What Stellantis JUST REVEALED SHOCKS Every Dodge, RAM & Jeep Buyer!
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024
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Over the past few years Stellantis brands like RAM, Dodge and Jeep have been totally destroyed by their CEO, Carlos Tavaris.
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I'm not a fan of these brands, but to be fair, the government has forced manufacturers to have high fleet average fuel economy. This is what's behind using small turbocharged engines and hybrids and electric vehicles. Maybe nobody wants to buy them but the government in all its wisdom decides how it's going to be. When the average isn't met the government fines the manufacturer and that cost is passed along to the consumer.
@@needhelp2453 Right. Government needs to stay out of things, the USA is supposed to be a free market economy. My parents own a 2003 Toyota Tacoma, a small pickup like that isn't available anymore because they raised the fuel efficiency standards for those smaller trucks even more than the big ones to the point it simply isn't possible. It's like those in government don't realize that there are laws of physics, particularly the laws of thermodynamics.
And who is approving these mergers and acquisitions? The federal government so often won't allow two American companies to merge, but it is fine to allow an American company to be sold to a foreign concern so it can be looted and destroyed, nothing else explains this drastic increase in prices. Before the merger, a Dodge Ram pickup could be purchased for $30k. No longer.
Ram trucks prices
Mid trim 1500 crew cab 4x4
2019 $38,000 good sales
2020 $40,000 good sales
2021 $58,000 bad sales
2022 $65,000 bad sales
2023 $70,000 no sales
2024 $61,000 bad sales
It doesn't take a rocket scientist!
The product didn't change.
Can’t even blame inflation that much either. Calculated inflation from 2019 to now would only put it around 47k
With rebates you can get a truck at $40k. My 2015 quad cab stickered for $40k 10 years ago, right now you can buy one for under $40k you have to know how to work a deal
@@CS-zz2bfso How do you work a deal on 1500 V8 crew cab 4x4? Lol
Agree for the most part. Ram overpriced their trucks and then abandoned the hemi completely. Dumb move.
@@CS-zz2bf not everybody wants to blow the sales man.....
When I took my Journey 25K with a tick in the engine, the dealer replaced a lifter. 3 weeks later started to tick again. The service advisor said:"If it is the same part we replaced, the warranty will cover it. Otherwise, will be approximately $2800". I walked away. I dismanteled that sucker in my garage. New lifters and rockers later, I trade that garbage for a Toyota RAV4. NEVER AGAIN A DODGE!
Yeah same with my 5.7 Hemi in my Ram. Nice looking truck but the build quality was terrible. The Hemi tick was the straw that I couldn't handle since it started at 20K miles. The new Hemi is 150K engine if you take care of it. My old 5.9 360 in my older Ram was a 300K + engine.
I work there, my next truck is a ford
@@scotts98rt70 Says a lot. I know a guy who is head of the entire used car department at a CDJR dealership and they drive an Escalade lol.
Exactly! Never again. I bought a RAV4 and love every problem free mile.
All those years of being on a first name basis with my Dodge dealer service department are over. 🫂
The dealership really should’ve quoted you for all lifters on that cylinder head in the first place; to avoid comebacks like that.
Their stealership service departments are terrible as well. Took in my Jeep with a bad wheel bearing, descibed it as a "roaring noise increasing with speed, but quieter when turning left" they unplugged my brake switch which kept the brake light on, claimed there was a problem with the brakes but they could fix it for $1500.. I plugged the switch back in and bought a wheel hub from AutoZone, fixed for under $100. Took my Rebel to a different dealer with a bad oil cooler, charged a $250 diagnostic fee to tell me they wanted to throw over $5k parts and labor at it with no root cause identified. I fixed it myself for under $300.
now just jump to Rockauto & save even more.... : )
I did. No more $8.80 Iridium sparkplugs. $3.67per + shipping. Much better.
Jeep and Dodge customer? Lol what a tool.
@josephmorales9321 that means a lot from an Internet troll, lol
Good work! The complexity of newer cars is leading techs to over-think issues and apply what I call "napalm fixes" or "shotgunning parts" in hopes of resolving the root problem.
@@JD.307 Are you one of those guys that beats his head against the wall because it feels so good when you stop?
Unless they drop their prices 40% it want matter
probably closer to 60% is going to be what's needed.
Jeep owners want a damn Jeep.
Not the largest touchscreen in class.
@@thomaslthomas1506 best comment period. i drive a HC charger and jeep wrangler. love my rides, the big screen in the new jeep is not jeep and the new electric charger is a joke.
Imo it's all done on purpose. Trying to get the max b4 combustion engines are phased out completely.
More like 60%
@@thomaslthomas1506 LoL... you took the words right out of my keyboard...
paying $75k for a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon is absolutely insanity ... overpriced junk ...
even worst who would pay $106,000 for a Grand Wagoneer??? NO WAY, insane prices that they market to lead people to believe that they are buying a luxury car when they are not. Talk about trying to dupe the consumers all together.
