My opinion, it is good for consumers, however for each car you sell, you'll have to produce 1.3-1.5 battery and battery is the most expensive part of the car. Not to mention you'll have to have workers maintaining those machines, the cost is hugely added. That's why I personally feel NIO can't go bigly like Tesla's scale, and in the tech industry, the big one eats most of shares, like TSMC, Apple.
Only 3% of Chinese housing are single-family houses. Most people live in condos and apartments, it's extremely scarce for Chinese EV owners to charge at home overnight. Unlike the U.S., this is why NIO pushes battery swapping.
though many Chinese lives in apartments, most of them will buy an underground parking spot which means that it’s feasible to install charging gears. I just think that the meaning of this battery-swapping technology is to keep the value of your EV in the long run when using it.
Chinese drivers also tend to drive much shorter distances, with city driving being very low speed. Electric cars are super efficient for that use case and don't require frequent charging
yes and no, to have swap stations you would have to mass produce a surplus of batteries to have on hand. This surplus of batteries will depreciate as newer batteries are created. The amount of work and resources to maintain this pool of batteries to have on hand could be too costly.
BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.
@@Liu-pm1np to inflate the bubble. My grandparent saw the 08 crash 01 dot com japan 1990 bubble he said this is the same. EV bubble many people are going to lose 70% of their wealth for 4-5 years at least and many will sell low.
BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.
Wow, I like Nio's idea a lot. The most depreciated part of an EV is its battery. It's gonna be very very competitive if the battery replace is widely adapted.
@@anandisrocking007 then sell your car and get a brand that doesn’t require subscriptions. Or simply choose to buy the battery. People aren’t stupid and the manufacturers know that.
@@anandisrocking007 then just don’t change the battery and recharge it like a normal EV. If I’m not mistaken, owners can still just plug the car in and recharge it right?
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The battery swapping technology is really interesting but i think Tesla dropped it because it is difficult to scale as its much more expensive to setup than a charging station
In china big city like Shanghai Beijing Shenzhen, most people don't have their own parking spots. So super charger only is not a solution to electric car.
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I agree. In my opinion, their consumer base is different. Tesla’s cars are like Corollas to me, while Nio’s cars are like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes. I own a Lexus - I’m a premium vehicle user and I’m not willing to buy a Tesla or a Corolla for that matter. I care about the experience and quality too much. I would in a heartbeat buy a NIO if they were in the US.
@@nilemiles7265 I'm excited for when NIO does expand to the US! CEO (Mr EQ) William Li Bin talks regularly about being a global brand. First premium brand ever from China=💰💰💰 in my opinion
BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.
@@Liu-pm1np Imao, BYD is not a premium brand, of course they sell more. Besides, they are a traditional manufacturer, if they not offering the same technology that Tesla or Nio provides, they will eventually become a manufacturer or battery provider eventually.
Nios patented battery swap is in 4 of the 5 recently approved standards in China. And with the battery asset management company Nio recently formed with catl, will supply the nation’s automakers with swappable batteries.
Out of the three major advantages for battery swapping, i rank them this way in terms of its value created 1, Range is no longer a fixed (and depreciating) spec of your car. You can always choose to upgrade to the latest battery technology without changing the car 2, it enables Baas model that widens TAM and the subsequent recurring revenue (say a car lasts 15 yrs and Baas breaks even at 6th yr) 3, last one and most people only talk about, get a full recharge in 5 mins
This goes back to a cultural thing. Americans are more individual-centered, so buying a car needs your own battery. Chinese are more flexible towards owning something, yet having part of it being public. The battery sharing model might be very good in offseting the depreciation in value of the battery pack, by which you would have to exchange your whole Tesla. Both interesting prospects indeed.
Yup markets evolve for different needs not exactly a 1:1 comparison between American and Chinese markets will be interesting to see how both adapt to ev's
@Mellio Kuang and also because the Chinese know how dangerous global warming is, they experience it first hand, and thus want to help reduce their own impact.
@@somguynamedpaul Charging your car for hours standing in queue in populated China might not sustain in the long run. Thus NIO will eventually create more buyers.
People outside of China have no idea how good China car services is, not only NIO , back to 2010, most of car companies already have another level compared with The west today . In China, car services, insurance companies do everything for you , and always show up within 30mins even 4am in the early morning. They drive a car to you and send car back once repaired, you don’t have to do anything.
This is insane. What NIO is doing is really impressive. This can work amazingly in Asia. But I still believe NIO cars are very expensive. Even Tesla has cheaper options!
People are forgetting this technology also significantly reduces the cost of repair for a battery. I honestly can't see a future where battery swapping isn't implemented in EVERY car.
EVs have 2 main battery issues that conflict with one another. People want faster charging times. But the faster a battery charges, the shorter the lifespan of the battery. Battery swapping solves both these problems.
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It's really not charge rate that causes degradation it's heat caused by a faster charge rate. If you can make a cooling system to manage the heat and keep the battery in its optimal range you can avoid most degradation
How do you know the integrity of the battery you swapped into? Seems like high cost to maintain the batteries and the swapping stations. Will this be passed onto the consumer?
@@Cars-N-Jets For the integrity concern, you can swap to another battery anytime time you want, next day,next week, so this wouldnt be a problem。 The cost of running such big network and always have extra batteries could be a big burden on company operation.
