SCANDAL at the Harvard of Mortuary School
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2020
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"What the National Board Scandal Says about Funeral Service Education"
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"The mortician school cheating scandal that could ruin city funeral homes"
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"What Does 'If You See Something, Say Something' Have to do with Ethics and Integrity?"
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Wow, a funeral industry scandal that DOESN’T involve the mishandling of copious amounts of human remains? Color me pleasantly surprised.
This one is about...[dramatic vertigo zoom]..._paperwork_
Well you still got the husband.......
“Here I am with my bangs” Caitlin knows her brand
She bangs.
for a non american what are bangs?
@@madcatdad42 - Bangs are the short fringe of hair covering one's forehead.
@@madcatdad42 Her hair combed over her forehead and cut straight across.
ruclips.net/video/J5h_p0cUhYM/видео.html
“It doesn’t help her case that she was married to the infamous body snatcher mortician who was sentenced in 2009” wait she was WHAT
I really want to hear this story...
@@victoriashevlin8587 me too!!
we need this video!
The husband story was on American Greed. I was shocked 😲!! What he did was horrible.
@@victoriashevlin8587 the husbands story was on American Greed. Very interesting.
The question about the "religion of the United States" made me so mad as a Jew, like, you can't just say "judeo-christian" in this context because Jewish funerals and mourning traditions are WILDLY different from Christian funerals and mourning traditions! Heck, even a Catholic funeral will be wildly different from a Protestant one! That question is just completely useless!
But the majority of people in America do identify as Christians. You should respect that fact. I’m asked to respect minorities but am not afforded the same.
@@willit344 - did you even read their response before you chose to be offended? It isn't about disrepsecting your right to be a Christian. It is the fact that, in the world of funeral homes, such a question is useless BECAUSE it says nothing about funeral traditons or practices. It teaches the mortician nothing useful.
Wayne Feller so if I’m going to open a butcher in an area I would ask exactly that question... why would you ask. Should my product be halaal? Just an example. Owning a funeral home is a business. Nothing more. Nothing leSs. If you don’t like the service go somewhere else. That’s what capitalism is. That’s what a free market is. If you want to open a funeral home that caters exclusively to Muslims or Hindus I say go for it. But I do not find the notion of a majority Christian society offensive. I just don’t
@@willit344 I'm offended that you're offended. 🙂
@@willit344 wait what? no one has said anything about Americans mostly identifying as Christians the issue being brought up is that the question is lumping Christian and Jewish together as if they are the same, or interchangeable, when they are not
When Caitlin hits 1 mil she should do a forehead reveal
abby burke I’m screaming 🤣💀
😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can see this elusive forehead in the video where she gets done up by the makeup artist 🙊my heart rejoiced.
You’ll see the dandy forehead starting at 1:38
100,000. I can't wait that long! 😂
There’s been a huge scandal in Paris recently involving about 1000 bodies donated to science but left to rot in horrible conditions... Some were partly eaten by rodents. It was all so gruesome that no pictures could be published. Relatives are going to sue the university Paris-Descartes.
Whoa...
Yikes!
Yikes. I mean, there are body farms, where people can donate their bodies and then the bodies are left outside to decompose, to help forensic scientists better understand how to estimate the time of death in certain conditions... But this sounds like something else entirely.
This needs to be a video.
Wow
“Here’s my certificate, which i didn’t know i had, but I found it taped to the side of my fridge.” I found my social security card being used as a bookmark last month, so this comforted me to know other people do weird things with important documents or certificates.
I just laughed out loud!!! I have to agree here: I HATE trying to read my own mind when it comes to “What the heck did I with that important and/or essential document???” I mean, there are some dark corners in there, and some dusty ones, too. I don’t want to delve into those corners!
Wow. That happened with my Credit Card a few weeks ago. I must have been reading that book at work and accidentally grabbed my card instead of the BOOKMARK sitting nearby. Got a good laugh out of it. 🤣
"Student body" at a mortuary school could have more than one meaning...
Clever!
Oh dear! Well, you're not wrong. And yes, clever.
Another deserving: HA!
Lololol. That's hilarious!!
Virtually all schools have cadavers on site
“The answer is ‘e. Capitalism’ you’re the funeral industry. You know that.”
It is the only religion that you can't dispute, and this is coming from a Christian.
So what's the solution then? Socialism which has never worked? Communism? Which has never worked and killed over 200 million people across the world? How is it fair to take half of MY paycheck that I EARNED?! I haven't been financially irresponsible, I haven't had children I can't pay for, I haven't had credit cards, I haven't taken out thousands in student loans to major in a field where there are no jobs like art or music or English, so why should MY MONEY be taken from me and given to someone who has been financially irresponsible? Why should I have to pay for other people's mistakes?! All I want is MY OWN DAMN MONEY. Why should I have to pay for someone else's expensive funeral when they can just get a natural burial instead of expensive unnecessary embalming they are using MY MONEY for?! I shouldn't have to. No. I work HARD for my money and I am NOT okay of the government taking it from me BY FORCE to hand out and reward irresponsible people.
@@WhitneyDahlin Why do you need a solution? Besides they only solution to the Humanity's issues is for their to be one person, just one.
Same for the medical and pharmaceutical industry, sadly.
@@WhitneyDahlin Look everyone, this is what brainwashing looks like. This tool over here is raving and foaming at their mouth over the slightest criticism of objectively broken system because that's what their masters taught them. No one even said anything about socialism, that's just the boogeyman they've been fed.
