It was less price gouging and more a market reality. They could keep prices low and sell out. Then go months without getting new vehicles in their inventory. By that time salesmen working on commission would have had to leave because they didn't have a product to sell. By the time new vehicles are available there is no one to sell them.
Dodge trying to sell a sedan that had the same interior since 2015 for a 6 figure price tag is hysterical to me, the engineers can’t seem to design the vehicles correctly too. What happened to the engineers who were also mechanics? Look at Acura, with the RDX having the battery at a Hard-to-Reach placement. They deserve their downfall. Jeep isn’t what i used to know. My friend treasures his 1994 Wrangler Rio Grande, why? Because its mechanically engineered correctly. Full-on Computerization is a massive failure to modern vehicles. Especially modern BMWs not having a dipstick…
I bought a new 2024 RAM on October 5 from our local dealership. A beautiful autum Saturday. I was at the dealership from 945 AM until 3 PM. Not one other customer came in to the sales deptartment. Not one.
@@rethinkrichno the companies are only making 4dr trucks with push button start and infotainment centers, 4 cylinders, and only producing the high end vehicles. Volkswagen still makes a 23k car unlike Ford who stopped cars unless it's a mustang
So, you're telling me the same dealers and auto-makers who scalped the heck out of the customers are now facing dire times? Well, let me pretend to care.
When they were a high volume company the dealers were not so desperate to scalp. They had busy salespeople and mechanics... now not so much. Anything they can sell they have to make as much as they can on it.
Former Stellantis owner (Jeep) here. Delivered a Jeep with a bad 3.6L engine, which needed to be rebuilt after 250 miles. It was a lemon and they fought me saying "these things happen." Let them go bankrupt and don't bail them out.
Lmfao i bought a $85k ram that had a variety of issues including inside cabin wind noise which it still has they pretty much told me to stick it and never resolved my issues my car was at the dealer for (3) months before i took it back cause they weren't even touching it it was just sitting there for 3 months untouched. Let them burn baby burnnn
"Let them go bankrupt"? Hey this is capitalist America, be patriotic, whether Rep. or Dem. we bail out auto, wall street, oil, etc, so that they continue doing what they do.
But this things DOES happen and there are even bad designs - and sometimes it is figured out after sales started! Remember Samsung Note and exploding batteries? Or more recent Boeing Max? If a company honestly tries to resolve the issue, I don't think the society should be punished by this company going bankrupt. On the other hand, if it doesn't try...
They’re failing due to highly inflated prices and unreliable vehicles. It’s widely known that Chrysler, dodge and jeep are the most unreliable American vehicle brands. And people don’t want to pay $70k for an unreliable jeep when you can spend that same 70k on a very reliable Toyota 4Runner instead. You reputation and your pricing are very important parts of what makes you relevant in the market.
I have several friends who own 20-30 year old Jeeps. One has a YJ from 1991 and plans to never part with it. It's reliable, easy to maintain and it's fun to drive. He and several of his friends will stay with the old reliable straight six and never consider any of the new stuff that's destroying Jeep's reputation. Management needs to lose the attitude that they know what's best for Jeep. If they keep going in this manner, Jeep is dead... it hasn't quite stopped ticking just yet..... 🤨 👎
Its laughable that the dealer refuses to accept any blame in this. I guess marking up your vehicles thousands above MSRP didnt work out long term for customer loyalty.
Man, I noted down all the dealers in my areas that had Markups and will never do business there. Im In the PA area and there’s a retired race car driver who owns a plethora of dealerships up here (Bobby Rahal). He refused to do any markups on his inventory, for as long as I’m in the area I’ll be doing my business there. All these dealerships claimed to have the customers best interest at heart. Yet the moment they gained they upper hand exploitation followed.
Went shopping for an HD truck at the end of last year. Found an F250 to test drive. Noticed they had marked it up over MSRP. Talked to the sales manager briefly and ended the convo with "yeah thanks, it's a nice truck, but you marked it up $6,000 over MSRP so you'll never see me again." And I will never ever give that dealership a single cent. Conversely, the dealership I bought my truck from gave me invoice pricing on a brand new, high trim truck that I custom ordered, and then installed a couple of minor mods for me for free. That's how you treat customers.
@@Jbghkkjkkyyfyup, I'm in central PA, I've driven oast the Bobby Rahal dealerships many times, good to know they are legit. FYI, Hoffman Ford was the dealership with markups, L.B. Smith is where I got my truck with the discount and never did markups (as far as I know).
people nee to understand that we hold the power. we dont have to buy these over prices cars. we can dictate the price but people kept buying these cars at insane prices
Right, we all know about the “death wobble” and the horrible issues that have plagued Jeeps and Dodges for years. Why would people buy a $60k Tupperware that will be on the side of the road next week?
What do you mean by quality? You mean reliability so stuff does not break? Then why does Range Rover sell for such a high premium or cars made by BMW/Mini and VW/Audi? Even Tesla has had plenty of recalls and quality issues. I don't think that is the issue here. The issue with JEEP is that it was a HOT item during COVID, people went out to nature, get away from cities, lots of people fell in love with off roading with record numbers of new people, but that is slowing down now so the market is flooded with used cars + all the new cars too. Also the Ford Bronco is stealing customers away. Jeep had a good price at the start of COVID but has really increased they showed 30% or whatever, they also have for sale many high trim cars and not enough cheaper lower trim options. RAM was ahead of the other pickup trucks between 2017-2021 it had a very strong run with the most advanced features but Ford and GM and even Toyota have all caught up and gone above RAM . Ford V8 5.0 gets like 23 or whatever MPG which is getting a lot of buyers, a V8 with that MPG is really changing the game, Toyota saw that and decided to stop selling the V8 and went all in with V6 Turbo instead with really nice design and advanced features, they had a defect in the new engine but I am sure they will sort that out. So RAM is in trouble but the EV might do well. I think the hope for RAM is down to the EV push or maybe a new V8 engine but its getting late in the game for that. RAM is also doing other things like the combination of rear locking diff + limited slip diff - I am not sure if they are the first to use that technology but very cool I can see them get at least some buyers just for that but we will see.
The discontinuation of the Dodge Grand Caravan and Dodge Journey after 2020 marked the end of Stellantis' affordable vehicles and profits falling dramatically. Most of Stellantis' new vehicles today cost 2-3 times more than Toyota or Honda. Nobody would do that.
To top it off, their finance wing would actually approve people with little more than a pulse, to purchase cars with those same markups. Now, Stellantis vehicles top the list in repossessions.
They will just lower the prices until they sell...congratulations you passed econ 101, but think someone is getting "what they deserve". Wow. Harris supporters are dumb.
Until your car needs warranty work and you have no certified repair shops to do the work... Aka tesla lol. They need to find a way to get rid of dealers while keeping the dealer network
Why would I ever buy extended warranty from stealerships to begin with? There are better 3rd party bumper to bumper coverages at better prices, and with bigger service networks. Just do some research. Slim pickings for CA, but they’re around.
@@GotKimchi Dealer techs are horrible in most cases. Much better off taking it to a good private mechanic. Most of the companies don't uphold to the warranties anyway. Dealers did themselves in with all the markups during COVID. No one feels bad for them.
Stellantis = Fiat/Maserati/Alpha Romeo = Italian = Junk There's a reason why most car enthusiasts say Italian manufacturing is garbage. Just look at their pride and joy Ferrari. Have you ever looked at them up close? They are put together like a Tesla: Ready to fall apart like Lego.
When you produce product that fails and constantly needs repair while being overpriced usually leads to a downturn of sales. The chase for profit and not supporting a good product leads to disaster
During covid car companies got greedy and started to jack up prices and now they're learning people dont want to pay luxury car prices for a freaking Dodge
dealers, those owners and sales people are all liers , up selling, gouging, stealing , add on non sense fees never believe anything these people say or do, if you do it will cost you money.
The dealer looked like a pr*ck. He said "it's like loading a shotgun with one bullet and having to shoot 6 deer". First of all, shotguns take shells, not bullets. Secondly, you don't go deer hunting with a shotgun. Is his best friend Tampon Tim?
When a car manufacturer puts a high price tag on junk cars that need major repairs while people are paying around $1000 a month for 5-6 years for, they're not coming back. It's that simple.
My neighbor has had nothing but jeeps. I used to think he was a traveling salesman because his vehicles would be missing for weeks at a time. Turns out he works from home and his jeep is always in and out of the shop for random fails.
@@Inferno45 It's because your Jeep is older. I have a 2006 Rubicon with over 400k miles, but it is a rock crawler. I don't commute and use an Acura to get around.
A dude on my street *_just had_* to get a Gladiator. He says he really wants to love it but just can't (very problem-prone) and overall really regrets getting it. He says he's ditching it when the warranty approaches expiration.
CDJR dealer tech here. It isn't just the pricing, our reliability has never been worse. 1/5 vehicles sold in 2024 return for service within the first year for all kinds of issues. The 4XEs are catching on fire and throw a CEL every other month it seems. Total trash vehicles.
They are also built and assembled by Overpaid American workers and since some one has to pay for their wage increases it is passed on to the customer to pay more and more for their wage increases. Nah I rather buy vehicles made overseas that are actually Affordable like Japanese, Chinese and Mexican made, but definitely Not made in USA.
Cdjr service porter Here the customer also are very not bright cause when I go into there vehicles I look at the dashboard iam like wat is wrong with these vehicles n why i don't see any lights on n also the service managers sucks to when I ask the customer whos there service advisor is they tell me they don't know so I go to my manager n they look at me like why you asking me?
@@jamesodell3064 True, but Toyota is a Japanese manufacturer first and their standards for quality are much higher than Ford, GM, and Stellantis and that's a fact. Eventhough they are built in USA their quality standards are much higher than the domestic manufacturers.
They need to focus on reliability... Chrysler, Ram, Dodge and Jeep are constantly a top of least reliable brands year in and year out. No body wants to buy a $20K vehicle for $70K.
we decided not to buy another wrangler because they discontinued the lifetime warranty option. We kept our last jeep for 14 years and told salesman over and over that we would never buy another one without that option even if it cost $5000. We pay 2500 for it back in 2011. So we would’ve paid retail plus the 5000 extra but instead bought a bronco, because the lifetime warranty tipped it into the jeep’s favor. Without that we are not loyal to the brand.
@@fakedazzlefulAt least those two have brand prestige. They’re also models of luxury brands where Wagoneer is just an oversized jeep with bunch of creature comforts.
