I Was Completely Surprised At How Fast The New Ford E-Transit Van DC Charges!
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I think you should load it up with 3500 lbs and do a range test, driving 50/50 city and highway. Most tradesmen carry around a heay inventory of tools and spare parts.
Uh gerry, IT'S NOT THEIR VAN! It's stated in the video THAT THEY ARE BORROWING IT!!!!
@@superset5 thank you Greg for pointing that out.
Here I was thinking they would be allowed to do a crash safety test after they finished load testing it
Or tools
Did you watch the part around 14 minutes? YOu didn't..
Payload doesn't really affect the range, they tested it, Bjorn Nyland tested it, carwow tested it and they all got the same results. Even from theoretical standpoint payload doesn't realy affect range (maybe 1 do 3 % only) And practical tests that clearly shows.
I'm an electrical contractor in StL. We have a E Transit and it works great. We never drive more than 30 miles in a day. We charge at night. It's been much cheaper to operate this ev than the ice vans we have
Honestly this van is perfect for delivery. Trust me, I did deliveries for a while and our Amazon van never did more than 30 miles a day within town and more than 100 miles in rural areas.
On avg it was less than 15 miles a day within town.
While i do appreciate the cheaper operating cost, the additional capital cost is way too high to consider it as an individual.
I can see only companies like Amazon, wallmart etc buying this over a gas van, since it would have lower down time for maintenance as well
Exactly! Agree 100 %.
That and all the delivery vehicles buzzing around neighborhoods I’d rather they be quiet and not produce emissions.
Everyone focuses on theoretical range, but there's way more to operating fleet than just miles driven.
These vans have significantly less payload than regular gas vans. In this case, over 30% less. If delivery vans are to maximize profits with the same workloads, delivery fleets will need to be over 30% larger than they are now to do the same work. On top of that, it also means over 30% more labor costs, because you'll need more drivers to operate this larger fleet of vans. And on top of that, you'll need over 30% more real-estate to park all these vans.
Never mind the $10,000 upfront cost per unit, the limited theoretical range, or down time for charging, just simple payload alone has ballooned all costs to the fleet operator.
@@AkioWasRight What would you tell those who regularly need less than 3,000 pounds of payload?
@@martyscholes119 In general, I would tell people to buy gas. But, I mean, could some find an E-Transit practical? Sure. But now the market is becoming even more niche than it was before. Basically, the only people it makes sense for are those who don't drive much, don't carry much, have downtime to charge, and are willing to spend $10,000 more per van because electricity is cheaper to them than gas. Maybe something like a campus shuttle.
This does not apply to a large fleet of delivery vans, where maximizing capability is important.
Thinking about a different video that you guys made. It would be interesting to "Measure" how much electricity a camper uses in a 20 hour stay at a campground, compared to how much energy it takes to charge an EV. That would go a long way toward educating RV park owners that they are not getting ripped off.
i own the high top with a ladder rack and loaded with plumping and hvac supplies and went 74 miles round trip on a job that cost me $4.00 temp outside didn't run a/c much but with a/c it was $6.00 on my over night charge compared to my old ice van at $3.86 a gallon would of cost me $21.00 but i was paying over $4.00 a gallon on the same trip
Just fill the back with 3500lbs of batteries!
I think if you're using this for business and you're relying on public fast charging for regular use, you're doing it wrong, just get a gas transit. If you charge at the shop or home every day at
If you had a fleet of these and 480 volt 3 phase at your base of operations you could potentially add a slower/cheaper DC fast charger to fill up vehicles in an hour. Now you might pay more for power with higher usage scenarios depending on how you’re buying power. I’m sure Ford is helping businesses work through these options.
I would love to do an old school conversion van with one of these. 2 rows of swiveling captains chairs with a 3rd row bench that folds down into a bed, plush carpet, panoramic roof, large TV, dorm fridge, etc. Yeah, I know that it wouldn't be practical for a cross country trip, but I think it would really excel at day trips and tailgating events.