Rubicon 392(the hemi jeep) starts at 96k
I paid 78k for my Rubicon three years ago….Absolutely awesome vehicle and still is….Superiority vehicle,packed with technology,and I still love it….Want cheap?….Go to Chevy house,get what you paid for….
@@danielmelendez9943the EV Grand Wagoneer is 130,000
55 grand is insanity
I doubt Tavares resigned, I'm thinking he was fired.
given the "opportunity" to step down. Which saves the golden parachute he'll get for doing nothing but damage for 4 years. They've slipped into irrelevance with unit sales down ~ 25%...any new CEO may find that their patient is too weak to survive the transplant needed.
They made him an offer he couldn't refuse. 🐴
They told him to step down, they have had enough and customers too
And I really doubt that Tavares was the only executive or board-member who thought building costly high-margin vehicles that nobody really wants over basic affordable vehicles that customers can afford was the path towards corporate profitability. But the golden parachutes they get are worth falling on their sword for the board's malfeasance.
@@vargasjohnson540 yep! A couple sources say that he was. If I heard correctly he did not agree with the board of directors vision for the company. He didn't want to produce V8 vehicles for the American market. The board of directors disagreed with his vision and I believe they fired him. Don't quote me on this.
I’ve worked for CDJR for the past 11 years. Crazy how much the quality has gone down and prices have gone up.
That Hornet thing isn’t worth anywhere near 50k. That’s a starter car for college kids. Should be 16k with a radio.
Yep
Absolutely
@@MotorFeed They brought back the "Hornet" name...on a Dodge??? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeit! Does it have one of them 3-cylinder motorbike engines with a "turbo", like GM and Ford?
@@GoonSquadLifeMemberyes it does
Quality isn't even worth 16k, a co-worker had one as a rental, interior is the worst thing I've ever seen. I felt like I was going to break its plastic dash just by getting in it.
In the Boise, Idaho area, I know of a long term salesman, with a great reputation of customer service, that quit the dealership after decades of employment. He just could not bear hearing all the complaints from his loyal customers that were having mechanical problems and very poor warranty service.
prices are obscene. quality is in toilet.
if he was a good salesman he wouldn't sold them those shitty car's
@@Bewefau The salesman just like everyone else has no idea how good or bad a new model will do.
@@Bewefau
He did quit so he knew the quality was going down hill fast.
This CEO could care less… He’ll be very happy with his $ 30,000,000 bonus/ severance.
My thoughts exactly. What a scam!
They paid that moron a $40,000,000 sign on bonus, and he drove them into the ground.
He does not deserve it.
I ended up having issues with the Jeep dealership in Springfield missouri. The work was not done under warranty, it was paid for. The part failed under their warranty period so the vehicle went back in to the shop. The vehicle sat over the weekend and got to call Monday morning saying that there was no antifreeze leak. I told the mechanic to pull it back up on the lift and to grab the supervisor. By the time the jeep was up in the air I asked him what was that dripping from the front of the motor. They said the leak was coming from somewhere else and not their water pump so I took it to another shop that verified that it was the water pump and replaced it. I took the work order back to the Jeep dealership. They paid very reluctantly paid me for the work done.
Dealer service centers are the worst.
Well done sir!
He didn't resign he was fired immediately.
The paint bubbling on the hinges wont be fixed with new paint. Took the Jeep down to the local dealership close to me and was told right away by the body tech (smart guy) that the issue is not in the paint.. its the metal under the paint. For the longest time they were repairing the bubbles and raised paint by repainting them, just to have the problem come back. He said that it had to do with the way the metal was treated on certain runs of Jeeps and the whole panel has to be replaced. Problem is.. now there was a wait list for everyone to get their doors replaced with supply chain issues, so I had to wait about a year to get my doors. Luckily when they did get them the dealership had it finished within a week with new panels and new paint. Soooo yeah, if you fall within this group who has the issue, dont think that new paint will fix it.
A friend of mine had a Jeep and it had paint issues.
She traded it in for something else.
your new doors will do the same thing, in the exact same amount of time or less.
Even Mercedes and BMW is now garbage, this is what they teach in business school… cut your cost and keep cutting your cost and then cut it some more and charge more for that piece of crap that you just made or else you’re gonna get fired
You said it western society is doing great. 🎉
they always been garbage lol that's why ppl don't fix them just junk them.
@ we keep going because anything is better than living in China or Russia
BMW and Mercedes has been crap since 2006 and 1998 respectively
This isn't just happening in the auto industry. I mean look at kitchen appliances. In the 80s they would last 20 years. Now you are lucky if they last 7. They want us to be disposable consumers. Even for high priced descretionary items. Even computers that used to be upgradable like with ram or a new chip or a new hard dive now are not upgradable. It's garbage and our Govt lets it conintue. I do know one way for all these buisnesses to do better.... we just stop buying their junk.
I feel better now having paid $50k for my 21' 4Runner.
And I have to remind myself to wash and polish my fully paid 14' FJ Cruiser.
I offer my condolences to any future Dodge owners.
I can't believe you just admitted to owning an FJ Loser. LMAO
@@red5standingby419 I love my FJ! I can't imagine anyone admitting to loving over priced Jeep$ and Ram$!
