Two amazing fighters.Willie was really one of the best ever, his timing and movement is so slick. Some complain in the comments here that he also fought people with negative records, this was in an era when men fought for real, none of this 6 months training camp. If you have over 200 fights, you are going to fight many poor and many good opponents. If it's not so great a thing, they could do it too? Maybe instead of getting chicken grease over their combat keyboard, they will show us :)
All of the Pep fights I have watched on here have 0 dislikes! He was an exceptional fighter, he had the best footwork and defense of just about any fighter in history.
That was a beautiful shift Willie does at 5:40 uses a left leg shift forward to throw all his weight in his shot. In O.S Westermans 1919 Counter back on Counter he covers this exact shift. At 7:25 he uses a left leg shift on offense. Shift the right and than shift the left. Wow this is great footage exactly how the book explains them.
Yes sir just google OS Westerman Counter back on Counter. The Intrenet Archives has it for free. Its also on an app called SCRIBD. One of the best books ive come across and ive seen quite a few rare old books..
2 greats from there reapective time line going to war, but I bet if we brought them in the ring to fight guys like Inoue they'd be toast. Still a lot of respect for these guys though
not even close lmao. these guys fought and sparred constantly, their in ring abilities were much better than fighters today. back then we didn’t know about cte and fighters had to fight as often as possible to survive so they may have hurt themselves long term but when they were in their primes they were way better.
@@Cj-qk7ilstop trolling looney this looks horrible why don't I see as many of you saying oh his defense was so great as with those selected highlights? Oh cause like the poster could see they see every outdated techniques
@@ascendediam bro ur literally stupid. I assume ur talking ab Sugar Ray Robinson when you say that and it’s widely agreed upon that he was the best offensive fighter, ever. Sugar Ray had almost perfect punch mechanics. I can tell what this is, you just don’t have any actual boxing experience or you would be able to see the subtle mastery at work. Before I got in the ring and educated myself, i used to think just like you.
@Cj-qk7il ur literally insane I have videos of this on my page like why are you saying quotes that can't go over video? The era looks like my video shows
Met mr pep in the early 90's at theV.A. hospital in rocky hill, Connecticut as he was coming out of the administration bld. He seen me siting on the bench, 1st thing he said was, u want to fight ! I jump up went behind the bench & said no sir. Nicest person i every met. Like him I allso grew up in Hartford Ct.,but in the 60's.when he pass away he was buried at Rose cemetery right up the street from the V.A. when i seen him that day he was visiting a friend of his in the hospital. Great man.
@Hammerschlägen M What said is complete nonsense. Willie pep had over 200 fights and fought way better men than the modern day fighters. I highly doubt in today's boxing era there any trainer,boxer or whatever will be able to counter willie pep style.
@Hammerschlägen M You said his opponents would be better prepared do to rather pathetic reasons. He fought men who literally had 50+fights and constantly fighting on a monthly basis,their skills were constantly being sharpened and these guys were more seasoned than the average modern boxer. And remember his opponents would usually doing rematch clauses against Willie Pep more than once so they basically was constantly gaining knowledge in the ring with the REAL Willie Pep.So I truly don't know how or why his opponents would be better prepared when they basically be fighting multiple times a year against different and unique opponents and rematching their opponents constantly.
But what does my head in is people on here shouting what a great fighter he was by boxing and moving floyd does that and every one hates on him that's boxing at it's best
This was after Wille Pep was in a plane crash that made doctors tell him he would never walk again... let alone win a title and many more fights. He also had a lot less people to learn from; no videos, maybe a film here or there, but hardly the ocean of information, support, and coaching Mayweather has had. And Willie was a nice guy. After all that, I still think Mayweather is also awesome so I somewhat agree with you! People don't like his trouble with the law, hitting a woman maybe ( I don't follow that stuff much) but I have a rather unusual approach to all that; I only watch him box and don't really care about much else because I don't know him or walk in his shoes. All his other life is none of my business, and I can stop watching boxing if I want also... but I think Mayweather is a hell of a fighter and one of the best ever. So was Willie.
