The myth of Arachne - Iseult Gillespie
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From sailors who were turned into pigs, nymphs that sprouted into trees, and a gaze that converted the beholder to stone, Greek mythology brims with shape-shifters. The powerful Gods usually changed their own forms at will - but for mortals, the mutations were often unwanted. Iseult Gillespie shares how one such unnerving transformation befell the spinner Arachne.
Lesson by Iseult Gillespie, animation by Mette Ilene Holmriis.
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arachne: wins
athena: wait that's illegal
ha
Bruhhh I swear thas how it is today😭😭😭
Diamond Apple drawz then proves Arachne’s point
There are more adaptations of the story, I believe this is a more negative one if existing at all, a common adaptation is Athena teaching Arachne how to spin, then her boasting of her self taught talents, to which Athena turns her into a spider. Also anybody else weirded out by the name Pluto instead of Hades? If I remember correctly Pluto is Roman.
so unfair!
*Arachne being right*
Athena: how dare you
Karen’s: *there is another*
Karen’s:let’s worship the first of our kind
The original karen
@Martin Silvan breh
Is this the meme
According to one version, Arachne tried to kill herself when Athena raged and the latter was ashamed at how she behaved that she decided to turn Arachne into a spider with, "No more will you weave on the loom, instead you'll continue your weaving in the air."
Zeus got angry at her and punished her, then she killed herself and Athena revived her
This version you just described is the original Greek version of the story. The one in this video is the Roman version of Ovid. He changed it to make Athena look bad
U are correct 💯
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@@elenin7917yep
@@elenin7917 Ovid described the story she commented I think the video is probably the Greek version especially because they use the name Athena instead of Minerva
How IRONIC how Arachne said the gods abuse their power. In teaching Arachne a lesson, Athena proves Arachne's point
She still ruined Medusa’s life, who was far different from Arachne.
🧐🧐🧐 you’re so right
@@arcticangel1628there’s multiple stories about Medusa, another one is that she was born the way she is and has 2 other sisters
Athena knew Arachne had a point but I'm pretty sure she just felt offended because I mean who wouldn't be imagine seeing a painting or a tapestry of your relatives doing something hecta illegal
@@gachagoddesskim7630 And then joining them as she just did.
This retelling is beautiful, but quick side note: This version of the myth is filtered through the Roman poet Ovid who held a grudge against the Greek and so painted Athena in an unflattering, cruel light. In the original Greek myth, Zeus punishes Arachne for her hubris and so she committed suicide but Athena took pity on her and so resurrected her as the first spider so she could weave for eternity and her children too.
YEEESSSS
This needed to be the top comment. I can't stand it how people get a false image of athena
Hey, It's Diva Same.
well apart from this one, Athena has got false image from another stories...
That explains the combination of Greek and Roman names (ie Pluto and Persephone)
"She represented Zeus as a philanderer"
I mean, she wasn't wrong
Like father, like son. His son hercules( or heracles) mated with his own mother.
@@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735 excuse me, wha-
@@wheresdarice3988 My thoughts too.
@@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735 *S W E E T H O M E A L A B A M A*
I felt really bad liking this comment because the likes were exactly 666 lol
Nobody:
Arachne: Gods abuse their powers UwU
Athena: HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING *abuses her powers*
It was the pride that let Arachne down
I’m sorry but the UwU is killing me. Literally.
@@e6026 To be honest, I'm not such a big fan of it either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Gayspiderbrothel
@@milenalalova2557 ironically, Athena's ego took over her
3:27
*lol her face is priceless*
All athena did was prove arachne’s point, that the gods abuse their powers
well if arachne was wise she wouldn't have wanted to prove that point on herself lol
@@CrazyLazySnazzyJazzy true that, she shouldn't have been so vain about her godly given talent
@@yoongisminthair3693 "godly given" there's no such thing.
@@matt-603 there was in those times, remember gods were deemed the ultimate rulers who had power and authority over humans. U cant just look at the story from a 21st century point of view or else you'll never understand why the story was and is still alive today
@@yoongisminthair3693 You're seeing this from a 21st century point of view as well. The Greek gods weren't the all good all powerful deity's we have today. They squabbled and fought and were petty. They weren't meant to be looked up to or revered in the same way that good are revered today.
Arachne: *sews the truth*
Athena: *ANGRY "WISDOM" NOISES*
Keep in mind she has to live with these people...........she don’t kneed to see that.
