Was Judas Predestined to Betray Jesus? (Calvinism vs Arminianism)
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What is the deal with Judas Iscariot? Jesus chose him, and yet he betrayed Jesus. And then his betrayal was foretold in the Old Testament. And Jesus said it would have been better had he never been born. Was Judas predestined to betray Jesus today on hot topics?
Hi, This is Robert Furrow, and welcome the hot topics. We answer Bible questions and your questions through the lens of Scripture. If you're new here, consider subscribing. You could do that right now and click the bell beside it so you could get all of our new videos. The comments section is open below. We would love to hear from you. Let's take a few minutes to consider Judas Iscariot before we talk about whether or not he was predestined to betray Jesus. First of all, he had one of the greatest privileges of all time. He was one of the chosen disciples. Could you imagine? I've asked people often if you could be anyone in the Bible besides Jesus, Who would you be? And quite often it's one of the disciples. For me. Personally, it doesn't matter which one, except I wouldn't wanna be Judas Iscariot. But if I could be one of the disciples seeing the miracles of Jesus. Think of the things that Judas saw. He saw people healed. He heard the teachings of Jesus. He saw the miraculously things happened. He saw the seas calmed. And yet he betrayed Jesus. The second thing to consider is that Jesus knew all along that Judas was going to betray him. In John 6 70 it says, Jesus answered them. Did I not choose you? The 12 and one of you is the devil. He also identified Judas as his betrayer when he gave him the piece of bread in John 13 26. The Scriptures even give us prophecy about Judas. Psalms, 41 9 says Even my own familiar friend in whom I trusted who ate bread at my table, has lifted up his heel against me. This is speaking of a friend of David's Ah Hipfl, who sided with Absalon when he tried to take the kingdom from David when Absalon failed. Ah Hipfl, who had backed Absalon, hung himself. It's interesting that he was a foreshadow of the type of Judas who sat at the table, ate bread with him and betrayed him, and ended up hanging himself as well. The Bible also tells us in Zachariah 11, 12, and 13. Then I said to them, If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages and if not, refrain So the wages wade out to 30 pieces of silver, and the Lord said to me, Throw it to the Potter, that princely price they set for me. So I took the 30 pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the Potter. This plays out exactly in the life of Judas. After the anointing in Bethany by Mary, the sister of Martha. Judas goes to the men of the high priest and he works out the wages and they pay him 30 pieces of silver. After he hears that Jesus is condemned, he throws them back into the temple. They are gathered together, and either by Judas or someone else, they buy the piece of land that Judas hangs himself on. Like they took down the body of Jesus and couldn't anoint it for those next couple of days because it was the Sabbath. The same thing was true about the body of Judas that hung on that tree and he would have bloated and either the rope broke or branch broke. Or someone cut it down on the Bible says in the Book of Acts that he fell headlong onto the ground and burst open. That was the end of Judas, and many of these things were four Told about him now it's also good for us to point out that he was not a sincere disciple, Jesus said. He was a devil from the beginning. He was also a thief. He also sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver because he wanted the money.
"In the Bible, divine sovereignty and human responsibility are not enemies. They are not uneasy neighbors; they are not in an endless state of cold war with each other. They are friends, and they work together."
- J.I.Packer, "Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God"
Great quote!
How lovely....thank you, and God bless you.
Damn dude! I've been battling that for years. Finally an explanation that makes sense.
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Thank you for this. God bless.
You're very welcome
Thanks for the good work!
My pleasure!
Why didn't Jesus go directly to his crucifiers without involving the poor Judas in the process?? Because he knew his mission from day one that he had been brought in this world to die for the so called salvation of human race. And, what if Judas didn't betray him? Does it mean he could have not fulfilled his mission?
If There was no judas Jesus still would have died for the sins of the world and been resurected.
And agani, can you imagine is Judas excercised hes free will and decised to not betray Jesus, would jesus have died for the World according to the prophets prophesy about hes death?
No, Judas could not have chosen to not betray Jesus. No matter how you dress it up, Judas had no real choice. His betrayal was destined before the big band or even his birth. The other question is, why? Judas saw all the miracles and decided he wanted to burn forever instead?
Thanks, we all have choice
@@RobertFurrow "Thanks, we all have choice". Not really. Let's take belief. I cannot really say I chose what I believe. Beliefs seem to just happen when evidence is convincing. I didn't choose to believe gravity pulls things to the ground. Even though I really want this belief, I cannot choose to believe I'm the sexiest man alive. I've tried. I can pretend, but i cannot choose to believe it.