“The answer is E: Capitalism. You should know that!” Caitlin, you’re an absolute queen
Ikr, I love her speaking all hoity toity & changing her voice up, lol. Too funny!
We’re a huge melting pot so like fuck that question :) and yeah, she’s damn right
Yes, woman, You are so entertaining, dawling. U slay me.
McDonald's is our national church.
Except the right answer is Christianity. Cause, you know, we are actually mostly Christian. As much as that pisses some of you off.
"The five stages of grief aren't used anymore, and haven't been used for years". Not only that, the five stages of grief weren't actually about grief (from losing a loved one) but about the stages someone who is dying might go through before accepting their soon to come passing. So no wonder it's not used anymore.
Which seems pretty obvious, when has anyone had a "bargaining" phase in coping with the loss of a loved one? Who are they pleading with, Hades?
@@collin4555 well, like pleading with God to not let your child with cancer die or to bring them back somehow
@@collin4555 from my understanding it is dwelling on “what ifs” and “if onlys” questions
That context makes the stages make a lot more sense than the context of grieving does, at least to me. But in both cases, your feelings about this stuff are usually non-linear, and one stage doesn't have to stop before the next one starts, paradoxically.
I have never been dying (moreso than everyone else)/terminal, but it seems a lot like what I went through/am still going through after I got diagnosed with multiple sclerosis a few years back, so I'm sort of taking my cue from that experience.
I think it’s more so based on how the person grieves given the relationship and when it happens in your life.
Ex. My grandmother died when I was 16, and I was so easily angered that it took me almost a month to lessen it.
Compared to that of my grandfather, who died when I was 22 and I was more in the sadness and depression part of grieving.
So you could say people might have similar stages of how they handle grief, it isn’t the same way or in the 5 stages precisely.
I have no interest in funeral services or mortuary science, but I could listen to her talk forever.
*_SAAAAAME!!!_* Like honestly, of industries I follow, sciences that interest me, and careers or hobbies that I want to pursue by any stretch, her combination of those factors is pretty low on my priority list, I just found her through a Vsauce video about a week ago and the rest was history.
Same feeling here! What is going on?!
Sometimes I play her videos in the background during my daily tasks such as cleaning and cooking. Not always comprehending but getting
Serenaded.
Mortcian is the one profession I would never date, just couldn't deal with the thought of him touching dead bodies.
@@suzieq5259 He is probably happy about that. And yes, I do know someone who married someone who was going to mortician school. Imagine that. I also know a man who became a mortician later in life. Nice guy.
I’m in mortuary school now and my teachers are always like “This is the answer for the board exams, but THIS is actually what you do in real life.” CONSTANTLY!!!
The upcoming exam is stressful, outdated and confusing to students and teachers. The guidelines the NBFSE gives teachers is 75% irrelevant to everyday responsibilities as a FD. 😅
Signing an NDA after taking the exam is a little much. They shouldn’t recycle tests- it’s not like we’re taking the MCAT or bar exam... we just want to get out there and serve our families from our hearts!
Caitlyn, I'm curious as to what made you decide to become a mortician. Were you just a morbid child obsessed with death (like I was?💀) Or, did the idea simply fascinate you because you truly wanted to help people send their loved ones off into eternity? Perhaps it was neither and you had a completely different motive? If so, please share. (I am betting it's the first one! 😁)
I believe in her TED talk Caitlin said she was a "death obsessed" child. I remember when she spoke about it because I was a morbid kid too..so was my son, and now my lil 4 yr old grandson is too.
Jacee K There’s a TED Talk? Where would one search for that?
@@kckirkify
She has a couple of them here on YT. This is the one I watched:
ruclips.net/video/OKIyDMaxh4w/видео.html
@@stephaniebaker6001 This video should answer your question: ruclips.net/video/3-p9HRq_vtA/видео.html
“I know how to take a test.” Basically American education.
💯
...why I am homeschooling my kids
Even with online schooling, they just want you to remember things up until your test and then you can forget everything. The education now is more just remember for awhile and then the knowledge is useless after your tests. You don't have to actually learn anything.
I hear Japan gets that alot too.
Yup, my love of test taking made my GRE easy....as did my mass of knowledge
My feelings about this story are the same as my feelings about EVERY scandal I've ever heard: Who is putting ethically challenged narcissists in charge of stuff and how do we stop it?
RIGHT ON!
I think to some extent it might have to do with the kind of people we're socialized/instinctually inclined to put more trust into and make our leaders (I'm not sure if it's nature or nurture; I suspect nurture); we tend to choose confident, charismatic, usually relatively privileged people (because we're taught that people with privilege are the more rational, trustworthy, normal ones). Maybe those people (not just privileged but exhibiting extraordinary charisma and self-possession, or so it appears to outside observers) have an increased tendency to be narcissistic/dishonest and unethical?
I think it may also be a pitfall of hierarchical thinking and hierarchical power structures/leadership/governance models, too. One person or a few people in charge/at the top, with a relatively large amount of power, incentives to abuse it, and disincentives to self-regulate; and a lack of transparency and public oversight.
More power-sharing and communal-style democratic leadership, and collaboration with students or students' unions (and faculty and staff self-advocacy groups) might be a good thing, at least in the long run. In this case, we would also need to shift our thinking about a lot of things, especially standardized testing as a metric of overall ability to do something.
The answer is E. Capitalism... Decentralize and encourage competition. Do NOT give more power to the narcissists.
communism & totalitarian socialism killed 150,000,000 in the 1900s. That’s just their own citizens. Expand to foreign citizens, and it’s 300,000,000 killed in various wars
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“Thank you for coming to my TED talk”
Says the woman who has actually presented a TED talk. 😂
"E. Capitalism" is probably the funniest part in all of this.