Athena : WRYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kratos: BOI
Ain’t you literally the FBI?
*REEEEEEEEE*
-Athena
In the version of this myth I read, Arachne actually won the competition, but was so ashamed by Athena calling her out. So she killed herself, but Athena brought her back as the first spider. The myth said that Athena wasn't angry at Arachne for winning the competition, it was because of her ego.
hmm. i think it depends on the version. tho i like this version better.
I've watched this video so many times, but only now do I realize how much this story reflects the current situation in my country, the Philippines. Almost anyone who questions authority is either killed or goes missing.
and it gets worse day by day lol
Thats Ovid's point, he was exiled away from Rome since he badmouthed Augustus and he wrote this poem as one of the ways he get back on the establishment and their tyranny
Lol hahahhahahahaha
Ok, Kornbip
Arachne: Nooooooo!!!
Medusa: Welcome to the Athena Curse Club 😆
Haha
wheres gon
Lol
Ging Freecss xD
Im your 400hundred like
Arachne: Gods Abuse their power
Athena: That is not true
Also Athena: *proceeds to abuse her power*
If you look at it from a certain point of view, she did sin by saying she was better than the gods and defying the gods.
@@nope9885 wasn't she actually better than the gods?
@@shubhakarkada8737 exactly!, at her crafting ability at least
@@nope9885 You do need to know that concept of God in 21st century and ancient Greece are different. In ancient Greece, God and Goddess are not flawless being. They are being with a superhuman abilities that do have flaws and misbehaviour
Thareq Prima Harianto yeah i know, I’m just saying it wasn’t completely uncalled for, she did sin.
Athena was the first historical example of a Karen
Does that make Zeus an early Johnson?
@@godzillavkk Nah the first sigma male
@@jhantagal865 Sigma male? I've never heard that.
@@godzillavkk Its like chad but more dominant
@@jhantagal865 And worse.
Athena: How dare you point out gods abusing their powers, and for that I will use my powers to turn you into a spider
Summary: Athena is a salty goddess
She is like 12 yr old playing COD but she can turn u into a spider if u win
if you know whole greek mythology , most of the gods are salty. thats why i liked kratos, hence my name means zeus slaughter...throw back to kratos killing zeus.
True
Fact... Remember what she did to medusa😞
i liked athena before seeing this.
Old lady Athena: *berates Arachne*
Arachne: OK Boomer
The ultimate comeback
Zeus unleashes a thunderbolt: *BOOM!!!*
Arachne: OK Boomer (catches thunderbolt in gynormous web)
@Clay Grantham spider webs are resilient,but unless the web was building up of silk for years,it won’t stand a chance,especially against the power of a god.
@@voidpickle5684 It's a joke
@Pqp pq furry existe his bolt can probably remove 20% of America in one strike.
She sounded like the most woke person in Greek Mythology.. arrogant sure, but obviously knew her stuff!
side note: Athena wasn't mad that she lost, but at the way her and the Gods were portrayed; so she flicked a pang of guilt on Arachne's head. However, the guilt was too much and Arachne committed suicide, so Athene, who felt pity, turned her into a spider. There's many retellings tho.
Arachne: The gods abuse their power
Athena: No they don't
Also, Athena when she loses: *Turns Arachne into a spider*
The Crowd: Outstanding move
Daniel Cooper Athena didn’t transform Arachnae because she lost the contest - She did it because Arachnae insulted her father & uncle.
@@ztslovebird Gods hella childish
To understand these myths, it helps to realize that the various characters all represent elements of the mind. Arachne represents consciousness being caught up in the right half of the brain, as she's obsessed with her own creative power and beauty. The right half of the brain is the 'feminine' side of consciousness, which is why Arachne is female. Arachne's error isn't really an error in any absolute sense. Arachne is basically Eve, who actually *becomes/is* Athena (Goddess) by persevering and spinning a web of understanding until she awakens to her own inner wisdom. From the relative perspective of time, that seems nonsensical, but from the perspective beyond time and individuality (the Alpha and Omega) it makes perfect sense.
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@@maitri6087 If we look at it through Athena's eyes (the eyes of Wisdom), it makes perfect sense. Arachne and Athena represent unconscious wisdom and conscious wisdom (being asleep and being enlightened). For Arachne to become Athena, she must start out as a little spider and weave a web of understanding.