@@MrSandChess Well for a battery swap you need double the batteries that are currently on the road if you want to do swapping. Making enough batteries is already an issue. Not to mention the battery density and cost of Teslas batteries are lower. So for your money you'll be getting more range with a tesla.
The China EV market will be the most exciting one for decades to come. It is thrilling to watch NIO & TESLA compete & grow. It also demonstrates the PRC government supports open markets when innovation and creativity occur for the good of society. Please keep making videos like this every 6 months so that everyone can be entertained.
@@xhafts The NIO is cheaper in cost, you jack hoff. www.financialexpress.com/auto/gallery/nio-es8-suv-meet-teslas-chinese-rival-with-500-kms-range-at-half-the-cost/photos/981482/2/
You can drive away with a battery fitted in, but still owns by the company. If the battery got damaged at some stage then the car owner will pay for the damage only.
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For the Nio owners, the good thing is they don't need to choose between charging and swapping. they will always have both and the latest battery technology.
Battery swapping is a necessity for China, because most Urban Chinese lives in Apartments their building might not have the space for personal charging station. or the infrastructure might be too old. Necessity is the mother of inventions. Battery swap is the future, imagine a smart city filled with Internet of Things where everything is connected. Connecting cars with everything else. roadside cameras can communicate with autonomous cars helping it to plan the least congested route. Battery swap stations can also act as mini power storage stations, recharging during off peak periods and, releasing some stored electricity during peak usage hours. China in the future will be the center for this sort of innovation, Huawei is already moving into the Vehicle to everything operating system, Their HiCar system for smart EVs is like Android for Smartphones. Zoomed out, this type of smart IoT can be extended to entire cities, where the a Smart City can efficiently manage traffic, electricity generation and services.
I live in a Shanghai apartment complex. There are tons of personal charging hookups. Tesla did our first one for free. It hooked into the wall right behind our underground parking spot.
@Andres Leon most pre2000 buildings are owned by older generation, they got the apartment before 1980s when government assigned apartments to workers. And I highly doubt those people are gonna purchase an eclectic vehicle. Most nio owners choose swapping batteries probably because there just ain’t many nio charging stations around the city. But Tesla on the other hand has way more users than nio in China so charging station is more common.
@Andres Leon Tesla owners are far more than nio owners. Most of them installed private charging station that sure means most owners have private parking spot. Most people live in apartment complex with private parking spot. And any buildings post-2000s have parking lot so the numbers of people can have a charging station is still raising. Even though battery swapping is a good idea, but for companies building some charging station is just easier to maintain
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@@henryeghaghara9385 Yup man better battery tech and faster charging stations are a much better choice than this battery swap tech can't wait for solid state batteries to finaly reach consumer devices !!!
@@henryeghaghara9385 ok, I agree that we should invest in battery tech, and this does look quite controversial, but it is a unique step in a right direction
Why? The empty batteries get charged and put in another empty battery NIO car. The benefit is that car owners avoid waiting for the battery to be charged.
I had the pleasure of going to a NIO show room in Chengdu last year. And I immediately asked the manager if they imported to the US. Haha. The cars are great. Good quality, nice aesthetics, very spacious, and they look and feel really cool, both inside and out. I think Tesla will soon drop out of favor in China for NIO. And if NIO expands globally, I think Tesla will have its first true competitor. I would certainly choose a NIO over a Tesla.
Battery swapping is not meant to replace charging. One of the biggest advantages is that you can choose the capacity of the battery based on your needs. E.g. for my daily commute I can use a smaller battery, therefore reducing the weight of the vehicle and being more energy efficient, and replace it with a bigger battery if I go on a road trip
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Are those single use stations practical? If there is only one car in line, that's great, but what if you have a line of cars waiting to be swapped? And will they have enough charged battery for every car? Picture that, 5 min each car, which means time will add up and people would have already charged up their vehicle at a charging station.
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Meh, I charge at home for standard driving. On roadtrips, I drive for 2hr then charge and stretch my legs for 15min. Nio's only real advantage is task specific battery sizes reducing the upfront consumer cost.
Stock Price Forecast The 15 analysts offering 12-month price forecasts for NIO Inc have a median target of 327.15, with a high estimate of 457.79 and a low estimate of 98.10. The median estimate represents a +454.12% increase from the last price of 59.04.
The solution should be: put a 25kWh battery in the car as permanent, so that for short commutes, swapping isn’t needed. Keep space for rest 75-200 kWh for swapping. You can put majorly all charging stations within the cities and put swapping stations outside the cities mostly. A 25kWh battery will also greatly reduce the overall weight of the car, improving range performance, which should come out to be atleast 7km/kWh. That is 170km on a small battery, more than enough.... also, a small battery is faster to charge.
@@merpuffedy it’s Nios annual huge event where they share new releases and upcoming projects. this year they’re going to announce their first sedan the et7 and much more
Not owning the battery eliminates the risk for the client of battery failure or battery loss of capacity. Specifically the last one - loss of capacity is a big advantage to the NIO's battery swapping strategy. When batteries are charged at stations they are not fast charged which protects the battery's capacity. Fast charging and using the battery down to 0% and up to 100% charge are the two highers contributors to battery capacity loss. Also, when the battery is charged In a swapping station the 0 to 10 and 90 to 100% capacity can be locked by software so it doesn't get damaged. And last but not least Nios clients can choose to own or lease a battery.