Sure we have some control over being exposed more to some evidence and maybe believing some proposition, but that is akin to gaslighting or brain washing yourself. I can no more choose to believe Jesus was God as you can choose to believe Jesus was not God without some sort of convincing evidence. What is that convincing evidence? I don't know, but it will be convincing when it happens. I can give lots of examples of convincing evidence, but it seems deities don't like to be tested.
Lastly, claiming people are not aware of their own repression of a believe is silly to me. It is similar to Muslims claiming people chose to take the test of life. It is just part of the test we get our memories wiped when our souls are put into babies.
That was great, thank you! I've always thought free will and predestiny are both at work, especially predestiny with regard to salvation, (5:06), (6:56), but it only confirms that God's ways are above all comprehension. Who has known the mind of God that they may council Him, no one.
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We must not confuse foreknowledge with predestination as the Calvinists do. We must also not assume the heart of Judas and think that he was not a true believer at any point in his life. People are complex, even Christians of today have true faith yet sin.
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Question: You say that Jesus loved Judas. However, are we not told that God hates the wicked in Psalms 11:5 and in Psalms 5:5 ?
Thanks, the word your use for wicked in Hebrew is enemy and it means to become God's enemy
Strong's Concordance defines "wicked" as morally wrong, condemned, guilty, and ungodly. Are you saying that description does not fit Judas ?
He is on the right track. His determination of pre destination makes his conclusions on free will flawed though.
What is your determination of predestination?
"And he predestined Judas according to what he knew the decisions that Judas would made". If God foresee the decisions of Judas is it not predetermined?
thanks Oliver
That would mean you still have free will tho.
@@nazinas21 okay but it would make God look bad
Knowledge does not equate to causation.
Hello Pastorales Robert God bless you. Thanking you kindly for the powerful messages in God's word. The truth is that Jesus foreknew that Judas was exercising his own free will to betray him. The lord never trusted Judas, Judas was a helpless pawn unable to resist the invasion of satan into his life. Foreknowledge not Predetermination. ( Matthew 26:25, Acts 1:16 ESV). Amen. I meet a Judas in my life once and for sure claiming to be a disciple the person betrayed me. So you see I believe in God's grace and protection from any other Judas ' entering into my life again👍.😇🙏
Hi Ivette, thanks for watching and commenting on the videos. We hope you're encouraged and blessed in the Lord.
When I consider the omniscient, and omnipresent, aspects of God, that is to say, knowing all, and, being able to exist in past, present, and future simultaneously, not being constricted by time, or ignorance, God must have foreseen the falling of Lucifer before He created him. I have wondered if there was some correlation between the relationships of God/ Lucifer, and Jesus/Judas? I've yet to find an answer, or even anyone posing the question. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Thanks, I am talking about why God created satan in our study tonight entitled. Revelation 20:1-3 | Why Would God Release Satan After the Millennium? I'll look into this while I'm studying today
Thanks that's a helpful explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
Wow! I always thought that Judas was predestined to betray Jesus. This is because I always thought he was the disciple to criticize the woman who pour the expensive perfume over Jesus. So, I thought perhaps it was Judas and his love for money 💰 that he was chosen for this position of the betrayer.🤔
Thank you Pastor Robert! This is a wonderful teaching! 😄 God bless you. 🙏
Glad it was helpful. God bless!
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know- 23Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you [f]have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; "
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"“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know- 23Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you [f]have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; "
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I would think Judas may have been predestined to betray Jesus - maybe, perhaps? Or perhaps God just knew Judas would do so on his own (without God necesarily ordaining it), due to the conditions he lived in this world and the expectations he had of Jesus. Either way, predestined or not, there is really nothing in scripture to make us have to believe Judas' decision to not repent, and kill himself was part of the plan.
Peter denied Christ and repented, so could have Judas.
Just a thought.
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John17v12 kjv says it all
Scripture fulfilled!
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you contradict yourself heavily 6:13 during this time stamp and before when you mention the football game. it was bad analogy. A better example is if there was a football game and your watching however you paid the refs off for a certain team to win. it would be impossible for the other team to win which takes away that free will. there is no chance the other team wins because the ref would make sure there team wins. same thing with judas there was no free will in that situation he was destined to betray and go to hell. no matter what which is truly unfair and evil for god to do.
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Sir, when you force "foreknowledge" to mean simple prescience, you make God into a soothsayer who is merely a reactionary agent of change.
