Robinson Helicopters are dangerous . Just ask the NZ Civil Aviation Authority . We recently had an inquest into their safety and the coroner found the aircraft to be dangerous to fly in anything but calm weather . They make up less than 40% of the fleet in NZ , but account for 52% of all fatal accidents involving helicopters . The cause is thought to be mast bumping brought on by low-g conditions . There have been 15 accidents since 2010 with 20 people killed . All caused by mast bumping . All involving Robinson aircraft . Our CAA have issued warnings about the problems and advise that the aircraft should not be used in conditions of moderate or higher winds . This applies to all R22 , R44 , and R66 models . and is taken very seriously around here . A group of people led by one of our most famous pilots , "Choppy " Patterson Gardner have been asking for a ban on all Robinson aircraft until they are deemed totally safe . Choppy Gardener is also the mother of the latest victom of these deathtraps . She is also responsible for the first inflight camera's and data collection system in use in the industry in NZ . It must be said that Robinson has been cooperating with NZCAA and TAIC , but dispute the findings . We'll see where that leads .
Any accident is tragic, especially if there are fatalities. I’ve flown helicopters, many different types for over 30 years (ex-mil)…mast bumping is not a fault of the manufacture but of the pilot flying the helicopter. Do not want to offend or trash the deceased pilots, but if one’s flight control inputs are too abrupt for the aircraft, then horrible results often happen. I’ve never flown Robinson helo’s but have plenty of friends that do…and do so safely. Often times the problem is in the training not the actual manufacture/builder. May all those deceased Rest In Peace.
@@markweiss7715 Even Robinson themselves acknowledge that any low gravity event in their machines is almost certainly fatal . Why are they the only manufacturer to ever say such a thing ? The vast majority of pilots who have lost their lives in NZ were experienced operators , not Sunday joyriders and , most , if not all , would have faced low gravity situations in their careers and dealt with it successfully . But the Robinson is something different . Many here blame the sensitivity and lack of forgiveness of the controls , most saying that you have less than a second to respond to a low gravity event and with controls so sensitive , your first move could be your last . If that is true , and I have no reason to doubt experienced accident investigators , why are they then safe to be sold to the leisure market , with so many doubts surrounding them , worldwide ? If anyone is endangered by these aircraft it is the private pilot ,with limited experience , who flies with his friends to go fishing on the weekends . Any aircraft with an estimated 313 worldwide fatal accidents , with all blamed on mast bumping , but with 60% of them unexplained as to the cause of the event , must have reasons other than simply pilot error . Certainly some must be error , as with other makes and models . But to have so many unexplainable accidents citing the same event means to me that these crashes are related and make specific . As a side note , when the mother of one of the latest victims met the owner of Robinsons , He told her that his opinion was , because the pilot was young he probably said to his instructor "What will happen if I do this?"and pulled on the yoke ! Or words to that effect . She is one of NZ's premier helicopter pilots and her son grew up flying with her . Do you think he wouldn't know what "this" would do" ? I truly don't have the answers , no one has any concrete reasons , but I will say that so many pilots , vastly experienced in our rugged terrain and flying conditions , have not survived this aircraft. That is unacceptable . RIP to all...
You can't a have a RUclips video about Robinsons without a New Zealander in the comments explaining for the 63rd time low g pushovers. Seriously, I challenge anyone to find a robby video without a kiwi in the comments.
@@jfeeble So what you're saying is that we have no right to our opinion ? In every Robinson video there is a fanboy who trolls people who have lost friends to these bastard machines . And why are there SO many video's about these death traps ? Are all the experts wrong ? Are we supposed to ignore the fact that they have been involved in 50% of all fatal chopper crashes in our country , whilst making up less than 25% of our fleet , No , we shouldn't complain , we should just shut up and dribble . right ? Why don't you add to the discussion ? Or is trolling your only contribution ?
Partially true, but most robinson crashes/mast bumping crash had speeds more or near 100 Knots, that is upper limit of its performance & any two bladed system is susceptible to that. But yes, bell like two bladed system is safer.
@@classicperformance thanks. Ive been wanting to go on helicptor tour on a robinson. But i get a claustrophobic in small spaces, specially without airflow if it gets hot. So wanted know beforehand!
