How much does it cost to drive the Ford E-Transit?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- With gas prices at an all time high, we figured we would go over how much we're saving by driving our Ford E-Transit compared to our other gas powered Transits. We have a fleet of 5 Ford Transits. Four of them are gas powered and one of them is all electric. We are located near Kansas City so we are seeing lower than average prices for fuel and electricity. As you'll see in the video, we're saving a boatload of money by driving the E-Transit compared to driving our other gas Transits.
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Difference in cost between a E-transit and a gas Transit is 9k. If you drive 500 miles p/week ( 26k per year) it works out to a break even of 1 year and 3 months.
There is still a $7,500 tax credit on EV Fords. Then the effective price difference is under $2000, making the payoff only a few months.
The MSRP difference is $9k. However, we purchased our E-Transit for $56k compared to the $69k we spent on the other gas Transits we've bought this year. The price of the gas units is wildly high this year.
Here in Denver, CO at $0.115 Per KW/Hour that 500 mile trip would be $27.37 yet as of June 6, 2022 according to Gas buddy the cheapest regular unleaded is $4.29/gallon which for 500 miles would cost $158.73. In Denver as of June 2022 this would be a savings of $131.36/500 miles driven. For a work vehicle that averaged 50 miles per day that worked 240 days per year that would be 12,000 miles per year. That is $3152.64 per year in fuel savings alone. When you add in the 40% less maintenance costs of operation over 100K miles and the fact Ford gives the E transit a 100,000mile warranty vs the ICE Transit's 36,000mile warranty the value really adds up. How could an organization afford to not go electric as long as they had the charging ability and didn't require longer daily drives (120+ miles on a charge)?
I think it's really different on a case by case basis. In a plumbing business, driving from house to house it may be a whole lot different than a business towing a trailer to the same jobsite everyday. I know I've watched some videos on towing with the EV pickups and the results were atrocious. But I do agree that it definitely makes sense in Smedley's case, except when you run it all the way down, get home and get an emergency service call, then you tell your customer I'll be there in 2 hours, put a bucket under your pipes, the van is charging...
@@danob653 Yes of course it has to fit the business model to work. For example I work at a University and for us we drive around to our 90 buildings and to the supply houses for parts but our mileage is really low. This is a great solution for our case or service companies that just don't crank out that many miles. Better warranty, lower cost per mile, etc. etc. The straight economics work as long as your not trying to run your vans 15 years and 300k miles but that would be 20,000 miles per year(and maybe the math would still work out in that case) 76 miles per day = 20,000 miles per year @ 260 work days per year which would result in 360K in 15 years.
Exactly EV revolution is here.
That's how we saw things too!
You forgot batterie degradation… My girlfriend Tesla lost 30% in 7 years! Charger cost and installation ( cost us 1500$ Can)…. Insurance are a lot more expensive for EV (3000$ for my girfriend Tesla vs 1200$ for my honda Pilot)… If you living in a cold region with winter like me (-30’C) you easely lost 40-50% of range( our real life ata)… And you still have to paid for electricity and your vehicule is unuseable when charging… (125$/month for my girlfriend Tesla vs 250$ of petrol for my Honda Pilot) And it’s not true that you save on maintenance with EV… My girfriend Tesla literally eat tire and need new one every 50K kilometer, because EV are very HEAVY (1500$)… We go les often to the dealership BUT it cost a arm each time… Last time was fluid change, brake service and Hvac maintenance… 1300$!! I didnt even put this amount of money in my 10 years old Pilot maintenance!
Great comparison and easy to understand‼️ Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Good information thank you!
Glad you liked it.
Thank you for the comparison. I wish more people would do the actual math and go EV to save money and avoid the volatility of fuel prices. Maybe do a piece on the reduced maintenance like no oil changes and fewer brake jobs due to regenerative braking.
Loving the possibility of fewer brake jobs!
I am sure the electric company would wish everyone would go to EV so they can increase the electricity price with no competition. Ever complain to your water or electricity or your gas company that the price is too high and that you will be switching services?
@@kkutube1972 My electric company cannot, at least in my state, spontaneously increase the electric rate. There is a process that flattens that volatile curve vs gas daily volatility. Also, if I only charge overnight, the rates are pretty low per kWh. Given this, the volatility of the cost of fueling my electric vehicle at night is pretty steady vs gas. I prefer this steady pricing against the volatility of gas any day of the week. My busines loves predictability over volatility.
