This is one of those episodes where I was *sure* it was going to be an unrecoverable stall into a crash. Once again, my hats off to Green Dot for the incredibly scripting. It really helps keep things engaging for the whole video.
I felt the same too! The only thing that made me feel it didn't become fatal was that I was 12 in the UK in 2007 and definitely would have remembered it if it were a big crash. Thankfully it wasn't
this video has it all - a glitch that causes something important to disconnect by itself randomly - a system that doesn't provide sufficient warning when it does get disconnected - a manual with a "oh by the way" note from the manufacturer and a contradiction to that note by the airline - pilots that don't notice something has gone wrong until way too late it really is amazing that no one got hurt or killed
Forget the AT malfunction, but as the autopilot has disconnected and the trimming wheels kept their automatically set position, why didn't they start to trim the dаmn plane down?
You're right - an unholy concoction involving a plane doing as it pleases , pilots not on their game ( monitoring and if it's a case of throttle overpowering elevators why take so long to ease off on the throttles?) and a Company that hasn't bothered to copy critical elements of the Manufacturer's information! Welcome aboard...
A "bug" that happens in one out of 200 flights is very concerning, especially when there is only a small blinking light to alert the pilot about it. Thank god the captain managed to save the plane just in time.
@@stephenholland5930decaying airspeed during an approach where the plane slows down anyway is an easy thing to miss i think. Then having to go through the checklists, switching around all sorts of things that blink... it would be easy to miss one blinking light while being in a high workload situation, compounded by being in IMC. Part of it might also be routine, the sound of the engines would not have alerted them either, since they were slowing down. It's a good thing that there's now more of a warning to the pilots when the autothrottles disconnect.
Currently freaking out over what will probably be the most important interview of my life tomorrow. Your upload came just at the right time to take my mind off things for a while. Thank you GreenDot❤❤
I went to an interview for an amazing new job. They told me they were looking for someone responsible! I told them I was perfect for the job, whenever anything went wrong at my old job I was always told I was responsible.
You had me on the edge of my seat when the plane started turning at the top of a stall! I'm a private pilot and I know how spins happen. Spinning a 737 at 2000 ft is a horrific way to die. That captain followed his training and it almost killed everyone, I'm so glad he figured it out!
Yes, but the thing that I’m most incredulous with and as a private pilot like me you will know is that as soon as you make a power change or flaps etc and as you start to feel hard pressure on the yoke forward or back your first trained instinct is to trim in that direction. It’s funny with both pushing they never thought for a minute to check what the elevator trim was doing.
@@malcolmwhite6588 This is a cessna specific think - the 172, 182 etc pitches up sharply with full flaps on a go around. However if you train on a piper the behavior is quite different. Their entire training from ppl to atpl and beyond may have been on aircraft where this didnt happen until it did!
My gosh… It’s even more terrifying how incredibly low they were for something like that to happen. Yeeeesh that was a close save… I wonder if the passengers ever found out how close they came to death.
Yeah, the spin at that low altitude is incredibly dangerous. If it happend much higher they would've gotten enough time to get the nose down and gain airspeed, but at 2000 ft?
I agree, although I think it'd be very difficult to top the MH370 video because that flight is probably the most intriguing aviation incident ever... would have to find a very very interesting flight to top it
Hey Green Dot, 737 pilot here with a couple of pointers. Flap 40 isn't that uncommon, it might be different with different operators but I use flap 40 on most days especially with the MAX as it's a bit heavier and many busy airports require minimum runway occupancy so you want to be aw slow as you can to vacate at the first available exit. There also other reasons, in this case I suspect they used flap 40 because the pitch angle gives you slightly better visibility or the runway lights and with low ceiling every little bit helps. Also the A/T disconnect light in the NG and the MAX is still only a flashing red light and there's no sound associated with it.
Hey capt! Wouldn't it be better to have a sound alarm? Or is it not really important? Is it a common occurrence such as that one on the video that you don't realize it had been disconnected? Thanks btw! Fly safe
Why didn't they trim? They have trim switches right on the yoke within finger reach. No need to reach up and manually trim like on on a little Cessna, don't even need to take a hand off the yoke. Not a lotta work to take off the excess NU trim.
@@Larry-mk9ry my question exactly! I'm not a pilot but I have been led to think that trimming is an automatic response from experienced pilots. I'm sure the situation unfolded quickly but like you stated, the trim is right there
@@santiagoalvarez7536 a light is enough for the AT in my opinion, especially because it's right in front of your face and you can't really miss it. It's annoying as fuck when you're slowing down and putting flaps out it always flashes amber because it flashes when the speed is +10 or -5 kts from the selected speed and while slowing down especially in the max it takes time to slow down to the commanded speed
Watching these aviation channels have renewed appreciation for pilots airmanship..this is such a technical job and even with all the skills and intense training, high pressure situations can put the best to test..
Thank goodness everyone survived. My heart was in mouth when you narrated the stall phase of the flight. Experience really matters, kudos to the captain 🙌
I'm amazed that not jamming the trim pickle forward wasn't one of the first reactions after pushing the yoke forward with little result. That may have overcome the engine thrust issues.
What an incredible save, well done to the pilots for getting the plane back out of the stall, saving themselves and their passengers and crew. You learn more from failure and mistakes than you do from succeeding.
Such a well made video. I teach people to fly these things and was almost yelling “trim” at the screen! Nose down trim would have helped their recovery.
Doing the full recovery from a stall rather than a go around at stick shaker activation would have helped too! Oh, and monitoring and scanning all the instruments would have been the best course of action in the first place!!!
Yeah I'm weirded out at how many pilots don't throttle up and trim when they get a stall warning? There's one case in these videos where a pilot throttled down and went nose up at a stall warning, dooming them. Utterly baffling. Do pilots just not know how to fly anymore, beyond engaging the autopilot systems?
