Thank you that's what I said. December of 2022 I bought a 23 Toyota Tacoma and my uncle wanted me to look at the Maverick because he said it was cheap. 22k he thought. So I had him call the dealer in town that had one in a base model and he about pooped his pants when they told him $31,000 for that base model Maverick. I paid $42,800 for a TRD off-road with quite a few extras above the base off-road
I would agree if the Maverick had a NA 4 cylinder engine but it doesn't. It's turbocharged which has always made for a costly engine setup. For reference, a 1995 Dodge Stealth RT was $25k. So was the Supra Turbo of the same year. The 95 Turbo MR2 was $29k. Then take a look at the 91 GMC Syclone which was $26k. These are all turbocharged vehicles from the 90's that cost about the same as the Maverick today. That makes the Maverick cheaper when you figure in inflation over the past 30-35 years. The Maverick is probably the best buy for a turbo 4x4 truck right now.
@@CommonSense823 in 2023 MSRP of the XL model was $19,995 and then you add the normal manufacturer fees and it put it at $22,595. It was and still is a pretty good deal of a vehicle. You get a lot for the price. It's still far under the typical vehicle price in 2024 and it supposedly has one of the highest residual values for a "cheaper" vehicle. Sure people want to see vehicles under $20k but that isn't possible today. Who is going to build these vehicles when everyone wants to be paid $50k+ per year? Back in the 80's and 90's when trucks were small and cheap, the average salary was less than $30k.
100%! We're a 3 vehicle household and I say it to anyone who will listen. If you've got a vehicle that's reliable, paid for and serves the purpose, why would you get something new or newer and have a car payment? Way too many people bail out of a perfectly good vehicle for something newer just because their older one just needed tires, exhaust, brakes etc. In most cased the new replacement is not as well built and reliable as what you have now. We drive the following. 2002 Toyota RAV4, 180K, my rainy day and winter commuter and errand runner. 2003 Ford Excursion with 130K to pull the camper and do airport runs for groups of 4-7 people. 2007 Acura MDX with 202K which is my wife's daily driver. 2006 Yamaha FJR1300 with 55K. My nice weather commuter and thrill ride/weekend trip bike. I will gladly spend $500-1,000 per year to upkeep each of these vehicles (not counting consumables) and I do almost all my own repairs unless special tools are required. I just watch a couple RUclips videos on the repair I'm doing to see what I'm getting into. I just replaced the rack & pinion and high pressure steering line on the MDX, which is a royal PITA job, but Total cost was about $350, compared to paying a shop $1,200-$2,000 to do the job. I will run every one of these vehicles until they die or I die or until they no longer serve the purpose. All our vehicles have a few glitches but none of them burn oil, the transmissions shift good and they don't break down. I'm not too proud to drive "old junk" with faded paint and parking lot dings.
Yup. My 99 3/4 ton suburban does everything I need. If I really want heated and cooled seats or a radio with navigation/big screen etc, I can pay to have them added by the aftermarket. Likely with them being more reliable or at least not nearly as expensive to replace when they fail.
They are not underpowered, they are overly complex, overpriced, and lack long term durability. way too much screens and computerization. Having your heating /cooling controls operated by a touchscreen is SUCH A TURNOFF and so expensive to fix WHEN (not if) it fails. Why make simple things so complex ??? Smarten the FUCK UP manufacturers.!!!!
I understand what your trying to say I myself enjoy a simple V8 and 6 speed trans but saying these new trucks are underpowered is simply not true they've never made more power but these new engines are so computerized with forced induction it's absolutely disgusting
These engineers try to force feed turbo-6’s which are less reliable than standard V8s. My question would be why couldn’t they just design V8s with better VVT so that they’re not gas guzzlers. And I don’t mean AFM…that technology is just stupid.
I'm wondering if banks will figure out, it's cheaper to finance a complete resto-mod vs financing a 20k over priced vehicle+ 20% depreciation after you drive it off the lot. I don't feel sorry for the banks either. Granted it's BULL 💩 that just because the Fed raises interest rates it has nothing to do with the bank giving a loan for a lot less! Banks want to gouge on interest rates. F them all.
On that RAM truck, you could get a plain truck just like that one for 20k in 2019. If I add 20% which would be an increase of 4% per year which is above average, that truck would be 24k. And after all those discounts it is still sitting at what 30k. That is a 50% increase!So is it really a good deal? Stop buying!!!
@@greyinghawk I upgraded my yukon xl denali not by replacing it but by taking it neatly back to brand new. I think I spent a lot but it was 1/10 the cost of a new one and will pay for itself in taxes alone over four years.
I might consider a truck as a 2nd vehicle if Toyota ever brought the IMV 0/Hilux Champ to these shores. Built on he Hilux platform, $10,000 in Thailand/Philippines, I'd be willing to spend $16k for one if built alongside the Tacoma in San Antonio.
it's mainly people buying them as a tax write off or insensitive so they're not having to give that money to the government. Which really you can't be too mad about that but that's why we're seeing prices drop slowly now, these manufacturers are feeling the pain finally that this isn't something they can live off.
What other option do consumers have when these manufacturers control access to products? Used cars under 10k are not exactly reliable, and sometimes, they don't even fit the needs of most people.
Well, there is a bigger crisis now because of so much inventory of vehicles at prices people can't afford. And people rarely actually need a full sized pickup truck anyway. You can rent a truck and save on gas but buying a car to pickup groceries, drop off the kids and go to your your office job.
In many states you can be ticketed and fined for using your cell phone while driving yet the auto/truck makers are installing the equivalent of large iPads in their dashboards for you to play with and somehow that’s ok. WTF?
I will never pay for a vehicle that costs as much as a house. I could start my own business with 120,000 $. The Lincoln was at the same price as well. These car manufacturers are worthless.
@@DannyLanders-k7z Well, here in the rust belt of Canada, the first ones to rust ( rust right thru ) are always RAM, followed by FORD. RAMS no longer have rocker panels after 5 years. GM's also rust, but it takes longer.
I bought a brand new Chevrolet Avalanche Z66 in 2002 for$30,000. In 2017 (15 years later) I bought a brand new Toyota Tundra SR5 5.7L V8 Flex fuel double cab for $32,000 (Both out the door price) WHY ARE TRUCKS $80,000 and up?
...because people kept buying them at $50k and $60k and $70k... supply and demand. When the bottom falls out on demand we will see a reset. Part of the issue is that decreasing the demand for full-size trucks and SUVs has been in the best interest of the manufacturers for MANY years. Unfortunately they all decided to stop producing decent cars at the same time. This leaves us with two segments. Wildly over-priced trucks & suvs... and then really awful and cheaply built small crossovers. I'm going to be fixing my stuff for quite and I'm tempted to buy more repairable used stuff while it can be had. The big v8 is dead unless you have a very big paycheck (or choose to never retire because you prefer insane payments).
