Thanks! You know what would be killer? If you guys came out with a small box with the guts of the Rode VMP. I would love a simple inline attenuator/preamp from Rode!
Agree on this one. In general, now when video recordings are going to get easier for everyone, some kind of "external" recorder like the H1, but with the RØDE VMP goodness inside would be perfect for the vlogger/RUclips'r that doesn't have the money for DSLR + RØDE VMP, and since a lot of handycams doesn't have stereo input, a device like this would be GOLD!!
This is so pointless because the quality of audio that you feed into your camera/dslr is going to be noisy as hell. Creative yes but more research should have been done.
@Mugen00 someone has already made a video about this, just coming here and point it out as a warning for everyone else. not sure how much money/time has been wasted following this video just to find out the awful audio file that you have in post-production.
Exactly! The splitter connects both outputs in parallel. Camera input is high impedance (it "reads" voltage), while headphones are low impedance (they draw current). This is additional load on recorder output is similar to shorting your signal to ground using coil/resistor. It will make your signal weaker. Also the headphones have different impedance at different frequencies, so they will affect lows more than highs. Also headphones work in reverse like dynamic microphones and they add to the length of cable, so they catch both acoustic and electromagnetic noise. Another problem is that you obviously can't control the headphone output volume, because it would also affect the camera input. If you have headphones with volume control integrated in cable, this can also interfere with recording in same way as headphones do (imagine connecting and disconnecting the headphones to the system as a worst case scenario).
Also i need to say that there is solution for all of this. You can add external headphone amplifier which will have the same high-impedance input as the camera has. So it will take the burden of powering the headphones and keep the recorder output happy. There will be only two high-impedance devices connected to Y splitter, which do not load the line very much.
@@harviecz I don't know if you can read this, but I have this one Problem, My problem is that DJ Person is bad and always forget to turn down Background music when Couple's Give speeches in the Reception ( I am Talking about Wedding Event), Now I want to connect a device to the microphone directly by splitting the xlr going to the mixer to my Zoomh1n and Zoomh1, that way I can only Record the Audio and not the audio with the background music? Is it possible? if it is, what device should I buy in order to achieve this? If you can reply, it would be a great help.
@@exogendesign4582 I don't really understand your setup, but XLR is ballanced signal and zoom needs unballanced. There are baluns to convert ballanced to unballanced, but i am not sure if that will work with splitter, that might not be possible. BTW do you know there are mixers which can automaticaly lower the volume of music, when microphone voice is detected? (But the music will come back almost immediately when they stop speaking, eg. when doing dramatic pause)
Looks like a decent upgrade! The biggest problem with the H1 is the plastic screw thread. Mine's already worn out, so I've been attaching it to other gear with elastic bands.
'Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead....' why do Americans say this all the time? 'You can go ahead and check the screws.' Why can't you just check the screws?
No different from the H1 on its own. People seem pretty freaked out by adapters, but the tech and sci is pretty simple. The only problem with this stuff is when you start running long cables or have so many adapters that the grounding gets messy.
@@dslrvideoshooter Thank you for the video. But I'm not sure if I am understanding it correctly. So by doing this "hack", it allows the H1 to record the audio from the XLR Mics. While also sending that audio signal, over to camera of choice (Me=GoPro). But does the camera also record its own audio from its internal speakers? Or do both audio signals get overlayed on top of each other, into 1 file? Or is the camera, only recording the audio signals that are coming from the XLR Mics? Also wondering with this setup installed, do the on board microphones of the Zoom H1 also capture/record sound? Because the h1 is a dual track recorder? I'm sorry for all the silly questions. Your help would be greatly appreciated 🙏
As someone who used DSLR Video Shooter's link to buy the Dual XLR to 3.5mm Jack I can say with certainty this cable is crap. It's not wired correctly for stereo use. With one mic per channel. Instead the XLR connectors are wired in parallel and the 1/8" TRS is configured as a balanced audio connection. I don't own a DSLR but I can say this cable is wired wrong for a camcorder with a stereo wired 1/8" TRS connector. Fortunately this can be fixed if you know how to solder. Remove the 3 screws on each XLR connector. Remove the cover of the XLR by pulling back on it. Be sure to remove the metal strain relief first that you unscrewed. You'll find the XLRs wired like this. Pin Color 1 bare copper 2 Red on one XLR, orange on the 2nd. 3 White On the one with the orange wire, unsolder the orange wire, cut off the excess copper and pull it back. On the one with the red wire unsolder the white wire and move the red wire to pin2. Cut off the excess white wire copper and pull it back. Finally short with a short piece of wire pins 1+3 on each XLR. Now reassemble. Now each XLR will go with each channel. If you do leave a channel unplugged expect hum though. Does not seem to effect the other channel. I can't believe he recommended this cable. Did he ever try it? Pro tip I should have seen myself. If the XLRs are not marked with channel identifications by word or color, it is unlikely stereo. But then again are there any 1/8" devices with balanced audio?
That's uhhh... Creative. But seriously if you are at a level where you need dual xlr recording: just spend the $150 on a recorder with xlr input and use this one for a backup. Using all of those splitters and adapters makes the setup very unreliable and degrades the sound quality and adds weight.