I actually had a coffee spit take at that moment.
Funny because it's true
I got coffee in my sinuses when she said that, but it's so trye
It's like E.coli but even worse
I like how they dragged us Jews into it in order to disguise their intent to reinforce Christian supremacy. Even though there is zero similarity in our funerary rights and we have fundamentally incompatible conceptions of what happens after death.
Caitlin: Does the "Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk" meme
Also Caitlin: *Has actually done a Ted Talk*
Was looking for this comment or was gonna comment it as well🤪😉
Caitlin
Summer Russell Oh didn't know that! I changed it, thanks!
u know, she outchea
Yeah she did!
That “the religion of the United Stated is b a s i c a l l y_____” is a question I SWEAR was on my human geography AP exam and I had a similar response to it
woo!
🚨say🚨that🚨
It’s in every test. Is to make sure a robot isn’t completing the test
You do know the problem was that they lumped Jewish and Christian together, not the question in of itself.
@@Alex-cw3rz no it was definitely the question itself. The "judeo-christian" is the cherry on top. The question would have been just as stupid if they'd had "Jewish" and "Christian" as separate options.
I know someone who graduated from McAllister Institute a few years ago. She is one of those people who think "she did it first" because she is a "true goth and edgy pioneer" and used to speak wonders about the school, merely because of the status it supposedly gives (gave?) you.
After the scandal happened, she started being a lot less "braggy" about her credentials lol.
I graduated from the school as well, and I worked hard and did well. Not all of us are annoying edgelords, I promise 😊
I found it taped to the side of my fridge.
My life.
After all, my best life items are tacked to my refrigerator as well, isn't that where it goes, lol😂😂
Isn't that where our parents put our BEST works?? Makes complete sense to me...
@@wendybabendy exactly!
‘I found it taped to my fridge.’
Ah yes, the highest place of honor
Due to the machines importance!
Lmao
Me: Ah, this must be about the Brooklyn body snatcher.
Caitlin: Nah, but a key player was married to him.
"The poor defenseless exam" lol 😂😂 I love the editing
“Which I found taped to the side of my fridge” RELATABLE
My mon found mine folded in a stack of papers in the attic. 🤷♀️
I feel like most college honorary papers/degrees don’t count for much
I found my DBS stuck to the side of my fridge with a magnet 😂
buried in a bureau in my "junk room"
along with the rest of my junk
Mine was stored in chest and got water-damaged. My diploma was for accounting tho so not as cool.
Lol by BFA be like...
(Jk)
I literally snorted tea out of my nose at "E. Capitalism". I'll send you my hospital bill for my burnt nostrils.
honestly, you're 100% right on the whole test passing stuff! due to my heart condition I was only able to take 3 out of 8 of my GCSE's (english high school diplomas) and still got a great job, just by meeting them. test's are like the IQ test they are broad and a general idea. Definitely NOT a whole picture of a person's intelligence and overall work ethic.
GCSEs were shit, good on you for getting through them, even if you only got a few of em. I struggled with the damn things too, partially because exams suck, but mostly because I was too sick to be in school half the time. Anyway, it’s been two years, but if I ever have to look at a maths paper again, I might just jump out a window.
Ah yes, the national boards. I was so proud of myself for passing those. To be honest, I suck at tests, and got married the same semester I took those. So the fact that I could cram for 2 weeks and pass easily was a huge relief. Also, my school reimbursed you if you passed both sections on the first try. As a poor college student shelling out over $300 for the test, that was a pretty big incentive. But she is absolutely right about them, they are pretty much worthless. Practical application and state law were much better to learn, than some of the crap questions on that test. The worst part is some of the questions were labeled as pick the best answer. What a great way to inspire confidence in what you picked.
unsure if the "thanks for coming to my ted talk" meme is negated, or made infinitely funnier coming from someone who has actually delivered a ted talk, but personally im here for it
Caitlyn: "Just how deep does the scandal go?"
Me: "Six feet?"
LMAO
😂😂😂😂
i actually laughed out loud
@@user-vm2qo1uk5y my, what a nice colour you have!
Nice.
As a hospice nurse, I REALLY appreciate all of your videos. You’d be surprised what my patients & their families ask!
The national board exam for mortuary school sounds like they took the "No Child Left Behind" BS and ended up applying it to funeral directors too.
"Thank you for coming to my TED talk"
-Caitlin, who has done a TED talk
And a pretty awesome TED talk!!!
Retaking the exam is one thing. The second part is straight up extortion.
Yes. Either re-administer the exam on the state's dime or the school should be forced to pay the costs.
I'm not sure that it is extortion. It had to be based on if those students knew they were being fed the answers or not. If they did know, they were participating in the fraud, which does call for a penalty.
Well said.
@@cecilwine4806 That's just it, she said they weren't allowed to view the allegations before hand nor to mount any kind of defense. I would have gone to court over that, honestly.
Wow! You went to my sister school! It’s also the school my dad went to! I did a tour there for their medical certificate programs which is how I was introduced to morturary science. We got to tour the morgue and classrooms where we learned about body preparations and desairology. It was a great experience I learned so much from. Now, I feel so honored to have stepped foot in the place that helped you become who you are today!
LMAO I heard about this video and decided to wait to watch it because I went to McAllister from 2018-2020. Finally watching it in Feb. 2021 after passing my National Boards a couple months ago and I will vouch for everything Caitlin says here!