When I’m flying the 737-800 I often find that the auto throttle disconnect is easily missed as it’s tucked away under the glare shield chassis and the light flashing isn’t very noticeable in its location. Nor does the audio warning become apparent amongst the other sounds of the cabin. And that’s in a newer model of aircraft. They are very lucky to have survived this incident. I seriously anticipated this outcome as a fatality due to the low altitude stall. Good thinking on the captains part.
Yes, but don’t you think not checking the electric trim and or activating trim downwards was a cock up I have only flown Cessnas but the first thing whenever you make some sort of a power flap change etc is to re-trim. I’m surprised they both pushed full forward and didn’t think of that - as a 737 jockey yourself am I wrong to think that ?- would you Think of that?
I’ve watched enough cockpit videos during landings to have become very familiar with the recorded voice announcing AGL altitude. I do not understand why the designers wouldn’t employ such announcements for other critical systems during certain phases of flight. “Auto throttle disconnected” over headphones could certainly be better than just a flashing warning on the I.P.
It was far from ‘truly remarkable’ and certainly not a ‘great job’. The captain made a complete hash of the approach, did not do the stall recovery at the first signs of a stall - stick shaker (he did a go-around), he put full thrust on and got a huge nose up attitude and FAILED to trim forward, thus ran out of elevator authority causing an unbelievably high nose up attitude and then full stall. He was LUCKY that the wing drop lowered the nose and he pulled a couple of G recovering from the dive. He then did a second approach, landed, didn’t fill in an air safety report, didn’t tell anyone, including the engineers about the stall and large G which had structural implications and went home. The full report is here assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422eab5e5274a131700001f/3-2009_G-THOF.pdf
@@GreenDotAviation I got an idea for you: to minimize the workloads on you while uploading as much videos as possible, upload one major known accident and two less known incidents in a lateral period of time
Was binging your old vids for like the 5th time this morning wondering when a new one would come. Finally did :) Hope your flight training is going well
🥳🤯🥳 A GreenDot video!! This makes me so happy in a rough time, thank you! I was telling my father about your channel, who is now a fan, and he said he would love to see you do the Mt Erebus disaster. Air New Zealand tried to cover up some crucial info back then, very interesting stuff. Looking forward to more content and I hope you are doing well in your training!
ANZ 901 is rarely done proper justice. After 45 years there's still an ongoing debate that absolutely no one has resolved fully. At least to my satisfaction. If you take it on, good luck. The Mahon report has spawned much misinformation.
Being a Kiwi I second Air New Zealand Flight 901 (TE901) - known as the Mount Erebus disaster. Even today most of the wreckage still lies there the day it crashed, under snow and ice.
I have never been in a flight since i have claustrophobia and severe anxiety. But i keep learning about aircrafts and your channel makes it easier to learn. Keep up with a good work! ☝️☝️
I have flown plenty since I was a small child, but I have always been a white knuckler. My ears used to give me excruciating pain on descent too, so that never helped with my preflight anxiety. Even with an uncle and aunt being a captain and flight attendant, I still was terrified. And always so stressed out before and during the flight. Then, when I was about 45, I had to start taking a beta blocker for my heart that beat like a hummingbird’s all my life. Now, when I fly, I know I don’t like it. I know am not at all comfortable, but I am very chill and kind of normal. Worked wonders for me, but it does make me, who was once always on the go with a perfectly clean house, quite lazy. But that’s a small price to pay for no longer being high strung and having terrible anxiety. I do still worry about lots of things, but not to the point of becoming ill if I hear a siren and my son is out and hasn’t replied to my text. I hope you can find a way to overcome your anxiety, because travelling and seeing new places and people and experiencing other cultures is such an amazing thing. Cheers from 🇨🇦
I hope you will be able to fly someday. I was really scared of flying, had regular nightmares about being on a crashing plane but when I flew for the first time at 19 I really enjoyed it. Maybe see if you can get some anxiety meds from your doctor, I was given some for the flight and it stopped me from panicking.
ive been binging your videos for a while now and the effort put into these videos is just undeniable. everything is researched and explained in a detailed yet concise way and the storytelling always has me sitting on the edge of my seat. keep it up :)
I’m love watching your videos and how much information you spread about these Plane errors. I have watched every single video of yours and they are so descriptive for each one of them. Thanks Green Dot!🎉🎉
At 12:47 where you describe the air as feeling thick to the wings due to how fast the plane is moving - that was a really great visual for me. I wrestle with the science of aerodynamics (especially when we talk about the air going over the top of the wing) and your description here resonated with my brain. Thanks for that.
I like this guy's accent, it is somehow soothing, while holding your attention, but Mentour's ridiculous pseudo-american/european accent really jars my senses, so I will stick with Green Dot! Agree they do both have good content though.
Reminder to self to like every GreenDotAvi vid and comment for the algorithm gods… Been binge watching this channel for like 4hrs straight. The animations, detailed information and your narration is honestly much better than bigger productions. The one about those two pilots flying that UPS cargo plane with a lithium battery fire really got me right in the feels. I definitely have a new appreciation for battery safety. As sad as it was it’s sort of impressive how long that plane was able to contain the fire, away from the cockpit. The determination and focus of that first officer really was amazing. He never stopped fighting.
What did I learn: - High thrust pitches the nose up. - A too high pitch upward decelerates the plane horizontally, causing a pre-stall. - Trimming can counteract a nose up/down. - Flaps are required at slow speeds to keep the airflow. - When pre-stalling nose up, don't bank too much. - During pre-stall and stall you will lose altitude. - Never let the speed drop below minimum requirement of the plane or you *will* get a stall. Edit: - Don't trust in Auto-throttle too much and be ready to manually apply thrust asap, as soon speed drops. Did I miss something only a trained pilot knows?
