@@Jxhny.What Curry has ever done to the Lakers? Even in the 2016 record the Lakers lead by Ingram was one of the 9 teams to hand them a L So you get the idea that back in the kd era the Lakers weren't competing with the warriors and when LeBron and Ad arrived so we were competing Every time we faced them we beat them Kicked them out of the play in kicked them out of the playoffs We will get swept by Denver not you lol
KD is obviously an all time great but idk how everyone has him as high as they do. Just feels like having him within three spots of Steph, Hakeem, and Duncan, is crazy. I feel like he hasn’t separated himself from someone like KG, Dirk, West, or Oscar. Feels like the only reason you’d have him over those guys is “vibes”.
In his prime he can guard 1-5, shoot like Bird and can score like a 7ft version of Kobe. offensively you can’t ask him to be a better player . he is having lebron-like longevity. He’s more versatile than all the guys you listed. Like what do you mean ?
KD 2010 - 2015 matters. He finished 2nd in MVP voting 3 times. Beat Dirk and Kobe in the playoffs, averaged 32 in his finals against the Heat. He has been as good as anyone these last 15 years. I realized most people don't know KD before the Warriors.
I mean he did what Lebron did with the decision but instead somehow more cowardly and never won outside of GS and GS didn’t even need him KD just sold out his legacy for some rings
@@vintagemonte The guys listed have more accolades than him with lesser teams. Heck even Giannis and Jokic have surpassed him given how they won their rings and how KD won his. Bus rider for life.
5:00. That was NBA 2K15. If you score over 70 in a game in MyCareer, David Robinson tweets at you in the Social Media section of the menu to give you kudos while also referencing his 71 point game.
@@jahmalduncan8951i mean, if we are being honest, it is going to impossible for someone to win 6 rings on the same team due to free agency in the modern era. Similarly, parity in the league is at an all time high, and objectively, there is more skill in the league than there ever has been, if we are speaking objectively, Lebron is more skilled than MJ, he just is, and in 20 years, there will be someone more skilled than Lebron, but they might not be as dominant, so all we can really do is compare eras
All of the sudden everyone hates Malone. Kinda wierd without any proof. It's kinda like "believing all of whatever you hear" or " #me2" because it's safer than getting caught approving of someone who might have done something 20 years ago. And it just got brought up after the giddy thing. I mean, if he did something, he should have his accolades taken and be publicly shamed. But I think people hate before they get the facts and are scared to be associated with someone over allegations that might have happened like 30 years ago. The public shouldn't judge someone before the courts do. Then again, where's the hate for D₩@d€ everyone knows his sins to be fact?????
MJ is simply the greatest combination of Individual accolades. Winning. Stats. Poetry in motion. That feeling calm you get every time you place a bet on him. Just sheer dominance.
@@user-se4tr7cb2mI think this is becoming the new “first” in the Basketball community. Seen this exact comment in another video using the other persons view count.
the random clips you put in the videos always make me laugh, sometimes I find it hard to find the time to watch the whole video in one go but I just love this channel never stop uploading ❤❤❤
Bron has paved a way for him to be the GOAT in his own way with his longevity, statistical anomalies, and versatility. Same way that MJ paved a way to be the GOAT in his own way with his 6 years of dominance over his peers that no one else has come close to accomplishing. The argument depends on what you value more. Do you want 20 years of statistical greatness, or do you want 6 years of unheard of dominance? Me personally I value MJ’s dominance more
as a person who was bad at basketball till my mid 20s i always loved dirk more than any other player. he is my personal goat no matter what happens forever
You want a real tough goat debate. Look no further than tennis. A sport where three of the greatest of all time played in the same era. A sport where there is only an individual against another. As a sports fan I encourage you to look into this topic. I know my goat there but even mentioning it can spark infinite debates. Thus, as a sports fan I’d leave each opinion to its own but again, encourage you to look at the rivalries between all time greats in the span of the past 15 years, it’s wild.
I largely try to stay out of the goat debate because what the goat is means different things to different people, so it's pointless trying to debate with somebody who values different aspects about the game than you. However, I like the idea of taking a large sample size of opinions and making an average list. Seems like the most fair way to take every opinion into account and balance things out with no one point of view dominating the narrative. People are always entitled to their individual opinions obviously, but as far as looking at what the collective generally things, love the idea.