One more thing to add: The XLR inputs need to be fed line level signals. (Either from a mic that already does Line level, or a a preamp) Otherwise the audio signal will come in quiet, which may become very noisy when amplified in post.
Caleb, I actually have a question regarding this too. I'm very new to using the H1, how do you actually set the input + output level for the H1 and the input level on the camera so that I can get a good level of audio without clipping? Thanks in advance! I actually bought the H1 for my Panasonic GX8 because of this video, ha! :)
And another great video :) Thank you! I did the same with 2 3.5mm inputs. Additional informations, as some people have problem with 3.5mm input splitters. These basic splitters you buy on Amazon are simply to duplicate the signal on both jack, to be used on a smartphone for example. You have to buy a specific splitter that separates left and right. During my searches (Amazon FR), I didn't have a lot of choices so I had to pick only between a Hosa and a Stagg splitter. I picked the Hosa splitter because the Stagg one had a loose input 3.5mm jack. I returned them 2 times but same problem with new splitters. So I kept one as a backup (Have 2 Hosa splitters). Hosa splitters are great because they are color coded (red/black for left/right channel) and they have a better build than the Stagg. Refs: - Hosa: YMM-261 - STAGG: YC-0.1/1J2JFH My 2cts.
Doing this, You have blocked the front portion of the H1N unit. You wont get descent ambiance if you start recording with the stereo microphones mounted on this unit, u will get slightly muffed sound
I completed this exact same setup, hooked up two external lav mics to the inputs, and had issues with the sound in post production. The sound would ONLY play on laptops, and websites, but when playing through the phone, it was like the sound record wasn't even on. Did I do something wrong? That shouldn't have happened right?
I appreciate your videos. They are extremely educational and informative. I have one question though. How do you match the Zoom H1 and camera levels through the line out? I know that on the zoom H1n you can use a test tone to match the audio levels, which is a feature that the original zoom h1 lacks. Do you have to guess or is their a more scientific way to get the right volume setting from the the line out directly into the camera?
Hey Caleb, thanks for all your video. it's so helpful. Question: I am using a h1 with a rode smart lav. When i shoot with my A7sii on 4k 24fps the audio doesn't sync up in post. At some point it just goes out of sync. When i shoot at 1080p 60fps it works fine. Any idea why this happens and how i can set up the h1 to match that 4k 24fps. thanks a lot for your help. Cheers
Does the cold shoe fit on a Rebel T5i and a Zoom H2? Also, what cord would work with making the H2 an external mic for the T5i? I cant tell if I need a male to male 3.5 or a female to male, etc. Thank you!
AH!! I thought that I could send phantom power via my zoomH1n to a mic...sorry to hear that it can't...busy finding out about options of cost-effective phantom power.
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE! The headphone output of nearly any zoom recorder has horrible quality. The integrated headphone amp introduces a lot of noise. Please stick to the file that gets recorded on the SD card. You will notice the noise while editing in studio. And please don’t coil cables so close to the recorders electronics. They aren’t that well shielded. The RF shields only protect the middle top and bottom.
Very good hacking ! But what a bad idea to fix your xlr plugs just at the front of your microphones. Very bad for your recording quality ! You should better clip them down the H1 body. Doing this will preserve the high quality XY stéréo sound provided by the very good zoom microphones.
Doesn't this just take the balanced XLRs and downgrade them to plain stereo unbalanced? If so, I might as well just keep my 6.3->3.5mm connection from the mixer/preamp. And instead of having the bulky connections at the H1 end you could do the split and adapt at the mixer end of the cable so no zip ties needed, and you wouldn't be blocking the onboard condenser mics as well.
I bought the Rodelink system and want to feed the sound directly to my camera. Would it be better for sound quality if I plugged in a Zoom H1 to the camera and connected the Rodelink to that?
This does not give true XLR. Sure, you can plug an XLR in, but the cable would have to be short or the sound quality will be terrible/noisy. True XLR will allow you to run a 100 foot (or more) cable. This set-up will allow maybe 15-20 feet cable at most.
You are the fucking MacGyver of Film production love it. Most of the time im like why do I have to spend so much to make this better couldn't I just do this instead? Lets check DSLR video shooters video list!
Very nice upgrade for such a cheap price! Just a question, is it possible to do the exact same thing but instead of double XLR input to have double Mini Jack imput? I want to do an interview with two lav mics and want to connect them both, but a cheap adaptor that I found and tested was not splitting the two mics to left and right channel. Both mics were recording to the left channel, thus not giving me the flexibility I want in post.
My God, I think you are the person that can really really help me... I got almost no idea about sound. I own a Fuji Xt-2 and use the Rode Videomicro which is great, I also have a Zoom H1, just saying... What I really want to ask you... is there a way to record SIMULTANEOUSLY SOUND FROM TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES LIKE 1)A PERSON WEARING A LAVALIER AND 2) A MICROPHONE ON CAMERA, WHILE HITTING THE RECORD BUTTON ON CAMERA AND EACH MIC RECORD ONLY WHEN YOU HIT THE RECORD BUTTON (OF THE CAMERA)... that way the sync of the sound would be easier right? Maybe what you show here is what I want, but if I understand well it is not, but it is close... I really hope that my question is clear , but I honestly have no idea what I should do or even if it is possible...I would really appreciate your opinion and any suggestion, I strongly believe you are the person that can really help me. Thank you!
