That is as stupid as having a computer to control everything on a car, Cooling fan goes out, nothing wrong with fan. No signal coming out of Engine computer to turn on fan, instead of needing $5 relay you need a new $798 computer. How stupid of auto manufactures. You don't need a computer to work a light bulb.
Sounds like the same as with every Auto made. Nobody wants to bust their Knuckles on the Packed in nonsense they have under the hood now. We don't have enough mechanics that really understand the reasoning behind our engine bays these days. Government wants you to buy a new one every time.
@@MotorFeed do you know of any that will gladly hand you over the software and source codes to modify? Everybody picks on JDand they deserve it, but others arent better. Go ask your car dealer for the same thing, you'll get the same answer as with JD
YES!!! What this man said right here! Stop buying products from businesses that hate you... Buy their old products from when you could repair them yourself and keep them running for decades. I only drive old vehicles and half the parts I use to repair them, I have made myself... If there are entrepreneurs out there, start a new business and start building good equipment again...
Farmers would buy a JD scan tool if they sold one, just like I know business owners with Snap On scanners. Source code isn’t what we’re asking for. We’re asking for a tractor that doesn’t go into hard limp mode with zero way to diagnose ourselves. We’re asking for tractors that don’t require dealer proprietary software to reflash after part changes needlessly. John Deere is locked down harder than new BMW’s when it comes to repair.
This is corporate america. American institutions mean nothing, what matters is the shareholders aren’t happy and the CEO is making 25,000,000 a year. That’s what matters.
That's the truth about CEO pay. They're basic pay is likely lower but they set up easily reached goals for the bonuses which can easily go into eight figures.
we have a saying in Germany: the first generation builds it, the second generation maintain and improves it and the third generation destroys it way to go john deere
It's not just in production either... Philip of Macedon built the basis of a powerful army... His son, Alexander did some amazing things with the said army... HIS son... anybody no the name? I sure as heck don't! There are numerous other examples throughout history... David of Israel, his son Solomon & their successor (if you're a biblical scholar you MIGHT know his name)
Here in the US, our whole national culture follows that rule; The greatest generation The silent generation The baby boomers I suppose it could also be argued it goes the greatest generation, baby boomers, then millennials. In that case though, I would stand in favor with the millennials, as the culture the boomers were maintaining may not have destroyed them, though at the cost of every successive generation after. (And sorry for being that American making everything about us. I think I just woke up a little jaded today, lol)
My father was a manager at Lanz Tractors in Mannheim in the early 1960 s, when John Deer bought the factory. He left shortly afterward because he did not get along with John Deer management. Christof in Toronto
Many farmers are already in a deep existing business relation with John Deere, have chosen the products they own for a reason. Changing brands would exceed their financial means and what are they going to do with their existing machinery while switching? Farmers would prefer to rather fix the issues they're having with John Deere.
@@ralfbaechle you say that like the farmers have to scrap or sell anything they own that John dear makes. That's not the case, chances are the farmers will just buy a different brand when the cost to repair exceeds the cost of replacement. A brand that doesn't constantly Retroactively Amend Purchase Experiences their customers if any still exist.
I run a cattle ranch. Honestly I was done with JD 20 years ago when I started to realize that if they couldn't sell you the top of the line computer on four wheels they didn't want your business.all of this "right to repair" stuff only reassures me that I was right.
@@LegendStormcrow You know who else is tired of this? IT professionals. It's not how we believe customers should be treated. I'm one of the original AGILE software engineers, which is the #1 philosophy about how software and hardware should be treated. The emphasis is on the end-user, which is the folks who buy and use the product. It's clear that John Deere's C-Suite slept through business school or they wouldn't be pissing off their most valuable customers!
Isn't that ironic, when you as an individual invest in a stock all you care about is the stock growing. Meanwhile this is how they grow, by screwing over consumers.
As a large arable UK farmer who first had many JD tractors back in the early 1970s, we used to be happy until about 10 years ago, then we found that the usual JD product reliability and repair costs with 7,000 series tractors was unusually poor. The same happened then started with the 6,000 series tractors. We came to realise JD was no longer as reliable to justify a premium price tag. They either took less care in design or designed down to a build price, or both! To add insult to injury, we found that when we came to trade in for new that the poor reliability had hit second hand demand and values. JD would not give a back up guarantee for their biggest 9620T if it broke down. We said back your product or we walk, but JD didn't care or budge. We looked at Fendt and found them similar price but that a 240hp Fendt used £10,000 less fuel than a JD over 5 years, and that was when diesel was 60% of todays prices, held its resale value and was more reliable. We changed the whole JD fleet to Fendt and have never looked back! This is how easy it is for a few greedy top executives to ruin a top products reputation in a few short years of taking their customers for granted.
But Fendt was a German company, so a no-go for the patriotic American... But 1997, they were sold to the American AGCO. So I guess, they're now more American than a Mexico-based John Deere...
You nailed it. Greedy top executives get their huge bonuses and then move on to another company before the damage they have done causes the first company to implode when its customers get tired of being shafted. A classic American story.
Same with lawn tractors and riding lawnmowers here in the U.S. All of a sudden, everything is plastic. As our neighbors say, "Green paint must be really expensive."
Similar to what happened to destroy the quality and reputation of Boeing - these companies have been taken over by the idea that only short-term profit matters, long term is not "on their radar".
Here’s how it works. Greedy top executives shaft their customers and their employees to achieve short-term gains in profit. They then get massive bonuses. By the time the company implodes, said greedy top executives have moved on to another company to repeat the operation. I’ve seen it done and been one of the employees who lost their jobs in the process. It’s heart-breaking and sickening. Destroying a company’s reputation and a competent workforce like this to make a quick buck is asset-stripping, which in some contexts is a crime.
More likely it's the top investors on the board demanding dividend payouts. They vote for the CEO and others. One of them could be the CEO. They control the executives. That's what's happened to the railroads, and many other top corporations. Know what, and who you are fighting. It could be your friends, family, and neighbors stock portfolios. Of course, they may not understand the farmer's problem, but that's why they don't care about anything but profit?
@@wiretamer5710 Not the customers. The Board Members, along with significant corporate lobbying interests. This is the reason behind the "export" of manufacture (and thus capability) to wherever labour is the cheapest. Do the savings get passed on to the customer, or are they used to pad shareholder dividends and executive bonuses? I'll let you answer that one.
I don't farm, but have been following this for a while. It makes me just as angry as the people who own the junk. I'm still shocked how many people aren't aware of what is going on. Thank you for your efforts in getting the word out. Companies show despicably poor citizenship in predatory abuse of their own customers! Their hubris must be called out and publicly shamed. Hopefully a reckoning comes, and they find out what happens when enough people have had... enough.
Which on it's own should not be a problem. But JD should have a guaranteed up time. I know more companies that work like that and they actually need to pay compensation if they can't meet the uptime goals.
@@stanleyhache1626 well, American government sold US to the Jews. Can't be patriotic when president puts israel first and American citizens second. US auto market got dominated by imports too.
My dad got screwed by john deere. It was a riding lawn mower but my dad was tired of wasting his hard earned money on Walmart brands every two years. So he wanted a good name brand, he could trust. He knew deere was good because he grew up seeing it. Dad was getting on in years and didn't want to have to deal with repairs. One of john deeres snake oil salesmen talked dad into their el cheapo mower. He had less than 24 hours on the machine when it kept slipping out of gear. I checked it out and found out the the rear end gears were plastic. Yes plastic. The rear end gears. I couldn't believe it. I bought a replacement rearend from deere and should of checked with Fisher Price instead. The deere replacement was junk too. Dad was so infuriated he quit mowing the grass. He hired the neighbor kid to mow his grass. When I bought the replacement part from deere, the salesman told me before I left to be sure to come back. I told him, my dad wouldn't have another piece of sh&t john deere ever again. A guy in the back looked at me like he wanted to fight. Musta been the manager. Dad couldn't believe he wasted his hard earned money on something he "knew" was good. I know no one in my family will ever buy from deere. I wish the farmers godspeed.
Them plastic gears remind me of plastic pistons in a pressure washer of a well known yellow-coloured brand. It was used maybe twice a month and the damn thing started leaking after only a year, so there were maybe 20hrs clocked on the machine. :D Yes, it was a cheap model, the high ends had pistons made of aluminum but were three times as expensive.
Trust me man, whrn I say I never, ever bought jack from john deere, and I never will. Let them close their doors, yet let another true American man take his place.
I had the same thing happen with Volvo. Had grown up seeing it as a reliable brand, but Ford had bought it and ran it into the ground. Honda lawn mowers are really good, btw
To me, this seems like the perfect time for a manufacturer to market a product with built in diagnostics or a laptop and the software included that allows a farmer to fix their own machine. I have to think that they would make a killing.
Then, just like all these other corporations, leave America and screw the average employee!! there company president is overpaid like most of them! The greed is choking the average farmer.
Thats if it needed to be brought in. 9/10 times they have mobile service techs who can do it on site. Unless there is a can bus failure it would not need to be brought into the stealership.
You may need a computer to work a modern fuel injected engine, but you don't need it to work the electric windows or head light. Lets go back to simple.
I call that BCE, ie Bean Counter Engineering. Maybe we should support the importation of bean-counters, MBAs, and attorneys so that said ingrained morons get a taste of their own medicine.
I have a farmer friend who bought an old Deere from the '50's or so to fix up to pull a hay-wagon for hayrides and in the town parades. He already had a big newer Deere with computerized everything and air-conditioning. But he pulled his old Deere out of the barn to use as a back-up when he had troubles with the new one. Three years later he just uses the old one. During planting and harvest seasons he runs the old Deere 3 shifts, taking turns on the tractor with 2 of his sons, and the big new beast he's still paying on just sits there in the shed gathering dust. He's not a happy farmer. Guess what he tells other farmers who want advice on a new tractor.
I had a Massey 135 from about 1959. Three cylinder diesel. Reliable as a screwdriver! No AC, no power steering, no GPS, no computer, just pulling power. And when I ran it into a stump and broke a steering part, I had the repair part in two days! Life was gooood! Then I retired and sold it. Probably still running somewhere.
If they do fire him, which is extremely unlikely, you can bet that he will get a multi-million dollar golden handshake on his way out of the door. All these top execs look after each other.
You want John Deere to fire their CEO? Who is John Deere? The man is long dead. JD is now a corporation. JD is all the people who own company's stock. Farmers should buy their stock. That way they have a real say in what the company dies (including firing the CEO) and getting some of their money back in dividends.
If there is another tractor company out there, they should step up to the plate and take over from John Deere. They have the chance to make a ton of money. If JD moves out of the country they will have tariffs slapped on them and the price will go so high that the farmers will be forced to buy from another company.
The main reason those companies are getting worse and bolder at all of this anti-consumer awfulness is that they believe it's more beneficial (and profitable) to them to jump on the wagon rather than compete. It's less effort, and who's going to stop them? When the "competition" sees something like this, they're not going "This is a wonderful opportunity for us to claim their market share!" - that takes a lot of work, a lot of uncertain investment and a lot of time. But just doing the same scumbag thing will cost them nothing, and make a lot of money (at least for the time the suits care about, that is, until they leave for another company with their "valuable" "experience" :D ).
@@godmodeforever: WOW that’s deep. But really that’s what’s needed! When these companies turn on its very customers we should speak with OUR MONEY and stop buying their products. U.S. is the world’s largest consumer of EVERYTHING. Deere will find out when its stock is downgraded to penny.
When I was a teenager and a young adult, I wanted some of their products so badly, then when I found out 10 or so years ago what they were doing, I squelched that desire double-quick.
It's Not the companies.It's the DEI,ESG, 'edumacated' snowflakes that are now in charge and more interested in how Black Rock and the monied elite "think"?.