Boxing wise mayweather is a genius no doubt, its casuals. Mayweather and most fighters nowadays are douchey tho
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The difference is, Willie fought. He was far more engaging and offensively frustrating than Floyd whose style is more passive. Pep went inside the men he fought, Floyd always stayed on the outside. Pep had more fights while Floyd belongs to an era of tayloring, cherry-picking and long building. This is why Pep is more appreciated by the folks you refer to. He was all about improvisation, adaptation, experimentation. Mayweather is a completely different boxer, physically, technically, mentally... so is his competition. Its not even the same sport anymore. Back in the day, you really had to dig, work, think, fight and want it. Today... meh... its sleepy. Only the lifestyles are flashy, but behind the cameras, that too is boring as hell. The sums of money are vast but what for? Most modern fighters lack charm and personality. They are also not that hungry. They don't even know what they want. There's hardly any fulfillment. And just like abbeykroeter said... WIllie Pep bounced back from a plane crash, had no footage to learn from or advanced coaches. Still, he owned it, remained nice throughout his career too, no trash acting, so that's also a factor to his liking. Willie Pep was never as protected as Floyd, that's another thing to consider.
Those old films mislead! They don´t show all these "old masters" moves in super-slow-motion. I don´t want to take anything away from the WMs nowadays, but I honestly believe that those ancient warriors were much better!
Not according to lunatics on forums who for years said this man would beat guys in 70s-90s,yet it wasn't anyone as advanced from those era's in this one this looks like novices the whole era does
lunatics also said for years have used willard match as proof dempsey could beat guys like foreman/mercer/bowe/lyle/wlad mind you it wasn't even anybody as advanced as the average guys in those era,in this era of jack they didn't exist,it doesn't matter that will didn't have skill or horrible movements,all that matters is he was tall so that's proof,bunch of weirdos
THEN YA GET THESE GUYS THAT SAY old time fighters could never measure up or keep pace with todays guys.they didnt have diet ,equipment etc..BULLSHIT!! behold an ol timer WILLIE PEP.OL TIMERS DIDNT HAVE SKILL RIGHT? wrong.listen this is not the only one,back then these guys could flat out FIGHT.Lots of em could fight,as in many.
I can't believe they had such specimens like Pep even back then. I mean when it comes to athleticsm and technique he's way up there even for todays standards.
Pep through better combination and was able to fight from a clinch and instead of stepping out could fight with small pivots rather than running track around an opponent like Leonard at a time when their was little film he was 229-11 not just 47-0
@jameskimmike ..lol .blowing smoke huh..burley was excellent so was sam willie was exceptional before the plane crash and a mear immortal after..every hear of harry greb..hes number 3 i feel all time.burley not in top 40..or 50 top 100 yep.
@LIKWITCREW1 deres a reason y pep is remembered as one of the greatest boxers of all time , why ppl kno his name and not yours , when you can fight over 241 times and win 229 of those fights or even do somethin even half that impressive then u can tlk
ok.well opinions are like assholes,everybodys got one!thats why i dont care much for opinions,esp.here.i do respect facts though,yeaaa facts.pep fought 25 years in 229 pro fights,had more knockouts 65,than floyd had total fights.my comment was about willies extensive,unheard of,number of fights,and ko's.let me know how "clean"floyds record is at 229 PRO FIGHTS.I do like floyd tho,one of my big faves,superb fighter
Oh LOL i was responding to this then deleted it all after i saw what you were actually trying to say. I just can't stop laughing at your lack of knowledge and understanding on how to approach this subject, you think just three random fighters in 250 fights is suppose to give the impression he just fights a bunch of lame people? That requires a serious lack of knowledge on your part.
On my page shows this compared to the average 70s fighter overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times, and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves. the ray era They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing.
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Two amazing fighters.Willie was really one of the best ever, his timing and movement is so slick. Some complain in the comments here that he also fought people with negative records, this was in an era when men fought for real, none of this 6 months training camp. If you have over 200 fights, you are going to fight many poor and many good opponents. If it's not so great a thing, they could do it too? Maybe instead of getting chicken grease over their combat keyboard, they will show us :)
Thats my man,willie pep,beautiful fighter,so relaxed,so easy,so fluid,like water...
