PSA from my $.02. The remaining runway criteria for G/A aircraft like this is a little silly and not helpful. The reasoning doesn't work in that even if you had a loss of power you wouldn't be able to stop the airplane in that "remaining" runway. But you would dearly love to have as many feet of altitude as possible in such a loss of power event and keeping the gear down that extra amount of time just hampered your climb performance that much more. So my policy is "positive rate, gear up," as you can accelerate faster to best RoC speed and climb at a better rate ASAP. Get as much altitude as soon as you can.
I thought the purpose for the aftermarket, automatic wastegate was to protect from overboost, allowing you to firewall? Doesn’t seem to be the case in the video?
I own an Arrow II with the venerable NA Lyco IO360, mx costs which I've grown to love. I've been looking into maybe getting into a turbo arrow. What kind of true were you getting at 14K? I heard 10gph mentioned in the video but didn't hear the true airspeed you were getting, only ground speed which is worthless for these comparisons. I do like the 1k+ fpm climb rate all the way to the teens. That is def something I cannot do with the NA Arrow.
Indyfalcon It’s true airspeed is in the 160 to 170 Kt range in the low teens, and fuel flow is around 12-15 gph. If I get a chance I will take it up into the high teens and make a video on oxygen, and include the power settings for you.
MrSixstring2k I honestly don’t know. I just fly them for their respective owners. The best advice about twins is that “two engines don’t double your maintenance, they triple it.”
Daniel Blell -- What a great video!!! I own an Arrow, N32693. I really loved your landing. You were so in the groove. I love your camera setup. Watching the Gear (front) drop was nice, and later i saw the subtle pitch transition as you were in Ground Effect, bleeding off energy. A really great video. Thank you very much. ? You still flying the turbo arrow?
Hello from North Houston and great video! I’m considering purchasing this plane right out of private training. Would you be interested in helping me learn it if I buy? Maybe recommend someone with time on it? I’d like to use it for my instrument rating as well if I get it.
Hi Johnny! I don’t really have the time to take on students right now, and sadly don’t know of any CFIs in the Houston area. The arrow wouldn’t be a bad choice to learn instruments.
Great skills nice plane. How many hours do you have in single and twins and are you a CFI. If not you should be seen quite a few of your flights Many thanks and keep them coming cheers
Daniel , is this too much of an airplane for a 40 hour pilot? I want to continue my training in an IFR certified aircraft. I have decided I want to train in in aircraft I own. All the information that I have seen about the turbo Arrow 3 shows that it fits my mission to a tee. As part of my building up of airtime I will be flying my wife to and from work 3 days a week anywhere from a 70-mile to a 350 mile trip. I live in Alaska so the turbocharged aircraft that can get the flight levels is appealing to me. And the speed compared to a 172 or Warrior is also very appealing to me. Is a turbo Arrow 3 an appropriate/ acceptable cross country / time Builder for a rookie pilot? Thanks for your feedback.
Chuck Bradley Yeah it would be a good choice! One of my friends did his private in a cirrus 22. It was the plane he planned to purchase and fly. While it took longer and his insurance cost was significantly higher, he got more instructional time in the airplane he planned on actually flying after training. By the end of it he was a solid pilot and was very competent in his airplane. The arrow is a great choice for cross country. It is pretty easy to fly too. The only problem you will have is getting taken to the cleaners on insurance as a low time pilot in a high-performance retract. Once you have more time in the plane the cost will come down significantly.
@@danblell yes the insurance rates are astronomical. I was told because of the recent high-profile Max crashes as well as other GA accidents that the rates would be higher regardless. But I was quoted almost $6,500 year for $150,000 airframe and Avionics. Regardless to say that hurts. But your reasoning of training in the airplane You're Going To Fly has made since to me from day one. I have been training in a 172n but that does not fit my mission as well as Arrow 3. Surprising enough the cost of a good 172 is about the same as a good Arrow Turbo.. I think I'm just going to have to bite the bullet for the first 9 months or a year on paying crazy insurance rates until I get in the 100-150hr flight time range. Thanks for the feedback!
