer aircraft are not so narrow at least no more than other airlines. Other airlines will not pay attention to those extra weight just because its included alright in ur ticket price that's why their tickets arw more expensive. Speaking of Germany the distance from city centre in Munich to the main airport is the same as the one Ryanair uses. In many other German cities Ryanair uses the main airports. People need to understand that u dont get anything for free in any airlines of this world. All food that airlines give u for free is included to ur ticket . No business gives things for free without having benefits
Yes it is much like these ads for cheap car hire. I booked one of those once when visiting UK for a funeral. It was not until I went to collect the car at the airport that I was told there was a huge insurance excess and that to avoid that would more than double the cost of car hire.
Another good thing to mention is that Ryanair will fly to smaller out of the way airports to reduce landing fees. Major US cities usually only have a couple airports open for commercial aviation, and many of those airports already have budget carriers servicing them that might not be keen to see the new competition, particularly Southwest. Like Dallas Lovefield or Chicago Midway. There’s a few exceptions but that’s the case for many. Plus these airports are usually a lot smaller and might not be able to accommodate the larger planes necessary to make these transatlantic flights.
"He has a gift of being able to look at the aviation market from a million different angles" but that's just a market...I have the gift of being able to look at the entire WORLD from different angles. It's why I already know what is the right path that society should follow
One can hope that one of their imitators that uses Airbus fleets might be more interested. The 321xlr can open up a pretty wide variety of transatlantic routes, and will hopefully make big changes to the cost of transatlantic fights. Sounds like Wizz had ordered some of them, so we'll see if that goes anywhere.
Equipping an aircraft to do trans-atlantic with fewer seats (needed to get range) more galley space means that after the 16 hours for the return flight LON-NYC-LON, you have another 8 hours where plane should be used, but as it is is incompatible for domestic travel (insuficient seat densitty etc), it may not be profitable. Dublin has US pre-clearance, so would allow a 737 to land at La Guardia instead of JFK/EWR, but that is still an expensive airport. If you depeart from Stanstead, then you're stuck using expensive airports in USA. If during one leg of translatlantic, Ryannair would have normally done say 3 flights with that plane, it means that it needs to charge the trabnsatlabntic passengers at least 3 times a "regular" price, and once you add everything else, would it be competitive with existing transatlantic low cost carriers ?
Here’s the deal, southwest has cornered the market in the US. Ryanair has been vocal that they copied the Southwest business model however, southwest tickets are outrageously cheap for what you get, 2 suitcases, free snacks and drinks, free movies, shows and live tv as well as texting. There have been other carriers in the US who try to copy the southwest model and don’t succeed nearly as well as they hoped to. And now, southwest is essentially a mainline carrier with I think the 3rd largest fleet in the world and the largest of 737s. Bottom line is I don’t think Ryanair would dare mess with big papa which is Southwest.
Southwest is looking across the pond, they are wanting to operate international flights into Europe, so it is not impossible to think low cost carriers can do it, jetblue is planning on deploying there A321lr and XLR on these routes
One thing they could possibly consider is running a Dublin to St. John's flight (which is shorter than the Warsaw - Tenerife flight mentioned at the top of the video) and partner with one of the Canadian discount airlines to take those passengers to other locations in North America. Though the one challenge in that is that Canadian landing fees are really high.
You are a Ryanair fan boy, dear Cody, that's for sure... There are multiple reasons why they don't. The primary reason is that they can't do what they do in Europe as there is already some form of saturation on the market in the US. It will not work that easily to go to a regional airport in the US and say, we bring about 200 passengers a day to you and need a part of the share for everybody and everything that makes money on the airport, from shops, taxis, etc,... If you bring 20000 a day, that might be a different story. Secondly the passengers they aim for are tourist that don't mind to be handled as things or lemmings. You know how there business model works. So you know you're just "the box" in their aircraft to be moved from A to B and it is nice for them that this "box" also has a credit card to pay for optional stuff that is overpriced. The transatlantic passengers are a different kind and more business people are using those routes. If you ain't traveling for fun, you want peace of mind, comfort, ... and generally it are companies paying for these tickets... And last, their aircraft are currently not rated for transatlantic crossings. There are many more reasons, but these are basically the most reasonable in my opinion. I have nothing against them but while flying nearly twice weekly within Europe before COVID, I avoid them at all cost, and I do pay myself for my tickets. I also think their CEO is just an attention seeker... he might be smart, but he learned most of this from South West and is just annoying. It works, apparently. It is just a matter of time until they have their major incident. Don't get me wrong, I am not hoping they will. But if you give your employees a sh*t contract and salary, they are likely not the most motivated and trained to handle unexpected situations. Their pilots are fine and well trained according to the standards, but will switch to other airlines as soon as they can. I know a few that fly for them. You are getting what you have paid for, but for some the cheap price is more important than all the rest. Good for them. No thanks for me.
"It is just a matter of time until they have their major incident". Out of line. Your comment was going ok before you wrote this. Why say this? Speculation of the worst kind, even if you're not wishing upon it, you're using this extremely speculative conjecture to construe your argumentative point. Any company is at risk of this and Ryanair will not cut cost on plane maintenance because it is not in any flight carrier's interest to have a crash. Ryanair maintenance costs less because they only fly 737s so their whole mechanic crew only need knowledge of this one plane. And any pilot flying a plane is qualified to takeoff and land it safely, it is why they have a lot of hours before they get their commercial license.
@@andreicmello He's right though. It's just a matter of time before any airline has a major incident. It could be a billion or a trillion years, but it's just a matter of time.
wait lol, you aint got 100k subs? wut? im not subbed? why are there only like 400 comments on this video? your vids are really well made and im surprised by this. keep up the good work homie
I've personally met mr O'Leary both at his home and in Dublin airport where he's son hands on he was checking the tickets on for boarding a flight. He is to me just like any guy. There is good banter between us. The man is loved and hated, yet his professional opinion is respected. He is genuinely 10 steps ahead whether it's airlines or his horses. I respect him on any level but he is also down to earth. he would have tea with my dad while discussing house plans. He's already decided before you arrive
Not yet, they seem to still be consolidating their model on their realm, a transatlantic one knowing them could mean 1 or 2 widebody planes on the max seat configuration so far, but is not the time
By operating the Boeing 737 (and the Max variants) only, not only can he substitute any plane on any route due to technical or operational needs, he doesn’t need to worry if he has a crew type trained on a different model. Any Ryanair flight deck crew can fly any Ryanair plane as they’re all basically the same. It’s no good having un-unserviceable Boeing 757 when the available 737 crew are not type trained to operate it.
I'd love to see a video Herb Kelleher. That dude was a true American legend. The government even tried to shut him down at one point and he survived it and in an industry that is plagued with customer service issues he managed to turn Southwest in the best example of customer service in nearly any industry.
I've never flown Ryanair. I'd rather have everything covered in the fare, have a bit of extra leg room and reserve a seat. It's a personal preference. I'm fond of extra comfort and willing to pay for it if I can.
Lucky you Eamon! Ihave flown Ryanair lots of time, at first I loved it, simple, uncomplicated, cheap... Crew was much nicer than Azores airlines.... But then they started to complicate rules about luggage and boarding... And this and that... And I realised the plane was awful (737's fault, not Ryanair's), the amount of time I lost, how a flag carrier was not that much expensive and I moved to another city and .... Stated avoiding ryanair like the plague! easyJet is fine, TAP is ok, Lufthansa is great but To give you an ideia of how bad ryainar is, last time I flew with them I did Porto-Lisbon and paid 9€... I know prefere to pay up to 19€ and go by bus, spend 60€ and drive or pay 40 and get a train than to pay 9€ and fly. It was that bad.
@@qo92 I last flew 2 years ago with Aer Lingus regional which was operated by stobart Air for Aer Lingus. I've also flown locally with Aer Arann express which doesn't operate anymore. I've flown internationally with Aer Lingus, KLM, Kenya Airways and British Airways.