They are just like teachers
First they will argue you, then they we will say why are you arguing
After you prove your point
They will punish you for doing so
Tell me about it, I once found a innacuracy in a high school science lesson. I got got kicked out of the room for bringing it up.
godzillavkk true man, once I led a protest against school for banning us from whereing casual clothes on our farewell/prom, which almost led me being suspended, but all students came together and we were able to win
godzillavkk true man, once I led a protest against school for banning us from whereing casual clothes on our farewell/prom, which almost led me being suspended, but all students came together and we were able to win
Like parents too.
Edit: Punishing you, for example, for something they did not tell you.
@@JonatasAdoM I know right?
imagine losing when you can literally conjure clouds and threads of grass and still lose
All that divine weaving but to still lose against a mortal
Arache: *wins and ends up being correct*
Athena: THAT'S NOT FAIR-
Arachne: Exists
Athena: “I’m about to end this woman’s whole career”
Wait
This comment is underrated
Made me laugh, good job
Tati tease
*cough* James and Tati TEA *cough*
XD
For being the goddess of wisdom, that wasn't really wise.
well, it is more than just jealous goddess punishing an innocence girl.
Arachne isn't exactly a good girl.
She taught her a lesson to never claim herself better than the gods,and to never flaunt your talents with pride
Kitz Castillo The lesson was never outshine the master. Or you provoke wrath.
Bosly Porshy Still was petty tho but I hear you.
The lesson here is that gods and deities are sore losers that can't accept the fact that humans can achieve almost anything they want to. I am not praising humans but that's just what it is.
honestly the representation of the gods Arachne did was sooooo true and realistic. if i was her place I would've did that too zeus and posidon should always be represented in a bad way.
No you wouldn't. You're staring down the barrel of a literal goddess who will punish you for blasphemy and expect to win by portraying her family like that...and get a happy ending? Also also in the greek version athena just breaks arachne's loom over arachne's head and transformed her into a spider after she hung herself.
@@aridicaexmontaudon1296 lmao
Moral of the story: weavers are secretly spooders.
When arts and crafts gets competitive
Athena lvl 90,000,000
Yes yes yes me in kindergarten when they had arts and crafts
My sister when I do better than her in arts and crafts: Athena god mode
I'm sorry to ruin your 420 likes
Mmmmmmmmmm eggs and bekfast
No one:
Athena: wears helmet to a weaving contest
Im wheezing
That is because she is bald.
@@Anonerak imao
Athena was always represented as a goddess in full armor, even when she was born from Zeus's head she wore it lol
Can't wait to see what Athena turns you into, after reading this comment.
Ovid’s Metamorphoses is incredible. When you learn all from it all of the etymologies of words we use today, mythological origins of symbols we take for granted, the amount of art that is inspired by his stories. Blimmin’ brilliant!
That was so awesome, what a tale! Thanks for sharing this 1 with us 🙏🏽😃
Moral: It's ok to lie and cheat if you are powerful.
That morale sadly holds true...
Yes even to this day magnanimous people just misuse it in so many forms and ways and still get away with it...
A lot of Greek myths aim for the moral of "Never pick a fight out of your weight class, and never think you're better than you are." AKA hubris.
There is one thing they did not mention...when they had finished the competition Arachne said that she did way better,then Athena saw wise to punish her..and that is why she turned her into a spider.
Donald
There are pretty much only two important lessons in Greek mythology:
1) Don’t challenge a GOD. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE REGARDLESS IF YOU ACTUALLY “WIN”
2) DON’T SLEEP WITH ZEUS
Well in most of the Greek Myths
Zeus can’t keep it in his pants
Kate Miller yep
That about sums it up.
Kate Miller Athena challenge her first...
Kate Miller So hubris?
You know the video will be good when it's a lesson by Iseult Gillespie
One of the more horrific Greek myths because of its implications.
Any mortal who stands up to the Gods and points out their flaws and their similarities with mortals gets mercilessly punished.
Paints a dark picture of us :(
They’re all just douches
in the story I heard, arachne feard what athena would do so she hung herself. Athena then said "A skill like yours should not go wasted" and she resurrected her as a spider.
See, this is what a goddess of wisdom SHOULD be like
@@2-dsynctium773 it was the Roman version, which kind of copied the Greek one but changed it up
Yes that sounds more like the truth! ♥️
That is the original story, a Roman named Ovid messed with the story making Athena look bad.
That STARTED dark
And got much better
It just proved her point.
EXACTLY! That is why I never liked this story.