Thanks, Caleb. Does this setup allow for recording to the H1 and the camera simultaneously, essentially giving me two "copies" of the audio, one on the H1's media card and another in the camera? And what is a typical pre-amp that would provide phantom power of needed for a XLR mic that doesn't have batteries? Something compact.
Pointless compilation. With this setup it will be very cumbersome for the cameraman to operate the device with cables hanging on out from both sides. It would be better to give the entire audio setup to the boom operator abar let him keep it in the pocket. You can sync the sound in the post
@DSLR Video Shooter Thank you for the video. But I'm not sure if I am understanding it correctly. So by doing this "hack", it allows the H1 to record the audio from the XLR Mics. While also sending that audio signal, over to camera of choice (Me=GoPro). But does the camera also record its own audio from its internal speakers? Or do both audio signals get overlayed on top of each other, into 1 file? Or is the camera, only recording the audio signals that are coming from the XLR Mics? Also wondering with this setup installed, do the on board microphones of the Zoom H1 also capture/record sound? Because the h1 is a dual track recorder? I'm sorry for all the silly questions. Your help would be greatly appreciated 🙏
My main take away from this video (what works for me) was the dual headphone jack for use of recording to dual audio sources. Dual audio recordings equal less stress during a shoot. Brilliant and (slap myself on the forehead) simple!! Thanks!!
Caleb nice video...... the cable you have from the H1 to the camera does that need to be a Sescom cable ?on my X-t2 there is no connection with an ordinary TRS cable.
Can someone explain how this works..i don't have a camera that accepts external mics??? I use the zoom h1 mostly as a usb mic into my macbook. Whats the advantage of using the Zoom..aern't those rode mics self powered condensers - condensers generally have their own preamp..wouldn't you get a more pristine audio recording going direct?? Your signal chain is mic condenser element>mic preamp>xlr cable>zoom preamp>patch cable>camera internal preamp... Does the plugging in of an external mic bypass the camera's internal preamp?? If so, then I'm geussing ur maybe going to get better audio as the preamp in the zooms sounds excellent for a cheap device. If it doesn't, then Im not sure your achieving tht much, except that you could record 2 persons in an interview style setting using dynamic mics or something similar (cutting out background noise). They're great little gadgets. So many uses. You can field record, use as a usb mic, a headphone amp, camera mic..what can't this little bugger do :)
Anyone ever have the two XY microphones just fall out? Mine won't stay anymore, only held by their little wires.. Any tips other than the obvious super glue? Should I be extra careful not to let any drip inside while applying it, if that's the route I take? Sometimes when I twist them after pushing them in, they stay better, but that doesn't seem to be working anymore as of 5 minutes ago. I'm hesitant to replace it if I can still fix it, especially because money's tight.
So, does this mean that if the camera has a headphone jack (like an A7S) then a the dual XLR-3.5mm jack cable is going to enable two XLR inputs with in-camera recording? (without phantom power of course) Thanks.
I know theoretically its perfect to use a xlr mic with this set up.. but is it practically working. ? I really want to know this.. please let me know... rather If you post a comparison video with an XLR mic to H1 vs to zoom h5 ... that will be helpful . I have tried the NTG 2 with this set up 6 months ago. but It was too noisy to use as i had to crank the preamp of H1 to 70-80 to get a good voice from 2 -3 feet . Please reply.
Zoom H1 made high frequency noise into our mixer. Causing the meter to malfunction. Would Zoom like to explain why their device does this? So I got an DR-05. H1 has its uses but it is by no means perfect. Neither is the DR-05. The output signal split is a hack and can cause additional problems. And when you disconnect the headphones the signal going to the camera will rise, maybe a lot. Oh, and the H1 power switch is a pain to get to. Have fingernails.
OMG YESSS! Was looking for a solid headphone jack solution till i found this. Just bought a panasonic g7, anyone think this will work for it, or do you know if there are any ways to fix this issue with a out spending 100 dollars for the zoom and another 100 for a solid mic?
Question, so I was able to purchase the 3.5mm jack, and and I placed two lavaliers in them and through my H1, nothing else. Now I"m having audio issues. I can hear the interview online through youtube, but not on my cell phone device? did I do something wrong?
Wow you’ve come a long way! This is definitely a questionable upgrade with the added adapters blocking the pickup pattern of the mics…probably not the best placement. But hey at least the new version of the Zoom H1 has a line out in addition to the headphone out, so you can add the camera feed for a couple bucks.
Just a newbie question -- what is the Short 3.5mm to 3.5mm male cable and the splitter for? I thought we can just plug in our headphones? why the need to plug audio into the camera?
For using XLR mics with small recorders, I have to wonder if the Tascam DR-10X or Saramonic SM-VRM1 aren’t better suited for the task, though perhaps slightly more expensive. If you’re doing interviews and you already have a Zoom H1N, you’re probably better off just using its built-in mics instead of jury rigging something because it’ll look better on screen, and if you must use a better, XLR-based mic but don’t need to hide the equipment, you should probably just upgrade to a recorder that has phantom power and a dedicated line out. I get that people are trying to save money, but the major advantage of the H1N is that it’s compact and simple, so adding all this extra stuff kinda ruins its greatest strength.