From seeing a bunch of glider pilots and the saves they have been able to pull off with propelled and unpropelled planes, airspeed is king. Its what keeps you alive gliders are much MUCH more vigilant of this because if you stall low enough to the ground you simply dont recover as you dont have throttle. I feel under high workloads and or high stress comercial airliners involved in accidents dont scan often enough for perilously low airspeed. If they did theyd immediately react with throttle instead of pitch up as sometimes its been seen.
Yeah, I'm used to sim flying fighter jets and those don't have auto throttle. A Hotas approach seems to be the best method to not get carried away. Also I don't get it why so many Civilian airliner don't have a hud which displays airspeed, bank angle etc. like in a F16.
I remember that night well... I live on a hill on the flightpath about 5 miles from the airport. I was asleep in bed when the deafening roar of jet engines woke me up (I don't usually hear them as they are on idle at about 2000 feet) I've never heard anything like it... makes me wonder how close to the ground that plane was and how close I came to being included in the potential disaster!
I did this 3 weeks ago. I looked outside and was sure those flaps were in the wrong settings. I wanted to convey my worries to the captain but nobody cared
Good lord, I cannot imagine how traumatizing that must have been for the passengers and the crew!! Thank you for sharing another excellently produced video. Cheers from Canada!
The nasty habit of the B737 pitching up with full power out of stalls was even worse with the new MAX models leading to a computerized system needed (MCAS) that made things worse sometimes.
In the end though they did the stall tests and concluded the stall and recovery characteristics were acceptable and the MCAS was really not needed. That was sad.😢
I've noticed that on flights where it ends in death, the captain and copilot's names are always mentioned, whereas in non-fatal flights, the names are not mentioned. So this is somewhat of an indicator of how the flight would end.
it freaks me out that I was on this exact plane flying into this airport about a month before the incident, yet I didn't here about it for 18 years afterwards.
Greendot, you had me on the edge of my seat. I literally yelled, "NO" when you mentioned the inevitable stall. I'd hadn't heard of this incident but what an important update to come out of this flight. Thanks for another great upload 💯 ❤
I like that these kind've videos pop up within the week I'm due to fly. Maybe they're always there, maybe I just notice them more because I know I have a flight coming up.
What I find even more concerning is that this happened at night, with a dimly lit flight deck, and even in the dim light, they did not notice the warning light. So just imagine how much easier it would be to miss it in broad daylight with the flight deck brightly lit by the sun. Very surprising the system did not have an audible warning. That crew were very lucky to recover from that stall at such a low altitude, especially with the aircraft banking over. Thankfully for all aboard the captain finally got his brain in order just in time.
Just a single, tiny flashing light does not seem enough to me for a major automation component of the aircraft disconnecting. Don’t really get why there is no aural warning for autothrottle disconnecting.
@@99domini99 I don't get this either. The 777 sounds the master caution, "BLEET BLEET BLEET BLEET", and announces in yellow "AUTOTHROTTLE DISC" on the EICAS. It stays there (and the master caution button right in front of them remains lit yellow) until you hit the caution reset switch. I don't understand why Boeing wouldn't replicate this behaviour onto the newer generation 737s, built after the 777.
Perfect timing , just settled into bed and these amazing videos strangely send me off to sleep. Horrifying content but soothing voice 🤣 I love this channel.
Its so strange hearing that applying full thrust actually made it worse, I mean I'm not like a pilot or anything but I fly sims a lot, and whenever near stalling or anything, I've always thought its full thrust, nose down, but thinking about it, it makes sense
2:04 ''Btw I have a plot twist- I'm a psychologist again 😂'' ''No way'' That was the most British thing about therapy I've heard in my life full of Charlie Foxtrots 😂😂😂😂😂
@@julien_lemur2302 may I ask you a question: how is it that shoving the throttle to maximum power is warned against by Boeing (apart from this incident)? Isn't that how to perform a go-around??
@@HD_555 obviously im no pilot and i lack adequate knowledge about this but i reckon it could be something situational, i know shoving the toga leavers to max power might make the plane pitch up very aggressively and it might cause stall
When it comes to planes, 1 out of 200 in my book qualifies as "Notoriously Unrealiable". Shame on Boeing for selling crappy planes. Praise to both pilots for remarkable airmanship.
@@TheAviationGuyID - Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Here let me help you: 1. "How did this happen?" (a reiteration of the video's headline, used in derision and to lead to next thought). 2. Boeing. (single word statement used to highlight Boeing's numerous issues with the 737). 3. Everything they make is sh't (Boeing's current air/spacecraft have proven to be unreliable - to the point where the public actually believes two whistleblowers were killed to silence them). Yes, I watched the video and yes, I know what caused the accident. My comment was made to highlight the company's current plight. I think I might be able to make it simpler for you, can I borrow your crayons?
Also BOH is a very common airport to conduct a F40 approach, in fact I opt to use F40 occasionally in Manchester and other larger airports in order to vacate the runway at a certain point.
With that much pressure on the elevators one would have thought it was basic flying skill to unload them with the stab trim. What was a simple fix never occurred to them. Quite incredible.
This may be pretty basic, but your explanation at 12:43 of what is actually happening to the air molecules at high speed was super interesting. Never thought of it that way. Thanks!
How do you manage to make the production value on these higher every single time? Every time I think you've reached the peak of the air disaster format you take it a little step farther. Your attention to detail is astounding, and the way you tell these stories is really engaging. 11/10, would binge all the videos on this channel for a third time.