@@classicperformance i am genuinely glad to hear you have good experiences with them, and I really dont mean to be pessimistic but just a few days ago another one dropped out of the sky onto someone's front yard in my neighbouring city, fortunately nobody was killed
As for “looks”..yeah, LOOKS good. They NEED to get rid of THAT ‘semi-rigid’ M/R system though..INNOVATE Robinson, make them SAFER! Started in R22’s THEN transitioned to REAL helos..Hughes/Schweizers: H269’s and the 300-series. Never looked back (Unless I HAD to..!)
I just entered a raffle ticket, 1st prize, (Australia) one of the coolest raffles I've come across. 2023 Robinson R44 Raven II with Air Con valued at $960,000. But that's not all! This incredible prize package, with a total value of $1,245,500, also includes: Win a fuel card worth $100,000 Payment for 12 months of maintenance, valued at $50,000 12 months of insurance coverage (for non-licensed pilots), worth $50,000 Payment of 12 months of hangar fees, valued at $15,500 Private pilot licensing and training, worth $70,000 *WISH ME LUCK*
@@freedomfan4272 exactly. I have flown in more sketchy things than a new R66 in my years as in wooden frame fabric covered open cockpit craft as in Stearman, etc. Ya can't be skeered as the person who generated this comment.
We would disagree it produces Lead Pollution. The EPA in the US would not stand for that and the turbine R66 burns Jet A and it does not contain any led additives.
@@m3photo726 We're always entertained by the comments. And, to consider partial credit on the comment you may be referencing, if it was a 44 piston and not a 66 turbine, the fuel spec for the 44 is 100LL (Low Lead) and would not produce any more or less "lead pollution" per gallon/liter burned than any other piston aviation engine. We will fully agree with you, however. Appreciate the interest and support!
Re Tards……Robinson has the highest fatality record of any helicopter. I will stick with my Hughes 500D. Robinson owners are synonymous with FleshLight owners, you know, the type of person that could not get laid in a morgue lol
I was on the r44 two days ago. First helicopter I been on. Such a cool experience!
That craft is as smooth as glass isn't it.
..”IN”, not on…just saying.
@@m118lr it was risky dodging those blades! But I've made it! 😂
And you lived to tell
Nice helicopter ❤
Thanks! Hope you enjoyed the ride!
Nice views!, thanks for explain all the words and terms (BVI).👍
Most welcome, Angel and thanks for your interest in the upload and channel!
Thanks for the ride along
Glad you enjoyed it. Smooth operating aircraft and they get a lot of bad press by "the experts"
Destin Florida. I have 3000 hours fixed wing time. I still paid to take a ride two time during my week in Destin.
David, we agree. The turbine 66 is super smooth!!
Lovely Helicopter^^
Thank you and thanks for watching!!!
I started out wondering which Emerald Coast this was, then I saw the flip-flops - Florida!
Indeed Steve, FLA. Thanks for your view, interest and comment!
Love the video
not Crystal Beach which is on the West Coast of Florida
nonetheless what a beautiful helicopter
thanks for taking us along for the ride
This sure is the west coast of FLA. Where did you think that we were?
Choppers are cool 😎
Nice ship!!!
if i could afford tomainta\ina helicopter of this calibre i would be a very happy man,these are so cool,love flying
The R66 with the turbine engine is an amazing aircraft especially for the price. They do get some bad press, mostly pilot error issues.
You missed a perfectly good opportunity to include the turbine startup sound!
Had to Hustle around and move to another pad. But, I agree! We'll shoot another with startup!
Kool !! 🍺 😎 👍
Thanks 👍
How much does this helicopter cost?
William, new MSRP is @ 950k.
Can this helicopter be used for commerical purposes?
Yes, it can and it does.
How much price this chopper??
The R66 turbine are the most expensive as compared to the piston 44s. Expect to spend about a million dollars for a good low hour used one.
Robinson Helicopters are dangerous . Just ask the NZ Civil Aviation Authority . We recently had an inquest into their safety and the coroner found the
aircraft to be dangerous to fly in anything but calm weather .