OK: who else saw the title and thought, *"Harvard has a MORTUARY SCHOOL?"*
They could have had Tom Lehrer lecturing on Morbid Humor...💀
Lucius1958, I think I hear strains of "We Will All Go Together When We Go" in the background . . . .
Lol that's exactly what I thought 😆
I totally missed the "of" part too lol
I think he's too busy being a math professor.
Yeah I missed the of part also
"Brooklyn Body Snatcher Mortician?" Tell me more...
Yeah, um. Is this a video that she's done? Cause if not, I'd be here for that story.
@@MamaFry its been addressed not certain it was Caitlin but I will find it.
Hi well maybe not but here's a decent length link
ruclips.net/video/CZpt7ahFct4/видео.html
She needs to get on this. My interest has been so peaked
And Reid Funeral Home in Dumfries, VA. The guy had a few funeral homes, one after another, he kept getting caught doing shady stuff. In VA, they found body parts, as he was selling them to "oddities and curiosities" markets. And he was giving people cardboard boxes of the ashes of their loved ones, as opposed to the urns that were ordered by the families. And and and...of course the ashes weren't even of who they said they were. He had no crematorium and knew no one with one. So, I don't know why the news didn't explain exactly wtf happened to ALL the bodies (that were allegedly cremated, of course.)
I trie to apply to that school for 2 years and when I finally got through that happened it came out in my newsfeed. I was over it. It never took me so long to get into a school first of secondly I feel like it was a sign from God. I would have been upset. Graduating and then BAM! License revoked 🤦🏽♀️
“The answers is E capitalism”, hahaha that’s a sub
As a nursing student that whole mindset of “I paid a lot of money to learn to take a test” is so frustrating for me. Glad to see I’m not alone in feeling like when they turn me loose I’m gonna panic
Rachel Ulbrich In 1992, my nursing instructor told us on the first day of class, “When you graduate, you will not be good nurses. You will be minimally competent to practice nursing.” So don’t panic. Good nurses take time, just like good wines do.
Rachel Ulbrich for the first few years, ask a lot of questions to more senior nurses... and just be a good human to patients. Often patients will appreciate someone being human and kind, and you don’t need any schooling for that!
Just wait until you encounter baby doctors.
They won't even start thinking about letting us practice without close adult supervision for _years_ after we graduate.
same with cosmetology i pay a lot of money to take a test to have me know nothing about the current trends
This is very similar to cosmetology. Not exactly. Just with the money thing
As someone who grew up in New York and aced every regents exam, then went on to nearly flunk out of college, and then eventually work in Education... Tests, more often than not, are not a valid way of accessing understanding of material. Tests are ways of accesses how well you take tests. You only get any meaningful data if you look at specific questions and can find patterns either in a specific student's answers, or the answers of the study body at large. Standardized tests, when reduced to a simple score, are a useless waste of time.
Also, wow, those sample questions. Just. Just *wow.*
Man fuck the regents. Also a new Yorker, also aced the regents, agreeing with everything here
The CFP Certified Financial Planner exam is JUST A TEST so you can put the initials after your name. The money you pay to test, and the money to buy the materials only goes towards private holders. It’s just a fake accreditation. Meaning, there is not guarantees made to clients of CFP accredited financial planners. My husband is a financial planner, but works with and for the advisors, not directly with clients. Basically he helps advisors choose the best industry products for the client. He’s studying to take the test and dude, it’s the most convoluted, twisted exam. Like Caitlin pointes about about the Nationals. Many of the questions have nothing to do with the technicality of IRA’s, Annuities, Money Market’s etc. but more or less brain teasers with missing information. Oh. And it’s times lol. I’m scared for him! He’s very smart, but he is discouraged to say the least. Sorry for the rant, stop typing if you don’t have anything nice to say. 😜
I spent a year going to massage school (which is a requirement for licensure in my state) and took my national boards. I aced them of course, but the interesting thing was while taking them I realized I could probably have easily passed without taking the required school hours. The hardest part of it were the A&P (Anatomy and Physiology) questions, and the only parts I missed were the utterly ridiculous and unscientific questions about acupressure and reflexology. (Seriously. I can refute all of them on scientific grounds with actual evidence. And curiously, you aren't required to get them right to pass the boards! But they're still in there.)
That said, the "continuing education" requirements to maintain my license in my state are egregious. The rules have clearly been written specifically to support massage schools and courses. 24 hours of Continuing Education Units must be completed _every 2 years,_ 8 of which must be "supervised instruction on massage skills" and 4 must be professional ethics and laws and regulations training. Every. Two. Years. There's a whole industry built around providing these CEUs, not just in my state but nationally. And most of them are complete and utter bullshit, and many of them are expensive. (A lot of them you can simply pay your fee and they'll send you documentation, whether you attend their classes or not!)
For that and various other reasons my license is no longer current. (I enjoy making a decent living and having benefits, which wasn't true when I was a full time therapist.)
Tests only access how well you jump through hoops.
Tests and evaluations ... "Experiment$" called $tudent$", bussed and rounded up to laboratory ware-hou$e$, are what we're funding !!! I am a 56 Year old Black, single Father, and sole Custodian. I have been raising my nearly 18 year old Daughter from birth. "Head-start", is where the tests began for her. I have used the internet for information and moderate transactions throughout her life-time. My Daughter has learned to take advantage, and interest of the internet. Education begins and flourishes in the home ... there is no education in the warehouse called school. There are only Teachers named "experience", who give the test first, then the lesson afterwards. The alternative is De'Voss' plan to de-fund public education, while monetizing and privatizing the US education system, just as current prisons and detention facilities are contracted through the US prison systems. Choose your own poison... or weapon.... VOTE RESPONSIBLY 2020
Even in the mid eighties in mortuary school we knew we were learning things simply because if the old-timers had to learn it, by God we had to learn it too!