Deere doesn’t hate their customers they just want to squeeze every penny they can out of them in the short term to drive quarterly profits, even if it drives them to bankruptcy. Gone are the days of building a robust community that will continue to generate long term profits, the current management will be long retired after cashing in their bonuses and stock options and hence could care less. You can thank Jack Welch and his followers…
@@STScott-qo4pw By the moneyed investors that "own" that company appointing a woke CEO and forcing the workers and dealers to accept the woke BS that is now being rebelled against by their customers??? That's how.. oh and moving production of parts and some whole motorcycle lines to Thailand.... See a pattern here?
I'm not a farmer but now that i know corporate greed has taken over John Deere.....screw them!!!!... I'd never buy a John Deere the rest of my life for just having the American farmer go through such grief in the first place and given the opportunity I'm sure they would do it again
My Congresswoman Victoria Spartz D5, Indiana. A farmer herself, has the Freedom To Repair Act. Please put the pressure on your elected officials to resolve this issue with all software based equipment. The automotive world has subscription based software available for diagnostics and repair. I think this would be a step in the right direction.
Louis Rossmann has been working to bring this issue to light for literal years. And every time they make a stride forward, Deere pushed them 2, sometimes 3 steps back. Here's the IMPORTANT thing people need to realize: If Deere keeps getting away with this, they won't be able to go to other equipment makers, because those makers will do the SAME F'ing THING as Deere is.
Exactly. Lookout what happened to American business as a whole after Coof 19...no place open after 11 pm, no place open bf 5 am...business learned that people will pay for what they want regardless of price. We played ourselves. Trump 2024 for a chance at gaining some ground back tho!!!
Other brands are already doing it across industries. It's only going to get worse. I'm holding out to see if the EU will impose some regulations for manufacturers. These can be hit and miss, but when they hit they hit hard.
@@allhopeabandon7831 sorry but the orange blivet and his backers want to take the US back to the 1600~1700s and make it a theocratic dictatorship. so sorry, but no, we do not want that.. even older, longtime republicans are backing Harris/Walz due to how the orange blivet and his backers act.. check out what the entirety of what project 2025 wants to do vs our history books of about the 1600s~1700s, including the formation of the United States entirely.
I was working on a farm back when they started doing this. The old man sold all his jd equipment and went and bought old-school equipment. We spent a feww weeks getting it all in tip top shape. Never had a stop or breakdown that kept us from working for years with regular maintenance. Couldn't run a new deere one season without several week long or longer breakdowns due to electronics. Theyve gone anti consumer ad. They need to pay for it
As someone who has been working on right to repair in Minnesota for several years, this isn’t new information. John Deere has been the major roadblock every year. We finally got digital right to repair passed and it went into affect in July, but with a notable exemption of agricultural equipment. Republicans refused to support it with that in there. Farm Bureau was also against it. They use fear mongering and lies about farmers overriding emissions systems as justification for why it shouldn’t be allowed. Or that farmers might get hurt if they are allowed to repair certain stuff. It’s wildly offensive to farmers. And laughable that they care about the emissions. The JD MOU is a joke.
@@LuvBorderCollies this comment is wild. Minnesota is one of only six states that have a right to repair law. Walz supports it OP says Republicans held it up and you're still gonna spew your nonsense.
Greed is going to destroy this company.They made more than $10,000,000,000.00 last year and they still are going to lay off some of those hard working folks that need their paychecks to provide for their families.
@wreckum56 my family have a tractor with front loader attachment bought back in 2003. It never had a major breakdown till this year when the FRONT Loader attachment broke. So 21 years and still kicking and the only thing that broke was the Optional front loader attachment. And save for a broken door (Neighbors kid went out to practice shooting and hit the door which was all glass and us sadly fighting up the replacement window too hard that it shattered when we closed the door and too broke to go get another one) the tractor itself has been reliable
I was a John Deere technician for many years before they became publicly owned…..and I was a JD technician after they became publicly owned, the company had changed it was more about making money than providing good products for farmers or for or other business people like construction … it became obvious that it was about making money for all of its investors, instead of good service for farmers . John Deere Started cutting corners in every way possible to make more money for the investors .
They do things in the name of making money for shareholders, but in reality it is all about maximising the renumeration of senior executives. They don't see farmers as loyal customers, only as captive sales and spares sales and service call income. Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Wall Street doesn't care about companies. They make money on the way up and they short stock on the way down until the company is dead (Sears the most obvious example).
I've been in Ag Crop Input sales for 30 years. I can tell you that farmers have long memories and Deere should NEVER have allowed themselves, for any reason, to get into a combative relationship with their primary customer segment. What you win people with is what you win them to, so if you think that an American (or Canadian in my case) farmer is going to buy a Mexican made combine or sprayer without the means to fix it when something goes wrong, well, you have just signed your company's death warrant. Farmers simply do not have time to wait on your schedule. Even if Deere turns around today and opens the door to Right To Repair and cancels the layoff and the Mexican project, damage has been done and it will take years to regain the trust of the producer.
Things like this don't happen by chance! The major shareholders(Vanguard, Blackrock) are demanding a poor product that can be stopped cold by JD maintenance, or lack of it!
@@38Maelstorm I don''t have time to look into this in detail, but others have. The big stockholders are the source of a great deal of money also. They're the ones that caused Target, Bud Light, and many others to go woke and nearly broke. I don't quite know what their agenda is, but many have looked into it and made videos or otherwise shared their views on the net. It's not that difficult to find if you look. The agenda seems to be to weaken the USA relative to other governments and destabiize things to the degree that a supergovernmental structure can be introduced and bought into. It sounds like conspiracy theory, but such things do happen. Think about the EU, ASEAN, WTO, WEF, UN, and other similar organizations. Just look with a clear mind and no preconceptions.
To meet the USA for the EPA.. These components have got to go on.. diesels Engine everywhere united states.. Many governments don't give. A rats ass.. The whole african continent.. And asian continent.. And india continen.. The end User is going to pay the the price.. All can say . Is prepared for. Massive inflation on everything.. Thanks to the uUSA Government.
My grandfather ran a farm equipment and Diesel repair shop in Youngstown,Ohio and it was much easier to repair farm equipment back then. I did not want to take the shop after he passed away, but i would definitely want to be able to diagnose these new tractors if i was working on them.
This has to be the right approach, assuming those manufacturers are actually better on repair access. The right to repair is fundamental. It would be best if states/federal govt gave everyone repair rights, rather than hoping companies won't take advantage of the opportunities that proprietary software provides to screw over your customers.
@@xxwookey And this is why the government is pushing for all this computerized junk, in our cars, trucks, farm equipment. They want the control. They can't control us when we use old dependable non computerized equipment. They can't see what we spend on when we use Cash!!! That's why they are pushing to do away with it. Let us not ever let that happen.
You guys should get in touch with Louis Rossmann. He's been fighting John Deere for many many years and facing every roadblock you can imagine and a lot neither of us can imagine.
Do you have the reputed "special tool required to open the hood" of your Rolls Royce that is supposedly given as a prize for completing their repair school? This idea has been around as long as exclusivity has.
@NightPaddle I'd still have a deere any day over a fendt. They are much more reliable than a fendt. We put 15k hrs on deere tractors before changing. We tried 3 fendts and we had to sell them at 7k hrs dew to engine and transmission issues
A business opportunity for Deere's competitors. Do what Deere isn't doing. Make their machines repairable and modify-able. The farmers can vote with their wallet as to who has the better company. Farming has a long history of individuals modifying their equipment to improve how it did a job or add a new job to the jobs it already does.
That all works until the groups doing this to Deere show up on the competitors' doorsteps with an insanely-sized sack of cash and buy them up, too. In the end, Deere is the HOW in this mess, not the ultimate WHO.
It seems that manufacturers have discovered that the embedded computers that were supposed to improve performance can also be used to increase bottom line by forcing farmers to use dealerships for repairs. Farmers are very practical people and can usually fix anything when needed.
My dad was a parts department manager for several Deere dealerships for about 50 years. He helped hundreds of thousands of farmers get their equipment repaired so that they could get their crops in on time and succeed in their business. He would not like the divergence of Deere away from supporting and helping their customers to blatant corporate greed, if her were alive today. Deere should wake up, else they will continue to lose market share as the public moves away from their products.
this is an obvious issue , well noted and documented . I ask this , Why are American farmers still buying John deere equipment ? wise up and stop supporting the enemy!
Case doesn't let you down we have farmed for over 135 years we never had the green machines on our property, I've always heard my great great uncles say when I asked why they always used Case " John Deere wouldnt sell to us boya but International and Allis Chalmers did". Back then we only farmed 225 acres but over time grown today 8900 acres all owned which I now own and manage and in 2023 I purchased 3 green tractors a Fendt 1050 Vario and 2 Steiger KP-525 Tiger IV acres👍
Im from waterloo iowa and my dad worked for John Derre for over 35 years till ne passed away. In the 1980s there were over 17 thousand employees at the 4 John Deere plants in waterloo. Right now John deere only has 10 thousand employees in the usa and half of them are in waterloo iowa. John Deere has turned its back on America.
Yep, they're building plants in Mexico now. As a former Iowan myself, I had John Deere machines around me all my life. Even the mower at my dad's workplace was a Deere.
But the used market of JD may get a big boost. We need to buy up every old JD appliance that is sitting unused and start reviving them. But then JD would stop all sales of JD parts. Aftermarket will out best friend.
Easy if you're in the market for a new piece of equipment. It's not so easy when you just bought the expensive machinery. We need farmers suing John Deer over illegal monopolistic practices and violations of the Magnuson Moss Warrantee Act.
@@ianbelletti6241 Makes sense. Actions will be different for existing owners and prospective owners. One thing is for sure, if you still go ahead and purchase one now, knowing full well the issues, you had better not complain afterwards.
Right to repair is driving customers away from the DEAR product here in Australia. Manufacturing in Mexico will be a great decision. Oh wait! Trump's tariffs of 100% and above. In years to come we could be saying "remember when that company with the green tractors turned its back on farmers". What was its name? Terry from Australia.
I don't think understand manufacturing and right to repair are two different things. If your from Australia keep your opinions to ur own country. There is a solution to the right to repair and a solution to the manufacturers issue if you use a bit more critical thinking.
Hello all. Regarding John Deere and its move to Mexico. I have some personal history with John Deere. I live in Canada where John Deere used to have a factory in Welland Ontario. That factory opened in 1911. Every single year of its operation saw the highest tonnage output per man hour worked and the highest profit margins of any John Deere facility in the world. In the 80’s they built the AMT there. Then they shifted to the gator. Every gator made was made in Welland. Every contract, John Deere threatened to pull the gator line and move it to South Carolina if we didn’t take a pay cut. Late 90’s or early 2000’s after I quote for the writing on the wall, they did pull the gator line and attempt to move it. They ended up losing almost 2 years of production and eventually moved the line back to welland. Im no mathematician but I figure they could have paid $100 per hour for labour and still saved money. Not sure if anyone puts 2 and 2 together but John Deere has been outsourcing parts for decades so the made in America is actually nothing more than a mantra. They are the pioneers of offshore outsourcing. Welland works was closed and abandoned and left for the tax base of welland to pay for demolition and clean up. That plant was all based on piece work pay for the shop floor. One day I went for a walk and got all the times for every part on a 540 loader which was the he machine I welded. Every bushing, stamped part, weld, assembly, paint, and even the stickers cost John Deere $165 in direct labour. Nobody on this earth can convince me that John Deere can ship a loader so far as across the street for $165. The cost for employees to a company that has had pensions for 3 generations is not the labour cost, I would argue it is more likely the pension administration fees and health insurance fees. That is not to say employees should not have pensions and health insurance. Im saying pension fund managers, insurance companies and company uppers make too much. John Deere is certainly not alone in that. It is for the most part not the fault of the fella begging on the corner that he is begging on the corner. When there are no jobs there are no options. Here in peterborough ontario, Quaker Oats actually pays less per hour than they did 25 or 30 years ago. No adjustment for inflation. Just the actual number per hour is a smaller number than it was. GM used to build their own bumpers in Oshawa. I assume about $40 or $50 would have had one ready to install all in the same building. They started outsourcing so that bumper was loaded onto no less than 4 different trucks and run through 3 separate facilities all the while collecting road salt that hinders the chrome electroplating process. They demolished their warehouse so they don’t pay tax on it and sold heavy trucks to sit on the highway and bung up traffic for the rest of society while they make a profit on heavy truck sales and show a loss on light truck manufacturing and went to our government for a welfare check of close to a billion dollars of tax base support while kids in school have no books or sports gear. I know I am speaking of the Canadian experience but it is the same experience as America. Gotta wonder if the community would be better off keeping folks employed on farms. What is it we are chasing anyway? What is it we really want out of life? This particular post is regarding John Deere but something as simple as a pair of jeans should also be considered. Why don’t we make them in our own communities just like we are looking to fix our tractors in our own community? A town of 50000 people would theoretically need about 50000 pair of jeans a year. That sounds like a lot of folks kept off the street corners.