Willie Pep, one of my most favourite fighters! One of the best pure boxers ever to live!!!!!!
What an absolutely incredible fighter Pep was.
All of the Pep fights I have watched on here have 0 dislikes! He was an exceptional fighter, he had the best footwork and defense of just about any fighter in history.
I know right.
Poetry in Motion. Will we ever see another Willie Pep in our lifetime!
MrTrackman100 sweet pea was closest to it
Dominick Cruz MMA
Lomachenko
@Hammerschlägen M dont forget to add and a bitch!
gA.YCUNT if Mayweather’s a bitch, Pep and Sweet Pea may as well be bitches too!
Willie Pep makes my eyes hurt! What a fighter
The best pure boxer of all time & a top 5 all time p4p fighter.... the greatest featherweight that ever lived.
Looks more like a showcase than a fight. what an exhibition! He dominated every aspect of the fight!
always nice to hear the voice of Marty Glickman announcing.
Brilliant upload.
Thanks for posting this buddy. Big ups to TheGreatA.
u wish peps considered the greatest featherweight of all time, a top 5 fighter of all time and the greatest defensive fighters of all time
this is beautifulboxing folks,im amazed
@chunkyscotty Yep, footwork was definitely the greatest. Defense, probably the greatest. Just an amazing prizefighter.
Pep was one of the greatest defensive fighters ever.
He could make guys look silly.He would just frustrate them to death.
That was a beautiful shift Willie does at 5:40 uses a left leg shift forward to throw all his weight in his shot. In O.S Westermans 1919 Counter back on Counter he covers this exact shift. At 7:25 he uses a left leg shift on offense. Shift the right and than shift the left. Wow this is great footage exactly how the book explains them.
Hey pal do you know where you got the book from or did you get in a PDF
Yes sir just google OS Westerman Counter back on Counter. The Intrenet Archives has it for free. Its also on an app called SCRIBD. One of the best books ive come across and ive seen quite a few rare old books..
@@dannanrik ok cheers
Pep is so slick and fast. He would have been great in any era of boxing.
Does anyone know where i can find full fight? Is there any other fights of Ray Famechon?
The golden age of boxing, you'll never see men like this again.
BRILLIANT!!!!
the greatest boxing master of all time n the second greatest fighter ever behind robinson
He's such a clever fighter, would have confused many a modern fighter.
Brilliant boxing, btw who else has noticed the audio is looped? ;)
How many of today’s fighters could fight twice a month and 15 rounders ?
amazing skills
Who taught pep how to do all this shit?
@MDSJR67 THE best featherweight ever.......
omg willie omg this doesnt even seem real he really cant touch him :D go willie damm hes amazing
Willie Pep,,He is the one of pound for pound fighter ever......He is better than many of champions today....
how can i get this fight
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15 rounds! MY LORD! INSANE! How long were rounds back then? They seem shorter?
3zminutes still
That is insane @@paulcris107
2 greats from there reapective time line going to war, but I bet if we brought them in the ring to fight guys like Inoue they'd be toast. Still a lot of respect for these guys though
not even close lmao. these guys fought and sparred constantly, their in ring abilities were much better than fighters today. back then we didn’t know about cte and fighters had to fight as often as possible to survive so they may have hurt themselves long term but when they were in their primes they were way better.
@@Cj-qk7ilstop trolling looney this looks horrible why don't I see as many of you saying oh his defense was so great as with those selected highlights? Oh cause like the poster could see they see every outdated techniques
@@ascendediam “they look terrible” no, they look different. You can’t fight 240 times without being good at what you do.
@@ascendediam bro ur literally stupid. I assume ur talking ab Sugar Ray Robinson when you say that and it’s widely agreed upon that he was the best offensive fighter, ever. Sugar Ray had almost perfect punch mechanics. I can tell what this is, you just don’t have any actual boxing experience or you would be able to see the subtle mastery at work. Before I got in the ring and educated myself, i used to think just like you.
@Cj-qk7il ur literally insane I have videos of this on my page like why are you saying quotes that can't go over video? The era looks like my video shows
Any idea of Pep's record in title fights?
