I've already posted this below, but all old Trainer cards are considered Items, for anyone wondering. From the compendium: Q: In Unlimited, can I use Korrina to get old Trainer cards like Professor Oak, Item Finder, etc.? A: Yes. If a card is not a Supporter or a Stadium card, it would be considered an Item card by a new card effect. Source: TPCi Rules Team (2014-09-04)
as someone who played the TCG all the way back when base set was the only set, i looked through my old deck recently. four gust of wind, four super energy removals, one energy removal, two computer searches, two item finders, three professor oaks. and the only reason why i didn't have more is because computer search and item finder were rare cards that i couldn't pull from boosters, and i couldn't fit more item cards into my deck. that era of the pokemon TCG was hilariously broken.
Hypnotoxic Laser would have been one of my choices, or at least close to entering the list. It is a case like reset stamp where it is an ok card on its own, but because of the context around the card it becomes really powefull and enables some nasty strategies With virbank city gym you got guaranteed 30 damage from poison with a chance to also confuse the opponent, and if they fail to remove the stadium/poison the damage kept adding between turns, so now decks that had low damage started doing decent damage, and decks with already high damage got into OHKO ranges.
There was Virizion decks which nullify it, but the most common counter to it was a float stone Keldeo. Some decks even ran two of them to ensure they were never trapped asleep in the active.
Catcher wasn't the only reprint in the history of the TCG that wasn't based on a mistranslation. There's also Rare Candy, which originally could be used on the turn you play the basic, but received an official errata during Black & White.
Since you talked about this topic in the video, why don't you go for "top 10 cards that received an errata for being mistranslated"? Seems like a fun idea!
One more thing that really helped vs seeker on it's latest reprint was that the meta had shifted around discarding your own resources to get other ones with cards like ultra ball and professors research, this made discarding your supporters a mostly risk free strategy if you could get them back at a later turn
Super Energy Removal is the best item card ever. It straight up stops your opponent from playing. It will never be reprinted, even as a Supporter or 1 copy per deck card.
I feel like it would be especially powerful in the current format where players often tend to favor decks that play attackers that can be set up to attack with 2 energies, or that otherwise play cards that act as 2 energies in a single card (such as double turbo energy or Rapid Strike Energy, for example). Being able to take 2 energies off the board would be devastating for many of the best decks that have been seeing play recently
I remember back around 1999-2000, that super energy removal was so prevalent, that it almost single handedly made most pokemon useless. I tried to use so many different decks, but in the end, like most people at the time I just resorted to haymaker. For as strong as cards like Oak, computer search and item finder were, it was Super Energy Removal(and normal energy removal) that forced the meta to be what it was. I always felt bad using 4 copies of both, because of how boring it made games, but you still had to use it otherwise you were at a severe disadvantage. I no longer play the game, and don't really have a good understanding of what the meta is like now, but since it seems like you can still draw a lot of cards, risk free energy removals can never return.
It wasn't played that much during the SP era. Mainly because you already had good draw and support with Uxie and Claydol. Also, when Vileplume came out. Item counts dropped, because they didn't want useless cards in their hand feeding a Gengar poltergeist.
i think the list should be 1 professor oak 2 bill 3 energy removal 4 gust of wind 5 scoop up 6 ultra ball 7 vs seeker 8 battle compressor 9 pow hand extension 10 rare candy
The beauty of VS seeker is that in combination with battle compressor, it allows you to play just a single copy of any situational supporter cards and still have access to them pretty consistently. This opens up space for more cards. For example most expanded decks only play a single copy each of Guzma, Ranger, N, Raihan, Colress or Guzma&Hala, and still can get away with it because of VS Seeker.
I just noticed that the Pokemon Tcg is kinda like the Magic Tcg. Both first set's Non-monster cards were completely overpowered and are still the best cards even by today's standards, and both of their monster cards were extremely weak by today's standards.