@@eamonahern7495 EI nickel and dime you as much as FR these days. I prefer EI (just prefer A32x by a small margin) but I've found the AF/KLM and BA alternatives tend to cost more than the equivalent FR or EI flights I've looked into in the past while. The EI flight I was on a couple of days ago was lovely but I did have to pay for as many extras as I would have on FR. At least it flew from a proper airport though :-)
Even with all the reasons, still really don't see why they couldn't do it 😕 Could they not get a bit more profit on food and drinks for long haul, and wouldn't people be more likely to take luggage. Also, it would increase the profile of Shannon airport and possibly increase traffic on all other Ryanair routes 🤔
The most profitable Transatlantic bridge is UK-East Coat US and that market is fiercely protected by incumbents. It's not a low cost route but a premium convenience route. The Dublin - Shannon - East Coast is seen as a lower rent, lower volume proposition.
Good point to all the Ryanair haters and I sure used to be a ‘don’t fly with them if I can avoid it’. Trouble is now even the full price carriers are charging for seat reservations, carry on bags, early boarding etc. Nothing more than full cost budget airlines. No brainer if you cope with the light travelling. I recently went to Dublin from Birmingham and return in a day and the car park cost almost double the flight.
I don't see flying long hauls on 737s in general. But I know there are 737s flying from the west coast to Hawaii. And that is long enough over the water and having First and Business Class is helpful as well.
Ryanair's main competitor, Wizz Air is neither planning any cross-oceanic flights, however they might be capable with their new Airbus A320neo aircraft.
I fly Ryanair a hell of a lot. I love them, they have an amazing safety record and most importantly, they never take themselves too seriously. Sure, things go wrong sometimes but that’s life. Fly them and love them.
He didn't talk about the U.S. fees for "safety" after 9-11. I can't see how Ryanair would be able to be lost cost to the U.S. Then once you break up your business model passenger expectations may change.
Actually all of those operational challenges can be overcome but the cost is prohibitive: - Airport fees: we cannot operate to small airports in US as they are not "airports of entry". Large airports have fees in a region of 100EUR per pax. Compared with 5-10EUR/pax we get in most EU airports. - ETOPS certification and related costs: few 100k cost per a/c. plus we need additional extra fuel so sales capacity would be restricted to around 100-120 pax (!) - TSA, US security, ATC and GH related costs are all 50-100% higher then average we can get in Europe - Crew overnight would likely be required - increasing crew cost by about 50% So all-in-all we can make it happen but the cost base is nowhere near competitive enough to get into such oversaturated market.
I'm willing to bet, here in January 2023, that the Boeing 737 Max 7 finally moving forward may just change this for them. That thing is a 10 hour jet and would certainly allow them to break in without relying on the dense and expensive coastal airports. It will obviously have fewer seats than the 800/8, but they would at least be able to maintain their current seat density.
I did fly Ryanair a couple of times from Stansted to Lübeck some years ago, but the experience was less than ideal compared to flying British Airways. I will never fly Ryanair again. I would rather pay more, feel safer, do not get pressured into buying this or that extra, and generally have a more pleasant trip. At one point it was rumoured that Ryanair would start charging £1 to use the toilets on board!
@@timmy00264 Don't agree. The training the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet give their cabin crew is next to none. I would rather trust a properly trained flight attendant from BA or similar if the worst happens.
@@davidtaylor4975 British airways have some major safety issues over the years and fatal crashes in the same time Ryanair has been about they have a great safety record also all cabin crew have to have the same Training when it comes to safety regulations regardless of the airline this can obviously differ in different parts of the world but as they operate in the UK and EU they have to maintain a high level of Training
I used them once, a group of us booked a return flight to/from Copenhagen many years ago. Never again! Worst flight ever, from the word go! Not just us but the majority of people on that flight too, nothing to do with weather conditions as it was smooth on both flights, it was simply how they treated passengers. If I fly I use BA, to Europe and the USA. I've never ever had any problems with BA at all, and if/when I do then I'll use another carrier. But NEVER Ryanair.
Don't they need ETOPS as well to fly those transatlantic routes? So that'll mean another factor that makes this harder to deploy their planes for this, and they'd have to deploy planes dedicated for these routes... and that's exactly what Ryanair doesn't do, they just want one big fleet of planes with lots of communality?
The thing is cost on getting/maintaining ETOPS on these planes I think. Maintenance procedures have to be more thorough and frequent, even with more mechanics per team for double checking each other's work independently. That's already another point in breaking the low-cost consistency: it'd be wasteful to operate these planes in other routes, and they can't slot in any other random plane in the ETOPS routes on a whim... Unless they fly a bunch of routes that need it? Emphasis on 'I think', that's just off the top of my head.
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I have never flown a commercial Ryanair flight, but flew on a number of US Air Force AMC contract flights (Bahrain - Diego Garcia). It was like a trip back in time, as the cabins were probably 20 or 30 years old.
If they thought Shannon had enough passenger volume on their own (the owner and the airline are Irish, so THEY KNOW...) they would've flown to The States from there already. Besides, if they want to PROFIT from the US Ryanair would want a higher number of city pairs (see what Southwest did on establishing in Hawaii an inter-island hub fed by their several flights they got to The Continent). And I don't feel Ryanair is any more obnoxious than Spirit, for example...
O’Leary’s board was 100% correct. Just look at what happened to Pan Am when it got over ambitious and deviated from it’s proven model by pursuing a totally new and unfamiliar market. An airline can not gamble the same as most businesses due to the enormous liabilities it takes on and can’t easily exit from. Besides, O’Leary and his board have their hands full tackling EU over-regulation and maintaining present market share
A lot of pain and issues were from Carl Icahn forcing the company to take on unnecessary debt, then paying the cash out as stock dividends, Icahn then dumped his stock in the company leaving pan am to try for a hail Mary to save the company.
An advantage is that Ireland, Ryanair’s home country, doesUS Customs Preclearance, which would allow Ryanair’s flights from Ireland to US to arrive at domestic gates at US airports, especially at US airports w/out customs facilities like LaGuardia
Coby - Would another possible idea be establishing a home base in America, possibly at a smaller airport, and then essentially having two independent operations (one flying domestic flights in Europe, the other flying domestic flights in the US)?
There is also a thing called ETOPS(extended Range Twin Operations approval) but for this case the 737-800 that Ryanair uses has one for 120minutes which means that their fleet cannot fly further than 120 minutes off the coast. The solution is to purchase planes that do have ETOPS for further off coast flights
It's not just the distance. You have to factor in winds aloft. Flying westbound, you usually fight a head wind, meaning the plane burns more fuel and thus it's range is shortened.
The trouble is, the Ryanair model depends on the price making them the only option for many. That means the customer experience is deeply vile. I know many folks who only ever flew with them one time and swore never again. For me, they do not exist. No matter where or what price, I would never give another penny.
Describing the customer experience as "deeply vile" is meaningless. The vast, vast majority of their passengers travel with them many times and are happy to do so.
What do you hate about them so much? In my experience any short haul economy is pretty much the same. Yes a Ryanair flight might be a bit more cheap and tacky feeling but there's really not that much difference with any other airline.
Option 3 - TF Green International Airport, Providence, RI, 51 miles from Boston and 185 miles from New York. Also TF Green recently underwent significant runway extension projects to accommodate international aircraft and is less expensive than the airports in Boston or New York.
No. They should not fly to this side of the Atlantic. Not to the US, not to Canada, not to Mexico, not to the Caribbean, not to Brazil, not to anywhere on this side.
Ryanair is an airline I avoid at all costs on short haul. Reminds me of travelling the Tube in rush hour. As for O’Leary, I have no time for his misplaced arrogance & cocky manner. If he could get away with ‘standing room only’ on his planes, he would.
You are 100/ right , He at one time had a small shop jointly run with his sister and brother he FIRED both of them because they refused to WORK ON CHRISTMAS DAY, he proudly boasted it on Irish radio some years ago, I would NEVER fly Ryanair .
Operating B737 is simply inefficient for longer routes with Ryanair model. However, Wizz Air model might work for Transatlantic routes once they get XLRs, except they are bought for Abu-Dhabi (potentially Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines).
This is a very interesting and penetrating analysis, Coby. I'd be keen to know more as to whether whether long turnarounds on transatlantic flights are necessary or just current practice. Ryanair achieves short turnarounds in Europe partly by discouraging check-in luggage, but check-in luggage is a must for most transatlantic passengers.