I just want for this debate to not be so toxic anymore. It's sad that it just won't go how I think everyone wants it, where people will calm the fuck down about it.
I’ve learned the most hated players are the best people hate seeing someone destroy there team year after year they are loved at first then it gets old seeing them shit on your team ant edwards and sga are in that being loved stage rn
Michael Jordan. I think there is no debate here, he clears Lebron comprehensively. In terms of the respect he commanded, MJ was the athlete of the games in 1992 & it wasn't even close. No basketballer has done that before or after in a global multi-sport competition. In terms of NBA influence, there are entire countries that only ever got interested in basketball in the Jordan era, they weren't watching it before and haven't been watching it after. In terms of branding & endorsements, his record speaks for itself. In terms of delivering on court, his record speaks for itself. As for Lebron I struggle to find anything that was in a worse state and has improved for the better.
MJ is the best player we've seen, and prime kobe got close, but Lebron to me is the GREATEST. He played for longer, has way more records under his name, is a better team player and in my opinion has had a more positive impact on the sport. The fact that he played at an all star level for 20 straight years is an unseen achievement.
no debate, seriously ? he had so many multi-year breaks and his Washington years were kinda meh. Lebron never did this sh!t and he overall has a better career than MJ. Someone will say that MJ has 2 more rings but he never played against such crazy teams like fully stacked GSW. The Championship against 73-9 Warriors alone is worth more than half of MJs rings.
Ratio kid only 4 chips in 20 with super teams, 5K turn overs leader all time, 4 sweeps in 4 different decades, the biggest finals loser all time...accept it everyone STILL trying to be like GOAT Mike kid nobody want to be like queen james 😂@@SuperSikarlo
@@logx-ow1uswhat a dumbass logic what about simply when they played together when Shaq was undisputedly the team captain and the main guy he won 3 fmvp in a row and when Kobe started entering his prime and tried to be the new team captain that dynasty died and he got destroyed by the pistons in one of the most inefficient finals ever by an all time great
@@logx-ow1us you just conveniently looked only at what they did separately because when they were together it's clear that Shaq was the bus driver and kobe was riding was the robin was the second in command And even in looking at the not together years you screwed and twisted it to frame it like Kobe and Shaq had the same opportunities without each other Kobe had a dynasty built around him and the goat coach and many superstars Shaq was already on his way out of his prime Kobe was in the middle of his prime or the first half of it in 2005 Kobe was supposed to be better than Shaq in that time frame because he is younger and in his late 20s Shaq was already into his 30s Not to mention Shaq lead his own team when he was younger and made it to the finals and it's the only one to kick Jordan out of the playoffs in the middle of the 90s
@@tpsam the problem with shaq is, he couldn’t play 4th quarters. Honestly, I’m fine if you put him anywhere in the top 10, but I can’t have him that high. It’s just a personal thing.
Spent almost my entire life rooting for Lebron. The Mark Price Cavs of the early 90s were my first love. For a time I was DESPERATE for Lebron to get vengeance on MJ and become the GOAT. Now I’m desperate for ppl to understand how the media has used the same tricks they use in politics to get the general population to believe BS. By creating this “GOAT debate” after 2016 for ratings and ad revenue, they’ve successfully convinced us he average fan that Lebron has a lock on the “2nd greatest of all time.” The reality is, the more you dive into his career, the less impressive it actually is. Especially if you dive into the career’s and accomplishments of other all time greats. IMO, Tier 1 is MJ, Tier 2 is Magic, Larry, Kareem, Hakeem, Kobe, Bill, Wilt. And Lebron falls into the upper end of the next tier with Timmy, Dirk, Steph…absolutely no shame to be on this tier, but bc of these disingenuous media conglomerates who hit a jackpot with their stupid “debate” shows, now simply telling the truth about LeBron qualifies you as a “hater”
Bro really said he solved something when he just listed random players for half an hour then said Michaels the goat cuz everyone said he is 🎯 what a great video
When bro mentioned smth about the D-Rob text message, I knew he was talking about NBA 2K13 or 2K14 Last gen cuz like, every time I score 71+ points for the first time, that mf David Robinson always tweets me after the game about it 😭😭
its either Lebron or Bill Russell, best player or most rings, don't settle for some gambler with 6 rings, at least pick the guy with the most rings or the best, most complete player of all time.
