How to setup video gear so you don't have to sync audio in post
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2020
- A tutorial showing you how to setup video gear so you don't have to sync audio in post. I am connecting audio gear to a mirrorless camera using an XLR microphone to connect directly into my camera with the help of the Zoom h6 field recorder line out (or headphone out) plugging into my microphone in jack of my camera. I also test the difference in sound from recording directly to the recorder's SD card vs the direct line audio to the camera. Can you tell the difference in the quality of how it sounds?
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Be honest, is the efficiency in time saved connecting directly into camera worth the loss in quality not syncing audio to the video camera in post. Personally I say do both if the situation allows for it, that way you have a backup if something happens. Could you tell the difference between the two signals? (I also am kind of embarrassed it took me this long to think of connecting my audio gear this way directly into my camera so I would avoid the tedious task of syncing audio to video in post. ha!)
They sounded very much the same. I was using my F1 Field recorder as sort of a preamp before getting a rode mic. I just fed the audio straight into the camera. Huge time saver. There is another hack that works well when dealing with multiple cameras. I use a wireless remote that starts all the cameras recording at the same time. In post I just have to line the videos from each camera and I am done. No syncing required. This was a great video btw! Thank you.
@@DanRaines wow! a wireless camera starter, very cool!
Javier Mercedes it has been a game changer for me.
I couldn't tell the difference and I have studio monitor speakers. Cool beans! I'm watching your video because I'm messing with my new ATEM Mini Pro and am figuring out the best setup(s) for audio. The ATEM has 4 HDMI inputs plus 2 Mic inputs, thus 6 places to input sound. I've hookup up a Rode Video Mic Pro, a simple Sennheiser Lav mic, the Sennheiser Wireless, and mics from the cameras. There's so many options, it's mind blowing. I'm watching your video and saying Hmmm! what do I do with my Zoom H5? Do I even need it?
Can we do it with Zoom H1?
There is a difference ! There is a background hiss when using the headphone out vs the sd card. More annoying and more work post but it’s better to record directly to the H6
I hear it as well.
How does one get rid of that hiss?
I have found that I get more hiss when going wireless indicating that the hiss is more to do with the wireless transmission (if using a recorder with rode go’s etc) and not so much to do with using the earphone jack on the recorder. If you use a wired mic with the recorder you won’t have the hiss however it won’t be wireless but you’ll still avoid post syncing.
Best practical solution is to turn your cameras input all the way down (if using a phone you’ll need an app that allows this like black magic etc) and adjust the output or input accordingly from the recorder.
It depends on the type of your film work. For RUclips video, it is enough to sync audio directly into the camera. But, if you makes a short film or documentary for cinema screening purpose, I'd recommend to record audio, separately; so you can have more rooms to work on sound mix for better quality.
This was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
Glad I could help!
@@JavierMercedes can you use a go xlr mini with same results as the zoom?
I absolutely love and appreciate humans like you Javier! Thank you, would love an in person studio help set up....COVID compliant of course :) Thank you for your tutorials. I will keep at it.
Perfect! Great vid dude. To the point and clear! Literally was searching for this very set up. I'm going to be recording via my NIKON D850 (just a talking head video type of show. Nothing complex or crazy). I have a Shure sm7b, Cloudlifter, and Zoom H6. Was dreading having to sync audio and video in post and all that blah, blah, blah. I think, for what it is I'm doing, this will work absolutely fine. Many thanks.
This is perfect. I have a Zoom H4N and was hoping this was how it would go and it went exactly how you demonstrated it.
i know this video is old but i put my headphones to listen to the test at the end and there there a huge difference, the signal into the camera had a high pitched signal noise that was very noticeable. Its enough of a difference for me to not change my work flow but thanks for testing this on our behalf
I agree
So you wouldn’t recommend plugging in the sm7b through a cloud lifter, then to a scarlet solo then a dbx 286
Regarding the camera method, there is no good way to hook up the sm7b, to the camera without the high pitched nose
Thank you so much for this! Also your quality is SOOO clean!
from my ears I really like the audio straight into the camera for talking heads.
the zoom h6 audio seemed "processed" which may fool some into thinking that's the better one...
thanks for taking the time to create this video!
Thanks a bunch! I am planning on doing exactly this: it's good to see that it works fine before I spend the money.