Yes! Finally! A happy ending to a super scary event lol... whew... even i, from the safety of my bed, was biting my nails in anxious wonder over the fate of this flight. Im glad they got it back under control and ultimately landed safely without incident. Also, real quick, i can totally see, out of fear and adrenaline, stiffening up in such event and accidentally mashing the pedal and unkowingly ruddering out of control. Im guessing it was the less experienced pilot, and i do hope he dropped that side effect upon touchdown of the flight. Or at least before he ever piloted another plane in the future. Very scary... your work is amazing, GDA. Thank you for these fantastic and informative videos.
17:40 Why does the Captain (or FO) not trim the stabilizer nose down immediately, this is instinctive for pilots hand-flying, more so when all nose down elevator authority has been completely lost? Also, at 19:30 the analog IAS dial is showing around 170 knots while the speed tape on the PFD shows 98 knots with a positive trend.
“Flaps 40 is only used for short runways”. Totally Incorrect. It’s also used for a better runway environment visual acquisition at decision altitude when the weather is poor. Not an unusual decision at all, a good one.
I actually live in Bournemouth and can see the airport from the end of my road. I probably flew on this plane as I flew with Thomson many times to and from Spain during this period. Thankfully I wasn’t on this flight. Thanks for making me aware of this flight as I never knew about it.
I'm baffled as to why Boeing did not provide an audio alert for the A/T disconnect. And I see from a current 737s pilot comment below that this is the case even on the Frankken mutant plane that is the Max. What is the human factors reasoning for this? What does it cost to give the pilots a 2 second beep-beep + flashing light for A/T disconnect?
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This is one of those episodes where I was *sure* it was going to be an unrecoverable stall into a crash. Once again, my hats off to Green Dot for the incredibly scripting. It really helps keep things engaging for the whole video.
True that
You can usually tell if the accident is fatal or not from whether or not black box audio is used
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I felt the same too! The only thing that made me feel it didn't become fatal was that I was 12 in the UK in 2007 and definitely would have remembered it if it were a big crash. Thankfully it wasn't
Spoilerrrrr
this video has it all
- a glitch that causes something important to disconnect by itself randomly
- a system that doesn't provide sufficient warning when it does get disconnected
- a manual with a "oh by the way" note from the manufacturer and a contradiction to that note by the airline
- pilots that don't notice something has gone wrong until way too late
it really is amazing that no one got hurt or killed
Forget the AT malfunction, but as the autopilot has disconnected and the trimming wheels kept their automatically set position, why didn't they start to trim the dаmn plane down?
@@ofacid3439 "trim is for losers" -these pilots apparently
@@ofacid3439 "why didn't they start to trim the dаmn plane down" -> As I remember Boeing fixed this bug with MCAS. 😅
You're right - an unholy concoction involving a plane doing as it pleases , pilots not on their game ( monitoring and if it's a case of throttle overpowering elevators why take so long to ease off on the throttles?) and a Company that hasn't bothered to copy critical elements of the Manufacturer's information! Welcome aboard...
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A "bug" that happens in one out of 200 flights is very concerning, especially when there is only a small blinking light to alert the pilot about it. Thank god the captain managed to save the plane just in time.
He didn't do proper monitoring on the approach as he didn't notice the decaying airspeed, due to the disconnected autothrottle.
@@stephenholland5930decaying airspeed during an approach where the plane slows down anyway is an easy thing to miss i think. Then having to go through the checklists, switching around all sorts of things that blink... it would be easy to miss one blinking light while being in a high workload situation, compounded by being in IMC. Part of it might also be routine, the sound of the engines would not have alerted them either, since they were slowing down. It's a good thing that there's now more of a warning to the pilots when the autothrottles disconnect.
Zero visibility both outside and inside.
Exactly. On final approach you're expecting the airspeed to decline, unlike almost every other phase of flight @@timecode37
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Currently freaking out over what will probably be the most important interview of my life tomorrow. Your upload came just at the right time to take my mind off things for a while. Thank you GreenDot❤❤
Best of luck! ✈️✈️
Best of luck !
Good luck!!
I went to an interview for an amazing new job.
They told me they were looking for someone responsible!
I told them I was perfect for the job, whenever anything went wrong at my old job I was always told I was responsible.
Great luck!
You had me on the edge of my seat when the plane started turning at the top of a stall!
I'm a private pilot and I know how spins happen. Spinning a 737 at 2000 ft is a horrific way to die.
That captain followed his training and it almost killed everyone, I'm so glad he figured it out!
Yes, but the thing that I’m most incredulous with and as a private pilot like me you will know is that as soon as you make a power change or flaps etc and as you start to feel hard pressure on the yoke forward or back your first trained instinct is to trim in that direction. It’s funny with both pushing they never thought for a minute to check what the elevator trim was doing.
@@malcolmwhite6588 This is a cessna specific think - the 172, 182 etc pitches up sharply with full flaps on a go around. However if you train on a piper the behavior is quite different. Their entire training from ppl to atpl and beyond may have been on aircraft where this didnt happen until it did!
My gosh… It’s even more terrifying how incredibly low they were for something like that to happen. Yeeeesh that was a close save… I wonder if the passengers ever found out how close they came to death.
Yeah, the spin at that low altitude is incredibly dangerous.
If it happend much higher they would've gotten enough time to get the nose down and gain airspeed, but at 2000 ft?
Need another hour long video. Last one was a work of art. Was like watching a brilliant movie.
I agree, although I think it'd be very difficult to top the MH370 video because that flight is probably the most intriguing aviation incident ever... would have to find a very very interesting flight to top it
Second that, the MH370 story is a masterpiece, I watched it 3 times already
From the way the opera ad started roasting Boeing I really thought I would hear “Unlike the 737 Max, Opera is really good at keeping your windows”
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Hey Green Dot, 737 pilot here with a couple of pointers.