You have a great day with that 10% auto loan on your soon to be broken Stellantis junk.
Hey don't rub in in I've got a few years left on my truck but it's not a bad payment I didn't buy a dodge have a guess it has a V8 😂😂😂 .
@@breeze787 LOL. I don't buy RAM or Jeep either genius. Nor do I pay 10% auto loans. Keep deflecting from the fact that you were one of the dozens of blind morons who actually bought an FJ Loser. They saw you coming a mile away on that deal. Enjoy the Toyota cult!
There’s actually a TSB for the wrangler hinge corrosion issue.
The corrosion is caused by a steel hinge on an aluminum door. Dissimilar metals.
The TSB is installing a zinc plate that you can get from the dealership, between the hinge and door.
You'd think that service dept would know that and would have informed him that there is a known fix for the issue.
Car manufacturers are screwing techs so bad on warranty times and there's such a shortage of qualified techs in the first place this story is at a lot of dealers. If people think they are going to drop in any dealer and find good customer service in a reasonable amount of time they are in for a surprise. Most dealer turnover rates are pretty high epically among the hardworking and talented employees.
Once upon a time the best techs were at the dealerships. But not anymore. 🙁
My son was a RAM diesel, Jeep, Chrysler tech for over 10 years. He recently quit the dealership in FL where he worked for about 3 years cause of getting so screwed on the warranty crap. He was making less money as time went on. He quit and went to a private diesel shop where he is happy and making more money. He says he will never work at a dealership again. And OMG don’t even mention EVs to him or getting rid of the V8 HEMIs.
Just paid almost$ 7.000 for a 05 tundra that will outlast all that crap!!!!
🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
Yes because you don’t use those pieces of shit to do real work. I’m a mechanic at the local Toyota dealer and we are having tons of problems with that new twin turbo junk motor. We have 4 in here right now that we have to change the motor out and Toyota is treating these customers like shit because they don’t want to admit that it’s a quality issue
@@MikeBlack-f1f it's a older model Toyota not the new garbage ones duh
@ keep it because the new ones suck. That 5.7 will run forever if taking care of. But get real you are not hauling big loads with that truck.
Unless JEEP comes back with a sub 30k base Wrangler or a 2-3500 Cummins base WT they are doomed
You’d be surprised how many people are still buying even with the ridiculous prices
Dumb people will still finance, debt slaves
They need to improve quality in alot of areas and come down with the prises, I always liked Jeep I owned a 99 grand cherokee with the 4.0 straight 6 awesome engine and tranns
@@maxcarpenter4582that’s the real problem these days. People willing to pay exorbitant prices inflate the costs because the company knows someone will pay it.
What are you guys talking about? A new Chevy 2500 Diesel is $95,000. This guy is also saying the Jeep Wagoneer is out to lunch but a Lincoln Navigator starts at $110,000.
I'll keep fixing my 2004 Sierra. These people are nuts!
Damn right!
I drive an 06 Camry. Cheap to repair
Gm 99-07 is best truck platform ever made
I have a 2001 Lincoln Town Car, 200,000 miles. Very little problems. At 100,000 miles replaced all 4 brake rotors and brake pads, at 200,000 had transmission rebuilt replaced the Torque converter. 170,000 miles replaced the A/C compressor. It's a great Car affordable to repair, and comfortable.
I have a 04 silverado with 368k and a 06 tahoe with 420k
The injectors for the hellcat used to be made in Virginia. That plant has now shut down and production moved to India, so good luck getting a hellcat with decent injectors put in it.
2011 Sport Wrangler was 28K....you would think maybe 40K max would be ok for the 2025. 57K is crazy
Yup, that's what I drive bought it new, it was loaded, has 310KM on it now and it's been a very good vehicle that I've worked hard. I was hoping to buy a new one, but not until this mess is cleaned up.
Even 40k is nuts for a wrangler
@@wkw4095 I'm sorry, but a jeep wrangler should never be over around 30k. Not that I would ever buy one.
What u talking bout, Willis???
Yes.His name was John Willys (prounonced Willis) not pronounced 'Willees.'
Not resigned... FIRED! That's what happens when you run a multi-billion dollar company into the ground in a matter of a couple of years. Board of directors straight canned his ass!
Whoa! $50,000 for that pile of sht?!?! 😳
What are they smoking?
@@marcodarko6941 yep exactly! I left in the comments here that I would buy one as a knockaround car between $25,000-$30,000 Wouldn't be buying it as a sports car just be buying it more as a commuter car. To me that's all it's worth. If they've got thousands of these around the country if they want to get rid of them that's what I'll pay. If they were to sell them for around $30,000 they would get rid of them. Some people wouldn't care they would just want a car to get from point A to point b.
Even $30k seems a bit steep.
I did finally get to see one out in the wild. I had never seen one up close like in a walk around sense, looking at it but one was next to me in traffic and it looked so chintzy and cheap that to me, it made some Hyundai/Kia SUV's seem robust. @westcoastronnieOC714
Ridiculous. yt found it necessary to delete my reply so I'll try again.