I disagree. Think about Romans 8:29. If "foreknowledge" has the same meaning as "predestined," then the passage would read, "whom he predestined, he also predestined." Does that make sense? In theological language God is eternal, omniscient, and immutable. He does not "see into the future" since he is not limited by time. Likewise, he is not learning new ideas. We do not say that God is a reactionary agent of change. There is an important distinction between having omniscience and causing people to act in a certain manner. James 1:13-14 is clear that God does not tempt any person to sin, and that it is the individual who is accountable for their own actions. It is inconsistent with Scripture and the attributes of God to maintain that Judas had no real choice. Since God is omniscient, he was not reacting to Judas' actions. Since God does not tempt any person to sin, Judas necessarily had the choice.
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Sir, that's because "foreknowledge" does not mean "predestined."
προγινώσκω (foreknow) is a verb that, when we examine its use in scripture, we see that it doesn’t just mean (indeed, it CANNOT just mean) simply to have an intellectual knowledge of something beforehand like the word “prescience,” primarily because we know that God is not the passive recipient of the knowledge of future events. How do we know this? Because God’s knowledge is identical with His being, that is, the ground and source of God’s knowledge is only ever Himself; that is to say, all of God’s attributes (including His knowledge) are an eternal part of His essential being, that is, because God is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and because He is eternally unchanging (Malachi 3:6), none of God’s attributes are acquired; therefore, what He knows is not a product of time and action, nor is it merely logically deduced. That means that God does not need to look beyond Himself for additions to His knowledge; God is not in the process of acquiring knowledge (Isaiah 40:13-14), for if He were, that would make some aspect of the Creator contingent upon the creation, that is, He would have to learn something; He would therefore necessarily be imperfect and finite. So any view of God's omniscience that must look outside of Himself for its source is necessarily unbiblical. God’s knowledge comes first (Proverbs 8:22ff), all reality then flows as an existential communication of that knowledge.
When we see in scripture that this word (προγινώσκω) is used of God who is the one doing the “knowing,” and when the object of His “knowing” is personal (a person, or a people, as in Israel, cf. 1 Peter 1:20, Romans 11:2, Amos 3:2), it means that God has a pretemporal, intimate, personal relationship between Himself and the one who is known.
Observe Amos 3:2 “You (Israel) only have I known among all the families of the earth…”
Does God only know of Israel on the planet? Is He ignorant of all other people? Of course not. God knows all people, as there is nothing hidden from Him (Hebrews 4:13). What this means is that God only set His favor and affection upon Israel out of the all the families of the earth. This is what the word ‘know’ means throughout the entire Bible - intimate affection. For instance, when a man has sex with his wife, the Bible calls it, ‘knowing’. “Adam knew Eve…” (Genesis 4:1).
“Foreknowledge” in this use then does not refer to God’s acquired knowledge of anything beforehand, rather it refers to God’s setting His intimate affection and favor upon His people beforehand. God intimately chose His people, and this foreknowing is the foundation of His predestination, so if we were to translate the Biblical meaning of foreknowledge into Romans 8:29 it would read like this, “For those whom God intimately set His affection upon beforehand, He also predestined…” And this meaning is in sync with the rest of the Bible, such as in John 10:26.
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You said: *"It is inconsistent with Scripture and the attributes of God to maintain that Judas had no real choice."*
I wholeheartedly disagree. And I will illustrate from the life of Joseph. I'm sure that we can both agree that God ordained that Joseph go into slavery (Genesis 45:8) so that He might, through Joseph, preserve His people that they might become a nation from whom the Messiah would come. Here we see that God intended the action (Joseph going to Egypt) for the glory of God, while Joseph’s brothers on the other hand, sold him into slavery out of jealousy (a sinful act). Here we see in this one act ordained by God, two intentions: God ordains an action and intends it for good, while men perform the action and intend it for evil (Genesis 50:20). And, as we see in Isaiah 10:16, God will judge those who act with wicked intentions even though their actions carry out what He has ordained.
So where do men’s wicked intentions come from?
Proverbs 16:9 - The mind of man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.
Mark 7:21 - For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts…
While God indeed ordains the sinful condition of man’s heart (having ordained the fall, cf. Ephesians 1:11, Romans 8:20, Isaiah 63:17, 64:7), He does not seed him with “the evil thoughts.” Evil thoughts are not a created “thing” to be seeded, rather, they are a product of the mind of fallen man; it is a disposition; a bent; a deed of the flesh (Galatians 5:19); it is an ever present reminder of man’s fallen condition (Ephesians 2:1). The intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth (Genesis 8:21) because sin dwells within him (Romans 7:8ff).
God is sovereign over all and ordains whatsoever comes to pass (Ephesians 1:11, Romans 11:36), and whatever He ordains, because God’s will is perfectly righteous and holy, His intention is always for the glory of God, and His will always serves that purpose. Man’s will however is fallen because of Adam’s sin (Romans 5), and unless his will is captivated by the righteousness of God working within his will to do and to work for the glory of God (Philippians 2:12-13), he will always work out what God ordains for his own sinful purposes (Genesis 50:20), according to his own wicked intentions (Proverbs 16:9, Mark 7:21).