The jeep isn’t established for reliability and luxury yet like Escalade any limo service would choose an Escalade every day of the week before a creaky jeep
Jeep fan boy here: Quality, at least on the Wranglers, is awful. Pricing is ridiculous. A cylinder head shouldn't need to be replaced at 60k miles, body panels should be aligned at delivery, parking brakes shouldn't fail, every JL and JT made will have body corrosion issues that Jeep is fixing at a cost of $12-$15k per Jeep. This is all basic stuff. To get a similarly equipped Wrangler as the one I purchased in 2017 it would be 2x the price, at least. Does Stellantis really think their loyal customers are getting paychecks twice what they were making 7 years ago. Stellantis management is out of touch with the US customer. And there is no sign of changing.
My dad and I are Jeep fans too and, sadly, I have to agree with you. I can somewhat maneuver around the quality issue because my dad is a mechanic, but I wouldn't dare buy a new Jeep rn at these current prices even though I want a new SUV.
I have a 21 JL and really liked it. The corrosion is enough of an issue to get rid of it. I've heard of some people having to have theirs replaced twice
They make a $100.000 one with a hemi v8. $70K is middle of the road. You can't get a ram truck for less than $55K. That's for one with no carpet, steel wheels and 2 wheel drive.
@ I agree, but 2024 Toyota Tacoma/Tundra are trash with their transmission & engine issues. I’m holding on to my 2018 Tacoma. Zero maintenance issues with that truck. I bought it brand new, tow a boat, and spend a lot of time in the sand.
I just want to buy direct from the manufacturer and avoid the bull$hit that comes with stealerships. No one likes the dance of buying a new car, especially when you're paying over MSRP.
Sir Martin Sorrel. Lad has been making that much since the 00’s. WPP Marketing and Communications. Yes I work in the industry and yes our CEOs are worth that much.
Dealers still had payroll costs, and bills to pay. With the manufacturer not providing inventory for dealers we had to do something to keep the doors open. It was either that or most dealerships would close doors permanently.
I was looking at a new Wrangler Rubicon earlier this year. Sticker was 72k. My last Jeep 2018 Wrangler Rubicon was 33k. They forgot about who actually buys Jeeps and why we buy them. Good luck with that strategy….Yours truly a 6x Jeep owner.
Lots of reasons: Out of touch Corporate greed Bad decisions Bad designs Bad warranty Bad marketing Ridiculous dealership markups Plummeting sales Disregard for their customers needs Poor quality Cost cuttings Overpriced No innovations No quality control No more fun cars No more muscle cars No more HEMI V8s And no more hellcats That's why they're not doing well. $140k for a Jeep SUV is just soo outrageous at this point. There is a possibility that Chrysler Jeep Dodge and Ram might not be around much longer by 2030.
That is incorrect, Chrysler, Dodge, and RAM are the only ones worth saving in the stellantis group, and if you've been following the news they're likely the ONLY brands that will remain after all the other poor quality european brands go under.
@FrozenDung It's doubtful many Peugeots or related European cars have much influence in the a US. The few Italian cars they have brought here have been mega flops. When you look at the sales of Maserati, Fiat, and Alfa Romeo in the US it makes little since why they are still here all three brands seem to struggle to even move 10k units. The Tonale and Hornet show European cars, at least from Stellantis, will have a up hill battle.
@@FrozenDung It's the forced switch to EVs and the billions Stellantis paid to companies like Tesla, for Biden mandated carbon credits...this is why prices are so high, environmental mandates, Dodge/Chrysler etc. are gas-guzzlers.
@@FrozenDungi think its also due to the different amounts of wear and tear, for example the european car owners on avg drive between 12k and 15k kilometers while americans drive on avg 21.7k kilometers per year so we will encounter more breakdowns simply because we use it a lot more even if they are similar products
I owned a 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee for 6 months, in those 6 months i drove it for 2 months… the other four it sat at the dealership for a blown transmission, leaking engine, and fried electronics… i look at the prices of cars now and think they must be smoking some real good sh*t if they think they can get away with that level of quality in their vehicles for that price.
I absolutely love seeing Stellantis struggling. They are, without question, the worst automotive group. Nearly every brand in the Stellantis umbrella is awful low-quality junk. Their innovation is utterly stalled. The world will be better when they cease to exist and their assets and employees are moved to more productive uses.
Exactly. They are the whirlpool of the automotive world.... ancient designs that were terrible when new, re-hashed over and over because Americans historically would buy anything with an american flag on the box. lol
Thats funny cause Chrysler, Dodge, and RAM have above average reliability and score higher than most german brands. But I agree, the european brands in the stellantis group are absolutely awful cars.
Actually, their European brands are very good. Peugeot, Citroen, DS and Opel make excellent crossovers. Great interior quality, great fuel economy, pleasant ride, very modern too. It is just the US market that gets the bottom of the barrel brands and designs
@@muellerpkfords are sitting too. They were slashing prices on the 24’s as soon as they hit the lots. Dealers still have 23 bronco raptors priced at 80k, while ford is rolling the new one out at 90+. They have other vehicles that are still selling, making them profitable
I own a 2018 GMC that I bought used right before the pandemic hit for $31k. For giggles, I priced out a new one the other day and it was $67k... High Country and King Ranch trims will get you 100k out the door...granted those are the luxury trims but still at the end of the day its still a Silverado 1500 and Ford F150
Used to sell dodge chrysler jeep & ram for years. Alot of subprime customers purchase these vehicles at high aprs too, cars are priced too high, quality is crap, constant issues with their vehicles. They dug their own grave!
@@sidjt I guess off roaders are a 'form follows function' design BUT the Gladiator barely fits in an average parking spot and the rear seat is cramped.
Like the American say. They love simple things like iphone that look big outside but simple inside unlike android that look simple outside but big inside
It really amused me that the dealers are complaining about possibly slow future EV sales when their lots are already full of very expensive gas trucks & SUVs. Maybe if dealers focused on moving the metal they already, sales will go up.
Where in a nearby Toyota dealer that is selling 6x more than that in a month. The reason is cost and reliability. In today's economy, not many can afford a 80k truck and SUV to get decent features in a car.
@@naderkavandi they are still very reliable, just dont buy the first generation of anything especially if its made in the usa, any model toyota that comes from japan is A+++
Everyone is freaking out about the engine recall but they are over looking how Toyota handles its issues versus others. Toyota is replacing the engine. The issue is with the 22-23 model tundra non hybrid engines. The 24’s are good. I have a 23 with no issues
I own a start up local trash collection service and am in the market for a 3/4 Ton truck. I'll tell you the damn issue, 50-80k for a new truck! No cheap option for just a good ole work truck. I DONT NEED heated seats, power windows, some BS touch display radio or touchscreen interface. Why the hell don't we have an option for a strong barebones truck for 13-20k?
I agree but you’ll have to go with an older truck. It’s more worth it these days to get an old Toyota/Ford/whatever and then have the engine rebuilt if there are issues.
Don't worry my friend! RAM has your back. They just annouced $1,000 incenctives on 2024 models. What a bargain! Just imagine what that will do to a $65,000 price tag.
In Australia Chrysler is gone, Jeep sales have declined to almost nothing and very few Fiats are being sold. The one Stellantis brand that's got itself a niche market is RAM. Some Australians like the very big US pickup trucks "remanufactured" to right hand drive in Sydney. But I've heard murmurings about quality and reliability with this brand too and after seeing how they do the steering linkage I wouldn't be in any hurry to drive one.
@@prins_af_danmark Holden is gone. GM closed Holden down and took their money and went back to Detroit. They only sell a few right hand drive converted cars from the US now. The last Holdens made in Australia were built in 2017.
The discontinuation of the Dodge Grand Caravan and Dodge Journey after 2020 marked the end of Stellantis' affordable vehicles and profits falling dramatically. Most of Stellantis' new vehicles today cost 2-3 times more than Toyota or Honda. Nobody would do that.
It gets worse… the vehicles you mentioned are built off of a Mercedes platform from 1995! The w210 e-class to be specific. One of the most unreliable Mercedes vehicles mind you. No joke, their previous model (w124) was so reliable that they lost money on it, so they decided to add engineered obsolescence into the w210. The Dodge Charger, Dodge Magnum, Dodge Challenger, and Chrysler 300, are all based off of that very same platform from back when it was Daimler-Chrysler lol.
I used to work at Avis Budget Group, and we always had to send our Jeep Dodge RAM and Chrsyler vehicles all to our supply chain or vend it back to our dealers for an onslought of issues and recalls. Easily our most unreliable models in all of our fleet.
Bring Julianne Iwersen Niemann on the show. She changed my life Financially I managed to grow a nest egg of around 120k to over a Million. I'm especially grateful to Julianne Iwersen Niemann, for her expertise and exposure to different areas of the market.
I appreciate this. After curiously searching her name online and reviewing her credentials, I'm quite impressed. I've contacted her as I could use all the help I can get
The thing is people often doubt the prospects of financial advisors like Julianne Iwersen Niemann in business/markets today. Well it gives me more time to get ahead while they stew in their own pity and doubts as they childishly complain about those spreading the word
Family operates a large auto salvage business. We rebuild alot of the lighter damage on salvage cars and resell them. We dont bother doing that with Jeeps or Chryslers. WE just part them out immediatly. We tear cars down all day every day. When you tear a vehicle down you get to see all its secrets. If you gave me a brand new Jeep I would sell it and buy a mid 90s Cherokee and rebuild it. Anything built by Jeep, Dodge or Chrysler in the last ten years is an overpriced shi*box. Timing followers that disintegrate after 35k. Plastics that fade in the first year. Rubber on the window decks that turns into dust by year four. Wheel bearings that shell out in under 40k. Bushings made from day old bread. Transmission seals made from hope. Oil coolers that literally always leak. And a fit and finish worth about half of what they are asking. Ive torn down stuff from the 90s with 200k thats in better shape than three year old Jeeps. Toss in that the dealership experience is such a beating and I have no idea why people buy these piles of crap, especially for what they are asking. Our entire family drives Toyotas and Hondas. Make whatever you like of that.
@@stopmakingsense9915He’s only slightly exaggerating, and the AMC 4.0 I6 was by far the best engine any Jeep has ever come equipped with. The thing is practically legendary for its simplicity and reliability. I too own a 90’s Jeep and there is exactly no chance I would trade it for a new one.
The major issue not mentioned in the video was that Chrysler was profitable in 1992 when Lee Iacocca retired as CEO. Chrysler CEO Robert Eaton agreed to a "merger" with Daimler in 1999. Daimler completely gutted Chrysler's marketing, future product development plans and replaced the engineering management with Daimler managers. When Daimler decided the merger was a bad idea, they sold it off to Cerberus Capital Management in 2007. CCM didn't have a clue what to do with Chrysler, so they hired Robert Nardelli who was forced out as CEO at Home Depot. The joke was Nardelli went from selling spackle to cars and knew nothing about either one. In 2009 CCM declared bankruptcy for Chrysler Group and the government negotiated a deal with ownership shared by the UAW and Fiat. Fiat eventually bought out the UAW and created Fiat-Chrysler Auto. In 2021 FCA and PSA merged to form the current Stellantis. During all this time the remnants of CDJR saw almost no new product development and very little new models and almost zero innovation in 20 years. Stellantis' major market is in Europe - a very different market than the US. They're concentrating on conforming to the EU zero emission vehicles by 2035. That market isn't as likely to be embraced by the US public and the CDJR sales are too low to justify the investment to create new vehicles just for the US market.