Even $30k seems a bit steep. I did actually see one of those out in the wild a few weeks ago.. now I never did a walk around and looked at one up close, this one was next to me in traffic.
And for context I am in a Highlander a mid size SUZ and it felt like I was in a full size SUV sitting next to a Yugo. They are so chintzy and cheap looking in my opinion that they appear to make a small Hyundai/Kia SUV seem robust in comparison.
@westcoastronnieOC714
edit: Now yt I ask.. what warranted my first reply worthy of censorship and deletion.
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How about that..
They are smoking WOKE.
Like many others you don't even know own what woke means.
The more basic the vehicle is it's actually going to be slightly more reliable. Less bells and whistles in a car the less strain on the computer modules. Easier to diagnose when something goes wrong. And my guess as far as the bubbling around the hinges, I think that's rust that's building up underneath the paint. Somehow you got water intrusion in those areas. I would take it to an auto body shop and let them give you their opinion don't take it to the dealership until you get an opinion first before taking it there. Because most likely is that they're just going to sand that area down and cover it up and you're going to have the same issue happen again. But if it is water intrusion it's just going to come back again. Also call stellantis and tell them what your experience was at the dealership and maybe they can find another dealership and contact them with your problem so when you go there they already know what's up.
I agree - water and rust under the paint.
Your not being realistic about "more basic". Reliability can be built in, the OEMs chose not to. The reason computer chips are involved is because they do a far better job.
Will be happy to buy a 2025 Ram 3500 dually as soon as the cut the msrp by about 35-40%.
A new Chevy 2500 Diesel is $95,000, Ford F250 Diesel start around $97,000. This guy makes it seem like Dodge is out to lunch but can get a Ram 2500 Diesel for $90,000.
Corporate greed and poor quality is what is killing the company
*the country.
And the dumb people that finance
And high taxes from the Federal government.
@@bri-manhunter2654 Well... objectively our current corporate tax rates are the lowest since the days of the gilded age Robber Barons, before FDRs New Deal..... and still they offshore.
@. Agreed, corporate greed is bad and still needs to be heavily addressed.
Let's jack up the prices on all of our vehicles, axe quality control and ruin/discontinue every vehicle and trim package that people actually want. Wait, why are we losing money and sales?
Im so happy I paid off my 2019 Ram Rebel a couple years ago. I have no intention to trade in for a new truck with prices like these.
I put 130000 on my Ram in 10 years…I can easily make it another 10…So I’m out of the market too….Ill put my cash into maintenance
Imagine a life where you become a CEO, make millions upon millions of dollars, tank the company and then ride off into the sunset with a lifetime supply of funds…SIGN ME UP!
Me too 😂 1 year 15 million just to act like I know something and fire me. 15 million could last me and my children a lifetime properly invested lol
We had the same problem with our 2019 Rubicon (but more extensive), also around 6 months before the warranty expired. We dogged them constantly until they took it in four months later. My wife also stayed on them and made them give us a signed letter that if it went past the warranty end date, they would still cover it. Then they took 5 months fixing the paint a little piece at a time.
Side note: 3.6L pentastar engine in my 2019 Grand Cherokee oil cooler is in the valley of the engine have to remove two intakes to change. The cooler is guess Plastic! it warps then splits leaking coolant. There are after market replacements heavy aluminum for about $160, I just did it two weeks ago it took about 4 hours.
That’s crazy! Why would they do that?!?
I replaced mine w a dorman aluminum oil filter/ cooler about 15k ago. I hate the smell of coolant and oil burning. Its back and i need to go in and retighten mounting bolts before replacing. 135k miles
knowing how deeply buried that unit is? Its mad of polymer and its thought out to be returned to dealer for service, Thats why there is youtube and if you have a mechanical inclination then you got this beat, Good day!
@@Rollin.the.Wild.West.c14 make sure you retorque very bolt, while ya in there change plugs and if you can injectors and coil packs. So you know what a pan in the neck its is, good luck
@ did all that on the first cooler,
I want my 1979 Slant 6 pickup back. Best vehicle I ever owned! Wicked reliable, tons of torque if not a ton of horsepower, great sound, and cool looking. I loved that the fuse panel was on the dash and not UNDER it, too! Had over 500 K miles and ran like a fine watch. Had to adjust the valves once. .010” on intake, .020 on exhaust and it stopped misfiring intermittently due to insufficient valve clearance! I always loved Mopars, and the “leaning tower of power” as we called the slant 6. Hands down the best 4 stroke automobile engine in history, just as the GM 2 stroke Detroit diesels were the greatest diesels in world history! 😋 They are ingrained into my very being and I love them more than life itself! Best sounding diesels ever, as well! Merry Christmas all!! 😋😋😋😊
bought a Ram 4x4 in 99. paid 18.500 out the door. put almost 400 thousand . still running strong.