They make up less than 40% of the fleet in NZ , but account for 52% of all fatal accidents involving helicopters .
The cause is thought to be mast bumping brought on by low-g conditions .
There have been 15 accidents since 2010 with 20 people killed . All caused by mast bumping . All involving Robinson aircraft .
Our CAA have issued warnings about the problems and advise that the aircraft should not be used in conditions of moderate or higher winds .
This applies to all R22 , R44 , and R66 models . and is taken very seriously around here .
A group of people led by one of our most famous pilots , "Choppy " Patterson Gardner have been asking for a ban on all Robinson aircraft until they are deemed totally safe .
Choppy Gardener is also the mother of the latest victom of these deathtraps .
She is also responsible for the first inflight camera's and data collection system in use in the industry in NZ .
It must be said that Robinson has been cooperating with NZCAA and TAIC , but dispute the findings .
We'll see where that leads .
Any accident is tragic, especially if there are fatalities. I’ve flown helicopters, many different types for over 30 years (ex-mil)…mast bumping is not a fault of the manufacture but of the pilot flying the helicopter. Do not want to offend or trash the deceased pilots, but if one’s flight control inputs are too abrupt for the aircraft, then horrible results often happen. I’ve never flown Robinson helo’s but have plenty of friends that do…and do so safely. Often times the problem is in the training not the actual manufacture/builder. May all those deceased Rest In Peace.
@@markweiss7715 Even Robinson themselves acknowledge that any low gravity event in their machines is almost certainly fatal .
Why are they the only manufacturer to ever say such a thing ?
The vast majority of pilots who have lost their lives in NZ were experienced operators , not Sunday joyriders and , most , if not all , would have faced
low gravity situations in their careers and dealt with it successfully .
But the Robinson is something different .
Many here blame the sensitivity and lack of forgiveness of the controls , most saying that you have less than a second to respond to a low gravity event and with
controls so sensitive , your first move could be your last .
If that is true , and I have no reason to doubt experienced accident investigators , why are they then safe to be sold to the leisure market , with so many doubts surrounding them , worldwide ? If anyone is endangered by these aircraft it is the private pilot ,with limited experience , who flies with his friends to go fishing on the weekends .
Any aircraft with an estimated 313 worldwide fatal accidents , with all blamed on mast bumping , but with 60% of them unexplained as to the cause of the event ,
must have reasons other than simply pilot error .
Certainly some must be error , as with other makes and models . But to have so many unexplainable accidents citing the same event means to me that these crashes are related and make specific .
As a side note , when the mother of one of the latest victims met the owner of Robinsons , He told her that his opinion was , because the pilot was young he probably said to his instructor "What will happen if I do this?"and pulled on the yoke ! Or words to that effect .
She is one of NZ's premier helicopter pilots and her son grew up flying with her .
Do you think he wouldn't know what "this" would do" ?
I truly don't have the answers , no one has any concrete reasons , but I will say that so many pilots , vastly experienced in our rugged terrain and flying conditions , have not survived this aircraft.
That is unacceptable .
RIP to all...
You can't a have a RUclips video about Robinsons without a New Zealander in the comments explaining for the 63rd time low g pushovers. Seriously, I challenge anyone to find a robby video without a kiwi in the comments.
@@jfeeble So what you're saying is that we have no right to our opinion ?
In every Robinson video there is a fanboy who trolls people who have lost friends to these bastard machines .
And why are there SO many video's about
these death traps ?
Are all the experts wrong ?
Are we supposed to ignore the fact that they have been involved in 50% of all fatal chopper crashes in our country , whilst making up less than 25% of our fleet ,
No , we shouldn't complain , we should just shut up and dribble . right ?
Why don't you add to the discussion ?
Or is trolling your only contribution ?
Partially true, but most robinson crashes/mast bumping crash had speeds more or near 100 Knots, that is upper limit of its performance & any two bladed system is susceptible to that. But yes, bell like two bladed system is safer.
Whats the cost for this helo
Check out the web site at Timberview Helicopters. Very inexpensive.
are all helicoptors airconditioned?
The Ribinsons are and most all luxury choppers today. The old Bells and Huey machines from Vietnam ear you might be familiar with are not.