In this way, God ordains (plans/arranges) whatsoever comes to pass, but He is not the author of sin - the existence of sin is in His eternal plan, therefore He has indeed ordained its existence, but he never decrees (commands) individuals to act sinfully; that they do out of their own intentions that have become fallen in Adam (Romans 5). God ordained the action and meant it for good, but men performed the action and meant it for evil. Because men perform the action intending it to fulfill their own sinful desires, although the action itself was ordained by God for His glory, men remain culpable for actions that they perform according to their own wicked intentions. (cf. Isaiah 10:5-11)
You referenced James 1:13-14, and that is absolutely correct, God does not make men evil in order that they might carry out the decrees of God for wicked purposes. All men who are of natural generation from Adam have inherited a fallen nature (Romans 5) and are by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3), and they will naturally act out God's decrees for their own wicked intentions, so, of course God does not tempt men to act wickedly, wickedness is in their nature thanks to Adam’s fall, and every man will be held accountable for acting upon the wicked intentions of his heart.
As it was with Joseph, so it was with Judas, and so it is with all of creation (Romans 11:33-36).
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You said: *"Since God is omniscient, he was not reacting to Judas' actions. Since God does not tempt any person to sin, Judas necessarily had the choice."*
Since God is omniscient and knew that Judas was going to betray Him, how is it that Judas could do otherwise? Judas' actions were made necessary by God's knowledge of them.
We disagree on the causal relationship between God's omniscience and man's actions. It's that simple. Your responses seem to maintain a strong Calvinist theology, and I do not see a strong Calvinist theology being consistent with the whole of Scripture. My major problem with your initial comment is not on our theological difference, but with your straw man statement that I make God out to be a divine soothsayer who is a reactionary agent of change. It's a caricature that is entirely inaccurate. Rather than entering into a lengthy theological debate over whether strong Calvinism is consistent or inconsistent with the whole of Scripture, or into a theological debate on the mechanics of sovereignty, foreknowledge, and free will (which has been debated for centuries without resolution), I pray God's continued blessing on your week.
Have a question not pertaining to this video, If to keep the Sabbath Is a commandment Then we are not keeping the Commandment we are sinning by worshipping on Sunday and not Saturday. Can anyone answer this?yes I know how worshiping on sundays came about,that's the issue a man said to worship on Sunday, that's not what GOD SAID,so Sunday worshippers are sinning?? AN WHY WILL ,NO ONE WILL, ANSWER THIS IN THE CHRISTIAN OR RELIGOUS ARENA'S.
Luke 13:10, and many other scriptures show that Jesus regularly taught and healed in synagogues on the sabbath, obviously people were present to hear his message and be blessed. Jesus never sinned, so he must have kept the commandments perfectly. Therefore, we as Christians can follow in Christ’s footsteps by going to church on the sabbath without violating God’s commandments.
Matthew 4:23; 9:35; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:31; 6:6
If someone rewrites to Sabbath to say something different than the old testament did and then tells someone they are breaking it are they not Pharisees?
You bring up an important topic. The Sabbath of the Old Testament was not only one day per week (which occurred near Friday sundown to Saturday sundown), but also Sabbaths that occurred during Jewish holidays, and Sabbath years. It's important to understand that when a person claims that we cannot worship on Sunday, they rarely (if ever) consider the Sabbath feast days and Sabbath years. In the New Testament, Jesus refers to himself as "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matt. 12:8). Hebrews 4 urges Christians to enter the Sabbath rest. We enter the Sabbath rest by receiving Jesus and walking with him. Paul writes in Romans 14 that some will elevate one day above another in its importance, while others esteem all days alike. He then forbids passing judgment on others for their view on which day or days are appropriate to honor the Lord. Acts 15 records a debate that occurred between Christians who were also Pharisees, and others. The Pharisees wanted all Christians to keep the law of Moses. After the Apostles and James (the half-brother of Jesus) gathered together, James released this statement: "My judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues."
In the New Testament, each of the 10 commandments is upheld and affirmed, with the Sabbath being the exception. The Sabbath has its fulfillment in Jesus, and when a person receives Jesus they find their rest in him. Additionally, and perhaps more importantly, the New Testament is a new Covenant, which replaces the Covenant of the Law. Jesus fulfilled the Law, and through his death and resurrection inaugurated the new Covenant.