Chrysler Corporation had a high quality reputation when the founder Walter and his handpicked successor K.T. Keller ran the company. But the radical cars that sold well in 1957 were the beginning of the company's slide toward bankruptcy in 1979. The compact Dart and Valiant were the quality exception but contributed almost no profit.
Once any family company goes corporate, its quality goes out. Like here in Oregon local tire company that covered a few states in the Pacific Northwest, called Les Schwab. Once Mr. Schwab died, his family sold, went corporate. I was a 40 year customer. I no longer do business with them. Quality and service now sucks.
The problem is the prices are insane. I bought a 50k jeep in 2019 and was able to get it for 40k without a struggle. They were over pricing the cars just to give a fake discount. That same jeep is now 60k and I can get 10k off at any dealership. My 2018 ram pro master was 32k new-a new identicle one is 52k. There is no reason for the dramatic price increase when they were already raising the prices to offer fake discounts
In Europe the tonale is 50k "base price" but every car in stock starts at 60k in Euro's. Alfa's drive great, but after 5 years the problems going to pop up. If you want to buy new and don't want any hassle just buy a Camry.
people need to know that we as the consumers have the power to change these prices. we need to not buy these overpiced cars. not to mention people willing to get into $700 car payments with 7 year loans
I just bought a new 2023 Challenger. MSRP: $48,900. Purchase price: $36,000+ tax. That's what it took to move a vehicle that had been sitting on the dealer lot for 10 months. Being a manual transmission car probably had something to do with it. Love the car. Happy with the price.
@@Mike-jm5wt Don't laugh but I did get the oil changed. I only run Pennzoil Platinum Plus in my cars. And, after sitting for almost one year with only 29 miles when I picked it up, I figured might as well not risk it for something as cheap as an oil change.
I agree that transmission will last much longer than the automatic counterpart, but will the engine do the same? That’s the issue here. If the engines were made to last 200k plus we wouldn’t even be complaining. Love the sound of an SRT8 coming down the road though!
I only buy manual, it’s the best gear box out their. Why make something simple and reliable more complex and easier for something to go wrong? Manual is best
How is this a surprise to anyone at this point? 70k for a pickup is stupid. 70k for a bad pickup is just ridiculous. Manufactures can figure out how to start selling quality vehicles for reasonable prices or they can sink. It's up to them. My local Dodge dealer has over ten 2023 Rams with big dumb wheels just sitting on their lot all with $80k asking prices. Normal people are not willing to waste money like that even if you have a lot of it.
Hi Dan. Yeah, I think back to when a pickup truck was a work vehicle, and then became a status symbol to feed ego's. I'm 82 now (can still do it tho) and I long ago gave up the thought of ever driving a new vehicle. Have a great day and keep on truckin' bro. Don, from greater Boston.
Overpriced vehicles, poor fuel economy & long-term reliability are the biggest factors. We want to save money! Would love to buy a Ford or Chevy, but U.S. vehicles are many miles behind the Asian brands.
this is the most stupid comment I have ever read- the shareholders - really? Without shareholders there would be no companies - without companies there would be no jobs- without jobs there would be no tax revenue - without tax revenue the government could not afford to feed you- without food, you will die.
Thank our government for that. I'm actually very happy with my '17 Ram, but of course it has the Hemi. It's generally a pretty reliable powertrain. The current generation of Rams have lost the plot.
Jeeps should be cheap, rugged, and fun. However, the price is now within striking distance of many other well-tested and renowned luxury vehicles. Jeep threw out its customer base to move upmarket, and it's biting them in the ass. Of the 1,304 Wranglers in my vicinity, FOUR are under $40,000! Jeep's fully decked-out Wrangler models breach $100k! Many people still love the brand, but the C-suite executives lost their minds around 2019/2020, and quality has declined for the last 20 years. It is astonishing that Jeep is now facing financial struggles when the writing has been on the wall since the mid-2000s.
The biggest problem is Stellantis is treating the US market like it’s the European mass market. Their US brands fill in a specific niche and they need to realize that. Jeep is known to be rugged and off-road oriented, Dodge made its name as a performance brand, and Rams are known to be workhorses. While it sucks that the market is shifting, the fact that Ford, GM, and even European brands such as Mercedes and VW can find a balance shows Stellantis can learn a thing or two from them.
Went car shopping 2 months ago, went to 5-7 American car brand dealerships……every last one of them was OVER PRICE and lacking customer service skills. 😐 Ended up going with Honda, reliability and over all VALUE is what’s important to Americans. Love my new JAPANESE CAR 🫡
I had a Jeep Compass as my first car. I vouched never buy an American Car again. Bought a RAV4 and excellent, never had a single issue. People want reliable cars, step it up!
If product development ever decided to do some grass roots research they would realize that.Trouble is very few organizations ask the man or women what they want. Their loss.
Chrysler and Jeep have had HUGE quality issues for many years which has put them far behind companies like Toyota, Subaru and Honda. And they charge ridiculous prices for this product. Focus on quality!
I ran a repair shop back in the mid 60's, and lemme tell ya .. I used to dread seeing a MoPar pull in for repairs! The engineering was a horror show, as it seemed that, to get to a problem under the hood, one had to remove other parts to get to it. I could go on & one, but Chrysler was a joke back then. Pontiac on the other hand was a dream to work on, as the engineering took into account the poor guy turning a wrench. Now, God Bless Toyota and Honda. smh
Stellantis used to occupy the "cheap" space in the American market which made the quality not as much of a factor for some buyers. Now Stellantis is trying to occupy the "premium" space with a low quality product. 2023 models still on dealership lots is the result lol
I was watching something that talked about the direct run rate at CDJR plants(which is the % of vehicles that leave the pay point in a saleable state with no recorded defects) and it was something like 64%. I work at a GM factory, and if we were running a DRR of 64, we'd be stopping production that day. We'd be stopping on every single job to inspect everything we just did. A DRR of 64 is completely unacceptable. Our plant prides itself on never having a manufacturing related recall on our vehicles, something our in-plant management takes very seriously. No wonder why nobody wants to buy one of those products, if I worked there, I'd be telling everyone not to buy them!
@@vm-my6hg What’s the excuse for Ford? They keep putting v8s in the mustang, why not tweak the hemi to become more efficient vs just getting rid of it all together? With the ID? I lost a bet
@@KillMonger312 Ford has the more successful hybrid & EV lineup to stay in the V8 game for a bit longer, but that's just a matter of time. Elections do have consequences.
Crazy. My Ram turned out to be lemon, here in CA. Surrendering it tomorrow to be exact. Never buying another Stellantis/Chrysler vehicle again, unless it’s an old dodge or ram truck.
People: cars are overpriced. We can’t afford these vehicles and interest rates are too high. Stellantis: We have new vehicles coming out. I guess they want EV’s.
It doesn’t matter that you bring new competitive and upcoming products if costumers CAN’T afford them. No one is asking for the premium added to these vehicles
Im a 4th gen Ram 1500 owner, and (In my opinion) the issue that also hurts this brand (not this issue alone, but it adds to the rest) It is the MDS system. (Aka Multi-Displacement System, it deactivates 4 cylinders while at steady speeds above 20mph) The engine is great when it’s getting enough oil on the top half of the engine. (Not enough oil on lifters at idle) I now have to get the top half of my engine rebuilt, I drop it off in a couple weeks, and the mechanic will have it for 3-5 days, because the MDS system, and th low volume factory oil pump, caused my stock cam and lifters to grind. Thats roughly $6k in parts and labor. If you have the MDS in your truck, and you haven’t had the hemi lifter issues, I strongly recommend, You have upgrade to a high volume oil pump so the top half of the engine gets enough oil at any RPM, to prevent the lifter issue. And for those reasons becoming so well known here lately, and the high price of Rams, at almost $70-80k for a Laramie 4x4. Thats insane. I believe those issues and more are chasing people away from the brand. However, You still have the random “impulse” buyers from some people getting the newer Rams, and yes they’re great looking trucks with amazing features, but they are also being snaked by sleazy salesman not telling them the truth about the MDS system. So if you have a MDS Hemi vehicle and you haven’t experienced the “Tick” yet, I HIGHLY recommend a High Volume oil pump to prevent this catastrophe. Hopefully Ram gets this gets fixed.
Oh OK. I thought what hurt the brand was the poor component quality, de abysmal resell value, the lack of customer service at the dealerships, the Overpriced design over supstance vehicles, the oem parts that fail too soon and are too expensive to replace. No, it's the... (checks OPs post) mds. Another car that promises to get fixed with a 'software' update.
Teach me more. I have a Ram and had so many issues but I use it for my business so is it not my personal cost but still already $6k in cost for repairs.
@@efraingomez9365 Its terrible, some peoples ram trucks are acting up at 80k, some at 150k. It all depends how often you change your oil, and how long you leave it idle. Long idles is terrible for Rams with MDS, Mine is a 2012 4th gen and my tap started a few weeks ago at 207k miles.
My grandfather built Chrysler products for 30 years, and growing up we only ever owned Dodges specifically. Will never get one again. Parents now driving Chevy & Hyundai, I’m in a VW…
way back they already tried a big merger before. British Leyland, was an absolute disaster, i see a lot similarity with this merger. lets hope it does not end the same way as they did...
The issue with Stellantis? One word: Tavares! His only goal was to gut the company to show high profits and be able to give himself a percentage of those profits as bonuses. He doesn’t care what happens to the company, he only cares about his own pocket and I’m willing to bet the board has finally picked up on this. I’m a Stellantis dealer, and I’ve been saying this about Tavares for over two years but no one was listening.
My new Ram is $10k more than the previous with IMMENSELY less features! No dual zone climate control, no AC outlet, no remote start, no step rails, no bed cover, no garage door buttons, not even a vanity mirror on the drivers side! I'm beyond disappointed with this Ram and this is my 5th! Been loyal but that's worthless. AWFUL leadership wrecked a solid company and great products. Next truck is best bang for my buck.
I am forced to drive a Dodge truck for work. Let me explain to Dodge why they aren't selling: -overpriced -cheaply made -who wants to drive anything where the shifter is a turn knob?! Really? - vehicles are underpowered, especially their vans and trucks - did I mention they're overpriced?