I bought an Olympus "field" recorder and Ive been messing around trying to get it to work with my Sony A7, then I found your video and hey presto it works. Brilliant and thanks! I don't know if it syncs but cant see any reason why not and it sounds awesome!
For what its worth I set record level in A7 to 10 Olympus LS P1 (voice recorder) set to conference scene.
Nice vid! I worked out the same method using a Tascam DR44wl. and a DJI pocket 2. The Tascam has reverb on board so I wanted to do do some quick and dirty song videos. I use a two-way adapter from the line out so that I can use headphones at the same time. Watching your video confirmed that it wasn't such a weird thing to do. Thanks a lot!
Going Into the camera sounded a little brighter to me (listening on Yamaha HS5s) but definitely nothing drastic. Sounds good either way. I found your video researching audio solutions and logically was thinking that you could actually do this. It just made sense. I haven't been seeing anyone do it until NOW. 😌 Thanks for this video.
Been syncing in post. Going to have to test this! 👍🏻
It’s always nice to setup and see if it sounds fine, some mic pres do better than others, but no harm in trying, thanks for checking out the other videos Mike!
Just got the zoom h6 and this is super helpful! I was wondering if I could do this. Thanks for the detailed tutorial. Can’t wait to try it out!
Solid video!
I use a Sony A7III with Sennheiser G3 and tram TR-50 directly into the camera. I bring up gain on Sennheiser and put my camera volume to 1.
It works awesome. Clients compliment me on audio sometimes. I usually record a bit lower and bring up audio in post.
I am on here because I need to use two Sennheiser G3's and need a way to mix them. The Zoom H6 line out is the answer. Thank you for your video, I will get a Zoom H6.
Huge plus that I will have a backup in case something happens. Nothing has ever happened because I am always checking chosen takes.
Also 👍 appreciated if this is helpful! Stay safe out there!
You're so smart man. God bless you and love you content. Using same mic, cloud lifter and recorder. Doing this now. Thank you.
Hey thanks for stopping by CrackaLack!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences I'm new at this podcasting technology and you are an incredible resource.
Thanks for an eye opener Bro 🙏
Awesome vid. Thank you. You always provide practical solutions, easy to follow and implement! Appreciate your efforts to share with us. Please keep it up!
Thanks Robert! Means a lot!
Great tutorial as always my guy! I don't mind syncing audio in post but when you have more than 3 clips to sync it gets really tedious! Definitely gonna try this on our next project, we even use the same camera and field recorder!
Invaluable, Thanks Javier!
Both sound pretty good
Thanks for this! Very helpful and it took me too long to think about this as well....
This definitely works as long as you crank down your in cam audio. For instance on my Canon 5d MK IV, I have turn it all the way down to the first notch.
But the audio sounds almost identical between my Zoom H1 internal recording as it does to the audio sent to my 5d.
Good to know it works for you!
Thank you Javier! Great informative video!
Great to show minimizing camera audio input level to minimize the noise coming from its inferior audio amp. Thanks for the video.
Exactly what i needed thank uuu❤
Awesome job!!!
Great video that question is what I was wondering...TQSM bruh
this is exactly what i have been looking for , you just got yourself one subscriber
Awesome video. I've been trying to figure the audio out with my VR1HD switching between two different angles on Sony A7iii. The audio is out of sync for some reason and also isn't as clean.
Great, informative video! Thank you!
thanks man your on point with all this info
Great video man. I think it's important to point out that when using external line level audio into the camera, the mic/line option in the camera needs to be selected to line so as to bypass the camera's pre-amp as it's usually garbage. Even if the mic level is turned down substantially, you'll still have it "touch" the signal and that's not optimal. I go from the line out of my H1n or H5 right into my line in of my X-S10 and it sounds amazingly good. Then from there it's straight to YT so it's only processed once by YT. Thank you again for the demo sir.
Wow! Now I want to see that setup on a Crane 2!
when it comes to the difference between straight to the card and straight to camera I believe you notice the difference where your outside or somewhere with more background noise. Then you start to notice how that preamp on the camera muddys the sound a bit. I tried this with my H4n contected to the line in on the camera.
Thank you for this 🙌🏽
really worth it. saves a lot of time!
I think so, I understand that there are some situations that you need to be nimble with your setup so carrying around a recorder isn't efficient, but it does really speed things up if you can do it, thanks for watching and commenting Dennis! hope you are safe!