I am a Mopar guy, through and through, first car, 73 Cuda, second car- 66 Charger, first new car-89 Dakota, owned 4 Grand Cherokees, current tow vehicle- 2015 Ram reg cab short box. Will I ever buy another Mopar? Only if it’s from the 60’s or 70’s. Totally disillusioned with newer products and prices. Still think they make the best looking vehicles on the road, but lack of quality and reliability are huge concerns. Our 2 daily drivers are Honda CRV’s, and we are looking at replacing the 08 with 500,000 kms with the best CRV we can find from that generation of CRV.
Jeep fan boy from the 60’s and 70’s here. Drove the Commanding Officer around on a 3 speed M38A1 Jeep (CJ3ish) in the Middle East back in 1978. Came home from deployment and started saving for. 1980 CJ5 plain vanilla 5 speed manual. Finished undergrad and began my high school teaching career with a Jeep Cherokee classic. After 2 years, I needed a new radiator and starter, I began moving to the RAV4 world and never looked back. All my off road needs were sorted out with 5 Tacoma trucks over 30 plus years.
I still have my CJ5 belt buckle, and that’s the only Jeep memory I still hold on to in my retirement years!
Oh BTW, my 1980 CJ5 ran me $9000 CDN soft top, solid tailgate but bombproof drive train.
Peace Be The Journey!
They will never lower the price. They would throw the trucks in a volcano before they lower the price. 2025…. 122000 for a ram 1500
Puff puff, pass💯🤡🌈🌎😆🤮🤪🐀🪳
As someone who works for the body shop fixing the corrosion, it comes from the hinges. The hinges are from a bad batch of aluminum in Mexico and if you grind those and repaint them, it will come back. We change the hinges to the new ones (new ones don't have that problem) and then repaint the hinges and grind down the corrosion transferred to the panels and then repaint your panels. FIAT doesn't pay to blend adjacent panels so there's always a colour mismatch.
Panels affected;
Hood, fenders, doors, trunk door
If you want it done properly, it's practically an entire paint job on the car.
They tried refusing my sister a warranty on fuel system issues with her Wagoneer because she lives on gravel.
The scenario that you just described with your jeep dealer is the exact same treatment. I got from a GMC Cadillac dealer in Illinois and that’s exactly why I bought a Mazda and I’m very very happy with my Mazda CX five.
Prices will have to be revamped, dealer network will have to be reduced, yes some brands will have to de eliminated, gone and removed ASAP. Customer service, warranty and dealer network will have to improve key metrics to continue staying afloat. I ano teven talking staying in business as a lead competitor, and if they can manage to do that in under 18 months there is some hope for them. Otherwise, they will be gone off the map and I have to be honest nobody will miss them cause we still got the other guys. Guest what , this will also be a complete wake up call to Cadillac, GMC, Ford, Buick, Lincoln and the rest of the American cars that do not represent quality or value in America.
They won’t learn…they’ll double down because they feel like one less competitor so we need to catch all those high paying customers…problem is they’ve got no customers BECAUSE of the stupid high prices
The auto industry thinks they are too big to fail and that the govt is just going to come in and bail them out again. Just like they did during the GFC. But this time the Govt is stupid broke I think there will only be a few of the autos left after we get through what comes next.
well dodge isnt american anymore so whatever, hasnt been since stellantis took over
@@geraldthompson4633 they'll will double down and get gov't bail outs
@ technically since Fiat…
In 2018 a drunk total my car in the parking lot. I got a new one with 2.7% interest rate. I made my final payment two years ago. Thank you Mr drunk driver.
The Willys editions come with back lockers now, and a bunch of other extras. Much more of an upgrade over the Sport than previous years.
The Willys came with a rear locker the year it wss introduced. Of course the package was 2 door only. Had they decontented it in recent years?
@@gk5891 Yes it had a limited slip diff last few years and now a locker along with upgraded axles.
I'm a CEO so I know how to fix Stellantis. It was high msrps that got them into this mess and its higher msrps that will get them out of this mess. Its so simple even a blue collar worker could figure it out. JUST RAISE MSRPS ACROSS THE BOARD BY 40%! DUH! Oh yeah and give the top employees double salary and double bonuses for all the good decisions and hard work they have done to turn this company around, oh and lay of 20% of the workers, and reduce workers benefits by 20%, and reduce worker's pay by 20%. THERE FIXED IT! See it takes a CEO to understand what causes problems in a company and only a CEO can fix it. You're welcome Stellantis
The new 3 liter hurricane engine doesn't come with a dipstick. Probably a dealbreaker for many buyers.Costumers will receice more phantom oilchanges,and engines wont last.
It was for me and it seemed kind of half behind for it not to have dual fuel injection(both port and direct injection) like so many of the other engines out there.
@@BamaTidefan1967 Yes, you need your engine decarbonized,another extra maintenance,probably will not performed properly.
I went in for a transmission out of my pocket billed at about $2,000. Those jack wagons stood me try to sale me a car I towed there and about two weeks later they said they could not fix it. Towed it to another shop not a dealer found my own transmission rolling smooth since. It is not the whole dealership. I can live without my local dealer fixing my car. Parts Dept is great. Video on point.