Pre errata rare candy should on the list. All 3 Team Galatic Inventions should've got a shout out at least. Although belonging to an archetype, they were really powerful. -Scoop up a pokemon and ALL cards attached -Making a pokemon require 1 less colorless energy to attack (mind you at the time tool removal wasn't really a thing) - And block poke powers that could even be used on your opponent's turn SP pokemons were something else back then
Computer Seach was a Card I pulled from the Boundries Crossed Prerelease, and I still have it, it's been my defacto ace spec in my Eels deck ever since
I would 100% challenge your claim that crushing hammer has never been a meta defining card. Back during the Dragapult VMAX, Eternatus VMAX, etc. era, crushing hammer was an absolute necessity for most decks to keep up since there was very little energy acceleration. Going first was a huge deal, getting off turn one energy accelerator could make or break your game, missing a manual attachment was devastating, and crushing hammers single handedly could decide a whole game. I’m sure anyone who played during this time would agree. Great video though!
I think it's unfair to treat cards before B&W as items when there is no text on the card stating that they are categorized as such. They're just vanilla trainers
They also aren't effected by Item Lock effects (Vikavolt V, for example) in Unlimited. They aren't item cards. This might be the first major miss for Dex Logs
We should note that in Japan “Vanilla” Trainers have already been called Items cards (or rather グッズ Goods cards) since the dawn of the HeartGold SoulSilver era, while in the 2011-2012 modified format, in which both HGSS and early BW era cards were legal, the handful of legal “Vanilla” Trainer cards were ruled to be Item cards. And TPCi has even gone as far as to label all the Vanilla Trainers, on their website as Items, going all the way back to EX Ruby & Sapphire, the first set TPCi released, after Wizard’s licensing rights have lapsed.
@@radaf4429 if he's going to include trainers from base set why not just include Bill or Professor Oak? They're exactly the same as Energy Removal or Item Finder by your conclusion
Imagine Yu-Gi-Oh had a card like Master Ball. Just a spell card that says "Add 1 monster from your deck to your hand." with no restrictions. That card would be broken. It just shows how different the games are.
Yeah, the games are very different in effect desirability, there are archetype cards that search, but given that foolish burial is already pretty good, you'll never see a card like battle compressor in Yu-Gi-Oh
@@ChromeBirb Definitely not. A triple Foolish Burial that could also trigger discard effects and works with any card instead of just monsters would be way too powerful, especially with Ishizu Tearlaments being a tier 0 deck.
Professor's Research was called Professor Sycamore at the time. If you're calling Lysandre Lysandre I think you should keep the print names consistent.
cards get errata'd all the time, you showed one in the video, quick ball. another was hyper potion. usually it happens when the pokemon company wants to reclaim an iconic item
Thats not really an errata though, they just completely changed the effects of a card under the same name. You cant take a quickball with the old printing to a tournament today for example. What happened to catcher that was unique was an admittedly balance oriented errata, as they just added a restriction to the card years after the release while older copies were still legal and even allowed the use of old printings of the card in tournaments.
Battle compressor is probably the most powerful item ever printed. Oak is a supporter but supporter rules weren't a thing yet. This list would be more interesting using actual items. Vs seeker and battle compressor and pre errata catcher are the most broken items ever
Interestingly the Item Card "Team Flare Battle Compressor" did not make an appearance despite being probably one of, if not THE biggest banworthy item card
Shoutouts to: Windstorm / field blower Sp spray Sp return Pokemon center / max potion - like why didn’t you guys place them at 5th spot? !swoop teleporter !pow hand extension Defender (from base set) Brocks protection Rare candy Pokemon retriver / rescue stretcher Premier ball Max elixir The new lightning max elixir from scarlet and violet (Excluding tool cards)
That would be Double Gust from Neo Genesis. It was pretty popular back then since most decks ran lots of 0 Retreat attackers like Sneasel or the Babies(which all had the Baby Pokemon Rulebox that made your opponent have to flip a coin to attack) or heavy tanks with Special Metal Energy like Steelix or Chansey. Due to that the downside could be mitigated or a non-issue based on your Bench spread.
Imagine a trading card game with no shuffle. 90% of playing card games seems to be invalidating the shuffle, so what is there left to do if there's no shuffle to invalidate in a game?