Excellent, thanks. I didn't notice a difference in the audio on my cheap 5.1 surround system. Unless you need the best and cleanest possible audio, using the headphone jack seems to work fine.
For some cameras that aren’t really designed to handle line level signals well, replacing a standard cable with a line-to-mic level attenuation cable will make these setups less noisy. It switches the voltage to what the cameras handles well, probably just a resistor on the cable.
If the audio sounds good it is good, so it is only something to buy if you are annoyed by differences in noise floor when connecting like this. If happy with the audio don’t get the cable :)
“Professional” camcorders often have a switch or a menu option to set the input in line level mode. Like a attenuation cable but built into the camera.
I got a case of tinnitus today, so I have zero clue if there was audible difference ;-)
that was really helpful, video editing is dope, lol just teasing me more to buy the a7 iii , but all in all thanks a lot , i was looking for a solution!
Thanks Dak Prescott! 🔥
That is an awesome video! Thank you!
Great Vid Javier as usual. Very well done. Solid content. Thanks
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Javier Mercedes thanks Javier
Very helpful, thank you 🙏🏾
I'm listening on studio monitors, and I couldn't tell a difference in the sound of the two options. Also, fantastic video!!!
I can hear it on the headphones. But the difference is almost negligible when listening on the phone speaker, specially with some background music.
thank you for this wonderful video
for the difference my ears did not catch any
nice video, very helpful and i'm sure time saving. Definitely gonna have to try this out.
Thank you and be sure to test if it sounds as good, if all else fails it’s always cool to record in the recorder while recording on the camera
That was useful cheers mate
Great video Javier!
Dude! Sending line level audio to another mic pre-amp, no matter how much you have it turned down, still uses the camera's inferior mic pre-amp. Fujifilm cameras, like my X-S10, allows you to select the camera mic port to accept line level or mic level so you can avoid all this "gain staging" and bypass the cheap camera mic. pre-amp completely. So I use the line out of my Tascam Mixcast 4 or the line outs of my Zoom H6 or Tascam 70d and send this audio to the camera mic port that is selected to accept "line level" signals and get an awesome video complete with the highest quality audio baked into it. This is the only problem with Sony cameras IMHO is that you're stuck with using the mic preamp to an extent unless you buy the very expensive hot shoe XLR mic option. Consider doing a video explaining this advantage of Fuji products over the others. Thanks man!
thank you so much for this... I was plugin my h6 always through line out, and having constant interferences. Finally plugged it through the headphones line and interferences were gone completely!!! thank you
I heard the diffrence only when i connected my professional headphones on. How many people will actually be listening on pro headphones and will they even notice it after adding sfx and background music.... I highly doubt it only when comparing side by side like this... Totally worth it for the workflow...
Thanks for the review,very detailed and great info
Great video! You can also do the same thing using the Rode Wireless Go lav system whereby the transmitter connects to the H6 line out at the bottom, and the Rode receiver connects to the camera (on top of hot shoe) with the 3.5mm cable going to the camera's mic in port. By using the Rode Wireless Go lav system, you will receive wireless audio transmission so you don't have to mess with cables that you can trip over. Plus the Rode Wireless Go lav system can transmit wirelessly up to 150 feet away, it's quite amazing. Only downside is that it costs $200 for the system versus $15 for a long cable. I use this wireless Rode lav system with my Canon camera.
Yes, although you may be introducing latency in to your recording, even if it’s a frame or two off, the lip syncing may not work as well? This is because the wireless Go works of the 2.4GHz wifi band. It’s pretty decent but I’ve known these issues to occur. If it works for you, it works for you. Great way to stay safe if it’s not knocking your audio out from the visuals?
Thank you!!
thanks for making this
Thank you so much
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this is awesome!
Great content!
Thank you!
Glad I could help
You really good person explained it
It's really very useful
Thank so much for it
Please don't stop to make videos on your channel 😊
Very good video I to have the Sony A73 and the Zoom H6 and F1 for me it really depends on if I am in studio or on location. Both do a great job from line in. I also backup to sod card .
Cool to hear you have the same gear!
I tried to do this one time with my tascam, but the audio was horrible. So I got lazy and never tried again, so I just stuck to syncing audio in post. I think I may give this a try again. 👍🏽
I’m not familiar with the preamps on a tascam, always worth a quick test.