Wait until the tariffs kick in… and it’s not just this brand…Brace yourself
I worked for a dealership in past, one thing I learned was that bad management could drive even a great dealership to bankruptcy in less than a year!
It wasnt long ago that the Willys was $35,000 out the door and now its $55,000 ?????
I had a rust issue with my Honda Fit, the dealer told me a similar story, tried to pass it off as normal wear. I got into my owners manual and found a zone representative and got the vehicle repaired.
35k reliable jeeps. And 40k max work trucks .
Sadly this is not achievable for this brand. Close the company and come back in 5 years
When I was a kid my dad bought a used 1979 ford f100 ? It had a streight 6 in it, was a 5 speed manual… and had a wood box on it…
He paid $400 for it, and drove it to work ( 60 mile round trip ) daily for 10 years..
it’s also what I learned to drive with (I’m 43 now ) dad used the hell out of that truck! We hauled wood, used it to move people. It kept running and running…
After 10 years he sold it for $300 😂
Nothing major ever went wrong with the engine.. and only basic other fixes to the chassis.
Dad was in the auto industry…
We both talk now about how horrible the new bloated out trucks and suv are 😞
What a sad sad state cars and the industry has become!
i really love my $38K 2023 jeep compass latitude, just wish it wasn't so expensive and i also wish it had a low range transfer case a 6 inch lift and 37s with front and rear lockers
38k is expensive?
If Stellantis wants to keep selling vehicles, they'll drop MSRP by 50%+ on all models, fix the manufacturing issues and crappy parts, and train their technicians to do better work.
That company is absolutely terrible.
In California you can routinely get a new 2024 RAM 1500 for over 10,000 off MSRP. A quick search found me a bunch of tradesman trucks, all 4x4s, even a 2500 Crew cab ALL under 45K and most of the basic Tradesman trucks were under 40K and all with the Hemi...I only searched 4x4 and Hemi trucks under 45K and within a 500 mile radius of my location in Southern California I found 117 2024s. That 2500 Tradesman Crew cab 4x4 V8 was MSRP at $68K and is being sold for $44.9K. So, only looking at the MSRP is misleading as to what you will actually pay. I agree that the MSRPs were crazy and are but they don't reflect the drive away price.
Last Feb I bought a NEW unsold 2022 RAM 1500 Classic Warlock quad cab, 6'4 bed, 4x4 with the odd configuration of having the equivalent of the Bighorn package that got me towing, navi, upgraded interior, power folding mirrors, spray in bed liner, side steps, tow hooks and fog lights for $32,900. MSRP was $54K so thats, uh, quite a deal. Don't fret over MSRP right now.
Those seem to be internet prices or “get you there” prices. Been to two dealers trying to get a truck and they either “just sold it” or is a special price for “military firefighters who just graduated college and is expecting a child with over 70yrs of age” deals.
How is your 1500 holding up? I'm looking at 1500 vs F150 now
This is my 4th 1500, first was a 1995 slt 4x4 with the 360 5.9 magnum and the one before this one was a 2017 bighorn crew cab long bed hemi 4x4. I think the reliability of the hemi or 3.6 pentastar is better than any Ford turbo. If you got an F150 I'd definitely go with the v8. I think you can get a really good deal on a 2023 RAM if you can find one which shouldn't be too hard, I've always been happy with my RAMs, I've never had any huge maintenance issue or breakdown. I did have a couple recalls on the 2017 that were taken care of. I find them more comfortable and refined inside and out. I also had a 2003 Toyota tundra which I loved but ended up getting very rusty underneath at 100,000 miles and did have some quirky problems, I wouldn't touch a new tundra if it was half price.
@@ak1ranger Thank you so much for all of the insight!
Just watch how fast fiat rams rust out-has to tell you something
I have an uncle that had a new 2024 rubicon, it was in the shop 7 times because the 4 wheel drive kept disengaging, the dealer couldn’t figure it out so he traded it for a new f150
3:52 what chu talking about? 😂
Lol.
He owns a jeep he knows his stuff
Brother it’s pronounced Willies
If you own a Stellantis vehicle, you cant access the OBD system on your own vehicle. Only the dealer and a professional shop that pays a fee.
F that!!
Actually, around 2018, all brands made it official. I bought a 2013 Cooper for my kid ... I need a freaking specialized computer to replace the battery!
@@Meche697 lol
Sold my 2018 charger sxt because it was making lifter noise and a weird trans issue. Impeccably maintained. Door panels peeling back and paint flaking off the pillars. Didn't want an $8k repair bill. Beautiful car, drove great 30mpg highway. Just under 80k miles. Replaced it with a Camry. not buying American made until they figure it out.
Chrysler is just junk anyways. I don’t know why anyone would pay 118k for a Jeep
I don't know why anyone would pay 100k for anything. That is how people are poor.... and yet they wonder why. It's crazy to me. A car just gets you from point a to point b... there are much better things to spend money on...
Chrysler: 1 minivan
Dodge: 2 sedans, 1 small suv, 1 midsized suv
Ram: pickup trucks and full size cargo van
Jeep: Jeep variations, small pickup, super luxury large SUV
That's the entire line up for the complete company... 10 vehicles!!!