Met mr pep in the early 90's at theV.A. hospital in rocky hill, Connecticut as he was coming out of the administration bld. He seen me siting on the bench, 1st thing he said was, u want to fight ! I jump up went behind the bench & said no sir. Nicest person i every met. Like him I allso grew up in Hartford Ct.,but in the 60's.when he pass away he was buried at Rose cemetery right up the street from the V.A. when i seen him that day he was visiting a friend of his in the hospital. Great man.
You can whup any man,if you stick and move,any man.Even one much stronger than you.This is boxing....
Ray has a very similar style to Cus's Tight Defense.
@hmldjr one can hope cant we
If he fought today he`d be among the elite in the sport. wow! what a talent. the footwork is just crazy smooth!
Among the elite? He would be p4p #1 easily
@Hammerschlägen M What said is complete nonsense. Willie pep had over 200 fights and fought way better men than the modern day fighters. I highly doubt in today's boxing era there any trainer,boxer or whatever will be able to counter willie pep style.
@Hammerschlägen M Oh really by all means prove me wrong.
@Hammerschlägen M Stop with the deflection buddy. You made a claim and I asked you to prove me wrong.
@Hammerschlägen M You said his opponents would be better prepared do to rather pathetic reasons. He fought men who literally had 50+fights and constantly fighting on a monthly basis,their skills were constantly being sharpened and these guys were more seasoned than the average modern boxer. And remember his opponents would usually doing rematch clauses against Willie Pep more than once so they basically was constantly gaining knowledge in the ring with the REAL Willie Pep.So I truly don't know how or why his opponents would be better prepared when they basically be fighting multiple times a year against different and unique opponents and rematching their opponents constantly.
But what does my head in is people on here shouting what a great fighter he was by boxing and moving floyd does that and every one hates on him that's boxing at it's best
This was after Wille Pep was in a plane crash that made doctors tell him he would never walk again... let alone win a title and many more fights. He also had a lot less people to learn from; no videos, maybe a film here or there, but hardly the ocean of information, support, and coaching Mayweather has had. And Willie was a nice guy. After all that, I still think Mayweather is also awesome so I somewhat agree with you! People don't like his trouble with the law, hitting a woman maybe ( I don't follow that stuff much) but I have a rather unusual approach to all that; I only watch him box and don't really care about much else because I don't know him or walk in his shoes. All his other life is none of my business, and I can stop watching boxing if I want also... but I think Mayweather is a hell of a fighter and one of the best ever. So was Willie.
Boxing wise mayweather is a genius no doubt, its casuals. Mayweather and most fighters nowadays are douchey tho
The difference is, Willie fought. He was far more engaging and offensively frustrating than Floyd whose style is more passive. Pep went inside the men he fought, Floyd always stayed on the outside. Pep had more fights while Floyd belongs to an era of tayloring, cherry-picking and long building. This is why Pep is more appreciated by the folks you refer to. He was all about improvisation, adaptation, experimentation. Mayweather is a completely different boxer, physically, technically, mentally... so is his competition. Its not even the same sport anymore. Back in the day, you really had to dig, work, think, fight and want it. Today... meh... its sleepy. Only the lifestyles are flashy, but behind the cameras, that too is boring as hell. The sums of money are vast but what for? Most modern fighters lack charm and personality. They are also not that hungry. They don't even know what they want. There's hardly any fulfillment. And just like abbeykroeter said... WIllie Pep bounced back from a plane crash, had no footage to learn from or advanced coaches. Still, he owned it, remained nice throughout his career too, no trash acting, so that's also a factor to his liking. Willie Pep was never as protected as Floyd, that's another thing to consider.
Lucien Draay you said a lot there mate and you said it well.
Willie pep is the personification of hit and dont get hit
Those old films mislead! They don´t show all these "old masters" moves in super-slow-motion. I don´t want to take anything away from the WMs nowadays, but I honestly believe that those ancient warriors were much better!