@@kkutube1972 Keith, he did the math. The power companies would not dare. Roof too solar has them up a tree. I have a decent compact ICE work van. Waiting for a compact work van which is electric.
@@kkutube1972 - An E van gets 4 to 5 times better mileage/$ a 50% increase in electricity would still make and E van a better choice, not even counting lower cost of maintenance, no oil/filter changes, fewer brake jobs.
Thank you very much! Very interesting data. Subscribed to your channel ;)
Thanks!
Great comparison. It is nice to see how it rates. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for making this video! I’m looking into getting these for my Mobile Detailing fleet! I subscribed!!!
Thanks for the sub!
Great information I was looking for this comparison
Thanks!
Thank you so much for bringing us real world information. There are charging losses because the batteries charge with DC power through the onboard inverter. The difference is not crazy so it still makes sense. My apologies if someone else noted this in the comments. Once again, I really appreciate your efforts and bringing it to the rest of us. Best wishes to you sir!
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great video!
Thanks!
Thank you
You're welcome
I have a transit ordered, I have been following your videos and I get more excited to get mine as the real world info you are sharing keeps coming in. Thanks for the great content.
How long did it take from you ordering your "unit"to taking delivery? I am at 9 weeks and still have heard nothing for an estimated delivery date. Thanks again!!
Ordered in early November. Took delivery in late April.
$0.05 per kWh is insane! Good for you guys
Really hoping the next few models get battery capacity bumps. 250mi per charge would be required for me. Looking forward to more videos on the e transit
Thanks!
Those are some good numbers. It would be interesting to see the long term comparison including purchase price and maintenance
Indeed!
Good analysis
Thanks!
Great videos on the e transit, I am in the uk and using your miles per kw/h over 75,000 mile my diesel transit would cost me about £22,000 in diesel, but if it was electric it would be £7,500, saving £14,500 thats approx 18700 Dollars
Diesel is£1.78 a litre and electric is about £0.21 kw/h
If you charge overnight on a decent EV tariff you can get 7.5p per kw/h which would then be less than three thousand pounds.
I am in Spain and it's just the same thing as England
Its Kwh, forget this stupid /.
Pretty interesting to learn the US don't have a Diesel option. 13.5MPG!!! I'd want a AMG badge if I was seeing that #. May I ask what MPG you did your diesel calculation with? I think you used 27mpg - It's worth bearing in mind your probably loaded and driving harder than this test. The UK spec is 35-40mpg for the diesel vans which is £17.3k or £15.1k. We'll need to hope electric prices settle too - although as mentioned night rates are available, for now (maybe not when it's actually peak time with everyone charging!) but just for fun, I just got re-quoted at 0.30 kWh (energy cap) but to fix it for 12months its 0.60 kwh!! Which is £10,700 and £21,428 at 60p. Which means we could actually be paying the same if we don't sort out our energy situation fast. I'd argue we would be paying more to run a E transit than a Diesel too because your not going to get that when it's loaded, your especially not getting that in the winter
Gotta do the math to make sure it works for you!
Nice video!
Thanks!
I got an e-transit sent to me here in Hawaii. Our energy costs are high but I happen to own a rooftop pv system. My e-transit is so affordable. Not as nice as my Kia Niro (ev) but is an awesome van for Hawaii
Very cool!
Very good. Now, how many refills/recharges and how long in time does each take (for the gasoline transit fleet do you include your driver/service person's time since refills are typically on the route - unless you are big enough to have your own fleet site pumps and refill morning or evening still requiring a gas handler to manually supervise the pumping) (for the electric transit fleet - one unit so far? - I presume you recharge at your own location? so essentially no time or worker cost for recharging?) If a customer had their own charging outlet would you discount them if they let you recharge at their location?
Drive daily and charge nightly. It's the only feasible option.
New subscriber here. I've watched the Ford E real world 🌍 review and I gotta tell you it's been such an education. I was already interested before I became aware of your channel. Now with your playlist it makes the decision a more real option. I'm in the trades on the East coast and we get 🌨️ snow. When the time comes could you please do a review of range during cold winter months/if snow tire's are added as well?
We plan to. I doubt we do snow tires. We only have about 5 days per season with heavy snow on the roads.
Hi Mitch, in your opinion based on your experience as business owner and tradesman. I'm buying my first work van Ford Transit my work will at times take me out of state as well as doing local work. Should I go gas or electric ⚡?