@bryanbuss1045 What if the reset is consumers no longer owning vehicles. Only fleets will be sold and we can only order rides from our phone where autonomous driving vehicles take us to the few places we are authorized to go
@@johnliberty3647 There are too many Own > Rent/Subscribe individualist people (myself included) for that to be seriously considered outside of dense metropolitan areas (where it makes a lot of sense). I would be the IDEAL person for a "truck share" because I only use it for REAL truck things about 30 days of the year. The problem is I can't rent a truck for 30 days, for what it costs me (including depreciation and not payments... payments are fake/deceptive... what something costs you is "price acquired for" - "price sold for" + "opportunity cost of capital"). The cost of renting a nice 6.2L 6-passenger tow vehicle, plus the costs of the third Prius I would have if not my truck... are too much above the cost of just owning the truck. ...and I'm not about to be convinced the actual costs increased just because they changed the MSRP's... Perhaps they are trying to move the market to where "service-ifying" it makes financial sense. I will be putting parts into my 2010 Yukon XL Denali for a long LONG time if that is the case. It has 205k mi and looks like nearly new. The prices of even used 6.2L 6+ passenger SUV's w/ less than 100k mi were so high that I just had mine completely gone through... no joke. New tires, wheels, brakes, headlights, grill, ball joints, tie rod ends, shocks, dash top, passenger rear quarter, drivers dog-leg, drivers rocker, e-brake cable, undercoating, and wipers were all done (including paint from rear doors to the lift-gate) in July. New windshield will happen in the spring so it will even look new while looking from the inside out. Even if the transmission goes, it is a nicely rebuildable 6speed. If the engine goes, it is an L94 that I can get parts to build a new one for decades (I may even do a light rebuild proactively... bore/hone, new pistons/rings, upgrade cam, replace lifters, drop the DoD, replace main bearings and oil pump, mild tune... do it before any of it actually breaks... perhaps at 250k mi in another 4 years... I will just pocket the tax savings over buying a new/used one and over the 4 years just the registration differences will buy my rebuild!!!).
@@johnliberty3647that will never happen. Commercial vehicles alone (police/fire/hospital) help Ford sell 5 million vehicles each year. These are typically big trucks, vans and fleet vehicles that can cost over $100k each. But let's say what you allege does happen? So USA turns into NYC, SF, and LA? Ok then, all auto manufacturers immediately file for bankruptcy. Everything ultimately gets passed onto the consumer. Your old $10 ride to school or Walmart will soon cost $250, if the auto manufacturers file for bankruptcy. Just like it did last time in 2008. Eggs used to be 50 cents a dozen. Maybe $5 for 60 eggs. Now 60 eggs is $21. Gas was $1.39 under trump just 4 years ago. Now it's $3. In the end, everything gets passed onto the consumer. They'll even create new taxes that will be attached to your cellphone or Uber/Lyft rides.
I just picked up a brand new f150 with $7500 discount. I am so glad they gave me the discount, or I would have never been able to afford the $7000 paint protectant and upgraded window tint.
Dealers were really sticking to the customer back when there were shortages. Now it is time to stick it to the dealer and demand massive discounts of these overpriced trucks they cannot sell.
Tried to buy a 2024 GMC 2500HD Denali Ultimate. They would only drop the price by about $7k while I could get a $6k discount on a 2025 with out even trying to work a better deal. These dealers still haven't come back down to reality. Told the salesman I understand why the 2024 has been on his lot for 6 months!
You know it’s bad when the huge discounts they “so call” offer is still 15-20k overpriced for what these garbage trucks are worth. Manufacturers and dealers can suck themselves. Let these vehicles rot where they are parked.
It was common for Ford to discount f-150 mid trim level pickups 20% off MSRP. Your example of Chevy discounting $7k off MSRP. That’s approx 11% discount off MSRP. We’re not even close to where the common discounts were from 2010-2019. Peoples memories are short and it seems like the car business returning to pre pandemic normal is making everyone think it’s crashing.
Still plenty of people willing to take out loans to pay for their pavement princesses, it's shocking. And they'll think they got a deal on their 10% markdown paying 75k for a truck
Some how their marketing departments failed to grasp a couple of simple facts, the average annual income in the US IS $65k, based on that a reasonable car pay is about $500/ month on a 60 month loan that’s about a $26,000.00 vehicle, to afford a $60k truck you need to earn at least $100k, less than 18% qualify
What isn’t overpriced these days? Look at the housing market , … for example My Dad retired from GM in the 70’s . We used to get 20% off the vehicle and 20% off all options. With whtevr incentives too! Sad. In 1981 a brand new Corvette stickered for $13,200 …. Sad
With houses I can buy a smaller house with less appliances. With trucks they get bigger with expensive options I will never use. The so called small trucks are 4 door soccer mom vehicles with bed about the size of a trunk. The Auto industry is intentionally sabotaging itself.
This guy has memory loss. He thinks he's posting a new video each time. It's the same video...and the truck market is going to crash. Hahahah. I just bought a 2024 Ford SuperDuty 6.7 diesel. Couldn't be happier. But I keep coming back for the comedy.
We bought a 2024 F150 Platinum 703A Star White (12 miles on it) 2 weeks ago for $13,000 off at Auto Nation. We had to travel 1015 miles away as it was in Texas to get it, but it was well worth the flight.
Getting rid of the reliable non turbo V8 is a huge mistake, look what is happening to the Toyota Tundra V6 Turbo. These trucks are so over priced, this collapse needed to happen for a reset.
The manufacturers way over played their hands and have gouged their customers for 5 years now and now they’re paying the price…it’s not like they gouged their customers by $5k-$10k…they gouged them by $30k-$40k and on top of that, their quality control has gone in the crapper!..
You're incorrect about the Tundra as far as sales go. Somehow, and I don't know how, they are on pace to have the second best sales year ever. Go figure.
.... because they are discounting them A LOT, to the tune of 10k - 12k off the sticker price PLUS promo financing (2% for up to 72 months). Almost unheard of, since folks were paying 5k OVER the MSPR when they came out in 2022. Take some time to find a right dealer to get you this deal but it's certainly doable. So, here is your answer.
They are using the “Going out of Business” playbook. Mark it up 30% first, then discount it 20%. 😠 What the price should be: first start with the pre-pandemic MSRP, then adjust for actual inflation. Then go down on the price because they were made cheaply.
Looks like it's about time these manufacturers either get real with these prices or go the way of the do-do. Not everyone is making 100k+ a year like they seem to think.