Awesome Video Daniel. Really enjoyed it. A few questions. How many HP does this Arrow have? and What power setting do you use for takeoff, climb and cruise with the turbo. Cheers Jack
Jack Ferguson Thank You! This is a 201. It’s been modified with an inter cooler and aftermarket waste gate. Takeoff is 40/26 Climb is 40/25 Cruise i think is around 30/25 The visor on the pilot side has the cruise power settings printed on it - best idea ever imo. Dan
@@danblell 201 just refers to the tapered wing. Turbo Arrow is a 200 hp TSIO-360-FB (typically). There is an STC which modifies the motor to bump HP up to 225. After this this STC is applied the motor designation changes to TSIO-360-FB(c).
@@danblell Right on. I'm out in Utah. I'm looking for a Turbo something with all these mountains and sky-high density altitudes. A turbo equipped aircraft with an Intercooler is on the wishlist but planes already equipped are WAY outside my price range. Great video, though. Would love to see more high altitude ops with this plane!
The owner of the Katmai had a turbo sr22 before that. We flew together a lot in both. They’re vastly different airplanes. Cirrus is fast, high cost and not for off road. 182 (especially the 1970’s ones) are super easy to work on, lift a ton, and great on short or unimproved fields. Just depends on your mission requirements and budget. I’m in the SR22 today on the way home from Wisconsin.
He said, and I paraphrase: "..can't log this, you didn't do anything..." Kind of snide and uncalled for, IMHO. There's confident, then there's a bit of encyclopedic chatter. If "I don't get to "drive" a bit - why am I along for this ride? I remember the PA-28R200 - but not the "T." It is a fast airplane. And, I was pleased the nose gear didn't collapse.
Michael Donavon I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the banter with my brother. He’s a student pilot and I guess the editing took out the parts where I offered him controls and he refused during the flight. FARs only allow logging time for student pilots when they manipulate the controls.
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I love this plane. I been an owner of the same kind of aircraft for 10 years.
PSA from my $.02. The remaining runway criteria for G/A aircraft like this is a little silly and not helpful. The reasoning doesn't work in that even if you had a loss of power you wouldn't be able to stop the airplane in that "remaining" runway. But you would dearly love to have as many feet of altitude as possible in such a loss of power event and keeping the gear down that extra amount of time just hampered your climb performance that much more. So my policy is "positive rate, gear up," as you can accelerate faster to best RoC speed and climb at a better rate ASAP. Get as much altitude as soon as you can.
I thought the purpose for the aftermarket, automatic wastegate was to protect from overboost, allowing you to firewall? Doesn’t seem to be the case in the video?
170 knots dang🙌, you’d think it can do the same with max weight 🤔
The Wyly tower of power! Great aircraft, great video. Keep 'em coming.
I own an Arrow II with the venerable NA Lyco IO360, mx costs which I've grown to love. I've been looking into maybe getting into a turbo arrow. What kind of true were you getting at 14K? I heard 10gph mentioned in the video but didn't hear the true airspeed you were getting, only ground speed which is worthless for these comparisons. I do like the 1k+ fpm climb rate all the way to the teens. That is def something I cannot do with the NA Arrow.
Indyfalcon It’s true airspeed is in the 160 to 170 Kt range in the low teens, and fuel flow is around 12-15 gph. If I get a chance I will take it up into the high teens and make a video on oxygen, and include the power settings for you.
Thanks. What true were you getting in this particular flight (14K altitude?) and what fuel flow?
165 at around 13gph
how much is you MX cost?
Love your videos, how much would you say your mx cost is for the arrow and for the 310?
MrSixstring2k I honestly don’t know. I just fly them for their respective owners. The best advice about twins is that “two engines don’t double your maintenance, they triple it.”
@@danblell wow.. thanks for the reply and keep the videos coming.
Daniel Blell -- What a great video!!!
I own an Arrow, N32693. I really loved your landing. You were so in the groove.
I love your camera setup. Watching the Gear (front) drop was nice, and later i saw the subtle pitch transition as you were in Ground Effect, bleeding off energy.
A really great video. Thank you very much.
? You still flying the turbo arrow?
Thank you for the kind words! I hardly ever fly the arrow any more. Mostly Cessnas now when I’m home from work
Hello from North Houston and great video! I’m considering purchasing this plane right out of private training. Would you be interested in helping me learn it if I buy? Maybe recommend someone with time on it? I’d like to use it for my instrument rating as well if I get it.
Hi Johnny! I don’t really have the time to take on students right now, and sadly don’t know of any CFIs in the Houston area. The arrow wouldn’t be a bad choice to learn instruments.