Oh yes, O'Leary and Carsten Spohr would be very nice. As well as heads of United, American, Spirit, Alaskan, Frontier, man, give all them big names a shot! As well as leading manufacturer engineers, like Joe Sutter. Should give you enough content for years :D
I don't see them flying here either unless they pull a "JetBlue mint buzz class" type of fly. Even then once the consumer reaches Europe it would be a spirit type of flying experience. If they go cheap on transatlantic, it would be very distasteful for the American public
IDK, you seem to underestimate how sky-high American airfares are. A genuine low-cost option would be revolutionary for much of the population. Below a certain income level, it isn't Ryanair-vs-United, it's Ryanair-vs-not-going.
Look at what Norwegian did they become the biggest foreign carrier in the New York area flying into Europe the demand is there both sides of the pond and Norse airways is now stepping into fill the gap left by Norwegian stopping transatlantic flights I think if Ryanair did enter the picture it would succeed and it's definitely big enough to put major pressure on the legacy carriers
Southwest has a similar strategy for fleet commonality. And Southwest and Spirit can do what they do because their planes are in the air for more hours than planes flown by legacy carriers.
Michael O’Leary He is a very smart man he’s also very funny and he’s got a great sense of humor I had a chance to meet him when he came to the factory to see his planes being built and I love being part of that team That gets these planes up in the air
When the Next Generation of the single aisle aircraft come out I can see ULLC jumping into the longer haul routes. The aircraft will probably have a huge range compared to the modern fleets. The A320 and 737 are both really old airframes compared to most of the longer haul aircraft. So when they both come out I could see some of them jumping in.
Ryanair has today started selling flights to the US and Latin America, as part of a partnership with Air Europa. The airline's CEO, Michael O'Leary, announced the move, which he said was a step towards Ryanair becoming the “Amazon of travel”. Made 2017 😂
wait.. what? "this strategy worked fairly well for them before covid 19 hit!"??? (nowegian)... hell no! they were well on their way to bursting up in flames like crazy because of the 787 engine problems and the money they threw at hi fly and other wet lease companies plus the compensations to passengers and a lot more! the wide body jet low cost stuff.. doesn't work using that type of strategy! That's why wowair went bankrupt (1 year before covid hit), most of thomas cook long haul was cra* and a few others.. none of them because of covid! For norwegian it's just that covid put the final nail in the coffin!
I flew on Norwegian 737 from new York Stewart to Edinburgh Scotland. I remember they had 737 flights to Belfast and Dublin departing around same time. What stops Ryanair from doing this?
I’d be curious if a partnership with one of the U.S. low cost carriers would make sense. Could code sharing make sense with an airline that uses airbus A320 series, like Spirit or Frontier? Access to RyanAir seems more important than what they fly. If they partner with a carrier with gate slots at BOS or LGA/JFK/EGR, that issue would be minimized.
People give out about Ryanair but there amazing for me. I live in Ireland and can go on holiday to a European country and back for 50euro. Their costs are absolutely insane when you think about it.
I respect o’Leary , it’s absolutely brilliant to see an Irish airline to go on to be easily one of the biggest airlines in the world, his model has changed the industry, it’s still so surprising that aer lingus are still there with the amount of times ryanair tried to purchase them very lucky to still be in existence..
Ryanair is just once step away from getting rid of the flight crew and handing the passengers an instruction manual on how to fly a 737.
they'll give a link to a 5min tutorial on yt because
1. paper is expensive
2. plane on the ground means it doesnt make money
oh and btw you have to pay for their wifi to watch the video
as somebody who's struggling to pay for his CPL, I'd find this would be a cheaper way to gather flight hours and get that 737 rating in the process
@@LucasGonzalezA First airline where pilots have to pay for operating the plane.
I really did laugh out loud that’s so damn funny
Ha! I was just gonna comment about how their landings look as tho they’ve already done that.
Being stuck on a Ryanair flight for 6 hours is the stuff of nightmares.
buy peanuts only, keep it cheap!
crap indie people love cheap carp! is it cheap?
@@lucasrem1870 yeah, we have more responsibility and relatives to look after.
A Penny Saved is a Penny Earned.
Imagine your knees !! Yikes done it once it sucks
I would love this. Ryanair is my favourite airline.
Exactly
There's a couple of things left unmentioned:
Ryanair profits from short flights. 6 to 8 short hops a day allow a few things. First, the aircraft maintenance and leasing costs are spread out between a larger number of seats. Eight one-hour flights per day allow grabbing four times more money towards that than two four-hour flights as these are paid by hours flying. Second, having shorter hops allows an aircraft to take less mandatory fuel, thus have smaller TOW and burn less fuel (and money). Third, short flights and almost empty tanks allow fuel trading. For example, Ryanair flights to nearby countries never fuel in Ukraine, because the fuel is more expensive. If you have burned through 6 hours of flight, you HAVE to fuel and spend lots of money. Four, 8 flights against 2 per day is 4 times more additional services sold. More luggage paid for, soups and colas bought, cologne testers sniffed aboard. Finally, short flights give the opportunity for the crew to arrive at the airport, do a turnaround or two, and go rest back at home, while long trips need more transfers, hotels to be booked, etc etc.
Why does Ryanair fly longer routes then if they are obviously non-profitable? The answer is simple: damping. In most places, they already fly 70% of short connections of the local classic carriers and often make them drop the routes. If they cover the longer routes, classic carriers may die altogether, not being able to cope with 9,99 EUR seats for 3-hour flights, and then Ryanair will reign in full (in the said region of course). This model is possible within Europe cramped with tons of small airports that have or need direct connections, but would be impossible on large trunk connections across the pond.
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That is a brilliant analysis -- I learned so much. Thank you.
Not to mention that on longer flights, people prefer paying more for a better onboard experience with more inclusions. It's why the major U.S. airlines operate like low-cost airlines for domestic segments (charging for baggage, food, alcohol, etc.) but as full-service carriers on longer international segments (all or most of the above included). It's one major reason why low-cost long-haul airlines mostly failed pre-pandemic. Also why such airlines prefer smaller planes, because they don't see enough demand to fill a 787 or A350
Basic business. Supply and demand, give what the customer wants, bums on seats. And no greedy share holders.
Thank you. Your reply is so concise. You should be making videos, yours would be best. Just don't waste more than 5 seconds of my life at the beginning of each video with your standard brand announcement.
It seems shortsighted that we are assuming that Ryannair would fly to a major international Airport. That goes far against their model. More likely, they would look at Provodence or Manchester for Boston and Islip or Long Island for New York.
There is no way Ryannair would ever think about going into JFK or BOS.
Newark, not JFK and Allentown, not Philadelphia ( which is so close to NYC via air that the distance is negligible).
They occasionally fly to major international airports in Europe, if those have some special program to attract new airlines.
They are not opposed to it, they are just not going to pay any more than a more remote airport would charge.
That being said Ryanair will never pay up for converting an airport to an international one, so Providence and Long Island aren't options. It either be upstate Stewart for New York or Atlantic City and i can imagine Atlantic City cutting some special deal with Ryanair to support their casinos.
@@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer For what it is worth, if they fly from Dublin, they don't need to go to an International Airport. Dublin has pre-clerance.
Then again, it might still not work well with Ryannair's strict point to point model.
@@penguinsfan251 Newark is already a major airport. They might as well fly to JFK
Depends, they fly to BER, FRA and some other major hubs, but indeed thats not their main airports
I can't even imagine being on a densely packed 737, going transatlantic. No ticket is cheap enough....
Ryanair feels more spacious than Lufthansa’s A350 … some would fly with Ryan Air long haul if there is the offer
@@antrumkfpsalatschleuder8768 any 737 feels cramped. Don't care the carrier.
@Super Kawaii Kitty Airlines like Frontier and Spirit at least use wider Airbus A320 variants. You can cram the rows in and at least you have width. I choose to avoid 737s like the plague and have never flown Southwest for that reason. But a narrow 737 with maximum rows crammed? Nope. Nope. Nope.
$40 to fly across the ocean? You’re telling me you wouldn’t do that,
@@alphamalegold No.
After 9/11 several airlines were exercising cancellation options for 737 Orders. Boeing was considering closing/ mothballing the production line. Ryanair stepped in and placed a huge order at a good price and Boeing kept production continuous.
Dear god thanks ryanair
Yep, I made some calculations and Ryanair could've got the planes for less than 30M$/pc :D. Possibly even closer to 20M$ than 30M$
O'Leary once said that his priest doesn't even know what he payed.