Lets see why this is happening. It's simple common sense. Toyota shot themselves in the foot by decreasing the reliability of their trucks while increasing the price. Every truck brand wants to be a luxury brand while most of the people can't afford to buy a truck, car, or SUV and pay 700 USD a month for 72 months and expect to have to pay 1000's in repairs after 36 months of owner ship. The government under Biden came in with the EV mandated which has pushed vehicle makers to make vehicles that most consumers don't want. Most people could get by with a simple 4X4 truck with minimal luxury features. A simple radio, air-conditioning, heater, manual windows, a metal floor, a reliable engine, and lastly a price of below 30000 USD would make sense.
Maverick is a pointless vehicle. What does it have a 4ft bed? 6.5 bed should be minimum on trucks. Wth are you going to do with a smaller bed? That mini pick up shouldn't more then 25k max
I don't think it's pointless at all. Gets great mileage and fits into garages! You can tow 4000 with the right package. Besides, many owners of full size trucks rarely use the bed for anything, and dont need a vehicle that large.
10-15% off has been part of the full size half ton marketing strategy for a long time. Only during that vehicle shortage did people have to pay sticker or sticker+ pricing. Inflation pushes MSRPs up and the discounts bring them back to a market level price.
What are the profits of the manufacturers right now? GM $24B Ford 10B. Toyota $58b Nissan $83b Stelantis...who knows...Maybe if each company capped their profits and dedicated any additional money to reducing the cost of their vehicles.
It's not price gouging. They built these things during a time when materials were scarce and expensive. Add to this the fact the USD is worth 5hit. No matter what the fed tells you with their numbers charts graphs and words of wisdom. Facts are facts. If it takes 4x's the dollar to buy EVERYTHING to live it's not price gouging, it's the USD being worth 5hit.
73K. I'd be in the market with a 45K discount. They must be crazy. In addition many of these turbo engines are having issues. I'm guessing the only people who might buy one have businesses and can write it off.
A buddy of mine is a manager at a used vehicle dealership, and he typically doesn’t even have time to list the vehicle before it’s already sold, people aren’t buying new anymore.
Seems like Texas isn’t watching your videos. Prices are sky high and high interest here. People will buy a truck no matter how much it costs around here.
Was just at my local dealership for service. New Ford F150 base model features (still a lot of tech) is north of $50k. In fact once you get tax, license, and dealer fees paid it's over $60k. So, not sure how the prices are dropping..........
In Nov of 2020 I purchased a new 2021 RAM 1500 Limited. It is equppied with every option available that year. MSRP was $69,500. Discounted to about $55,000. Carried over $4000 from my trade in. Final price was $59,000. These new discounted trucks need even more incentives than what they are offering now in my opinion if they want to move them.
I was going to say Ford would have to drop their prices by 20k, but actually, I think 30k before I would consider buying anything new. I've got 91k miles on my 2011 F150. I don't even want to pay the sales tax on a new vehicle
It’s pretty easy to drop 5-10k off the sticker when they used to be 45k.. people don’t forget the price gouging. They wont feel sorry when they are struggling to move inventory.
Northern Minnesota here, nothing has dropped here. Also the lots are overflowing and every color and model are on the lot. Used vehicles are still a wild amount with a massive amount of Minnesota rust.
I wanted to add that don't be fooled by empty spaces. Lots of times, vehicles are shipped to other dealerships that are doing better, or have more room. Or, sent off to auction. Doesn't always mean people are buying them.
I wouldn't touch a new tundra. A RUclipsr I watch has had nothing but trouble. First the fuel pump failed, the second I can't remember but now his engine is toast! It hasn't even had its first oil change.
In 1992, I looked at a new Dosge Ram 4x4 regular cab with every option you could get and the sticker was $18,000. Either the dollar has inflated by over 125% or greed has taken over. Perhaps both.
35k with those discounts for the base model ram is still crazy. i remember in 2012 the silverado 1500 LT was like 28K. you can buy a used 2015 LT for like 12-15k. not everyone wants a used truck but wtf man these prices are insane. id rather have a used truck then anything new.
These so call “Discounts” was already inflated with Manufacturers and/dealer markups. So they’re still selling for profits at end of the day minus the huge margins they’re accustomed to getting the last 5+ years.
I have a 2015 Big Horn 4x4 Ecodiesel and it’s been a good truck until Fiat had to neuter it for emissions. Absolutely criminal what they did to the truck. Mine is paid off and I have no desire for a $800 a month payment on a new truck. My neighbor is a diesel tech and he told me to let him tune and delete my Ecodiesel. Cost was around $2500 (had a couple of other minor things done also). Wow! Unbelievable difference. Mpg in the mid 20’s in city and is close to the performance of the Hemi (actually has more torque, a little less HP). I no longer have the DPF, DEF or ERG systems which are some of the biggest issues with this truck. I know I’ll eventually have to buy another truck in the next 5 years, but I’m glad I didn’t fall into the temptation recently to go and drop $65k on a new Z71.
The problem with these "discounted" over priced trucks is it's only a discount if you're buying cash. If you have a payment the interest rate will have you paying way more than the discount even if you have good credit and can get the lowest interest rate possible. It's just not a good decision unless you make enough money to be a little careless.
I seem to remember watching the same videos about 2 years ago.... Still waiting for MSRP's to go down. MSRP's keep going up, but discounts keep getting slightly larger. They're still making the same amount of money. Also, all vehicles get discounted at the end of the year, every year. That's not something new.
Pretty sure dealers are starting to not only turn down allocations, but return vehicles that have been sitting on floor plan for over a year. Might explain the empty jeep lot.
I go by an Alabama Ford dealer. They got line after line of $70,000 plus double cab pickups parked in the lot. Every time I go by I think “who’s going to buy all that junk”. Nobody I guess. The Chevrolet dealer is next door. Things are not looking much better there at least on trucks.
The Ram discounts are showing that, for the right price, they can still sell plenty -- and that customers are unwilling to spend TOO much money just to get fancier trim.
I've been seeing these "the crash is here" videos for maybe a year now, but I still watch because it satisfies my vindictive side. I wrench on my things, these new vehicles are difficult mostly due to the inaccessable diagnostic software. I also havent yet bought a $5000 multiscanner tool, which would help. I have BMW's tho, so I use ISTA. Anyway...
How is this going to effect used truck prices as they have been going up too . I sold a nice looking 79 a few years ago ,about 5 , and they are selling about double of what I got for it back then .
It’s not always price gouging. Go look at old window stickers. I found a 2014 F150 XLT that has the same MSRP as a 2024 XLT when adjusted for inflation (not to mention all the extra stuff you get today).
I have heard people say this now for over a year and what most people don't realize is for an actual crash the price needs to be well under 50,000. Companies don't want to do that though because they're easily around 85,000
All these different creators keep saying that the dealerships are having to give discounts. But the discounted price still far exceeds the true value. They act as if they're giving you a deal, but it's still a 200 percent markup over what it should cost.