Sounds like nothing's changed much in thirty five years!:-| 🖖
I am so happy for having captions in your videos. Keep slaying, queen!
"Also the answer is: E. Capitalism. You're the funeral industry, you know that." Darkest part of this whole video, somehow.
Why?
"I'll pay you to bury my relative in this way"
"Ok, I'll do it for this much"
"OK"
I dont get it?
KingLittle, the funeral industry (if you have a bad funeral director) is more like this:
“I’ll pay you to bury my relative this way”
“oh, but that’s a bit disrespectful to put them in the standard casket, wouldn’t you agree? I think you’d like your relative to have something a bit more.. comfortable”
“But I can only pay this much”
“Well it is *your* choice”
@@thedumbartist Correct, you'd be amazed how often that conversation happens in business.
@@lincolnduke - Upselling is a, dare I say necessary, part of almost every business. And it often presents beneficial options the customer might have otherwise overlooked.
But it somehow feels disingenuous to take advantage of emtionally distraught family members during a time of need, in order to make a few extra bucks. It is the fact that people are more easily manipulated during times of grieving that make this part of the process feel so sordid. And as Caitlin has pointed out in several other videos, many funeral homes present expensive options to their customer as the only option, not offering other cheaper available choices, which feels exploitative in nature.
@@waynefeller8824 It sounds like you've found a niche in the market, this is an opportunity you should seize.
The fact that the question was worded as "is basically" just bothers me. It reminds me of how my classmates would half-ass word their Kahoot questions.
Wtf is a Kahoot question...?
@@JC021963 google
More disturbing is the fact that the answers are all wrong. The US has no state prescribed religion.
Add E but America is majority Christian. Why is that so offensive? If you were to ask that question in Palestine or Iran the answer would be different. So what? Would you take offense to a majority Muslim country? I dare say not. Is that what it means to be woke?
Add E and yet it was founded and built on Christian principles
Love it! In many health professions, study guides are available that include sample test questions, supposedly not “actual” questions. But how many variations are possible on formulas and the like? Methinks there was more to this than test scores. I’ve served on Joint Review Committees. Humble me, out!
Caitlin, your are so hilarious while educating us, I love your sense of humor and your delivery, thank you for being a smart, humorous and gorgeous breath of fresh air.
Training, training, training!!
I work as an EKG and monitor technician on a cardiac unit. I passed my classes and aced my test. Was I ready to watch and analyze the heart rhythms of our patients? Uh, no. What I WAS ready for was an intensive training program that would not let me loose until I knew what the heck I was doing. And even then, the training wheels stayed put until I felt secure enough to ride the bike.
Test? Schmest, I say.
I, too, was trained to be a test taker. I knew the answers to 3 of the 4 questions you read... now I'm wondering if I could pass the test with absolutely no mortuary training. I feel like that devalues the hard work of those in the funeral industry, and I hate that.
Worked as a taxidermist, meat processor, and in a crematorium. Knew enough about A and P due to those that I dissected the pigs, and our friendly neighborhood cadavers, Manny and Anny while my teacher talked about what I was doing. My professor thought I was kidding... She learned I had a steady scalpel hand. I even found the blood clot that we think ended poor Manny (pulmonary embolism). Yay reading Mom's nursing books for fun and because I had nothing to read between Harry Potter books coming out. XD Childhood boredom can lead you on some pretty awesome adventures.
Also my school was one of those this is how you take a test schools. Which helped me get that crematorium job.
Can I just say thank you for making all of these videos and having this channel? I love you and your content, and I have a strong interest in going back to school to get into funeral services after having a few rough years and finally starting to get back on my feet...I'm mostly just rambling now haha but again thanks for being yourself and making all this awesome content! 🖤💚
I love you!!! Your sarcasm, your wit, you had me at” found taped to my refrigerator “!!
Caitlin: has actually done a Ted Talk
Also Caitlin, in her living room spilling tea: "thank you for coming to my Ted Talk"
I’m currently on the path to becoming a mortician and I have a dream that my funeral home will be focused around, not just the care of the deceased, but the care of the family as well. I want to be able to hold group therapies and I want counselors on hand. I don’t just want to be a funeral home. I want to be a place people go when they need help with their grieving or just overall mental health. I want to help people. Not just burry their dead and leave them
Justine Robinson that sounds wonderful.
This sounds grest. Personally I found the funeral directors a breath of fresh air when our son died. No tiptoeing around, made jokes with us (eg, this is the casket on offer for babies, some people think it looks like a picnic hamper, so we have alternatives') in the midst of the horror it was so nice to speak with someone normal iyswim
Please try hard to hold onto those ideals and goals.
Don't let it make you jaded. We need more like you!
Best of luck and a wonderful future to you! Cheers~
Good funeral homes have always been like that. They help the family as much as possible.
I'm not paying for all that!
You are so delightfully funny when dealing with a subject everyone is afraid to face and discuss. It is wonderful to be able to learn about this subject and do it in a positive, loving and informative way. Many thanks for your efforts to bring us out of the dark ages on funerals.
This brings back flash backs, sleepless nights and emotional trauma I still have not recovered from, 6 years later. The test is worded so weird.
-UCO mortuary school grad with Mortuary Bachelor degree.