Yahh 😂
You forgot to mention that Michael O'Leary studied Southwest before taking over Ryanair. Also to note we can that the US Air Force for Ryanair's success as a lot of the old bases were closed down and they could fly into Frankfurt Hahn (about 2h away from Frankfurt by bus) for pennies in fees. Lastly most passengers on Ryanair see it as a bus service, you sit down, shutup and don't complain about it. I've flown may times and also know a lot of people who used it as a shuttle service between where they lived and worked in London. For the US-Europe market the customers will be more demanding and I don't think the cheapness of Ryanair will fly. O'Leary knows this.
Interestingly in a change of tack FR began operations to FRA (much to the annoyance of LH). But now FR will soon be axing operations from FRA owing to the latter's high fees.
@Razor Mouth☘️ Yes they will
Excellent point. For example I have thrown Lufthansa from US to major European cities like Germany and to Geneva, the service and the entire flight were very enjoyable. Flew from Germany to Russia on the same Lufthansa and it was disastrously unbearable, but the plane was full and no one complained.
Money talks.
US citizens would NEVER put up with the shocking service - there would be riots.
All these people who are lambasting Michael O’Leary seem to be missing the point. He’s a genius, he mastered one of the most successful aviation models in history. Sure the planes aren’t comfortable, but the impact and accessibility to flight it’s allowed is profound
I feel bad for all his workers lol
Exactly!! Coming from an Irish person, Ryanair has saved me so much money over the years, they’re brilliant. People complain over legroom and other issues and what I say to that is if your buying an airline ticket at such a cheap price don’t expect a 5 star experience. I don’t care about luxury on a flight, I just wanna get to my destination as cheap and as safe as possible, and Ryanair are very good at doing that
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@@seanmccormack3735 Thank you. Also irish I wonder are some people brain dead they don't understand simple business concepts. Your littereally flying to another country for cheaper than a train ticket most of the time
@@armymanal sure let them off, if they wanna spend more money on the transport they can, but I rather spent me money when I’m actually on holiday, not the plane
Something not mentioned is the cost of Extended-range Twin-engine Operations Performance Standards (“ETOPS”) for the crews (training), added weight of ETOPS compliant equipment, etc.*
(*=I don’t know if any Ryanair aircraft are ETOPS certified/ETOPS compliant)
EDIT: changed from “...is the coast of Extended-range...” changed to “...is the cost of Extended-range...”
Their planes are not ETOPS. You beat me to that point, good job.
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+the fact of the restriction of their AOC wich means they would have to spend a lot to have right to fly across the Atlantic
This ^^.
There are a dozen better reasons than the ones given in this video for why they don't do it but by far and away the largest is this.
The cost of buying and then modifying a 737Max to fly any commercially viable route (ie not something as useless as ScotlandMaine) would be several times what they normally pay for an aircraft and maintaining and crewing it would cost a lot more than the rest of their fleet.
Factor in the costs of landing slots, longer turn-arounds, etc. etc. and you just end up moving to wide-bodies which isn't a market they are structured to compete in.
Option #3 - refuelling stop in Gander Newfoundland. That's what WestJet did when they were doing their European trans-Atlantic flights from a number of locations across Canada. It also addressed the ETOPS issues with flying 737s trans-Atlantic.
Back in 99 I had a family emergency come up and I literally spent every penny I had on a Ryanair flight back to Ireland, from London (and in fairness to Ryanair, the train to Stansted cost nearly as much as the plane). Unfortunately the dreaded 'circumstances beyond my control' meant I just missed the plane. Not making it home wouldn't have been a matter of life and death, as such, but it would have ruined lives for certain; mine, and others! Unfortunately, then as now, Ryanair were notorious for an attitude to cancellations and the like which might have been summarized as "Having heard your story, my heart bleeds for your misfortune. Tough sh1+, not my problem. *Next!"* Nonetheless, stuck at the airport without so much as the price of a phonecall, and unable to go forward _or_ back, my only option was to wait for the morning and the Ryanair desk to open, and with hope greatly exceeding expectation, throw myself on the mercies of the fearsome looking matron and beg, and given the situation, I was not above using emotional blackmail! Well, did I say 'Fearsome looking matron'? What I meant of course was 'Motherly; resolute but wise', because God Bless that woman, after initial out - of - hand refusal, pursed lips, long sighs, put - upon looks and a great deal of 'diddling about' on the computer she came through for me! She will never know what that meant to me in either emotional or practical terms, but I owe that lady a _great_ deal of thanks.
Needless to say, between company policy and the precept that 'No good deed goes unpunished' she was most likely out of work before the end of her shift!!
No good dead goes unpunished indeed, Ryanair gave you a free ride and that gave you one more reason to complain.
@@2adamast That's a weird way of looking at it. Have you shares in the company or something?! Apart from anything, I was just telling an anecdote; it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously - but since you're going there, well, I think it's pretty obvious that I was full of gratitude for the lady concerned. If you feel I was being unfair to the firm, ahh, _How?!_ I didn't *actually* get a free flight from _Anybody!_ I had actually paid for a ticket if you remember, and I can assure you, it wasn't one of those 19 quid jobs either! No passenger was discommoded for me, not a dribble of extra aviation fuel was burnt because of me. The only thing Ryanair might have been done out of was the chance to gouge me for the price of a second ticket... Oh, and if you think I'm libelling Michael O'Leary's baby, they have a demonstrable and well known history of poor industrial relations. Not to mention tight - fistedness.
Maybe you're just the type of person that when someone commits a tiny infraction of the rules in order to do you a favour, like, say, holding a bathroom turnstile open to save you a quarter or whatever, you give them one of those filthy looks that says "Don't make _me_ a part of your sordid criminal low - life"! If so, well, look, I don't really know what to say to you.
I'm not an Anarchist (actually in the above situation, I _certainly_ broke no rule, and I suspect the company would have had rather a hard time making the case that the lady on the desk did either); I sure have no doubt that society wouldn't take long breaking down when you take away the rules. cf. Katrina - but of course there was _a lot_ more there had broken down than *just* the rules. I also think it should be borne in mind that "Rules were made to be broken", as flippant as it sounds, is actually a rather wiser and more subtle saying than it may at first appear.
I wouldn't say "never."
If Jetblue is really succesful with their trans-Atlantic flights, I wouldn't be surprized to see Ryanair airplanes at JFK in 15 years or so...
But why would they fly to JFK instead of LaGuardia which is a hub of low cost carrier and closer to city center
@@abhigyakhandelwal9215 Could be LGA or BOS. My point: if other low-cost airlines will be successful, Ryanair will also add flights. I don't think they will open a base in the US, but certainly introduce some flights.
Also: Airbus shows how far modern airplanes can go (i.e. Breeze's A220-plans to Europe) and even if Boeing is currently behind Airbus, Boeing eventually has to upgrade their airplanes to compete better against Airbus.
More like New York Steward airport like Norwegian does
@@abhigyakhandelwal9215 LaGuardia doesn't allow. So, if they want to fly to New York it's either EWR or JFK. They can fly to Islip. Though.
@@abhigyakhandelwal9215 being closer isn't necessarily a reason for Ryanair to choose a landing spot. More about airport fees.
I remember when the Ryan family sent O'Leary to spend time with the leaders of Southwest to learn the tricks of the trade. Since returning Ryanair has gone from a modest, struggling company to a major player that most others in the market detest. All because O'Leary has made big things happen from little budget, and now he's made this low cost giant, a lot of start up's are trying to replicate the Ryanair success story. As we have seen over the last 2 - 3 decades, not many have the luck of the Irish, and have fallen by the wayside. Even the mighty Air Berlin suffered and faded into the history books.
Brilliant, a writer who knows his history spot-on, writes totally correct English and has one of my garden birds ( soon ) as his profile photo!!!!!
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Air Berlin has been screwed over by external factors outside their control though.
And if it wasn’t for Maersk Air forcing the Ryan family to take an old Embraer turboprop of their hands, there would not have been a Ryanair. The Ryans had to find use of that airplane and came up with flying some early cheap routes using that airplane.
JFK certainly didn't have the luck of the Irish
Back in 2006 I was in the US Navy and the government chartered Ryan Airlines to fly what we called the rotator. It started in Diego Garcia and after abut 5 stops and 36 hours later ended in Norfolk Va - I was greatful for the free lift home but man what a tuff flight in a 737...