I gotta say while i generally prefer playing the old tcg, playing with/against ER/SER is absolute cancer. Nothing quite like doing nothing for 8 turns because every single energy you attach gets removed immediately. Its also one of the reasons why Electabuzz/Hitmonchan were so popular in Base, since both have 1 Energy Attacks.
Because after placing the 6 prizes and drawing 7 cards at the start of the game + 1 on your first turn, your deck is left with 46 cards, so if you draw 28 cards you are def drawing more than half your deck.
Bill is in the same ballpark as Oak. That said a +1 is nowhere near as broken as in something like Yugioh. Altough its still pretty much an auto-include in every deck thats not stall. Even the tcg gameboy game tells you to always put 2-4 copies of both Bill and Oak in every deck.
havent played pookjemoin in like 12 years but I still have a billion old cards and i made two decks with them to play with friends and a girlfriend. io have some of the cards in this video if you want them i can sell them to you :3 I can't LOG INTO MY POKEMON ACCOUNT ANYMORE BUT I TRIED REALLY OFTEN... even resettet the password but somehow it does not work anymore :(
Professor Elm is way better than Oak! If you use Elm traimer Card you put your hand card right into your deck and draw 7 card again! After you can't play anny trainer cards afterwards. And you forgot to mention dubble gust! Yes I am a OG player.
He shouldn't have put non-specified Trainers from the early days in here as they aren't items and don't interact with things like Item Lock in thr Unlimited format.
@@seantaft3853 The video is correct, from the compendium: Q: In Unlimited, can I use Korrina to get old Trainer cards like Professor Oak, Item Finder, etc.? A:Yes. If a card is not a Supporter or a Stadium card, it would be considered an Item card by a new card effect. Source: TPCi Rules Team (2014-09-04)
Any old Trainer card that hasn’t been reprinted/errata’d is a de facto Item card. Professor Oak hasn’t been reprinted since before Supporters became a thing. And no, Juniper, Sycamore, and Professor’s Research don’t count as a reprint.
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Shoutouts to Rare Candy, always a way to actually consider using stage 2 Pokémon
It's basically a pokemon breader card.
I've already posted this below, but all old Trainer cards are considered Items, for anyone wondering. From the compendium:
Q: In Unlimited, can I use Korrina to get old Trainer cards like Professor Oak, Item Finder, etc.?
A: Yes. If a card is not a Supporter or a Stadium card, it would be considered an Item card by a new card effect.
Source: TPCi Rules Team (2014-09-04)
as someone who played the TCG all the way back when base set was the only set, i looked through my old deck recently.
four gust of wind, four super energy removals, one energy removal, two computer searches, two item finders, three professor oaks. and the only reason why i didn't have more is because computer search and item finder were rare cards that i couldn't pull from boosters, and i couldn't fit more item cards into my deck.
that era of the pokemon TCG was hilariously broken.
Hypnotoxic Laser would have been one of my choices, or at least close to entering the list.
It is a case like reset stamp where it is an ok card on its own, but because of the context around the card it becomes really powefull and enables some nasty strategies
With virbank city gym you got guaranteed 30 damage from poison with a chance to also confuse the opponent, and if they fail to remove the stadium/poison the damage kept adding between turns, so now decks that had low damage started doing decent damage, and decks with already high damage got into OHKO ranges.
There was Virizion decks which nullify it, but the most common counter to it was a float stone Keldeo. Some decks even ran two of them to ensure they were never trapped asleep in the active.
Catcher wasn't the only reprint in the history of the TCG that wasn't based on a mistranslation. There's also Rare Candy, which originally could be used on the turn you play the basic, but received an official errata during Black & White.
Yeah, but Catcher was errated during the same period it got released, not years or generations after.
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Since you talked about this topic in the video, why don't you go for "top 10 cards that received an errata for being mistranslated"? Seems like a fun idea!
One more thing that really helped vs seeker on it's latest reprint was that the meta had shifted around discarding your own resources to get other ones with cards like ultra ball and professors research, this made discarding your supporters a mostly risk free strategy if you could get them back at a later turn
Idea for a future video:
Top 10 best Pokémon with 0-cost attacks (Alolan Vulpix from Guardians Rising for reference).