Explain to me how waiting 5 minutes for your entire car battery to be swapped out is more effective than manually filling your car with gasoline on a time perspective
Umm its quicker than filling up, no need to even go outside of the car, and you can charge at home so you’ll never visit these station unless on a long trip. Unless you live in an apartment in which case both gas and EV will take the same time, but you’ll have a lot more fun in the EV
Love NIO! Never bought a Tesla here in Canada all these years because of their quality and service issues, along with their dated design, but I'm excited about NIO selling in Europe this year, and hopefully NIO will sell in Canada soon. We need more choices if we're to switch to EVs. Canada's government needs to work harder to catch up with this trend
@@taddmaxwell8363 Vancouver. Here, the government is making it easy to convert apartments to allow for EV charging, but seriously, without allowing people to import EV cars unless they are 15 years old or older (Transport Canada's insane regulation), what do we have? Tesla? Not for me. NIO all the way!
I'm a little confused as to how it's economical for the carmaker to swap batteries. Doesn't that just give then a ton of extra cost? do they get anything out of having old batteries?
so what if there are 30 cars waiting for a swap. Are you planning to build 10 stations to swap in just one locations. And you'll need lots of locations. it's inefficient expensive system
I think battery swapping is pretty beneficial for the customer. You always can upgrade to the newest battery pack size. Tesla on the other hand you have to buy a brand new car.
You really can’t do that. Where will all the old batteries go? They still have over 95% of their life left so are you just gonna throw it out. Thats like throwing out your phone in a few months just because the new one is better!
One of the major problems of electric vehicles is the devaluation, the devaluation process of ev is more than twice faster than gas pwered vehicles. The main reason is Battery pack's lifecycle is only 7 years and gets outdated by new battery tech in every 3 years. NIOs solution might be a better approach
Model 3 is depreciating very slowly in the US way below average, it's the most popular EV, battery can last 300,000 miles before hitting 80% original capacity. It also gets updates that make it perform better and add functionality after the car was sold. Batteries dont get outdated every 3 years, it takes 10 year to improve them by double.
@@miguellopez3392 the deprecation rate is exponential. Imagine in 5 years the latest battery can be have 900 mile range while being fully charged in 10 mins, how much will the current model 3 worth by then? By having swappable battery you can always enjoy the latest battery technology.
@@tl1960 that's assuming the cars entire price is based on its battery, that's only 30 percent of the cost of the car and that batteries will be that good in 5 years, it will likely take 10 years, then those batteries can be installed in the old tesla.
@@miguellopez3392 do you even know what you are talking about. The value of an EV is highly depended on its battery technology. It might not be 900 miles range by 2025 but battery technology is evolving fast and the non-swappable batteries in current EVs(not just Tesla’s) will be obsolete and their car value will depreciate like crazy. Just go check how much 2014 Tesla’s are worth today.
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I think Tesla battery swap was a brilliant idea from Elon Musk. But like every genius out there the concept was too far ahead for people to understand. EV’s were new at the time and people didn’t fully understand the hassle of charging a battery or battery life. Not saying that charging is a hassle now but having a swap station option would have been great. It was simple to far ahead of us to understand. I bet If they were to bring back the swap station it would be the next best thing to happen for Tesla owners.
Swapping batteries is not a new idea, certainly not too far ahead to be beyond understanding, people have been replacing batteries in all sorts of electronics - even kids do it with toys, when smartphones started making it more difficult it annoyed people.
think about how many pre-charged battery packs they need per swap-station during rush hours when running at 100 car/ hour capacity. They need to built a giant tower to charge those batteries packs.
This video completely misses what NIO is doing with its NIO House which provides a socializing location for car owners, a preference in the Chinese market
Yes you have a NIO house, but there are 100 other chinese EV brands popping up everywhere. Even as Nio will always be backed by the government. A chinese does confirm there is no better car than a German car. For me personally I tested this Nio and Tesla. It has some nice tech yes. But the looks are just not for me. I go for drive and that is German car like BMW. If Nio can throw that in the mix in the next 30 years. Then maybe i will give it a try, same as Tesla
1. standardise the fuel (the battery) in design and specs. 2. all automakers in china design their cars around this battery 3. standardise all battery swap stations to accept any chinese ev car not only their local market will thrive, the black market can't exist because imported cars don't have the same specs.
*Just like any other US Media WSJ is trying to tilt the playing field for Tesla 🔴: it would not mention Nio is effectively banned in the US for the US government to tilt the playing field for Tesla and (spreads careless mistakes like) NIO's Battery Swapping stations take 3 minutes to swap not 5 minutes*
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TSLA record delivery figures + Li record delivery figures + Nio record delivery figures + during the same period = the China EV market is robust and booming, everybody is eating up shares from ICE and far ahead of even thinking about competing against each other.
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See better place. An Israeli electric car company from the early 2010s. They pioneered the battery switching technology for retail vehicles. They ultimately failed for a number of reasons. Among them were the battery changing stations. They had an issue with breaking down and leaving the driver stranded since the stations were automated
You like most people are missing the point, swap technology actually goes beyond just swapping the batteries when you are running low on juice. 1. Nios can be fast charged too. 2. What the true purpose is, is to eliminate a depreciating asset as well as securing monthly revenue. It is good for the company as well as the consumer. Who wants a used Tesla when it is 10 years old? You will have a car with 10 year old battery tech and a suspect battery. With the battery swap, you can switch to any battery you want, this year it is coming out with a 150 kwatt battery you can swap into your car. For resale when you sell the car if the person is leasing the battery means that your battery will not fail and if it does they will swap it out for you which leaves a higher resale value because you do not have to worry about a failing battery.