I flew some of those flights on the Bahrain - Diego Garcia leg. Definitely not my airline of choice.
I watch a lot of aviation content, but your channel is easily the most underrated... good luck on the 100k quest dude
A third option would be to partner up with a low cost carrier in the U.S. to provide the necessary coverage. Many low costs airlines have tried to serve the transatlantic routes but failed partly due to having no in network connections. This would fix the logistical aspects of operating a low cost carrier transatlantic.
One big hurdle is that they don't even officially support transfers between their own airplanes, but instead treat each leg as a separate trip, that needs to be booked separately, with baggage retrieval in the middle. Even just to allow for transfer to the transatlantic flight would be a huge change of business.
In Asia, specifically Indonesia, we have a budget airline called Lion Air which is very similar to Ryanair. If I am not wrong, Lion Air is banned from flying into European airspace.
Ban was lifted in 2016 if Wikipedia is accurate
Difference is that Ryanair has never crashed lol
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 true lol
Big YES from my side for an O’Leary video with your favorite interview quotes. Another great vid btw, keep it up and you will surely crack 100K before summer.
They could fly from Dublin to Hartford, Worcester, Providence, Manchester (NH), Bangor, Albany, and Buffalo.
Yes, cheaper airports, not nearly as competitive routes and Ryanair just simply makes any route and destination popular because it just is there.
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If they could reach Buffalo they could reach Pittsburgh.
1:00 it *raises* the question. "Begs the question" means a circular line of argumentation.
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I've only been gone a month!
@@cobyexplanes we missed you :)
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I couldn't think of anything worse than flying 6 hours in a Ryanair aircraft.
They ain’t marketing to u then.
I could. Seven hours 😂
i ve done 5hrs from BER-LPA
flying United?
Spirit has an almost 6 hour non-stop from BWI to LAX plus an international flight from FLL to Lima, Peru
02:03 Of course it does depend on what time of year you fly. Fares in summer are way more expensive than out of season, they can be as high as those of full-service carriers.
Speaking for my experience, they really aren't. Even in high season they're still waaay cheaper than other airlines. My 150€ round trip to Valencia would have cost well over 300 with another carrier.
have you ever flown ryanair? the tickets are dirt cheap no matter what
@@steffen6987 of course I have! And from where I'm based tickets to certain summer resort destinations can be around 100-200 EUR one way. I wouldn't call that dirt cheap.
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The tax system in the US is enough to prevent RyanAir from attempting to enter the market. Even if they could be competitive on pricing, they would have to use brute force with multiple destinations at once in order to have the efficiency of scale to handle disruptions without killing the brand.
There are a lot of obstacles to RyanAir serving even the shortest routes like Boston. There also is no reasonable chance to grow transatlantic routes enough to be profitable enough to try.
Remember, on the US, we pay excise taxes, airport passenger fees, security fees and state and local taxes that combine to be more than a round trip ticket in the EU.
Ryan Air , flights to the USA, NO thx .
@@davidjohn64 Plenty of people would fly over on a 737 if the price is right. Maybe you or I would prefer something more comfortable, but getting to the US for, say, €99 (+extras) would be very popular.
The ticket price does not reflect what you pay for the flight with RYR. It gets significant subsidies for flying into secondary EU airports...
Yes, that isn't talked about enough. O Leary plays off secondary EU airports against one-another in order to get heavily subsidised landing rights. He can do this because when Ryanair flies to one of these secondary airports it becomes easily the biggest airline there and there are no players that could really replace it, so Ryanair's presence or absence leaves a lot of airport jobs (sometimes even the survival of the airport) hanging in the balance so regional and local politicians end up heavily subsidising their airports to get Ryanair to come there or stay there. This takes a huge chunk out of Ryanair's overhead. I'm not so sure they would be able to pull that crap in the US.
And when a major airport like FRA entices FR but then later hikes its fees you see FR quitting.
@@mariusdufour9186 I believe the FAA subsidizes smaller airports/airlines. 20% of every ticket I believe goes to the faa
@@todoldtrafford Interesting, maybe we should do it that way. Just have one European agency that subsidises all those secondary airport at the same rate, and outlaw local and national subsidies. Then O'Leary won't be able to play his games anymore.
@@mariusdufour9186 best if Ryan air didn’t get subsides. I don’t think the us model is efficient though. That’s why airfare is higher here. Faa takes a lot.
An alternate timeline where Ryanair enters the American market...
Spirit and Frontier: *Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary*
Living in the NY Tri-State Area and knowing just how many Irish-Americans there are here (I am one of them; part Irish because of my dad), I could definitely see flights to/from NY and Boston working in their favor. You also have to consider that both Dublin and Shannon has US customs and immigration pre-clearance as well. Also as someone whose great grandma was from the Canary Islands...what you showed at 0:08 definitely wasn't Tenerife South. That's Corfu. And 0:10 looks like Phuket
Yeah, I completely agree...I could see them flying to Providence TF Green, Tweed New Haven, Westchester County, or Bradley International from the NY/Boston areas. They also don't have to worry about selecting International airports because people can just preclear in Dublin.
@@AverytheCubanAmerican What about politics?
Hi long time no see
Why did you only see two options in the end how Ryanair could fly to the US? They have a history of flying to relatively unexplored destinations, creating passenger numbers ‘just because they fly there cheap’ and it works. If they start flights from the US, Canada and more destinations in continental Europe to the Azores or even Saint-Pierre and Miquelon they could partially just bring tourists to these beautiful destinations while also creating a connection between the two continents. Maybe just put up a cheap ‘Ryanair Hotel to spend a night or two. This format already works well for decades for Icelandair, why couldn’t Ryanair try it elsewhere?
€40 per flight (€80 single trip EU-US vv) and offer an optional overnight at the Azores for another €40…..it would sure attract some traffic would be my expectation.
Exactly!
But no Ryanair is only Boeing 737s it would be pushing lims of it for America like It wouldn't have enough fuel
@@Expa. nope. The 737max already has the range to do that.
In fact SEVERAL US, Canadian and European Airlines are already doing it.
Icelandair is using it's 737max for nonstop flights from Keflavik/Reykjavik to:
Boston, Newark, Chicago, Baltimore, Washington, Minneapolis, Relaigh Durham, Orlando and Seattle.
Some flights are not operated right now after Covid, but they will be operated again once the damand is back up.
WestJet
Is operating the 737max from Halifax to
Paris and Dublin
And from Toronto to
Edinburgh, Dublin and Glasgow
Depending on the season.
United Airlines is planing on using the 737max for flight from Newark to Ponta Delgada/Azores Islands
Air Canada is operating the 737 from
Toronto to Shannon
Montreal to Dublin
Halifax to London Heathrow
The Orlando flight with Icelandair is the longest 737 route at the moment.
And it's 8 hours and 20 minutes.
Yes. 8 (EIGHT !!!) hours in a 737 across the pond and down the east cost...
Just Google it.
It's Icelandair flights 688/689 (or FI688/FI689)
So i wouldn't be surprised if Ryanair would start flying their 737max across the Atlantic in the near future.
If they see an opportunity to make money with such flights you can be assured that CEO Micheal O'Leary will not let such a chance slip away unused 😉
Or he will use it to just P*ss off the major carriers like Lufthansa, American and Delta and take passengers away from them.
Excellent! I have great memories of watching from my cheap hotel room on a snowy afternoon,,, freezing pax with no shelter clamoring ito a ryan 73!
Buzz used to be AirUK’s “low cost” operation, split from the KLM feeding operation when AirUK was sold to the latter. You also didn’t mention the non-flying revenue squeezed out of Airports by Ryanair. They insist small airports pay them to go there rather than pay landing and handling fees. They also take a cut from taxis, airport concession holders, hotels, regional governments etc. They’ll also screw over handling companies when they do pay, their staff (who pay for their applications, interview and uniforms), fuel companies and Boeing themselves (de-icing guarantees vs return fuel) etc. They are not nice people. The main reason they won’t go across the pond is that they can’t fill the planes, won’t be able to screw over the Americans and they won’t do connecting flights on one ticket.
Totally true!
that's not the same buzz. buzz was formerly named ryanair sun, a polish subsidiary which adopted the name buzz about 2 years ago.