You would be better off with the Lightning. The back seat is like owning a mobile apartment.
I tow a 6x10 trailer for band equipment behind the e-transit and instead of the 150 miles of range I usually get I have been getting around 120
It's about 1.8 or 1.9 miles per kWh.
Much better than I thought I'd get.
About 1000 lbs of payload in trailer. Van has about 1000 as well.
Trailer is almost the exact height and weight as van so the aerodynamics has to be important.
Is it really only 68 kWh usable battery pack size? I ask because André did another video with this same van and he put in 13 kWh to go from 80-95% SOC. So do the math that implies the pack is 6.667 times 13 or 86 kWh. Any thoughts since you have one?
@@skyemalcolm there is actually a reserve tank
Mitch smedley drove it until it ran out and he was able to go 12 miles past empty.
Everything about this van is unlike Tesla. They give u best case scenario range while ford gives u worst case.
I have. Tesla model 3 as well.
Ahhh, the famed traveling trombone repair person!!!
We've finally Found you!
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Very informative and enjoyable! Does Ford rent these out to test like you did?
$4.00/mo EA membership knocks the price down to $.31/kWh
Someone literally just pointed out how many Amazon trucks get minor front end damage. Can’t wait to see how the charge port up front handles to abuse 5/10 DSP trucks see on a monthly basis lol
Amazon is buying 100k Rivian van in the US
Plumbers always have pipe and ladders on top which cuts aerodynamics quite a bit. Also 2 wheel drive van in Colorado will need studded snow tires in the mtns which also cuts mileage. I think I will wait for better range before buying this van
plumber on youtube gets 130-140 which he said was fine for him
Silly location for a change port at the front. So many delivery cars get minor damage at the front
Hay 5 guys great we just got one here in my small town
Need to add a ladder rack and 28’ extension ladder. See what the real range is for the contractors.
saw plumber on youtube said 130-140 with load and driving mix
Does the onboard power work when level 1, 2, 3 charging?
I think if you hit the "L" button on the shift nob you change the regen modes.... I think 🤔
I’d be interested in knowing if you buy the home charger 220v at the highest amps possible. How much charge could you get in that same 30-40 minute lunch break back at the shop? Load it with max payload and then do a range test driving around town for us to see how far you get at max payload before you need to recharge please. Ty.
The 220v chargers with the very highest amps (60) would deliver about 9-11kW per hour. That would give you about 5.5kW during lunch break. See the other comments about efficiency impact of payload elsewhere in the comments.
@@vlad2838 you need to check your math. 60amp * 220v = 13.2kW. But charging speed depends on the onboard charger is limited to 48amp, so only ~11kw.
Generally speaking, you mostly use 220/240 charging during night time. If you need to charge during day time you stop at a DC charger.
It’s unfortunate that Ford is currently limited at around 150kw DC charging where a lot of brands already offer 250kw or more. 150kw DC charging is 10 year old tech 😕
Really Love this EV Van, We have the Transit Gasoline, Very Reliable and decent MPG, this EV needs atleast 160 to for a typical plumber or delivery person, like the fact that it has less stuff to go wrong unlike the rivian van where it keeps track of drivers personal habits lol
You need to take this camping at a park with RV/Trailer power hookups
nice that there's a USB on top of the dash... but it'd be better if there were one under/near the mirror, for a dash cam. dunno how much courier services use them, but...
300 miles from that kia is pretty good. Way cheaper running costs for doing in town Lyft than an ice vehicle would be. Ford needs to work on charge times. Especially for working vehicles. Time is money and every minute they charge is a minute they aren't fixing ac or plumbing.
I think 90-100 kw battery will do it. The larger the battery the higher the price. We need better fast charging more than huge amounts of range
sadly that adds cost and reduces payload
As a fleet vehicle, it's a no brainer last mile delivery vehicle. Ford knows this.. Next time amazon or DHL orders vehicles almost positive these will be in the short list.