Companies had their own pension funds. Basically they were another part of the financial department of the company. Health insurance in Canada isn't much of an issue. That wasn't too expensive because it was a big deal....similar buying in bulk. As for the Jeans thing, a 50.000 people city needs 50.000 once every several years or at least they should. Not that simple.
It's worse in the US, actually. The number of US cities you can rent housing in, much less buy, on minimum wage - the thing that is supposed to exist to ensure you can't be paid less than you need to live - is 0. What a terrible excuse for a country. It has maybe 50 to 80 more years left before complete collapse.
Clothes would have to be more expensive to support the wages we have here, and we would need to consume less clothes to not put everyone in clothes factories. I would love to go back to high-quality clothes that you keep and repair for a long time though. Cars/tractors are one of the few things that probably still work to keep the factories close because people still pay 20-30.000 for them and expect a quality product that will last 15 years. Thing about clothes factories, especially making fabrics, is also that they pollute the surroundings a bunch. Nobody wants that around. Let China have 'em. If everyone started going to their local tailor/seamstress and getting good quality clothes that lasted years that would be amazing, but I doubt it.
I'm in Montana, grew up on a ranch here, and I've heard of this. My grandparents had it figured out: if you can, do it yourself; reuse everything because it's all resource, and spend as little as possible. Independence is freedom.
We are seeing farmers migrate to other brands (Case,etc) as their tractors reach end of life or no longer serviceable Due to high cost of proprietary parts and software. There are indeed hacks out there to bypass a Lot of this but a lot of farmers aren’t as tech friendly. We will see a migration to German and other reactors increase dramatically in coming years! We’ve already sold off JD tractors that can be replaced by Fendt/Case/New Holland. We are done with JD!!! That is why you are seeing their dealer lots with ever increasing supplies of tractors! Our JD dealer begs us to come in and we’ve told him we are done with JD. Until The woke corporate goons get replaced, the company will continue its decline. Dealers are caught in the middle. The complaints to corporate go unanswered and even our dealer knows it. And JD dealers not allowed to carry other brands so they are screwed. Fendt’s are relatively easy to work on and less costly to operate.
I have bought 1 piece of john deere equipment in my life, just a little riding mower, brand new from lowes and it came with a bad battery, paid for the extra warranty, yet they still wanted to waste my time, called lowes and they told me they would replace the battery, only for me to go up there and be told they cant replace the battery themselves because its a battery with the john deere sticker on it, what ended up happening is i got stuck arguing with customer service until the store owner came over because 5 of his employees were arguing with each other over it, took him 10 seconds to tell them to stop wasting time and give me a battery The moral of this story, is that i lost all respect for john deere, and this was before i learned of the right to repair issues, i will never buy the green again
@@3644Darrell Deere dealers sell the same junk mowers that Lowes and other stores sell if the mower has the same number on it. However if you buy from a Deere store they look after you but Lowes will make you jump through hoops. About 20 years ago I bought a JD mower from the Deere dealer. It had a problem where it would go about 100 feet and stop. Crank up and go another 1000 feet. They came and got the mower and replaced he seat and brought it back under warranty and no charge. The transmission went out at 300 hours on it because it was a junk low end mower that they should not have made. They buy the transmission from a company named something like tuff tourq. That company makes several lines of quality from junk to very good. About 3 years ago I bought another Deere mower and it had a problem where it may not start but moving the wires and it would run. It may mow 2 or 3 times with no problem and then act up again; This year it finally would not start. They came and picked it up, fixed the problem and brought it back with no charge.
As a guy from EU, but a huge fan of all things related to USA, I spend much time on the internet, and it looks like to me that everything in USA becomes trashy, lately : tools, cars, bikes, farming equipment... I hope I'm wrong, but there's a trend in all those YT videos that I don't like to see. Please, Americans : make USA great again. And for good.
US and EU are like the sides of the same coin. We in EU will get the same treatment the US folks get it is only matter of time. I have seen articles about Mercedes and Audi asking buyers to pay subscription for things that are already installed in their cars. There was an article about Mercedes, BMW and Polestar (Volvo) trying to implement a subscription service that would remove electric engine power output restrictions if subscribed. This shitshow needs to receive more attention or else "we will own nothing and be happy about it".
I have a small John Deere lawn tractor. 1984 112 L. The thing is a tank. I’ve had to do many repairs learned over the years from wear and tear like a new front axle, new, muffler, new carburetor, and a couple of spindles. But it is solid. Because it was sold out, decided to look at something new that might ride a little nicer and go a little faster and I was absolutely shocked at the garbage they are selling for residential lawnmowers. They are tinny, plastic, and weigh about half as much as mine. Plus, they’ve got electronic switches etc which mine doesn’t. If there’s an EMP, I’ll be able to hop on my John Deere and go as far as my gas stores will take me. I’m sticking with the old stuff. They can keep the new crap.
This is not only happening in farming. Every company that makes machines of any kind rely on their product(s) breaking down so they can charge you for the repairs. But glad to see at least one sector standing up to this bs.
Not True. Toro in the commercial turf industry provides everything l they can outside of programming. Service manuals and onboard diagnostics are available to the user free of charge. The only roadblock they hit is the engine manufacturer but they’ll still give you the codes set by the ECM.
Over the past 10 years, AGCO has quickly become a strong competitor to John Deere. Fendt's kinda the Cadillac of tractors. For the same money as a John Deere, you can get a nicer tractor with a long no questions asked warranty. And if you don't want to spend top dollar for a tractor with all the bells and whistles, Massey Ferguson is a stripped down Fendt with the same trouble-free drivetrain.
I'm more of an Allis Chalmers and CASE IH farmer. Fendt was arguably AGCO's most valuable acquisition. Other manufacturers are still trying to catch up to Fendt's CVT over 25 years later.
This is a sign of things to come. If the manufacturer of my car or motorcycle did this, I'd swap brands. Its easy for me, but for these farmers it's not as simple. Good luck to the farmers.
! worked as a hired hand for a Dallas County, Iowa farmer. John Deere equipment for every need. This would have been 1982. A large John Deere dealership nearby provided excellent service, sold parts, and had mechanics who gave free advice. They even did In-The-Field service calls! That is a good business plan that gets repeat customers and new customers! It seems Deere has forgotten that logic, a sad comment but true. Farmers talk with wallets and if they find a better deal with another implement company that is where they will go.
This issue is larger than the John Deere company. It's the same issue with the smartphone manufacturers and the automotive industry. Consumers, in general, need to start fighting back to retain their rights to the property they buy. As for John Deere, stop buying their equipment. Once their profits dropped then they'll start to learn. If they continue, then never buy their equipment and put them out of business.
Sad but true. I love my dads old 4020 and have always looked up to john deere until recently. Like you said, they also aren't the only American company I have lost respect for and not because they make bad products but because of the greedy games they have started playing. I have noticed the local county has started buying Orange tractors over green and I know why.
I get 4 years from a $100 smartphone... By the time its battery fails, I'm ready to upgrade to the new $100 phone that is equal to the $700 phone from when I bought the $100 phone.
You will "own" nothing and be happy. Folks this is all a plan, and it's coming together perfectly. With politicians and judges in their pockets, the move toward surfdom is fast approaching. Buckle up folks... the world you knew is quickly disappearing.
I recently, within the last four years, purchased a new tractor and a new combine for our operation. The tractor was a Case and the combine was a Gleaner. Our farm runs on red as the primary color and as long as John Deere continues on this pathway we will continue to maintain our red fleet!
When a company becomes obnoxious to its customers it means moving to a better machinery supplier. Whoever is in charge of John Deere are banking on brand loyalty, at the same time as they are gouging their customers. Disgusting.
This all is so true. I had my Lawn tractor in for a carburetor problem. When I got it back they had changed a drive belt (at a labor cost of $35). They sad it was bad and needed changing. I wasn't having any problems with it, but I figured it was done so no use in making a issue of it. I got it home and started it up and the belt shot out torn in pieces. The said I must have done something wrong and I should bring it back in and they would put a new one in. I took it back and they replaced it but gave me a bill for $85.96 for doing it. I told them I wasn't paying it and they said I would be hearing from their lawyer. I did hear from their lawyer. I ended up giving in rather than fighting it in court for $85.96. I'm done with John Deere.
My Grandfather was a farmer in southwest Iowa for 50+ years. He never used a John Deere tractor. He just did not like them. Plus he never bought a tractor bigger then he needed. Maybe its time for farmers to get back to basics.
Well, I am a mechanic who specializes in JD equipment and I refuse to support anything newer than 2012, since they stopped making 9770 combines. THAT right there was a very clear indicator, that JD has lost their marbles. Make the best damn all around combine there is and then stop it's production entirely and replace it with a piece of shit that couldn't even hold the cab door closed properly. Needless to say, JD was on the deathbed since about 2010 and I dislike the idea of farmers constantly buying their new junk. We should all either switch brands at the same time or just simply stop farming for the year and see what happens. Don't think for a second other manufacturers won't follow suit after they reach the size of JD.
@@bobfg3130 nope 😜 combines are still my babies and until I retire, I can find parts or make them myself. I will NEVER buy into new crap, nor will I support people that do.
I worked for an elevator company, One of the world's biggest five. The elevator software we used had protection to prevent pirated software being used. If you had a laptop computer say from Chicago and hooked it up to an elevator in Miami it would lock up that elevator it was hooked up too. Then it would take a tech support person from corporate to come out and reset that elevator that the customer would have to pay for since you hooked up an unauthorized computer to the system (many thousands $). Each elevator would only allow specific diagnostic laptops to be hooked up. Each tech's laptop was recorded when you hooked up your computer. Then when your laptop was updated they would check to see if you hooked up to any elevators not under their maintenance contracts. The customer could buy a laptop for around $30,000 which only gave you about 25% of the functions of an adjusters laptop. Many functions you could not monitor or change adjustments. They make huge profits by eliminating repair and maintenance competition from third parties.
Working in the farm equipment industry I don’t understand why John Deere stays so popular in the US. Farmers keep complaining yet they keep buying the same brand. It’s like voting with ones wallet isn’t a thing anymore. Look across to Europe and there are far more wider spread of manufacturers used. It’s the “brand loyalty” that keeps screwing farmers. Being loyal to a brand out of principle is the worst thing to do as a customer. Always buy products form a company that does the right things. Reward them for that and others will follow. It’s easy to blame the manufacturer and complain that the other brand doesn’t offer this that or the other convenient tech and keep buying from the most evil corp. All this starts from the end users. Stop buying the stuff that hurts you.