Same price as other brands . Made with parts from manufacturers that build parts for other car manufacturers . Most auto manufacturers have a dial or push button transmission shifter now . Underpowered ? What engine were you using ? Same price point as other manufacturers.
@@toledojeeper2932 no, a 3500 promaster shouldnt be 60 grand. The suspension sucks. It either bounces like crazy when it's empty, or drags like hell when it's got a load in it. The entire vehicle is cheaply made. For example, the door trim is falling off after less than 2 months use. That's just one of many things I could list. Dodge has gone down the toilet in quality. For that same price, I could get a Mercedes cargo van. As far as under powered, it's probably a combination of the engine being tuned wrong, and the transmission being crap. It takes off having to pull 3k rpm just to accelerate "normally". Anyways, yes, in my opinion, Dodge has gone the way of cheap crap. It's a shame.
If car manufacturers could make a car that actually lasts 20 years with regular maintenance, that would be great! Planned obsolescence is a real thing and we need to stop it. Period. These things are possible, but the profit margin will not be the same.
@@soccerguy2433 more R&D to increase the quality of their products as Toyota and Honda did in the past would greatly increase the longevity of their autos though.
Dealerships have become everyone's nemesis. It's almost like they do it intentionally. Inflating car prices over MSRP is one thing, but they even inflate their parts prices. I buy my parts online as much as possible, but I have a local dealer that I'll go to if I need something faster, and the parts aren't 10 to 20 percent higher like you'd expect so they can cover their costs. They're sometimes 400% higher. It's insane. Then you go in to get some basic work or inspection done and they basically come back quoting you a whole new car because they don't diagnose the issue fully. They just start replacing components. Short in the wire? They'll recommend an entire harness replacement at a cost of $6k. The problem is if you want to buy a new car, the dealership is usually a necessary evil in most states. And they choose to take advantage of that. Really sad.
These always feel like ads for these companies. Why are they struggling? Making inferior products to what Honda/Toyota churn out AND charging more than $20K per vehicle. Simply put: No one needs nor wants nor asked for a touchscreen to be in the center console. There, I saved everyone 16 minutes of their lives.
100K for the Wagoneer? 70k for a jeep? Plummeting sales, bad decisions and 40 million for the CEO? what could have gone wrong!
Imagine spending 100k on a jeep 😭😭😭
@@SparklingWalrus NEVER!
Ford only has 40k vehicles and up too
Rich people like to stay that way.
@@F0XRunner I asked my dad the same question and his eyes went wide😭😭😭
They were doing pandemic price gouging like everyone else, but got caught without a chair when the music stopped. I have no sympathy.
Exactly, I hope karma got Fiat, Crysler, dodge! Shame
Caught without a chair when the music stopped. That’s a hard bar!
Well said.
You nailed it. They can keep their subpar, expensive vehicles for themselves
It was less price gouging and more a market reality. They could keep prices low and sell out. Then go months without getting new vehicles in their inventory. By that time salesmen working on commission would have had to leave because they didn't have a product to sell. By the time new vehicles are available there is no one to sell them.
Brings tears of joy to my eyes knowing these companies are suffering after taking advantage of its customers for years. What comes around goes around.
Dodge trying to sell a sedan that had the same interior since 2015 for a 6 figure price tag is hysterical to me, the engineers can’t seem to design the vehicles correctly too. What happened to the engineers who were also mechanics?
Look at Acura, with the RDX having the battery at a Hard-to-Reach placement.
They deserve their downfall. Jeep isn’t what i used to know.
My friend treasures his 1994 Wrangler Rio Grande, why? Because its mechanically engineered correctly.
Full-on Computerization is a massive failure to modern vehicles. Especially modern BMWs not having a dipstick…
I bought a new 2024 RAM on October 5 from our local dealership. A beautiful autum Saturday. I was at the dealership from 945 AM until 3 PM. Not one other customer came in to the sales deptartment. Not one.
They were all over at the Ford dealer!😂
@@jeffmiller3150 toyota dealer friend
When you try to charge $80,000 for a $20,000 vehicle, people aren't going to buy them. What a shocker!
Like most things!
Ford only has 40k and up vehicles on their lots
@@rethinkrichno the companies are only making 4dr trucks with push button start and infotainment centers, 4 cylinders, and only producing the high end vehicles. Volkswagen still makes a 23k car unlike Ford who stopped cars unless it's a mustang
The era of the $20K vehicle is long gone, except for the used market
In europe we at least have dacia
You can have one for as low as 14.000eur
So, you're telling me the same dealers and auto-makers who scalped the heck out of the customers are now facing dire times?
Well, let me pretend to care.
😂😂
When they were a high volume company the dealers were not so desperate to scalp. They had busy salespeople and mechanics... now not so much. Anything they can sell they have to make as much as they can on it.
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I could care less about them, they should be sold off or shut down
I don't blame you. Stellantis is known for making junk. Unions are the most incompetent employees on the planet.
Former Stellantis owner (Jeep) here. Delivered a Jeep with a bad 3.6L engine, which needed to be rebuilt after 250 miles. It was a lemon and they fought me saying "these things happen." Let them go bankrupt and don't bail them out.
Lmfao i bought a $85k ram that had a variety of issues including inside cabin wind noise which it still has they pretty much told me to stick it and never resolved my issues my car was at the dealer for (3) months before i took it back cause they weren't even touching it it was just sitting there for 3 months untouched. Let them burn baby burnnn
"Let them go bankrupt"? Hey this is capitalist America, be patriotic, whether Rep. or Dem. we bail out auto, wall street, oil, etc, so that they continue doing what they do.
But this things DOES happen and there are even bad designs - and sometimes it is figured out after sales started! Remember Samsung Note and exploding batteries? Or more recent Boeing Max? If a company honestly tries to resolve the issue, I don't think the society should be punished by this company going bankrupt. On the other hand, if it doesn't try...
Just saw a video here of someone’s brand new Jeep bricking with only 44mi on the odo 🤦♂️
Yes, these things happen, and when they do, the warranty takes care of it.
They’re failing due to highly inflated prices and unreliable vehicles. It’s widely known that Chrysler, dodge and jeep are the most unreliable American vehicle brands. And people don’t want to pay $70k for an unreliable jeep when you can spend that same 70k on a very reliable Toyota 4Runner instead. You reputation and your pricing are very important parts of what makes you relevant in the market.
I have several friends who own 20-30 year old Jeeps. One has a YJ from 1991 and plans to never part with it. It's reliable, easy to maintain and it's fun to drive. He and several of his friends will stay with the old reliable straight six and never consider any of the new stuff that's destroying Jeep's reputation. Management needs to lose the attitude that they know what's best for Jeep. If they keep going in this manner, Jeep is dead... it hasn't quite stopped ticking just yet..... 🤨 👎
Yet last year everybody was cheering when the new UAW contract was announced. Is anybody cheering now?
Its laughable that the dealer refuses to accept any blame in this. I guess marking up your vehicles thousands above MSRP didnt work out long term for customer loyalty.
people dont understand them marking up the mark up
True that!
Man, I noted down all the dealers in my areas that had Markups and will never do business there.
Im In the PA area and there’s a retired race car driver who owns a plethora of dealerships up here (Bobby Rahal). He refused to do any markups on his inventory, for as long as I’m in the area I’ll be doing my business there.
All these dealerships claimed to have the customers best interest at heart. Yet the moment they gained they upper hand exploitation followed.
Went shopping for an HD truck at the end of last year. Found an F250 to test drive. Noticed they had marked it up over MSRP.
Talked to the sales manager briefly and ended the convo with "yeah thanks, it's a nice truck, but you marked it up $6,000 over MSRP so you'll never see me again."
And I will never ever give that dealership a single cent.
Conversely, the dealership I bought my truck from gave me invoice pricing on a brand new, high trim truck that I custom ordered, and then installed a couple of minor mods for me for free. That's how you treat customers.
@@Jbghkkjkkyyfyup, I'm in central PA, I've driven oast the Bobby Rahal dealerships many times, good to know they are legit.
FYI, Hoffman Ford was the dealership with markups, L.B. Smith is where I got my truck with the discount and never did markups (as far as I know).
Took bro 16 minutes to articulate the fact that Stellantis brands are poor quality and too expensive. This could’ve been a RUclips short
Bro misses highschool homework of stretching 250 words into a 1000 word essay.
Shorts are more difficult to monetize
people nee to understand that we hold the power. we dont have to buy these over prices cars. we can dictate the price but people kept buying these cars at insane prices
in all fairness i think most people knew that before clicking on the video
No I like the interviews
Simply because they are way overpriced for very subpar quality
Car industry shocked no one wants to pay $50k for a car that will last 2-3 years like a cellphone
It's all about the quality. CNBC are idiots
dodge, jeep and chrysler owners are constantly made fun of, and most people dont know theyre all made by the same company
Right, we all know about the “death wobble” and the horrible issues that have plagued Jeeps and Dodges for years. Why would people buy a $60k Tupperware that will be on the side of the road next week?
What do you mean by quality? You mean reliability so stuff does not break? Then why does Range Rover sell for such a high premium or cars made by BMW/Mini and VW/Audi? Even Tesla has had plenty of recalls and quality issues. I don't think that is the issue here.
The issue with JEEP is that it was a HOT item during COVID, people went out to nature, get away from cities, lots of people fell in love with off roading with record numbers of new people, but that is slowing down now so the market is flooded with used cars + all the new cars too. Also the Ford Bronco is stealing customers away. Jeep had a good price at the start of COVID but has really increased they showed 30% or whatever, they also have for sale many high trim cars and not enough cheaper lower trim options.
RAM was ahead of the other pickup trucks between 2017-2021 it had a very strong run with the most advanced features but Ford and GM and even Toyota have all caught up and gone above RAM . Ford V8 5.0 gets like 23 or whatever MPG which is getting a lot of buyers, a V8 with that MPG is really changing the game, Toyota saw that and decided to stop selling the V8 and went all in with V6 Turbo instead with really nice design and advanced features, they had a defect in the new engine but I am sure they will sort that out. So RAM is in trouble but the EV might do well. I think the hope for RAM is down to the EV push or maybe a new V8 engine but its getting late in the game for that. RAM is also doing other things like the combination of rear locking diff + limited slip diff - I am not sure if they are the first to use that technology but very cool I can see them get at least some buyers just for that but we will see.
The discontinuation of the Dodge Grand Caravan and Dodge Journey after 2020 marked the end of Stellantis' affordable vehicles and profits falling dramatically. Most of Stellantis' new vehicles today cost 2-3 times more than Toyota or Honda. Nobody would do that.
And the quality has tanked over the last 25 years.
I dont want a pickup truck, i want a sedan
@@wilkinsandwontinsachievemu3772 I want a station wagon. Best vehicle shape ever.