I think for those wanting that van life, this is the perfect option... no extra batteries, and solar could be optional
I think a factory option ford solar roof with a confort air/heat in the back... call it the van life package and charge 5-10k for it
sadly not going to able to add solar to charge the battery due to voiding the warranty. Proberbly best to have extra batteries anyway to power campervan equipment so as not to further reduce range.
I know a business that delivers parts to workshops and industry. Two rounds a day with max 200km each and 1 to 1.5 hours break. Ideal for a transporter with 300km range. They use diesel engines now and run them up to 400000km app or 250000 miles. I do have seen a transporter with 400km range, but it cost a bit more.
I wish that Ford was able to match the charging speeds of the Korean eGMP vehicles, high-end German vehicles, Tesla, etc. Especially on the Lightning.
comes down to extra charger costs and cooling needed
@@markreed9853 I guess. The Lightning has an extra a/c compressor to cool the battery pack if you spec the towing package. Can't really see how it would be obstructed there.
@@chunkychuck just extra cost for faster charging equipment maybe then or worries over battery damage? There must be a reason otherwise it would be done.
What interests me aout this van is if it would ever be converted to a regular passenger van. I have 2 kids and 2 not small dogs. Util recently, there was only the model x that could accommodate. Now, there's the Lightning, but it's pricey, plus I want the dogs in the same airspace (so I can tell them to quit barking, etc.) There's also the Rivian (but again $$). There's lots of great 5 door EVs now available, but they tend to have that steeply raked back window, so fitting the dogs is out. If only there was a Subaru Outback sized EV... Until thn, something like this van could be an option. Not for road trips, but across town trips, with all of us.
Did anyone at Ford say whether they're going to offer a larger battery option?
I doubt it, reduces payload
Some DSP drivers are in here trying to claim their routes can be handled within this trucks quoted range, however living in municipal Arizona driving over 150 miles a day as a DSP driver, I would say this tech is still currently a bust - especially with temperatures reaching 110f during the day normally…
I would say your use case is absolutely the outlier. Three friends owning businesses-plumbers, HVAC, and a courier in a metropolitan area-tell me their drivers fall well within 100 miles/day. And they’re absolutely interested in the value proposition of buying this unit.
I worked delivering for x company we didn’t really get any lunch breaks. 300-400 stops per day won’t give you much time to take a 30-45min lunch break
sound like local delivery so range would be nearer 150 which when I was a driver would have been more than enough
Really wish it had more range!
You should do an update with the new 89 kWh battery and test all three on the range anxiety Challenge
I guess the question is what is the range under load.
Smedley Plumbing has videos up showing the range under load, with 2,000 lbs of plumbing gear. It gets something like 150 miles when empty, and about the EPA rated range when fully loaded, as best I recall.
8:24 Rivian Superchargers will by only available for Rivian vehicles.
Only the DC fast chargers, not the 220V destination chargers
The way most delivery van drivers drive their routes, they’d be getting about 50 miles. Those guys floor it everywhere then slam the brakes 10 feet from the stop sign
The gas van will be best for most applications....but funny enough, for my job the EV version would be perfect....the route I drive is only 2 miles round trip and I am just picking up people. The gas powered vans keep breaking down and they struggle with the hills...and one of the vans is relatively new. If we got 2 EV vans we could charge one while using the other....but my workplace is too cheap to buy them, even though they could more than afford them and would save them money in the long run...oh well.
How much per mile? I have a full size pickup with the 2.7L and premium sounds cheaper, but I understand a van would have the larger motor and get worse mpg. Still, 10k sticker price difference pays for a lot of maintenance.
Hmmm, rough back of the napkin numbers:
Gas 350 van, $100 fill-up, 300 miles. That's 3 miles per dollar or 33 cents per mile.