Absolutely - send Deere & Co a message - they'll get it eventually ! They must be under significant pressure to perform ovet and above, given that they're pretty much the only ag business that hasn't been subject to mergers and takeovers, whereas everybody else of note, has been. No sympathy though !
I see less and less Big Green equipment here, the farmers are replacing them with other brands. Can't speak for the rest of the country, but my neighbors are over John Deere.
They keep buying deere cause their daddy bought deere, their grandfather bought deere, their great grandfather bought deere and so on. And by God they aren't going to be the ones to break that tradition, kool-aid drinkers are like that.
They buy because they get service and parts, deere makes good stuff, but like anything you buy you need good service and there are alot more.deere shops than any other brand, look at agco there dealers are few and far betweeen and it shows, how many gleaners do they sell compared to a deere or even case machine.
They don't return for the brand, they return for the dealer. If you have a good dealer that only sells Deare, you buy it. If good dealers were working with different companies that were close, they would use them instead.
Why is anyone buying John Deere stuff now? Surely people interested in farm equipment have seen videos like this, or read articles by now. Is it that the competition isn't any better? I've never heard anyone complain about other brands, but I'm not into tractors, I am interested in the right to repair and use other things, like IoT devices.
I’m celebrating I’m about to close a deal with a big company from another country to sale 4.2 million dollars of all my John Deere equipment!!and buying equipment from them that I can work on and not involved in DEI!!unfortunately I’ve got to continue using until end of harvest..but still a win for me…
I’m sorry that America let you down. I hope your new equipment works great for you. As I look at history and have watched one party continue to make your job harder every year I’ve realized it’s the same group that has sold millions of people the big green deal lie. It’s costing our country a price we can’t pay. You have my prayers and my hope that I can only help with my Vote. Union members finally noticed when the lost their jobs. Now the farmers still mad a Ron Reagan better vote against the left or get used to community farms.
My family has been ranching in the Colorado high county for over 120 yrs now. We sold off most all of our newer equipment since covid. We only need material handling, a few rakes and a harrow. This is easily handeled by our older equipment and we are saving more $ on financing. Yes repairs are needed more often but our savings let us hire an in house mechanic/ general laborer. He lives in one of the older houses and has proven to be the most dedicated and capable person we have. I doubt a dirt framer could so the same though. Free range cattle ranching is less involved than a proper farm.
The only thing I have ever owned that was green, was a 7200 maximerge planter when I started a small farm, the cost of custom harvesting was too high for a small farmer, so I switched to a haying operation that I started in 2012. All my equipment (except the initial planter) has been Kubota and an ESCH tedder. I purchased my M125XDTC in 08 used for $10K less than a comparable Deere with the same # of hours. Kubota has treated me well for over a decade. Although recently, their prices on equipment and parts have been going up significantly.
We got rid of all of our John deer products 6 years ago. Because they wouldn't Allow us to work on our own tractors equipment. We switched up to Case and that's what we run now
Voting, the capitalism way. But that gets hard when government regulates competitors out of the market. Semi trucks in the US are getting worse and worse. And the software needed to fix them isn't cheap.
@@Cl0ckcl0ck It's really effective too. Harvard University published a study that showed 80% of disgruntled customers don't complain, they will simply shop somewhere else. Of the 20% of disgruntled customers who do complain, only half will continue to shop at that store. It will take 10 years of targeted advertising at a cost of 1000 dollars per disgruntled customer to bring back 50% of them.. Good luck with that, John Deere!
You don't have to vote for things like this. Just don't buy. When they don't make money they will get it. Plus, if there is some warrenty feature when buying this equipment, if should be carefully read.
It seems like many iconic companies that started many decades ago have lose their perspective of what made them great in the first place. They produce a product, but it only makes them money if it is purchased. Maintaining a good relationship with the purchasers of the product is the ONLY way to continue selling your product to them! If companies like John Deer lose their perspective, then it is only fitting if they LOSE THEIR CUSTOMERS!
Is there no other manufacturer? No competition? Why are farmers still buying John Deere equipment? Is it really that superior? And how can one sign a contract prohibiting themselves from repairing and suing? Can't they see the obvious attempt in screwing them over? If Jhon Deere want to monopolize they should at the very least have an enormous amount of technicians at ready to attend farmers as quickly as possible. They f'd up very very hard.
@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032 Stop thinking of any corporate product as belonging to any particular country. The share market means that "ownership" of the corporation actually belongs to the money men and they don't care about your country or my country.. They look at tax rates, bribes, incentives and profits...always profits. More money tot be made shifting production to Mexico??? ..hello Mexico here we come for our bribe money! Harley D...off to Thailand!
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It seems like FIAT is back in its past! Fix It Again Tony
B.S.
Corporate greed runs deep.
I guess it's better than leaving owners on the side of the road!
@@MotorFeed cool...
Ironic that a company founded by a repairman now forbids people to repair things.
Mr Deere is probably spinning in his grave.
Spinning faster than John deere broken pulley.
OH the IRONY!!
That is as stupid as having a computer to control everything on a car, Cooling fan goes out, nothing wrong with fan. No signal coming out of Engine computer to turn on fan, instead of needing $5 relay you need a new $798 computer. How stupid of auto manufactures. You don't need a computer to work a light bulb.
Sounds like the same as with every Auto made. Nobody wants to bust their Knuckles on the Packed in nonsense they have under the hood now. We don't have enough mechanics that really understand the reasoning behind our engine bays these days. Government wants you to buy a new one every time.
I farm and since John Deere has made it impossible to work on their equipment I refuse to buy any of their products.
Plenty of other great brands out there.
@@MotorFeed Yes!
@@MotorFeed do you know of any that will gladly hand you over the software and source codes to modify? Everybody picks on JDand they deserve it, but others arent better. Go ask your car dealer for the same thing, you'll get the same answer as with JD
YES!!! What this man said right here! Stop buying products from businesses that hate you... Buy their old products from when you could repair them yourself and keep them running for decades. I only drive old vehicles and half the parts I use to repair them, I have made myself... If there are entrepreneurs out there, start a new business and start building good equipment again...
Farmers would buy a JD scan tool if they sold one, just like I know business owners with Snap On scanners.
Source code isn’t what we’re asking for. We’re asking for a tractor that doesn’t go into hard limp mode with zero way to diagnose ourselves. We’re asking for tractors that don’t require dealer proprietary software to reflash after part changes needlessly. John Deere is locked down harder than new BMW’s when it comes to repair.
Farmers vs. John Deere. I'll be supporting the farmers. No farmers, no food.
But, but... we must eat da bugs! Und vee vill own nuthink und be happy - Ja?
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Es gibt bei uns in Deutschland einen alten Spruch :
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Heute noch genauso wahr wie damals wenn du mich fragst.
without farmers, no more john deere
Thats the idea. They want to put farmers out of business so people are reliant on government for food
This is corporate america. American institutions mean nothing, what matters is the shareholders aren’t happy and the CEO is making 25,000,000 a year. That’s what matters.
That's the truth about CEO pay. They're basic pay is likely lower but they set up easily reached goals for the bonuses which can easily go into eight figures.
That is just ridiculous. Greed is horrible.
shared based compensation
i bet 5 dollars that the majority stake holder in this company is:
wait for it
the CEO!
Increase shareholder value!
yep........corporate criminals white collar criminals rip off mugs my dear old mum used to say
There's a reason why 40 year old farm equipment is in such demand right now!
It's going to be that way with cars soon.
@@teresabenson3385 Heck, it already IS that way with cars.
@@je862 Yeah, my car is over 10 years old, and I hope it lasts another 30 or so!
@@teresabenson3385 Well, with proper maintenance, it could very well last that long.
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we have a saying in Germany: the first generation builds it, the second generation maintain and improves it and the third generation destroys it
way to go john deere
It's not just in production either...
Philip of Macedon built the basis of a powerful army...
His son, Alexander did some amazing things with the said army...
HIS son... anybody no the name? I sure as heck don't!
There are numerous other examples throughout history...
David of Israel, his son Solomon & their successor (if you're a biblical scholar you MIGHT know his name)
Here in the US, our whole national culture follows that rule;
The greatest generation
The silent generation
The baby boomers
I suppose it could also be argued it goes the greatest generation, baby boomers, then millennials. In that case though, I would stand in favor with the millennials, as the culture the boomers were maintaining may not have destroyed them, though at the cost of every successive generation after.
(And sorry for being that American making everything about us. I think I just woke up a little jaded today, lol)
My father was a manager at Lanz Tractors in Mannheim in the early 1960 s, when John Deer bought the factory. He left shortly afterward because he did not get along with John Deer management. Christof in Toronto
In America it's called sandals to sandals in 3 generations, 3rd blows everything.
@@ewill3435guess you forgot Gen x
The best answer to all farmers problems is " STOP BUYING anything labeled John Deere "
That's a fine first step, but everyone else in almost every industry are doing the same thing so it's an on going problem.
@@ARockRaider There are plenty of options that don't have JD's issues and BS
Many farmers are already in a deep existing business relation with John Deere, have chosen the products they own for a reason. Changing brands would exceed their financial means and what are they going to do with their existing machinery while switching? Farmers would prefer to rather fix the issues they're having with John Deere.
@@ralfbaechle you say that like the farmers have to scrap or sell anything they own that John dear makes.
That's not the case, chances are the farmers will just buy a different brand when the cost to repair exceeds the cost of replacement.
A brand that doesn't constantly Retroactively Amend Purchase Experiences their customers if any still exist.
@@ARockRaider If it were me, I would give up on the company and "jailbreak" the equipment. No warranty? No problem.
As a consumer I will not buy any lawn equipment or power equipment that John Deer sells. Support our farmers and Right to repair.
I run a cattle ranch. Honestly I was done with JD 20 years ago when I started to realize that if they couldn't sell you the top of the line computer on four wheels they didn't want your business.all of this "right to repair" stuff only reassures me that I was right.
Can't buy a printer without crappy user rights. Can't drive a car without them selling your GPS data.
I'm tired of this!
@@LegendStormcrow You know who else is tired of this? IT professionals. It's not how we believe customers should be treated. I'm one of the original AGILE software engineers, which is the #1 philosophy about how software and hardware should be treated. The emphasis is on the end-user, which is the folks who buy and use the product. It's clear that John Deere's C-Suite slept through business school or they wouldn't be pissing off their most valuable customers!
@@martimasters7704 The modern PC design language makes me irate! I could do anything with XP. Now I can't even run a search of my own files easily.
Indeed. This is nothing new. This was easy to see coming YEARS ago.
@@LegendStormcrow There's a reason my nerdy tech loving ass has a 25 year old Chevy Astro.
This is what happens when Hedge funds run companies
The same in Europe, the objective high profit in less time and fu... workers and costumers...
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Isn't that ironic, when you as an individual invest in a stock all you care about is the stock growing. Meanwhile this is how they grow, by screwing over consumers.
I would like to see a label that says, "No John Deere equipment was used in the making of this product."
Problem is, that would penalize farmers (which is a lot) that already own J.D. equipment bought over the decades.
@@my3dviews Consumers should be allowed to penalize any producer for any reason they want.
@@nodwick4231 They can, but farmers aren't the problem here. They are the victims of John Deere's bad practices.
agreed my3
That's actually a great idea
You have Kubota, Massey Ferguson,Bobcat,Case IH,New Holland etc. F John Deere.
What's about Fendt?
And Claas?