Super Energy Removal is the best item card ever. It straight up stops your opponent from playing. It will never be reprinted, even as a Supporter or 1 copy per deck card.
I feel like it would be especially powerful in the current format where players often tend to favor decks that play attackers that can be set up to attack with 2 energies, or that otherwise play cards that act as 2 energies in a single card (such as double turbo energy or Rapid Strike Energy, for example). Being able to take 2 energies off the board would be devastating for many of the best decks that have been seeing play recently
I remember back around 1999-2000, that super energy removal was so prevalent, that it almost single handedly made most pokemon useless. I tried to use so many different decks, but in the end, like most people at the time I just resorted to haymaker. For as strong as cards like Oak, computer search and item finder were, it was Super Energy Removal(and normal energy removal) that forced the meta to be what it was.
I always felt bad using 4 copies of both, because of how boring it made games, but you still had to use it otherwise you were at a severe disadvantage. I no longer play the game, and don't really have a good understanding of what the meta is like now, but since it seems like you can still draw a lot of cards, risk free energy removals can never return.
Battle compressor is basically pokemon's foolish burial. No wonder its good
VS Seeker was such an amazing card in SP decks though. Not being limited to only 4 Cyrus's Conspiracy changed the gameplan for SP decks exponentially.
It wasn't played that much during the SP era. Mainly because you already had good draw and support with Uxie and Claydol. Also, when Vileplume came out. Item counts dropped, because they didn't want useless cards in their hand feeding a Gengar poltergeist.
Another great vid. Would love one about the most dominant decks of their respective era
i think the list should be
1 professor oak
2 bill
3 energy removal
4 gust of wind
5 scoop up
6 ultra ball
7 vs seeker
8 battle compressor
9 pow hand extension
10 rare candy
Personally I'd rank Bill higher, because it's an auto 4 of in any deck and is a spamable card that can be played without any drawback.
Computer search instead of ultra ball. It's strictly better and a lot better
The beauty of VS seeker is that in combination with battle compressor, it allows you to play just a single copy of any situational supporter cards and still have access to them pretty consistently. This opens up space for more cards. For example most expanded decks only play a single copy each of Guzma, Ranger, N, Raihan, Colress or Guzma&Hala, and still can get away with it because of VS Seeker.
Lass was busted, being able to get rid of ALL of your opponents trainer cards leaving them stranded is insane for an “item” card
how does this legend upload 2 videos at the SAME TIME
Max Elixir deserves some mention for allowing you to bypass the usual 1 energy per turn limit
I just noticed that the Pokemon Tcg is kinda like the Magic Tcg. Both first set's Non-monster cards were completely overpowered and are still the best cards even by today's standards, and both of their monster cards were extremely weak by today's standards.
Pre errata rare candy should on the list.
All 3 Team Galatic Inventions should've got a shout out at least. Although belonging to an archetype, they were really powerful.
-Scoop up a pokemon and ALL cards attached
-Making a pokemon require 1 less colorless energy to attack (mind you at the time tool removal wasn't really a thing)
- And block poke powers that could even be used on your opponent's turn
SP pokemons were something else back then
I miss some of these cards so much. I built some absolutely brutal decks with half of these lol
Computer Seach was a Card I pulled from the Boundries Crossed Prerelease, and I still have it, it's been my defacto ace spec in my Eels deck ever since
How Power Spray is not on this list is beyond me. It was so good in its format and has been the only every handtrap.
All team Galatic Inventions should've got at least a shout out
I would 100% challenge your claim that crushing hammer has never been a meta defining card. Back during the Dragapult VMAX, Eternatus VMAX, etc. era, crushing hammer was an absolute necessity for most decks to keep up since there was very little energy acceleration. Going first was a huge deal, getting off turn one energy accelerator could make or break your game, missing a manual attachment was devastating, and crushing hammers single handedly could decide a whole game. I’m sure anyone who played during this time would agree. Great video though!
I think it's unfair to treat cards before B&W as items when there is no text on the card stating that they are categorized as such. They're just vanilla trainers
They also aren't effected by Item Lock effects (Vikavolt V, for example) in Unlimited.
They aren't item cards.