Go check out one of those fully loaded Grand Wagoneers… I think you will be surprised how unlike a jeep it is and how much luxury & tech is packed into it. Plus all the dealers around us are throwing major discounts on them… not to say they aren’t still expensive. But I just had a customer get a one with 700 miles on it, fully loaded, for 82k + tt&l.
The new Tacoma looks great, but an SR5 trim 4x4 Extra Cab with ZERO options is still over $43k by the time it gets to the dealership. That's insane for what is basically an entry level truck. Even the SR trim is going to be $38k. Then you get in and drive them and they have squeaks and rattles and horrible panel gaps.
They deserve to be struggling to be honest. They've absolutely gouged our eyes out with vehicle prices. Any vehicle does not need to be so expensive! Screw the dealers.
I feel like this video doesn’t take into account how dealers work. 1. It’s the end of the year. The more they sell, the more bonuses the dealership gets. They are ok with taking a loss on the vehicles because they will make it back. It has nothing to do with the dealers getting desperate. I promise you, come February, the prices will go back up. 2. When it comes to the websites, they put every discount that the company offers to make the price look low AF to get you in the door. Once your sitting in front of the sales guy, he tell you that you only qualify for the $500 off but “he got his manager to do you a solid and raised it to $1,000 off” 🙄
I work in IT, I love tech, however I want a simple vehicle ALWAYS, because I’m a DIYer and want to be able to service/repair my stuff. I want bare bones quality. Proven long lasting reliable v8 and transmission, solid frame, body, and good paint, sound deadening, analog gauges, keys, a radio that I will probably upgrade anyway. Screens beyond the stereo are not good imo. If they would make that vehicle, I personally think they would sell many of them but may have some mad engineers and designers.
I have purchased 3 full size trucks over the years and always gotten a big discount off MRSP. Talked to several sales people and they say can not sell basic trucks to the public, can only sell expensive off road trucks like Rebels, Tremor, Rapor, ZR1, ZR2, so someone is buying.
I agree with some of your points, such that the average truck buyer anticipates 35-50k being a reasonable price for a brand new 1/2 ton pickup, incentives and discounts along with the state of the economy makes these look a little more realistic now, where 2 years ago, they DID NOT. Let's be honest tho, this is Lithia Ford in Boise and that dealership has always had at least 200 F150's on the lot simply for good selection, not that they aren't moving or they are piling up. I've purchased many vehicles from them, including 2 - F150's. I've been enjoying paid off older trucks for the last few years but a decent truck in the high 30's, low 40's could be tempting to purchase new again.
$50,000 is still way too much for a full size truck
Unfortunately that’s just inflation. $40000 from 2019 alone is now $50000 due to inflation.
I was thinking the thing
Increase the msrp 100%, take off 10%. 😂
My income hasn't increased due to inflation.
That's not a crash.
Paying $28k on a discounted Maverick that was supposed to be $20k to begin with IS the problem.
Thank you that's what I said. December of 2022 I bought a 23 Toyota Tacoma and my uncle wanted me to look at the Maverick because he said it was cheap. 22k he thought. So I had him call the dealer in town that had one in a base model and he about pooped his pants when they told him $31,000 for that base model Maverick. I paid $42,800 for a TRD off-road with quite a few extras above the base off-road
I would agree if the Maverick had a NA 4 cylinder engine but it doesn't. It's turbocharged which has always made for a costly engine setup. For reference, a 1995 Dodge Stealth RT was $25k. So was the Supra Turbo of the same year. The 95 Turbo MR2 was $29k. Then take a look at the 91 GMC Syclone which was $26k. These are all turbocharged vehicles from the 90's that cost about the same as the Maverick today. That makes the Maverick cheaper when you figure in inflation over the past 30-35 years. The Maverick is probably the best buy for a turbo 4x4 truck right now.
@ for reference, when they introduced the Maverick with its turbo charged engine, they made a point of saying it would be under $20k
@@CommonSense823 in 2023 MSRP of the XL model was $19,995 and then you add the normal manufacturer fees and it put it at $22,595. It was and still is a pretty good deal of a vehicle. You get a lot for the price. It's still far under the typical vehicle price in 2024 and it supposedly has one of the highest residual values for a "cheaper" vehicle.
Sure people want to see vehicles under $20k but that isn't possible today. Who is going to build these vehicles when everyone wants to be paid $50k+ per year? Back in the 80's and 90's when trucks were small and cheap, the average salary was less than $30k.
@ thanks for making my point for me. They introduced as a sub $20k vehicle (nobody forced them to say it was going to be) and haven’t hit that target.
The best deal is the one that’s paid off and in your driveway.
100% agreed. For our household, never again to any more car payments.
100%!
We're a 3 vehicle household and I say it to anyone who will listen. If you've got a vehicle that's reliable, paid for and serves the purpose, why would you get something new or newer and have a car payment? Way too many people bail out of a perfectly good vehicle for something newer just because their older one just needed tires, exhaust, brakes etc. In most cased the new replacement is not as well built and reliable as what you have now. We drive the following.
2002 Toyota RAV4, 180K, my rainy day and winter commuter and errand runner.
2003 Ford Excursion with 130K to pull the camper and do airport runs for groups of 4-7 people.
2007 Acura MDX with 202K which is my wife's daily driver.
2006 Yamaha FJR1300 with 55K. My nice weather commuter and thrill ride/weekend trip bike.
I will gladly spend $500-1,000 per year to upkeep each of these vehicles (not counting consumables) and I do almost all my own repairs unless special tools are required. I just watch a couple RUclips videos on the repair I'm doing to see what I'm getting into. I just replaced the rack & pinion and high pressure steering line on the MDX, which is a royal PITA job, but Total cost was about $350, compared to paying a shop $1,200-$2,000 to do the job. I will run every one of these vehicles until they die or I die or until they no longer serve the purpose.
All our vehicles have a few glitches but none of them burn oil, the transmissions shift good and they don't break down. I'm not too proud to drive "old junk" with faded paint and parking lot dings.
Absolutely Agree With Your Statement 😅
Yup. And these prices just reaffirm that every day. Nothing even remotely enticing at these price points.
Yup. My 99 3/4 ton suburban does everything I need. If I really want heated and cooled seats or a radio with navigation/big screen etc, I can pay to have them added by the aftermarket. Likely with them being more reliable or at least not nearly as expensive to replace when they fail.
Feels like the same video over and over again. Been seeing these videos since 2022-2023. Different titles, same content. Who else seeing this???
Yes getting boring
It's been a slow ride forsure!!
Americans are fixated with vehicles. Consumer culture even when they can't afford it.
I agree and came here to post the same thing. The schtick is tired. Let me know when it "actually" happens.
And NOW its done... except its not done....now its been put off until 2025...itll be done then...not now....later
When will truck manufactuirers wake up to the fact that we want solid engines and transmissions, not underpowered computers on wheels?