@@Rbj4525 for EV to work, the range has to work. If travels are over 100 miles with little time or access to DC fast charging, then I would say the EV is not the best option. If travels are in town and nightly recharging is available, then we are seeing it work well for us.
Good to know
Thanks!
what is the spec of your van that you have how many options did you get also thank you very much for the videos very informative I'm thinking of getting on myself and this is all been very useful information did you roll the cost of the charger and installation in the vehicle when you brought it
Ours is a pretty base model. No 360 camera or adaptive cruise. We do have the pro power pack. We spent $56k on the van and $800 on the charger. Install parts were about $550 and I installed the charger myself.
Thank you for th vids. Quick question: lets say that I am out drving and need to power up, how long willl that take at an EV station? Are stations equiped to charge the battery to a full cycle quick or wouldl it take hours to gain a full charge?
Depends on the station. A standard level 2 station will provide 8-12 miles of range per hour of charge. A DC fast charger will charge from 20%-80% in about 35-40 minutes.
Hiya, enjoying your down to earth vids. There is a bit of blank video at the end of this clip. You should be able to crop it using RUclipss built in editor.
Are you disappointed that Ford didn't include the dynamic 'scales' facility from the F150?
Thanks for letting us know about the blank vid at the end. I'm not concerned about the transit not having the built in scale. We run a fairly consistent load. But itigjt be nice for delivery drivers.
Please talk about the cost of the E Transit versus the gas Transit and how that figures into the overall cost to operate the vehicles
For us, the E-Transit was $20k cheaper due to the high cost of a gas unit in relation to the shortage of gas vehicles.
California is $0.25 for off peak midnight to 3pm … and $0.45 for peak 3pm to midnight ..Ouch😢
Yeah we have cheap energy in middle America
Thank you for all your videos on the E-transit. I ordered mine June 15th and probable won't see it for another 5 months. Was wondering about fast charging stations since I might have to take a trip with it outside the 125 mile range. Have you found the necessity to stop at a fast charging DC station and how long it took to bring it to 100%. The fast charging DC stations here in California are charging $.45 per kilowatt hour. Still cheaper than gas here but was wondering how long it took to charge the E-transit to at least 80% at a fast charging station. Thanks in advance if you can do this. I know I'm not alone to get some idea of DC fast charging stations.
I have never personally hooked mine up to a fast charger but I have a friend who has. He claims about 30 minutes to charge from 20-80% on a DC fast charger.
@@SmedleyPlumbing Question Answered! Thanks!
I love your videos. Thanks for taking the time to give us this info. I am ready to order my ETRANSIT but have a major concern. I am a low voltage contractor similar to you. If we put 25,000 miles a year, the battery warranty will be done in 4 years. Do you have any idea what the cost is to replace a battery? Also, what will the resale value be down the road with an old battery. My 2014 Transit Connect has 186,000 miles and still has value. Thanks again
I'm looking at the battery like most would an engine. Just because the warranty is over doesn't mean the item needs replaced. I don't know the costs but you'll probably save about $20,000 in fuel alone over that 100,000 miles. So you'd still be good. Resale will probably be similar to gas units as well.
The batteries in most newer EVs should have pretty decent reliability, most manufacturers have worked out the issues with thermal management that plagued a number of earlier EVs in the past decade. From a brief look on the Ford parts search site, it looks like the high voltage battery is a $24,000 part at the moment. I think given Ford's use of active thermal management for temperature regulation it's unlikely that the battery in an E-Transit would warrant replacement after 4 years, even if the vehicle was driven 100k+ miles in that time. Eric on the News Coulomb channel had about 7% degradation on his Bolt EV after 4 yr/130k miles back in December 2020.
can you pull up the rear camera while driving and have it stay on thanks
@@charliefreeman4994 no. Only comes on while I'm reverse.
@@SmedleyPlumbing that sucks... thanks for taking the time
Thanks ,i am in Spain,all over Europe the diesel is at $9 for gallon....., And electricity is very expensive too... About the new Ford electric they are not seen so much, I must do really cost in USA? Best wishes and thanks for the info
Thanks for sharing
Valuable analysis! I am wondering how many miles the AC uses while parked? Like how many hours will the AC run on a full charge while parked? Also wondering does the AC uses the 12v battery and lithium charges the 12v battery? Will the vans come with 120v 15amp plugs in the back?