I’ve long had problems with how education leans so heavily on testing.
I went to a school that bragged excellence in test scores, but all I was taught was to memorize without questioning and tips on scoring better. It wasn’t until I graduated that I found out how much I love to learn and follow my curiosities.
I think education should be focused on the joy of learning and all the cool things in the world.
Edd VCR Being “educated” is quite like teaching a dog to sit, roll-over etc. I was not a grammar whiz, yet my other studies didn’t apply to what was being taught. I am a polymath with decades of curious meandering paths. What may seem like a singular study often unfolds into other areas of interest. Didn’t go to college so I didn’t burn out or stress out...I am on my own path hopefully others will find their own nest.
@Edd VCR - As a former teacher, the feeling I got that moment when I saw the light go on in somebody's eyes when they "got it" was incredible. I'll never understand the perverse joy some "teachers" take in stamping out the light.
Well, 'cheating' is an anagram of 'teaching', so they're easily confused.
Clever! Lol
Very good observation. You’ll be quoted everywhere.
When the trial was over, Meg was.....Dunn?
So happy I found this channel, I start school for funeral directory this fall and this channel is making me even more interested in the subject.
I've never believed in "teaching to the test." Teach to make sure your students understand the material. If they do, they'll pass.
That's the key: understanding, not rote memorization. That, unfortunately, has gotten lost somewhere along the way.
Agreed. Where I work different people test the children every month and the score are then overviewed by the head teacher. Trends and retained knowledge are notes.
I don't think you know what "teaching to the test" means. Were the example questions Caitlyn read relevant to what an FD need to know? Not at all. If an instructor taught ONLY the stuff FDs need to know, then the students wouldn't know about the third step of an old grieving processs or the parts of a casket. "Teaching to the test" is teaching students the things that will be on a test regardless of how irrelevant those things may be.
Yes and no. I've seen and taken a LOT of tech industry tests that obsess over things one will NEVER see in real life, and completely disregard things commonly found. Ideally, yes, if one had full knowledge of the subject both sorts of questions should be answerable... but when dealing with a system constructed by thousands of individuals over years (perhaps decades) of time who had little interaction with each other, *nobody* has the capability to have full knowledge of the thing. And it's only getting worse every day.
This is just one example, perhaps albeit an extreme one. It's why I'm a big proponent of apprenticeships vs. classes for most working professions.
I went to an art school through high school and they generally followed the rule of understanding over memorization. Most tests, you were allowed to use your notes or textbook. They cared more about knowing how/when to use the information over memorizing it. Took a lot of the pressure of tests off. Of course, every once in a while, you’d get that asshole teacher who wants to know you hang on every word they say and don’t follow that format. I suppose it’s good to have experience with both.
In Australia they now have the Naplan tests in schools. A standardized test that is meant to give an idea of how well a school is going. But its come under fire on several fronts. The inequality between rich and poor schools and socioeconomic status and also because teachers are more focused or maybe put under pressure to teach kids for the test rather than the actual curriculum. Hmmmm. I may have left school a long time ago but it seems to me that if the teacher does the job they're hired to do, students with learning difficulty get the help they need to translate what they know to how the test records it, then shouldn't that suffice? When I went through school the only tests that gave an indicator of knowledge were the final exams in year 10/4th form and year 12/6th form. Everyone in the state got the exact same test and the stress of these exams were they could determine if you got into college/university. Although that was more the year 12 one.
But enough importance was put on both to my memory, that you actually undertook a school set exam as a trial. It's one thing sitting tests in class, but this was every student in your year in the school auditorium/hall.
0:46 she doesn't age, get the holy water and a rosewood spike.
Lol!!!
Such is the case with...
VAMPIRES.
No, no, no. Get the gin and tonic, and 10cc. The band, not illicit drugs.
@@etheroar6312 You may want to look up what 10cc means in the context of the Band 10cc. Not what you think.
I suggest a holy water haul.
Hi Caitlin! I’m not a mortician or work in the industry, but somehow your channel found me. Your videos are informative, and I love how witty you are!! There are so many things I didn’t know. Thank you for sharing your knowledge 👍🏻😄
I was literally just crying over life in general, put on your video and couldn’t resist smiling and laughing because of your bright demeanor and hilarious timing. Your genuine interest in your topics and values truly comes across ❤️
usa: freedom!!! separation of church and state!!!! democracy!!!!!
also usa: Our Religion Is Christianity :)
* Basically Christianity, which I find even more funny x)
Also 90 %of their politicians : "and I thank God for winning me the election"
It's true. And
US: "ban the Muslims cause they'll force religious laws!"
Also US: "okay but Christian Bible says man and woman, so we're gonna ban gay"
Also “Judeochristian” doesn’t exist! You can’t just murder us for centuries then expect us to be your bootlickers Christianity! Us jews do our own thing and we have our own beliefs that have little to do with yours
Carl Lennen Jew here, we don’t share traditions or rituals with Christians. We don’t even share the same understanding of Gd so let us out from under the “judeochristian” boot and we’ll take our Muslim, Hindi, Sikh, Buddhist, and atheist cousins with us. Also you can’t murder us for centuries for not believing in your religion then say we’re the same- it doesn’t work like that fuck off
With that title how could I *not* click instantly?!? I'm curious how they decided which students deserved to be penalized? Did she only email certain students she thought might fail, or did these emails go out to everyone?? In that case, shouldn't all or none of those students be punished?
Seems like everyone got the email, it is Harvard so maybe with their history of discrimination against Asian students maybe everyone didn't receive the answers.