E-Transit, full charge at home about ten bucks, 125 miles loaded (users are reporting 150 miles without payload is typical, depending on use). That's 12.5 miles per dollar or 8 cents per mile, fully loaded.
If you drive it one hundred miles per day, 250 work days per year, that's 25,000 miles each year. Gas van, $8,250 fuel, plus oil changes and other maintenance. E-Transit, $2,000 fuel with no oil changes or other maintenance. That's more than $6,250 saved PER YEAR.
Let's say only 10,000 miles per year. Gas van, $3,300 plus. E-Transit, $800. That's more than $2,500 saved PER YEAR.
So you're making money after two to four years. And that's not counting all the other benefits. If you keep it for ten years, you come out like $15,000 to $30,000 ahead on fuel, plus maintenance savings of possibly another several thousand.
These numbers will vary by location, but the gist is pretty clear.
@@davidmenasco5743 yep and all these same kind of numbers can be run on gas cars vs electric cars. EVs make more sense financially if you’re pounding the miles out. Any EV that’s a garage queen and doesn’t get used and offset a gas car’s carbon and dollar footprint is not doing the owner or the environment much good.
@@davidmenasco5743 figuring about 20,000 miles/year based on Ford’s 74 miles/day number and my electric versus regular unleaded cost I just looked up charging at home would cost half gasoline so it would take ten years to make up that $10k premium. And full synthetic oil change every ten thousand miles and plugs twice is going to be way cheaper than replacing the battery after…it’s not going to last ten years and 200,000 miles.
I like electric motors. Batteries not so much.
@@explorervango880 I guess we'll all find out soon enough how long they last. Certainly there are many Teslas now that have exceeded 200,000 miles. And believe it or not there are many Leaf owners who rave about their ten year old cars (mostly in the UK).
So, let's say you've broken even after ten years, and now you need a new battery - perhaps your range is now too low to fit your use case. So you shell out $20k. Now you have effectively a new drivetrain, ready for another ten years, at a fraction of the cost you paid the first time. In the meantime, here are the benefits that you and your family, neighborhood and community have realized, at no cost to you:
No time wasted at gas stations.
No time wasted at the garage for maintenance.
Lowered driver stress from noise vibration and harshness.
No more laggy acceleration of a gas motor.
No more gradually self destructing transmission slipping and grinding.
Much less noise pollution in the neighborhood.
No air pollution in the neighborhood poisoning you and your family.
All this at a total cost which, worst case, is the same as you would have paid for the old dinosaur burner. I think a lot of people will see that as a worthy investment.
Speaking of which, I suspect that in a few years, that old battery will be worth good money even if it's totally kaput. Maybe more than the resale value of a gas van with 200,000 miles.
@@davidmenasco5743 don’t know what they use to make electricity on your world, but there is a coal burning power plant five miles away and they still have a hard time keeping the power on whenever we have weather.
I do have an electric lawnmower-I like electric motors, but they aren’t fueled by fairy dust and unicorn farts.
1/2 hour for lunch? Damn Roman you are so 20th century in your expectations. On another point, how far does a plumber drive in a day?
7:02 Never forget
Why does Ford factory only fill the coolant to the minimum levels?
To save money. The customer is expected to top it off.
I wonder why such a large Van has a relatively small battery.
Additional batteries are heavy, so perhaps it's to permit high payload in a vehicle that is only be expected to be driven less than 100 miles per day.
Also they can sell twice the number of these using 1/2 the batteries with the smaller pack than if they’d gone with a 116 kWh pack. For early adopters it’s probably easier to justify the price/profit for everyone involved with the decision they made. You can not please everyone no matter what EV you’re talking about especially playing MSRP vs range.
I'm paying $21 for 100 miles in diesel ⛽ F150.
And diesel is sky Hi now. I'm even with the Van.
Have the charging port in the front could make it hard to charge if your company requires you to back into parking spaces.
...just need a longer cable fitted - can get 10m for a home charger here!