Flightcrew europewide will party the day MOL passes away.. biggest crook in the industry.
Flew this airline once in Italy. It was like a cattle car. Crew was awesome. Got where we were going safe. Was a company trip and we got what we paid for. No complaints.
If you consider the Ryanair prices, they are not cheap. If you have a bit of luggage, Ryanair has _very_ often more expensive tickets than e.g. Eurowings or TuiFly in Germany. They use without-anything-else prices for the first seats as baits which will rise fast with _any_ option or a bit later. Further, they often use cheap airports, quite often long away from the actual destination. So, you don`t only loose time but you have to pay extra for e.g. bus to get to your real destination. Their seatings are _narrow_ to pack passengers like sardines. If your luggage is some grams overweight, bingo, damned expensive extra costs where serious airlines just wave you through. On top, they exploit their staff by avoiding social costs. Considering US: They keep their planes as long in the air per day as possible. You can do that within Europe by making 6, 7, 8 flights a day selling overpriced snacks or drinks each time plus of course enormous fees for any extra ;-). Transatlantic you have much more turnover time, you would need more planes. And operating two 737 isn`t cheaper in comparison to one A330 that carries about the same number on the racetracks between big cities or hubs.
Ryanair seats in the newer aircraft are not so narrow at least no more than other airlines. Other airlines will not pay attention to those extra weight just because its included alright in ur ticket price that's why their tickets arw more expensive. Speaking of Germany the distance from city centre in Munich to the main airport is the same as the one Ryanair uses. In many other German cities Ryanair uses the main airports. People need to understand that u dont get anything for free in any airlines of this world. All food that airlines give u for free is included to ur ticket . No business gives things for free without having benefits
Yes it is much like these ads for cheap car hire. I booked one of those once when visiting UK for a funeral. It was not until I went to collect the car at the airport that I was told there was a huge insurance excess and that to avoid that would more than double the cost of car hire.
@@ΓιωργοςΞερξης apart from (Frankfurt) Hahn
Another good thing to mention is that Ryanair will fly to smaller out of the way airports to reduce landing fees. Major US cities usually only have a couple airports open for commercial aviation, and many of those airports already have budget carriers servicing them that might not be keen to see the new competition, particularly Southwest. Like Dallas Lovefield or Chicago Midway. There’s a few exceptions but that’s the case for many. Plus these airports are usually a lot smaller and might not be able to accommodate the larger planes necessary to make these transatlantic flights.
"He has a gift of being able to look at the aviation market from a million different angles"
but that's just a market...I have the gift of being able to look at the entire WORLD from different angles. It's why I already know what is the right path that society should follow
yo kim, ur gonna be bombarded by usa imao
That is reason why you are our beloved leader
One can hope that one of their imitators that uses Airbus fleets might be more interested. The 321xlr can open up a pretty wide variety of transatlantic routes, and will hopefully make big changes to the cost of transatlantic fights. Sounds like Wizz had ordered some of them, so we'll see if that goes anywhere.
jetblue already flies their a321n from both jfk and bos to both heathrow and gatwick
Equipping an aircraft to do trans-atlantic with fewer seats (needed to get range) more galley space means that after the 16 hours for the return flight LON-NYC-LON, you have another 8 hours where plane should be used, but as it is is incompatible for domestic travel (insuficient seat densitty etc), it may not be profitable.
Dublin has US pre-clearance, so would allow a 737 to land at La Guardia instead of JFK/EWR, but that is still an expensive airport. If you depeart from Stanstead, then you're stuck using expensive airports in USA.
If during one leg of translatlantic, Ryannair would have normally done say 3 flights with that plane, it means that it needs to charge the trabnsatlabntic passengers at least 3 times a "regular" price, and once you add everything else, would it be competitive with existing transatlantic low cost carriers ?
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Here’s the deal, southwest has cornered the market in the US. Ryanair has been vocal that they copied the Southwest business model however, southwest tickets are outrageously cheap for what you get, 2 suitcases, free snacks and drinks, free movies, shows and live tv as well as texting. There have been other carriers in the US who try to copy the southwest model and don’t succeed nearly as well as they hoped to. And now, southwest is essentially a mainline carrier with I think the 3rd largest fleet in the world and the largest of 737s. Bottom line is I don’t think Ryanair would dare mess with big papa which is Southwest.
Southwest is looking across the pond, they are wanting to operate international flights into Europe, so it is not impossible to think low cost carriers can do it, jetblue is planning on deploying there A321lr and XLR on these routes
One thing they could possibly consider is running a Dublin to St. John's flight (which is shorter than the Warsaw - Tenerife flight mentioned at the top of the video) and partner with one of the Canadian discount airlines to take those passengers to other locations in North America. Though the one challenge in that is that Canadian landing fees are really high.
You are a Ryanair fan boy, dear Cody, that's for sure... There are multiple reasons why they don't.
The primary reason is that they can't do what they do in Europe as there is already some form of saturation on the market in the US. It will not work that easily to go to a regional airport in the US and say, we bring about 200 passengers a day to you and need a part of the share for everybody and everything that makes money on the airport, from shops, taxis, etc,... If you bring 20000 a day, that might be a different story. Secondly the passengers they aim for are tourist that don't mind to be handled as things or lemmings. You know how there business model works. So you know you're just "the box" in their aircraft to be moved from A to B and it is nice for them that this "box" also has a credit card to pay for optional stuff that is overpriced.
The transatlantic passengers are a different kind and more business people are using those routes. If you ain't traveling for fun, you want peace of mind, comfort, ... and generally it are companies paying for these tickets...
And last, their aircraft are currently not rated for transatlantic crossings.
There are many more reasons, but these are basically the most reasonable in my opinion. I have nothing against them but while flying nearly twice weekly within Europe before COVID, I avoid them at all cost, and I do pay myself for my tickets. I also think their CEO is just an attention seeker... he might be smart, but he learned most of this from South West and is just annoying. It works, apparently.
It is just a matter of time until they have their major incident. Don't get me wrong, I am not hoping they will. But if you give your employees a sh*t contract and salary, they are likely not the most motivated and trained to handle unexpected situations. Their pilots are fine and well trained according to the standards, but will switch to other airlines as soon as they can. I know a few that fly for them.
You are getting what you have paid for, but for some the cheap price is more important than all the rest. Good for them. No thanks for me.
"It is just a matter of time until they have their major incident". Out of line. Your comment was going ok before you wrote this. Why say this? Speculation of the worst kind, even if you're not wishing upon it, you're using this extremely speculative conjecture to construe your argumentative point. Any company is at risk of this and Ryanair will not cut cost on plane maintenance because it is not in any flight carrier's interest to have a crash. Ryanair maintenance costs less because they only fly 737s so their whole mechanic crew only need knowledge of this one plane. And any pilot flying a plane is qualified to takeoff and land it safely, it is why they have a lot of hours before they get their commercial license.
@@andreicmello He's right though. It's just a matter of time before any airline has a major incident. It could be a billion or a trillion years, but it's just a matter of time.
@@Monaleenian He targeted Ryanair. Don't get the point of your comment, but ok.
wait lol, you aint got 100k subs? wut? im not subbed? why are there only like 400 comments on this video? your vids are really well made and im surprised by this. keep up the good work homie
You are only half right. I flew on Ryan Air when I left the east coast to Afghanistan. They will go anywhere if they are chartered.
I flew them on the way back. Was like a 6 stop hop across Europe and Nova Scotia
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I've personally met mr O'Leary both at his home and in Dublin airport where he's son hands on he was checking the tickets on for boarding a flight. He is to me just like any guy. There is good banter between us. The man is loved and hated, yet his professional opinion is respected. He is genuinely 10 steps ahead whether it's airlines or his horses. I respect him on any level but he is also down to earth. he would have tea with my dad while discussing house plans. He's already decided before you arrive
So????
Not yet, they seem to still be consolidating their model on their realm, a transatlantic one knowing them could mean 1 or 2 widebody planes on the max seat configuration so far, but is not the time
What a great advert for O'Leary. I counted the number of times you said 737 max. It was zero.
I Can already see myself in 10-15 years, watching this video while flying to the US with Ryanair.
No you won’t. Onboard wifi? Hilariously expensive 🥳
Unlikely.