If they were smart, they would let the great grandson buy the brand and bring it back home!!!
Dream Dream Dream 💭
If one day McDonald’s become a healthy fast food / restaurant
Jeep and dodge car/truck will be a lot better and cheaper 😅
Last dodge I had was an 82 caravan. Nice but the mount for the idler pulley was drilled wrong so it ate serpentine belts. The fix was “free” oil changes every 3000 miles. They changed the belt everytime to avoid a new block. Traded for Toyota. Wife told me she would kick my ass if I ever looked at dodge again.
Crap quality and a misguided CEO have destroyed the company. Prices are terrible.
He was pushing Biden's agenda with the electric BS. Trump hopefully we bring down oil prices.
I work for a CDJR dealership. Stellantis has created a crisis for their dealers with this inventory debacle. It's complicated, but to keep it simple, if you're not selling new cars, you're not taking in good used car trades. So not only are dealers struggling to move new cars, we're having trouble acquiring used car inventory. If we're not selling cars, well, it won't be long before these dealers start either dropping their franchises or sellout/go out of business.
I love listening to regretful Jeep owners complain. Had a lady who lost compression in her Rubicon's 6th cylinder at 120k miles and had to junk it. Buy a Jeep and you get what you pay for.
Why would you love that?
She got 120k miles, which is not bad for Jeep
@@dwang552 The old Cherokees would get 300k with no problem.
The deposit for the cyber truck was 1k 30k price when they arrived now 100k
It’s the biggest con
STOP BUYING ANY NEW CARS FIX A HIGH MILE TRUCK OR CAR
I feel like every brand is overpriced now.
Have a Nephew driving a Grand Wagoneer loaner from the dealership for 7 weeks. His brand new 2023 GW started having electrical problems at 14,000 miles. Should be an easy fix but the unit will sit there until his loaner breaks down. Seriously spoken by the service writer.
I just dumped my 22 Gladiator 5 days ago! Engine was beginning death throes at 24,500 miles! I’m never ever going to buy another Jeep. I fell for the hype and now I’m gonna buy something used with cash! Sorry Stelantis, never again. Dropping the Hellcat was friggen stupid!!
Blame the environmentalists for the smaller engines.
I'll just keep my '01 Suburban 1500 with 232,000 miles going. It just handled an 1,816 mile round trip to Virginia with no issues.
It's not a Willis dude, it's a Willy's
Whatchu talkin' bout Willis? 😂 😊
I was thinking the same. Am I pronouncing it wrong. I thought is was will-eee-s
@@wkw4095John Willys pronounced his name Willis. Some stories say he answered to both because people always said his name wrong. So it is actually Willis
I have 3 Ram 3500 6.7 diesels stuck at my shop. All are actually still under warranty, all are stuck in limp mode from the DPF system failing. Can’t get parts😂😂😂… customers brought them to us because the dealer told them they will call them when they get parts… really great job Stellantis.
A lot of newer semi trucks are sitting on the edge of the road because of plugged DPF systems. Emissions systems are killing these vehicles and the parts and labor charged to fix them is insane.
The Dodge Hornet is a cute vehicle at $18,500 at best. Dodge, jeep and Chrysler all have high depreciation, very unreliable and are all overpriced junk. The grand wagoneer that recently went viral and stalled with just 44 mi due to electrical issues.
I was a Chrysler/plymouth/dodge dealer tech back in the 90's,, customers were happy with thier vehicles......they were repairable also...its so sad to see the quagmire that is the industry today.
Dealers suck. They all suck. The worst ones are the big chains. All the ones in my area are part of huge dealership chain. They are all useless.
My 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie Hemi I paid 42k used with 12 k on the odometer. I brought my truck pre COVID and Biden in 2019. The truck is great no problems knock on wood. It seems after 2020 the quality of cars sucks. I also own a 2012 Challenger Redline. I brought it new for 25k, and my wife's 2014 300S AWD we brought back in 2016 for 31k. We still have these vehicles and they still run great. Its ashame these models cost nearly doubled. If we buy a new car its going to be Toyota or Honda.
Changes nothing save getting everyone excited. Mericans still have no $$$… they can’t drop prices. Last one out of the plants… turn out the lights.
Willis? WTF.
Just checking if people are paying attention. Lol.
My 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins with Snow Chief package was $46k brand new. The Ram brand was always an American made affordable truck, they need to return to their customer base and stop trying to be the Cadillac of pickups. People don’t need a dashboard covered in computer screens and car suspensions that cost a fortune. We want a truck and it needs AC, a good stereo, good engines, good performance towing and doing truck stuff and high durability with easy servicability. That’s it.
Where's your seeester?
1,200 miles away.
I do like my 2017 ram1500, but since I've had it, it's gone through 2 ac compressor's due to a faulty wiring harness. A bad fuel pump, replaced my exhaust manifolds with bbk shortys, and now at 150k miles one of my lifters gave out. Yay ram life....but it's paid for and I have no plans on any new vehicle.