Under powered? You must not math good.
They are not underpowered, they are overly complex, overpriced, and lack long term durability. way too much screens and computerization. Having your heating /cooling controls operated by a touchscreen is SUCH A TURNOFF and so expensive to fix WHEN (not if) it fails. Why make simple things so complex ??? Smarten the FUCK UP manufacturers.!!!!
Under powered?
I understand what your trying to say I myself enjoy a simple V8 and 6 speed trans but saying these new trucks are underpowered is simply not true they've never made more power but these new engines are so computerized with forced induction it's absolutely disgusting
These engineers try to force feed turbo-6’s which are less reliable than standard V8s.
My question would be why couldn’t they just design V8s with better VVT so that they’re not gas guzzlers.
And I don’t mean AFM…that technology is just stupid.
A “discount” to a vehicle you already marked up by a large amount is not a discount .
This is the truth right here. The prices have to drop and then be discounted to allow the economy to just be able buy.
I'm wondering if banks will figure out, it's cheaper to finance a complete resto-mod vs financing a 20k over priced vehicle+ 20% depreciation after you drive it off the lot.
I don't feel sorry for the banks either. Granted it's BULL 💩 that just because the Fed raises interest rates it has nothing to do with the bank giving a loan for a lot less! Banks want to gouge on interest rates. F them all.
Yeap a lot of vehicles are over price
They call it marketing , but we are their victims.
Make trucks 25,000 again why raise it 50,000 and up we are in a inflation period
Bring back the simple 2 door trucks with a V8 and an AM/FM radio! We don’t need a big screen tv on our dash!!
Amen ! Unfortunately those days are long gone.
Right a 2 door, V8 and steel wheels that wont get all damaged the first time you hit a curb with it.
Just like housing, makes no economic sense to build small and cheap. You throw extra trim on the same platform and charge 100% more
You can still buy one from gm, but they start at 41000
The people buying these things absolutely do need that "big screen tv"! To help them find the closest Starbucks or Panera Bread!
Am I the only one that is tired of hearing how the market is crashing but it still isn't really crashing?
But go on Chicken Little
The actual sales numbers show that it actually IS crashing whether ridiculously high prices stay or not..
Yep!
All still way out of my price range . . . . .
Several Channels have been calling out these types of gloom and doom channels for a while. hardly any discounts on vehicles across the board.
On that RAM truck, you could get a plain truck just like that one for 20k in 2019. If I add 20% which would be an increase of 4% per year which is above average, that truck would be 24k. And after all those discounts it is still sitting at what 30k. That is a 50% increase!So is it really a good deal? Stop buying!!!
That is the problem... people keep buying. The number of "interest rate" comments I see here give a decent clue as to why...
Have a 2010 F150 wanted to upgrade but at these prices for a newer truck with a host of problems, think I will keep mine
@@greyinghawk I upgraded my yukon xl denali not by replacing it but by taking it neatly back to brand new. I think I spent a lot but it was 1/10 the cost of a new one and will pay for itself in taxes alone over four years.
10,000 15,000 discounts, then I might consider.....until then let it rot, and they can SUFFER!
Nothing less than 15k!
Facts!!!!!!
It doesn't matter if the interests rates are still high , nobody's buying
I don't want a turbo nor do I want a glorified SUV with a truck bed. I want a simple truck!! Which should make a cheaper truck.
I might consider a truck as a 2nd vehicle if Toyota ever brought the IMV 0/Hilux Champ to these shores.
Built on he Hilux platform, $10,000 in Thailand/Philippines, I'd be willing to spend $16k for one if built alongside the Tacoma in San Antonio.
Okay boomer
I tried to call out a dude at home Depot today because I wanted to buy his old Chevy s10
@@MrDarrylRbuilt in SA at 16k? Not going to happen.
Old Toyota in early 90’s $8500 for a basic truck that would last forever. Manual everything.
These manufacturers will never learn and neither will these consumers that willingly keep paying these prices.
it's mainly people buying them as a tax write off or insensitive so they're not having to give that money to the government. Which really you can't be too mad about that but that's why we're seeing prices drop slowly now, these manufacturers are feeling the pain finally that this isn't something they can live off.
What other option do consumers have when these manufacturers control access to products? Used cars under 10k are not exactly reliable, and sometimes, they don't even fit the needs of most people.
@@The_Food_Policeit’s not difficult. My Tacoma is worth what it was new. 😂
@@hunterwilhelm225 the tax write off doesnt work the way you think it
does
@@FoxWJKyeap every just spewing whatever they saw on some other random comment.
Y'all been saying the truck market is crashing for a couple years now...
@@TDub777 I concur. Where is this big crash everyone keeps talking about? As long as people keep buying they are not going to change a thing!
Well, there is a bigger crisis now because of so much inventory of vehicles at prices people can't afford. And people rarely actually need a full sized pickup truck anyway. You can rent a truck and save on gas but buying a car to pickup groceries, drop off the kids and go to your your office job.
Everything is still way too expensive…you’d have to be insane to spend this kind of money on a new truck.
In many states you can be ticketed and fined for using your cell phone while driving yet the auto/truck makers are installing the equivalent of large iPads in their dashboards for you to play with and somehow that’s ok. WTF?
You mean how police cruisers have LAPTOPS in there cars they look at while driving. Wild that is ok.
I will never pay for a vehicle that costs as much as a house. I could start my own business with 120,000 $. The Lincoln was at the same price as well.
These car manufacturers are worthless.
Chevy could start by figuring out their decades old rust issues
@@DannyLanders-k7z Well, here in the rust belt of Canada, the first ones to rust ( rust right thru ) are always RAM, followed by FORD. RAMS no longer have rocker panels after 5 years. GM's also rust, but it takes longer.
I guess you haven't checked house prices lately
I bought a brand new Chevrolet Avalanche Z66 in 2002 for$30,000. In 2017 (15 years later) I bought a brand new Toyota Tundra SR5 5.7L V8 Flex fuel double cab for $32,000 (Both out the door price) WHY ARE TRUCKS $80,000 and up?
...because people kept buying them at $50k and $60k and $70k... supply and demand.
When the bottom falls out on demand we will see a reset.
Part of the issue is that decreasing the demand for full-size trucks and SUVs has been in the best interest of the manufacturers for MANY years. Unfortunately they all decided to stop producing decent cars at the same time. This leaves us with two segments. Wildly over-priced trucks & suvs... and then really awful and cheaply built small crossovers.
I'm going to be fixing my stuff for quite and I'm tempted to buy more repairable used stuff while it can be had.
The big v8 is dead unless you have a very big paycheck (or choose to never retire because you prefer insane payments).