By operating the Boeing 737 (and the Max variants) only, not only can he substitute any plane on any route due to technical or operational needs, he doesn’t need to worry if he has a crew type trained on a different model. Any Ryanair flight deck crew can fly any Ryanair plane as they’re all basically the same. It’s no good having un-unserviceable Boeing 757 when the available 737 crew are not type trained to operate it.
Love your videos. Dlad you're back! also can you make a video predicting what boeing will do in 2022 or if they will do a comeback in 2022? thx.
I've got one coming out in a few weeks you might like ;)
I'd love to see a video Herb Kelleher. That dude was a true American legend. The government even tried to shut him down at one point and he survived it and in an industry that is plagued with customer service issues he managed to turn Southwest in the best example of customer service in nearly any industry.
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They could also fly to Philadelphia International Airport. It's only 45min away, not slot restricted and cheaper.
I would not like to see Ryanair on this hemisphere
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@@MaulinAgrawal1217 why not
I've never flown Ryanair. I'd rather have everything covered in the fare, have a bit of extra leg room and reserve a seat. It's a personal preference. I'm fond of extra comfort and willing to pay for it if I can.
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Lucky you Eamon!
Ihave flown Ryanair lots of time, at first I loved it, simple, uncomplicated, cheap... Crew was much nicer than Azores airlines....
But then they started to complicate rules about luggage and boarding... And this and that... And I realised the plane was awful (737's fault, not Ryanair's), the amount of time I lost, how a flag carrier was not that much expensive and I moved to another city and .... Stated avoiding ryanair like the plague!
easyJet is fine, TAP is ok, Lufthansa is great but To give you an ideia of how bad ryainar is, last time I flew with them I did Porto-Lisbon and paid 9€... I know prefere to pay up to 19€ and go by bus, spend 60€ and drive or pay 40 and get a train than to pay 9€ and fly. It was that bad.
Who do you fly with instead?
@@qo92 I last flew 2 years ago with Aer Lingus regional which was operated by stobart Air for Aer Lingus. I've also flown locally with Aer Arann express which doesn't operate anymore. I've flown internationally with Aer Lingus, KLM, Kenya Airways and British Airways.
@@eamonahern7495 EI nickel and dime you as much as FR these days. I prefer EI (just prefer A32x by a small margin) but I've found the AF/KLM and BA alternatives tend to cost more than the equivalent FR or EI flights I've looked into in the past while. The EI flight I was on a couple of days ago was lovely but I did have to pay for as many extras as I would have on FR. At least it flew from a proper airport though :-)
Even with all the reasons, still really don't see why they couldn't do it 😕 Could they not get a bit more profit on food and drinks for long haul, and wouldn't people be more likely to take luggage. Also, it would increase the profile of Shannon airport and possibly increase traffic on all other Ryanair routes 🤔
The most profitable Transatlantic bridge is UK-East Coat US and that market is fiercely protected by incumbents. It's not a low cost route but a premium convenience route. The Dublin - Shannon - East Coast is seen as a lower rent, lower volume proposition.
Good point to all the Ryanair haters and I sure used to be a ‘don’t fly with them if I can avoid it’.
Trouble is now even the full price carriers are charging for seat reservations, carry on bags, early boarding etc. Nothing more than full cost budget airlines.
No brainer if you cope with the light travelling. I recently went to Dublin from Birmingham and return in a day and the car park cost almost double the flight.
Lmao Michael O’Leary would be a fun guy to grab a beer with
He likes to talk about horseracing
I want to thank you for your advice here. And thank you for your shirts and the 747 hoodie that II purchased and have received. Thanks..
I don't see flying long hauls on 737s in general. But I know there are 737s flying from the west coast to Hawaii. And that is long enough over the water and having First and Business Class is helpful as well.
Ryanair's main competitor, Wizz Air is neither planning any cross-oceanic flights, however they might be capable with their new Airbus A320neo aircraft.
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Is wizz air a ryanair competitor? They have a321s which are way bigger while ryanair has 737s
I fly Ryanair a hell of a lot. I love them, they have an amazing safety record and most importantly, they never take themselves too seriously. Sure, things go wrong sometimes but that’s life. Fly them and love them.
He didn't talk about the U.S. fees for "safety" after 9-11. I can't see how Ryanair would be able to be lost cost to the U.S. Then once you break up your business model passenger expectations may change.
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Actually all of those operational challenges can be overcome but the cost is prohibitive:
- Airport fees: we cannot operate to small airports in US as they are not "airports of entry". Large airports have fees in a region of 100EUR per pax. Compared with 5-10EUR/pax we get in most EU airports.
- ETOPS certification and related costs: few 100k cost per a/c. plus we need additional extra fuel so sales capacity would be restricted to around 100-120 pax (!)
- TSA, US security, ATC and GH related costs are all 50-100% higher then average we can get in Europe
- Crew overnight would likely be required - increasing crew cost by about 50%
So all-in-all we can make it happen but the cost base is nowhere near competitive enough to get into such oversaturated market.
The longest Ryanair flight is Tenerife to Stockholm, not Warsaw
There's no such flight. No direct one
@@andrew116 yes, it might has been cancelled but there was that rute and also Oslo Torp
I'm willing to bet, here in January 2023, that the Boeing 737 Max 7 finally moving forward may just change this for them. That thing is a 10 hour jet and would certainly allow them to break in without relying on the dense and expensive coastal airports. It will obviously have fewer seats than the 800/8, but they would at least be able to maintain their current seat density.
I did fly Ryanair a couple of times from Stansted to Lübeck some years ago, but the experience was less than ideal compared to flying British Airways. I will never fly Ryanair again. I would rather pay more, feel safer, do not get pressured into buying this or that extra, and generally have a more pleasant trip. At one point it was rumoured that Ryanair would start charging £1 to use the toilets on board!
Ryanair is actually safer to fly than British airways they take safety and maintenance very seriously
@@timmy00264 Don't agree. The training the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet give their cabin crew is next to none. I would rather trust a properly trained flight attendant from BA or similar if the worst happens.
@@davidtaylor4975 British airways have some major safety issues over the years and fatal crashes in the same time Ryanair has been about they have a great safety record also all cabin crew have to have the same Training when it comes to safety regulations regardless of the airline this can obviously differ in different parts of the world but as they operate in the UK and EU they have to maintain a high level of Training
@@davidtaylor4975 source?
"Why Ryanair will NEVER fly to America" - it literally can't make it that far.
I fly lots of cheapo airlines, but Ryanair tried to screw me worse than any other airline. I’ve managed to avoid them for 12 years.
Clown
I used them once, a group of us booked a return flight to/from Copenhagen many years ago. Never again!
Worst flight ever, from the word go! Not just us but the majority of people on that flight too, nothing to do with weather conditions as it was smooth on both flights, it was simply how they treated passengers.
If I fly I use BA, to Europe and the USA. I've never ever had any problems with BA at all, and if/when I do then I'll use another carrier. But NEVER Ryanair.
Good for us
If Ryanair were to fly to Toronto, they would stop in Hamilton, just like Flyglobespan. If it was montreal, they would stop at St-Hubert
Don't they need ETOPS as well to fly those transatlantic routes? So that'll mean another factor that makes this harder to deploy their planes for this, and they'd have to deploy planes dedicated for these routes... and that's exactly what Ryanair doesn't do, they just want one big fleet of planes with lots of communality?
Ryanair would have no problems gaining 180 minute ETOPS, which already give the most efficient route from northern Europe to the east coast.
The thing is cost on getting/maintaining ETOPS on these planes I think. Maintenance procedures have to be more thorough and frequent, even with more mechanics per team for double checking each other's work independently. That's already another point in breaking the low-cost consistency: it'd be wasteful to operate these planes in other routes, and they can't slot in any other random plane in the ETOPS routes on a whim... Unless they fly a bunch of routes that need it? Emphasis on 'I think', that's just off the top of my head.
They could go the long way round and avoid ETOPS
Hey Coby! Just landed on your video... wanted to tell you that you one of the most pleasant presenters out there in the wild! Great job, you will reach your goal in no time!
Ryanair’s current Business Model was inspired by South-West Airlines.
Should surprise people as both airlines are typically very profitable.
I have never flown a commercial Ryanair flight, but flew on a number of US Air Force AMC contract flights (Bahrain - Diego Garcia). It was like a trip back in time, as the cabins were probably 20 or 30 years old.