She said several had to pay fines and the worst offenders had 5 year license suspensions.
@@shondawarren3673 It's not actually Harvard
The emails were sent to everyone who completed their last semester. The students had no say in the matter. It was part of our mandatory review session that went on for a week after the finals in our last semester. If we didnt attend and submit to at the very least being in the email chain (we were students with them for two years, they had our email addresses as of day one) than they would give us an incomplete in anatomy and not release us to sit for our boards. So, in essence, we had our grades held hostage in order to get us to attend this review.
It's not actually Harvard to the one commenter who thought it was. Not even close. It's like 4 rooms of an office building all the way on the west side of Manhattan with no windows in any of the class rooms run by megalomaniac psychos who think they're all super important. So they're not racist against Asians. Or anyone. I hate the place, but I'll give them that. Not racist.
I had my test scores invalidated. But there was a lawsuit brought to the NYS Board of Health Bureau of Funeral Directing by the NYSFDA and I never had to retest nor lost my license. Their lawyers sited lack of due process as we were not shown the incriminating evidence against us on an individual level. The people on the especially bad list who had to pay the $500, etc. as mentioned in the video had responded to the emails and provided questions and answers to Dunn after the review session concluded and they had sat for the test. The rest of us were just guilty of having received unsolicited emails from a woman we hated. That's the difference. Active participation in providing her with these That's So Raven "visions" or just kinda cringing through it to get your anatomy grade and be given clearance to take the boards.
I just rediscovered your channel and started binge watching. I really love your videos even tho I get actual nightmares from it like tonight 😅
Congrats on a million subs, well done and very educational!
This Brookline body snatching scandal sounds like a great topic for an episode. Great job.
@Ric Goesinya Can we get an amen, Deathlings?
Amen Amen Amen! Great idea 🤔
I graduated from AAMI in 2003. I know Meg Dunn . She was also my Anatomy Teacher . It was one of my favorite classes beside Pathology and Microbiology. One of the other teachers let me do my residency at their funeral home. I worked my ass off and deserved my high grades with the National Board and State exam. I guess I got lucky with my class...we didnt have to retake anything. I always thought that most of the questions on the National exam were ridiculous. All the chemicals are mixed already and I was never asked about the stages of grief LOL
Love your honesty. Thanks for being so clear and highlighting things. Like your books go a long way of opening the "institution of death" up.
I’m going to mortuary school, and would love to hear what you have to say about the boards, the conference, the schools and their cultures in general. Thank you for uploading it makes my day every time I see another Ask A Mortician video ❤
"I remember why I was so mad a lot of the time in mortuary school."
Same.
Except replace mortuary school with like, life.
The answer is E. Capitalism.....BIG FACTS. Caitlin, I did not know it was possible to love you more but here we are
Accurate.
Caitlin/Bernie 2020
Hi. Love you and your videos. Thanks and keep them coming. Very interesting.
I REALLY LOVE YOUR BANGS OMFG!
First time on your channel, just subscribed!
“god forbid I should tell you a story without giving my opinion first” I feel called out
Lol... ditto.
"First born of the house of cheating." perhaps i wheezed way too hard my head hurts from laughing 😂
Happy National Funeral Director and Mortician Recognition Day! Love your videos and books!
Thank you for this video ! 😊💐
Was ANY of the testing aimed at, uh you know, psychology of grief? Cuz my few interactions with morticians left me feeling like I had just discussed a terrible tragedy with the weird kid from fifth grade who later got committed.
Ha. Omg you shoulda seen the psychology "teacher" neither a psychologist nor a teacher. Just a cruddy, burned out, mean spirited funeral director who hated students and needed up retire 15 years earlier than she did. So, technically yes. But nobody learned anything in that class other than that she's gonna yell at you for talking, even when you're not. Especially when you're not, some might say. It was bad.
“First Born of the House of Cheating: Giver of Questions” I snorted! 😂
Lol I know right.. so funny
Love your videos!! I am learning so much! Thank you!
Every time I watch your videos I get lost in the wondrously expressive face of yours... so animated and pleasing and entertaining
The nursing boards are the same way. Everything from my “highly accredited” program was about passing the NCLEX. The actual hands-on parts were so lacking, imo.
@PurpleMask131 - The nursing boards concentrate on problem-solving, not so much on fact regurgitation. When you have a multiple choice question where every answer is correct, but you must analyze which answer is the MOST correct for the scenario presented, you have to understand concepts, not just know facts. Once you are a graduate, you are on the bottom rung of your career ladder. THAT'S when your significant hands-on education begins. I always advise new graduates to get in some medical-surgical experience in a hospital with a GREAT in-service department. That's the foundation for ANYTHING you will want to do in the future. (And never cut corners in your physical assessment of each client. Some nurses think that once they graduate, they never have to do full assessments again. Huge mistake.)
I’ve experienced the same thing in my program at school, along with the fact they make you take so many different subjects you will not be pursuing further just because they want you to have an integrated education when all it really does is leave you a master of nothing, much less the field you will be trying to enter. If college is about education but you don’t get any actual hands on learning or experience while you’re there what is actually the point of it? No one really wants to hire someone that has no tangible experience because then they’re stuck training someone they need to perform the job, I’m not going into nursing, but one of my professors that works in the field I’ve been pursuing straight up told me this.