Ariana's World 500th like
I mostly think giants and titans were way better than them
i don't know how they even became gods
ironic
2:27 zues getting ready to kill Poseidon
love the stories humans came up with to explain the physical world. amazing
It proved that Arachne was right
Anuj Kumar she was right, in the wrong way
She was right, in the true way. Someone should teach a lesson to these gods, bunch of losers.
Ya know Athena you're kinda proving Arachne's point
Edit: WHY DOES THIS HAVE 2.5 K LIKES WHAT THE *FU-*
Ye ur right, she abused her power out of anger because she lost
Was just about to say that kek
Kind of? She basically proved it.
yah
@Ryan Boon me too
THANK YOU SO MUCH. this helped a lot with school. i couldn't find a myth anywhere else.
I love this story Arachne is amazing I love going back to see this it’s so amazing
Goddess of Wisdom?
How are you wise if you get enraged so easily?
Da Dragon Durp how are you everywhere
Well, Athena is also a goddess of war.
I mean, if you saw all the people you care about even your family being insulted and slandered ...
Bro your almost there in every video I watch!
AnOpnionatedPerson If you were wise you would know they were worthy of those insults.
If someone is wheaver than you. you do the logical thing and turn them in to a spider
Lol jealous much
That's very wise of Athena.
Yeah, 'cuz Athena got triggered that Arachne did her job better than her and it went too honest that Athena made her into a spider.
Zzam Leonhart why would they be jealous??
CatastroPhobic yea
I like how he called most of the gods that was mentioned by their Greek names then calls Hades, Pluto. 😂😂😂
Isn't Pluto the Roman name for Hades? It always gets me when someone reads one of the myths and mixes up a god/goddess's name.
So Arachne beat Athena in a fair challenge WHICH ATHENA HERSELF PROPOSED and to prove her status as the goddess of *wisdom* she took revenge on Arachne for being better than her.
Most likely. U no how Greek gods be like :/
Tryficic more like goddess of childish behavior
I think it's more intelligence then wisdom. When she wants her way she is cunning and smart. She's also a war goddess the tend to have tempers. XD still One version of the story arachna hanged herself I forget the reason. Athena felt bad so she brought her back to life but she was still a bit mad about the whole thing about disrespecting most of the gods in her tapestry. So she brought her back with a curse
There are many different translations, this one just being one of the most famous. One is that Athena said she would kill Arachne if she failed. It was obvious that Athena had won and Arachne was devastated, so Athena took pity on her and turned her into a spider so that she could do what she loved most for the rest of her life. Others show Athena with a short temper and turning obviously better arachne into a spider, while some say that Arachne's art was bad and insulting and was because of a bitterness she harbored and Athena punished her for her impudence.
Silly, isn’t it? The Greek gods are a lot like us in that sense, and were created to be much closer to humans than one would think.
the way they drew Athena and Arachne are so CYOOT
Peachinne 0:41 Arachne t h i c c
She look like a 70 year old lol
I love Athena’s eyes and Arachne was really cute too
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Please please do some videos on Indian mythology too! There are a plethora to pick from and it would be really helpful! And amazing to watch from Ted-Ed as usual!
YES! INDIAN MYTOLOGY PLEEEAS!
One of my truly beloved and most cherished myths and the reason why my soul gleams with delight every single fall when my Orb Weavers return to beautify my view outside I love them all so :-)
athena goddess of not being able to take that L
gods:i wanted to comment that
gods:now we kill u
Not You roasted
Not You xDDDDDDD
P
Mwahahaha
Arachne: sews the truth
Athena: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Hi, just to let you know that 'reeeeeeeeeeee' is an ableist term! I am not accusing you of anything, just informing you so you can refrain from using it in the future :)
@@bo-me3co REEEEEE
Interesting - in the version of the story I read as a child, Athena beat Arachne fairly in the contest. But I think I like this version better - it portrays Arachne in a better light.
Bruh I swear TedEd has the best storytellers in the world
Not to lie, Arachne got Zeus and Hades pretty spot on. Hades did abduct Persephone and Zeus was a player 😅
To be fair, Hades did let her go... eventually... after forcing her to promise to come back every year....
Depends on what version you use. In some tellings persephone went willingly, though I think that's a modern spin
@@blakeking1125 actually, the one where she goes willingly is the older version. Some people just wanted to change the public view of the story, so they changed it up. Maybe followers of Demeter, i'm not sure.