@@histriamagna1014 Perfect for cargo space, minor off-roading and a family
Saw my brothers Caravan’s transmission go out at 65,000 miles lucky he bought the extended warranty 😏
Not too long ago their dealerships wanted 10-20k markup over MSRP, if they go under, they deserve it
Naturally, the US government will bail Chrysler out for a 4th time.
To top it off, their finance wing would actually approve people with little more than a pulse, to purchase cars with those same markups. Now, Stellantis vehicles top the list in repossessions.
They will just lower the prices until they sell...congratulations you passed econ 101, but think someone is getting "what they deserve". Wow. Harris supporters are dumb.
I worked for Chrysler years ago, and not one of the salesmen at the dealership owned a Chrysler 😂
What car did they own haha just curious
What car did they own just curious haha
Chrysler is for suckers.
@@Cf-123-v9uwhere I work as a tech, only one of us in the shop drives our products. We all drive Chevy or Toyota (myself included).
Friends don't let friends buy Chryslers.
Dealers struggling.... I'll shed a tear .... Of joy
Let's cry
Until your car needs warranty work and you have no certified repair shops to do the work... Aka tesla lol. They need to find a way to get rid of dealers while keeping the dealer network
Why would I ever buy extended warranty from stealerships to begin with?
There are better 3rd party bumper to bumper coverages at better prices, and with bigger service networks.
Just do some research. Slim pickings for CA, but they’re around.
@@GotKimchiditch dealers, certify repair shops, this isn't hard.
@@GotKimchi Dealer techs are horrible in most cases. Much better off taking it to a good private mechanic. Most of the companies don't uphold to the warranties anyway. Dealers did themselves in with all the markups during COVID. No one feels bad for them.
This is the first CNBC reportage I've been able to watch until the end, congratulations
Let me save you 16 minutes of your life. These cars don’t sell because their quality is a$$. 😂😂
BINGO….🎉🎉🎉 not enough dumb folks to buy ford 🤢 of Dodge P.OS cars.
Thank you for your service sir
And way overpriced
I thought the same.
Too much money, for garbage quality
Thanks. They take forever to get the point
Stellantis wanted to find out how much buyers would pay for their cars. They found out.
Consumers burst their bubble 😂
@frankcoffey play a stupid game get a stupid prize
People still buying but I’m not sure how
@@VON-92 or why.
@@hm12460 right
Lack of competitive products. Overpriced. Poor quality. Ancient products
Stellantis = Fiat/Maserati/Alpha Romeo = Italian = Junk
There's a reason why most car enthusiasts say Italian manufacturing is garbage. Just look at their pride and joy Ferrari. Have you ever looked at them up close? They are put together like a Tesla: Ready to fall apart like Lego.
Lol BS😂 @@iu2
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plus their premium products like Maserati and Alfa Romeo are closing dealerships like crazy. there were four in my area now there is one left.
Gotta spend money to executives, not product development.
When you produce product that fails and constantly needs repair while being overpriced usually leads to a downturn of sales. The chase for profit and not supporting a good product leads to disaster
Let them all fail. No bailouts this time. This is what happens when you’re greedy. Now, if we could only apply this pressure to the food industry
During covid car companies got greedy and started to jack up prices and now they're learning people dont want to pay luxury car prices for a freaking Dodge
Volvo, vs Dodge. I know what I chose.
The problem also came from the Steel and Aluminum tariffs. Ford said a third of their price increase came from those tariffs.
basketball americans will and then get repoed a month later
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they used supply issues as an excuse, and now wonder why people have stopped buying
I bet you a dollar that the dealer shown in the video was gladly marking up the msrp on vehicles and saying its "market adjustment demand"
Don’t forget the nitrogen and tinted windows
dealers, those owners and sales people are all liers , up selling, gouging, stealing , add on non sense fees never believe anything these people say or do, if you do it will cost you money.
@@clevejason i'd rather get the etch, lojack, and the pre-delivery inspection trifecta.
The dealer looked like a pr*ck. He said "it's like loading a shotgun with one bullet and having to shoot 6 deer". First of all, shotguns take shells, not bullets. Secondly, you don't go deer hunting with a shotgun. Is his best friend Tampon Tim?
When a car manufacturer puts a high price tag on junk cars that need major repairs while people are paying around $1000 a month for 5-6 years for, they're not coming back. It's that simple.
My neighbor has had nothing but jeeps. I used to think he was a traveling salesman because his vehicles would be missing for weeks at a time. Turns out he works from home and his jeep is always in and out of the shop for random fails.
Hahahahahha
and they want to charge you $60+ thousand too
Ok they aren’t that bad lol. I own one with 150k miles and it runs fine. Its not even rusty.
@@Inferno45 It's because your Jeep is older. I have a 2006 Rubicon with over 400k miles, but it is a rock crawler. I don't commute and use an Acura to get around.
A dude on my street *_just had_* to get a Gladiator. He says he really wants to love it but just can't (very problem-prone) and overall really regrets getting it. He says he's ditching it when the warranty approaches expiration.
CDJR dealer tech here. It isn't just the pricing, our reliability has never been worse. 1/5 vehicles sold in 2024 return for service within the first year for all kinds of issues. The 4XEs are catching on fire and throw a CEL every other month it seems. Total trash vehicles.
They are also built and assembled by Overpaid American workers and since some one has to pay for their wage increases it is passed on to the customer to pay more and more for their wage increases. Nah I rather buy vehicles made overseas that are actually Affordable like Japanese, Chinese and Mexican made, but definitely Not made in USA.
Cdjr service porter Here the customer also are very not bright cause when I go into there vehicles I look at the dashboard iam like wat is wrong with these vehicles n why i don't see any lights on n also the service managers sucks to when I ask the customer whos there service advisor is they tell me they don't know so I go to my manager n they look at me like why you asking me?
Not to mention the service centers act like every problem is news to them and refuse to acknowledge any issues.
@@RespectfullyHumble My Camry was build here in the U.S. and it is a great car.
@@jamesodell3064 True, but Toyota is a Japanese manufacturer first and their standards for quality are much higher than Ford, GM, and Stellantis and that's a fact. Eventhough they are built in USA their quality standards are much higher than the domestic manufacturers.
They need to focus on reliability... Chrysler, Ram, Dodge and Jeep are constantly a top of least reliable brands year in and year out. No body wants to buy a $20K vehicle for $70K.
The crap they build is never going to be reliable. It’s garbage.
It's only been like that since they sold to stellantis. Prior, those brands were at the top
Dodges and Chryslers (excluding the Pacifica and Caravan " are reliable
They just have low quality interior materials
@@V-10_raptorrI don't think so
we decided not to buy another wrangler because they discontinued the lifetime warranty option. We kept our last jeep for 14 years and told salesman over and over that we would never buy another one without that option even if it cost $5000. We pay 2500 for it back in 2011. So we would’ve paid retail plus the 5000 extra but instead bought a bronco, because the lifetime warranty tipped it into the jeep’s favor. Without that we are not loyal to the brand.
$120k for a Jeep Wagoneer is insane
But it rival car like Cadillac escalade, Lincoln navigator. Thats what mosr reviewers says
@@fakedazzlefulAt least those two have brand prestige. They’re also models of luxury brands where Wagoneer is just an oversized jeep with bunch of creature comforts.
And only available with that POS Hurricant engine.
Its unbelievable even in AUD 😭😭
The jeep isn’t established for reliability and luxury yet like Escalade any limo service would choose an Escalade every day of the week before a creaky jeep
Jeep fan boy here: Quality, at least on the Wranglers, is awful. Pricing is ridiculous. A cylinder head shouldn't need to be replaced at 60k miles, body panels should be aligned at delivery, parking brakes shouldn't fail, every JL and JT made will have body corrosion issues that Jeep is fixing at a cost of $12-$15k per Jeep. This is all basic stuff. To get a similarly equipped Wrangler as the one I purchased in 2017 it would be 2x the price, at least. Does Stellantis really think their loyal customers are getting paychecks twice what they were making 7 years ago. Stellantis management is out of touch with the US customer. And there is no sign of changing.
My dad and I are Jeep fans too and, sadly, I have to agree with you. I can somewhat maneuver around the quality issue because my dad is a mechanic, but I wouldn't dare buy a new Jeep rn at these current prices even though I want a new SUV.
This is why the TJ and XJ resto-mod business is really taking off.
the poor quality wasnt an issue until they started charging landrover prices
I have a 21 JL and really liked it. The corrosion is enough of an issue to get rid of it. I've heard of some people having to have theirs replaced twice
@@JogBird Ha Landrovers are notoriously poorly built too
$70,000.00 for a Jeep Wrangler. What could go wrong?
A lifter
Pretty much everything. It's a heep.
Death wobble?
They make a $100.000 one with a hemi v8. $70K is middle of the road. You can't get a ram truck for less than $55K. That's for one with no carpet, steel wheels and 2 wheel drive.
Nothing, it’ll spend most of its life being cared for in the maintenance bay at the dealership
$80k for a truck that will spend more time in the shop then on the road. Make durable vehicles
Just buy a Toyota or Honda
@ I agree, but 2024 Toyota Tacoma/Tundra are trash with their transmission & engine issues. I’m holding on to my 2018 Tacoma. Zero maintenance issues with that truck. I bought it brand new, tow a boat, and spend a lot of time in the sand.
These dealers were price gouging like crazy a few years back
100% and now theyre crying when it affects them...hilarious
I just want to buy direct from the manufacturer and avoid the bull$hit that comes with stealerships. No one likes the dance of buying a new car, especially when you're paying over MSRP.
still are
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Arent you a CEC man? What gives buy by this Chrysler junk and go over and buy yourself a good Corellian Engineering Corporation YT series freighter.
There isn’t a single ceo worth $40 million A YEAR in any business.
Totally agree.
Elon is
Sir Martin Sorrel. Lad has been making that much since the 00’s. WPP Marketing and Communications. Yes I work in the industry and yes our CEOs are worth that much.
There's no human worth that much. People believe it because the workers have been programmed to believe it. Money and net worth is actually worthless.
We have baseball players making 70 million a year. We have football players making 80 million a year. And those aren't full time jobs.
Something I'll never forget is how some dealers gouged the customer during Covid and supply issues! Don't have much sympathy! Guess it's payback!
Karma!
Dealers still had payroll costs, and bills to pay. With the manufacturer not providing inventory for dealers we had to do something to keep the doors open. It was either that or most dealerships would close doors permanently.
@@Elsalte07 not an excuse to gouged the customer.
@@Ned-r4t customers don’t have to buy cars. Nobody forced them to buy cars. Customers willingly chose to pay over sticker.