If a person has mics and audio gear with xlr outputs then I can say that 99 out of 100 times the person will have a professional recorder with xlr inputs. This method also blocks the main feature of the recorder, the microphones! I would recommend spending £20 extra and buy an irig which also has phantom power.
Looks nice.... But watch out for putting the XLR's right above the existing XY mic. It can sound like putting headphones on your ears and listening to the environment. It may cause less clearity and depth in the recording.
Ever use the h1 as a field mic recorder? If its under 50 feet range to the subject(s) you want to record, I'm understanding its actually can be used as a shotgun mic? Any experience with this?
Alas your placement of the XLR connectors negates the construction of the X/Y microphones - blocking the sound path and probably destroying the stereo perspective? Why take a excellent stereo recorder and physically turning it into mono? Perhaps hot gluing the adaptors to the sides?
If the zoom h1 has two different mic inputs through this upgrade and I use both simultaneously, will it combine both sound sources in one file or 2 separate files? I’d appreciate someone’s response to this very much :).
Hey, I have a 5D MK II, a zoom H1, and am looking into buying a Seinheiser ME66. Would this mod work to connect the ME66 to the 5D in order to record the audio, without any glitches or issues? I am new to audio so would appreciate any advice and explanation. Thank you.
And will using a shotgun mic like the ME66 through an adapter give the same quality sound it would normally through a camera with a built in XLR input?
I have just tried it with Rode stereo mic pro however the noise level had gone way up and no way to reduce it even with my G85 setting to -12 and Rode stereo -10 :( the noise were gone once I plug Rode mic directly to G85.
Hey I'm doing Vlogs and I was wondering if I can use the ZOOM h1under my Tshirt too? So that I plug in an external Microfon and put it over or even better under my T-Shirt? What do you think? cheers Sören
I have bought ZoomH1 for voice over I am facing a problem that it is catching background voice clearly fan noise, sound of horn coming from a distance, whenever i record i have to turn off fan close the door and wait for the moment when everybody gets silent did i make a wrong choice ?
Hi, for that "Dual XLR to 3.5mm Jack:" part would it be possible to find " Dual 3.5 to 3.5mm Jack" to use with 2 Lav mic. one mic go to L and another go to R channel separately?
I would buy a better splitter though. A lot of times these small compact ones are a bit loose so when you move, they jump connectivity, the better ones are not as cheap but it's worth for being reliable.
Very handy!
Thanks! You know what would be killer? If you guys came out with a small box with the guts of the Rode VMP. I would love a simple inline attenuator/preamp from Rode!
Agree on this one. In general, now when video recordings are going to get easier for everyone, some kind of "external" recorder like the H1, but with the RØDE VMP goodness inside would be perfect for the vlogger/RUclips'r that doesn't have the money for DSLR + RØDE VMP, and since a lot of handycams doesn't have stereo input, a device like this would be GOLD!!
Right? I think it would killer.
Oh yes it would! Right now I am using a VideoMic Pro + H1.... If all of that was put into 1 device... would be freakin' awesome!
This is so pointless because the quality of audio that you feed into your camera/dslr is going to be noisy as hell. Creative yes but more research should have been done.
@Mugen00 someone has already made a video about this, just coming here and point it out as a warning for everyone else. not sure how much money/time has been wasted following this video just to find out the awful audio file that you have in post-production.
Its a nice upgrade, but do the XLRs somewhat interfere with the audio signal if you wanted to use the internal mics?
Using an audio splitter will degrade the feed, fine in many cases, but not an 'HD' solution audio wise. Still, great idea!
Yes, you are right!
Exactly! The splitter connects both outputs in parallel. Camera input is high impedance (it "reads" voltage), while headphones are low impedance (they draw current). This is additional load on recorder output is similar to shorting your signal to ground using coil/resistor. It will make your signal weaker. Also the headphones have different impedance at different frequencies, so they will affect lows more than highs. Also headphones work in reverse like dynamic microphones and they add to the length of cable, so they catch both acoustic and electromagnetic noise. Another problem is that you obviously can't control the headphone output volume, because it would also affect the camera input. If you have headphones with volume control integrated in cable, this can also interfere with recording in same way as headphones do (imagine connecting and disconnecting the headphones to the system as a worst case scenario).
Also i need to say that there is solution for all of this. You can add external headphone amplifier which will have the same high-impedance input as the camera has. So it will take the burden of powering the headphones and keep the recorder output happy. There will be only two high-impedance devices connected to Y splitter, which do not load the line very much.
@@harviecz I don't know if you can read this, but I have this one Problem, My problem is that DJ Person is bad and always forget to turn down Background music when Couple's Give speeches in the Reception ( I am Talking about Wedding Event), Now I want to connect a device to the microphone directly by splitting the xlr going to the mixer to my Zoomh1n and Zoomh1, that way I can only Record the Audio and not the audio with the background music? Is it possible? if it is, what device should I buy in order to achieve this?
If you can reply, it would be a great help.