@@amp-le4699 that makes me happy
From an animation they said zeusbeas thebharley wynsteen of godd
I feel like this proves Arachnes point...
That's the point
Nikolas Floros lol okay
Its the irony
So god cannot accept his seemingly mortal mistakes?
so much for being a benevolent ruler :V
it does.
Animation style is great!
Beautifully animated and narrated as always 🥰 But be careful with mixing up Roman and Greek gods: e.g. Athena, Zeus, Poseidon, Persephone are all Greek versions of the deities, but Bacchus and Pluto are the Latinised versions. Instead the names should be Dionysos and Hades if you'd want to be consistent.
It may be because its from ovids retelling of the myth who was a roman writer, who had beef with greek culture. So that may be why there was a mix of the roman and greek names, since the author was roman and wrote about greek mythology. But it has been ages since I read the metamorphises from ovid and cant say for sure if ovid himself mixed up the names, or if he was consistent.
DAMN YOU ATHENA FOR CREATING SPIDERS
Molly Gunn I mean less mosquitoes...
Molly Gunn r.i.p. the people with arachnophobia. (me)
Surely you guys love mosquitoes ?
But spiders are cool!
ikr like have you seen some of them!
arachne: im won so im probably gonna get treasure or someth-
athena: *we don't do that here*
we provide abuse here
This is so amazing
Gods are petty too. So much for being a "Goddess of Wisdom"
Even the man made gods of all the religions in todays world are like that
For the most intelligent goddess, that was pretty dumb.
I think she knew about arachne being better than her, but since she's a goddess she can't admit defeat to a mortal
LagiNaLangAko23
The abrahamic god?
As above, so below. If there are beings of higher power, I see no reason they wouldn't be different than human beings: Varying from assholes to saints.
It doesn't make sense that a tapestry woven from clouds and magic grass would be beaten by anything. GreekMythology site has 3 versions. I like the last one, but I'd prefer if the crowd chose the winner.
When a mortal flex's their weaving skills so you flex on them by turning them into a spider
Cha-cha real smooth
You just got *_VECTORED!_*
Hol’ up
Arachne: You know this just proves my point, right?
Athena: (Sighs) Yeah.
One question how Do you guys know about all of these stories so real and cool!
3:01 is that Ariana Grande on the bull
Lizard Chan also Cardi b to the right
Yes xD
Hey! Don't mess Greek mythology! You'll be sinned for that.
Bahahahahahhaga
OH MY AHAHAHAGGAGAGAHHHAHHAHHAHAGAHA IDK MAYBE
Damnit athena you salty god
A person **gasppp** omg i think athena is a pickle
No that's Poseidon
no. no, nooooooo that's poseidon cuz he's the god of the SEAAA
Yasmine Zaghal omg i live dat joke😂😂
thats very simplistic, I've heard that, Athena didn't reaveled herself before Arachne bragged about her skills, and Athena out of rage showed her true form to yell at Arachne but regreded it.
Athena filled with guilt, return to Arachne only to find that she commit suicide and hung herself.
athena finally turned Arachne tino a spider to respect her choice of hanging herself but also to let her wove in eternity.
she wasn't salty she losed herself in her prime youngness
Beautiful Tapestries...
I had read this story in a school textbook...the only detail i forgot was which god she competed against! It's one of my favorite myths
so arachne was punished for winning? way to prove a point there!
Marco Pohl no because she boasted that she was greater
But still they made a deal and Arachne still decided to punish her
I thought she was punished for offending the gods
The moral is to never question the government
My name is Bob lol xD
So basically athena abused her power 😂 no wonder arachne disrespected them 😂
Jimin 4life yup..
army
Jimin 4life she cant take the big ol L
After medusa
No wonder in the books kids of Athana are scared of spiders there scared that spiders will take revenge
The version I read had that Athena disguised as a old lady and told arachne politely a few times that her talent over loom is gods-given but Arachne refused . Athena revealed herself , a competion , Athena praising gods in her tapestry and arachne insulting the gods ( like in the video ), after that Athena decided it was a tie but made Arachne a half -spider 'cause Arachne was arrogant.
Yes , the percy jackson version
Percy: "Annabeth, you never told me that your Mom is a monster?"
Annabeth: "Yeah Seaweed Brain, I totally didn't."
Man the Greek gods were so petty.
So is the Abrahamic god who is clearly jealous of mankind, who he is supposed to have created.