Flap 40 isn't that uncommon, it might be different with different operators but I use flap 40 on most days especially with the MAX as it's a bit heavier and many busy airports require minimum runway occupancy so you want to be aw slow as you can to vacate at the first available exit. There also other reasons, in this case I suspect they used flap 40 because the pitch angle gives you slightly better visibility or the runway lights and with low ceiling every little bit helps.
Also the A/T disconnect light in the NG and the MAX is still only a flashing red light and there's no sound associated with it.
Hey capt! Wouldn't it be better to have a sound alarm? Or is it not really important?
Is it a common occurrence such as that one on the video that you don't realize it had been disconnected?
Thanks btw! Fly safe
Why didn't they trim? They have trim switches right on the yoke within finger reach. No need to reach up and manually trim like on on a little Cessna, don't even need to take a hand off the yoke. Not a lotta work to take off the excess NU trim.
@@Larry-mk9ry my question exactly! I'm not a pilot but I have been led to think that trimming is an automatic response from experienced pilots. I'm sure the situation unfolded quickly but like you stated, the trim is right there
737 pilot seems stumped by the responses. Probably because he's only a 737 flight sim pilot :-)
@@santiagoalvarez7536 a light is enough for the AT in my opinion, especially because it's right in front of your face and you can't really miss it. It's annoying as fuck when you're slowing down and putting flaps out it always flashes amber because it flashes when the speed is +10 or -5 kts from the selected speed and while slowing down especially in the max it takes time to slow down to the commanded speed
Watching these aviation channels have renewed appreciation for pilots airmanship..this is such a technical job and even with all the skills and intense training, high pressure situations can put the best to test..
I’m so glad I found this channel. I have watched every single video now
Mentourpilot is another good channel
same lol
How good is this channel! Every video is excellent 👌
That's good, But you should also focus on developing your skills in your leisure time rather than just binge watch RUclips videos.
@davidoff59 just my personal opinion but Mentor is a little too much for me. I prefer GreenDot's voice and simulation style
Thank goodness everyone survived. My heart was in mouth when you narrated the stall phase of the flight.
Experience really matters, kudos to the captain 🙌
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@@internet_userraren't you glad though?
@@ytlurker220 Glad that I don't have to watch the whole video anymore? Sure
@@internet_userrthanks kinda you’re own fault for knowingly checking the comments lol.
@@internet_userryeah lol what did u expect
I'm amazed that not jamming the trim pickle forward wasn't one of the first reactions after pushing the yoke forward with little result.
That may have overcome the engine thrust issues.
I got an ad for TUI half way through this video… not sure how to feel about that, haha. Excellent documentary as always!
Lol, I had the same!
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TUI is a very safe airline, their standards are set very very high for pilots.
@@WalkerBYTJust not on this flight?
What an incredible save, well done to the pilots for getting the plane back out of the stall, saving themselves and their passengers and crew. You learn more from failure and mistakes than you do from succeeding.
i like how he always reminds us every 3 minutes, that the passengers are in grave danger or are about to be in grave danger
Jsyk Green Dot Aviation is a woman
Nfw
@@alexkay3448no that is the other channel. i get them confused too haha
> grave danger
"Is there another kind?"
What's the name of the other channel?
@@watermelon520b
Such a well made video. I teach people to fly these things and was almost yelling “trim” at the screen! Nose down trim would have helped their recovery.
Doing the full recovery from a stall rather than a go around at stick shaker activation would have helped too! Oh, and monitoring and scanning all the instruments would have been the best course of action in the first place!!!
Yeah I'm weirded out at how many pilots don't throttle up and trim when they get a stall warning? There's one case in these videos where a pilot throttled down and went nose up at a stall warning, dooming them. Utterly baffling.
Do pilots just not know how to fly anymore, beyond engaging the autopilot systems?
i was on two flights today, i normally watch these as soon as they drop but i waited to land and get home before watching 😂
same here hahahah
Same
You people are weird masochists
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I went back and watched the ad because of this comment 😂
@@BleachCowboy2016 haha sorry I made that up, I probably should have said that
@@SWISS-1337 lol At least it's true statement. "Probably shouldn't have used quotation marks since you're just quoting yourself in real time".
It was 737
When I’m flying the 737-800 I often find that the auto throttle disconnect is easily missed as it’s tucked away under the glare shield chassis and the light flashing isn’t very noticeable in its location. Nor does the audio warning become apparent amongst the other sounds of the cabin. And that’s in a newer model of aircraft. They are very lucky to have survived this incident. I seriously anticipated this outcome as a fatality due to the low altitude stall. Good thinking on the captains part.
I might have thought so too, except I am almost sure there had never been a Thomson Fly fatality before.
Yes, but don’t you think not checking the electric trim and or activating trim downwards was a cock up I have only flown Cessnas but the first thing whenever you make some sort of a power flap change etc is to re-trim. I’m surprised they both pushed full forward and didn’t think of that - as a 737 jockey yourself am I wrong to think that ?- would you Think of that?
Let me have a whip in it
I’ve watched enough cockpit videos during landings to have become very familiar with the recorded voice announcing AGL altitude. I do not understand why the designers wouldn’t employ such announcements for other critical systems during certain phases of flight. “Auto throttle disconnected” over headphones could certainly be better than just a flashing warning on the I.P.
@user-eb6bw5jn1y the fuck bro
The Captain's recovery of a stalled aircraft at that altitude was truly remarkable, what a great job! And a great job by you covering it.