@@exogendesign4582 I don't really understand your setup, but XLR is ballanced signal and zoom needs unballanced. There are baluns to convert ballanced to unballanced, but i am not sure if that will work with splitter, that might not be possible. BTW do you know there are mixers which can automaticaly lower the volume of music, when microphone voice is detected? (But the music will come back almost immediately when they stop speaking, eg. when doing dramatic pause)
Very nice :)
Looks like a decent upgrade! The biggest problem with the H1 is the plastic screw thread. Mine's already worn out, so I've been attaching it to other gear with elastic bands.
'Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead....' why do Americans say this all the time? 'You can go ahead and check the screws.' Why can't you just check the screws?
So you totally covered internal mics fro 15 USD nice job!
Nice idea Caleb. How does the sound quality hold up?
No different from the H1 on its own. People seem pretty freaked out by adapters, but the tech and sci is pretty simple. The only problem with this stuff is when you start running long cables or have so many adapters that the grounding gets messy.
@@dslrvideoshooter Thank you for the video. But I'm not sure if I am understanding it correctly. So by doing this "hack", it allows the H1 to record the audio from the XLR Mics. While also sending that audio signal, over to camera of choice (Me=GoPro).
But does the camera also record its own audio from its internal speakers?
Or do both audio signals get overlayed on top of each other, into 1 file?
Or is the camera, only recording the audio signals that are coming from the XLR Mics?
Also wondering with this setup installed, do the on board microphones of the Zoom H1 also capture/record sound?
Because the h1 is a dual track recorder?
I'm sorry for all the silly questions. Your help would be greatly appreciated 🙏
@@alotl1kevegas860 when microphones are plugged in, the Zoom microphones are switched off due to the pushed aside pins inside the receptable.
As someone who used DSLR Video Shooter's link to buy the Dual XLR to 3.5mm Jack I can say with certainty this cable is crap. It's not wired correctly for stereo use. With one mic per channel. Instead the XLR connectors are wired in parallel and the 1/8" TRS is configured as a balanced audio connection. I don't own a DSLR but I can say this cable is wired wrong for a camcorder with a stereo wired 1/8" TRS connector. Fortunately this can be fixed if you know how to solder.
Remove the 3 screws on each XLR connector. Remove the cover of the XLR by pulling back on it. Be sure to remove the metal strain relief first that you unscrewed. You'll find the XLRs wired like this.
Pin Color
1 bare copper
2 Red on one XLR, orange on the 2nd.
3 White
On the one with the orange wire, unsolder the orange wire, cut off the excess copper and pull it back.
On the one with the red wire unsolder the white wire and move the red wire to pin2. Cut off the excess white wire copper and pull it back.
Finally short with a short piece of wire pins 1+3 on each XLR.
Now reassemble. Now each XLR will go with each channel. If you do leave a channel unplugged expect hum though. Does not seem to effect the other channel.
I can't believe he recommended this cable. Did he ever try it? Pro tip I should have seen myself. If the XLRs are not marked with channel identifications by word or color, it is unlikely stereo. But then again are there any 1/8" devices with balanced audio?
That's uhhh... Creative.
But seriously if you are at a level where you need dual xlr recording: just spend the $150 on a recorder with xlr input and use this one for a backup. Using all of those splitters and adapters makes the setup very unreliable and degrades the sound quality and adds weight.
what volume level do you use on the headphone jack that you connect to the camera?
Won't the xlr ports going to block the microphone?
this hack isnt meant for using the built in mics
One more thing to add:
The XLR inputs need to be fed line level signals. (Either from a mic that already does Line level, or a a preamp)
Otherwise the audio signal will come in quiet, which may become very noisy when amplified in post.
Hi caleb..is zoom h1 has phantom power? Can i use reguler xlr mic which use phantom power to zoom h1?
man, you should be BATMAN
dude, tell me you dont rock.. :)
I feel like for that splitter to send line to camera you would need an attenuated cable... No?
Most cameras can handle low level line inputs. At least I haven't had any issues.
Caleb, I actually have a question regarding this too. I'm very new to using the H1, how do you actually set the input + output level for the H1 and the input level on the camera so that I can get a good level of audio without clipping? Thanks in advance! I actually bought the H1 for my Panasonic GX8 because of this video, ha! :)
And another great video :) Thank you! I did the same with 2 3.5mm inputs.
Additional informations, as some people have problem with 3.5mm input splitters. These basic splitters you buy on Amazon are simply to duplicate the signal on both jack, to be used on a smartphone for example. You have to buy a specific splitter that separates left and right.
During my searches (Amazon FR), I didn't have a lot of choices so I had to pick only between a Hosa and a Stagg splitter.
I picked the Hosa splitter because the Stagg one had a loose input 3.5mm jack. I returned them 2 times but same problem with new splitters. So I kept one as a backup (Have 2 Hosa splitters).
Hosa splitters are great because they are color coded (red/black for left/right channel) and they have a better build than the Stagg.
Refs:
- Hosa: YMM-261
- STAGG: YC-0.1/1J2JFH
My 2cts.
I saw those: tinyurl.com/jyr3mgr great idea for those looking for 3.5 instead of XLR. Thanks for the info!
I have been holding out from getting a Zoom H1 because I am able to get by using my iPhone and adapter, and the Røde Rec app. It actually works well.