As a large arable UK farmer who first had many JD tractors back in the early 1970s, we used to be happy until about 10 years ago, then we found that the usual JD product reliability and repair costs with 7,000 series tractors was unusually poor. The same happened then started with the 6,000 series tractors. We came to realise JD was no longer as reliable to justify a premium price tag. They either took less care in design or designed down to a build price, or both! To add insult to injury, we found that when we came to trade in for new that the poor reliability had hit second hand demand and values. JD would not give a back up guarantee for their biggest 9620T if it broke down. We said back your product or we walk, but JD didn't care or budge. We looked at Fendt and found them similar price but that a 240hp Fendt used £10,000 less fuel than a JD over 5 years, and that was when diesel was 60% of todays prices, held its resale value and was more reliable. We changed the whole JD fleet to Fendt and have never looked back! This is how easy it is for a few greedy top executives to ruin a top products reputation in a few short years of taking their customers for granted.
But Fendt was a German company, so a no-go for the patriotic American... But 1997, they were sold to the American AGCO. So I guess, they're now more American than a Mexico-based John Deere...
You nailed it. Greedy top executives get their huge bonuses and then move on to another company before the damage they have done causes the first company to implode when its customers get tired of being shafted. A classic American story.
I John deere rose from the grave, he would be slapping some people.
"YOU DID WHAT!" SLAP
Same with lawn tractors and riding lawnmowers here in the U.S. All of a sudden, everything is plastic. As our neighbors say, "Green paint must be really expensive."
Similar to what happened to destroy the quality and reputation of Boeing - these companies have been taken over by the idea that only short-term profit matters, long term is not "on their radar".
The Right to Repair movement isn't just against John Deere. It's also against Apple
Also against Rotax, Skidoo, and many others.
@@stoptuna7671 It's infiltrating every form of consumer and commercial good. How long before we need to hire a technician to air our tires?
Cisco too.
I believe Deere competitors are about the same. If Deere wins, the rest will take the same road.
Apple and Microsoft had lawyers in the courtrooms monitoring JD’s fight through all of the trials. Big tech has a huge stake in how it all turns out
Here’s how it works. Greedy top executives shaft their customers and their employees to achieve short-term gains in profit. They then get massive bonuses. By the time the company implodes, said greedy top executives have moved on to another company to repeat the operation.
I’ve seen it done and been one of the employees who lost their jobs in the process. It’s heart-breaking and sickening. Destroying a company’s reputation and a competent workforce like this to make a quick buck is asset-stripping, which in some contexts is a crime.
This is serious
More likely it's the top investors on the board demanding dividend payouts. They vote for the CEO and others. One of them could be the CEO. They control the executives. That's what's happened to the railroads, and many other top corporations. Know what, and who you are fighting. It could be your friends, family, and neighbors stock portfolios. Of course, they may not understand the farmer's problem, but that's why they don't care about anything but profit?
Executives can only do what the shareholders and the customers PERMIT them to do. The problem is not 'greed'. The problem is selfishness.
Sounds like politicians
@@wiretamer5710 Not the customers. The Board Members, along with significant corporate lobbying interests. This is the reason behind the "export" of manufacture (and thus capability) to wherever labour is the cheapest. Do the savings get passed on to the customer, or are they used to pad shareholder dividends and executive bonuses? I'll let you answer that one.
I don't farm, but have been following this for a while. It makes me just as angry as the people who own the junk. I'm still shocked how many people aren't aware of what is going on.
Thank you for your efforts in getting the word out. Companies show despicably poor citizenship in predatory abuse of their own customers! Their hubris must be called out and publicly shamed. Hopefully a reckoning comes, and they find out what happens when enough people have had... enough.
These people don't feel shame. All they feel is profit/loss.
John Deere is not equipment ownership, its a subscription.
Your right you only have the use of the equipment through all the fine print in the paperwork you don't own squat
Which on it's own should not be a problem. But JD should have a guaranteed up time.
I know more companies that work like that and they actually need to pay compensation if they can't meet the uptime goals.
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy
@@logicthought25 I'm ready. I'm gonna rent a few rolex.
@@travistucker7317It's a plan to continually fleece and control people
I needed a small tractor. Bought a Kubota and couldn’t have been happier.
Kubota is a Japanese firm... that'll teach us.
John Deere: "You are unamerican."
@@hardware199 And you are an expert ?
@@stanleyhache1626 well, American government sold US to the Jews. Can't be patriotic when president puts israel first and American citizens second. US auto market got dominated by imports too.
John deere: "you are unAmerican, ese"
My dad got screwed by john deere. It was a riding lawn mower but my dad was tired of wasting his hard earned money on Walmart brands every two years. So he wanted a good name brand, he could trust. He knew deere was good because he grew up seeing it. Dad was getting on in years and didn't want to have to deal with repairs. One of john deeres snake oil salesmen talked dad into their el cheapo mower. He had less than 24 hours on the machine when it kept slipping out of gear. I checked it out and found out the the rear end gears were plastic. Yes plastic. The rear end gears. I couldn't believe it. I bought a replacement rearend from deere and should of checked with Fisher Price instead. The deere replacement was junk too.
Dad was so infuriated he quit mowing the grass. He hired the neighbor kid to mow his grass.
When I bought the replacement part from deere, the salesman told me before I left to be sure to come back. I told him, my dad wouldn't have another piece of sh&t john deere ever again. A guy in the back looked at me like he wanted to fight. Musta been the manager.
Dad couldn't believe he wasted his hard earned money on something he "knew" was good.
I know no one in my family will ever buy from deere. I wish the farmers godspeed.
Them plastic gears remind me of plastic pistons in a pressure washer of a well known yellow-coloured brand. It was used maybe twice a month and the damn thing started leaking after only a year, so there were maybe 20hrs clocked on the machine. :D
Yes, it was a cheap model, the high ends had pistons made of aluminum but were three times as expensive.
Plastic gears? That is insane.
Trust me man, whrn I say I never, ever bought jack from john deere, and I never will. Let them close their doors, yet let another true American man take his place.
I had the same thing happen with Volvo. Had grown up seeing it as a reliable brand, but Ford had bought it and ran it into the ground. Honda lawn mowers are really good, btw
@@MotionMcAnixx Yes, I couldn't believe it either.
To me, this seems like the perfect time for a manufacturer to market a product with built in diagnostics or a laptop and the software included that allows a farmer to fix their own machine. I have to think that they would make a killing.
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Cost them Deerely.
Dear John, I happen to have a lot of C4 that's about to expire.
Then, just like all these other corporations, leave America and screw the average employee!! there company president is overpaid like most of them! The greed is choking the average farmer.
Why? You think they need tinder to start a fire?
Hiring a big rig to haul equipment for a software update is just Disgusting
Thats if it needed to be brought in. 9/10 times they have mobile service techs who can do it on site. Unless there is a can bus failure it would not need to be brought into the stealership.
@@e30techgaming22so they will literally send the highwaymen to you to collect the racket money.
You may need a computer to work a modern fuel injected engine, but you don't need it to work the electric windows or head light. Lets go back to simple.
I call that BCE, ie Bean Counter Engineering. Maybe we should support the importation of bean-counters, MBAs, and attorneys so that said ingrained morons get a taste of their own medicine.
@@sugoruyo Its call being a 'bag man'
I'm NOT a farmer but on behalf of all of us you farmers feed. Thank you. I'm very appreciative of the work you guys and gals all do. It's awesome.
Trump needs to slap a huge tariff on them for moving the manufacturing out of the US
Yes, it’s 25% I hear…
I have a farmer friend who bought an old Deere from the '50's or so to fix up to pull a hay-wagon for hayrides and in the town parades. He already had a big newer Deere with computerized everything and air-conditioning. But he pulled his old Deere out of the barn to use as a back-up when he had troubles with the new one. Three years later he just uses the old one. During planting and harvest seasons he runs the old Deere 3 shifts, taking turns on the tractor with 2 of his sons, and the big new beast he's still paying on just sits there in the shed gathering dust. He's not a happy farmer. Guess what he tells other farmers who want advice on a new tractor.
"buy an old one"?
I have one with low miles... Wanna buy it?
I had a Massey 135 from about 1959. Three cylinder diesel. Reliable as a screwdriver! No AC, no power steering, no GPS, no computer, just pulling power. And when I ran it into a stump and broke a steering part, I had the repair part in two days! Life was gooood! Then I retired and sold it. Probably still running somewhere.
Sounds like multipower version running into stumps. Pass
China you have to go through China or hack the computer 🖥 to fix your machine
STOP BUYING, JOHN DEERE ! 😤 Why buy equipment from a company that has for years screwed over the customers.
I think John Deere should fire their CEO. Once you lose a customer you'll never get them back
If they do fire him, which is extremely unlikely, you can bet that he will get a multi-million dollar golden handshake on his way out of the door. All these top execs look after each other.
The CEO is doing exactly what is being asked of him by the private equity shareholders. Nothing to see here, and no chance of him getting fired.
If Blackrock has a lot of shares of their company then its more problems beyond their CEO.
You want John Deere to fire their CEO? Who is John Deere? The man is long dead. JD is now a corporation. JD is all the people who own company's stock. Farmers should buy their stock. That way they have a real say in what the company dies (including firing the CEO) and getting some of their money back in dividends.
CEO doesn’t matter. Private equity shareholders are. Shuffling the CEO deck won’t make a lick of difference.
If there is another tractor company out there, they should step up to the plate and take over from John Deere. They have the chance to make a ton of money. If JD moves out of the country they will have tariffs slapped on them and the price will go so high that the farmers will be forced to buy from another company.
caterpillar
The main reason those companies are getting worse and bolder at all of this anti-consumer awfulness is that they believe it's more beneficial (and profitable) to them to jump on the wagon rather than compete. It's less effort, and who's going to stop them? When the "competition" sees something like this, they're not going "This is a wonderful opportunity for us to claim their market share!" - that takes a lot of work, a lot of uncertain investment and a lot of time. But just doing the same scumbag thing will cost them nothing, and make a lot of money (at least for the time the suits care about, that is, until they leave for another company with their "valuable" "experience" :D ).
Quit buying john deer, I won't even buy their lawn equipment.
That's exactly what I'm doing. Thank you man. But yet let another true patriot take his place.
I wont even buy one of their hats.
@@godmodeforever: WOW that’s deep. But really that’s what’s needed! When these companies turn on its very customers we should speak with OUR MONEY and stop buying their products. U.S. is the world’s largest consumer of EVERYTHING. Deere will find out when its stock is downgraded to penny.
When I was a teenager and a young adult, I wanted some of their products so badly, then when I found out 10 or so years ago what they were doing, I squelched that desire double-quick.
Not even a farmer, won't buy John Deer anything (Hats ,clothing, ect).
It seems like every company hates their customers. Look at Disney and Harley Davidson.
Harley? How do you eff up a motorcycle?
It's Not the companies.It's the DEI,ESG, 'edumacated' snowflakes that are now in charge and more interested in how Black Rock and the monied elite "think"?.
Deere doesn’t hate their customers they just want to squeeze every penny they can out of them in the short term to drive quarterly profits, even if it drives them to bankruptcy. Gone are the days of building a robust community that will continue to generate long term profits, the current management will be long retired after cashing in their bonuses and stock options and hence could care less. You can thank Jack Welch and his followers…
@@STScott-qo4pw
By the moneyed investors that "own" that company appointing a woke CEO and forcing the workers and dealers to accept the woke BS that is now being rebelled against by their customers???
That's how..
oh and moving production of parts and some whole motorcycle lines to Thailand....
See a pattern here?
Amen@@icarusfarmsWV
I'm not a farmer but now that i know corporate greed has taken over John Deere.....screw them!!!!... I'd never buy a John Deere the rest of my life for just having the American farmer go through such grief in the first place and given the opportunity I'm sure they would do it again
My Congresswoman Victoria Spartz D5, Indiana. A farmer herself, has the Freedom To Repair Act. Please put the pressure on your elected officials to resolve this issue with all software based equipment. The automotive world has subscription based software available for diagnostics and repair. I think this would be a step in the right direction.