@Neil Graham Only takes my Tesla 30 minutes to charge. I personally don’t like the prospect of having my battery switched out with someone else’s that may be damaged.
EV tech is mostly available in China and the US. When will other countries be more open with EVs? I feel like i’m living in a 3rd world country in Malaysia. We’re sliding further and further away by the days
For east Asia, battery swap makes more sense due to lack of garages in most homes.
We also have sometime huge rush on petrol stations.
My opinion, it is good for consumers, however for each car you sell, you'll have to produce 1.3-1.5 battery and battery is the most expensive part of the car. Not to mention you'll have to have workers maintaining those machines, the cost is hugely added. That's why I personally feel NIO can't go bigly like Tesla's scale, and in the tech industry, the big one eats most of shares, like TSMC, Apple.
bro it'd be unpractical... imagine 20 people are lined up. a gas station or a supercharger can serve muxh more people
@@batuhanyldz2835 super charger take minimum 30 minutes.
@@arminius6506 but also it's a lot cheaper to build so it will be everywhere for everyone that needs
Only 3% of Chinese housing are single-family houses. Most people live in condos and apartments, it's extremely scarce for Chinese EV owners to charge at home overnight. Unlike the U.S., this is why NIO pushes battery swapping.
though many Chinese lives in apartments, most of them will buy an underground parking spot which means that it’s feasible to install charging gears. I just think that the meaning of this battery-swapping technology is to keep the value of your EV in the long run when using it.
@@mariuswong8449 true, but depending on where you live a parking spot could cost a lot.
And that's why this tech will work compare to the ChargeOverNight solution.
Labor is also cheaper in china, so its not as expensive to have a worker in the swapping station
Chinese drivers also tend to drive much shorter distances, with city driving being very low speed. Electric cars are super efficient for that use case and don't require frequent charging
Another ad vantage of swapping option is the owner has access to the latest battery tech at any time you want.
That's so true. The NIO owners with 70kW battery can now choose to upgrade to 150kW battery.
yes and no, to have swap stations you would have to mass produce a surplus of batteries to have on hand. This surplus of batteries will depreciate as newer batteries are created. The amount of work and resources to maintain this pool of batteries to have on hand could be too costly.
upkeep would be too high
Olu - TESLA back in 2012 discovered Battery Swap DOES NOT WORK.
@@julianhaddad1431 Link to NIO FSD please.
The best thing about battery swap is your never stuck with a battery that’s at the end of its life cycle
And you automatically get the latest battery technology as it arrives
I didn’t think of that
New Batteries dont regrade alot
@@VincentKarabouladMusique the Tesla need to last longer before breaking down for that lol
@@Matzes tell that to my electric bike
Don’t forget that NIO cars do have access to fast chargers as well.
just check their website, do not say something that was guessed based on bias
@@夏子奕-o6s ？？？
@@夏子奕-o6s there is a charging option as well
@@TheDreamBlog yes，and you can upgrade to high range later, even years
@@yujin8582 just have the research done then you can comment
"Tesla vs. Nio" is misleading for present day - maybe it will be accurate in 2030. Today it's "Tesla and Nio vs ICE cars".
BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.
@@Liu-pm1np to inflate the bubble. My grandparent saw the 08 crash 01 dot com japan 1990 bubble he said this is the same. EV bubble many people are going to lose 70% of their wealth for 4-5 years at least and many will sell low.
@@Liu-pm1np internet was still the future but companies like Amazon tanked for 5+ years after the crash
@@Liu-pm1np for some reason everyone thinks NIO is leading the EV industry. Brainwashed
@@Liu-pm1np NIO is more of a luxury EV like Tesla, most EVs from BYD are lower end models.
Both options are unique on it's own, let us wait for the market to mature and decide the best
No, screw China.
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BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.
@@erch3rejc986 urmum
@@Liu-pm1np byd is different market, BYD is focused on utility electric vehicle like truck, taxi, and bus.Tesla and nio are focusing on luxury EV cars
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Wow, I like Nio's idea a lot. The most depreciated part of an EV is its battery. It's gonna be very very competitive if the battery replace is widely adapted.
And then comes the dreaded subscription mode in which you will have to overall pay twice more than the entire lifetime of a battery pack
@@anandisrocking007 then sell your car and get a brand that doesn’t require subscriptions. Or simply choose to buy the battery. People aren’t stupid and the manufacturers know that.
@@anandisrocking007 then just don’t change the battery and recharge it like a normal EV. If I’m not mistaken, owners can still just plug the car in and recharge it right?
@@anandisrocking007 Haha. It's likely. But that's the trend of how the internet works, right?
@@zhe8586 The problem is if one starts doing soon all will as it is a more profitable business model and soon u will run out of good option the same happened for softwares as now all the Adobe softwares and Microsoft softwares are all like that and the enterprise version of windows are also like this the problem with subscription model is that it looks good now but over the lifetime it leeches more than twice the cost of what you would have already paid also as soon as you stop u can't use it u don't have true control of what u are paying for and they can change it whenever they want.
The battery swapping technology is really interesting but i think Tesla dropped it because it is difficult to scale as its much more expensive to setup than a charging station
I honestly think people were not wanting to adopt it back in 2013
In china big city like Shanghai Beijing Shenzhen, most people don't have their own parking spots. So super charger only is not a solution to electric car.
standardized battery is cheaper for economy of scales. don’t forget that you can also charge the battery.