Le Huy-Anh elaborate
Vladimir PutinYarbutt ikr MY TEACHER SAID THE SAME THING
Their mythology mirrors their morality.
Vladimir PutinYarbutt this doesn’t exactly explain properly. Arachne had really offended her
Salty God can't accept defeat
Nuclear Cashew
Sums up all abrahamic religions
To be clear, she wasn't defeated. The video is wrong, it was a tie because both tapestries were equally good. Not defending Athena, just making it clear
+Julilla Roboz depends. myths often vary since there wasn't an original written text as source
yeah and there are others that say that Athena won and punished Arachne for her pride. In summary, these myths change depending on who you ask so there aren't a single right way to tell them
Nuclear Cashew except Hades
Litteraly the king
Of the underworld
Disclaimer:this is the Ovid version,in the real one,Arachne lost.but Athena had pitty on her,and 1st spider
SO GOOD
Arachne: love her or hate her, she's sewing straight facts right now
r/blurredcomments
Salad 𝑏𝑙𝑢𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑑
...And that's how 8-legged things are called arachnids..
hahaha exactly! was thinking the same
This is our lesson today
this was a lesson in my class
There’s also another version where Athena spoke politely(in a disguise) to Arachne but Arachne was talking about how the goddess Athena could hardly do anything half as fine as hers. Athena got agitated and did the weave off thing. Arachne also did all those same things in the weave off from this vid. Athena admitted that there was no flaw in Arachne’s weaving but the things she portrayed angered her so she tore up the weave. Then she threw the loom at arachne’s head bc she couldn’t control her rage. (Here’s where it differs) arachne realised she messed up big time and grabbed some string of smth and hung herself in a nearby tree. Athena low key cried and decided Arachne’s talent won’t ever die and transformed her into a spider to keep her talent alive.
Idk this might not be accurate but it’s another version where Athena isn’t being a jealous goddess lmaoo
yeah the story their telling here is actually that of the poet Ovid wo had some beef with Greek society which reflects in his work that's why
Yea this is the Original myth you described
So Athena wasn’t as mad as she was in the video?
This is the one I read!!
I'm pretty sure this is the original myth.
like always, Greeks gods always have so many envy and rage stories
Oh ty I am greek !
yeah that's the point of Hellenism, that the Gods act like humans and secretly envy our mortality. The Greeks didn't try and present their gods without faults. They understood that there is no such thing as an omnipotent, perfect, being.
@@AntonisZ73 funny thing l am greek too ! :D
@@antonisk.2165 That's the uniqueness of Ancient Greek mythology. In their perspective, gods are nothing more, than just powerful humans, who experience and feel the same things most of us do. I mean, can you imagine Christian church creating a story about a time, when Jesus was envious or overused his power/authority? Cuz I sure can't.
soy joy it’s also not unique at all. Aztecs with the Pol Puh Vol have many examples of this. As do Norse Gods as well.
"It's not about money, it's about sending a message"
I was absolutely terrified
Arachne: *Wins*
Athena: “it’s treason then”
Wow much salt in this one.
Dj KiD$KoDi more salt than an overwatch server
Yep 80 kilos of salt
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This version of the myth is actually not the original, its the one written by Ovid, a Roman poet who heavily critiqued the Greek Gods. Arachne in this poem is essentially his mouthpiece, a re-writing of the original myth. The original Greek version (or one of the original Greek variants, at least) is a version where Athena turns Arachne into a spider out of pity after she loses a bet that says she can never weave again. As a spider she can now spin web, so she can continue to weave forever.
While I also like the Ovid version, as it's a really interesting criticism of the mythology (As bias as it may be) think a little critically about what the story is saying here, this would be considered blasphemous in Hellenism. The Original version is one that casts the Gods in a more favorable light overall. Though Greek mythos is still full of flawed Gods and heroes, no matter their crimes they're considered divine, this is kind of what Ovid's version was critiquing to begin with by depicting their true nature (in the context of the poem) as hedonists and abusers of their authority.
Personally I think it's a more interesting story from that angle, because that context gives it extra depth. But presenting it as the original myth is not only disingenuous to the original mythology, it actively takes away a lot of that important context that really gives it it's teeth. Not that I think this video is terrible or anything, it does a great job presenting the story, but it also happened to miss quite a lot of important parts of it!
I literally just had a test on this today and then I get recommended this
Actually,most of the old stories say that Athena and Arachne was equally good and Athena was enraged that Arachne had insulted the gods so she turned here into a spider.