Louis Rossmann has been working to bring this issue to light for literal years.
And every time they make a stride forward, Deere pushed them 2, sometimes 3 steps back.
Here's the IMPORTANT thing people need to realize:
If Deere keeps getting away with this, they won't be able to go to other equipment makers, because those makers will do the SAME F'ing THING as Deere is.
Exactly. Lookout what happened to American business as a whole after Coof 19...no place open after 11 pm, no place open bf 5 am...business learned that people will pay for what they want regardless of price. We played ourselves. Trump 2024 for a chance at gaining some ground back tho!!!
Other brands are already doing it across industries. It's only going to get worse. I'm holding out to see if the EU will impose some regulations for manufacturers. These can be hit and miss, but when they hit they hit hard.
@@schwuzi Saw what happened with Google and Apple in the UK, I can only hope court systems in the US pay attention.
@@allhopeabandon7831 sorry but the orange blivet and his backers want to take the US back to the 1600~1700s and make it a theocratic dictatorship. so sorry, but no, we do not want that.. even older, longtime republicans are backing Harris/Walz due to how the orange blivet and his backers act.. check out what the entirety of what project 2025 wants to do vs our history books of about the 1600s~1700s, including the formation of the United States entirely.
LMFAO... Trump doesn't give a shit about this stuff...
@@allhopeabandon7831
I was working on a farm back when they started doing this. The old man sold all his jd equipment and went and bought old-school equipment. We spent a feww weeks getting it all in tip top shape. Never had a stop or breakdown that kept us from working for years with regular maintenance. Couldn't run a new deere one season without several week long or longer breakdowns due to electronics. Theyve gone anti consumer ad. They need to pay for it
As someone who has been working on right to repair in Minnesota for several years, this isn’t new information. John Deere has been the major roadblock every year. We finally got digital right to repair passed and it went into affect in July, but with a notable exemption of agricultural equipment. Republicans refused to support it with that in there. Farm Bureau was also against it. They use fear mongering and lies about farmers overriding emissions systems as justification for why it shouldn’t be allowed. Or that farmers might get hurt if they are allowed to repair certain stuff. It’s wildly offensive to farmers. And laughable that they care about the emissions. The JD MOU is a joke.
With the governor they elected in Minn why am I not surprised at the shxt show.
Yeah, I'm sure it was Republicans.... I bet Trump was behind the whole thing right?
@@LuvBorderCollies this comment is wild. Minnesota is one of only six states that have a right to repair law. Walz supports it OP says Republicans held it up and you're still gonna spew your nonsense.
JD must be in politics. "American made" hits different these days.
They use $ to lobby the politicians. Sickening.
Greed is going to destroy this company.They made more than $10,000,000,000.00 last year and they still are going to lay off some of those hard working folks that need their paychecks to provide for their families.
This is why CASE Tractors are referred to as “Deere Hunters”😂
😂😂😂 just in Case you get hungry. Deere burgers.
I don’t know,I have a friend whose fairly new case IH is on a trailer more than in the field.
@@wreckum56 we replaced our green garbage 10 years ago with case and havnt had an issue yet besides normal wear items
@@MotorFeedyummy venne burgers
@wreckum56 my family have a tractor with front loader attachment bought back in 2003. It never had a major breakdown till this year when the FRONT Loader attachment broke. So 21 years and still kicking and the only thing that broke was the Optional front loader attachment. And save for a broken door (Neighbors kid went out to practice shooting and hit the door which was all glass and us sadly fighting up the replacement window too hard that it shattered when we closed the door and too broke to go get another one) the tractor itself has been reliable
I was a John Deere technician for many years before they became publicly owned…..and I was a JD technician after they became publicly owned, the company had changed it was more about making money than providing good products for farmers or for or other business people like construction … it became obvious that it was about making money for all of its investors, instead of good service for farmers . John Deere Started cutting corners in every way possible to make more money for the investors .
Bingo.
They do things in the name of making money for shareholders, but in reality it is all about maximising the renumeration of senior executives.
They don't see farmers as loyal customers, only as captive sales and spares sales and service call income.
Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
When they became publicly owned the bean counters took over.
"Investors" are blood suckers!
Wall Street doesn't care about companies. They make money on the way up and they short stock on the way down until the company is dead (Sears the most obvious example).
Threw my beloved John Deere hat in the garbage the other day, I'm done.
I've been in Ag Crop Input sales for 30 years. I can tell you that farmers have long memories and Deere should NEVER have allowed themselves, for any reason, to get into a combative relationship with their primary customer segment. What you win people with is what you win them to, so if you think that an American (or Canadian in my case) farmer is going to buy a Mexican made combine or sprayer without the means to fix it when something goes wrong, well, you have just signed your company's death warrant. Farmers simply do not have time to wait on your schedule. Even if Deere turns around today and opens the door to Right To Repair and cancels the layoff and the Mexican project, damage has been done and it will take years to regain the trust of the producer.
Things like this don't happen by chance! The major shareholders(Vanguard, Blackrock) are demanding a poor product that can be stopped cold by JD maintenance, or lack of it!
@@Mikexxx531 Do you have any proof of this? Perhaps a video should be made on this topic.
@@38Maelstorm I don''t have time to look into this in detail, but others have. The big stockholders are the source of a great deal of money also. They're the ones that caused Target, Bud Light, and many others to go woke and nearly broke. I don't quite know what their agenda is, but many have looked into it and made videos or otherwise shared their views on the net. It's not that difficult to find if you look. The agenda seems to be to weaken the USA relative to other governments and destabiize things to the degree that a supergovernmental structure can be introduced and bought into. It sounds like conspiracy theory, but such things do happen. Think about the EU, ASEAN, WTO, WEF, UN, and other similar organizations. Just look with a clear mind and no preconceptions.
If they're moving to Mexico 🇲🇽 they should cut prices.
@@bobfg3130 lol that's a good one dude!
What a total violation of farmers rights, very hostile behavior towards there customers, unbelievable.
their
It's very believable when you understand the globalists plan to put small farmers out of business.
To meet the USA for the EPA.. These components have got to go on.. diesels Engine everywhere united states.. Many governments don't give. A rats ass.. The whole african continent.. And asian continent.. And india continen.. The end User is going to pay the the price.. All can say . Is prepared for. Massive inflation on everything.. Thanks to the uUSA Government.
@@DaxxTerryGreen Oh go back to grading tests!!! NOBODY CARES!!!! We ALL knew what they meant, EVEN YOU!!!!!! Your OCD is showing.
@@DaxxTerryGreenSo the message isn’t as important as good grammar? Wow!
Have seen the Right To Repair come up on numerous forums. I SUPPORT RIGHT TO REPAIR !!
If you start buying cheaper Chinese alternatives that won't brick your machine they might pay attention 😂
@@waichungsham1578
They put tariffs on them blocking the importation of Chinese equipment.
My grandfather ran a farm equipment and Diesel repair shop in Youngstown,Ohio and it was much easier to repair farm equipment back then. I did not want to take the shop after he passed away, but i would definitely want to be able to diagnose these new tractors if i was working on them.
Goodbye John Deere. We will happily buy Massey Ferguson, Case or New Holland instead.
This has to be the right approach, assuming those manufacturers are actually better on repair access. The right to repair is fundamental. It would be best if states/federal govt gave everyone repair rights, rather than hoping companies won't take advantage of the opportunities that proprietary software provides to screw over your customers.
@@xxwookey And this is why the government is pushing for all this computerized junk, in our cars, trucks, farm equipment. They want the control. They can't control us when we use old dependable non computerized equipment. They can't see what we spend on when we use Cash!!! That's why they are pushing to do away with it. Let us not ever let that happen.
Modern Masseys are nothing but problems, usually software related.......
None of those are any better or cheaper to run.
Or go Japanese…
You guys should get in touch with Louis Rossmann. He's been fighting John Deere for many many years and facing every roadblock you can imagine and a lot neither of us can imagine.
Do you have the reputed "special tool required to open the hood" of your Rolls Royce that is supposedly given as a prize for completing their repair school? This idea has been around as long as exclusivity has.
@@everettputerbaugh3996 You know, you can do without a rolls any day......do that with food, i dare ya.
there has to be collusion with judges to keep it from going to court.
John Deere deserves no brand loyalty anymore. If you're stuck on green go Fendt.
Or Claas. Or just buy a bucket of green paint.
I farmed for 24 years, without ever owning a J.D. tractor. All were red. 😄
But fendt is completely overrated
@@wanemergency3591 "Where was Fendt, when the Westfold fell?"
@NightPaddle I'd still have a deere any day over a fendt. They are much more reliable than a fendt. We put 15k hrs on deere tractors before changing. We tried 3 fendts and we had to sell them at 7k hrs dew to engine and transmission issues
A business opportunity for Deere's competitors. Do what Deere isn't doing. Make their machines repairable and modify-able. The farmers can vote with their wallet as to who has the better company. Farming has a long history of individuals modifying their equipment to improve how it did a job or add a new job to the jobs it already does.
That all works until the groups doing this to Deere show up on the competitors' doorsteps with an insanely-sized sack of cash and buy them up, too. In the end, Deere is the HOW in this mess, not the ultimate WHO.
It seems that manufacturers have discovered that the embedded computers that were supposed to improve performance can also be used to increase bottom line by forcing farmers to use dealerships for repairs. Farmers are very practical people and can usually fix anything when needed.
My dad was a parts department manager for several Deere dealerships for about 50 years. He helped hundreds of thousands of farmers get their equipment repaired so that they could get their crops in on time and succeed in their business. He would not like the divergence of Deere away from supporting and helping their customers to blatant corporate greed, if her were alive today. Deere should wake up, else they will continue to lose market share as the public moves away from their products.
What years did your dad work there? Sounds like it was during the 'good years' of long ago. Shame they've become what they are now.
My parent's tractor spent the first two years being repaired. Now it works. Other friends have bought Kubotas and are very happy with them.
@@je862 1945 through 1986
Before that he was repairing and flying airplanes during WW2
@@je862 I still run and maintain Deeres, both old and newer models on my farms today.
this is an obvious issue , well noted and documented . I ask this , Why are American farmers still buying John deere equipment ? wise up and stop supporting the enemy!
Case doesn't let you down we have farmed for over 135 years we never had the green machines on our property, I've always heard my great great uncles say when I asked why they always used Case " John Deere wouldnt sell to us boya but International and Allis Chalmers did". Back then we only farmed 225 acres but over time grown today 8900 acres all owned which I now own and manage and in 2023 I purchased 3 green tractors a Fendt 1050 Vario and 2 Steiger KP-525 Tiger IV acres👍
Im from waterloo iowa and my dad worked for John Derre for over 35 years till ne passed away. In the 1980s there were over 17 thousand employees at the 4 John Deere plants in waterloo. Right now John deere only has 10 thousand employees in the usa and half of them are in waterloo iowa. John Deere has turned its back on America.
Yep, they're building plants in Mexico now. As a former Iowan myself, I had John Deere machines around me all my life. Even the mower at my dad's workplace was a Deere.
Stop buying John deere
I believe that movement has already begun.
Never cared for the green paint.
But the used market of JD may get a big boost. We need to buy up every old JD appliance that is sitting unused and start reviving them. But then JD would stop all sales of JD parts. Aftermarket will out best friend.
Easy if you're in the market for a new piece of equipment. It's not so easy when you just bought the expensive machinery. We need farmers suing John Deer over illegal monopolistic practices and violations of the Magnuson Moss Warrantee Act.
@@ianbelletti6241 Makes sense. Actions will be different for existing owners and prospective owners. One thing is for sure, if you still go ahead and purchase one now, knowing full well the issues, you had better not complain afterwards.