@bryanbuss1045 What if the reset is consumers no longer owning vehicles. Only fleets will be sold and we can only order rides from our phone where autonomous driving vehicles take us to the few places we are authorized to go
@@johnliberty3647 There are too many Own > Rent/Subscribe individualist people (myself included) for that to be seriously considered outside of dense metropolitan areas (where it makes a lot of sense).
I would be the IDEAL person for a "truck share" because I only use it for REAL truck things about 30 days of the year.
The problem is I can't rent a truck for 30 days, for what it costs me (including depreciation and not payments... payments are fake/deceptive... what something costs you is "price acquired for" - "price sold for" + "opportunity cost of capital").
The cost of renting a nice 6.2L 6-passenger tow vehicle, plus the costs of the third Prius I would have if not my truck... are too much above the cost of just owning the truck.
...and I'm not about to be convinced the actual costs increased just because they changed the MSRP's...
Perhaps they are trying to move the market to where "service-ifying" it makes financial sense.
I will be putting parts into my 2010 Yukon XL Denali for a long LONG time if that is the case. It has 205k mi and looks like nearly new. The prices of even used 6.2L 6+ passenger SUV's w/ less than 100k mi were so high that I just had mine completely gone through... no joke.
New tires, wheels, brakes, headlights, grill, ball joints, tie rod ends, shocks, dash top, passenger rear quarter, drivers dog-leg, drivers rocker, e-brake cable, undercoating, and wipers were all done (including paint from rear doors to the lift-gate) in July.
New windshield will happen in the spring so it will even look new while looking from the inside out.
Even if the transmission goes, it is a nicely rebuildable 6speed.
If the engine goes, it is an L94 that I can get parts to build a new one for decades (I may even do a light rebuild proactively... bore/hone, new pistons/rings, upgrade cam, replace lifters, drop the DoD, replace main bearings and oil pump, mild tune... do it before any of it actually breaks... perhaps at 250k mi in another 4 years... I will just pocket the tax savings over buying a new/used one and over the 4 years just the registration differences will buy my rebuild!!!).
@@johnliberty3647that will never happen. Commercial vehicles alone (police/fire/hospital) help Ford sell 5 million vehicles each year. These are typically big trucks, vans and fleet vehicles that can cost over $100k each.
But let's say what you allege does happen? So USA turns into NYC, SF, and LA? Ok then, all auto manufacturers immediately file for bankruptcy.
Everything ultimately gets passed onto the consumer. Your old $10 ride to school or Walmart will soon cost $250, if the auto manufacturers file for bankruptcy.
Just like it did last time in 2008. Eggs used to be 50 cents a dozen. Maybe $5 for 60 eggs. Now 60 eggs is $21. Gas was $1.39 under trump just 4 years ago. Now it's $3.
In the end, everything gets passed onto the consumer. They'll even create new taxes that will be attached to your cellphone or Uber/Lyft rides.
And that's only if your social credit score is above 3.2, or else you'll have to hitchhike and catch a ride with a trucker.
I don't want a turbo truck. They're not worth the headache. Rather, but a v8 tundra is basically a bullet-proof motor.
I just picked up a brand new f150 with $7500 discount. I am so glad they gave me the discount, or I would have never been able to afford the $7000 paint protectant and upgraded window tint.
Sucker.
😅
Sarcasm, I 🫡 you
Bought a 2024 Super Duty High Output 6.7 diesel Lariat Ultimate, Blackout Appearance Package, in August. 10K off MSRP. Negotiate.
I'll keep driving my 1992 f150 5.0
Just like my 97 f150 xl v6
I've got 4 old 80s Fords. Keep that old iron on the road!!
This other RUclipsr put it very well the dealers would rather drive their vehicles into the ocean than sell them at a lower price
Dealers were really sticking to the customer back when there were shortages. Now it is time to stick it to the dealer and demand massive discounts of these overpriced trucks they cannot sell.
Looks like pieces taken from other videos and smashed together.
Tried to buy a 2024 GMC 2500HD Denali Ultimate. They would only drop the price by about $7k while I could get a $6k discount on a 2025 with out even trying to work a better deal. These dealers still haven't come back down to reality. Told the salesman I understand why the 2024 has been on his lot for 6 months!
Wake me up when interest rates are back around 4-5
You can get APR for less than that now.. your credit most be bad lol
Wake up ⏰️!⏰️!⏰️!
@@manuelrabelo6780only incentivized manufacturer buy downs are that low. Only select vehicles apply
@manuelrabelo6780 I have a credit score over 800 and rates in my area are still over 6% here
You know it’s bad when the huge discounts they “so call” offer is still 15-20k overpriced for what these garbage trucks are worth.
Manufacturers and dealers can suck themselves. Let these vehicles rot where they are parked.
It was common for Ford to discount f-150 mid trim level pickups 20% off MSRP. Your example of Chevy discounting $7k off MSRP. That’s approx 11% discount off MSRP. We’re not even close to where the common discounts were from 2010-2019. Peoples memories are short and it seems like the car business returning to pre pandemic normal is making everyone think it’s crashing.
Yuppers
Where is a 20 k fully loaded truck..& Suv...100k truck & suv is crazy..I would buy a small house in the woods...have a roof over my head..
It would increase in value, unlike a new vehicle. They depreciate the moment you dive it off the lot.
It’s funny because every week these car people are saying the same shit lol it’s crashing lol
yea and its not crashing at all
Still plenty of people willing to take out loans to pay for their pavement princesses, it's shocking. And they'll think they got a deal on their 10% markdown paying 75k for a truck
They still haven't fully realized we aren't buying their shi untill everything that's over 100k is lowered for the average American
The market has been crashing every day, every week, every year, since the inception of RUclips. Change my mind lol. Keep up the good work. -Brandon
Some how their marketing departments failed to grasp a couple of simple facts, the average annual income in the US IS $65k, based on that a reasonable car pay is about $500/ month on a 60 month loan that’s about a $26,000.00 vehicle, to afford a $60k truck you need to earn at least $100k, less than 18% qualify
Still to expensive. Its to nice hear what we already known for the pasted 2 yrs.
What isn’t overpriced these days?
Look at the housing market , … for example
My Dad retired from GM in the 70’s . We used to get 20% off the vehicle and 20% off all options. With whtevr incentives too!
Sad.
In 1981 a brand new Corvette stickered for $13,200 …. Sad
With houses I can buy a smaller house with less appliances. With trucks they get bigger with expensive options I will never use. The so called small trucks are 4 door soccer mom vehicles with bed about the size of a trunk. The Auto industry is intentionally sabotaging itself.
That would be shy of 50k now days
Nissan and Ram aren't likely to be in business in a year. Good luck. I wouldn't suggest them.
Right and with their poor reliability especially the Ram you'll be SOL
This guy has memory loss. He thinks he's posting a new video each time. It's the same video...and the truck market is going to crash. Hahahah. I just bought a 2024 Ford SuperDuty 6.7 diesel. Couldn't be happier. But I keep coming back for the comedy.