Thank you for sharing your awesome! video your video was so helpful
oh lord, the amount of times i have a thousand different video clips and my H5 has one , one hour clip that just kills me to sync it all up!! It never occurred to me to do this as my last camera did not have a mic input! Now i just need to mount my zoom somewhere !
Thanks!
That’s how I came to this idea as well, spending all that time in edit syncing. Even if the quality may not be as good at least the signals are about the same so syncing is a breeze in post.
Thank you, you gained a sub.
Thank you very much for your guidance. I tried my Zoom H1n on Sony A7iii with Rode Lavalier Go mic. The sound was amazingly impressive with gain level 4 on Zoom, and level 1 on Sony A7iii, while the bars were hitting around -12 db. What was also impressive was that I could record the sound on Zoom at the same time in wave format with 48khz/24bit, just in case I needed it separately. However, when I copied both the Zoom file and the Camera file to Audacity, I was surprised that both the files were recorded at 48khz/32bit and the sound level of the Zoom file was much lower than the camera file and needed to be amplified to about 15db. After doing so, I could not trace any difference between the two. May I conclude: Using Zoom H1n only adds to the complexity and produces no extra quality? Will plug my mic directly into the camera next time without Zoom.
the advantage of using a separate audio file on Zoom H5 only comes in outdoors environment and at long distances between the audio recorder (located close to talent) and camera.
Good stuff.
Thx bro ❤️💙👏🏻
Thanks for the helpful tips! Audio is key, still learning as new to YT but getting there.
I’ve learned it’s more important than video tbh. I’m pretty new, too, and it’s exciting and super fun troubleshooting all of this stuff. You got this man! I’m rooting for ya 🙌
@@ScottGerke Thanks Scott! Agree 100%
I hope it works on mine. Gonna try this
Thank you
i use 2 rode wireless that go to my 2 cameras from my zoom F4 where i have 3 g4 512s and 1 shotgun. its just less steps to worry about. quick to send clients when cutting down interviews and easy to sync when cameras are further from sound source.
Your mic sounds amazing.
Thank you!
Excellent
Sounds the same. Thanks for the video.
Holy Cow...handy for multiple mics...but using the Beachtek is so much easier for my needs and it's attached to the camera :)
I will definitely going to do this set up! I have the Shure SM57 and because I am not as fancy as you, instead of the cloud lifter, I will use the Klark mic booster with my H6. Can't wait to try it! Thanks Javier!
Clark booster is great
I do mostly field shooting. I find the DJI wireless mics to be excellent but I would imagine with all your equipment you get much better sound.
Nice, this will work with my Zoom H1n as well. Just need to check that output level. I guess the Rode VC1 extension cable is a TRS type, i can see it has two black rings on the 3.5mm jack.
I highly recommend to Zoom H4N user this cable: Sescom LN2MIC-ZMH4-MON 3.5mm Line to Mic 25dB Attenuation Cable for Zoom H4N with Headphone Monitoring Jack
Nice video I will be syncing in post lol
Awesome
Honestly to me it sounds the same with my Marshall Major headphones. Great video though. I use an H2N and just plug it into my camera. Looking to upgrade all my gear so that's how I found your video.
Nice & Thanks :)
I definitely hear some noise in the signal that is stereo going directly into the camera vs. the signal that is mono going into the H6 at the end of this video. There's a high pitched hum in the stereo track going directly into the camera that pops in an out. It is not in the H6 track.
cables with just 3 Poles does not work with me on that set up (zoom h6 line out +canon 77d mic input ) - but when i'm used a cable with 4 Poles it just work perfectly !
Amazing video. I was very close to get my question answered. I do get the first part down but my question is. What cable do I need or how do I get audio from the dj’s board. If I have a zoom h4n pro and 3.5 male cord connected to the camera.
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Definitely a difference
I definitely can hear the hiss directly from the camera, I am using my Sony xm4 for listen this
Me too
The audio directly from Zoom rocks. Cleaner and no hiss or pitching.
Hey Javier!
Thanks for this tip!
Did you notice any static sound when connecting it? I was able to fix it in Premiere with the denoise filter but it was quite noticeable. Any tips? I use the Sony A7III, the same amazon cable and Zoom H6 with a Rode Mic and XLR cable. (All new with the exception of the camera)
thx.
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Thanks Andrew!
I liked the second one (going through the H6), though the difference was slight. To me, the efficiency isn't worth it. I'm akin to a perfectionist when it comes to sound.