@@MossyMozart I trained as an lpn for the army. My first out of school hands on experience was a forward surgical team that trained for 2 weeks at Ryder trauma center in Miami and then we went to afghanistan. I actually really like trauma care. After the fst I was basically handling maintenance logistics at the unit for 2 years. When I finally went to work at a hospital for the army on a medical surgical floor....let's just say I jumped ship as soon the opportunity presented itself, and I'd rather slit my own throat than to ever return to the nursing profession unless I had to keep my family from starving and had zero options. Med surg made me hate nursing.
Same with the bar for law students. It's totally performative, no practical use, and doing well on it has no correlation to successful law practice.
Let's add the entire IT if not computer industry. For the time I taught, it was entirely teach to the multiple choice exam to the point that students didn't care about the lab part. I had top scoring students who, when forced to, couldn't even get LOGGED IN!!!
Super fancy piece of paper: REQUIRED.
Caitlin: O, that's been taped to my fridge for years lulz
Never stop shading the good ol' boys in the death industry, Caitlin! You rock.
Ruby Dynamite i think it’s hilarious she didn’t even think she had it... then realized it was taped to an appliance that is likely used multiple times a day when she’s home 😆
@@peggyt5409 but how often does one interact with the _side_ of their fridge?
My dad nearly passed out when I found my masters degree certificate being used as a backing to a photograph in a frame. 🤷♀️ it's just a piece of paper,the knowledge is the important thing.
This is WILD. I'm a student of AAMI and about to graduate, and have had Meg as an instructor for multiple classes over the last two years. I had no idea!
I stumbled upon your channel and I'm hooked!
You’ll never know how much your intelligence, integrity, humor, & feminist-y snark are appreciated, Caitlin!
(Caitlin for POTUS . . . some day!)
You are literally the queen of not aging HOW
She might be undead, it would explain why she is so caring and understanding dealing with death and grief...
She is like the female Keanu reeves
It’s all in the bangs . . . 😉
She bathes in the blood of all those bodies
Eating meat harms your body so you age faster. She's vegetarian so that helps her. And if you go full plant-based you stay looking and feeling young for a LOOOOOOONG time. :)
The science explained!
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The outtakes at the end were wonderful. Thank you.
Real Estate schools have a similar setup. They teach you to pass the state exam and then anything actually useful comes either in follow up training or on the job work. Also, at least in my experience, there is often a chapter or two geared toward teaching enough to interest people in the school's other offerings that aren't truly relevant (ie appraiser licensing in an RE course).
“The answer is E. Capitalism, your the funeral industry, you know that” well, new to your videos, but I love it already
... and organized sports.
I very much agree with what you’ve said about tests. I was homeschooled my whole life (which was actually a lovely experience) my Mom was an exceedingly capable teacher and three of my siblings got full or large grants to college, but I struggled. I have a learning disability called Discalculia and also suspected ADHD. I always have to learn “outside the box”. And despite knowing I can keep up with my siblings, traditional testing has always waved over me like a tsunami. Schools need to find better ways to track progress or measure intelligence, especially when it comes to entrance exams. Every mind is unique and should have equal chances despite how they think.
I've never heard of dyscalculia o-o but now I may know why I've had so much trouble with math and number related situations.. Why don't Doctors or Teachers know about these things >A
I also have discalculia and math during the whole highschool was a terrible and traumatic experience for me. I had my brother in law to help me every weekend to check the new content given and practice with me a lot. For every test I was paranoid, vomited and had colitis from the fear of facing the test. On the practices I was good, slow but good, but tests paralyzed me. My career choices are limited due this, even calculate some basic things are hard. Regardless of my high scores in other subjects, my math teacher loved to humiliate the students who struggled with math.
I feel ya
Oh hey, I have dyscalculia and ADHD too. I was eligible for academic accommodations including 15% extended test-taking time all throughout high school and college because testing is designed to be so cookie-cutter for neurotypical people in the US. There's no one-size-fits-all approach to learning and I wish more instructors understood that when designing tests.
@@protonmonkey heeey fella!! You were lucky, my teacher just said "go sit and think a little bit more"..."why you don't get it? Is soooo simple" and I replied so many times "I understand the logic behind it, i just don't know why following your instructions, I'm not able to get the same results." Making the same equations over and over in front of him. The mutherf*cker could see that I was repeating numbers, or misplacing symbols and never said a thing. He rather to brush off any student and sit on his desk looking important. Ohh that lovely piece of creature....
a lot of math teachers kind of get this superiority complex when it comes to math, or they just get ugly frustrated with students that struggle. But I'd rather excel in literacy and have the capacity to compose eloquent memos, or draft complex novels of information, than have little to no grammar proficiency.
One of the best things on RUclips Go Caitlin! Love your work.
I started working in the funeral industry not a long time ago (as a family counselor) and while I always watched your videos religiously, I have a whole new understanding and renewed love for your videos about the "business" side of things.
"...Brooklyn Body Snatching Mortician"
wait WHAT
WE NEED TO HEAR THAT STORY!
Yes, can we please get a video on this?
Short form: at least 4 men, including Nicelli, harvested organs from the deceased by forging donor forms and death certificates (so they could hide the age of the victims and any diseases they may have had) and sold them to tissue suppliers for up to $1,000 per sample. Some victim corpses were exhumed and their bones were found to have been removed and replaced with PVC plumbing pipe.
They made over $2,000,000 dollars, meaning over 2,000 corpses were thus violated.
@@subtlewhatssubtle HOLY SHIT
aka BBSM
Best way to start a Saturday, coffee and morticians 💜😊
I didn’t know you went to Cypress! I’m enrolling for next upcoming fall! You inspired me to work within the funeral field :)
"Examination Defense Fund" aka, Mafia protection money.