There is no controversy, no debate. We all know who the GOAT is. Some are saying otherwise but even they know that they are wrong. And the fact that you know 100% who I am talking about proves my point.
"How do you not enjoy watching curry?"
Thunder, Cavs, Rockets, Celtics fans being traumatized:
Cavs as well
@@Jxhny.Trail Blazers
@@Jxhny.What Curry has ever done to the Lakers? Even in the 2016 record the Lakers lead by Ingram was one of the 9 teams to hand them a L
So you get the idea that back in the kd era the Lakers weren't competing with the warriors and when LeBron and Ad arrived so we were competing
Every time we faced them we beat them
Kicked them out of the play in kicked them out of the playoffs
We will get swept by Denver not you lol
@@tpsam exactly replace lakers with cavs
@@Jxhny. I meant to say cavs but my mind defaulted to lebrons team and i typed lakers forgive me i edit now
KD is obviously an all time great but idk how everyone has him as high as they do. Just feels like having him within three spots of Steph, Hakeem, and Duncan, is crazy. I feel like he hasn’t separated himself from someone like KG, Dirk, West, or Oscar. Feels like the only reason you’d have him over those guys is “vibes”.
Most people goat list is vibe
Everyone is just picking their favourites
In his prime he can guard 1-5, shoot like Bird and can score like a 7ft version of Kobe. offensively you can’t ask him to be a better player . he is having lebron-like longevity. He’s more versatile than all the guys you listed. Like what do you mean ?
KD 2010 - 2015 matters. He finished 2nd in MVP voting 3 times. Beat Dirk and Kobe in the playoffs, averaged 32 in his finals against the Heat. He has been as good as anyone these last 15 years. I realized most people don't know KD before the Warriors.
I mean he did what Lebron did with the decision but instead somehow more cowardly and never won outside of GS and GS didn’t even need him KD just sold out his legacy for some rings
@@vintagemonte The guys listed have more accolades than him with lesser teams. Heck even Giannis and Jokic have surpassed him given how they won their rings and how KD won his. Bus rider for life.
5:00. That was NBA 2K15. If you score over 70 in a game in MyCareer, David Robinson tweets at you in the Social Media section of the menu to give you kudos while also referencing his 71 point game.
But he scored 71 not 72
@@bovedli fixed
Same thing in 2k13
aka arguably the worst 70+ point game in NBA history
2k14. I was suprised that Robinson replied on my social media feed
MJ will always be the goat for me, but if you think Lebron I can’t argue with that. People who lose sleep over this shit need to get a life😂
Now here is something more people should embrace
Love the maturity here we love it, what you think of Steph being so low? Accurate or off?
Somebody eventually is gonna surpass mj or Lebron as the goat. Nobody will always be goat. It will change
It’s not his list it’s an over all of like 50 different lists
@@jahmalduncan8951i mean, if we are being honest, it is going to impossible for someone to win 6 rings on the same team due to free agency in the modern era. Similarly, parity in the league is at an all time high, and objectively, there is more skill in the league than there ever has been, if we are speaking objectively, Lebron is more skilled than MJ, he just is, and in 20 years, there will be someone more skilled than Lebron, but they might not be as dominant, so all we can really do is compare eras
Ain't no way Duncan is at 10... He is minimum top 5
This is the funniest guy on earth bro said Zelle
I love you showed no highlights of Karl Malone and all fouls😂
Not even right, but it’s his channel.
😂😂😂
All of the sudden everyone hates Malone. Kinda wierd without any proof. It's kinda like "believing all of whatever you hear" or " #me2" because it's safer than getting caught approving of someone who might have done something 20 years ago. And it just got brought up after the giddy thing. I mean, if he did something, he should have his accolades taken and be publicly shamed. But I think people hate before they get the facts and are scared to be associated with someone over allegations that might have happened like 30 years ago. The public shouldn't judge someone before the courts do. Then again, where's the hate for D₩@d€ everyone knows his sins to be fact?????