Finally, regarding Sunday, it is the first day of the week. Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week (Sunday). The early church gathered together on the first day of the week (Acts. 20:7). And in early church history, the church gathered before the dawn on the first day of the week. There is both Scriptural and early church history precedent for worshiping on Sunday. Regardless, Paul makes clear that Christians are free to worship on Saturday, Sunday, or any day of the week, in accord with their conscience before God.
Judas wasn’t a believer! Satan entered him,Satan can’t enter a Christian
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But didn’t Jesus say to Peter get behind me Satan ,was Peter not a true believer?
You're still falling back to Calvinism sir. It's a complex issue but i believe that God doesn't depend on our will before He executes His plans.
Thanks I'll cover this comment in a Q&A today 2/3/24
According to the Gnostics, each apostle was hand picked before birth.
Pistis Sophia
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If Judas didnt betray Jesus than how would Jesus die on the cross
Thanks Random Guy, I guess we don't know ;-)
If it was not Judas, it could have been another disciple to succumb to greed. The disciples were not perfect,
Never happened. Psalm 41 and Zechariah 11 have nothing to do with Jesus.
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@@RobertFurrow Taking verses out of context is what led the church into gross deception. The beginning of psalm 41 proves it was not about Jesus. Especially 41:4 according to the doctrine of the protestant church. Jesus never sinned remember?
@@RobertFurrow Sorry, I had to take a break.
Zechariah 11 is about a worthless shepherd and Zechariah 12 is about a false prophet.
Just like Isaiah 7:14 was not about a miracle birth given as a sign king Ahaz. According to Christians the only miracle birth was Jesus 700 years later. That prophecy was a sign to king Ahaz.
Like I said, unfortunately taking verses out of context led the church into deception because verses were misapplied in the gospels by lying scribes, as Jeremiah and Paul both warned about.
God warned he would send or allow the church to be deceived by a strong delusion? Why? Because they dont study or read his word. He said he would allow it to see who would be faithful to his word. Deut 13, deut 4,5,6, Isaiah 40-66 proves that what the church has believed for 2k years is a deception of Rome.
Put not your trust in Princes nor a Son of Man in whom there is NO SALVATION. Psalm 146:3.
Hosea 13:4 there is only one savior and thats the Father.
If people would read Isaiah 40:3 using a lexicon they might figure out what happened. LORD in hebrew is the Father, not a man named Jesus.
I pray people will listen.
The 1st commandment means what it says as does the other 6k verses in the bible. Eph 4:6.
Worshipping ANY man as God Almighty is an abomination and the very deception that Jesus warned not to be deceived by. A false image created by the beast, the catholic church. How? By corrupting the NT with lies. Thats why we must rightly divide the logos of truth from lies of the scribes Jer 8.8.
God gave Adam and Eve a choice. No where in the bible does it say that Judas was given a choice. He had to do what he was predestined to do, as Jesus said that scripture would be fulfilled. John 17 : 12
God said "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on who I have compassion". Read Rom 9: 14 -24
Do not deny God his power, for His thoughts are not our thoughts, neither our ways are not His ways.
Isa. 55 : 8-9. Don't be too quick to judge.
It never say he was not given a choice either
You've been deceive for 3000 years. Judas did not betray jesus. At the last Supper Jesus was with his chosen 12 disciples. At the request of Jesus the young disciple expressed willingness to die for Jesus. In the darkenss of the night the Romans came to arrest Jesus, but they did not know what Jesus looked like. Judas who Jesus chose and most trusted and loved, approached the Young dsiciple and kissed him and addressed him as master, fooling the Romans that it was Jesus. In the middle of the night the Rmans beleiving that they had Jesus, the young disciple was crucified. It is not true as depicted in hollywood movies that Jesus or rather the young disciple carried his cross through the street watched by the crowed. The reason is that even the closest to Jesus when they heard the roumer they were too late, the person who is alleged to be Jesus was already crucufied. Jesus was not crucified. If you are to believe the narrative that Judas kissed Jesus to expose Jesus' identity to the romans, you would be an insult to the disciples intellegence, and our intellegence.
Thanks Hilal, How long ago do you believe Jesus lived? There is no evidence that anything you said, When you give a wild story like this one you should at least site some kind of evidence for your theory or just say this is my theory.
Yes, but, Jesus chose Judas knowing he was going to betray him for the purpose of betraying him. There was nothing Judas could have done to change his fate; as Peter said in Acts 1:27, he gave up his place in the apostolic ministry to 'go his place'. If that's not a case of predestination, then the word means nothing. And yet, Judas was fully responsible for his choices; he can't say, as in Paul's hypothetical situation, “Why have you made me like this?” And, as Paul goes on to say, God can't be accused of having committed an injustice.
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