Over a few generations of farming, we went from JD to New Holland. No regrets.
That is absolutely nuts and I will refuse to purchase any product like this.
Right to repair is driving customers away from the DEAR product here in Australia. Manufacturing in Mexico will be a great decision. Oh wait! Trump's tariffs of 100% and above. In years to come we could be saying "remember when that company with the green tractors turned its back on farmers". What was its name?
Terry from Australia.
just like boeing, JD won't realize the fallacy until its too late and bankruptcy is knocking on the door.
I don't think understand manufacturing and right to repair are two different things. If your from Australia keep your opinions to ur own country. There is a solution to the right to repair and a solution to the manufacturers issue if you use a bit more critical thinking.
@@nathanfernandes7085 I don't think you got his comment lol
the Corporate profiteers who run Deere all voted for trump's top 1% tax cuts.......ironic. They don't care about anything but $$$$$
If Mexico takes care of the illegals caravans, they won't get a tariff.
Thanks!
Hello all. Regarding John Deere and its move to Mexico. I have some personal history with John Deere. I live in Canada where John Deere used to have a factory in Welland Ontario. That factory opened in 1911. Every single year of its operation saw the highest tonnage output per man hour worked and the highest profit margins of any John Deere facility in the world. In the 80’s they built the AMT there. Then they shifted to the gator. Every gator made was made in Welland. Every contract, John Deere threatened to pull the gator line and move it to South Carolina if we didn’t take a pay cut. Late 90’s or early 2000’s after I quote for the writing on the wall, they did pull the gator line and attempt to move it. They ended up losing almost 2 years of production and eventually moved the line back to welland. Im no mathematician but I figure they could have paid $100 per hour for labour and still saved money. Not sure if anyone puts 2 and 2 together but John Deere has been outsourcing parts for decades so the made in America is actually nothing more than a mantra. They are the pioneers of offshore outsourcing. Welland works was closed and abandoned and left for the tax base of welland to pay for demolition and clean up. That plant was all based on piece work pay for the shop floor. One day I went for a walk and got all the times for every part on a 540 loader which was the he machine I welded. Every bushing, stamped part, weld, assembly, paint, and even the stickers cost John Deere $165 in direct labour. Nobody on this earth can convince me that John Deere can ship a loader so far as across the street for $165. The cost for employees to a company that has had pensions for 3 generations is not the labour cost, I would argue it is more likely the pension administration fees and health insurance fees. That is not to say employees should not have pensions and health insurance. Im saying pension fund managers, insurance companies and company uppers make too much. John Deere is certainly not alone in that. It is for the most part not the fault of the fella begging on the corner that he is begging on the corner. When there are no jobs there are no options. Here in peterborough ontario, Quaker Oats actually pays less per hour than they did 25 or 30 years ago. No adjustment for inflation. Just the actual number per hour is a smaller number than it was. GM used to build their own bumpers in Oshawa. I assume about $40 or $50 would have had one ready to install all in the same building. They started outsourcing so that bumper was loaded onto no less than 4 different trucks and run through 3 separate facilities all the while collecting road salt that hinders the chrome electroplating process. They demolished their warehouse so they don’t pay tax on it and sold heavy trucks to sit on the highway and bung up traffic for the rest of society while they make a profit on heavy truck sales and show a loss on light truck manufacturing and went to our government for a welfare check of close to a billion dollars of tax base support while kids in school have no books or sports gear. I know I am speaking of the Canadian experience but it is the same experience as America. Gotta wonder if the community would be better off keeping folks employed on farms. What is it we are chasing anyway? What is it we really want out of life? This particular post is regarding John Deere but something as simple as a pair of jeans should also be considered. Why don’t we make them in our own communities just like we are looking to fix our tractors in our own community? A town of 50000 people would theoretically need about 50000 pair of jeans a year. That sounds like a lot of folks kept off the street corners.
Companies had their own pension funds. Basically they were another part of the financial department of the company. Health insurance in Canada isn't much of an issue. That wasn't too expensive because it was a big deal....similar buying in bulk.
As for the Jeans thing, a 50.000 people city needs 50.000 once every several years or at least they should. Not that simple.
It's worse in the US, actually. The number of US cities you can rent housing in, much less buy, on minimum wage - the thing that is supposed to exist to ensure you can't be paid less than you need to live - is 0. What a terrible excuse for a country. It has maybe 50 to 80 more years left before complete collapse.
Made in America*
*Continent
Clothes would have to be more expensive to support the wages we have here, and we would need to consume less clothes to not put everyone in clothes factories. I would love to go back to high-quality clothes that you keep and repair for a long time though. Cars/tractors are one of the few things that probably still work to keep the factories close because people still pay 20-30.000 for them and expect a quality product that will last 15 years.
Thing about clothes factories, especially making fabrics, is also that they pollute the surroundings a bunch. Nobody wants that around. Let China have 'em. If everyone started going to their local tailor/seamstress and getting good quality clothes that lasted years that would be amazing, but I doubt it.
your factory down fall was when the kd drove a gator into a parked trailer lol
John Deere to Boeing, “Hold my beer…”
😂 they could’ve been the pride of the American people, but they chose money over wisdom, soon they will have neither.
@@clinthowe7629 well put
Seems like not only an airplane can take a nosedive
I'm in Montana, grew up on a ranch here, and I've heard of this. My grandparents had it figured out: if you can, do it yourself; reuse everything because it's all resource, and spend as little as possible. Independence is freedom.
We are seeing farmers migrate to other brands (Case,etc) as their tractors reach end of life or no longer serviceable Due to high cost of proprietary parts and software. There are indeed hacks out there to bypass a
Lot of this but a lot of farmers aren’t as tech friendly.
We will see a migration to German and other reactors increase dramatically in coming years!
We’ve already sold off JD tractors that can be replaced by Fendt/Case/New Holland.
We are done with JD!!!
That is why you are seeing their dealer lots with ever increasing supplies of tractors!
Our JD dealer begs us to come in and we’ve told him we are done with JD. Until
The woke corporate goons get replaced, the company will continue its decline.
Dealers are caught in the middle. The complaints to corporate go unanswered and even our dealer knows it.
And JD dealers not allowed to carry other brands so they are screwed. Fendt’s are relatively easy to work on and less costly to operate.
And now Case is also moving production to Mexico . . . Good luck with Case.
1940 Farmalls still out there working with no computer.
Woke? Sorry. Woke? Its easy to talk Trump language but you use the word wrong. It means the opposite in modern language.
@@ai-d2121your TDS is obviously ruling your life, stop get some help.
... woke? 😂
I have bought 1 piece of john deere equipment in my life, just a little riding mower, brand new from lowes and it came with a bad battery, paid for the extra warranty, yet they still wanted to waste my time, called lowes and they told me they would replace the battery, only for me to go up there and be told they cant replace the battery themselves because its a battery with the john deere sticker on it, what ended up happening is i got stuck arguing with customer service until the store owner came over because 5 of his employees were arguing with each other over it, took him 10 seconds to tell them to stop wasting time and give me a battery
The moral of this story, is that i lost all respect for john deere, and this was before i learned of the right to repair issues, i will never buy the green again
Those are genaric mowers made by mtd not deere
@@bobmiller9018 well it has their logo, and the warranty was supposed to be honored by them, so regardless I still hold them 100% responsible
Those lowes and Home Depot mowers aren't real John Deere. You have to go to a dealer to get a good one
@@3644Darrell Deere dealers sell the same junk mowers that Lowes and other stores sell if the mower has the same number on it. However if you buy from a Deere store they look after you but Lowes will make you jump through hoops. About 20 years ago I bought a JD mower from the Deere dealer. It had a problem where it would go about 100 feet and stop. Crank up and go another 1000 feet. They came and got the mower and replaced he seat and brought it back under warranty and no charge. The transmission went out at 300 hours on it because it was a junk low end mower that they should not have made. They buy the transmission from a company named something like tuff tourq. That company makes several lines of quality from junk to very good.
About 3 years ago I bought another
Deere mower and it had a problem where it may not start but moving the wires and it would run. It may mow 2 or 3 times with no problem and then act up again; This year it finally would not start. They came and picked it up, fixed the problem and brought it back with no charge.
@bobmiller9018 actually made by JD in a non union facility. They started making them to enter the big box store market.
As a guy from EU, but a huge fan of all things related to USA, I spend much time on the internet, and it looks like to me that everything in USA becomes trashy, lately : tools, cars, bikes, farming equipment... I hope I'm wrong, but there's a trend in all those YT videos that I don't like to see. Please, Americans : make USA great again. And for good.
M.A.G.A. We'll vote out the left wing nuts who think a "post-national" state is preferable to a sovereign state.
Not everything. Just big corporations. Sadly, that's the only part you will see in the EU.
US and EU are like the sides of the same coin. We in EU will get the same treatment the US folks get it is only matter of time. I have seen articles about Mercedes and Audi asking buyers to pay subscription for things that are already installed in their cars. There was an article about Mercedes, BMW and Polestar (Volvo) trying to implement a subscription service that would remove electric engine power output restrictions if subscribed. This shitshow needs to receive more attention or else "we will own nothing and be happy about it".
You are correct. There's no longer any difference btwn USA and China made products. Same garbage. I buy Japanese when I want quality.
@@TheRealScooterGuy more than that has been deliberately taken to crap. AND made it's way to Europe...
Love the history of the company portion of your video. Thanks for helping us learn something new
I have a small John Deere lawn tractor. 1984 112 L. The thing is a tank. I’ve had to do many repairs learned over the years from wear and tear like a new front axle, new, muffler, new carburetor, and a couple of spindles. But it is solid. Because it was sold out, decided to look at something new that might ride a little nicer and go a little faster and I was absolutely shocked at the garbage they are selling for residential lawnmowers. They are tinny, plastic, and weigh about half as much as mine. Plus, they’ve got electronic switches etc which mine doesn’t. If there’s an EMP, I’ll be able to hop on my John Deere and go as far as my gas stores will take me. I’m sticking with the old stuff. They can keep the new crap.
EMP is unlikely, but the reliability of the old stuff is awesome.
This is not only happening in farming. Every company that makes machines of any kind rely on their product(s) breaking down so they can charge you for the repairs. But glad to see at least one sector standing up to this bs.
Not True. Toro in the commercial turf industry provides everything l they can outside of programming. Service manuals and onboard diagnostics are available to the user free of charge. The only roadblock they hit is the engine manufacturer but they’ll still give you the codes set by the ECM.
@Herrie199 there's an old song that has the words, "everything is made to be broken " so apt for today's world 🌎
You kinda forgot productivity and return on your invested dollar.
Over the past 10 years, AGCO has quickly become a strong competitor to John Deere. Fendt's kinda the Cadillac of tractors. For the same money as a John Deere, you can get a nicer tractor with a long no questions asked warranty. And if you don't want to spend top dollar for a tractor with all the bells and whistles, Massey Ferguson is a stripped down Fendt with the same trouble-free drivetrain.
My dad has been a Massey Ferguson guy for years. (Everything is computerized but they haven't sunken so low to not be able to repair his own tractor.
I'm more of an Allis Chalmers and CASE IH farmer. Fendt was arguably AGCO's most valuable acquisition. Other manufacturers are still trying to catch up to Fendt's CVT over 25 years later.
Kubota, they are getting pretty popular for smaller, all-around work.
We’ve always ran case ih and new holland good tractors and customer service
You would get more bang for your buck if you weren't promoting JD by wearing their hat
This is a sign of things to come. If the manufacturer of my car or motorcycle did this, I'd swap brands. Its easy for me, but for these farmers it's not as simple. Good luck to the farmers.