Yep - definitely fail to spot the connection there, bud...
Shannon to New York stewart is only 4900 km and there is pre clearance at Shannon.
But i would go nutts if i had to listen to add's the entire trip...
If they thought Shannon had enough passenger volume on their own (the owner and the airline are Irish, so THEY KNOW...) they would've flown to The States from there already.
Besides, if they want to PROFIT from the US Ryanair would want a higher number of city pairs (see what Southwest did on establishing in Hawaii an inter-island hub fed by their several flights they got to The Continent).
And I don't feel Ryanair is any more obnoxious than Spirit, for example...
Westjet kind of did that with flights from St. John’s to Dublin on the 737
Excellent analysis Coby.
thanks ◡̈
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O’Leary’s board was 100% correct. Just look at what happened to Pan Am when it got over ambitious and deviated from it’s proven model by pursuing a totally new and unfamiliar market. An airline can not gamble the same as most businesses due to the enormous liabilities it takes on and can’t easily exit from. Besides, O’Leary and his board have their hands full tackling EU over-regulation and maintaining present market share
A lot of pain and issues were from Carl Icahn forcing the company to take on unnecessary debt, then paying the cash out as stock dividends, Icahn then dumped his stock in the company leaving pan am to try for a hail Mary to save the company.
An advantage is that Ireland, Ryanair’s home country, doesUS Customs Preclearance, which would allow Ryanair’s flights from Ireland to US to arrive at domestic gates at US airports, especially at US airports w/out customs facilities like LaGuardia
Coby - Would another possible idea be establishing a home base in America, possibly at a smaller airport, and then essentially having two independent operations (one flying domestic flights in Europe, the other flying domestic flights in the US)?
I just avoid going anywhere.
It is cheaper and just as easy to look at your destination on RUclips.
America: our runways are not meant to be thrashed by Ryanair landing.
we crash Boeings!
There is also a thing called ETOPS(extended Range Twin Operations approval) but for this case the 737-800 that Ryanair uses has one for 120minutes which means that their fleet cannot fly further than 120 minutes off the coast. The solution is to purchase planes that do have ETOPS for further off coast flights
The MAX is 180 minutes ETOPS, that might be enough.
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It's not just the distance. You have to factor in winds aloft. Flying westbound, you usually fight a head wind, meaning the plane burns more fuel and thus it's range is shortened.
Saving fuel in return trip. Or Do you intend of getting home by flying in one direction around the world
The trouble is, the Ryanair model depends on the price making them the only option for many. That means the customer experience is deeply vile. I know many folks who only ever flew with them one time and swore never again. For me, they do not exist. No matter where or what price, I would never give another penny.
Describing the customer experience as "deeply vile" is meaningless. The vast, vast majority of their passengers travel with them many times and are happy to do so.
@@Monaleenian it's not meaningless. Many people also choose not to travel with them again.
What do you hate about them so much? In my experience any short haul economy is pretty much the same. Yes a Ryanair flight might be a bit more cheap and tacky feeling but there's really not that much difference with any other airline.
Option 3 - TF Green International Airport, Providence, RI, 51 miles from Boston and 185 miles from New York. Also TF Green recently underwent significant runway extension projects to accommodate international aircraft and is less expensive than the airports in Boston or New York.
No. They should not fly to this side of the Atlantic. Not to the US, not to Canada, not to Mexico, not to the Caribbean, not to Brazil, not to anywhere on this side.
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Ryanair is an airline I avoid at all costs on short haul. Reminds me of travelling the Tube in rush hour. As for O’Leary, I have no time for his misplaced arrogance & cocky manner. If he could get away with ‘standing room only’ on his planes, he would.
You are 100/ right , He at one time had a small shop jointly run with his sister and brother he FIRED both of them because they refused to WORK ON CHRISTMAS DAY, he proudly boasted it on Irish radio some years ago, I would NEVER fly Ryanair .
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Operating B737 is simply inefficient for longer routes with Ryanair model. However, Wizz Air model might work for Transatlantic routes once they get XLRs, except they are bought for Abu-Dhabi (potentially Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines).
This is a very interesting and penetrating analysis, Coby. I'd be keen to know more as to whether whether long turnarounds on transatlantic flights are necessary or just current practice. Ryanair achieves short turnarounds in Europe partly by discouraging check-in luggage, but check-in luggage is a must for most transatlantic passengers.
Oh yes, O'Leary and Carsten Spohr would be very nice. As well as heads of United, American, Spirit, Alaskan, Frontier, man, give all them big names a shot! As well as leading manufacturer engineers, like Joe Sutter. Should give you enough content for years :D
I don't see them flying here either unless they pull a "JetBlue mint buzz class" type of fly. Even then once the consumer reaches Europe it would be a spirit type of flying experience. If they go cheap on transatlantic, it would be very distasteful for the American public
If they do then the silent and cheap consumer would cheer
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IDK, you seem to underestimate how sky-high American airfares are. A genuine low-cost option would be revolutionary for much of the population. Below a certain income level, it isn't Ryanair-vs-United, it's Ryanair-vs-not-going.
Look at what Norwegian did they become the biggest foreign carrier in the New York area flying into Europe the demand is there both sides of the pond and Norse airways is now stepping into fill the gap left by Norwegian stopping transatlantic flights I think if Ryanair did enter the picture it would succeed and it's definitely big enough to put major pressure on the legacy carriers
Southwest has a similar strategy for fleet commonality. And Southwest and Spirit can do what they do because their planes are in the air for more hours than planes flown by legacy carriers.
I remember a particularly hard and fast Ryanair landing at EMA, I assumed we'd been shot down...
Michael O’Leary He is a very smart man he’s also very funny and he’s got a great sense of humor I had a chance to meet him when he came to the factory to see his planes being built and I love being part of that team That gets these planes up in the air
When the Next Generation of the single aisle aircraft come out I can see ULLC jumping into the longer haul routes. The aircraft will probably have a huge range compared to the modern fleets. The A320 and 737 are both really old airframes compared to most of the longer haul aircraft. So when they both come out I could see some of them jumping in.
Ryanair has today started selling flights to the US and Latin America, as part of a partnership with Air Europa. The airline's CEO, Michael O'Leary, announced the move, which he said was a step towards Ryanair becoming the “Amazon of travel”. Made 2017 😂
wait.. what? "this strategy worked fairly well for them before covid 19 hit!"??? (nowegian)... hell no! they were well on their way to bursting up in flames like crazy because of the 787 engine problems and the money they threw at hi fly and other wet lease companies plus the compensations to passengers and a lot more! the wide body jet low cost stuff.. doesn't work using that type of strategy! That's why wowair went bankrupt (1 year before covid hit), most of thomas cook long haul was cra* and a few others.. none of them because of covid! For norwegian it's just that covid put the final nail in the coffin!
I could see Ryanair flying from stewart airport as its close to NYC and Norwegian did the same with their 737s
I flew on Norwegian 737 from new York Stewart to Edinburgh Scotland. I remember they had 737 flights to Belfast and Dublin departing around same time. What stops Ryanair from doing this?
Just imagine if Ryanair got a380, they be like "book your ticket from Dublin to Tokyo for just 5 euros" 😹
I’d be curious if a partnership with one of the U.S. low cost carriers would make sense. Could code sharing make sense with an airline that uses airbus A320 series, like Spirit or Frontier? Access to RyanAir seems more important than what they fly. If they partner with a carrier with gate slots at BOS or LGA/JFK/EGR, that issue would be minimized.
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Headed towards Tenerife South, shows Corfu Airport in Greece LGKR. Warm sunny shores of the Canary Islands, shows Thailand. Jeez
People give out about Ryanair but there amazing for me. I live in Ireland and can go on holiday to a European country and back for 50euro. Their costs are absolutely insane when you think about it.
The question is if your ticket price is not reflecting the real cost, who is paying for it instead?
Problem..they don't fly out of Heathrow or Gatwick. The only major city they use is Manchester.
I respect o’Leary , it’s absolutely brilliant to see an Irish airline to go on to be easily one of the biggest airlines in the world, his model has changed the industry, it’s still so surprising that aer lingus are still there with the amount of times ryanair tried to purchase them very lucky to still be in existence..
Yes, in-depth on Michael O’Leary, please!