Doing this, You have blocked the front portion of the H1N unit. You wont get descent ambiance if you start recording with the stereo microphones mounted on this unit, u will get slightly muffed sound
This hack is 7 years old but I think I'm gonna try it. :) Thank you
I completed this exact same setup, hooked up two external lav mics to the inputs, and had issues with the sound in post production. The sound would ONLY play on laptops, and websites, but when playing through the phone, it was like the sound record wasn't even on. Did I do something wrong? That shouldn't have happened right?
Fantastic tips! Really awesome, thank you! Greetings from Japan!
Nice, this seems really interesting. I might go and do this. How does this affect the regular Zoom H1 microphone usage tho, does it muffle the sound?
I appreciate your videos. They are extremely educational and informative. I have one question though. How do you match the Zoom H1 and camera levels through the line out? I know that on the zoom H1n you can use a test tone to match the audio levels, which is a feature that the original zoom h1 lacks. Do you have to guess or is their a more scientific way to get the right volume setting from the the line out directly into the camera?
Hey Caleb, thanks for all your video. it's so helpful.
Question: I am using a h1 with a rode smart lav. When i shoot with my A7sii on 4k 24fps the audio doesn't sync up in post. At some point it just goes out of sync. When i shoot at 1080p 60fps it works fine. Any idea why this happens and how i can set up the h1 to match that 4k 24fps.
thanks a lot for your help.
Cheers
Try recording in 48kHz. That will line up with the 24fps
This is REALLY AWESOME!!! but does splitting the sound going in and out of the H1 harms it's quality in any way?
Zoom h1n ile Xlr girişli olan Rode Reporter mikrofonu kullanabilirmiyim ?
Does the cold shoe fit on a Rebel T5i and a Zoom H2? Also, what cord would work with making the H2 an external mic for the T5i? I cant tell if I need a male to male 3.5 or a female to male, etc. Thank you!
AH!! I thought that I could send phantom power via my zoomH1n to a mic...sorry to hear that it can't...busy finding out about options of cost-effective phantom power.
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE!
The headphone output of nearly any zoom recorder has horrible quality. The integrated headphone amp introduces a lot of noise. Please stick to the file that gets recorded on the SD card. You will notice the noise while editing in studio.
And please don’t coil cables so close to the recorders electronics. They aren’t that well shielded. The RF shields only protect the middle top and bottom.
Very good hacking ! But what a bad idea to fix your xlr plugs just at the front of your microphones. Very bad for your recording quality ! You should better clip them down the H1 body. Doing this will preserve the high quality XY stéréo sound provided by the very good zoom microphones.
Doesn't this just take the balanced XLRs and downgrade them to plain stereo unbalanced? If so, I might as well just keep my 6.3->3.5mm connection from the mixer/preamp. And instead of having the bulky connections at the H1 end you could do the split and adapt at the mixer end of the cable so no zip ties needed, and you wouldn't be blocking the onboard condenser mics as well.
I bought the Rodelink system and want to feed the sound directly to my camera. Would it be better for sound quality if I plugged in a Zoom H1 to the camera and connected the Rodelink to that?
Lol at “pimp out” but great video😂💯
This does not give true XLR. Sure, you can plug an XLR in, but the cable would have to be short or the sound quality will be terrible/noisy. True XLR will allow you to run a 100 foot (or more) cable. This set-up will allow maybe 15-20 feet cable at most.
Has anyone tried the single XLR to line input?
Does it record to both channels in stereo? With a single XLR microphone?
You are the fucking MacGyver of Film production love it. Most of the time im like why do I have to spend so much to make this better couldn't I just do this instead? Lets check DSLR video shooters video list!
Very nice upgrade for such a cheap price! Just a question, is it possible to do the exact same thing but instead of double XLR input to have double Mini Jack imput? I want to do an interview with two lav mics and want to connect them both, but a cheap adaptor that I found and tested was not splitting the two mics to left and right channel. Both mics were recording to the left channel, thus not giving me the flexibility I want in post.
great video thanks any other tips for the h1
My God, I think you are the person that can really really help me...
I got almost no idea about sound. I own a Fuji Xt-2 and use the Rode Videomicro which is great, I also have a Zoom H1, just saying...
What I really want to ask you...
is there a way to record SIMULTANEOUSLY SOUND FROM TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES LIKE 1)A PERSON WEARING A LAVALIER AND 2) A MICROPHONE ON CAMERA, WHILE HITTING THE RECORD BUTTON ON CAMERA AND EACH MIC RECORD ONLY WHEN YOU HIT THE RECORD BUTTON (OF THE CAMERA)... that way the sync of the sound would be easier right? Maybe what you show here is what I want, but if I understand well it is not, but it is close... I really hope that my question is clear , but I honestly have no idea what I should do or even if it is possible...I would really appreciate your opinion and any suggestion, I strongly believe you are the person that can really help me. Thank you!
I tried a similar way, but failed, don't know why. Two microphone are working good, but ,the output audio is still mono, not stereo.
Thanks, Caleb. Does this setup allow for recording to the H1 and the camera simultaneously, essentially giving me two "copies" of the audio, one on the H1's media card and another in the camera? And what is a typical pre-amp that would provide phantom power of needed for a XLR mic that doesn't have batteries? Something compact.
stupid upgradexlr mic to jack is killing sound quality
also block mic way is stupid
Bro am i right understand: you plug into dslr audio in from zoom’s headphone jack, so dslr will rec voice from zoom not own… right or
Pointless compilation. With this setup it will be very cumbersome for the cameraman to operate the device with cables hanging on out from both sides.