I was looking at a new Wrangler Rubicon earlier this year. Sticker was 72k. My last Jeep 2018 Wrangler Rubicon was 33k. They forgot about who actually buys Jeeps and why we buy them. Good luck with that strategy….Yours truly a 6x Jeep owner.
Lots of reasons:
Out of touch
Corporate greed
Bad decisions
Bad designs
Bad warranty
Bad marketing
Ridiculous dealership markups
Plummeting sales
Disregard for their customers needs
Poor quality
Cost cuttings
Overpriced
No innovations
No quality control
No more fun cars
No more muscle cars
No more HEMI V8s
And no more hellcats
That's why they're not doing well. $140k for a Jeep SUV is just soo outrageous at this point. There is a possibility that Chrysler Jeep Dodge and Ram might not be around much longer by 2030.
Also bad management to
That is incorrect, Chrysler, Dodge, and RAM are the only ones worth saving in the stellantis group, and if you've been following the news they're likely the ONLY brands that will remain after all the other poor quality european brands go under.
The corporate greed part is huge
Nobody wants to talk about the absurd prices. Anything more then $30000 for a Jeep is insane. Any jeep. Any size.
30 grand for a new car isn't unreasonable especially when adjusted for inflation. What did Jeeps use to go for?
15 ....25....and maybe topping out at 50 for a loaded grand Cherokee Overland..in the late 90s early to mid 2000s @@samsonsoturian6013
A Dodge Dakota back in the mid 90s was around 26k CDN.
@@alelectric2767that's 48k in current times
Damn right… Charging $90~100k now.
Because they’re not innovative, competitive, or reliable. It really doesn’t make sense to buy one of their products.
Peugeot cars are actually pretty great these days so it is weird they are struggle as stellantis in the USA
@FrozenDung It's doubtful many Peugeots or related European cars have much influence in the a US. The few Italian cars they have brought here have been mega flops. When you look at the sales of Maserati, Fiat, and Alfa Romeo in the US it makes little since why they are still here all three brands seem to struggle to even move 10k units.
The Tonale and Hornet show European cars, at least from Stellantis, will have a up hill battle.
@@FrozenDung It's the forced switch to EVs and the billions Stellantis paid to companies like Tesla, for Biden mandated carbon credits...this is why prices are so high, environmental mandates, Dodge/Chrysler etc. are gas-guzzlers.
@@FrozenDungi think its also due to the different amounts of wear and tear, for example the european car owners on avg drive between 12k and 15k kilometers while americans drive on avg 21.7k kilometers per year so we will encounter more breakdowns simply because we use it a lot more even if they are similar products
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As a Chrysler 300 owner, I agree with everything this video said. Such a shame.
I owned a 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee for 6 months, in those 6 months i drove it for 2 months… the other four it sat at the dealership for a blown transmission, leaking engine, and fried electronics… i look at the prices of cars now and think they must be smoking some real good sh*t if they think they can get away with that level of quality in their vehicles for that price.
I did a project at one of Chrysler's plants, saw them get made. Yeah I wouldn't buy a Jeep either.
Smart people buy Toyota or Honda.
@@josephmartin5409Even those are failing. Massive recalls and lower reliability than years before. I wouldn’t buy a modern Toyota.
@@Kevin-438 true!
@@Kevin-438 Toyotas built in the US are just trash, not japan Toyota quality
even this documentary is fail to pointing it out the problem it isnt about the sale it is all about QUALITY
I absolutely love seeing Stellantis struggling. They are, without question, the worst automotive group. Nearly every brand in the Stellantis umbrella is awful low-quality junk. Their innovation is utterly stalled. The world will be better when they cease to exist and their assets and employees are moved to more productive uses.
Exactly. They are the whirlpool of the automotive world.... ancient designs that were terrible when new, re-hashed over and over because Americans historically would buy anything with an american flag on the box. lol
Thats funny cause Chrysler, Dodge, and RAM have above average reliability and score higher than most german brands. But I agree, the european brands in the stellantis group are absolutely awful cars.
Test drive a an Alfa Romeo Giulia and tell me it’s low quality junk
Actually, their European brands are very good. Peugeot, Citroen, DS and Opel make excellent crossovers. Great interior quality, great fuel economy, pleasant ride, very modern too. It is just the US market that gets the bottom of the barrel brands and designs
Wait until they are 3+ years old, that's the test they have historically failed at.
Overpriced cars, garbage quality! All these auto manufacturers need to pay a price for being greedy and taking advantage of consumers!
I could be wrong, but maybe nobody wants to pay over $100k for a truck?
If I'm paying that kind of money, it BETTER be going towards a HOUSE (or at least a portion of one.)🤔
people pay it for fords regularly
@@muellerpkfords are sitting too. They were slashing prices on the 24’s as soon as they hit the lots. Dealers still have 23 bronco raptors priced at 80k, while ford is rolling the new one out at 90+. They have other vehicles that are still selling, making them profitable
I own a 2018 GMC that I bought used right before the pandemic hit for $31k. For giggles, I priced out a new one the other day and it was $67k... High Country and King Ranch trims will get you 100k out the door...granted those are the luxury trims but still at the end of the day its still a Silverado 1500 and Ford F150
@muellerpk no one paying for ford. Most people i know that drive ford truck arw usually getting them for free from their job.
Used to sell dodge chrysler jeep & ram for years. Alot of subprime customers purchase these vehicles at high aprs too, cars are priced too high, quality is crap, constant issues with their vehicles. They dug their own grave!
You helped dig it if you sold it to them 🤷🏿♀️ I get it, you can’t control what people buy but still.
My personal issue with JEEP is they are MASSIVE on the outside yes tiny on the inside. The Gladiator is an excellent example of that.
Yup always thought that! Among many other issues but this is one not enough people point out for some reason.
The glasiator is a terrible vehicle n design looks like a small hummer
@@sidjt I guess off roaders are a 'form follows function' design BUT the Gladiator barely fits in an average parking spot and the rear seat is cramped.
*If that's the only problem you have with Today's Jeep, then you have bigger problems than the Jeep*
Like the American say. They love simple things like iphone that look big outside but simple inside unlike android that look simple outside but big inside
It really amused me that the dealers are complaining about possibly slow future EV sales when their lots are already full of very expensive gas trucks & SUVs. Maybe if dealers focused on moving the metal they already, sales will go up.
Treat customers like dirt, build low quality cars with bottom of the barrel reliability and price them too high. It’s not hard to understand.
That's about every manufacturer nowadays!
Where in a nearby Toyota dealer that is selling 6x more than that in a month. The reason is cost and reliability.
In today's economy, not many can afford a 80k truck and SUV to get decent features in a car.
I do wish the new Yotas were as reliable as the old ones. They might be still selling fast now but not for too long
@@naderkavandi they are still very reliable, just dont buy the first generation of anything especially if its made in the usa, any model toyota that comes from japan is A+++
Everyone is freaking out about the engine recall but they are over looking how Toyota handles its issues versus others. Toyota is replacing the engine. The issue is with the 22-23 model tundra non hybrid engines. The 24’s are good. I have a 23 with no issues
Make TOYOTA Prius Great Again 😎 Scotty Kilmer
Hondas as well. The 2012 one I got from my dad has yet to break down after all the crap he done with it, and with the shenanigans I've done with it
I own a start up local trash collection service and am in the market for a 3/4 Ton truck. I'll tell you the damn issue, 50-80k for a new truck! No cheap option for just a good ole work truck. I DONT NEED heated seats, power windows, some BS touch display radio or touchscreen interface. Why the hell don't we have an option for a strong barebones truck for 13-20k?
I agree but you’ll have to go with an older truck. It’s more worth it these days to get an old Toyota/Ford/whatever and then have the engine rebuilt if there are issues.
$13k-$20k? Lol.. this isn't 2003
@@chechnya $20k in 03 is just over $30k today. Good luck finding a real truck for that, more like $45-$50k minimum.
Don't worry my friend! RAM has your back. They just annouced $1,000 incenctives on 2024 models. What a bargain! Just imagine what that will do to a $65,000 price tag.
I ran into a similar issue. Can't find a bare bone work truck cheap anymore.
In Australia Chrysler is gone, Jeep sales have declined to almost nothing and very few Fiats are being sold. The one Stellantis brand that's got itself a niche market is RAM. Some Australians like the very big US pickup trucks "remanufactured" to right hand drive in Sydney. But I've heard murmurings about quality and reliability with this brand too and after seeing how they do the steering linkage I wouldn't be in any hurry to drive one.
JUST DRIVE A HOLDEN UTE
@@prins_af_danmark Holden is gone. GM closed Holden down and took their money and went back to Detroit. They only sell a few right hand drive converted cars from the US now. The last Holdens made in Australia were built in 2017.
You’re telling me the company that discontinued the Charger/Challenger for EV’s and getting rid of the RAM TRX is now struggling?! I’m shocked.
Also doesn’t help that the CEO of Ram/Dodge “retired”
The discontinuation of the Dodge Grand Caravan and Dodge Journey after 2020 marked the end of Stellantis' affordable vehicles and profits falling dramatically. Most of Stellantis' new vehicles today cost 2-3 times more than Toyota or Honda. Nobody would do that.
I'm sure it's a government regulations
TRX is getting discontinued when literally all they needed to do was not make it worse to beat the new raptors
They sold the Charger and Challenger for almost 20 years and still forgot to design some new cars.
Thank FIAT. American profits went into ALFA redesign. Nobody buys those.
It’s their cash cow from those with poor credit 🤣.
@@HighlordFrancisMy dad has owned nothing but chargers over the last fifteen years. I will never understand why he likes them so much.
It gets worse… the vehicles you mentioned are built off of a Mercedes platform from 1995!
The w210 e-class to be specific. One of the most unreliable Mercedes vehicles mind you. No joke, their previous model (w124) was so reliable that they lost money on it, so they decided to add engineered obsolescence into the w210.
The Dodge Charger, Dodge Magnum, Dodge Challenger, and Chrysler 300, are all based off of that very same platform from back when it was Daimler-Chrysler lol.
My cousin daughter is upside down on her challenger
I used to work at Avis Budget Group, and we always had to send our Jeep Dodge RAM and Chrsyler vehicles all to our supply chain or vend it back to our dealers for an onslought of issues and recalls. Easily our most unreliable models in all of our fleet.
Bring Julianne Iwersen Niemann on the show. She changed my life Financially I managed to grow a nest egg of around 120k to over a Million. I'm especially grateful to Julianne Iwersen Niemann, for her expertise and exposure to different areas of the market.
I’ve heard of her
How can i reach her, if you don't mind me asking?
her name is 'JULIANNE IWERSEN NIEMANN'. Just research the name. You'd find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.