It will give you a readout of mileage reduction while on and parked. AC uses the Li battery but the Li battery does charge the 12v battery. If you order the Pro Power Pack, you get 2 20 amp plugs in the rear and on in the passenger seat.
@@SmedleyPlumbing much appreciated!
How well does the vehicle perform in the snow? I live in the mountains of Colorado and my ONLY reason to second guess buying an e transit is if I can get in and out of customers slippery icy steep driveways. Do you think studded tires would be ok? Would that crush range to the point where it's impractical? Thanks!!
They do great as long as they are loaded. An empty transit doesn't go far in the snow.
I appreciate your calculations and comparison, but - what was the actual kWh input to charge the battery? You got a measured number of gallons for the gas vehicle at the pump. Did you attach a wattmeter and get actual kWh to charge the battery. Thanks, Ed
We used the onboard computer to calculate efficiency for both vans. They are accurate enough for a comparison like this. The chargers are very efficient so the energy loss through charging is negligible.
Central NJ is $4.65 per gallon today 5/25/2022 Exxon; this gas station's location is close to other stations so it is competitive; not a high outlier.
Electricity PSE&G now (May 2022 bill) at $0.18 per kWh after taking away the service fee. It was $0.16 per kWh in the January 2022 bill.
There might be a reduced rate available to use when overnight charging?
Still makes sense to go EV if you can work with the range.
Central NJ gasoline is now $3.25 per gallon today 12/13/2022.
@@johneric98 yeah gas would have to be less that $.050 for it not to make sense here.
Even if you only did 1000 miles a month or 12,000 miles/yr that would be a savings of $3,257.52 adds up fast. Along with all the other oil related savings, fewer repairs so less down time. Wow, thx for video.
You bet!
Please, think about the cost of the battery replacement, I've read it lasts a few years, maybe 4. Ebay has it for $14,000, the cheapest. Am I wrong?
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Probably a dumb question... But I'm considering getting one of these for a 1 to 2 year (or longer) vanlife build. If I put the e-transit charging, can I use the inside outlets at the same time to charge my solar chargers (Jackery/Bluetti)?
No. You can't charge and use the interior outlets at the same time. So you'll need to plan on having separate outlets powered by solar and then use your solar power to van the unit simultaneously.
@@SmedleyPlumbing - charging should be able to occur when the vehicle is in run mode. Give this a try and report out. If you are DC charging, the charge rate may be reduced by the energy used by the heater or air con, and if you’re only AC charging during the cold months, the heater is likely to offset much of the AC charge rate. Either way, I would think that the inside outlets would work in his case, he’d just need to have the van in run mode when charging?
@@SmedleyPlumbing As Dennis Lyon said, I'll bet you can charge with the vehicle on. I don't have an e-transit (yet, I'm ordering it next week), but I have a Nissan Leaf, and from what I understand, it's typical of most EV's to have to turn the vehicle off to start charging, but that once it's plugged in, you can turn it back on. On mine, the power steering won't work, and obviously it won't let you drive it, but all of the other functions still work. I think every time I've ever connected to a quick charger, I've sat in the vehicle with it on while it was charging. It may have increased the charge time slightly, but we're talking a minute or two at the most.
@@float6969 you can turn it on accessory mode. That gives you all audio and climate controls but no driving features.
Is that with the truck loaded down and if so how much weight is in the truck
Check out our other videos for a fully loaded range video. We knew you would ask. 🤪
How does low roof compare to the high roof for range?
It does better since it has less wind resistance.
Thats the way to do it. If you want to know the facts, the REAL facts & nothing but the REAL facts, ask a man who owns one.
The web has MILLIONS of internet experts who do not own one, who have never driven one, who know nothing about one YET,
they present themselves as EXPERTS when in fact they know not. This is especially true of the Tesla simi geeks.
ANYWAY, ask the man who owns one to get the true facts. NEVER ever ever ever ever ever ask a salesman.
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That's the goal! Real info from real users!
My current transit does 40 mpg laden on a 2 ltr diesel
That's pretty awesome! Depending on your electric rates and your daily mileage, you could still stand to save substantial money by going EV.
my questions are,,,how long does it take to charge the full battery,? u said it run 500 miles on a charge?,,im a truck driver,,thinking to get one of thesse,,,but im not sure
They are rated for 106 miles on a charge an they take about 6-8 hours to charge.