Also,Pluto is Roman,not Greek,read more Percy Jackson.
I found most stories told their work was on par and no victor was decided. In the version I initially learned Athena killed Arachne and was riddled with guilt. She then transformed Arachne into the first spider so she could weave forever in an attempt to atone for the unwarranted murder.
@@eFawnB That's even worse. ugh these gods in these myths are infuriating. Such big egos and they get to sit on thrones and be worshiped? what a shame. Humans ain't their slaves
This annoys me, Athena is the goddess of wisdom, not blind impulsive actions. The version I like the most is where Arachne attempts suicide, but is turned into a spider to save her life.
Trish Chanyeol Park Remember this is back when humans who had power were equally as cruel and capricious as the God’s they created. (Not that that has changed, we just don’t usually use the God excuse for our behaviors as much now) Humans may not have been the god’s slaves, but a LARGE number were other humans slaves. One of the reasons they are so “ultimate” in their judgment was a way to cope with the hard realities of the time they lived in, a great equalizer to remind all humans that they weren’t in control and a warning to any humans who begin to feel “better than” others. I mean, the moral of this story was don’t be egotistical and stay humble. A parable meant to show you how to never over estimate your abilities, a valuable life lesson much better learnt at the misfortune of a fictitious character than to be put to death, dismembered, or any other various forms of wicked punishments used.
I find it interesting how, in Greek myth, the gods are the bad guys lots of the time, with mortals being the persevering rebels against their celestial overlords.
Adam Andrews when has that ever worked?
When you play the Sims, don't you feel compelled to kill them sometimes?
Mars Rui I can now relate
nootsuspicious s u right
I always theorized that this comes from the different levels of comfort and needs that shifted throughout cultures.
We created gods because we had developed an evolutionary ability to detect what free agents are and how they influence the environment. This works great when we have to be able to tell if that's a lion sneaking up on us or something else. But when it came to larger events, such as an earthquake or a flood, we had no idea what caused them or how to make them stop. So we started crafting myths to explain these phenomena. Many of these Gods we created could only be appeased with sacrifices. (Just look at the Aztecs to see how far we could take that line of thought.)
We did all of this to both explain what we didn't understan and also to exercise a level of control we didn't have. Hence why the gods of early religion are usually angry, vengeful, and requiring of sacrifice. As civilization became more advanced so did our notion of god. This is when we see the rise of gods that are more loving and understanding. Gods that both gave us purpose and vindication in our own morality.
Also what Athena weaves is really debatable some versions she weaves the gods showing their power but in other versions it's her story of how she won the mortals in giving her name to the land Athens
"Why are you booing me? I'm right." - Arachne, 8 AD
There's actually 3 different versions I've heard of this, two are thought to be deliberately twisted version to slander Athena. It all plays out much the same till about the end where what the tapestry is about and the reason for her transformation. The first is the one mentioned in the video, where Athena was jealous of the better tapestry and the slander. The second is almost the same as the first, but they were equals and in a bid to show dominance, Arachne was transformed. The last was where Athena wove a tapestry so gorgeous Arachne felt unforgivably ashamed and took her own life and in pity and sorrow for the loss of such a great weaver, Athena brought her back to life in the form of a spider, blessing her with the ability to still "weave". Frankly, while the suicide was unfortunate, I prefer the latter. It actually paints a more positive look on a spider's existence. She was humbled, forgiven, and blessed to continue doing what she loved doing. Just, for a different reason.
The version that I heard was basicly the same but Minerva punished Arachne because of her pridefulness both had outstanding tapestries
It dawned on me that these versions may be anti athenian propaganda, to discreditate de goddess of Athens...
Athena, goddess of saltiness
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Coddy Vuu Have you ever heard of Hera?
Oh, Hera is the great goddess of saltiness;)
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Coddy Vuu good thing she ain't real
I have read this story in third grade, it was a good one.
In another version, the rules of the contest were whoever lost could not weave ever again. In that version, Athena won, and Aracne was very upset that she could not weave again. Athena felt sorry for Aracne, and turned her into a spider so she would have beautiful silk to weave.
True origin of Spiderman
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Alex Chan spidah Weaver spidah weaver challenged a god to a weaving contest when she won the god did bad and made her into a badly spidah watch out the god is still pissssed
Alex Chan he got bitten by a spider
This part was in the Spiderman musical