What crash? Prices still same as they have been.
Yes there still way to high with a 10,000 discount.
Imagine driving a turbo 4-cylinder in a full size truck. These people are insane.
I got a 25 Big Horn with the hurricane 3.0 for 14k under MSRP. Check dealerships online pricing. That's where you'll see the discounts.
We bought a 2024 F150 Platinum 703A Star White (12 miles on it) 2 weeks ago for $13,000 off at Auto Nation. We had to travel 1015 miles away as it was in Texas to get it, but it was well worth the flight.
Getting rid of the reliable non turbo V8 is a huge mistake, look what is happening to the Toyota Tundra V6 Turbo. These trucks are so over priced, this collapse needed to happen for a reset.
The manufacturers way over played their hands and have gouged their customers for 5 years now and now they’re paying the price…it’s not like they gouged their customers by $5k-$10k…they gouged them by $30k-$40k and on top of that, their quality control has gone in the crapper!..
The new tacomas are also having transmission problems
Serves them Toyota fans well
It blows my mind that you don't know they marked up the accessories and they're not eating $5,000.
You're incorrect about the Tundra as far as sales go. Somehow, and I don't know how, they are on pace to have the second best sales year ever. Go figure.
.... because they are discounting them A LOT, to the tune of 10k - 12k off the sticker price PLUS promo financing (2% for up to 72 months). Almost unheard of, since folks were paying 5k OVER the MSPR when they came out in 2022. Take some time to find a right dealer to get you this deal but it's certainly doable. So, here is your answer.
They are using the “Going out of Business” playbook.
Mark it up 30% first, then discount it 20%. 😠
What the price should be: first start with the pre-pandemic MSRP, then adjust for actual inflation.
Then go down on the price because they were made cheaply.
any advice on what is the best bang for buck for used trucks going into 2025/2026
Looks like it's about time these manufacturers either get real with these prices or go the way of the do-do. Not everyone is making 100k+ a year like they seem to think.
Go to a dealer the day after Xmas. I bet the prices will be dropping. The Tax man is around the corner for these dealerships.
Lets see why this is happening. It's simple common sense. Toyota shot themselves in the foot by decreasing the reliability of their trucks while increasing the price. Every truck brand wants to be a luxury brand while most of the people can't afford to buy a truck, car, or SUV and pay 700 USD a month for 72 months and expect to have to pay 1000's in repairs after 36 months of owner ship. The government under Biden came in with the EV mandated which has pushed vehicle makers to make vehicles that most consumers don't want. Most people could get by with a simple 4X4 truck with minimal luxury features. A simple radio, air-conditioning, heater, manual windows, a metal floor, a reliable engine, and lastly a price of below 30000 USD would make sense.
Maverick is a pointless vehicle. What does it have a 4ft bed? 6.5 bed should be minimum on trucks. Wth are you going to do with a smaller bed? That mini pick up shouldn't more then 25k max
For the average homeowner who needs to make a trip to Home Depot or dump or pick up a big screen tv this works
I own both a Tacoma and a maverick, both 2023s. It’s a terrific little truck. We average 40 mpg. I love my Tacoma but it’s awful with 16 mpg.
I don't think it's pointless at all. Gets great mileage and fits into garages! You can tow 4000 with the right package. Besides, many owners of full size trucks rarely use the bed for anything, and dont need a vehicle that large.
What they said ⬆️
10-15% off has been part of the full size half ton marketing strategy for a long time. Only during that vehicle shortage did people have to pay sticker or sticker+ pricing. Inflation pushes MSRPs up and the discounts bring them back to a market level price.
God this guy is a broken record
Yet you keep watching. 🙄
Came here to say... and here you are. Again. Thanks for coming back.
@@MotorFeedhoping one of these videos will have a different script. Lol guess I can move on with that dream. Good luck bud
What are the profits of the manufacturers right now?
GM $24B
Ford 10B.
Toyota $58b
Nissan $83b
Stelantis...who knows...Maybe if each company capped their profits and dedicated any additional money to reducing the cost of their vehicles.
It's not price gouging. They built these things during a time when materials were scarce and expensive. Add to this the fact the USD is worth 5hit. No matter what the fed tells you with their numbers charts graphs and words of wisdom. Facts are facts. If it takes 4x's the dollar to buy EVERYTHING to live it's not price gouging, it's the USD being worth 5hit.
73K. I'd be in the market with a 45K discount. They must be crazy. In addition many of these turbo engines are having issues. I'm guessing the only people who might buy one have businesses and can write it off.
Good video. Appreciate the walk around showing different brands and prices.
A buddy of mine is a manager at a used vehicle dealership, and he typically doesn’t even have time to list the vehicle before it’s already sold, people aren’t buying new anymore.
You literally compared a Maverick to a Tocoma.....lol that's too funny!!
Seems like Texas isn’t watching your videos. Prices are sky high and high interest here. People will buy a truck no matter how much it costs around here.
Texas is definitely watching, they just like to blow money on trucks. Lol. I am from Dallas.
Was just at my local dealership for service. New Ford F150 base model features (still a lot of tech) is north of $50k. In fact once you get tax, license, and dealer fees paid it's over $60k.
So, not sure how the prices are dropping..........
In Nov of 2020 I purchased a new 2021 RAM 1500 Limited. It is equppied with every option available that year. MSRP was $69,500. Discounted to about $55,000. Carried over $4000 from my trade in. Final price was $59,000. These new discounted trucks need even more incentives than what they are offering now in my opinion if they want to move them.
My biggest concern is not the price but the super high interest rates even if you have an excellent credit score
I was going to say Ford would have to drop their prices by 20k, but actually, I think 30k before I would consider buying anything new. I've got 91k miles on my 2011 F150. I don't even want to pay the sales tax on a new vehicle
Don't buy anything folks make these dealerships and manufacturers pay for over charging people for years for vehicles and trucks especially!!!!
It’s pretty easy to drop 5-10k off the sticker when they used to be 45k.. people don’t forget the price gouging. They wont feel sorry when they are struggling to move inventory.
Northern Minnesota here, nothing has dropped here. Also the lots are overflowing and every color and model are on the lot. Used vehicles are still a wild amount with a massive amount of Minnesota rust.
If people would stop paying their prices they’d have to drop even more I say let’s band together and quit getting hosed by these dealers
I wanted to add that don't be fooled by empty spaces. Lots of times, vehicles are shipped to other dealerships that are doing better, or have more room. Or, sent off to auction. Doesn't always mean people are buying them.
I wouldn't touch a new tundra. A RUclipsr I watch has had nothing but trouble. First the fuel pump failed, the second I can't remember but now his engine is toast! It hasn't even had its first oil change.
No prices dropping here!