I appreciate this. After curiously searching her name online and reviewing her credentials, I'm quite impressed. I've contacted her as I could use all the help I can get
The thing is people often doubt the prospects of financial advisors like Julianne Iwersen Niemann in business/markets today.
Well it gives me more time to get ahead while they stew in their own pity and doubts as they childishly complain about those spreading the word
So, how do I get scammed, you 🐂 💩 artist?
Simple:
Make expensive, low quality product
Customer buys from competitors
Family operates a large auto salvage business. We rebuild alot of the lighter damage on salvage cars and resell them. We dont bother doing that with Jeeps or Chryslers. WE just part them out immediatly. We tear cars down all day every day. When you tear a vehicle down you get to see all its secrets. If you gave me a brand new Jeep I would sell it and buy a mid 90s Cherokee and rebuild it. Anything built by Jeep, Dodge or Chrysler in the last ten years is an overpriced shi*box. Timing followers that disintegrate after 35k. Plastics that fade in the first year. Rubber on the window decks that turns into dust by year four. Wheel bearings that shell out in under 40k. Bushings made from day old bread. Transmission seals made from hope. Oil coolers that literally always leak. And a fit and finish worth about half of what they are asking. Ive torn down stuff from the 90s with 200k thats in better shape than three year old Jeeps. Toss in that the dealership experience is such a beating and I have no idea why people buy these piles of crap, especially for what they are asking. Our entire family drives Toyotas and Hondas. Make whatever you like of that.
What a load of crap, that's what I make of that.
"transmission seals made from hope" 😅😅😅
Don't Sugarcoat it, Pal . . . just tell us what you really feel . . . 😺😺😺
@@stopmakingsense9915He’s only slightly exaggerating, and the AMC 4.0 I6 was by far the best engine any Jeep has ever come equipped with. The thing is practically legendary for its simplicity and reliability. I too own a 90’s Jeep and there is exactly no chance I would trade it for a new one.
*Toyotas and Hondas? I make it that you are smart people. F!;k Detroit brands!*
The major issue not mentioned in the video was that Chrysler was profitable in 1992 when Lee Iacocca retired as CEO. Chrysler CEO Robert Eaton agreed to a "merger" with Daimler in 1999. Daimler completely gutted Chrysler's marketing, future product development plans and replaced the engineering management with Daimler managers. When Daimler decided the merger was a bad idea, they sold it off to Cerberus Capital Management in 2007. CCM didn't have a clue what to do with Chrysler, so they hired Robert Nardelli who was forced out as CEO at Home Depot. The joke was Nardelli went from selling spackle to cars and knew nothing about either one. In 2009 CCM declared bankruptcy for Chrysler Group and the government negotiated a deal with ownership shared by the UAW and Fiat. Fiat eventually bought out the UAW and created Fiat-Chrysler Auto. In 2021 FCA and PSA merged to form the current Stellantis. During all this time the remnants of CDJR saw almost no new product development and very little new models and almost zero innovation in 20 years. Stellantis' major market is in Europe - a very different market than the US. They're concentrating on conforming to the EU zero emission vehicles by 2035. That market isn't as likely to be embraced by the US public and the CDJR sales are too low to justify the investment to create new vehicles just for the US market.
Chrysler Corporation had a high quality reputation when the founder Walter and his handpicked successor K.T. Keller ran the company. But the radical cars that sold well in 1957 were the beginning of the company's slide toward bankruptcy in 1979. The compact Dart and Valiant were the quality exception but contributed almost no profit.
Chrysler is a little like Elizabeth Taylor. Too many husbands.
Chrysler goes broke every ten years. Let it go! Someone will pick up Jeep.
Once any family company goes corporate, its quality goes out.
Like here in Oregon local tire company that covered a few states in the Pacific Northwest, called Les Schwab. Once Mr. Schwab died, his family sold, went corporate. I was a 40 year customer. I no longer do business with them. Quality and service now sucks.
WHEN IACOCCA BECAME CEO, IT WAS 'THE NEW CHRYSLER CORPORATION'.
At 2:52 they say that dealer has 473 cars collectively worth 27 million dollars. That $57000 per vehicle! That's insane. That says it all.
A Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep dealer is like living time capsule. You can see brand new 2022, 2023, 2024, & 2025 vehicles. It’s amazing.
2 reasons, overpriced and poor quality.
I'm a mechanic and if you gave me a Jeep or Chrysler I'd get rid of it. Worse build quality I've seen since the Yugo.
@@patkane761 good to know. Thanks for the tip
Very simple reasons
@@patkane761Agreed after working on a jeep I will never own one
Also lack of models available.
The problem is the prices are insane. I bought a 50k jeep in 2019 and was able to get it for 40k without a struggle. They were over pricing the cars just to give a fake discount. That same jeep is now 60k and I can get 10k off at any dealership. My 2018 ram pro master was 32k new-a new identicle one is 52k. There is no reason for the dramatic price increase when they were already raising the prices to offer fake discounts
Quality has been an issue for over 20 years. People slowly caught on and realized how reliable a car can be.
Heaven forbid if the consumer does not want to pay $60,000 for a Dodge hornet
correction, for an Alfa Romeo Tonale.
In Europe the tonale is 50k "base price" but every car in stock starts at 60k in Euro's. Alfa's drive great, but after 5 years the problems going to pop up. If you want to buy new and don't want any hassle just buy a Camry.
@@peterdevreter Oh Alfa always have gorgeous design, but their reliability drops them by 2-3 tiers in my book.
Who will pay UAW workers $100k+ per year then?
people need to know that we as the consumers have the power to change these prices. we need to not buy these overpiced cars. not to mention people willing to get into $700 car payments with 7 year loans
I just bought a new 2023 Challenger. MSRP: $48,900. Purchase price: $36,000+ tax. That's what it took to move a vehicle that had been sitting on the dealer lot for 10 months. Being a manual transmission car probably had something to do with it. Love the car. Happy with the price.
God save the manuals. Someday, people will be clamoring for a car like yours. EVs mark the end of the enthusiast era
Car needed an annual oil change before it left the lot!
@@Mike-jm5wt Don't laugh but I did get the oil changed. I only run Pennzoil Platinum Plus in my cars. And, after sitting for almost one year with only 29 miles when I picked it up, I figured might as well not risk it for something as cheap as an oil change.
I agree that transmission will last much longer than the automatic counterpart, but will the engine do the same? That’s the issue here. If the engines were made to last 200k plus we wouldn’t even be complaining. Love the sound of an SRT8 coming down the road though!
I only buy manual, it’s the best gear box out their. Why make something simple and reliable more complex and easier for something to go wrong? Manual is best
How is this a surprise to anyone at this point? 70k for a pickup is stupid. 70k for a bad pickup is just ridiculous. Manufactures can figure out how to start selling quality vehicles for reasonable prices or they can sink. It's up to them. My local Dodge dealer has over ten 2023 Rams with big dumb wheels just sitting on their lot all with $80k asking prices. Normal people are not willing to waste money like that even if you have a lot of it.
Hi Dan. Yeah, I think back to when a pickup truck was a work vehicle, and then became a status symbol to feed ego's. I'm 82 now (can still do it tho) and I long ago gave up the thought of ever driving a new vehicle. Have a great day and keep on truckin' bro. Don, from greater Boston.
Not to mention that as soon as you drive off the lot you're going to lose 20k in depreciation. Buying a car is just plain stupid.
Overpriced vehicles, poor fuel economy & long-term reliability are the biggest factors. We want to save money! Would love to buy a Ford or Chevy, but U.S. vehicles are many miles behind the Asian brands.
I think shareholders have honestly ruined everything everywhere.
Gone are the days of companies having a passion to make a quality reliable vehicle.
this is the most stupid comment I have ever read- the shareholders - really? Without shareholders there would be no companies - without companies there would be no jobs- without jobs there would be no tax revenue - without tax revenue the government could not afford to feed you- without food, you will die.
If I want a inline 6, I hop into my BMWs. Dodge/Ram SHOULD be the place to go for that loud HEMI roar, not a turbo inline 6. Sad
Thank our government for that. I'm actually very happy with my '17 Ram, but of course it has the Hemi. It's generally a pretty reliable powertrain. The current generation of Rams have lost the plot.
Didn’t stellantis recently layoff thousands of workers and give it’s ceo millions in bonuses?
Yes
No
Yup
Even if you took the entire ceo salary and bonuses it would barely be 0.05% of revenue. It's totally operationally insignificant
@@ajr993 tell that to the thousands of laid off workers and their families. The ceo should be fired.
I drive a 1997 olds aurora. 100k miles. Cost me $3500. Heated leather seats.
Rent one of their vehicles for a week and you’ll understand why it’s failing
I love my Ram and Grand Cherokee
I did and I went straight back to Mercedes Benz
I own a 21 ram 3500 6.4 and it's been an unmitigated nightmare. If the quality of the truck is a reflection of stelllantis they're doomed
Rusted out yet? Those trucks are bad for rust
I see it at my work iam a cdjr porter
Jeeps should be cheap, rugged, and fun. However, the price is now within striking distance of many other well-tested and renowned luxury vehicles. Jeep threw out its customer base to move upmarket, and it's biting them in the ass. Of the 1,304 Wranglers in my vicinity, FOUR are under $40,000! Jeep's fully decked-out Wrangler models breach $100k! Many people still love the brand, but the C-suite executives lost their minds around 2019/2020, and quality has declined for the last 20 years. It is astonishing that Jeep is now facing financial struggles when the writing has been on the wall since the mid-2000s.
Agreed. People want a bare bones Jeep Wrangler. Give it the very basics and price it competitively. There would be plenty of profit in volume.
The Dodge Hornet is almost 50k. $50,000 for a small SUV with nothing really special, just a re-badge of an Alfa Romeo.
The biggest problem is Stellantis is treating the US market like it’s the European mass market. Their US brands fill in a specific niche and they need to realize that. Jeep is known to be rugged and off-road oriented, Dodge made its name as a performance brand, and Rams are known to be workhorses. While it sucks that the market is shifting, the fact that Ford, GM, and even European brands such as Mercedes and VW can find a balance shows Stellantis can learn a thing or two from them.
I totally agree with you ... Marchionne knew very well that US , Latam (South America) and European are different markets . Tavares unfortunately no.
@@eisonobilla comparing VW and Mercedes to Peugeots, Citroens and Fiats is just hilarious
They should focus on what brands are at their core and revive Plymouth as an affordable brand.
I tried to tell them: people won't pay $53k for compact SUVs and you can only sell vehicles at $100k or above for a short period and not many of them.
They just didn’t listen to you. Fools.