@@fangdanfangdan3196 yes, very true
@@steliosantoniou agreed
Am amazed to see how Nio has grown in the EV market even competing with Tesla which is one of the leading product in the EV market, owning both stocks and holding out for year's is a good move every investor should make.
Their stocks prices would keep going up in the coming years so it's a good investment.
The battery swap idea is incredible, I like it. Those staying in condors would love the idea more...
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Both options are good and nio has both of the options- swap and charge 🎉
Nio > Tsla
@@SpreadTheTruthUSA Bold statement, and one that is laughably stupid at this point in time.
WSJ-these two are carving out different pieces of the Chinese market. They can easily co-exist.
I agree. In my opinion, their consumer base is different. Tesla’s cars are like Corollas to me, while Nio’s cars are like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes. I own a Lexus - I’m a premium vehicle user and I’m not willing to buy a Tesla or a Corolla for that matter. I care about the experience and quality too much. I would in a heartbeat buy a NIO if they were in the US.
@@nilemiles7265 I'm excited for when NIO does expand to the US! CEO (Mr EQ) William Li Bin talks regularly about being a global brand. First premium brand ever from China=💰💰💰 in my opinion
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BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.
@@Liu-pm1np Imao, BYD is not a premium brand, of course they sell more. Besides, they are a traditional manufacturer, if they not offering the same technology that Tesla or Nio provides, they will eventually become a manufacturer or battery provider eventually.
Nios patented battery swap is in 4 of the 5 recently approved standards in China. And with the battery asset management company Nio recently formed with catl, will supply the nation’s automakers with swappable batteries.
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Out of the three major advantages for battery swapping, i rank them this way in terms of its value created
1, Range is no longer a fixed (and depreciating) spec of your car. You can always choose to upgrade to the latest battery technology without changing the car
2, it enables Baas model that widens TAM and the subsequent recurring revenue (say a car lasts 15 yrs and Baas breaks even at 6th yr)
3, last one and most people only talk about, get a full recharge in 5 mins
That 5 minutes is very key!!
With battery swap technology, literally your car is eternally new. innovative idea !
This goes back to a cultural thing. Americans are more individual-centered, so buying a car needs your own battery. Chinese are more flexible towards owning something, yet having part of it being public. The battery sharing model might be very good in offseting the depreciation in value of the battery pack, by which you would have to exchange your whole Tesla. Both interesting prospects indeed.
Yup markets evolve for different needs not exactly a 1:1 comparison between American and Chinese markets will be interesting to see how both adapt to ev's
@Mellio Kuang and also because the Chinese know how dangerous global warming is, they experience it first hand, and thus want to help reduce their own impact.
If battery can be swapped, the car value will remain relatively the same. It is good for the consumer and environment
And you can upgrade to newer battery
But bad for business, hence American automakers and politicians will never endorse it
@@somguynamedpaul not really, battery pack is recycled for other device. Business charge consumer for a premium.
@@somguynamedpaul Charging your car for hours standing in queue in populated China might not sustain in the long run. Thus NIO will eventually create more buyers.
Mental accounting...
People outside of China have no idea how good China car services is, not only NIO , back to 2010, most of car companies already have another level compared with The west today . In China, car services, insurance companies do everything for you , and always show up within 30mins even 4am in the early morning. They drive a car to you and send car back once repaired, you don’t have to do anything.
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Both options are unique in there own way...
I hope I get one for my next birthday
Thought become things. If you can see it in your mind, you can hold it in your hand
There are both not cheap... I hope you can afford what it takes
It mustn't be gotten with her own money.
Tesla is great
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All innovations towards green energy should be encouraged!
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same here lol,, but in future absolutely it will be different !
@@mohammedwitwit9744 hope so
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Atleast nio has started
lets see what comes next
but more you save time....the more people get benefited
And then comes the dreaded subscription mode in which you will have to overall pay twice more than the entire lifetime of a battery pack
@@anandisrocking007 But time is money.
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This is insane. What NIO is doing is really impressive. This can work amazingly in Asia. But I still believe NIO cars are very expensive. Even Tesla has cheaper options!
People are forgetting this technology also significantly reduces the cost of repair for a battery. I honestly can't see a future where battery swapping isn't implemented in EVERY car.
It’s not good to swap too often damage the battery tap and car tap
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EVs have 2 main battery issues that conflict with one another. People want faster charging times. But the faster a battery charges, the shorter the lifespan of the battery. Battery swapping solves both these problems.
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Correct
Agree
It's really not charge rate that causes degradation it's heat caused by a faster charge rate. If you can make a cooling system to manage the heat and keep the battery in its optimal range you can avoid most degradation
I’m definitely getting the Tesla model S
Wow that’s nice , it’s really expensive. Hopefully I get one too
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How do you know the integrity of the battery you swapped into?
Seems like high cost to maintain the batteries and the swapping stations. Will this be passed onto the consumer?
I agree with you. It really does seem like it could be like that but we could be wrong. But either way I agree with you.
@@Cars-N-Jets For the integrity concern, you can swap to another battery anytime time you want, next day,next week, so this wouldnt be a problem。
The cost of running such big network and always have extra batteries could be a big burden on company operation.
People have a bias for Tesla thanks to Elon. But other companies are making electric cars that are just as good and cheaper
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No
@@NassimSYD explain why not
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Well for a battery swap you need double the batteries that are currently on the road if you want to do swapping. Making enough batteries is already an issue. Not to mention the battery density and cost of Teslas batteries are lower. So for your money you'll be getting more range with a tesla.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 Thank you! Appreciate the explanation
The China EV market will be the most exciting one for decades to come. It is thrilling to watch NIO & TESLA compete & grow. It also demonstrates the PRC government supports open markets when innovation and creativity occur for the good of society. Please keep making videos like this every 6 months so that everyone can be entertained.
There is 350 million Chinese middle class coming up in next 5 to 10 years, surely they will make NIO greater in EV market in China.
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The nio is more luxurious and battery degradation is not an issue.
Cus its more expensive idiot
@@xhafts
The NIO is cheaper in cost, you jack hoff.
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Wow this is good idea...wait the minute..so how much we hv to pay for swapping the battery we could just charge?
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Wait...how do they leave the dealership without a battery???
You can drive away with a battery fitted in, but still owns by the company. If the battery got damaged at some stage then the car owner will pay for the damage only.
Just trade in your old ev and the mechanic can swap the old battery into the new ev for free
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What happens to that battery if it gets damaged?
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Wait if you can buy it without a battery... how do you drive it off the lot ??
I had this same idea with changing the battery’s years ago I always thought why are they charging when they can just pop one out put one in
For the Nio owners, the good thing is they don't need to choose between charging and swapping. they will always have both and the latest battery technology.
Battery swapping is a necessity for China, because most Urban Chinese lives in Apartments their building might not have the space for personal charging station. or the infrastructure might be too old. Necessity is the mother of inventions.
Battery swap is the future, imagine a smart city filled with Internet of Things where everything is connected. Connecting cars with everything else. roadside cameras can communicate with autonomous cars helping it to plan the least congested route. Battery swap stations can also act as mini power storage stations, recharging during off peak periods and, releasing some stored electricity during peak usage hours.
China in the future will be the center for this sort of innovation, Huawei is already moving into the Vehicle to everything operating system, Their HiCar system for smart EVs is like Android for Smartphones.
Zoomed out, this type of smart IoT can be extended to entire cities, where the a Smart City can efficiently manage traffic, electricity generation and services.
I live in a Shanghai apartment complex. There are tons of personal charging hookups. Tesla did our first one for free. It hooked into the wall right behind our underground parking spot.
@Andres Leon degrading battery is one of the biggest obstacle to EVs retaining their value.
@Andres Leon almost every apartments that were build in last 15-20 years in China has an underground parking lot and a private spot for owners
@Andres Leon most pre2000 buildings are owned by older generation, they got the apartment before 1980s when government assigned apartments to workers. And I highly doubt those people are gonna purchase an eclectic vehicle. Most nio owners choose swapping batteries probably because there just ain’t many nio charging stations around the city. But Tesla on the other hand has way more users than nio in China so charging station is more common.
@Andres Leon Tesla owners are far more than nio owners. Most of them installed private charging station that sure means most owners have private parking spot. Most people live in apartment complex with private parking spot. And any buildings post-2000s have parking lot so the numbers of people can have a charging station is still raising. Even though battery swapping is a good idea, but for companies building some charging station is just easier to maintain
Is possible to combine both of the technologies? swap or charging batteries?
5 mins to a fully charged battery, instead of wait for hour to full charged your EV. Take your pick, don't hurry!
How can I buy Nio in Japan?
Nio and Tesla are both innovator's at their fields
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Tesla yes, Nio no.
I’m buying a NIO once they get to the European market
So your government will give them money to build battery swap stations?
@@henryeghaghara9385 I mean, it’s a great alternative to fossil fuels. You need to remember that governments are trying to find a green future
@@chef_latte we want something that's realistic, building charging swap stations seems dumb why not invest the money in battery tech instead?
@@henryeghaghara9385 Yup man better battery tech and faster charging stations are a much better choice than this battery swap tech can't wait for solid state batteries to finaly reach consumer devices !!!
@@henryeghaghara9385 ok, I agree that we should invest in battery tech, and this does look quite controversial, but it is a unique step in a right direction
China is not India where American tech companies can roam and grab market share.
But a country that where they can steal anyone’s technology
@@bestintentions6089 even though they steel china market alone is bigger than eu and us for Tesla sales
@@doomslayer4276 because we know american people poor and in debt
@@Bekssss lol gdp per capita .china is still under developed with 13k per capita GDP.poor than eu
@@bestintentions6089 How to do expect China to propser and shine without stealing, stealing is inherent part of CCP and Chinese culture.
Bring Nio to Canada!
NiO is FRADULANT and not as safe as Model 3.
Isnt the battery switch probably insanely expensive and terrible for the enviornment?
Why? The empty batteries get charged and put in another empty battery NIO car. The benefit is that car owners avoid waiting for the battery to be charged.
leave the half dead battery to the factory who make them to be taken care of will help environment a little bit more right?
what do we do with old batteries?
the company will recycle old ones once the capacity drops below 90 percent or something like that I think
I had the pleasure of going to a NIO show room in Chengdu last year. And I immediately asked the manager if they imported to the US. Haha. The cars are great. Good quality, nice aesthetics, very spacious, and they look and feel really cool, both inside and out. I think Tesla will soon drop out of favor in China for NIO. And if NIO expands globally, I think Tesla will have its first true competitor. I would certainly choose a NIO over a Tesla.
I choose the Tesla over a Nio.
Battery swapping is not meant to replace charging. One of the biggest advantages is that you can choose the capacity of the battery based on your needs. E.g. for my daily commute I can use a smaller battery, therefore reducing the weight of the vehicle and being more energy efficient, and replace it with a bigger battery if I go on a road trip
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Are those single use stations practical? If there is only one car in line, that's great, but what if you have a line of cars waiting to be swapped? And will they have enough charged battery for every car? Picture that, 5 min each car, which means time will add up and people would have already charged up their vehicle at a charging station.
Swap vehicle's battery is much more advantage than supercharger stations.
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Meh, I charge at home for standard driving. On roadtrips, I drive for 2hr then charge and stretch my legs for 15min. Nio's only real advantage is task specific battery sizes reducing the upfront consumer cost.
How expensive is this battery swapping?
I’m buying NIO stocks! Well see in a year how much they will be ;)
458$
Stock Price Forecast
The 15 analysts offering 12-month price forecasts for NIO Inc have a median target of 327.15, with a high estimate of 457.79 and a low estimate of 98.10. The median estimate represents a +454.12% increase from the last price of 59.04.
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@@heartlinker9478 where did you get those numbers?
@@heartlinker9478 where did you get those numbers mate
The solution should be: put a 25kWh battery in the car as permanent, so that for short commutes, swapping isn’t needed. Keep space for rest 75-200 kWh for swapping. You can put majorly all charging stations within the cities and put swapping stations outside the cities mostly. A 25kWh battery will also greatly reduce the overall weight of the car, improving range performance, which should come out to be atleast 7km/kWh. That is 170km on a small battery, more than enough.... also, a small battery is faster to charge.
this stock is going to sky rocket after Nio day jan 9th 🚀🚀🚀🚀
Whats nio day?
@@merpuffedy it’s Nios annual huge event where they share new releases and upcoming projects. this year they’re going to announce their first sedan the et7 and much more
Nice ! 2021 is definitely NIO's year and a good contender for Tesla by the end of 2021
This is great! I’m smiling so hard! This is perfect set up before NIO Day!
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Not owning the battery eliminates the risk for the client of battery failure or battery loss of capacity. Specifically the last one - loss of capacity is a big advantage to the NIO's battery swapping strategy. When batteries are charged at stations they are not fast charged which protects the battery's capacity. Fast charging and using the battery down to 0% and up to 100% charge are the two highers contributors to battery capacity loss. Also, when the battery is charged In a swapping station the 0 to 10 and 90 to 100% capacity can be locked by software so it doesn't get damaged. And last but not least Nios clients can choose to own or lease a battery.
Tesla is already an central governing enterprises of “you know what “ , theoretically speaking, they are colleague.
Explain to me how waiting 5 minutes for your entire car battery to be swapped out is more effective than manually filling your car with gasoline on a time perspective
Umm its quicker than filling up, no need to even go outside of the car, and you can charge at home so you’ll never visit these station unless on a long trip. Unless you live in an apartment in which case both gas and EV will take the same time, but you’ll have a lot more fun in the EV
Love NIO! Never bought a Tesla here in Canada all these years because of their quality and service issues, along with their dated design, but I'm excited about NIO selling in Europe this year, and hopefully NIO will sell in Canada soon. We need more choices if we're to switch to EVs. Canada's government needs to work harder to catch up with this trend
Canada? You mean America Jr.?
I'm moving to Alberta Canada, where you at?
@@taddmaxwell8363 Probably B.C.
@@IpSyCo Vancouver, BC, in Canada, of course
@@taddmaxwell8363 Vancouver. Here, the government is making it easy to convert apartments to allow for EV charging, but seriously, without allowing people to import EV cars unless they are 15 years old or older (Transport Canada's insane regulation), what do we have? Tesla? Not for me. NIO all the way!
I'm a little confused as to how it's economical for the carmaker to swap batteries. Doesn't that just give then a ton of extra cost? do they get anything out of having old batteries?
There's a monthly subscription fee.
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so what if there are 30 cars waiting for a swap. Are you planning to build 10 stations to swap in just one locations. And you'll need lots of locations. it's inefficient expensive system
I think battery swapping is pretty beneficial for the customer. You always can upgrade to the newest battery pack size. Tesla on the other hand you have to buy a brand new car.
The main issue is that it's extremely expensive to scale battery swap stations when compared to chargers
You really can’t do that. Where will all the old batteries go? They still have over 95% of their life left so are you just gonna throw it out. Thats like throwing out your phone in a few months just because the new one is better!
And then comes the dreaded subscription mode in which you will have to overall pay twice more than the entire lifetime of a battery pack
i agree, but they need more miles. 260 is too low.
The problem is the cost per month in battery exchange. I think it cost around $ 150.00 per month.
One of the major problems of electric vehicles is the devaluation, the devaluation process of ev is more than twice faster than gas pwered vehicles. The main reason is Battery pack's lifecycle is only 7 years and gets outdated by new battery tech in every 3 years. NIOs solution might be a better approach
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Model 3 is depreciating very slowly in the US way below average, it's the most popular EV, battery can last 300,000 miles before hitting 80% original capacity. It also gets updates that make it perform better and add functionality after the car was sold. Batteries dont get outdated every 3 years, it takes 10 year to improve them by double.
@@miguellopez3392 the deprecation rate is exponential. Imagine in 5 years the latest battery can be have 900 mile range while being fully charged in 10 mins, how much will the current model 3 worth by then? By having swappable battery you can always enjoy the latest battery technology.
@@tl1960 that's assuming the cars entire price is based on its battery, that's only 30 percent of the cost of the car and that batteries will be that good in 5 years, it will likely take 10 years, then those batteries can be installed in the old tesla.
@@miguellopez3392 do you even know what you are talking about. The value of an EV is highly depended on its battery technology. It might not be 900 miles range by 2025 but battery technology is evolving fast and the non-swappable batteries in current EVs(not just Tesla’s) will be obsolete and their car value will depreciate like crazy. Just go check how much 2014 Tesla’s are worth today.
I already have 930shares of nio stock and 2shares of TSLA, I have 4k to invest which stock should I buy more?
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Why are you showing Tesla supercharaging stations in Taiwan together with those in China? They are two different countries.
Is there a country called Taiwan?
@@thelastking6266 Yeah, it's a country. Too bad that you don't know about it.
@@jobill0106 It is not a member of UN. I don't think even your country recognizes Taiwan as a country.
fantastic idea ! well-done NIO
How much per swap
Do you think it is good choice to invest in NIO at currrnt price?
Yes! Nio is promising growth stock!
yes, Nio is still a young company
CATL made battery with life cycle of over 1,2 million kilometers is perfectly suited for NIO strategy.
I think Tesla battery swap was a brilliant idea from Elon Musk. But like every genius out there the concept was too far ahead for people to understand. EV’s were new at the time and people didn’t fully understand the hassle of charging a battery or battery life. Not saying that charging is a hassle now but having a swap station option would have been great. It was simple to far ahead of us to understand. I bet If they were to bring back the swap station it would be the next best thing to happen for Tesla owners.
Swapping batteries is not a new idea, certainly not too far ahead to be beyond understanding, people have been replacing batteries in all sorts of electronics - even kids do it with toys, when smartphones started making it more difficult it annoyed people.
think about how many pre-charged battery packs they need per swap-station during rush hours when running at 100 car/ hour capacity. They need to built a giant tower to charge those batteries packs.
This video completely misses what NIO is doing with its NIO House which provides a socializing location for car owners, a preference in the Chinese market
It also missed NIO Day, new Sedan, NIO insurance and much more
It’s ok we can’t give it all away! They gotta know the feeling of I wish I bought at $50. When they see it
An un-organic social network of NIO owners is contrived and “forced”.
Yes you have a NIO house, but there are 100 other chinese EV brands popping up everywhere. Even as Nio will always be backed by the government. A chinese does confirm there is no better car than a German car. For me personally I tested this Nio and Tesla. It has some nice tech yes. But the looks are just not for me. I go for drive and that is German car like BMW. If Nio can throw that in the mix in the next 30 years. Then maybe i will give it a try, same as Tesla
So I should buy the dip?
There may never be a dip, but I think Tesla is safer investment.
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1. standardise the fuel (the battery) in design and specs.
2. all automakers in china design their cars around this battery
3. standardise all battery swap stations to accept any chinese ev car
not only their local market will thrive, the black market can't exist because imported cars don't have the same specs.
*Just like any other US Media WSJ is trying to tilt the playing field for Tesla 🔴: it would not mention Nio is effectively banned in the US for the US government to tilt the playing field for Tesla and (spreads careless mistakes like) NIO's Battery Swapping stations take 3 minutes to swap not 5 minutes*
@4:06 Why are Taiwan's chargers mapped here? Tesla doesn't even include them in their China list.
Seems like a petty thing to be triggered about
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people do realize tesla wont be the only EV model? thats just how the market works, tesla needs competition to dilute supply and demand
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TSLA record delivery figures + Li record delivery figures + Nio record delivery figures + during the same period = the China EV market is robust and booming, everybody is eating up shares from ICE and far ahead of even thinking about competing against each other.
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i find NIO difficult to scale. setting up battery replacement station everywhere seems a much tougher task than charging point
10 yrs later , you will see battery swap stations like any gas station around the world.
See better place. An Israeli electric car company from the early 2010s. They pioneered the battery switching technology for retail vehicles. They ultimately failed for a number of reasons. Among them were the battery changing stations. They had an issue with breaking down and leaving the driver stranded since the stations were automated
You are probably right. And of course the swapping stations are likely much better than they were 10+yrs ago
You like most people are missing the point, swap technology actually goes beyond just swapping the batteries when you are running low on juice. 1. Nios can be fast charged too. 2. What the true purpose is, is to eliminate a depreciating asset as well as securing monthly revenue. It is good for the company as well as the consumer. Who wants a used Tesla when it is 10 years old? You will have a car with 10 year old battery tech and a suspect battery. With the battery swap, you can switch to any battery you want, this year it is coming out with a 150 kwatt battery you can swap into your car. For resale when you sell the car if the person is leasing the battery means that your battery will not fail and if it does they will swap it out for you which leaves a higher resale value because you do not have to worry about a failing battery.
@Neil Graham Only takes my Tesla 30 minutes to charge. I personally don’t like the prospect of having my battery switched out with someone else’s that may be damaged.
The good thing is when the battery gets upgraded, you will be able to enjoy the new version of the upgraded battery instantly.
EV tech is mostly available in China and the US. When will other countries be more open with EVs? I feel like i’m living in a 3rd world country in Malaysia. We’re sliding further and further away by the days
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That was very informative about Nio. I didn't know much about them before.