@@classicperformance thanks. Ive been wanting to go on helicptor tour on a robinson. But i get a claustrophobic in small spaces, specially without airflow if it gets hot. So wanted know beforehand!
@@LookHere3 Make sure to sit in the front seat. Getting 'car sick' often happens in the back from restricted field of view.
👍👍👍👍
so you have chosen death?
and lived!!!
@@classicperformance i am genuinely glad to hear you have good experiences with them, and I really dont mean to be pessimistic but just a few days ago another one dropped out of the sky onto someone's front yard in my neighbouring city, fortunately nobody was killed
@@Invisus_Letum I do agree with you on the Robinson. If perfect weather and a well trained pilot, probably OK, but that is not always the case
As for “looks”..yeah, LOOKS good. They NEED to get rid of THAT ‘semi-rigid’ M/R system though..INNOVATE Robinson, make them SAFER! Started in R22’s THEN transitioned to REAL helos..Hughes/Schweizers: H269’s and the 300-series. Never looked back (Unless I HAD to..!)
Thanks for the interest and comments. I agree it's time for Robinson to launch some new innovation.
show
I just entered a raffle ticket, 1st prize, (Australia) one of the coolest raffles I've come across.
2023 Robinson R44 Raven II with Air Con valued at $960,000. But that's not all! This incredible prize package, with a total value of $1,245,500, also includes:
Win a fuel card worth $100,000
Payment for 12 months of maintenance, valued at $50,000
12 months of insurance coverage (for non-licensed pilots), worth $50,000
Payment of 12 months of hangar fees, valued at $15,500
Private pilot licensing and training, worth $70,000
*WISH ME LUCK*
Best of luck!!!! keep us posted!
…KIND OF ‘hard’ to believe THIS post..?
Esteticamente il Robinson non mi piace molto..... però per le performance è abbastanza buono ...
Siamo d'accordo. l'alto albero del rotore lo fa sembrare qualcosa dell'era degli anni '50 o '60
950k is a pricey coffin
They have an excellent safety rating. One of the best in the industry.
@@classicperformance 46 corpses say otherwise, don't fool yourself
@Zero Six do you own a vehicle and drive it??? Well I hate to tell you but people die in car accidentally more often than helIcopters NUMBNUTS😁
@@freedomfan4272 exactly. I have flown in more sketchy things than a new R66 in my years as in wooden frame fabric covered open cockpit craft as in Stearman, etc. Ya can't be skeered as the person who generated this comment.
@@freedomfan4272 i just said it was pricey, my coffin was only 40k LIMPDICK!
Not impressed at all. Space terribly small. And that cyclic ? So uncomfortable. To me. I’m 6.4. You know w I mean.
Guess you ain't buying one. What do you like to fly?
Robbie riders love their handlebar :)
It looks like a toy. Get a real Bell 505.
The Bell 505 costs 4-5x what this one costs.
It's a great toy!!!
True, that's what makes the R66 such a great machine!
Produces an extraordinary amount of lead pollution. Not good. And, a very dangerous helicopter.
We would disagree it produces Lead Pollution. The EPA in the US would not stand for that and the turbine R66 burns Jet A and it does not contain any led additives.
Don’t you just love the keyboard Wally who jumps in and offers three negative comments with absolutely no idea what they’re talking about?
@@m3photo726 We're always entertained by the comments. And, to consider partial credit on the comment you may be referencing, if it was a 44 piston and not a 66 turbine, the fuel spec for the 44 is 100LL (Low Lead) and would not produce any more or less "lead pollution" per gallon/liter burned than any other piston aviation engine. We will fully agree with you, however. Appreciate the interest and support!
@@m3photo726"wally" would not be my go-to descriptor...
NOPE
many say that and for some good reasons. We feel better in a R66 than an R44 gasser
Sure is a lot of Mast there for some good ol mast bumping!
You're not wrong there.
Re Tards……Robinson has the highest fatality record of any helicopter. I will stick with my Hughes 500D. Robinson owners are synonymous with FleshLight owners, you know, the type of person that could not get laid in a morgue lol
Might have to agree with you, and also, you are at a different price point with a similar 500.