Cost per gallon/mpg= cost per kw. In san diego, it costs more to drive ev if you get more than 15 mpg and charge at home.without solar
Well that's California for ya. 😂
Wonder how long is the batteries life cycle...
It's warrantied for 8-years and 100k miles.
That is great news. Are you using full sized Transit or Transit Connect? What was the purchase price? Also, I would like future reports on your maintenance costs of the e-Transit.
Full sized Transit.
Full sized transit. Purchase price was $56,000 and then we'll get a $7,500 tax credit.
Damn you are getting .250 kWh / mile like I am with my Tesla Model 3!
We average 1.9-2.5 miles/kwh on average.
Hiw long dies it take to recharge the eTransit?
Depends on the depletion and the charger being used. Check out our other videos of charge times.
I don't know whats more impressive, the vans efficiency or how much you pay for electricity...
Yeah it's cheap!
Wow, that's really cheap.
How is roadtax there? We have EV running without that. Saving a lot too.
Currently road taxes are collected through our registration fees and fuel tax. So we are also saving there!
To be honest I would use the tier 1, the highest rate for the first 600kWh, or the USA average for energy cost.
That wouldn't be honest. It's honestly costing me $0.05005 per kWh.
@@SmedleyPlumbing I mean that would be more in line with the first 600kWh tier alone as we really don't care about how much your residence uses in itself that places you in that higher/cheaper bracket and then adding on the E-Transit. A safe bet would be looking up the national average and using that instead. I do appreciate though mentioning even if you double or triple the price its still obviously lower than a gas transit by quite a bit. My 2021 I get ~12mpg in the rocky mountains but I couldn't wait for the E-Transit since business was picking up.
LOL, .05 a kwh?? In So. Cal, SDGE rates (these are for Time of Use electric vehicles): .83 on peak, .49 off peak, .28 super off peak (12-6am). Regular customer rates are: .45 a kwh for baseline usage, .56 kwh for anything over 130% of baseline, which is about 350 kwh. Welcome to California
Fuel prices are also dramatically higher as well.
looking at my bill (michigan, residential, about 600kwh/mo) I'm at 0.20/kwh. that's $45/500miles/week. that's $180/month. My 4 cylinder Sprinter gets me about 22mpg combined; that's about $460/mo (diesel cost $5/gal).
If I buy a $60,000 E-transit I'll break even in about 18 years counting just fuel savings 😐
18 years to save you the whole $60,000. But that calculation is based on you being able to keep that Sprinter running forever with nothing but fuel. A new Sprinter is $37k on the low end, it only has to save you about $23,000. I'd also suggest that you probably need to take a look at the options available for your electric bill, I'm in Michigan too. DTE has special billing rates for EV charging that's based on you charging it overnight when there's very low electrical demand, and that off-peak rate is like 11 cents a kilowatt hour. That takes you to about 10 years to save the entire price of the van, or about 3 or 4 to save the price difference between the e-transit and a new Sprinter.
1) if you add in the lifetime costs of servicing, maintenance, etc, the repayment time will be a lot shorter. 2) Most countries have a clean vehicle subsidy of some kind, so you shouldn't have to pay the full 60k. Have a think about the broad picture, and things should look a lot more attractive 😀
You can't factor the $60k of the E-Transit. You have to factor the fact that you're buying a vehicle anyway so you only factor the difference in cost. Then factor the $7,500 tax credit you get for buying an EV.
@@SmedleyPlumbing thanks for the vid, I was going to ask about the tax credit. Have you used Electrify America or another public charger like that? If so, what rate(s) are you seeing with that service?
@@glennkverneland833 we did qualify for the federal $7500 tax credit. We see rates at about $0.45/kWh on public chargers. But we rarely of ever have to use them. Nightly charging at home handles 99% of our needs.
I think at the end of it all it will be just like oil I remember in 1984
U could fill almost any vehicle with15$
I keep hearing different prices to charge cars and each time is higher
Now there's the Tesla battery then every body is going to buy this batterys at what prices 10 to 30k or probably more for your house to charge car over night and the government giving free solar nothing is free from government all it is another raise in taxes we will all see
Imagine basing a decision to buy a vehicle today off prices from the mid 80's.....
You’re only paying 5 cents per kilowatt are you sure completely delivered wow that is dirt cheap
Yeah we're lucky!
Can you name it EVan....