! worked as a hired hand for a Dallas County, Iowa farmer. John Deere equipment for every need. This would have been 1982. A large John Deere dealership nearby provided excellent service, sold parts, and had mechanics who gave free advice. They even did In-The-Field service calls! That is a good business plan that gets repeat customers and new customers!
It seems Deere has forgotten that logic, a sad comment but true.
Farmers talk with wallets and if they find a better deal with another implement company that is where they will go.
This issue is larger than the John Deere company. It's the same issue with the smartphone manufacturers and the automotive industry. Consumers, in general, need to start fighting back to retain their rights to the property they buy. As for John Deere, stop buying their equipment. Once their profits dropped then they'll start to learn. If they continue, then never buy their equipment and put them out of business.
Sad but true. I love my dads old 4020 and have always looked up to john deere until recently. Like you said, they also aren't the only American company I have lost respect for and not because they make bad products but because of the greedy games they have started playing.
I have noticed the local county has started buying Orange tractors over green and I know why.
I get 4 years from a $100 smartphone... By the time its battery fails, I'm ready to upgrade to the new $100 phone that is equal to the $700 phone from when I bought the $100 phone.
You're right about smart phones: all the batteries are now hard-wired to the phone, making them impossible to replace.
Teslas and some super car manufactures are the only automobile manufactures in the USA you can't get parts thru them if they dont approve it.
You will "own" nothing and be happy. Folks this is all a plan, and it's coming together perfectly. With politicians and judges in their pockets, the move toward surfdom is fast approaching. Buckle up folks... the world you knew is quickly disappearing.
God bless Louis Rossmann. He's been fighting for farmers like no other. His efforts are absolutely next level.
yup
I recently, within the last four years, purchased a new tractor and a new combine for our operation. The tractor was a Case and the combine was a Gleaner. Our farm runs on red as the primary color and as long as John Deere continues on this pathway we will continue to maintain our red fleet!
Keep your old equipment running for as long as you possibly can, Old is Gold 💪
And can’t be tracked.
When a company becomes obnoxious to its customers it means moving to a better machinery supplier. Whoever is in charge of John Deere are banking on brand loyalty, at the same time as they are gouging their customers. Disgusting.
This all is so true. I had my Lawn tractor in for a carburetor problem. When I got it back they had changed a drive belt (at a labor cost of $35). They sad it was bad and needed changing. I wasn't having any problems with it, but I figured it was done so no use in making a issue of it. I got it home and started it up and the belt shot out torn in pieces. The said I must have done something wrong and I should bring it back in and they would put a new one in. I took it back and they replaced it but gave me a bill for $85.96 for doing it. I told them I wasn't paying it and they said I would be hearing from their lawyer. I did hear from their lawyer. I ended up giving in rather than fighting it in court for $85.96. I'm done with John Deere.
It's awesome that farmers are joining tech people in the right to repair and pushing for change in the industry..
My Grandfather was a farmer in southwest Iowa for 50+ years. He never used a John Deere tractor. He just did not like them. Plus he never bought a tractor bigger then he needed. Maybe its time for farmers to get back to basics.
It's the same here I have seen many farmers buying other brands instead of John Deere and I don't blame them
Well, I am a mechanic who specializes in JD equipment and I refuse to support anything newer than 2012, since they stopped making 9770 combines. THAT right there was a very clear indicator, that JD has lost their marbles. Make the best damn all around combine there is and then stop it's production entirely and replace it with a piece of shit that couldn't even hold the cab door closed properly. Needless to say, JD was on the deathbed since about 2010 and I dislike the idea of farmers constantly buying their new junk. We should all either switch brands at the same time or just simply stop farming for the year and see what happens. Don't think for a second other manufacturers won't follow suit after they reach the size of JD.
Time to specialise on something else.
@@bobfg3130 nope 😜 combines are still my babies and until I retire, I can find parts or make them myself. I will NEVER buy into new crap, nor will I support people that do.
Why? Why not drop all their equipment at their door and then sue them for not repairing it properly and on time, otherwise it’s a rental🤷🏿♂️
There must be other tractor manufacturers that would treat their customers right. JD should be boycotted
The thing you don't understand is simple: It's insane greed. Period. They will destroy everything rather than give up a penny.
110%
And the money they get from stock price increases is so much more than the money they get from customers, that customers become a mere nuisance.
Literally everyone understands that. The values that deere used to have are no longer in the corporation.
There's an old saying, you vote with your pocket book. There is always a competitor to buy from.
I worked for an elevator company, One of the world's biggest five. The elevator software we used had protection to prevent pirated software being used. If you had a laptop computer say from Chicago and hooked it up to an elevator in Miami it would lock up that elevator it was hooked up too. Then it would take a tech support person from corporate to come out and reset that elevator that the customer would have to pay for since you hooked up an unauthorized computer to the system (many thousands $). Each elevator would only allow specific diagnostic laptops to be hooked up. Each tech's laptop was recorded when you hooked up your computer. Then when your laptop was updated they would check to see if you hooked up to any elevators not under their maintenance contracts. The customer could buy a laptop for around $30,000 which only gave you about 25% of the functions of an adjusters laptop. Many functions you could not monitor or change adjustments. They make huge profits by eliminating repair and maintenance competition from third parties.
should be prosecuted for monopolizing
@allenburns3177
I wonder if, and how, safety regulations came into play within the obviously safety-critical aspects of elevator operations.
I think they need a Bud Light lesson!!! 🦌 🚮 👎!!!
Working in the farm equipment industry I don’t understand why John Deere stays so popular in the US. Farmers keep complaining yet they keep buying the same brand. It’s like voting with ones wallet isn’t a thing anymore.
Look across to Europe and there are far more wider spread of manufacturers used. It’s the “brand loyalty” that keeps screwing farmers. Being loyal to a brand out of principle is the worst thing to do as a customer.
Always buy products form a company that does the right things. Reward them for that and others will follow.
It’s easy to blame the manufacturer and complain that the other brand doesn’t offer this that or the other convenient tech and keep buying from the most evil corp.
All this starts from the end users. Stop buying the stuff that hurts you.
Absolutely - send Deere & Co a message - they'll get it eventually !
They must be under significant pressure to perform ovet and above, given that they're pretty much the only ag business that hasn't been subject to mergers and takeovers, whereas everybody else of note, has been.
No sympathy though !
I see less and less Big Green equipment here, the farmers are replacing them with other brands. Can't speak for the rest of the country, but my neighbors are over John Deere.
They keep buying deere cause their daddy bought deere, their grandfather bought deere, their great grandfather bought deere and so on. And by God they aren't going to be the ones to break that tradition, kool-aid drinkers are like that.
They buy because they get service and parts, deere makes good stuff, but like anything you buy you need good service and there are alot more.deere shops than any other brand, look at agco there dealers are few and far betweeen and it shows, how many gleaners do they sell compared to a deere or even case machine.
They don't return for the brand, they return for the dealer. If you have a good dealer that only sells Deare, you buy it. If good dealers were working with different companies that were close, they would use them instead.
Why is anyone buying John Deere stuff now? Surely people interested in farm equipment have seen videos like this, or read articles by now. Is it that the competition isn't any better? I've never heard anyone complain about other brands, but I'm not into tractors, I am interested in the right to repair and use other things, like IoT devices.
I’m celebrating I’m about to close a deal with a big company from another country to sale 4.2 million dollars of all my John Deere equipment!!and buying equipment from them that I can work on and not involved in DEI!!unfortunately I’ve got to continue using until end of harvest..but still a win for me…
I’m sorry that America let you down. I hope your new equipment works great for you. As I look at history and have watched one party continue to make your job harder every year I’ve realized it’s the same group that has sold millions of people the big green deal lie. It’s costing our country a price we can’t pay. You have my prayers and my hope that I can only help with my Vote. Union members finally noticed when the lost their jobs. Now the farmers still mad a Ron Reagan better vote against the left or get used to community farms.
Well done! John Deere really seem to hate farmers.
@@4fuzzybearIt's both parties, Republicans let corporations do whatever they want.
How does DEI have anything to do with right to repair?
@@justhefacts8358DEI means we need to repair more often. One load to the dealership every few years isn't so bad. DEI turns that into every week.
My family has been ranching in the Colorado high county for over 120 yrs now. We sold off most all of our newer equipment since covid. We only need material handling, a few rakes and a harrow. This is easily handeled by our older equipment and we are saving more $ on financing. Yes repairs are needed more often but our savings let us hire an in house mechanic/ general laborer. He lives in one of the older houses and has proven to be the most dedicated and capable person we have.
I doubt a dirt framer could so the same though. Free range cattle ranching is less involved than a proper farm.
The only thing I have ever owned that was green, was a 7200 maximerge planter when I started a small farm, the cost of custom harvesting was too high for a small farmer, so I switched to a haying operation that I started in 2012. All my equipment (except the initial planter) has been Kubota and an ESCH tedder. I purchased my M125XDTC in 08 used for $10K less than a comparable Deere with the same # of hours. Kubota has treated me well for over a decade. Although recently, their prices on equipment and parts have been going up significantly.
We got rid of all of our John deer products 6 years ago. Because they wouldn't Allow us to work on our own tractors equipment.
We switched up to Case and that's what we run now
Whoever tells you voting doesn't work, see bud light, target, tractor supply, now harley davidson. You don't need to wait for elections either.
Yup, you can vote every time you spend some dollars.
Voting, the capitalism way. But that gets hard when government regulates competitors out of the market. Semi trucks in the US are getting worse and worse. And the software needed to fix them isn't cheap.
@@Cl0ckcl0ck It's really effective too. Harvard University published a study that showed 80% of disgruntled customers don't complain, they will simply shop somewhere else. Of the 20% of disgruntled customers who do complain, only half will continue to shop at that store. It will take 10 years of targeted advertising at a cost of 1000 dollars per disgruntled customer to bring back 50% of them.. Good luck with that, John Deere!
You don't have to vote for things like this. Just don't buy. When they don't make money they will get it. Plus, if there is some warrenty feature when buying this equipment, if should be carefully read.
Add Jack Daniels to the list. They just revoked all their DEI BS just as a Robbie Starbuck was going to expose them 🤣🤣🤣
Once again corporations have destroyed everything.
It seems like many iconic companies that started many decades ago have lose their perspective of what made them great in the first place. They produce a product, but it only makes them money if it is purchased. Maintaining a good relationship with the purchasers of the product is the ONLY way to continue selling your product to them! If companies like John Deer lose their perspective, then it is only fitting if they LOSE THEIR CUSTOMERS!
they lost their focus from good quality, to making fast money ..with the replacement of men with old school values, to company-scalpers in suits!
Right to repair isn't just a farmer issue, it effects all of us. If you think car manufacturers wouldn't do this, you're fooling yourself.
Laughing in Chinese cars
I needed a new lawn mower a few years ago and I didn't even consider a John Deere because of this issue.
Is there no other manufacturer? No competition? Why are farmers still buying John Deere equipment? Is it really that superior? And how can one sign a contract prohibiting themselves from repairing and suing? Can't they see the obvious attempt in screwing them over?
If Jhon Deere want to monopolize they should at the very least have an enormous amount of technicians at ready to attend farmers as quickly as possible. They f'd up very very hard.
If the farmer has to pay more for repairs our food costs will only go up.
Time to let Case/New Holland shine!
Case is also headed for Mexico . . . Good luck
@@howardkettner booooooo.....
@@howardkettner traitors... all of them.
@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032
Stop thinking of any corporate product as belonging to any particular country.
The share market means that "ownership" of the corporation actually belongs to the money men and they don't care about your country or my country..
They look at tax rates, bribes, incentives and profits...always profits.
More money tot be made shifting production to Mexico???
..hello Mexico here we come for our bribe money!
Harley D...off to Thailand!
@@howardkettnerCase (and many others) have manufacturing sites around the world)