With so much roof surface they could fit some significant solar panel capacity.
not enough to charge the van for driving as not worth it BUT for use as a campervan may be worth it.
@@markreed9853 or of setting the hvac usage
@@EVAddicted just for that the ROI would take forever - manufacturers will miss a screw if it saved them 5c!
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5 Guy's is out of control
How about an RV version! Cover the entire floor behind the front seats with batteries (to increase milage), too motors, AWD, 9-inch clearance, open shell and let people build out what they want.
Ford used the ICE chassis so proberbly won't take the extra weight without mods and would reduce range even more
The charge port is in a terrible location. It will get covered with slush and ice in a winter storm. Why not just put it where the fuel door is?
I guess we'll see what the experience is. My guess is they put it in front so if you have a fleet with lots of these, all parked in a row, you don't have cables going everywhere but can just put a row of chargers in front of the parking.
The true question is how much is the extended warranty
Will a EV let you move with the charge cable attached?
no
@@jakebenson1874 thanks, am in for a EV so am watching and learning
Nope. I have volt and it won't let you move the shifter while it's plugged in
Went for my first ride in EV car the other day in the bosses car to get coffee. BMW i3 .. real small car... fast..
Worst part was when he called 5 Guys “burgers and hot dogs”
If you are a tradesman charging during your lunch break, it is probably not a good idea to spend 30-45 minutes to charge to 80%. Instead it would be better to spend only 10-15 minutes to charge only enough to finish your day, and then charge overnight to 90-100% at lower rates.
...just plug in all day on the job and its free!😂😂
When are these restaurants going to start charging less for simple meals like that. That’s crazy for a family of five to eat. Lol. Or 2. Just nuts.
It’s amazing that this brand new van with Fords latest tech is has similar EV performance (battery size and charging speed) as a 10 year old Tesla Model S. Decent EVs charge at twice the speed and have larger batteries then this van.
I hope Rivian will start selling their van and that at some point Tesla will offer a van and will push legacy van manufacturer to produce better EV vans.
Hey I was right on the money that you got paid $21.50 when told me how much you had left in van. Thanks to me a electrician
WOW 21 dollars to drive 80 miles what a steal! thats equal to $3.81/mile. ridiculous!
Not really that much cheaper than my gas transit if you factor in only getting 100 miles of range. That's like only filling my van only to 1/4 or 1/3 tank which would cost a similar amount.
You forgot about maintenance on the van!
The cost per mile is much cheaper. Try providing some numbers for reference
@@gmv0553 you forget about ever day down time of you have to charge it mid day.
You are also spending more money on tires because of weight and your suspension components still wear. Now instead of a $10 motor replacement you are dealing with a 30K battery replacement. Not much savings.
Time = money. But for a van, payload also = money. A regular gasoline Transit 350 has up to 5,100lbs of payload. So, 3,400lbs is more than 32% less payload, which means 32% less $$$ that it can carry. Think of that as 32% more to have items delivered, because a E-Van will need to work 32% more to do what a regular gas van can do.
Yes if the payload is heavy and that's the industry you are working in. But for a lot of other small businesses the weight isn't an issue since the payload isn't that heavy. It just takes up a lot of space. I work within the wedding industry and know of all the types of vendors that can really benefit from an EV van such as live bands, flower companies, cake shops, etc.
So the point is an EV van or any EV is not meant to be the best solution for all situations. But there are plenty of situations where EVs really shine over gas since gas isn't obviously not the best solution for all situations either.
@@ElectricGlider2016 I'm sure there are some industries were it would work, but it's just niche markets.
Not only do you have payload limitations, you also have driving limitation due to shorter range and longer charge times. That means the only people who benefit from this would be people who don't drive much, don't carry much, have no GVWR limitations, and that can deduct the cost, because the initial cost is higher and would need the deduction for it to make any financial sense.
So yes, it's not the best solution for all situations. I don't even think it's the best solution for most situations.
