This is some beautiful boxing shown in the 1920s era because back then you still had fighters who carried the 1800s style of fighting, which was a bunch of slugging and clinching to see who wins. Fighters back then had this style where they would keep both hands down and throw punches sideways, instead of turning the knuckles.
He reminds me of Willy pep. A slower version although still very fast and not quite as good defensively yet still excellent that department yet Leonard was the more technical boxer and he punches alot harder. Imagine those 2 going at it? I'd find it hard to pick a winner. Both for me are in the top ten best ever.I'd have pep slightly ahead but it could easily be the other way around.
@@davidfitzgerald4683 he has better d than pep he uses a lotta of parrying with his hands(parrying with 1 hand and hitting with the other ..think of jack johnson with mobility and big punch ..pep has nothing on benny leonard!
Hell, there's footage of 4 of Les Darcy's fights, against some men Greb had already beaten or would in the future. Nearly every hall of fame fighter he faced(and mostly defeated) and others who turned down his challenges (Dempsey, Carpentier, Mike O'Dowd, etc etc) were filmed in action. It sucks that we will likely never have film of Greb but we can know how great he was based on his resume against all those filmed fighters.
@Zeno Kyriakides Yes, it has been confirmed that at least Greb-Tunney 1, Greb-Walker, and Greb-Flowers 2 were filmed, and did exist in archives. Upon further investigation by people like Jim Jacobs, they 'disappeared', more likely they were bought or stolen by a collector who knew of their value, or the nitrite film stock had deteriorated to the point of them being unwatchable, or to literal dust, if they were never transfered to 8mm, 16mm film, or even 2" video tape. If they are properly stored, nitrate stock film reels can last decades. Some other fights that may have been filmed were any of his four rematches with Tunney, his third fight with Flowers which was his last fight, one of his fights with Kid Norfolk, or his title winning fight over MW Champ Johnny Wilson. I've no idea what others there could be; they may yet still be out there but are more than likely lost to time. :/
Jimmy Jacobs lived with the hope that somewhere in somebody's attic or basement was squirred away a Harry Greb fight or two. Whether there is a Grail or not, it keeps questing knights in the game.
@@constantine7382 Yes, I figured that my response was already wordy but my 'mostly defeated' statement was meant to suggest that Greb beat the majority of his opponents (261 wins in 299 bouts) Mike O'Dowd was the only Champ and Hall of Famer that Greb didn't defeat at least once in his stacked resume, as you mentioned prior He avoided Greb as he came into his true prime.
Duran would have been too much as he was physically stronger; sometimes weighing over 210 pounds, but trained down, i.e., Leonard was not of this kind of build, and Duran had the kind of strength required in the fight game, which cannot be obtained with weightlifting; you have it or you don't! Also, Leonard could've not moved into a middleweight class. He beat Sugar Ray the third time as he also beat Hagler, maybe not by decision, but by facial scars, beat the hell out of them. Voted by Ring Magazine as the fifth greatest fighter in the last 80 years; isn't that enough?
You’re Dreaming!!! Roberto Duran in his later years was a FAT SLOB that had No Discipline when it came to Eating Food and Drinking Liquor!!! Duran was Strong in his Prime but was undisciplined when it came to staying in shape. Stop being Delusional!!! Have you always been a Liar?
This unknown.. tender, nevers heard of.. but the others.. tenors Benny, Leonard, I heard, befor he's, died the yrs, 1940s not sure.becuz.. I used too reads books abouts these boxers,.I admired it.. the classical, boxers.becuz. Theys are professors, fighters and.is nothing.mistaken.. also. Their's papa's, 'em and why's sons, are good. So theys kepts, doing what's their's papa's, so is do helps too.. makes millions, dollars, and when.. mostly.. do won.. and moved..out of this dreadful, places goes. Out the hoods, gladly others individuals, don't moved. Becuz theys nots that's riches, stays theres.is makes senses..
Benny Leonard was certainly one of the all time greats. he was basically unbeatable as a lgt. held the title forever, and was only really defeated when he had to come back into boxing after being retired for a long time, he had lost all the money he made as a result of the stock market crash. Benny in his prime would be at the top of the 135 lb division with all the greats, Armstrong, Duran,Chavez,Whitaker,Mayweather.
@@davidfitzgerald4683 Gans is the only one that should be mentioned with Leonard. The others he mentioned don't have half the resume those two boys had.
Leonard was good in a great period, and what money these guys made in the twenties, if they fought for Tex Rickard; but physically, Leonard was not in Roberto Duran's league, and would not have lasted three rounds with Duran.