This might be the first major miss for Dex Logs
We should note that in Japan “Vanilla” Trainers have already been called Items cards (or rather グッズ Goods cards) since the dawn of the HeartGold SoulSilver era, while in the 2011-2012 modified format, in which both HGSS and early BW era cards were legal, the handful of legal “Vanilla” Trainer cards were ruled to be Item cards. And TPCi has even gone as far as to label all the Vanilla Trainers, on their website as Items, going all the way back to EX Ruby & Sapphire, the first set TPCi released, after Wizard’s licensing rights have lapsed.
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I literally didn't care. This is about trainers you could play as many times as you wanted per turn. The video makes sense.
@@radaf4429 if he's going to include trainers from base set why not just include Bill or Professor Oak? They're exactly the same as Energy Removal or Item Finder by your conclusion
Alakazam base set, Chansey and combined with pokecenter is a great combo.
For Scoop Up We have a new Supporter card Penny from Scarlet as a stronger version of. You keep all cards attached to it.
Imagine Yu-Gi-Oh had a card like Master Ball. Just a spell card that says "Add 1 monster from your deck to your hand." with no restrictions. That card would be broken. It just shows how different the games are.
Yeah, the games are very different in effect desirability, there are archetype cards that search, but given that foolish burial is already pretty good, you'll never see a card like battle compressor in Yu-Gi-Oh
@@ChromeBirb Definitely not. A triple Foolish Burial that could also trigger discard effects and works with any card instead of just monsters would be way too powerful, especially with Ishizu Tearlaments being a tier 0 deck.
Professor's Research was called Professor Sycamore at the time. If you're calling Lysandre Lysandre I think you should keep the print names consistent.
I have no idea what I just saw 😂 but it's very interesting to learn about pokemon TCG.
cards get errata'd all the time, you showed one in the video, quick ball. another was hyper potion. usually it happens when the pokemon company wants to reclaim an iconic item
Thats not really an errata though, they just completely changed the effects of a card under the same name. You cant take a quickball with the old printing to a tournament today for example. What happened to catcher that was unique was an admittedly balance oriented errata, as they just added a restriction to the card years after the release while older copies were still legal and even allowed the use of old printings of the card in tournaments.
Idea: Top 10 best Free attacks (energy-less / Yanmega Prime)
Battle compressor is probably the most powerful item ever printed. Oak is a supporter but supporter rules weren't a thing yet. This list would be more interesting using actual items. Vs seeker and battle compressor and pre errata catcher are the most broken items ever
It's very funny that pokemon has the equivalent of a triple foolish burial and it's only *pretty good*
Or how we have a draw 3 card whose only downside is it's once per turn and it's absolute garbo.
Battle compressor is a lot more powerful than some of the cards on this list. Also crushing hammer was heavily played like two years ago
Man, I remembered losing to Pokémon Catcher ~2012
Ultimate feels bad when you get game'd because your EX gives 2 prize cards ⚰️
Interestingly the Item Card "Team Flare Battle Compressor" did not make an appearance despite being probably one of, if not THE biggest banworthy item card
Crushing hammer gives me PTSD. Most anxiety provoking card ever.
Shoutouts to:
Windstorm / field blower
Sp spray
Sp return
Pokemon center / max potion - like why didn’t you guys place them at 5th spot?
!swoop teleporter
!pow hand extension
Defender (from base set)
Brocks protection
Rare candy
Pokemon retriver / rescue stretcher
Premier ball
Max elixir
The new lightning max elixir from scarlet and violet
(Excluding tool cards)
with 4 professor oak, 4 computer search , 4 bill and 4 item finder, you could literally draw your entire deck first turn
This is the video he was showing the ghost in the newest video about otherworldly cards.
I wonder if a Gust that after lets your opponent countergust would be worth anything.
That would be Double Gust from Neo Genesis. It was pretty popular back then since most decks ran lots of 0 Retreat attackers like Sneasel or the Babies(which all had the Baby Pokemon Rulebox that made your opponent have to flip a coin to attack) or heavy tanks with Special Metal Energy like Steelix or Chansey. Due to that the downside could be mitigated or a non-issue based on your Bench spread.