Went car shopping 2 months ago, went to 5-7 American car brand dealerships……every last one of them was OVER PRICE and lacking customer service skills. 😐 Ended up going with Honda, reliability and over all VALUE is what’s important to Americans. Love my new JAPANESE CAR 🫡
Honda drivers eat snickers upside down so he can feel the veiny texture on his tongue
dealership still mark up prices?!
@@Head-c3n LOL!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅
My wife just went through the same thing. Bought a Toyota.
@@Head-c3nI’ve had Accords for 20+ years, do I have to start eating my snickers upside down now? 😂
I had a Jeep Compass as my first car. I vouched never buy an American Car again. Bought a RAV4 and excellent, never had a single issue. People want reliable cars, step it up!
Spoiler alert: Nobody is going to buy the Charger as an EV.
Because it's a bad EV, not because it's an EV. It's heavy, slow, expensive and has Dodge quality.
If product development ever decided to do some grass roots research they would realize that.Trouble is very few organizations ask the man or women what they want. Their loss.
Having owned Challengers and Chargers myself, I have ZERO interest in an EV Challenger golf cart.
@@dave3657Those V8s are unsustainable though. Stellantis have been paying Tesla billions for emissions credits due to CAFE standards.
@@dave3657 Makes sense there are faster, cheaper, better built EVs available.
Chrysler and Jeep have had HUGE quality issues for many years which has put them far behind companies like Toyota, Subaru and Honda. And they charge ridiculous prices for this product. Focus on quality!
I ran a repair shop back in the mid 60's, and lemme tell ya .. I used to dread seeing a MoPar pull in for repairs! The engineering was a horror show, as it seemed that, to get to a problem under the hood, one had to remove other parts to get to it. I could go on & one, but Chrysler was a joke back then. Pontiac on the other hand was a dream to work on, as the engineering took into account the poor guy turning a wrench. Now, God Bless Toyota and Honda. smh
Stellantis used to occupy the "cheap" space in the American market which made the quality not as much of a factor for some buyers. Now Stellantis is trying to occupy the "premium" space with a low quality product. 2023 models still on dealership lots is the result lol
1968, 1978, 1988, 1998, 2008, and 2018 called,,,,,, they said the same thing.
I was watching something that talked about the direct run rate at CDJR plants(which is the % of vehicles that leave the pay point in a saleable state with no recorded defects) and it was something like 64%.
I work at a GM factory, and if we were running a DRR of 64, we'd be stopping production that day. We'd be stopping on every single job to inspect everything we just did. A DRR of 64 is completely unacceptable. Our plant prides itself on never having a manufacturing related recall on our vehicles, something our in-plant management takes very seriously.
No wonder why nobody wants to buy one of those products, if I worked there, I'd be telling everyone not to buy them!
Them getting rid of v8s was the DUMBEST decision they could’ve ever made 🤦🏾♂️
Emission/efficiency norms forced them to do so ?
What's with the id btw 😮
@@vm-my6hg What’s the excuse for Ford? They keep putting v8s in the mustang, why not tweak the hemi to become more efficient vs just getting rid of it all together? With the ID? I lost a bet
That's due to the federal regulations. Thank you Obama.
@@KillMonger312 Ford probably has a broader line up to handle these regulations smartly, they've had hybrids etc for a while.
@@KillMonger312
Ford has the more successful hybrid & EV lineup to stay in the V8 game for a bit longer, but that's just a matter of time. Elections do have consequences.
Crazy. My Ram turned out to be lemon, here in CA. Surrendering it tomorrow to be exact. Never buying another Stellantis/Chrysler vehicle again, unless it’s an old dodge or ram truck.
When jeep will discount 30-40% there will be buyers. Simple as that.
Still left behind by the modern offerings like Bronco.
People: cars are overpriced. We can’t afford these vehicles and interest rates are too high.
Stellantis: We have new vehicles coming out. I guess they want EV’s.
personally, i have zero interest in ever buying from a dealership. the dealership is a BIG part of the problem
Where do you buy then?
@@fakedazzleful I assume direct-to-consumer like Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, Polestar, and many more on the way.
It doesn’t matter that you bring new competitive and upcoming products if costumers CAN’T afford them. No one is asking for the premium added to these vehicles
Excellent! Thank you for all who contributed to the documentary!
Im a 4th gen Ram 1500 owner, and (In my opinion) the issue that also hurts this brand (not this issue alone, but it adds to the rest) It is the MDS system. (Aka Multi-Displacement System, it deactivates 4 cylinders while at steady speeds above 20mph)
The engine is great when it’s getting enough oil on the top half of the engine. (Not enough oil on lifters at idle)
I now have to get the top half of my engine rebuilt, I drop it off in a couple weeks, and the mechanic will have it for 3-5 days, because the MDS system, and th low volume factory oil pump, caused my stock cam and lifters to grind. Thats roughly $6k in parts and labor.
If you have the MDS in your truck, and you haven’t had the hemi lifter issues, I strongly recommend, You have upgrade to a high volume oil pump so the top half of the engine gets enough oil at any RPM, to prevent the lifter issue.
And for those reasons becoming so well known here lately, and the high price of Rams, at almost $70-80k for a Laramie 4x4. Thats insane. I believe those issues and more are chasing people away from the brand.
However, You still have the random “impulse” buyers from some people getting the newer Rams, and yes they’re great looking trucks with amazing features, but they are also being snaked by sleazy salesman not telling them the truth about the MDS system.
So if you have a MDS Hemi vehicle and you haven’t experienced the “Tick” yet, I HIGHLY recommend a High Volume oil pump to prevent this catastrophe.
Hopefully Ram gets this gets fixed.
Oh OK. I thought what hurt the brand was the poor component quality, de abysmal resell value, the lack of customer service at the dealerships, the Overpriced design over supstance vehicles, the oem parts that fail too soon and are too expensive to replace. No, it's the... (checks OPs post) mds.
Another car that promises to get fixed with a 'software' update.
@@izayus11 It’s simply my opinion on the Ram models (only). Nothing more. Everyone else has their own thoughts.
Teach me more. I have a Ram and had so many issues but I use it for my business so is it not my personal cost but still already $6k in cost for repairs.
@@efraingomez9365 Its terrible, some peoples ram trucks are acting up at 80k, some at 150k. It all depends how often you change your oil, and how long you leave it idle. Long idles is terrible for Rams with MDS, Mine is a 2012 4th gen and my tap started a few weeks ago at 207k miles.
@@TheStudderman This Ram I have is a 2019 and has been giving issues since day one. Had so many issues when it only had 8k miles on it.
My grandfather built Chrysler products for 30 years, and growing up we only ever owned Dodges specifically. Will never get one again. Parents now driving Chevy & Hyundai, I’m in a VW…
Wow who knew this mess of mergers was gonna be a mess
It's almost as if new boss doesn't know what they're doing
Very true, no synergy but chaos.
way back they already tried a big merger before. British Leyland, was an absolute disaster, i see a lot similarity with this merger. lets hope it does not end the same way as they did...
A European company making American cars with European beliefs of American needs sold only to Americans who just want big engines for low prices.
European companies are ripping off Europeans as well
The issue with Stellantis? One word: Tavares!
His only goal was to gut the company to show high profits and be able to give himself a percentage of those profits as bonuses. He doesn’t care what happens to the company, he only cares about his own pocket and I’m willing to bet the board has finally picked up on this. I’m a Stellantis dealer, and I’ve been saying this about Tavares for over two years but no one was listening.
I see the same problem with many come-and-go CEOs, they just care only about their own bonuses and short terms achievements
2017 was the last year before Stalantis took over and soiled Jeep brands.
My new Ram is $10k more than the previous with IMMENSELY less features! No dual zone climate control, no AC outlet, no remote start, no step rails, no bed cover, no garage door buttons, not even a vanity mirror on the drivers side! I'm beyond disappointed with this Ram and this is my 5th! Been loyal but that's worthless. AWFUL leadership wrecked a solid company and great products. Next truck is best bang for my buck.
I am forced to drive a Dodge truck for work. Let me explain to Dodge why they aren't selling:
-overpriced
-cheaply made
-who wants to drive anything where the shifter is a turn knob?! Really?
- vehicles are underpowered, especially their vans and trucks
- did I mention they're overpriced?
Same price as other brands .
Made with parts from manufacturers that build parts for other car manufacturers .
Most auto manufacturers have a dial or push button transmission shifter now .
Underpowered ? What engine were you using ?
Same price point as other manufacturers.
@@toledojeeper2932 no, a 3500 promaster shouldnt be 60 grand. The suspension sucks. It either bounces like crazy when it's empty, or drags like hell when it's got a load in it. The entire vehicle is cheaply made. For example, the door trim is falling off after less than 2 months use. That's just one of many things I could list. Dodge has gone down the toilet in quality. For that same price, I could get a Mercedes cargo van.
As far as under powered, it's probably a combination of the engine being tuned wrong, and the transmission being crap. It takes off having to pull 3k rpm just to accelerate "normally".
Anyways, yes, in my opinion, Dodge has gone the way of cheap crap. It's a shame.
If car manufacturers could make a car that actually lasts 20 years with regular maintenance, that would be great! Planned obsolescence is a real thing and we need to stop it. Period. These things are possible, but the profit margin will not be the same.
We need minimum ease-of-repair standards for cars. Starting with mandated dipsticks for engine oil and transmission fluid.
Planned obsolescence isn't a thing. Obsolescence happens. It's even in nature... Natural selection.
@@soccerguy2433 more R&D to increase the quality of their products as Toyota and Honda did in the past would greatly increase the longevity of their autos though.
@@gregorymalchuk272what car doesn’t have a engine oil dipstick?
I have a 2010 Chevrolet HHR that’s still going strong
Dealerships have become everyone's nemesis. It's almost like they do it intentionally. Inflating car prices over MSRP is one thing, but they even inflate their parts prices. I buy my parts online as much as possible, but I have a local dealer that I'll go to if I need something faster, and the parts aren't 10 to 20 percent higher like you'd expect so they can cover their costs. They're sometimes 400% higher. It's insane.
Then you go in to get some basic work or inspection done and they basically come back quoting you a whole new car because they don't diagnose the issue fully. They just start replacing components. Short in the wire? They'll recommend an entire harness replacement at a cost of $6k.
The problem is if you want to buy a new car, the dealership is usually a necessary evil in most states. And they choose to take advantage of that. Really sad.
Wanted a jeep Wrangler but the price is really high. I ended buy the Mazda CX 5 with excellent quality
These always feel like ads for these companies. Why are they struggling? Making inferior products to what Honda/Toyota churn out AND charging more than $20K per vehicle. Simply put: No one needs nor wants nor asked for a touchscreen to be in the center console. There, I saved everyone 16 minutes of their lives.
I agree 100%. A center screen that forces the driver to call up whatever while driving can be a disaster, similiar to txt while driving.