Have seen a couple of new Rangeler models with brite orange door hinges >> JUST A HORRIBLE LOOK !!!!
These prices are ridiculous!
However, it really is industry-wide.
I recently took a walk passed a Ford dealer, by chance, and encountered a streetside display of a new Bronco.
Let me just write that for the money, personally, I'd expect to receive a Porche equipped with a turbo...
It was most definitely strapped with a sticker that boasted SIX-figures!!!
Jeeps are ranch vehicles not meant to be on the highway. Unless you paid $15,000 for your new wrangler, you overpaid.
Junk
Jeeps are not the same, just junk these days. If the windshield doesn't fold down, skip it
Tell me you haven't sat in a new one without telling me.
You cant buy an ATV for $15k😅
@@signkutter9218 A decent motorcycle is going to cost around $15k.
It’s like someone asked “how can I destroy a car company without making it look purposeful” and then just did that.
The big problem remains the epa and California
Gavin Newsome is problematic in CA
Hahahah CA is the 5th largest GDP in the world. Careful.
@@bpb5541 The GDP is total revenue, so you could have literally no product output ( similar to a 3rd world country) just retail purchases and the GDP would appear large
Live here so I know the game. Also know that the war on diesel people are the problem.
@ I hear you... I am an America. We are going into a stagflationary event... where prices continue to rise but productivity (goods and services) are declining. The printing of money has covered up the real truth. And I am an electrical engineer. I totally understand that EVs, everything said and done are worse for the environment than a diesel vehicle. Fokls don't research, read, or do math anymore. They just believe what they hear on some media channel or some social network feed. And when it unwinds and these bubble pop people are going to be in serious trouble. Best of luck.
Been a Ram guy all my long life. This is the first video that absolutely convinced me to finally leave them. Thanks!
It's pronounced Willy's not Willis
Yup, and there is a g in Cummins. And a gyro is pronounced with a g.
I just learned it’s actually pronounced “Willis”.
Willy Nelson said it best: Don’t touch my Willy’s
WRONG!
You are incorrect. It is actually pronounced “Willis”.
I'm glad that you pointed that out about the major rusting issues, with the Jeep Wranglers and Rubicons !! Because more people need to talk about major problem as well !! Because Stellantis needs to have a recall about that problem !!! 😡😡😤😤🤦♂️🤦♂️
The new CEO should just withdraw Alfa Romeo brand from the domestic market, shutter Dodge, Chrysler and Ram, and merge those brands with Jeep.
I have 3 Jeeps. A 2006 3.7 Commander that has been bulletproof. Steady maintenance and never a major issue. Gettin rust now but it’s almost 20 years old. A 2019 Rubicon w the 4cyl turbo. Great so far but notice some bubbling too and is very loud for a 4cyl. Only 25k on it so far. A ‘21 Grand Cherokee SR v8 that I ordered and waited 6 mo for. Every single option and was pricey, but was my retirement present from the USAF. Definite quality issues however. Paint is less and 1/2 the thickness of my Commander. Software glitches galore and glass that 3x has broken with nothing hitting it. The second time I submitted 8 hours of video showing how nothing even came close to it because they claimed I did “something” to make that happen. Can see it shatter at the 5hr mark. Now have a crack BETWEEN the layers on the windscreen. Can only see it when passing under street lights or sun but is growing about 1/2” every month.
Definitely quality issues.
A Rubicon is worth 25K at most
They should shed the stelantis funk by making an American version of the hilux. A cheap bulletproof reliable every man pickup. Get some brand equity back through rebuilding your reputation.
Ram classic with a 392? Would be awesome, or maybe they'll finally release a Power Wagon with their diesel and Allison transmission. Bring back Neon with SRT4.
I think in 2023 they released a Cummins power wagon!
I drove a Grand Wagoneer yesterday for my work and they drive and feel like a $50k SUV not a $110k one. The warranty doesn't expire because you notified them of the damage during the warranty.
You can't even pronounce "Willys". Go into the dealership and say "I'm not buying unless you take 10K off the top.". Wait for them to come around. They will because they have 100s of overpriced vehicles they can't get rid of.
Stellantis needs to sell the brand back to someone who loves cars and the automobile. I have a 2017 Ram 3500 Mega Cab and I love it! BUT, I have had 13 recalls, the front end refuses to stay aligned and it eats front tires. I used to have the Ram dealer do my service. In 2017-18 it wasn't so bad. These days geez! My center brake light on the cab went out. The truck was in for a recall and I asked if they could put a bulb in while it was there. $175 is what they wanted. I spent $5 for two LED bulbs and changed it myself in 5 minutes. The drivers side window was broken during a break in. Truck was at the dealer again for a recall so I asked for a price to replace the window. $1,250 and it would take 3 weeks to get the glass. I called a local mobile glass company and they went to the dealership and installed a Mopar glass for $250 that same day!!!
This is what happens when the government tells the manufacturers what to produce! 👏👏 who the fu/k is going to Dodge and thinking I want an electric Charger! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Corporate greed is the problem in America.