It would be better to give the entire audio setup to the boom operator abar let him keep it in the pocket. You can sync the sound in the post
@DSLR Video Shooter Thank you for the video. But I'm not sure if I am understanding it correctly. So by doing this "hack", it allows the H1 to record the audio from the XLR Mics. While also sending that audio signal, over to camera of choice (Me=GoPro).
But does the camera also record its own audio from its internal speakers?
Or do both audio signals get overlayed on top of each other, into 1 file?
Or is the camera, only recording the audio signals that are coming from the XLR Mics?
Also wondering with this setup installed, do the on board microphones of the Zoom H1 also capture/record sound?
Because the h1 is a dual track recorder?
I'm sorry for all the silly questions. Your help would be greatly appreciated 🙏
My main take away from this video (what works for me) was the dual headphone jack for use of recording to dual audio sources. Dual audio recordings equal less stress during a shoot. Brilliant and (slap myself on the forehead) simple!! Thanks!!
This is a good idea if you don't mind losing a bit of quality. If you need max quality, then you shouldn't be doing this.
Caleb nice video...... the cable you have from the H1 to the camera does that need to be a Sescom cable ?on my X-t2 there is no connection with an ordinary TRS cable.
This just might save me a good amount of 💰!! Thank you Caleb!
Good stuff Caleb... What input is it on my Canon 7D Mark I?
I have a zoom h4n pro 2020 model. I have a rode go mic as well. How Can I use rode go mic with zoom h4n pro to record audio ?
Can someone explain how this works..i don't have a camera that accepts external mics??? I use the zoom h1 mostly as a usb mic into my macbook. Whats the advantage of using the Zoom..aern't those rode mics self powered condensers - condensers generally have their own preamp..wouldn't you get a more pristine audio recording going direct?? Your signal chain is mic condenser element>mic preamp>xlr cable>zoom preamp>patch cable>camera internal preamp... Does the plugging in of an external mic bypass the camera's internal preamp?? If so, then I'm geussing ur maybe going to get better audio as the preamp in the zooms sounds excellent for a cheap device. If it doesn't, then Im not sure your achieving tht much, except that you could record 2 persons in an interview style setting using dynamic mics or something similar (cutting out background noise). They're great little gadgets. So many uses. You can field record, use as a usb mic, a headphone amp, camera mic..what can't this little bugger do :)
Anyone ever have the two XY microphones just fall out? Mine won't stay anymore, only held by their little wires.. Any tips other than the obvious super glue? Should I be extra careful not to let any drip inside while applying it, if that's the route I take? Sometimes when I twist them after pushing them in, they stay better, but that doesn't seem to be working anymore as of 5 minutes ago. I'm hesitant to replace it if I can still fix it, especially because money's tight.
So, does this mean that if the camera has a headphone jack (like an A7S) then a the dual XLR-3.5mm jack cable is going to enable two XLR inputs with in-camera recording? (without phantom power of course) Thanks.
I know theoretically its perfect to use a xlr mic with this set up.. but is it practically working. ? I really want to know this.. please let me know... rather If you post a comparison video with an XLR mic to H1 vs to zoom h5 ... that will be helpful .
I have tried the NTG 2 with this set up 6 months ago. but It was too noisy to use as i had to crank the preamp of H1 to 70-80 to get a good voice from 2 -3 feet .
Please reply.
Zoom H1 made high frequency noise into our mixer. Causing the meter to malfunction. Would Zoom like to explain why their device does this? So I got an DR-05. H1 has its uses but it is by no means perfect. Neither is the DR-05. The output signal split is a hack and can cause additional problems. And when you disconnect the headphones the signal going to the camera will rise, maybe a lot. Oh, and the H1 power switch is a pain to get to. Have fingernails.
OMG YESSS! Was looking for a solid headphone jack solution till i found this. Just bought a panasonic g7, anyone think this will work for it, or do you know if there are any ways to fix this issue with a out spending 100 dollars for the zoom and another 100 for a solid mic?
Question, so I was able to purchase the 3.5mm jack, and and I placed two lavaliers in them and through my H1, nothing else. Now I"m having audio issues. I can hear the interview online through youtube, but not on my cell phone device? did I do something wrong?
This is super useful - I travel a lot for recording interviews etc and this is great for reducing the amount I have to carry
Wow you’ve come a long way! This is definitely a questionable upgrade with the added adapters blocking the pickup pattern of the mics…probably not the best placement. But hey at least the new version of the Zoom H1 has a line out in addition to the headphone out, so you can add the camera feed for a couple bucks.
Just a newbie question -- what is the Short 3.5mm to 3.5mm male cable and the splitter for? I thought we can just plug in our headphones? why the need to plug audio into the camera?
What setting should be done for ASMR audio from H2N ...please help me by replying
Did you record the audio for this video with the Zoom H1?