I am surprised Lass didn't make it on to the list.
Imagine a trading card game with no shuffle.
90% of playing card games seems to be invalidating the shuffle, so what is there left to do if there's no shuffle to invalidate in a game?
your voice is familiar XD you play yugioh? or do you have a yugioh channel?
I fully expected Lass to be #1, lol.
During the VS Seeker section you showed professor’s research when it should’ve been Professor Sycamore or Juniper
They have the exact same effect
Thanks
i feel like double puzzle honestly could have deserved a spot, or trainers mail. that being said, good list
I gotta say while i generally prefer playing the old tcg, playing with/against ER/SER is absolute cancer. Nothing quite like doing nothing for 8 turns because every single energy you attach gets removed immediately. Its also one of the reasons why Electabuzz/Hitmonchan were so popular in Base, since both have 1 Energy Attacks.
I'm calling it, vs seeker has to be in the top 5, maybe even #1
Wait, since when is drawing under half your deck considered "almost all your deck"
Because after placing the 6 prizes and drawing 7 cards at the start of the game + 1 on your first turn, your deck is left with 46 cards, so if you draw 28 cards you are def drawing more than half your deck.
@@Redfire8338 Still not "almost all your deck" when it's over half. 60% is definitely not "almost all".
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How do you not put trainers mail or especially battle compressor on this list?
Top 10 cards that can draw exactly 3 cards
Number 1: Roller Skates
Number 2: Hop/Hau/Cheren…
I know he mentioned that pokemon catcher was the only errata, but wasnt quick ball erratad recently when the new one came out or am I losing it?
Surprised that Bill isn't on the list, a free +1 is broken in any card game.
Bill is in the same ballpark as Oak. That said a +1 is nowhere near as broken as in something like Yugioh. Altough its still pretty much an auto-include in every deck thats not stall. Even the tcg gameboy game tells you to always put 2-4 copies of both Bill and Oak in every deck.
I run 4 gust of wind, 4 Chern and 4 N I have like 7 pokemon
Why was the picture of Pokémon Reversal from one of the ex era versions and not the HGSS version?
Likely a speaking error and he meant it say that pokemon reversal came out in 2003.
Putting VS seeker so low is beyond me
How did Pot of Bill not make the list? or get a shoutout?
Ok but what Professor Oak does?
they should reprint all of these for the memes one day
havent played pookjemoin in like 12 years but I still have a billion old cards and i made two decks with them to play with friends and a girlfriend. io have some of the cards in this video if you want them i can sell them to you :3 I can't LOG INTO MY POKEMON ACCOUNT ANYMORE BUT I TRIED REALLY OFTEN... even resettet the password but somehow it does not work anymore :(
What about Bill?
Professor Elm is way better than Oak! If you use Elm traimer Card you put your hand card right into your deck and draw 7 card again! After you can't play anny trainer cards afterwards.
And you forgot to mention dubble gust! Yes I am a OG player.
Hey your voice sounds like theduellogs
Why did you put the wrong catcher in the video 🤦
no VIP pass?
18:35 2020 says hello 😂
Weedle gets screwed a lot huh
I came here for the Unfunnyjokes
Not really a fair video since all early trainers are considered items lmao
He shouldn't have put non-specified Trainers from the early days in here as they aren't items and don't interact with things like Item Lock in thr Unlimited format.
@@seantaft3853 common Rahul L
@@seantaft3853 The video is correct, from the compendium:
Q: In Unlimited, can I use Korrina to get old Trainer cards like Professor Oak, Item Finder, etc.?
A:Yes. If a card is not a Supporter or a Stadium card, it would be considered an Item card by a new card effect.
Source: TPCi Rules Team (2014-09-04)
Gust of wind PogU
Prof oak don't look like an item card to me 🤔🧐
Any old Trainer card that hasn’t been reprinted/errata’d is a de facto Item card. Professor Oak hasn’t been reprinted since before Supporters became a thing. And no, Juniper, Sycamore, and Professor’s Research don’t count as a reprint.
Bill has been reprinted as a Supporter, however.
L list
Please do a video on why 2011 was so bad