Matt Hamiltion I agree with the part about Leonard beating Duran but in no way was Buchanan giving trouble to Duran. Duran was dominating Buchanan and was actually beating the snot out of him.
@@AssMuncher995 well, let's here what Ray Arcel would say. He said that Leonard would beat Duran's ass. Coming from the trainer of both fighters says a lot.
@@raygan1221 benny leonard had power ,used his parrying like jack johnson but combined that with footwork ...duran would not get a clean hit and take bombs from leonard ...i think benny would win every round against duran (leonard school better competition too!)
christorpher84 Do you actually know what you are looking at? Technique and tactics-wise? Can you slow down the footage and call them out? If not, then you have to get into your local boxing gym and get in the ring...and see how difficult it is to pull off all of those techniques, just versus someone at your level - never mind against an all time great like Tendler.
thaaaaaank you for this amazing footage if you have any more prime leonard dont be shy!
I’d heard and read about this fight for years. It’s great to watch it. I’d forgotten they’d said that Leonard was a great boxer. He sure proved that.
Thank you for this wonderful presentation!
Great counters from both.
Just beautiful boxing from both participants.
This is some beautiful boxing shown in the 1920s era because back then you still had fighters who carried the 1800s style of fighting, which was a bunch of slugging and clinching to see who wins. Fighters back then had this style where they would keep both hands down and throw punches sideways, instead of turning the knuckles.
116,000$ in 1922 was like 2.6 million today
Only 1.7 million actually
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No. Not actually.
Zip it pinhead.
A boxing writer said Leonard fought similar to a sped up Jack Johnson, and now I see it.
What a smart fighter. Many modern pro's could learn a lot from this. Moving right and bringing his opponent on to the right lead
Wonder why no one made amateurs fighting Iike these guys in 70s-90s
101 years ago.
Thanks for the video, HISTORY VA
The crowd sound must be added in because this footage is now 102 years old
Leonard is the greatest lightweight and 6th greatest p4p fighter
That would be about correct. I'd actually have him ranked the same good call.
Roberto Duran...
@@SeanRosati He would beat Duran
@@SickBoy666100 Nope, Duran beat SRL and lost when he was out of shape. Also a prime Duran cut every boxer in lightweight
Franco Garcia we won't know for sure since they both fought in a different era but it would be an interesting match up.
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He reminds me of Willy pep. A slower version although still very fast and not quite as good defensively yet still excellent that department yet Leonard was the more technical boxer and he punches alot harder. Imagine those 2 going at it? I'd find it hard to pick a winner. Both for me are in the top ten best ever.I'd have pep slightly ahead but it could easily be the other way around.
hes better than pep!!!
Pep was a featherweight.
@@samtotheg If i had to choose yes id pick loenard too.
@@1saxonwolf obviousley
@@davidfitzgerald4683 he has better d than pep he uses a lotta of parrying with his hands(parrying with 1 hand and hitting with the other ..think of jack johnson with mobility and big punch ..pep has nothing on benny leonard!
They have film of leonard.But none of Greb..go figure.
Hell, there's footage of 4 of Les Darcy's fights, against some men Greb had already beaten or would in the future. Nearly every hall of fame fighter he faced(and mostly defeated) and others who turned down his challenges (Dempsey, Carpentier, Mike O'Dowd, etc etc) were filmed in action. It sucks that we will likely never have film of Greb but we can know how great he was based on his resume against all those filmed fighters.
@Zeno Kyriakides Yes, it has been confirmed that at least Greb-Tunney 1, Greb-Walker, and Greb-Flowers 2 were filmed, and did exist in archives. Upon further investigation by people like Jim Jacobs, they 'disappeared', more likely they were bought or stolen by a collector who knew of their value, or the nitrite film stock had deteriorated to the point of them being unwatchable, or to literal dust, if they were never transfered to 8mm, 16mm film, or even 2" video tape. If they are properly stored, nitrate stock film reels can last decades. Some other fights that may have been filmed were any of his four rematches with Tunney, his third fight with Flowers which was his last fight, one of his fights with Kid Norfolk, or his title winning fight over MW Champ Johnny Wilson. I've no idea what others there could be; they may yet still be out there but are more than likely lost to time. :/
Jimmy Jacobs lived with the hope that somewhere in somebody's attic or basement was squirred away a Harry Greb fight or two. Whether there is a Grail or not, it keeps questing knights in the game.
@@gkj1992 Greb actually fought O'Dowd to a draw in 1918. You are right though. Greb begged for a rematch but Mike wanted no part of a return match.