It was far from ‘truly remarkable’ and certainly not a ‘great job’. The captain made a complete hash of the approach, did not do the stall recovery at the first signs of a stall - stick shaker (he did a go-around), he put full thrust on and got a huge nose up attitude and FAILED to trim forward, thus ran out of elevator authority causing an unbelievably high nose up attitude and then full stall. He was LUCKY that the wing drop lowered the nose and he pulled a couple of G recovering from the dive. He then did a second approach, landed, didn’t fill in an air safety report, didn’t tell anyone, including the engineers about the stall and large G which had structural implications and went home. The full report is here assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422eab5e5274a131700001f/3-2009_G-THOF.pdf
it takes long but its worth the time as its good!
Glad you're liking them!
@@GreenDotAviation your welcome
I'm going to keep this on my playlist for my nightshift tonight.Thanks friend.Great Channel and brilliant visuals.
Mr Green Dot, you really have a talent for storytelling. Pretty much every time I watch one of your videos, I am on the edge of my seat! Bravo!
A new video already?? Im so happy
Nothing, but quality and hardwork.
Nice I don't think I've heard of this one yet
I'm trying to cover some lesser-known incidents!
@@GreenDotAviation I got an idea for you: to minimize the workloads on you while uploading as much videos as possible, upload one major known accident and two less known incidents in a lateral period of time
@@GreenDotAviationtry doing bek air, its very hard to find info on it, it was a recent crash in 2015 or 2016
@@asi4112015 was 9 years ago.... 😭
Was binging your old vids for like the 5th time this morning wondering when a new one would come. Finally did :)
Hope your flight training is going well
Glad you're enjoying them 😁 Flight training is going well, thank you
🥳🤯🥳 A GreenDot video!! This makes me so happy in a rough time, thank you!
I was telling my father about your channel, who is now a fan, and he said he would love to see you do the Mt Erebus disaster. Air New Zealand tried to cover up some crucial info back then, very interesting stuff. Looking forward to more content and I hope you are doing well in your training!
ANZ 901 is rarely done proper justice. After 45 years there's still an ongoing debate that absolutely no one has resolved fully. At least to my satisfaction. If you take it on, good luck. The Mahon report has spawned much misinformation.
Being a Kiwi I second Air New Zealand Flight 901 (TE901) - known as the Mount Erebus disaster. Even today most of the wreckage still lies there the day it crashed, under snow and ice.
@@Zebisnz But no one ever does this crash correctly. So not holding my breath.
I have never been in a flight since i have claustrophobia and severe anxiety. But i keep learning about aircrafts and your channel makes it easier to learn. Keep up with a good work! ☝️☝️
I have flown plenty since I was a small child, but I have always been a white knuckler. My ears used to give me excruciating pain on descent too, so that never helped with my preflight anxiety. Even with an uncle and aunt being a captain and flight attendant, I still was terrified. And always so stressed out before and during the flight. Then, when I was about 45, I had to start taking a beta blocker for my heart that beat like a hummingbird’s all my life. Now, when I fly, I know I don’t like it. I know am not at all comfortable, but I am very chill and kind of normal. Worked wonders for me, but it does make me, who was once always on the go with a perfectly clean house, quite lazy. But that’s a small price to pay for no longer being high strung and having terrible anxiety. I do still worry about lots of things, but not to the point of becoming ill if I hear a siren and my son is out and hasn’t replied to my text. I hope you can find a way to overcome your anxiety, because travelling and seeing new places and people and experiencing other cultures is such an amazing thing. Cheers from 🇨🇦
I hope you will be able to fly someday. I was really scared of flying, had regular nightmares about being on a crashing plane but when I flew for the first time at 19 I really enjoyed it. Maybe see if you can get some anxiety meds from your doctor, I was given some for the flight and it stopped me from panicking.
I keep watching your video repeatdly while breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Standing ovation to you 🙏
Love from India
ive been binging your videos for a while now and the effort put into these videos is just undeniable. everything is researched and explained in a detailed yet concise way and the storytelling always has me sitting on the edge of my seat. keep it up :)
Thank you! That’s the goal 🙏🏼
I’m love watching your videos and how much information you spread about these Plane errors. I have watched every single video of yours and they are so descriptive for each one of them. Thanks Green Dot!🎉🎉
Good job green dot. It’s amazing to see the progress so faR from start to now quality and presentation wise
Yeah.
Thank you, we're always trying to improve the videos 🚀
At 12:47 where you describe the air as feeling thick to the wings due to how fast the plane is moving - that was a really great visual for me. I wrestle with the science of aerodynamics (especially when we talk about the air going over the top of the wing) and your description here resonated with my brain. Thanks for that.
Watch Airfrance 447 then. You will understand what happened.
Who else is watching this before a flight
Me😂 i have a 14hr flight to Houston
@@sheriffalexis7130 I have another flight today I'm not too worried about crashing I'm just sad to leave the sun
You mean who else is watching this on the flight ;) haha
I often watch these videos before flights lol
@@albecrt9013 gets you in the mood for flying
seriously opera is really good and it blocks all RUclips ads fore free
You should definitely consider a collab with Mentour Pilot both of you are good at these videos
I like this guy's accent, it is somehow soothing, while holding your attention, but Mentour's ridiculous pseudo-american/european accent really jars my senses, so I will stick with Green Dot! Agree they do both have good content though.
Reminder to self to like every GreenDotAvi vid and comment for the algorithm gods… Been binge watching this channel for like 4hrs straight. The animations, detailed information and your narration is honestly much better than bigger productions. The one about those two pilots flying that UPS cargo plane with a lithium battery fire really got me right in the feels. I definitely have a new appreciation for battery safety. As sad as it was it’s sort of impressive how long that plane was able to contain the fire, away from the cockpit. The determination and focus of that first officer really was amazing. He never stopped fighting.
What did I learn:
- High thrust pitches the nose up.
- A too high pitch upward decelerates the plane horizontally, causing a pre-stall.
- Trimming can counteract a nose up/down.
- Flaps are required at slow speeds to keep the airflow.
- When pre-stalling nose up, don't bank too much.
- During pre-stall and stall you will lose altitude.
- Never let the speed drop below minimum requirement of the plane or you *will* get a stall.
Edit: - Don't trust in Auto-throttle too much and be ready to manually apply thrust asap, as soon speed drops.
Did I miss something only a trained pilot knows?
From seeing a bunch of glider pilots and the saves they have been able to pull off with propelled and unpropelled planes, airspeed is king. Its what keeps you alive gliders are much MUCH more vigilant of this because if you stall low enough to the ground you simply dont recover as you dont have throttle. I feel under high workloads and or high stress comercial airliners involved in accidents dont scan often enough for perilously low airspeed. If they did theyd immediately react with throttle instead of pitch up as sometimes its been seen.
well the first bullet point is a peculiarity only on small aircraft like the 737
Yeah, I'm used to sim flying fighter jets and those don't have auto throttle. A Hotas approach seems to be the best method to not get carried away. Also I don't get it why so many Civilian airliner don't have a hud which displays airspeed, bank angle etc. like in a F16.
An ep on an airline I've flown on... exciting!
and at my home airport!
I remember that night well... I live on a hill on the flightpath about 5 miles from the airport. I was asleep in bed when the deafening roar of jet engines woke me up (I don't usually hear them as they are on idle at about 2000 feet) I've never heard anything like it... makes me wonder how close to the ground that plane was and how close I came to being included in the potential disaster!
Tyre skid marks on your roof probably!!😂
I have grown to love this channel so much! It is my FAVORITE channel on RUclips. Thank you for the great videos.
I am going to China in 5 days and will binge watch your videos during the flight 😂
I did this 3 weeks ago. I looked outside and was sure those flaps were in the wrong settings. I wanted to convey my worries to the captain but nobody cared
Sadist😂
From 8:01 - 8:41 roughly is ONE of the main reasons i love GreenDot Aviation. I am always intrigued by the smaller details.
Good lord, I cannot imagine how traumatizing that must have been for the passengers and the crew!! Thank you for sharing another excellently produced video. Cheers from Canada!
Adore this channel, it’s the only aviation channel that makes sense
The nasty habit of the B737 pitching up with full power out of stalls was even worse with the new MAX models leading to a computerized system needed (MCAS) that made things worse sometimes.
In the end though they did the stall tests and concluded the stall and recovery characteristics were acceptable and the MCAS was really not needed. That was sad.😢
@@srinitaaigauraNo more mcas on the max ?
Omg that segue to the Opera Ad was the smoothest transition EVER!! 😂
I've noticed that on flights where it ends in death, the captain and copilot's names are always mentioned, whereas in non-fatal flights, the names are not mentioned. So this is somewhat of an indicator of how the flight would end.
Green, I swear. Your production value, attention to detail, and the intro will always stay goated. Keep up the amazing content.
it freaks me out that I was on this exact plane flying into this airport about a month before the incident, yet I didn't here about it for 18 years afterwards.
Blud is a survivor 😭
I can't imagine it's a good idea to have a "recent near-miss accidents" bulletin issued to civilians before their flights.
Woohoo as a TUI employee I’ve been looking out for us. I mean I think woohoo isn’t the right word but excited to watch
Greendot, you had me on the edge of my seat. I literally yelled, "NO" when you mentioned the inevitable stall.
I'd hadn't heard of this incident but what an important update to come out of this flight.
Thanks for another great upload 💯 ❤
I like that these kind've videos pop up within the week I'm due to fly. Maybe they're always there, maybe I just notice them more because I know I have a flight coming up.
What I find even more concerning is that this happened at night, with a dimly lit flight deck, and even in the dim light, they did not notice the warning light. So just imagine how much easier it would be to miss it in broad daylight with the flight deck brightly lit by the sun. Very surprising the system did not have an audible warning. That crew were very lucky to recover from that stall at such a low altitude, especially with the aircraft banking over. Thankfully for all aboard the captain finally got his brain in order just in time.
Just a single, tiny flashing light does not seem enough to me for a major automation component of the aircraft disconnecting. Don’t really get why there is no aural warning for autothrottle disconnecting.
@@99domini99 I don't get this either. The 777 sounds the master caution, "BLEET BLEET BLEET BLEET", and announces in yellow "AUTOTHROTTLE DISC" on the EICAS. It stays there (and the master caution button right in front of them remains lit yellow) until you hit the caution reset switch. I don't understand why Boeing wouldn't replicate this behaviour onto the newer generation 737s, built after the 777.
Perfect timing , just settled into bed and these amazing videos strangely send me off to sleep. Horrifying content but soothing voice 🤣 I love this channel.
Me too! I have a sleep playlist purely of greendot videos! 😅
@@SallyGreenaway I’m so glad I’m not the only one 🤣
Its so strange hearing that applying full thrust actually made it worse, I mean I'm not like a pilot or anything but I fly sims a lot, and whenever near stalling or anything, I've always thought its full thrust, nose down, but thinking about it, it makes sense
You want to live
Only on planes where the engine position causes the centre of gravity to pitch the plane up at full thrust. AIUI
Shhhh everyone be quiet. My favorite Chanel just uploaded
Other then he ignores his subs
do u expect him to heart every single comment, like bro @@iliketoast3557
2:04 ''Btw I have a plot twist- I'm a psychologist again 😂''
''No way''
That was the most British thing about therapy I've heard in my life full of Charlie Foxtrots 😂😂😂😂😂
He is Irish not british
@@julien_lemur2302 oh and so the Irish therapy is on its own league then with this plot twist
@@julien_lemur2302 may I ask you a question: how is it that shoving the throttle to maximum power is warned against by Boeing (apart from this incident)? Isn't that how to perform a go-around??
@@HD_555 obviously im no pilot and i lack adequate knowledge about this but i reckon it could be something situational, i know shoving the toga leavers to max power might make the plane pitch up very aggressively and it might cause stall
I just knocked out your entire channel over the last few days. Great content
Glad you're enjoying it! More videos on the way 😁
Wow! This video is truly the best, you have all the aspects as other channels and you make it short and fun. Keep it up!
When it comes to planes, 1 out of 200 in my book qualifies as "Notoriously Unrealiable".
Shame on Boeing for selling crappy planes.
Praise to both pilots for remarkable airmanship.
the 737 classic is not crappy
Thank you for covering this GDA 👍🏼
Excellent presentation.
I love how the first two words of every episode are “A Boeing…”
not all of them
plenty have also been mcdonnell douglas and airbus
my favorite breakdown channel on aviation. watched all the episodes over a week period at work. good stuff
How did it happen? Boeing. Everything they make is sh't.
did you even watch the video
@@TheAviationGuyID - Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Here let me help you: 1. "How did this happen?" (a reiteration of the video's headline, used in derision and to lead to next thought). 2. Boeing. (single word statement used to highlight Boeing's numerous issues with the 737). 3. Everything they make is sh't (Boeing's current air/spacecraft have proven to be unreliable - to the point where the public actually believes two whistleblowers were killed to silence them). Yes, I watched the video and yes, I know what caused the accident. My comment was made to highlight the company's current plight. I think I might be able to make it simpler for you, can I borrow your crayons?
@@jonahrains7483 yes.
@@TheAviationGuyID - I can't tell if you read my edited comment. If you have, please give me your crayons and I'll see what I can do.
@@jonahrains7483 here. Take my 50 pack of crayons
Also BOH is a very common airport to conduct a F40 approach, in fact I opt to use F40 occasionally in Manchester and other larger airports in order to vacate the runway at a certain point.
Your videos always keep me guessing on the final outcome, so well made! Thank you for the constant uploads!
You know it’s a good day when green dot aviation posts!
With that much pressure on the elevators one would have thought it was basic flying skill to unload them with the stab trim. What was a simple fix never occurred to them. Quite incredible.
I hope you include the recordings frorm the cockpit and stuff
My favourite aviation channel on RUclips. Keep it up
This may be pretty basic, but your explanation at 12:43 of what is actually happening to the air molecules at high speed was super interesting. Never thought of it that way. Thanks!
the legend comes back with an another vid
Man you have amazing videos, I have probably watched hours of your content. Keep it up chief.
Thank you, that’s the plan! ✈️
How do you manage to make the production value on these higher every single time? Every time I think you've reached the peak of the air disaster format you take it a little step farther. Your attention to detail is astounding, and the way you tell these stories is really engaging. 11/10, would binge all the videos on this channel for a third time.
Little short, but I love this channel so much! Thanks for the great content.
Damm you’re videos are only getting better
So glad, for the sake of those precious lives on-board, the pilots managed to recover from near disaster!
I'm really enjoying the steady increase in production quality! Love your videos, keep it up!
Another fantastic video. Glad everyone had a safe landing in the end.
Yes! Finally! A happy ending to a super scary event lol... whew... even i, from the safety of my bed, was biting my nails in anxious wonder over the fate of this flight. Im glad they got it back under control and ultimately landed safely without incident.
Also, real quick, i can totally see, out of fear and adrenaline, stiffening up in such event and accidentally mashing the pedal and unkowingly ruddering out of control. Im guessing it was the less experienced pilot, and i do hope he dropped that side effect upon touchdown of the flight. Or at least before he ever piloted another plane in the future. Very scary... your work is amazing, GDA. Thank you for these fantastic and informative videos.
This and Speedtapefilms are my favourite RUclips channels.
Great channel mate. My new fav for air crash mini-docs😆.
Thank you! 🙌
The flap placard speeds are not located on the control column, they are located just beneath the gear handle.
This analysis of the near catastrophic approach in IMC is a nail-biting one while very informative at the same time.
i love watching this when im about to board my boeing 737 plane (i also have flight anxiety)😭
Cool to be mentioned, greetings from Jersey!!
17:40 Why does the Captain (or FO) not trim the stabilizer nose down immediately, this is instinctive for pilots hand-flying, more so when all nose down elevator authority has been completely lost? Also, at 19:30 the analog IAS dial is showing around 170 knots while the speed tape on the PFD shows 98 knots with a positive trend.
Yep - pilot error
It's like a punch in the brain every time you say column like volume. It's so bizarre. 😂
I love the fact that I get a TUI add whilst watching this lol, great video as always
lmao the TUI ads while watching this terrifying breakdown
I live in bournemouth. never heard of this incident. thank you for covering it!
17 years ago bro, why does he say our hometown in a weird way? Haha.
“Flaps 40 is only used for short runways”. Totally Incorrect. It’s also used for a better runway environment visual acquisition at decision altitude when the weather is poor. Not an unusual decision at all, a good one.
Great video, I love the way you pronounce “column” 😊
I Love the 737 , such a derpy plane !
I actually live in Bournemouth and can see the airport from the end of my road. I probably flew on this plane as I flew with Thomson many times to and from Spain during this period. Thankfully I wasn’t on this flight. Thanks for making me aware of this flight as I never knew about it.
I'm baffled as to why Boeing did not provide an audio alert for the A/T disconnect. And I see from a current 737s pilot comment below that this is the case even on the Frankken mutant plane that is the Max. What is the human factors reasoning for this? What does it cost to give the pilots a 2 second beep-beep + flashing light for A/T disconnect?
Great to see you back GreenDot!