Would you want to pay an employee to stand there for this idle time? I how long did it ultimately take to charge?
Hi there mr Jeff Bezos. Yes you would be unhappy to know that technically you are paying for my "idle time"
Which includes lunch breaks and short toilet breaks.
I know you want me to pee in a bottle, but it's not allowed as per law
@@nujjigram In many areas, food and chargers aren't in the same location. That means the driver must walk, which drivers will not put up with, or they will need to make two separate stops, which means time and money from the employer either way.
I would be equally annoyed to pay for someone driving it to a gas station and fill it up when instead they could just plug it into the shop charger each night.
@@AkioWasRight if you are talking about Amazon employees. We go on a round trip. No chance we are stopping random places to eat up. So a charging bay is pretty much fixed.
Independent contract workers like plumbers are a different category. For whom this probably won't work out financially
@@nujjigram or contractors would go through the drive-through and eat in the hvac controlled van at the charging station?
What's even worst is the pitiful range is when it's empty and not running accessories like the a.c.
Not exactly accurate. The range is rated with payload, and many contractors are reported well over the rated range in real-life use.
I’ve hear reports of getting 170 mile range. I’m tempted to buy one
If the gas version did 15mpg and at 109 miles, with $3.50 gallon for gas, it would cost a whopping $5 more to go the same distance. I think its worth the $5 not to have to wait for 40 minutes to charge and I can at least double that range with a gas version. It will take a LONG, LONG time to pay the additional cost for electric. SO, if you never go anywhere far enough from home to force charging anywhere but home, it MIGHT pay for itself..........but I doubt it.
I average 9-10 MPG in mine at work.
My route is 2 miles only...EV would be perfect. Also, something not mentioned in this video.....the gas engines in these vans are pure JUNK, the old Econoline vans had much better engines.
Yeah the transit 150 I drive daily is hog too. It takes around 80 bucks to fill up every 6 or so days and it's a 2020. It's not my company so whenever they switch us to electric vans and put in the infrastructure to charge at the shop I'm game.
This need to be a passenger van with awd, 300 mile range
So … a completely different type of vehicle in almost every way? Lol.
Most of these vans are rear wheel drive only. They do suck a bit in the snow without good tires but that can be said probably for most rear wheel drive vehicles.
Full of cakes or Iced Tea and your range will go down to 50 miles per charge, that's great.
Range was given fully loaded.
I can supercharge my Tesla to full and eat lunch than it used to cost me to fill my Charger Scat Pack in California.
at 43 cents kw, you might as well drive gas for $10k less and unlimited range
If you are a member it is .31 cents per kwh. Roman should know that they just road triped the lightening.
Kwh kw is power kwh is usage dont you ever look at your electric bill ?
When did American take away food become so expensive?
Open front hook I am surprised with the layout of the pipes and cables. It’s laughable how it is built. Looks like someone retrofitted in their garage.
116 miles is not very far
It's much further than most commercial vans drive in a day, per Ford's research.
Don't pay the driver the time they are sitting there waiting for the charge to finish.
Battery is to small. Should have the same as the f150
So it is alright for Jeep to build on pristine and undeveloped land? maybe put a Taco Bell next to their chargers?
Or maybe develop the land for fracking so we can pump more oil🤦
You mean like a parking lot of the visitor center of a National Park? or the parking lot at a trailhead?
Not worth the money at all until they improve the milage. 150mi does not go far especially if you have to be on the road often. A lot of lost profit sitting charging 2 or 3 times a day.
If you think range is the issue in this van, then clearly you haven't done deliveries before
@@nujjigram I do not, but There are chargers where I work and I see the same ford electrical delivery van charging multiple times a day. From a logistics/cost standpoint where I have experience, I see that as loss profit.
I Can almost Bet about $25000
116 mile range 🤣🤣 is that a viable range? In cold weather that's going to drop.
$10k buys a lot of gas.
Great camera work at the charging station, we could all see the chargers screen, not!
Payload doesn’t effect range???
Ummmm
I don’t think Jessica understands plumbing very well.
Normally I enjoy your videos but WHY Would you video a highly reflective surface such as a charger screen WITHOUT using a POLARIZER (or a CIRCULAR POLARIZER) on your Camera lens to cut down or even eliminate reflections? If your camera person doesn't know about these devices have them enquire at a camera store! Dude- At least shield the screen with a dark cloth or even cardboard to cut back the reflections if you don't do anything else! (Has anyone reviewed this footage before posting?)
i think Roman was confused is he talking to Jessie or Jessica 😜😂
I am a vanlifer, and am dieing to get a E sprinter. They are impossible to get thats the problem. I think the lowish range on it isnt a big deal for a vanlifer, unless for some reason you enjoy driving all day. I dont understand why some vanlifers do that. To me its about enjoying where you are at, and then enjoying the next spot that is a few kms down the road. This van would be awesome for my use case.
Doesn’t seem to make economic sense. You added 97 miles of range at a cost of $21.50. Assuming the unladen ICE Van gets 18 miles per gallon, if you pay four dollars a gallon your cost would be $21.55…
Typical owners would charge at home/business overnight for far lower per-mile costs. Most users wouldn't need to charge at a public station, given the duty cycle for most vans of this type.
@@JonathanEzor That’s not my experience. The typical contractor in Southern California drives more than 80 miles a day (and doesn’t drive unladen) and doesn’t have time to run home to charge on a level 2 charger. He will also not want to pay half an hour’s wage for an employee to charge his van.
@@PtBm2975 delivery drivers like myself don't drive more than 30 miles a day.
The best I've done is 100 miles in a rural area
It ain't necessary for us
@@nujjigram I wasn’t addressing local fleet-delivery use. This van is being promoted as a Pro (independent) contractor van, by Ford and by this video, not as an urban delivery van.
Gas is just has cheap and far less time. It uses 6.625 gallons on average per 100 miles at about $3.50 a gallon here in Kentucky is $23.19.
Unless gas is more than $5 per gallon, I think most people will keep the ICE vehicles. We travel a lot so ICE is still my choice due to range. 10K difference is a lot of gas.
So 100 miles of range for $20? It costs me like $50 to fill up my car and get 400 miles. And that Van is empty, I'm shocked it's so expensive, I thought it was like $5 bucks to charge an EV. What a complete rip-off.
How much does a plumber make in an hour? Charging the van is a lot of time they can’t bill customers. Home services will cost more to make up the difference.
In all likelihood it will be charging all night, or all day if they work at night. I just had plumbers work on my house, they make a lot
@@Flash1857 I was thinking of a business owner paying his employees while they sit and charge because you know some are going to milk it every chance they get. I have seen people getting a couple gallons of gas for twenty minutes to drag their feet and make the OT.
I wonder what the range would be like with a full load
100 miles. He mentioned it in the video
116 mi range means since you are never supposed to charge over 80%, this vehicle’s actual range is +- 76 mi and probably much less. That’s not much, hardly worth the price.
It actually depends on the battery chemistry. If it has LFP batteries, they should always be charged up to 100% if possible.
@@Chsae314 OK. I was going on my experience with my Ioniq5 that has a theoretical range of 303 mi. I have it set to only charge to 80% which gives me a range of 215 mi. Never higher than that. Mathematically, 80% of 303 is 242 but like most MPG ratings, that is just a pipe dream.
@@glenngore6609 It is fine to charge to 100%, but you shouldn't let it sit there. So if you're going to use a lot of range in a day, set the timer to achieve full charge an hour or two before the day starts. But 60-80% is a good charge limit for days where you're only going to use a small part of your total range.
You are wrong mate! The CLEARLY stated in the video that thex measured 2.7 miles per kWh in the city and 2.4 miles per kWh on a roadtrip. This van has 68 kWh of battery. So the ACTUAL range on a roadtrip is: 2.4 miles per kWh x 68 kWh =163 miles. 80 % of that is 0.8 x 163 miles = 130 miles. So 130 miles charged during lunch break and 163 original miles charged a home on top of that gives you 130 miles + 163 miles = 293 miles. Almost 300 miles with just charging it during lunch time. That is VERY good, most of the van drivers don't need more range in 1 day 99 % of the time. If they do need more range a couple times per year they can just do 1 half hour charging stop in the middle of the day, but that would be needed only a couple time per YEAR.
@@glenngore6609 Understood! My model Y has the more common NCA battery chemistry, so I also avoid going over 80% unless I'm going on a road trip. LFP would probably be ideal for this type of vehicle because the lower energy density matters less for this size vehicle. Charging to 100% would maximize what range it does have. Plus, IIRC, LFP batteries handle cold temps better than other chemistries and handle more charging cycles. That being said, I have no idea which battery chemistry Ford is using for these vans hahaha
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So about 20 bucks for only 100 miles of range? Seems pretty terrible. I would much rather pay 60 bucks and get at least 300 miles then having to keep charge all the time.
You aren't doing deliveries like me to understand how much 100 miles is worth on a daily cycle
@@nujjigram well $20 for 100 miles. What would that be in gallons of gas? If your car gets 20mpg isn’t that like…5 gallons of gas? That’s $4 a gallon right? Doesn’t seem much cheaper than gas currently when over here it’s about 3.80 a gallon
@@Ghost-jy9hk i pointed out in another comment..and I'll try my best to repeat it again here
The operational savings are significant enough to consider it. But not for individuals like me, it's for the companies like Amazon, wallmart etc. who can afford the additional capital cost of 10k.
Makes sense for them . Not me
@@nujjigram I can agree with that it’s probably a lot less on maintenance and stuff and that really adds up when you think of economies of scale and having hundreds of trucks on the road.
So fully loaded this thing might get 80 miles per range sweet
Why didn't you bring up the fact that it only costs $4 a month for EA membership and you get it down to 31 cents a KW? It's not that hard to do and yet you didn't. Why?
absolutely useless for contractors. add in the price and it's obscene.
if you were a plumber , you would know it is shit only 116 miles , Ford can't sell us BS until they get the range up , period
when this is loaded down with payload, that range will drop significantly
you have no idea the weight of a plumbing truck and how much power your gonna lose in the winter ... electric vehicles are a toy ... the answer is hydrogen
Consider this cost. In an ICE vehicle, you drive up to the pumps, you buy your gas and you drive away. You pay 40-50 bucks a tank full. You go to a charging station, you have to wait around for 20-60 minutes. You get bored, you go buy food for 20-30 bucks maybe buy some other junk that you would not have done at a GAS station, then spend another 20-30 bucks on the EV charge. Did you really save money? 😉
Or you can just charge the vans overnight, while everyone is sleeping because sleeping is a necessity. And you will never have to spend any valuable minutes at any gas station ever again. P.S. don't forget the urinal portable!
I never do that i do go in walmart and get what i need for home
Is Jessica a dude?? 😂😂
Only 200 miles, ford e transit is a joke 😂
Ah yes. A 45 min lunch 15 min down the road using more power to eat in a Walmart parking lot.
Doesn’t seem appealing at all.
A? Just get the lunch with you or stop at the charging station that have your favourite Mcdonalds or whatever nearby. Problem solved. To save 60.000 € in 15 years on fuel is worth it.
@@drister007 😂😂😂 $60,000 is enough fuel to drive 900,000 miles. Try again.
You’ll be putting several 30K batteries in that thing by that point. 900,000 / 100 miles daily range or if you have to detour and charge 45 min a day it’s 200 hours a year lost. Not worth it. I can put 700 mile of “range” in my truck in a couple of min at a fuel station and be set for days.