@@constantine7382 Yes, I figured that my response was already wordy but my 'mostly defeated' statement was meant to suggest that Greb beat the majority of his opponents (261 wins in 299 bouts) Mike O'Dowd was the only Champ and Hall of Famer that Greb didn't defeat at least once in his stacked resume, as you mentioned prior He avoided Greb as he came into his true prime.
How much film can you find on leonard?
I'm not the greatest when it comes to math. How much would $116,000 be in 2024??
The good shit
Wasn't Benny Leonard the man with the corkscrew punch?
The referee is faster than them... Looks the better man on ring.
Wackos on forums said this guy would beat guys in 70s-90s yet no one made amateurs/mid fighting like these guys in those eras
Duran will destroy him duran should be the best lightweight to ever live.
Why?
Duran would have been too much as he was physically stronger; sometimes weighing over 210 pounds, but trained down, i.e., Leonard was not of this kind of build, and Duran had the kind of strength required in the fight game, which cannot be obtained with weightlifting; you have it or you don't! Also, Leonard could've not moved into a middleweight class. He beat Sugar Ray the third time as he also beat Hagler, maybe not by decision, but by facial scars, beat the hell out of them. Voted by Ring Magazine as the fifth greatest fighter in the last 80 years; isn't that enough?
You’re Dreaming!!! Roberto Duran in his later years was a FAT SLOB that had No Discipline when it came to Eating Food and Drinking Liquor!!! Duran was Strong in his Prime but was undisciplined when it came to staying in shape. Stop being Delusional!!! Have you always been a Liar?
I love the fight with duran and hearns. Even though it's only a couple of rounds, it's actually in my top 3 favorite beatdowns ever.
This unknown.. tender, nevers heard of.. but the others.. tenors Benny, Leonard, I heard, befor he's, died the yrs, 1940s not sure.becuz.. I used too reads books abouts these boxers,.I admired it.. the classical, boxers.becuz.
Theys are professors, fighters and.is nothing.mistaken.. also.
Their's papa's, 'em and why's sons, are good. So theys kepts, doing what's their's papa's, so is do helps too.. makes millions, dollars, and when.. mostly.. do won.. and moved..out of this dreadful, places goes. Out the hoods, gladly others individuals, don't moved. Becuz theys nots that's riches, stays theres.is makes senses..
Benny Leonard had some of the best distance control in boxing history
Benny Leonard was certainly one of the all time greats. he was basically unbeatable as a lgt. held the title forever, and was only really defeated when he had to come back into boxing after being retired for a long time, he had lost all the money he made as a result of the stock market crash. Benny in his prime would be at the top of the 135 lb division with all the greats, Armstrong, Duran,Chavez,Whitaker,Mayweather.
you forgot joe gans
@@davidfitzgerald4683 Gans is the only one that should be mentioned with Leonard. The others he mentioned don't have half the resume those two boys had.
Leonard was good in a great period, and what money these guys made in the twenties, if they fought for Tex Rickard; but physically, Leonard was not in Roberto Duran's league, and would not have lasted three rounds with Duran.
why was he not in his league physicaly? I believe loenard would beat duran..Look at the trouble ken beaucanan gave duran..
Matt Hamiltion I agree with the part about Leonard beating Duran but in no way was Buchanan giving trouble to Duran. Duran was dominating Buchanan and was actually beating the snot out of him.
@@AssMuncher995 well, let's here what Ray Arcel would say. He said that Leonard would beat Duran's ass. Coming from the trainer of both fighters says a lot.
@@raygan1221 benny leonard had power ,used his parrying like jack johnson but combined that with footwork ...duran would not get a clean hit and take bombs from leonard ...i think benny would win every round against duran (leonard school better competition too!)
DeJesus dropped him twice in three fights and beat him up once. You think DeJesus stays with Leonard?
i'm not impressed with leonard
christorpher84 well every boxing historian and person that saw him actually fight was very impressed. ...
why are u not impressed. do u know the opponent his fighing is a atg? whats there not to be impressed with? do u know anything about boxing?
christorpher84 Do you actually know what you are looking at? Technique and tactics-wise? Can you slow down the footage and call them out?
If not, then you have to get into your local boxing gym and get in the ring...and see how difficult it is to pull off all of those techniques, just versus someone at your level - never mind against an all time great like Tendler.
@@jassnaj7443you’re slow he’s comparing to 70s-90s this looks novice like so why are you bragging about what people thought in his time
@@TainoMantis are you trolling look up any amateur/midcarder in 70s-90s do these guys look as advanced
This looks like novices