@@noname-ue7lb he had a kid with a minor what proof do u need 🤡
@@blakeunderwood1075 it’s right😂😂didn’t know people a say stupid shitt like “it’s wrong “ no
I wish I could’ve seen magic play. He just seems like a fun player to watch
You can watch highlights, hell there’s probably entire games on RUclips.
@@finn54123Well, I meant during his career
@@lorenzo6777 yeah seeing those guys live would’ve been cool
The goat is clearly my pookie bear Wayne Ellington
i mean, shaq above kobe is plain stupid
Kobe was carried by shaq. People Didnt change their roster because of kobe
@@SuperSikarloso magic is carried by kareem, worthy, cooper.
"Deepest trenches of the internet"
*Googles Google...*
Page 2 tho
MJ is simply the greatest combination of
Individual accolades.
Winning.
Stats.
Poetry in motion.
That feeling calm you get every time you place a bet on him.
Just sheer dominance.
My top five
1 Diego Maradona
2 LeBron James
3 Lance Armstrong
4 Marion Jones
5 Ben Jonson 😁
Yea, it’s MJ.
It’s not even close too.
Wemby is the only current threat to the argument.
I’d love to see him set the new standard.
@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154nothing can ever be close when it comes to powerscaling
@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154”not even close” in the goat debate just let’s everyone know how much of a casual you are😂
@@thecaptain9212 Thinking LeBron is even close to MJ just lets everyone know how much of a casual you are 😂
45 views in 2 minutes? Modern Jam really fell off
Dam stop hating
🤔
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@user-se4tr7cb2mhe Liked the comment it was obviously a joke
@@user-se4tr7cb2mI think this is becoming the new “first” in the Basketball community. Seen this exact comment in another video using the other persons view count.
the random clips you put in the videos always make me laugh, sometimes I find it hard to find the time to watch the whole video in one go but I just love this channel never stop uploading ❤❤❤
Fr lmao funny as hell😂😂😂
You should do a complete series of this with different topics like best scorer, best passer, best 3 point shooter etc.
I agree Hakeem would’ve had 8 chips if MJ hadn’t been around great take
Giving giannis the upper hand is craaaazy
Goat breather got me 😆
Bron has paved a way for him to be the GOAT in his own way with his longevity, statistical anomalies, and versatility.
Same way that MJ paved a way to be the GOAT in his own way with his 6 years of dominance over his peers that no one else has come close to accomplishing.
The argument depends on what you value more. Do you want 20 years of statistical greatness, or do you want 6 years of unheard of dominance? Me personally I value MJ’s dominance more
Kevin Durant spot is completely wrong.
When are we gonna admit that Frank Ntilikina is the real GOAT
That Kobe joke got me to subscribe to you bruh 😭🔥
smh y'all wrong
there's only one true G.O.A.T
*Dillon* "Dynasty" *Brooks*
Bobby “King of the 4th” Portis Jr.
Nah I’m dying about the young Sheldon Tik tok and it turning into you are my sun shine bc ts is so real😂😂
that vine at the start unlocked a memory man
There was never was a debate. The league has gone downhill rapidly since lebron came into the league.
When you look up adhd this channel pops up
Deserve way more subs
Just wait 5 years and say jokic
1:41 "how to steal from old people" 😂😂😂
Not mentioning GG Jackson in the goat debate to make it a fair debate
as a person who was bad at basketball till my mid 20s i always loved dirk more than any other player. he is my personal goat no matter what happens forever
I laughed like 20 times. You're the real GOAT
The intro🤣🤣🤣
Paul George and it’s not even close 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
brandon miller burner:
You did Steph dirty bro
A lil groom appearance is crazy
You want a real tough goat debate. Look no further than tennis. A sport where three of the greatest of all time played in the same era. A sport where there is only an individual against another. As a sports fan I encourage you to look into this topic. I know my goat there but even mentioning it can spark infinite debates. Thus, as a sports fan I’d leave each opinion to its own but again, encourage you to look at the rivalries between all time greats in the span of the past 15 years, it’s wild.