For using XLR mics with small recorders, I have to wonder if the Tascam DR-10X or Saramonic SM-VRM1 aren’t better suited for the task, though perhaps slightly more expensive. If you’re doing interviews and you already have a Zoom H1N, you’re probably better off just using its built-in mics instead of jury rigging something because it’ll look better on screen, and if you must use a better, XLR-based mic but don’t need to hide the equipment, you should probably just upgrade to a recorder that has phantom power and a dedicated line out. I get that people are trying to save money, but the major advantage of the H1N is that it’s compact and simple, so adding all this extra stuff kinda ruins its greatest strength.
I think this upgrade (by Caleb) is only relevant in moments when we shoot on dslr while relying on the dslr built-in mics.
If i plug in a Rode Video Mic Rycote in the H1 and then in the Camera (600d) am i gonny have something like a Preamp? Something like a SmartRig+?
If a person has mics and audio gear with xlr outputs then I can say that 99 out of 100 times the person will have a professional recorder with xlr inputs. This method also blocks the main feature of the recorder, the microphones! I would recommend spending £20 extra and buy an irig which also has phantom power.
Looks nice.... But watch out for putting the XLR's right above the existing XY mic. It can sound like putting headphones on your ears and listening to the environment. It may cause less clearity and depth in the recording.
So lets say i want to use a rode videomic pro, can i rig that to an XLR output even though it comes with the 3.5mm ?
Ever use the h1 as a field mic recorder? If its under 50 feet range to the subject(s) you want to record, I'm understanding its actually can be used as a shotgun mic? Any experience with this?
Could this be done with the splitter on the mic side? looking to add another 2 xlr mics too. We are going to try this set up for a podcast.
Alas your placement of the XLR connectors negates the construction of the X/Y microphones - blocking the sound path and probably destroying the stereo perspective?
Why take a excellent stereo recorder and physically turning it into mono? Perhaps hot gluing the adaptors to the sides?
Can I use the Rode Reporter microphone with Zoom h1n and Xlr input?
Can we use ...ATR 2100 audiotechnica to this and do podcast of 2 people ....??
i dont understand the part where you send the headphone out to the camera in. then still use the headphone
If the zoom h1 has two different mic inputs through this upgrade and I use both simultaneously, will it combine both sound sources in one file or 2 separate files? I’d appreciate someone’s response to this very much :).
Hello. Can the line in jack, be used to bring audio from a PA system? Thanks in advance for your help.
Hey, I have a 5D MK II, a zoom H1, and am looking into buying a Seinheiser ME66. Would this mod work to connect the ME66 to the 5D in order to record the audio, without any glitches or issues? I am new to audio so would appreciate any advice and explanation. Thank you.
And will using a shotgun mic like the ME66 through an adapter give the same quality sound it would normally through a camera with a built in XLR input?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CHALLENGE: how to zoom h1 with phantom power?
Does having it on the shoe mount like it is cause any noise while handling the camera? Like when using it without a shock mount.
I have just tried it with Rode stereo mic pro however the noise level had gone way up and no way to reduce it even with my G85 setting to -12 and Rode stereo -10 :( the noise were gone once I plug Rode mic directly to G85.
Will it work connecting to a Samsung Galaxy S7? and does it still record to the SD card whilst sending record signal to the camera/phone?
Where's the upgrade? It's still a stock recorded. I'm not upgrading my car when I hook a trailer to it. English is ruined.
Hey I'm doing Vlogs and I was wondering if I can use the ZOOM h1under my
Tshirt too? So that I plug in an external Microfon and put it over or
even better under my T-Shirt? What do you think? cheers Sören
You can so many tutorials to hide Lav mics
I have bought ZoomH1 for voice over I am facing a problem that it is catching background voice clearly fan noise, sound of horn coming from a distance, whenever i record i have to turn off fan close the door and wait for the moment when everybody gets silent did i make a wrong choice ?
Yet another "why didn't I think of that" moment on the interwebs :-P .
Can I just use the 3.5mm splitter two create two inputs for Rode videomic pros?
aren't those cannon cables blocking the recording process?
Super awesome tip! But will my audio degrade if I use the XLR to 3.5 jack like this set up?
One should upgrade zoom H1 by saving and buying a h4n . ..there is no other way . Hehehheh ..
Do You need to press the record button on the zoom to record with the camera
Could you do something like this if you had a Zoom Q2HD recorder?
Caleb, When you are monitor the sound through the headphone splitter. What channel are you hearing?
Left channel on left ear and right channel on right ear.
Hi Can you please tell me connect to connect ZoomH1n and Boya BY M1 lav mic to my smartphone so that I can record Audio and Video in together
Hi, for that "Dual XLR to 3.5mm Jack:" part
would it be possible to find " Dual 3.5 to 3.5mm Jack" to use with 2 Lav mic.
one mic go to L and another go to R channel separately?
or Dual XLR to 3.5mm Jack ------2 x XLR to 3.5mm adaptor ------zoom H1 input ?
DSLR Video Shooter If I connect the Zoom H1 to the Camera am I then using the H1 Pre amps or the camera ones?
I would buy a better splitter though. A lot of times these small compact ones are a bit loose so when you move, they jump connectivity, the better ones are not as cheap but it's worth for being reliable.
Hello. I can use the XY zoom microphone + external microphone "LINE"? So I have two recording channels? It's possible?
Unfortunately no. The H1 only supports using one or the other.