Looked slick bht hes no lomachenko lets face it
Not according to lunatics on forums who for years said this man would beat guys in 70s-90s,yet it wasn't anyone as advanced from those era's in this one
this looks like novices the whole era does
lunatics also said for years have used willard match as proof dempsey could beat guys like foreman/mercer/bowe/lyle/wlad mind you it wasn't even anybody as advanced as the average guys in those era,in this era of jack they didn't exist,it doesn't matter that will didn't have skill or horrible movements,all that matters is he was tall so that's proof,bunch of weirdos
@dmar5143 agree
@VCthaGOATdunker he exceeds all current fighters BY FAR
Ray est de ma famille
He's a good fighter like that's what I like to see put an ass whooping on your oppenent with out getting hit
damn you don't see to many white guys that can dance like that. he moves better then james brown lol. hell of a fighter.
Now I know where Darchinyan learned to fight- Ray Famechon! lol
great fight. Ray Famechon! Pep ain't in his prime here. but he still can feignt that right, step, then pop!
man...he jus runnin the whole fight...thats nothin
so you're saying sugar ray robinson isn't good?
pound for pound best BOXER ever.
He is top 5 for sure
THEN YA GET THESE GUYS THAT SAY old time fighters could never measure up or keep pace with todays guys.they didnt have diet ,equipment etc..BULLSHIT!! behold an ol timer WILLIE PEP.OL TIMERS DIDNT HAVE SKILL RIGHT? wrong.listen this is not the only one,back then these guys could flat out FIGHT.Lots of em could fight,as in many.
Is this where Ali got his style? Dancing, holding his left hand down and jabbing from the waist?
I can't believe they had such specimens like Pep even back then. I mean when it comes to athleticsm and technique he's way up there even for todays standards.
Pep through better combination and was able to fight from a clinch and instead of stepping out could fight with small pivots rather than running track around an opponent like Leonard at a time when their was little film he was 229-11 not just 47-0
His footwork was great but I think Lomachenko's in present day is the best of all time
jens hathaway I disagree. pep can match the foot speed yet he is more dynamic with his footwork.
@@regkray9872can you not see good all the mistakes and outdated tech this guy's fought like this looks horrible you need help
@@regkray9872try not making stupid comments if you can't see good
4:08 left hooks lol those look like hardd ones
@jameskimmike ..lol .blowing smoke huh..burley was excellent so was sam willie was exceptional before the plane crash and a mear immortal after..every hear of harry greb..hes number 3 i feel all time.burley not in top 40..or 50 top 100 yep.
@LIKWITCREW1 deres a reason y pep is remembered as one of the greatest boxers of all time , why ppl kno his name and not yours , when you can fight over 241 times and win 229 of those fights or even do somethin even half that impressive then u can tlk
dam that was one good fight right there
He dont have the credit he deserves cause he was a featherweight
researched his opponants to make him look like a lesser fighter? thats pretty sad.
ok.well opinions are like assholes,everybodys got one!thats why i dont care much for opinions,esp.here.i do respect facts though,yeaaa facts.pep fought 25 years in 229 pro fights,had more knockouts 65,than floyd had total fights.my comment was about willies extensive,unheard of,number of fights,and ko's.let me know how "clean"floyds record is at 229 PRO FIGHTS.I do like floyd tho,one of my big faves,superb fighter
mayweather*
Pep is very likely a top 3 p4p ever
mayweathermis heads an tales above pep lol no argument!!!
Oh LOL i was responding to this then deleted it all after i saw what you were actually trying to say. I just can't stop laughing at your lack of knowledge and understanding on how to approach this subject, you think just three random fighters in 250 fights is suppose to give the impression he just fights a bunch of lame people? That requires a serious lack of knowledge on your part.
This guy is boxing just like Floyd.Sticking and moving.
Floyd is just like this guy*
He is tying up and everything.He got way more fights than Floyd but I don't nothing but a superior boxer against a flat footed fighter.
you must be high. maywesther wpuld be schooled and tooked by pep@Denver1928
I remember years ago trying to get really into the sport and watching this. Not understanding what all the hype was about with pep. Boy was I dumb.
Still is this looks horrible
@@ascendediam I mean the cameras back then weren't as good as today
stop saying that odd phrase can see these fights your not blind just like others can this looks horrible compared to 70s
On my page shows this compared to the average 70s fighter overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times,
and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves.
the ray era They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing.