IQ Does Not Define Human Beings | Dr. Richard Haier and Jordan B Peterson
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- The importance of intelligence. The American armed forces won't induct anyone with an IQ of less than 83. That's 10 percent of the population. A clip from The Neuroscience of Intelligence: Dr. Richard Haier.
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I adore the Forest Gump thumbnail for this topic. Perfection.
I gootta find Bubaaaa
Contrapunctus XV we are gonna buy that boat and make a buttload of cash
@@conforzo stupid is what stupid does
I absolutely hate that movie.
@@Knightonagreyhorse why!
Speaking as someone with an I.Q of 84, I can generally tell you 'I'm screwed.'
That being said, I like these fellows. They seem empathetic to "my kind."
He's using a very modern AI program for writing and the computer is voice activated
marblegrimes 1962 How the hell do you know that?
Sorry, should have put:) or just said because that's what I'm using.
So you're using an AI program for writing and your computer is voice activated? Do you mean like a speech recognition program?
I'm joking But do have Grammarly for writing and windows 10 does use cortana
Him: Talks about the man who could not fold a paper into three pieces.
Me: Immediately starts to fold paper into three pieces.
Fewww
Trifolding precisely is actually really difficult. This story would mean more if I knew how big the envolope was.
@@alexanderkilburg7415 wtf is trifolding
@@mcrettable Folding a piece of paper so that it is 1/3 its original area in one motion.
Did you separate the French Letters? :)
It's actually more complicated than one thinks, especially if you think about it alot. It's like... how and in what way, etc.
I’ve helped train a soldier who you could definitely tell was a low IQ individual, he was more of a man than some people with normal IQ, he may not be the best at whatever task, but he earns my respect in the fact that he tries hard. I’ve seen many soldiers who aren’t considered intelligent, but I can see that they really work hard and try to learn. It’s just a very humbling experience seeing these kind of soldiers try to better themselves and not let their intelligence stop them for achieving. I see their of work ethic and dedication and it’s just amazing to see what they can accomplish in the army.
argplutoniumman Soldiers are supposed to be dumb enough not to question orders and smart enough to execute them efficiently.
Nihilismus not true, today’s army is all about explaining task and purpose so everyone understands the intent and how it affects everything. Also we preach the concept of disciplined initiative, when you’re leader is dead or not present, you will have to take charge. The army isn’t looking for nor creating people who are there to just follow orders.
I love how both of them so much knowledge to share to that they can barely stop talking.
I would gladly welcome an honest man of low intelligence in my company, we actually have quite enough in common. What I fear is an intelligent villain.
I think you need to have both, but an intelligent villain is definitly much more of a thread compared to someone that is honest but less smart.
With experience comes knowledge.....fear the person of low I.Q. but to others they can do no wrong. This will snowball into hell on earth if you have to work with them. They can manipulate the system to their advantage.
I genuinely prefer the interactions I have with my lower IQ coworkers. They point at me and make some noise and I act like a goofball and we laugh. Makes life more fun.
Well, would you take me then? It's hard getting a job nowadays, when you're dumb as rock. I'm fairly honest but sadly, I'm not the brightest but I will do my tasks as hard and as efficient as my brain allowed me!
I've tested at an IQ of 162, and my GRE scores (from 1996) convert to an IQ of 161. So... what? I guess in an increasing complex world, I get to have an edge. But what did I do to "earn" my IQ? Nothing, of course. And what did a person with an IQ of 80 do to earn his? Don't we all have an obligation to help our fellow human beings given the gross disparity in how we are born and shaped through no actions of our own? I believe the answer is "yes" and it comes into tension with people who insist, "anyone can be successful if they just work hard enough."
The question might come up, how would you fare with your boss having an 80 IQ ? There are also LOADS of HIGH IQ FAILURES.
We cannot compete with teams of geniuses using super computers, funded from credit created out of thin air..
I highly doubt you're part of the
@@gokurocks9 What is your cause for doubt? The fact that a person can score high on an IQ test doesn't necessarily mean they have high IQ, especially if it is multiple choice. I scored 165. Whoop-de-doo. Chris Langan supposedly scored over 200. IQ is only relevant if you actually do something with it. I was a slave to my passions, so I did not.
Lucky bastard...
I love Jordan Peterson but man he cannot share the microphone for his life
This is just one video. He is usually very cooperative when it comes to sharing the mic.
Maybe he had better shit to say
When I started working straight from school, I was worried people would notice I had low IQ. I soon found out that most people have low IQ's. Common sense has a much higher value in a manual work environment.
Something that really depresses me about this is that the more I read and learn about IQ, the more I realize how limited I am in my capabilities. The worst of all is that there's no real solution or method to increase your IQ, just methods on how to make sure it doesn't go down by the years. One can make themselves knowledgeable, but to become 'more creative' is virtually impossible it seems.
This is sad...
Theres sadness all along the intellectual spectrum. Just do the best you can with what you have got! Genius can torture just as much as the opposite.
@@mkurylowski It's painful as when you're much younger, you have these dream and aspirations with the thought that hard work will be enough to get you there, unfortunately it isn't so :/.
It still doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying, quite the opposite actually, I'll still do whatever I can.
Actually it isn't. A high IQ can be a curse, and not in the way you think.I'm a physicist and engineer, and most of my friends are PhDs. I have seen it a million times.
A high IQ will give you almost perfect grades and a lot of expectations, but it is a dimension that doesn't go together with creativity, which is measured by Openness to Experience (another pshycometric parameter).
A high IQ and low creativity is the worst, because you expect the world and you obtain a splendid salary, but nothing remotely to a big name (that leads to bitter individuals. Physics is plagued with people like that. No name, and an ego that will never accomplish what they expected).
That happens all across physics departments around the world. A few would have both (IQ+creativity).
From those who do, there is something called Spearman law of diminishing returns, that shows empirically how over a certain percentile, high IQ becomes dysfunctional respect to all dimensions, which means people become really weird, and that gives you super sad individuals because they don't fit and are rejected by most people and of course, women.
Then, you have motivation. Most people do not like to endure decades of suffering, because accomplishments are shaped by a Pareto distribution. The greatest predictor is a trauma in childhood (among gifted people), as in being an orphan or abused (Elon Musk is a good example).
IQ doesn't get you nowhere near what a good trauma or motive would. IQ is only needed in certain professions. Otherwise the average CEO wouldn't have around 120, which is 10 points less than an average PhD in physics (and that is just average).
Conscientiousness is the best predictor of success. Which comically enough is inversely correlated with IQ.
I think that given the number of ways in which people can accomplish things, life is quite balanced.
Having a low IQ means a disastrous life (it is important in that sense), having an average or high IQ really is not at all interesting respect to behavioural features you can develop if you focus. If you want fame?, well, that is not assured even with a high IQ (and not quite an ethically interesting goal. We should aspire to contribute and protect).
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Thank you a lot for this detailed discussion and counterpoint to my comment.
I'm aware that conscientious is the biggest factor to a successful and happy life, though my issue from the fact that the career I want to follow is heavily dependent in intelligence, it's a career choice that I've decided I really want to follow, or I see no purpose. Though this career, again, requires a lot of raw intelligence, but at the same time conscientious. Conscientious I have, I'm sure, intelligence not so sure.
I'll still do what I have to do, but actually I learned a lot from your outlook.
What do you mean by Elon Musk's example though?
@Chris Madison I think what he meant to say was hard work cant get you everywhere due to there being limitations on what we can do with the cards we are dealt. You have heard some example of people who have dropped out of school to try hard and make a business and they succeded but what about the people that didn't succeed?
Amen... There's a reason why I support you on patreon. You're a great role model.
The part relevant to the heading begins around minute 9. This is something we have forgotten as we have raced to build our competitive, highly educated "knowledge economies". In competitions there will always be losers, no matter what the absolute level of performance, and being a loser in a competition you never chose to enter doesn't make you a "loser".
Another brilliant conversation between intellectuals. Listening is pleasing to the ear.
"We are greater than our genes." - Hideo Kojima, Metal Gear franchise developer
Insecurity is a crazy thing, I want to better my life, but I don’t. I worry I’m stupid. People keep reassuring me it’s not the case but well I could be. Not that it means I’m a bad person so much but I could be. I’ve learnt that iq decreases as you get older.
It would explain my circumstances and lack of success with like anything. People are just interested in extracting worth from you and are uninterested in you otherwise it feels.
I feel judged harshly sexually from my lack of successes, wealth, status and worry no one will ever love me just for being me.
I get the impression no one wants to stick around with me once they realise I’m dumb, I overcompensate this which speeds up the process.
My only motivation in this world is sex, like it seems I care for nothing else! And being so sexually giving to people whom don’t care about me means I’ve been shamed so many times, that I almost doubted that (lucky I have at least one talent in this world other than music)
It’s weird because it’s not just me that feels this way, I know of people with degrees and kinds of successes that still feel like failures and unlovable.
I’ve been struggling with these feelings for such a long time that I’ve given up trying and worry that maybe I’m just stupid and weak? I have at least a sense of humour about it nowadays but I’m beyond lost.
This is why I have a lot more respect for Dr. Peterson than Stefan Molyneux.
Why?
I am The Batman Because Molyneux tends to reduce people to their IQ. He suggested that when applying for a job just send them your IQ test results. When I asked him about whether western liberalism paved the way for the radical left (an argument put forward succinctly in Patrick Deneen’s “Why Liberalism Failed’), Stefan told me that other countries aren’t as individualistic because of low IQs (even though more collectivist countries like Japan and Singapore consistently do better).
@Noel Westwood ruclips.net/video/zyu2jAD6sdo/видео.html
Noel Westwood Your arrogance and disdain for Africans is showing.
A few Black inventions.
automatic elevator doors, three-light traffic light, jazz, carbon light bulb filament
You have to be insane to give Molyneux ANY respect.
The most beautiful people I have ever known in my life have been intellectually handicapped.
Suggestion for a future vid: hiw do we protect our society from psychopaths and sociopaths?
Can we detect these at a young age and do anything preventative, or do something else?
I don't know about that. Thomas Edison would be considered a sociopath today. Just read what he did to sabotage fellow inventors. How about Elon Musk today? Or any politician in the world? Two glistening examples: Trump and Biden. The definition of sociopath or psychopath can be murky. The average person would consider the average infantryman a situational psychopath.
That still doesn't invalidate my basic point, in fact, part of what you say supports it. I don't know about the psychology of Biden, but it seems obvious to me that Trump is bad for the US and bad for the rest of the world. So that basically supports the point I'm trying to make. Besides, it has long been my opinion that too much power is concentrated into one position with the presidency. The president is almost like an elected king. Diluting such power also is a form of protection.
Similarly, we can protect our societies from dangerous people in other fields by protecting their potential victims or diluting the potential power of people. There are many ways to protect our societies from psychopaths and sociopaths, not just one.
@@diedertspijkerboer I agree with u, a presidencial state is quite a risk for it's population, I mean, not 100% absolutism but it is so in some degree; maybe more countries should apply a (idk if it is the right way to say it) a more advanced and better defined constitutional monarchy; but then again it would probably end up in Peru's situation (my country btw) in which specifically because of the power division there is no good politician (per say) that can do any good, getting utterly cockbloqued by other corrupt bastards and the Mafia.
Jeez trying to figure out a proper way to have a decent and fair social hierarchy
Oh, also, I have asked myself that exact question, and even though I have no medicine nor neurological knowledge (I sort of do but only as little as theoretically wise), my idea was that probably the examination would be based on the cerebral amigdala (is that how u say it) which determines the emotional reactions of the person, and in the case of known psychopaths it is partially underdeveloped, so yeah that will perhaps be the way to do so but once more, I can only speculate and theorize
@@claudiovaldivia583 My country, the Netherlands, is actually a constitutional monarchy, but with the king not having any political powers. Having a king is old fashioned, obviously, but in our system, the king can't do much harm.
More importantly, I think, we don't have districts. Political parties simply get the number of seats that equal the percentage of the vote they get. Our main parliament has 150 seats. If a party gets 10% of the vote, they get 10% of the seats, i.e. 15 seats. Since parties never get 50 percent of the vote, let alone more, they always have to share power with other parties and make compromises. I think that this system, though definitely not perfect, works quite well.
Ideally, I would prefer us not to have a king, but maybe a symbolic president, like they have in Germany. This president also doesn't have political powers, but is a kind of figure whose duties are to represent the nation and, be there in times of crisis, etc.
Humans have many qualities,intelligence is just one of then, so don't over estimate one,and underestimate all others .
Its on all of us to contribute to provide a meaningful life to people whom have these struggles -- I don't mean government action (which often produces the opposite effect anyways). You can look at it from an empathy perspective or a selfish perspective -- they do exist in our society, and without meaning (as I have seen in my own family) it can lead to destructive behavior.
You can be a test customer for developers
Let your guest talk :D
D:
to be fair, he...is speaking...so slowing...it's probably...making our professor a bit...anxious.
troll
Watch the full interveiw... listen to him all you want.
does anybody know a channel with speeches by dr peterson and beautiful video edits?
similar to the alan watts, carl sagan, sam harris, dawkins etc ones that are so popular
We each are born with a genetic endowment. Far from being equal we are each individually unique. Some are taller, some are shorter, some are smarter, some are dumber, some are fearful, some are brave, some are well and some are ill. Each individual must be judged as an individual and not pre-judged.
Very thoughtful. I agree with you 100%
Here's the thing:
If an IQ below 85 leads to a statistically higher likelihood that you'll commit crime, and ~15% of the population falls at or below this level... then isn't this a call of action to provide greater assistance and social programs to these individuals, to greatly reduce crime? I highly doubt an IQ of 85 or less *causes* crime, but I can definitely see it as being a factor that greatly increases ones propensity to commit crime, if you can't compete, you can't earn, you can't 'fit in' with the rest of the workforce very easily.
So what should we do? If we ignore them, we *guarantee* that we will continue to have higher crime rates. I think it's obvious that we need to expand our social programs.
No crime has more to do with disagreeableness, which is a personality trait that's independent of intelligence. Disagreeable people don't give two cents about other people.
I think that while I recognize the importance of acknowledging IQ’s predictive power - figures such as Haier still dismiss the full range of human experience and quality in qualifying our lives and each other.
There are neuro atypical people who achieve incredible things and make great artists, programmers, and everything else you could think of. They might even score low on an IQ test. It’s the exception and not the norm but convincing people that they’re just another statistic, that they can’t find anything that compels them is just... why not do something else with your time?
I think we can find a middle ground here. Somewhere between the gladwellian self determining attitude that pervades the social sciences, and the JBP “here’s the jobs you can perform if you’re not a complete moron” type speech. We can encourage people and focus on their strengths rather than their weaknesses.
Somehow I feel like JBP used to do this more, before he became an icon for naturalistic philosophy. Something happened where he stopped caring about the subjective, qualitative part of life. Idk maybe I’m wrong about that, but it feels like figures like JBP, Rubin, Molyneux, maybe even Harris fixate and obsess over the most controversial issues, and weird ideological dialogues about how “the left is out of control!!!” Again, why not do something else with your time?
As a serious question to anyone who genuinely feels they have something they can share that myself or anyone reading could possibly learn from:
The topic of IQ and what given score ranges mean is wide and deep, and a lot of it is just muck. So I'm curious to know what people who know a little bit on the subject think. What differences, major or minor, can someone with an IQ of about 115 expect when compared to someone with about a 140 IQ?
My hypothesis is that most IQ tests, no matter what the individual test is, will be to detect a pattern and then use it. Basically the world's made of a billion tiny pieces and the higher the IQ the easier a person could detect these patterns and then use them to solve a problem. So I would expect a higher IQ to notice more patterns and faster.
Any thoughts on that?
High Water TV something else that’s interesting is that if you have a really high IQ like 140. The differnce in intelligence in different fields(verbal, logical reasoning etc) increases. So on most types of intelligence you would not be that much better, but on a select few you would be drastically better.
Here's a serious response. I have two teenage kids with similar stats (120 vs 150). The difference in any performance involving the brain (i.e. almost everything) is stunning. One is 2 grade levels higher in math and the other is 6 levels ahead. In the time it takes one to learn 1 songs on her instrument, the other has learned 6. Acquisition, recall, and active use of knowledge requires substantial work in one but is visibly effortless for the other. For one, the standardized annual national exams ring in at 80% - 95% in all subjects. For the other, it's 99% in everything. Life isn't fair, but that's life. I can see the difference as a parent but outsiders would never guess at the variance except that one is obviously "quicker" with humor and adducing cultural/musical references in everyday conversation.
Sport how old are your two daughters, which is the one with higher IQ, and at which age did you begin tracking IQ.
I can't speak for anybody but myself when it comes to the value of people with low IQ. I have a learning disability or two that makes things like Adv. Algebra and Geometry difficult as well as frustrating so I can only assume I have a low IQ. I can do most things but I often struggle and people say I take too long to complete tasks etc. I can't help but feel like my life is just a joke being played on me. So I say if there's anyway of knowing your child will be mentally challenged do them a big favor and get a dog instead. JBH
Don't give up, brother. Don't give up! We are not our IQs any more than we are our 40 yard dash times. It's just another characteristic.
@@sport8133 thanks man. It's been awhile since I left this comment. Since then I've been reminiscing and pushing myself. It turns out I'm not as dumb as I thought. Just a bit dysfunctional. However, I also realized a lot about other people. They've been keeping me down this whole time. Unfortunately my breakthrough came a bit too late. Oh well. Thanks for the kind words 🙌
@@jessee7334 It's never too late. Ever. Keep punching.
In the 1990'S when I was at school the big bully boys had a low I.Q. but they where top of the Hirachy because high I.Q. could not overcome physical force. The clever kids in the library were smart but did not get the girls like the big bully boys. Obviously in the working world it's all so different. My point is there are some situations where being strong in the arm and thick in the head is advantageous.
Agreed, though of course this is a simplification that misses some complexity. Such as the low IQ person who is also naturally weak, or the very intelligent person who is very strong. Plus about a million other slight variables that impact how anyone can interact with the world and find the area they best fit.
It probably wasn't people of 80 IQ doing the bullying.
@@spencerevans8719 Yeah seems unlikely. I think most bullies have a relatively normal I.Q.
They follow peer pressure.
No, intelligence absolutely doesn't define a human being, but a low average IQ in a nation does limit the complexity of the society they can build!!
good choice on the thumbnail
I would say basic IQ can improve over experience from your life
That’s wisdom not iq
I have a couple of questions concerning the whole "race thing" that I'd like to ask:
-Where do all these statistics for "average race IQ" come from? I see a lot of these memes saying that "white people" have IQ x and "black people" have IQ y and so on but I never see any sources.
-Who are the people who are taking these IQ tests to begin with? Are these tests really representative for whole population groups or do they only reflect on the particular population subset, where the people tested come from?
-Honestly I don't really get what people mean by the term "race" to begin with. It seems so incredibly ill-defined and imprecise. Like sure, people with overwhelmingly african origin look different from people of majority european origin, but the same goes for eg. people form Ireland vs people from Portugal. So where do races "start" if you will and where do they end? Just defining it by continent seems incredibly arbitrary. I'd also be very curious to see the IQ differences between countries. Botswana for exemple is a country in Africa doing pretty well compared to the Republic of Congo for example. I wouldn't be surprised if they had different average IQs so simply classifying them both as "Black" would be pretty inaccurate.
-What is "Hispanic" supposed to mean? Just somebody from latin America with Spanish and Native origin? So shouldn't they be categorized as "mixed" (which seems to be a very broad term in and of itself)?
-Is there a difference in average IQ between "whites" in America and "native" europeans?
+van Helsing:
For a map of race and IQ, check it out here:
iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
For an example of a test of black and white South Africans:
ruclips.net/video/RxAhwYoZQKU/видео.html
For research whether the gap between black and white is nature or nurture, check out Minnesota Transracial adoption study:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
Noel Westwood Nice copy and paste.
It is actually so interesting that you can notice their personality differences by looking at the setting up of their rooms
Jordan can't say in one breath that our society is becoming so complex that it is leaving low IQ people behind, and in the other say that IQ doesn't equal value. Sure, you can be a good person, a good father, but if you aren't able yo provide for your children in a complex society (ie. aren't valuable to society).......
Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
30 hours to train someone to fold a piece of paper???
IQ equals speed but at some point up and/or down IQ means more. You have to recognize that IQ's of 60 and 140 are equally skewed and as such generate their own set of related personal problems.
I agree in terms of personal problems, we do have to take into consideration that the world is becoming more and more sophisticated like JP said, and thus less and less jobs will be available for the seemingly 'lower IQ' people
People should live or die on their own abilities, not the abilities of others to help them.
People who can and want to help helpless people should be allowed to do it.
unless it is consensual
Reading and writing abilities or disabilities have little to do with knowledge and skills. In some cases, it can take nearly a whole life before those disabilities can be overcome. I believe too much is put into having a degree and not enough into skills.
Your first sentence tells me that you have never worked with anyone who has a below average IQ.
Why did you talk over him the whole time?
The title is inaccurate
Me, a son of two married cousins wondering about if my iq surpasses the average level
IQ and personality in combination = ?
You need to remove that picture of hanx
What is the song at the end of the clip?
How can i test my iq please?
The internet is full of misleading content
Mensa iq test
Bruh his voice is so frantic. Never stops with the melodramatic run-on sentences. Take a fuckin breath
Jbp got some earrings action
Even he is a DR
If i were to take a wild guess, the reason for the US Military to NOT hire people with IQ of 83 and below is because they lack the mental capacity to understand the danger of handling a rifle.
After all, that´s the basic task a soldier starts with (standing in line and saluting aside). There is a certain level of understanding needed that what you are handling there can project a piece of metal out of itself fast and heavy enough to pierce through objects and still kill people.
Plus, the US is not the only nation with that kind of recruitment limitation, so the risk seems real, at least to them.
They merely take the base soldier as the minimum requirement, everything else comes after. Even a simple bag carrier.
@Deliq Absolutely true.
Iq is to a degree a human tool/construct. If iq would be measuring the ability of computer programming we would rapidly find most humans would score rather poorly. We know people score poorly, but do we know why it is so at the fundamental level?
Hopefully my IQ is high enough to get a job folding papers because it seems too stupid to do anything else successfully
Well that was depressing
These are considered sensitive topics for a reason. I mean there has to be one for people to hate them.
I think they are as important as they are depressing.
Yeah no the video titles just wrong
5:50 No. The reason why people hate IQ Jordan is because people find it
to quote William Sidis ( 1898 - 1944 ) "Pedantic and grossly misleading."
Amongst other reasons why people don't like it.
I love IQ though, and I have got a high IQ.
What about the war vets that come home and can't get jobs because their iq was high enough to go to war and come home with PTSD? Or the other highly intelligent people who do not want student debt and are not trust fund babies so do not have a degree although they are better qualified for specific jobs?
That's why you build portfolios that showcase your work. I have a friend from high school who at best has the equivalent of an associate's degree, but makes tons of money programming. So long as you have the abilities to demonstrate what you're capable of and are qualified you'll get the job. Now the PTSD I'm not so sure about. I don't think that PTSD has any sort of link to acquiring jobs like say traditional credentials, but my best guess when it comes to those people and the workplace would be to not put them into positions that could trigger their PTSD.
Oo that’s a shame I have a IQ of 145. I know how to speak American Philippines in German. Now i’m going to take classes on the French.
Insert the no one cares video.
I wanted to hear the second provocative statement :/
me too
David Buller :/
Some women marry downward not upward.
I think i'll go back to
GREENBOW ALABAMA!!!
Yeah the correlation between IQ and success(which is what IQ tests are supposed to measure) is mad low. Most ppl have never even taken an IQ test. So where do these studies come from?
IQ is your general competence.
It is positively correlated with all positive life-outcomes and agentic traits from height, agility, academics, income and negatively correlated with bad outcomes from homicide victimization and more.
IQ is independently correlated with criminal detection and punishment but not actual levels of crime.
People with higher IQs are more evolved and have more common alleles in SNP locations.
Even unmitigated agency.
Height??? Northeast Asians are short,and they dwarf white people in IQ test
IQ is an absolute? Does that mean that you only learn what is in your range of IQ, meaning is it unchangeable and determined genetically; or is it something that has a range of potential, which can change due to education, learning and personal experience?
Fenny Lopez It's absolute. It can only be lowered throughout your life not raised.
What the other person is saying isn't correct. You can "artificially" increase your IQ by learning a technical musical instrument as a child, or playing and understanding strategic videogames (understanding is more important than playing). Music can "give" 6-8 points, where six is the average, it's usually less. Chess is usually 3-5, same for the more complex japanese equivalents like Shogi or Go.
Sports are 1-2 depending on the activity, especially ones where team play is included. Sometimes even 3.
Between 6 and 12 years old is the biggest chance to increase IQ, anything beyond is often a stroke of luck or extremely difficult to keep up. As for why, it's because adolescents cave in to the massive floods of hormones and become difficult to direct.
As for education, it all depends on how much of it you can implement. Engineers and physicists are the smartest because they need literally all their school years down to the letter to get a job.
Your peak comes between 20-25, post that, if you want to keep your score/skills, you need to get the best diets around. It's not keeping a flexible thought process that lets you stay clever to 80 years. It's good food for the brain.
But you also gotta stop thinking you can do anything. Suppose IQ is all nonsense, the result is even worse because it means 99% of people in the world completely refuse to "get better". IQ gives lazy people an excuse at the very least. Otherwise, the entire world is a bunch of hypocritical idiots who can't be bothered to sharpen their skills and still complain to others more capable than them, it's disgusting.
Forrest Gump. Not retarded.
So What if 85 IQ is your nation's average? Isn't your nation doomed for eternity? Isn't that the case in Ethiopia?
well, if it were true, you look into the standard deviation
IQ is measure that was designed for individuals. You find several problems when you try and magnify it to a whole nations. especially non-western nations where you find problem with measuring it. there are language barriers, data collecting restrictions, theoretical limitations that stop people (rational people with no hidden motives) when people attempt this.
There is no IQ testing in Ethiopia at the moment. As far as i know, the only research that significantly measured an Ethiopian population was done by researchers in Israel who measured a relatively small group of isolated migrants (even Ethiopians don't like Jews lol) who had been winched away from their homes sometime during the late 90s (IIRC) . due to the nature of the migration of these migrants, their IQ scores were deemd to be the result of malnutrition and adjustment.
this means that the only conclusive evidence of a group of Ethiopians' IQ was the result of highly non-representative sample (and this is only putting it mildly).
from a pure measurement stance, the national average of Ethiopia is yet to be determined.
Daniel Milliams malnutrition is a big factor in low IQs and Ethiopia is certainly not a food basket.
Kamloops Fitness Coaching Peterson mentioned there was proof in areas where income equality is closer, despite IQ, criminality remains low due to the perceived fairer hierarchy. People are content with their standing.
Insulated fishing towns and rural villages have less crime. Ghettoised areas that mix highly contrasting wealth produces higher crime levels statistically.
I'm sure there's more to it because being violent is a viable way of climbing a dominance hierarchy. They just don't resort to that if they belive the society is fair.
"Insulated fishing towns and rural villages have less crime."
The human psyche has a much easier time picking anonymous victims than victims that have a known face, name, and life. It literally takes a psychosis or training to get past that aversion a lot of the time.
Besides that, the higher risk of being caught, and fact that people cut up for bait or used as fertilizer are unlikely recidivists could have a bit of an effect here.
The average IQ in the US was at the same level, only a view decades ago. Check out the so-called "Flynn effect".
theyre right, clever people SOLVE problems..wise people AVOID them...sometimes its far better to be wise...
It wouldnt be wise to ignore the approaching asteroid.
Clever people solve problem. Wise people can distinguish between the problems they have to solve, tho ones they have to avoid and the ones they have to prepare for
@@guillermodolla4776 I like the way I said it more
@@TylerDurden-oy2hm Of course you do. Then i assume that you consider that the best solution is ALWAYS to avoid the problem. Good luck with that
Muhammad Ali scored 78 on his army service IQ test. In many aspects of his life, he acted accordingly in respect to his IQ - I'm in no doubt about that- yet in the ring he was a genius; his grace, agility, and intuitions were phenomenal. Stick that in you're pipe Peterson. IQ isn't the be all and end all. It's a dangerous pathway if we act like it is. I'm certain of that.
Hey thanks. I have seen this and agree with Stefan, but as usual, I agree with him only in one dimension. As an athlete Ali was one of the greatest ever. In Americas free market economy that proved to be extremely valuable- he made millions out of his skill= apart from his IQ, employing many people and entertaining millions around the world. Like I say, he had 'value' and wasn't as useless as what seems to be implied by some folks. I just see it being a dangerous path when academics emerge from their labs or echo chambers and imply that (high) IQ is the only thing that matters. I read that Reinhard Heydrich had an IQ of 160, he was well read, highly eloquent, could pick up a violin and play like a maestro, yet he behaved like an absolute monster when the conditions called for it. In my opinion high IQ seems to have nothing to do with good behaviour in our interactions, which is fundamental in holding a society together, hence highly important. Id say more emphasis/research should be placed on emotional IQ, yet this doesn't seem very 'interesting' to many academics.
No it does not, but it defines groups of people and their culture. A group of 2 people cam already have an average.
I am thinking that he was speaking about the IQ testing in Canada.
But, theoretically, they should all be the same.
Inaccurate title
Jordan "McDonald's is actually complicated" Peterson
It defines their cognative limitaions.
I got a score of 113. What does it imply
You're above average. You can do a lot.
IQ + EQ = CQ It is much easier to increase IQ when your EQ is up. To increase EQ eat monatomics after which learning new forms of knowledge becomes much easier thus increasing your IQ. (Learning becomes effortless when your EQ is up) CQ is your natural ability to comprehend information in order to create actions. Everybody’s IQ and EQ is slightly different that’s why we all comprehend things a little bit different and learn faster or slower than others doing the same things.
IQ may not define a human being but if we want high technology and advancement in medicine we better care about a nation’s average IQ or we’ll have none of those things.
Jordan talks over the other dude too much
This is getting really close to the "Jewish Question" that Marx and other Socialist debated. IE: what to do with those that doesn't fit in. It's something we should discuss. This needs to be stressed. *This is dangerous waters you guys are talking about.*
Ugh.. you cut it off before he made his second point.
Iq does not means so much as we make it inr our society and we have to distinguish between inteligance and wisdom for example i know a famous professor who had no less then 7 Phds! and yet he never had the coordination to get a driving license he failed time after time in those tests and ultimatley he gave up trying
I disagree with the statement that IQ has nothing to do with conscientiousness. Mr. Peterson states that the correlation is zero. Well... than the definition must be extremely narrow, so it does not include any human trait which requires higher brain function. For example self awareness, empathy, subtle humor (like sarcasm), artistic sense, and many many others. Dear Mr. Peterson... if you recognize facts, that does not make you a bad person. Also, (as you definitely experienced it already many times), no amount of virtue signaling and political correctness can save you from the wrath of marxists if you disagree with them even about a single tiny thing.
that pop will give you gut rot Peterson
IQ doesn't define human beings, for sure, but it does correlate with how useful or f-ing useless they are.
wow you try to train ppl> serious?
Who the hell actually knows their own iq score!! Weirdos that’s who
You sound kinda salty there, you aight bro? (Just kidding, have a nice one!)
Why Are We Still Here Haha I guess you know yours ..😂
@@kirkmcgraw735 nope :D
This exchange made me laugh... hahaha
So what do you do with this 10 to 15%?
Is it possible to, say, channel them into some kind of simple agricultural work?
Beef Chavez Didnt he imply rhat isnt possible either? And then we dont want slaves either. What do you think?
Cody Evans Who said slaves? We could pay them. Same for boring internet moderation, where you dont need IQ, just moral fibre.
We do what we do with them now; give them welfare to keep them satiated. Alternatively, we could start executing them
Bink Bonk you'll be among the first to go, you low IQ simp
We STILL must deal honestly and openly with the FACT that approximately HALF of the American black population (and MOST of the native American population..), DO NOT have the IQ or temperament to be able to function, to perform ANY job in our increasingly mechanized and technological societies. We should recognize that a significant portion of our population is still functioning at the hunter/gatherer level of human intelligence/development.
Perhaps we could restore the plains habitat, the prairie ecosystems of bison and elk migrations of the American west. This would also help increase rainfall throughout the region. Then those with an IQ below 85 (or ANY IQ, for that matter; some people would just like to 'get back to nature') could have a place where they could live either a nomadic or small 'little house on the prairie' or 'cowboy' level of towns and lifestyle. They NEED a simpler and slower pace, and a life more connected to nature. Over time and generations, they will naturally increase their IQ's as they steadily integrate and move their populations forward at their own pace, PLUS we get the ecosystems and rainfall restored to the American west; it's win/win.
The Army use to take anyone that could “stop a bullet”
Red army maybe, not western armies
but I know people with high IQ with serious difficulty to understand normal aspects of life.too high IQ can be a handicap
That is exactly the reason wisdom and intelligance are considerd a two diffrent things
The alt right won't like this... lol
That Whites don´t have the highest average IQ?
They are completely aware of it.
Tom Again, aware of it. People who think IQ defines humans, or is greatest among whites.... arent members of the alt right.
I'm happy with it :)
We need to spam this video at every alt right channel, twitter, etc harder than Sargon of Akkad spammed them with gay interracial porn.
If you think Peterson's lectures are anti-alt-right then i'm going to laugh. He helped me understand them.
Peterson has said that iq is real, and that its heritable, and so is behavioral temperaments.
Pretty disillusioned. Still not red pilled.
I love Jordan, but when he interviews people he needs to learn to shut up a bit and let the other one speak too! :)
It wasn't an interview, it was a conversation
Damn, I wonder what my iq is.
At least 2 bro
@@spencermatheny4565 LOL.
Yerkes U.S army intelligence testing... what a mess, Alfred Binet though, what a guy! And the till thing, you see this is why I work for my husband, cuz I got the average stick... do do do 💯 😂🤣 🎵🎶, that was quite a good joke for my metaphorically impaired mind...huh I can give em out but can't take em in.
as Søren Kierkegaard once said: " Jordan Peterson is a fake scientist though he is good on SJW shit."
I used to be pretty bright as a kid. Now i'm as dumb as they come thanks to a life of playing video games. It's true - "use it or lose it".
THE LORD is good. HIS Son, Jesus Christ is Awesome.
Universal Basic Income, anyone?
Intelligence is overrated. I’ll take class and decency over intelligence anyday.
Prof. Peterson, would you be so kind as to make that gentleman Stefan Molyneux write everything past 8:20 on a blackboard one time for each of your IQ points if he ever comes and wants to talk publically with you again?
In case anyone wonders why: ruclips.net/video/fWio9R5XQ8A/видео.html
I am not fan of trigger warnings but I will give one for this: You might feel a desire to pull it on this guy while watching this. At least I did.