My top few goes,
Mj
Bron
Magic
Kareem
Russell(idk where to put him)
Bird
Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe
Steph
Shaq
Respectable list
Its Michael Jeffery Jordan. End of debate. Go argue with a wall
It’s LeBron James. End of debate. Go argue with a wall
Its DeAndre Jordan (the real jordan) . End of debate. Go talk to a (john) wall.
You're all wrong. It's Ben Simmons
debatable now
As in John Wall?
Lol went on google and said he went deep into the trenches of the internet lmao
KG coming for ya 💀👀
I largely try to stay out of the goat debate because what the goat is means different things to different people, so it's pointless trying to debate with somebody who values different aspects about the game than you. However, I like the idea of taking a large sample size of opinions and making an average list. Seems like the most fair way to take every opinion into account and balance things out with no one point of view dominating the narrative. People are always entitled to their individual opinions obviously, but as far as looking at what the collective generally things, love the idea.
yoo mj when the irl videos coming you promised us? would like to see it happening
0:35 I wish he added animal into the list of categories. That would have been hilarious.
To much trollin right away bruh 😂
Kobe in 8, really?
David Robinson is a 1 time mvp
yoooo fr im faded asf some canes would slap rn 🔥
AINT NO WAY NEW MODERN JAM VIDEO?!?!?
Tim at 10 is wild.....
you mean he is too low? or are you mentally ill?
I just want for this debate to not be so toxic anymore. It's sad that it just won't go how I think everyone wants it, where people will calm the fuck down about it.
That Aaron Gordon/Shaq interview was hilarious
This is history class but its entrataining and better
I’ve learned the most hated players are the best people hate seeing someone destroy there team year after year they are loved at first then it gets old seeing them shit on your team ant edwards and sga are in that being loved stage rn
It’s MJ. Nuff said
Michael Jordan. I think there is no debate here, he clears Lebron comprehensively. In terms of the respect he commanded, MJ was the athlete of the games in 1992 & it wasn't even close. No basketballer has done that before or after in a global multi-sport competition.
In terms of NBA influence, there are entire countries that only ever got interested in basketball in the Jordan era, they weren't watching it before and haven't been watching it after.
In terms of branding & endorsements, his record speaks for itself.
In terms of delivering on court, his record speaks for itself.
As for Lebron I struggle to find anything that was in a worse state and has improved for the better.
MJ is the best player we've seen, and prime kobe got close, but Lebron to me is the GREATEST. He played for longer, has way more records under his name, is a better team player and in my opinion has had a more positive impact on the sport. The fact that he played at an all star level for 20 straight years is an unseen achievement.
You forgot to mention Alex Caruso in the goat debate 👀
Winner, winner, chicken, dinner 🎉😂
MJ no debate. He has the best collection of accolades. Also the best advanced stats. Narratives don't matter in the GOAT debate.
no debate, seriously ? he had so many multi-year breaks and his Washington years were kinda meh. Lebron never did this sh!t and he overall has a better career than MJ. Someone will say that MJ has 2 more rings but he never played against such crazy teams like fully stacked GSW. The Championship against 73-9 Warriors alone is worth more than half of MJs rings.
40k
@@SuperSikarlo he may get 45K until the end of his career, no one touches him.
Ratio kid only 4 chips in 20 with super teams, 5K turn overs leader all time, 4 sweeps in 4 different decades, the biggest finals loser all time...accept it everyone STILL trying to be like GOAT Mike kid nobody want to be like queen james 😂@@SuperSikarlo
No Zeke? Damn what a disrespect
2:44 I’m curious as to what the blurred text here says I don’t think it’s actually names of nba players as far as I can tell
Larry Bird, beat the so called goat twice, and taught all these other goats the work ethic to be the goat
Robinson is not a 2 time MVP
Smush Parker is definitely the GOAT
White Mamba, duh.
That LeBron clip is way to funny man 💀💀 22:43
Nailed the top 5
I heard that was actually the young Michael Finley that did the dunk for Michael Jordan's mother.
I could be mistaken.
Most objective thing I’ve seen on the matter
Where the hell was Tim Duncan on the top 20 power forwards list?
damn Shaq higher than Kobe? not necessarily agree but i do respect it
Shaq definitely better
Kobe probably better since shaq was 2nd best player with his ring without Kobe, and Kobe was best on two without shaq.