Maybe they moved inventory "out of sight" to stimulate buyers?
In 1992, I looked at a new Dosge Ram 4x4 regular cab with every option you could get and the sticker was $18,000. Either the dollar has inflated by over 125% or greed has taken over. Perhaps both.
35k with those discounts for the base model ram is still crazy. i remember in 2012 the silverado 1500 LT was like 28K. you can buy a used 2015 LT for like 12-15k. not everyone wants a used truck but wtf man these prices are insane. id rather have a used truck then anything new.
These so call “Discounts” was already inflated with Manufacturers and/dealer markups. So they’re still selling for profits at end of the day minus the huge margins they’re accustomed to getting the last 5+ years.
Do you see this nation wide? Cause out here in Mass they aren't discounting very much!
I have a 2015 Big Horn 4x4 Ecodiesel and it’s been a good truck until Fiat had to neuter it for emissions. Absolutely criminal what they did to the truck. Mine is paid off and I have no desire for a $800 a month payment on a new truck. My neighbor is a diesel tech and he told me to let him tune and delete my Ecodiesel. Cost was around $2500 (had a couple of other minor things done also). Wow! Unbelievable difference. Mpg in the mid 20’s in city and is close to the performance of the Hemi (actually has more torque, a little less HP). I no longer have the DPF, DEF or ERG systems which are some of the biggest issues with this truck. I know I’ll eventually have to buy another truck in the next 5 years, but I’m glad I didn’t fall into the temptation recently to go and drop $65k on a new Z71.
The nice thing about that Chevy with the "$5,000" lift kit is that cost them less than that, so they probably had some room to at least break even.
The problem with these "discounted" over priced trucks is it's only a discount if you're buying cash. If you have a payment the interest rate will have you paying way more than the discount even if you have good credit and can get the lowest interest rate possible. It's just not a good decision unless you make enough money to be a little careless.
I seem to remember watching the same videos about 2 years ago.... Still waiting for MSRP's to go down. MSRP's keep going up, but discounts keep getting slightly larger. They're still making the same amount of money. Also, all vehicles get discounted at the end of the year, every year. That's not something new.
Pretty sure dealers are starting to not only turn down allocations, but return vehicles that have been sitting on floor plan for over a year. Might explain the empty jeep lot.
I go by an Alabama Ford dealer. They got line after line of $70,000 plus double cab pickups parked in the lot. Every time I go by I think “who’s going to buy all that junk”. Nobody I guess. The Chevrolet dealer is next door. Things are not looking much better there at least on trucks.
The Ram discounts are showing that, for the right price, they can still sell plenty -- and that customers are unwilling to spend TOO much money just to get fancier trim.
I've been seeing these "the crash is here" videos for maybe a year now, but I still watch because it satisfies my vindictive side. I wrench on my things, these new vehicles are difficult mostly due to the inaccessable diagnostic software.
I also havent yet bought a $5000 multiscanner tool, which would help. I have BMW's tho, so I use ISTA.
Anyway...
How is this going to effect used truck prices as they have been going up too . I sold a nice looking 79 a few years ago ,about 5 , and they are selling about double of what I got for it back then .
It’s not always price gouging. Go look at old window stickers. I found a 2014 F150 XLT that has the same MSRP as a 2024 XLT when adjusted for inflation (not to mention all the extra stuff you get today).
every day for last 2 years the truck market has been CRASHING according to YT creators, lol
I have heard people say this now for over a year and what most people don't realize is for an actual crash the price needs to be well under 50,000. Companies don't want to do that though because they're easily around 85,000
All these different creators keep saying that the dealerships are having to give discounts. But the discounted price still far exceeds the true value. They act as if they're giving you a deal, but it's still a 200 percent markup over what it should cost.
Go check out one of those fully loaded Grand Wagoneers… I think you will be surprised how unlike a jeep it is and how much luxury & tech is packed into it. Plus all the dealers around us are throwing major discounts on them… not to say they aren’t still expensive. But I just had a customer get a one with 700 miles on it, fully loaded, for 82k + tt&l.
Whoot! 58k before tax for a diesel. Where do i get on the waiting list? Oh nevermind, they are sitting on lots everywhere. 😂
The new Tacoma looks great, but an SR5 trim 4x4 Extra Cab with ZERO options is still over $43k by the time it gets to the dealership. That's insane for what is basically an entry level truck. Even the SR trim is going to be $38k. Then you get in and drive them and they have squeaks and rattles and horrible panel gaps.
They deserve to be struggling to be honest. They've absolutely gouged our eyes out with vehicle prices. Any vehicle does not need to be so expensive! Screw the dealers.
Prices have not dropped at our local dealerships. Manufactures may drop the price by 10K but the dealerships increase the price by 10K
All are crazy expensive. It’s a mortgage payment for a new truck nowadays, but I would say Ram has the best bang for your buck.
I feel like this video doesn’t take into account how dealers work.
1. It’s the end of the year. The more they sell, the more bonuses the dealership gets. They are ok with taking a loss on the vehicles because they will make it back. It has nothing to do with the dealers getting desperate. I promise you, come February, the prices will go back up.
2. When it comes to the websites, they put every discount that the company offers to make the price look low AF to get you in the door. Once your sitting in front of the sales guy, he tell you that you only qualify for the $500 off but “he got his manager to do you a solid and raised it to $1,000 off” 🙄
Fix those little things and get your vehicle detailed twice a year and fall in love with it again.
I work in IT, I love tech, however I want a simple vehicle ALWAYS, because I’m a DIYer and want to be able to service/repair my stuff. I want bare bones quality. Proven long lasting reliable v8 and transmission, solid frame, body, and good paint, sound deadening, analog gauges, keys, a radio that I will probably upgrade anyway. Screens beyond the stereo are not good imo. If they would make that vehicle, I personally think they would sell many of them but may have some mad engineers and designers.
I have purchased 3 full size trucks over the years and always gotten a big discount off MRSP. Talked to several sales people and they say can not sell basic trucks to the public, can only sell expensive off road trucks like Rebels, Tremor, Rapor, ZR1, ZR2, so someone is buying.
I agree with some of your points, such that the average truck buyer anticipates 35-50k being a reasonable price for a brand new 1/2 ton pickup, incentives and discounts along with the state of the economy makes these look a little more realistic now, where 2 years ago, they DID NOT. Let's be honest tho, this is Lithia Ford in Boise and that dealership has always had at least 200 F150's on the lot simply for good selection, not that they aren't moving or they are piling up. I've purchased many vehicles from them, including 2 - F150's. I've been enjoying paid off older trucks for the last few years but a decent truck in the high 30's, low 40's could be tempting to purchase new again.
Just rolled over 200K miles on my 2008 Tundra with the reliable 5.7L that will tow 10,000 pounds. I'm good for at least another 3-4 years...