Southwest Dutch Roll and Missed Approach Incident
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- It's been a tough couple of weeks for SWA, thankfully nobody's been hurt.
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He brought us in too low…..over macho grande. Over macho grande? Noooooo, afraid not, those wounds run pretttyyy deep
The KC-135 community did initial & recurrent dutch roll recovery training, and it had 10 degrees more wing sweep. Then Moebetta Command nixed it. The training was eye opening. You touch the rudders and it went crazy. The dutch roll was resolved with specific, well timed aileron inputs.
James Albright in one of his books talks about the difficulties new pilots had with Dutch roll in 135 training. He had read about how to counter it though and had no problem.
Very well said and decent comments on the 737Max by Mover.
Hand flown go around: press TOGA, do NOT pull back on the column… the nose will come up on her own, give her four seconds of nose down trim. Set your attitude. Breathe - flaps - gear - 400’ LNAV - 1,000’ accel.
Space Balls reference in the morning....😂😂😂
My friend sends all the airline incident news in our chat group. Given how much I fly, I'd probably be a basket case if I took all the news to heart. I do have to say I can sleep through bad weather in a Skybus, but tend to be more alert if it's a 737. Fortunately, I'm on an A320/321 most of the time. Just stay belted in the entire time and knock on the plane door before entering.
Hey, I do that too! Every time I board, I give the jet a friendly little pat. :)
United 585 was a 200 model 737 who was on final to COS from Denver. wind rotors were coming off the mountains close to CO Springs and one hit the 37 on final and caused part of the problem
The classic rudder PAC had been redesigned and put into the NG to prevent the hardover at lower speeds.
Go around is the hardest training event, and two engine is harder than one engine. Too many things to do too quickly. This should be trained to the level of muscle memory, not just as a procedure. And because they are a handful, people avoid doing them and don’t go around when they should.
Need more hand flying in the 121 world.
These things wouldn't happen if they had a flight engineer in the cockpit. :p
LOL!
I believe they were trying to land RY21 at LIH. We have lots of missed approaches on that runway in bad WX. It has RNAV & an offset VOR/DME. It's pronounced Leehoo ay...
Would love to see an identifier of your third-party guest, (today is Skip [?]} who joins you on your shows. A short Intro in the description box (along with your bios) would be nice. Manny here may know him/her but can often be a mystery to your viewers.
Yaw Damper issue?
I was under the impression that they believe the damage caused the Dutch roll, not the other way around.
Really if Boeing had found this in flight testing the MAX would they have told anyone?
They knew about the rudder hard over and did nothing because it was going to cost too much to fix the problem so they sat back and crossed their fingers.
I'm sure I remember that the mighty Nimrod exhibited this; it certainly made me throw up the only times I flew in one more than any other aircraft.
The Max seems cursed at this point. What are they doing over at Boeing? The Boeing Starliner is another disaster program, $1.5bn over budget with the craft literally stuck in space. Seems like the bean counting and poor management is leading to QC issues (and dead whistle blowers).
Boeing : What is auto trim 😵💫
787 and 777 have entered the chat.
Is it nice, fun, enjoyable, and better to fly the Boeing 737 manually or is it better with the autopilot? I mean is one safer than the other? I also know that question, for other airline category aircraft are most likely different possibly similar. I know for the corporate & private version/variants of these aircraft can also be similar or potentially different. I was just wanting to learn something new to add to my aviation knowledge.
The Navy has an aircraft with 4 CFM56 engines and it's over engined. The outboards almost never go beyond 76%, the inboards are at a percentage of 100% based on of runway length, temperature, altitude and aircraft weight, about 92% (gouge). They can build fighter aircraft that are inherently unstable and control it with computers. What's the "big deal" Boeing, why not the 737 Max?
My question as well and I'm sure the list is growing.
Not a Pilot but curious just what percentage of Computer integration is installed on these planes.
I think the difference is that the aircraft you describe were designed with those engines and the dimensions of the airplane in mind.
The max was designed to be a much shorter smaller lighter plane with less power but has evolved into this "monster".
Another difference is that they've tried to make the max feel like the older, smaller 737s because they wanted to keep the same type rating, which allowed the pilots not to be re-type trained.
Making the max feel like the older planes was the whole point of mcas. If they had done away with that and gave the pilot's full type training on the max it would have simplified things but costs a whole lot more to train the pilots.
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Algorithmic engagement comment.
Do you post this on literally every video?
@@harveywallbanger3123thats the point
@@harveywallbanger3123Do you have any clue how the algorithm for spreading videos on YT works?
@@KainsAddiction I get WHY he's doing it, slowbro, I'm asking why doing so is worth the time and effort of a grown adult man.
I love it!
Mhmm yup, yea…yup
MDA must do arithmetic.
Mark my words, after the election things at Boeing will magically go back to normal...
Kauai
Given that there was structural damage where the rudder PCUs mount, either one of the PCUs locked or was fighting the other. It's also possible that the pilots caused the damage or contributed to it while fighting the dutch roll. DFDR should shed some light on the situation. It's scary stuff, though. I doubt it's a fleet-wide issue.
I find it stupid what Boeing has tried to do the 737. They stopped production on the high capacity narrow body 757 (Boeing's best flying plane ever) and then after seeing a need for another high capacity narrow body just like the 757, they basterized the 737 into the niche that the 757 used to fill.
Elon Musk says the CEO of Boeing should be an engineer instead of an accountant. I agree for all manufacturers of any high tech product.
Hi,
Actually Boeing WAS run by engineers until it was bought by McDonnell Douglas who WERE run by accountants.
Cheers
Shareholders want profits, simple as that.
My wife is terrified of flying to start with. I always tell her she is being unreasonable and to calm down. I now find myself wondering if she may be right after all. The more I hear about the 737 max the less I like it. Seeing Boeings arrogant CEO in front of congress didn’t do much to change my mind.
Well IF she's right it's not because she knows what she's talking about it lol. So she'd be right by accident.
Boeing, more diversity than a year ago and less ability to build what they did 50 years ago.
Diversity has nothing to do with it.
@@TC2290-wh5cb When you place diversity over qualifications it does.