@@logx-ow1uswhat a dumbass logic what about simply when they played together when Shaq was undisputedly the team captain and the main guy he won 3 fmvp in a row and when Kobe started entering his prime and tried to be the new team captain that dynasty died and he got destroyed by the pistons in one of the most inefficient finals ever by an all time great
@@logx-ow1us you just conveniently looked only at what they did separately because when they were together it's clear that Shaq was the bus driver and kobe was riding was the robin was the second in command
And even in looking at the not together years you screwed and twisted it to frame it like Kobe and Shaq had the same opportunities without each other
Kobe had a dynasty built around him and the goat coach and many superstars
Shaq was already on his way out of his prime
Kobe was in the middle of his prime or the first half of it in 2005
Kobe was supposed to be better than Shaq in that time frame because he is younger and in his late 20s Shaq was already into his 30s
Not to mention Shaq lead his own team when he was younger and made it to the finals and it's the only one to kick Jordan out of the playoffs in the middle of the 90s
@@tpsam the problem with shaq is, he couldn’t play 4th quarters. Honestly, I’m fine if you put him anywhere in the top 10, but I can’t have him that high. It’s just a personal thing.
Wrong Kobe #2
“how can you not love kobe” … somebody should let this guy know
mamba mentality more like malone mentality
MJ put Basketball on the world map, he will always be the GOAT. The conversation should be, who's the GOAT#2 .
Zelle?!
Obviously its Iguodala!
Spent almost my entire life rooting for Lebron. The Mark Price Cavs of the early 90s were my first love. For a time I was DESPERATE for Lebron to get vengeance on MJ and become the GOAT. Now I’m desperate for ppl to understand how the media has used the same tricks they use in politics to get the general population to believe BS. By creating this “GOAT debate” after 2016 for ratings and ad revenue, they’ve successfully convinced us he average fan that Lebron has a lock on the “2nd greatest of all time.” The reality is, the more you dive into his career, the less impressive it actually is. Especially if you dive into the career’s and accomplishments of other all time greats. IMO, Tier 1 is MJ, Tier 2 is Magic, Larry, Kareem, Hakeem, Kobe, Bill, Wilt. And Lebron falls into the upper end of the next tier with Timmy, Dirk, Steph…absolutely no shame to be on this tier, but bc of these disingenuous media conglomerates who hit a jackpot with their stupid “debate” shows, now simply telling the truth about LeBron qualifies you as a “hater”
Moses Malone is my new favourite player
Dirk over Charles Barkley ?
How is that top power forward list not having timmy D
The youngins? You mean the kids....
Bro really said he solved something when he just listed random players for half an hour then said Michaels the goat cuz everyone said he is 🎯 what a great video
Crazy i am watching this thinking wembanyama will be top 1 in about 10 years.
When bro mentioned smth about the D-Rob text message, I knew he was talking about NBA 2K13 or 2K14 Last gen cuz like, every time I score 71+ points for the first time, that mf David Robinson always tweets me after the game about it 😭😭
quality content, high basketball iq humour as well
You started watching nba basketball in 2011 or a few years after? Damn you’re young
Larry Legend was my favorite to watch, but i agree he's prob around 5. Watch his highlight reels for some serious big brained basketball skills.
10:58 Top20 Power Forwards and Tim Duncan isn't in that list?????
Tim Duncan and Bill Russel are both top 5
Curry at 12 don’t sit right with me
ima youngin but michael the goat and there’s plenty of reason why
its either Lebron or Bill Russell, best player or most rings, don't settle for some gambler with 6 rings, at least pick the guy with the most rings or the best, most complete player of all time.
There is no controversy, no debate. We all know who the GOAT is. Some are saying otherwise but even they know that they are wrong. And the fact that you know 100% who I am talking about proves my point.
Don't forget that Lebron is the only one on this list with the IN SEASON CHAMPIONSHIP. That's like.. 2 rings at least.
Stop saying too low when you actually mean too high
Why is 'Joker' so low?
Big O was a glorified stat padder
How to steal from old people 1:41