Great skills nice plane. How many hours do you have in single and twins and are you a CFI. If not you should be seen quite a few of your flights
Many thanks and keep them coming cheers
Paul Taylor thanks! I am a CFI. I have 1400 in singles and around 100 in twins. Just finished training with the regionals
Daniel , is this too much of an airplane for a 40 hour pilot? I want to continue my training in an IFR certified aircraft. I have decided I want to train in in aircraft I own. All the information that I have seen about the turbo Arrow 3 shows that it fits my mission to a tee. As part of my building up of airtime I will be flying my wife to and from work 3 days a week anywhere from a 70-mile to a 350 mile trip. I live in Alaska so the turbocharged aircraft that can get the flight levels is appealing to me. And the speed compared to a 172 or Warrior is also very appealing to me. Is a turbo Arrow 3 an appropriate/ acceptable cross country / time Builder for a rookie pilot? Thanks for your feedback.
Chuck Bradley Yeah it would be a good choice! One of my friends did his private in a cirrus 22. It was the plane he planned to purchase and fly. While it took longer and his insurance cost was significantly higher, he got more instructional time in the airplane he planned on actually flying after training. By the end of it he was a solid pilot and was very competent in his airplane.
The arrow is a great choice for cross country. It is pretty easy to fly too. The only problem you will have is getting taken to the cleaners on insurance as a low time pilot in a high-performance retract. Once you have more time in the plane the cost will come down significantly.
@@danblell yes the insurance rates are astronomical. I was told because of the recent high-profile Max crashes as well as other GA accidents that the rates would be higher regardless. But I was quoted almost $6,500 year for $150,000 airframe and Avionics. Regardless to say that hurts. But your reasoning of training in the airplane You're Going To Fly has made since to me from day one. I have been training in a 172n but that does not fit my mission as well as Arrow 3. Surprising enough the cost of a good 172 is about the same as a good Arrow Turbo.. I think I'm just going to have to bite the bullet for the first 9 months or a year on paying crazy insurance rates until I get in the 100-150hr flight time range. Thanks for the feedback!
Awesome Video Daniel. Really enjoyed it. A few questions. How many HP does this Arrow have? and What power setting do you use for takeoff, climb and cruise with the turbo. Cheers Jack
Jack Ferguson Thank You!
This is a 201. It’s been modified with an inter cooler and aftermarket waste gate.
Takeoff is 40/26
Climb is 40/25
Cruise i think is around 30/25
The visor on the pilot side has the cruise power settings printed on it - best idea ever imo.
Dan
@@danblell 201 just refers to the tapered wing. Turbo Arrow is a 200 hp TSIO-360-FB (typically). There is an STC which modifies the motor to bump HP up to 225. After this this STC is applied the motor designation changes to TSIO-360-FB(c).
Great video! i love the Turbo Arrow III. Where did you get your intercooler? Is it the Turboplus kit?
Thank you! I’m not sure but that name sounds familiar. If you look on the panel, that kit came with the LED readout for ITT
@@danblell Right on. I'm out in Utah. I'm looking for a Turbo something with all these mountains and sky-high density altitudes. A turbo equipped aircraft with an Intercooler is on the wishlist but planes already equipped are WAY outside my price range. Great video, though. Would love to see more high altitude ops with this plane!
Nice video, fast plane.
pslny Oh yeah. Hoping to film some trips in it
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soflaav8r of course!!!
Good. Found your channel by searching for Cessna 182 videos. Hope to be starting to fly one soon for fun.
soflaav8r good luck! If I can give any help or advice, let me know!
Looks like you have some time in an SR-22, how would you compare it to the 182, and which do you prefer?
The owner of the Katmai had a turbo sr22 before that. We flew together a lot in both. They’re vastly different airplanes. Cirrus is fast, high cost and not for off road. 182 (especially the 1970’s ones) are super easy to work on, lift a ton, and great on short or unimproved fields. Just depends on your mission requirements and budget. I’m in the SR22 today on the way home from Wisconsin.
He said, and I paraphrase: "..can't log this, you didn't do anything..." Kind of snide and uncalled for, IMHO. There's confident, then there's a bit of encyclopedic chatter. If "I don't get to "drive" a bit - why am I along for this ride? I remember the PA-28R200 - but not the "T." It is a fast airplane. And, I was pleased the nose gear didn't collapse.
Michael Donavon I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the banter with my brother. He’s a student pilot and I guess the editing took out the parts where I offered him controls and he refused during the flight. FARs only allow logging time for student pilots when they manipulate the controls.